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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealands, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number two one five for Monday,

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Speaker 2: the sixth of October.

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Speaker 3: We got through all our subjects today we did. I

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Speaker 3: would have to say that the limbs.

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Speaker 2: One was quite confronting hearing about people that have lost

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Speaker 2: their limbs because one and eighteen people, as you will

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Speaker 2: find out, I've lost limbs in the last year in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, which is oh, that's carnage, isn't it. Missing limbs.

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Speaker 2: So some heroic stories about how people have continued on

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Speaker 2: with a missing limb. But yeah, and then now we

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Speaker 2: got Winston Peter's on the Shark.

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Speaker 3: Great chat with Winnie p Yeah, he ran through.

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Speaker 2: And had a bit of a chat, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it was interesting when you talk to Winston Peter's been

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Speaker 2: to beat him a few times and it can go

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Speaker 2: one of two ways, because he's got very little time

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Speaker 2: for the media.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree, So he's always looking to rip

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Speaker 3: you a new one. Yep, yep. It always goes very feisty, yeah,

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Speaker 3: or very diplomatic. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he was about to rip us a new one,

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Speaker 2: but he couldn't really find a reason.

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Speaker 3: It got pretty close. Yeah, yeah, but loved it. It

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Speaker 3: was good, It was fantastic. It was fantastic yet great show. Download,

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said, be we'll get eight of you. Welcome into

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Speaker 3: Monday's show. Have you had a fantastic week in what

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Speaker 3: have you ended up doing? But really really good to

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Speaker 3: have your a company as always?

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Speaker 2: Hey you, Matt, Yeah, Hello Tyler, Hello you great New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Where you're tuning in from. I always listened to this

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Speaker 2: podcast recently by this guy called Chris Williamson, his podcast

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Speaker 2: called Modern Wisdom.

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Speaker 3: You've listened to that, Tyler, No, I haven't, but I'm

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Speaker 3: aware of it, The Modern Wisdom podcast. It's really good.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, on it, he was talking about how time

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Speaker 2: seems to fly by, and it was talking about how

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Speaker 2: our brain doesn't register thing that we do over and

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Speaker 2: over again. That's why if you drive the same route

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Speaker 2: to work every day. You won't remember it, but you

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Speaker 2: because it was completely new, so your brain decided to

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Speaker 2: register it. Your brain doesn't want to waste energy on

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Speaker 2: registering things that it does a lot makes sense. It

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Speaker 2: And so the best way to fight that feeling that

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Speaker 2: life was going past really quickly is to do a

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Speaker 2: lot of different things, a lot of different things. That's

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Speaker 2: why you remember a lot of details from a holiday

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Speaker 2: when you're in a different place compared to a.

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Speaker 3: Similar week at home.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So over the weekend, I decided that I was

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Speaker 2: and extend my weekends. And I succeeded thoroughly. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: I'll say Friday night, went to a friend's birthday party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're weakening in like that because you just you

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Speaker 3: to be pretty dramatic. So negotiations between Dame Nolene Total

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Speaker 3: So nothing appears to have happened in that ten hour

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Speaker 2: How do you shorten It's quite hard sentence to say,

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Speaker 2: I've got so much meetings. Look at my calendar, so

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Speaker 2: many meetings. Are they actually getting anything done? Because don't

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Speaker 2: meetings create things to do? So if you're aways in meetings,

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Speaker 2: you never get anything done. Obviously, a ten hour meeting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a crazy long time for meeting. Ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: But I'd argue anything more than ten minutes should be

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Speaker 3: I agree. I mean you're going to have specific KPIs

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Speaker 3: just an email, right, Yeah, you know exactly are you

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Speaker 2: And Tyler and I were talking about this before with

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd o waste the time, all right? Meetings after

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Speaker 3: Yep, that is after two o'clock. But right now, let's

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Speaker 3: have a chat about protesting outside somebody's home. So on Friday,

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Speaker 3: We're banging drums, waving flags and demanding action in this

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Speaker 2: Crazy to go around to a man's family home and

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't we all shouldn't we all be able

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is the idea in this case, and

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Speaker 3: That'd be for a good afternoons you is it ever

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Speaker 3: that number, Jerry. Welcome to the.

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Speaker 5: Showy afternoon, gentlemen. I've listened to you for quite some time,

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Speaker 5: and this is my very first call to you.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that. Thank you so much for ringing in, Jerry,

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Speaker 2: ring any time. I wait under to eighty ten eighties

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Speaker 5: So, first of all, just to Tyler, Tyler, is there

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Speaker 5: any chance that you're related to Steven Adams.

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Speaker 3: No, sadly, I wish I was, because he's a talented

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Speaker 3: man and I love basketball. But no, there is no

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Speaker 3: looking at just basically his size, Jerry, I'm going to say, yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: if you saw me, Jerry, You'll be like, no way,

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Speaker 3: there's no lineage there at all.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I won't I won't you ask you go.

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Speaker 3: Me as Adams? Maybe who going me as Adams? I

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Speaker 3: the Adams family. It doesn't matter anyway, socky Jerry.

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Speaker 5: So on the politicians, I've always thought that a person's

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Speaker 5: home is their castle, and that would include politicians. So

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Speaker 5: you know when you sort of get around people's homes

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Speaker 5: can tell you that about forty years ago, when I

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Speaker 5: I would you know, as a Christian, I would have

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Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: Couple of ticks here and totally unaccepted to protest outside

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But what do you say O eight one hundred

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Speaker 2: This person says, didn't a guy protest outside just into

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and I, Tyler, we don't do a

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Speaker 2: But I would defend to the death the right of

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Speaker 3: Machine and come on through, Come on through. That's a

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Speaker 3: It is twenty three past one, back in a mow.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the make asking breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Time, mister Willison. This open letter you tried on with

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Speaker 7: Fipkins and he said what he said, were you genuine?

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Speaker 9: If you go back and look in the house in

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Speaker 7: But the problem is they've got you by the short

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Speaker 7: am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Land Drover, Defend

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Speaker 3: Z B Afternoon to you. So, should politicians homes or

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Speaker 2: What have we ever got without making a noise? But

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Speaker 2: no one's saying that you can't make a noise?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 3: The question is can you get out.

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Speaker 2: Of megaphone and stand in front of a politician's house

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Speaker 3: Because to me, that starts to verge on intimidation rather

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would say that protesters in our country

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: How are you.

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Speaker 10: I'm really well today, thank you, and how are you?

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Speaker 3: Amazing?

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Speaker 3: So thoughts on your thoughts on the protesters conversation Killer.

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Speaker 12: I think it's a disgrace. I think these people are

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Speaker 12: I hope they all got carted away and put in

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Speaker 10: I've been here twenty eight years and it seems to

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Speaker 12: That this is all happening.

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Speaker 10: And I look at the people that are doing this,

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Speaker 12: Majority, I feel the majority, and I'm definitely open to correction.

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Speaker 10: We're all visitors here.

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Speaker 12: We've been invited here as immigrants to come to this country,

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Speaker 10: And I think the countries that a lot of people

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Speaker 12: And they've come here as guests of New Zealand. So

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Speaker 2: You say Winston is a gentleman, Abigail, but he is

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Speaker 11: No, no, I don't.

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Speaker 12: I think he says the right things, and many other

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Speaker 3: allow people to vote. And you mentioned there in other

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Speaker 3: countries that'll be locked up, and we never ever want

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Speaker 3: to get to that situation. The idea, and mister Peters

442
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Speaker 3: said that in his tweet, the idea that we've got

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Speaker 3: one of the freest democracies in the world is a

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Speaker 3: wonderful thing and we've got to protect that with everything.

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Speaker 3: But there is that balance there, and this is what

446
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Speaker 3: it's a great conversation, is the legislation if it goes

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Speaker 3: through that you can't protest outside people's homes. But there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of gray hereat there, right, because then you

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Speaker 3: start talking about should you should you shut down a

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Speaker 3: busy busy motorway or the Auckland, harbor Bridge, And I

451
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Speaker 3: think that's a have a question to answer for me.

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Speaker 3: It annoys the hell out of me when that happens.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but it annoys the hell out of me too.

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Speaker 2: But there's still that right to protest, and don't we

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Speaker 2: have to be concerned, Abigail, that that democracy is somehow

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Speaker 2: the right to protest is a huge part of democracy.

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Speaker 2: So do we have to be very careful every time

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Speaker 2: we restrict that?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Why don't we create a sort box somewhere in each

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Speaker 10: city and it can be like a town crier and

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Speaker 10: here you here ring the bell and they can get

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Speaker 10: up on their box and say whatever they want.

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Speaker 2: I know where that wouldn't work, Abergail, because people would

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Speaker 2: go there to protest, and then they would feel like

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't weren't getting heard, and so then they'd start

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Speaker 2: looking for places because part of protesting is to interrupt

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Speaker 2: people and to disrupt, to disrupt, So if you had

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Speaker 2: a special protesting like a sealed off protesting area inside

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Speaker 2: a soundproof booth, maybe, and then then it would wouldn't

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Speaker 2: do the job they want. But hey, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for you call, Abergail, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, call. OH one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call. Love to hear your thoughts

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Speaker 3: about protesting outside of a politician's home. Nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: two is the text number as well. Just ignore them.

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Speaker 2: People have a right to protest in public spaces. If

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Speaker 2: they're on a sidewalk outside of someone's house, it should

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Speaker 2: not matter. I mean that that's where it gets a

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Speaker 2: bit squirrelly, doesn't it, because the street is a public place,

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Speaker 2: but the person's house, it's it is. It's difficult. It

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Speaker 2: just I can see the division though. I can see

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Speaker 2: the two things. You're protesting public and then you're protesting

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Speaker 2: targeted at an individual individual in their home. It's just

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Speaker 2: a bit different from protesting.

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Speaker 3: I Agreeeel, that's the line crossed. It's the targeting of

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Speaker 3: the person in their safe space. Yah, but what you say?

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Speaker 3: Nine two the text number. OH, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. And just a

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Speaker 3: heads up, we're hoping to speak to Winston Peters himself

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Speaker 3: before two o'clock, so Headlines with Railing coming up. Then

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Speaker 3: we've taken more of your calls.

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Speaker 14: Us talks at the Headlines with Blue Bubble taxis. It's

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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. Polis say. A person's

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Speaker 14: been taken into custody at the scene of a standoff

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Speaker 14: with an alleged gunman in Auckland after a police officer

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Speaker 14: was shot and injured. Inspector Danny Mead says distraction techniques

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Speaker 14: were used, with the reporter at the scene hearing several

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Speaker 14: loud bangs and smelling gas. The shot officer has now

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Speaker 14: been discharged from hospital. The government's paying Samoas six million

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Speaker 14: dollars after the sinking of h Mens s Mano Nui

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Speaker 14: off its coast. It's been a somber beginning to the

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Speaker 14: FACADI White Island Coronial inquest.

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Speaker 7: In Auckland.

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Speaker 14: The Coroner's tasked with establishing the circumstances of twenty one

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Speaker 14: deaths caused by the twenty nineteen eruption, per forming recommendations

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Speaker 14: to prevent a similar incident from occurring. Half New Zealands

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Speaker 14: confirmed our total measles cases have risen to eleven, with

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Speaker 14: a tenth case detected. In Northland, a sudden blizzard has

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Speaker 14: trapped about six hundred climbers on Mount Everest, hundreds of

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Speaker 14: villages and rescue teams are trying to move Snow why

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Speaker 14: Bernard peaks at this time of year and how to

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Speaker 14: overcome it to make it through to the holidays. You

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Speaker 14: can see more at Ins and Herald Premium. Back now

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Speaker 14: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Rayleen, and we have been discussing

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Speaker 3: protesting outside of somebody's personal residents. So on Friday around

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Speaker 3: thirty protests, we're outside Foreign Minister Winston Peter's home banging drums,

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Speaker 3: waving flags and demanding action over the situation in Gaza

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Speaker 3: and the aid flowed Tiller. He has called those actions

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Speaker 3: disgraceful and that politicians family and private home should be

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Speaker 3: off limits. This text to disagree, saying.

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Speaker 2: We should be allowed to air our grievances to our government,

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Speaker 2: even if that means going to their house. Well, this businesses.

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Speaker 2: I worked at the Ministry of Social Development call center

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Speaker 2: and someone found my personal phone number and they were

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Speaker 2: sending me abusive text and this felt like a huge

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Speaker 2: invasion of privacy. Imagine if they found my address. It's

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Speaker 2: crazy out there these days, guys.

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Speaker 3: That is terrifying. And that's a part of it, writer,

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Speaker 3: is I don't know how many people know where Winston

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Speaker 3: Peters lives clearly enough. But that do scene of that

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Speaker 3: information and then using it, in my view to effectively

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Speaker 3: intimidate and cause some level of you know, the fearing

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Speaker 3: for the safety, I think is just that step too

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Speaker 3: far the success.

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Speaker 2: So the processes have given out Winston's adress and called

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Speaker 2: for people to come to his home. Imagine if the

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Speaker 2: sheer was in the other foot, for example, Trump boys

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Speaker 2: turned up and protested out a front of the other

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Speaker 2: side houses. Yeah, I mean that would boy, oh boy,

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Speaker 2: that would kick off.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure we'd be hearing about that. Marty,

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Speaker 3: welcome the show.

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Speaker 8: Oh, thank you very much. Thanks guys. And I had

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Speaker 8: the privilege about one thousand years ago. I'm sixty four

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Speaker 8: working for a minister just at the time, and I

548
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Speaker 8: was in Parliament and they were debating and arguing and

549
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Speaker 8: doing what they do best, and somebody started talking about

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Speaker 8: children of MPs and their mums or their wives, and

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Speaker 8: Winston stood up and said, let's leave family out of this.

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Speaker 8: And I remember those words. I thought, how I'm not

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Speaker 8: saying I'm with them, or I thought, how proud I

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Speaker 8: was of him. Let's leap family out of this. And

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Speaker 8: it's just an extension. That house could have children in it.

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Speaker 8: You know that tubing, it's and I used to be

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Speaker 8: a protester eighty two Spring Bok tour that tubling, but

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Speaker 8: you don't go here. That's family.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, is that the crux of it for you, Marty?

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Speaker 3: That when you have individuals like family members or a

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Speaker 3: wife or children who have nothing to do with policies

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Speaker 3: being considered by a politician, that's where the line has

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Speaker 3: been crossed. That you are now effectively intimidating or potentially

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Speaker 3: scaring people who have no say in those things that

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Speaker 3: are being protested about.

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Speaker 8: Exactly. It could be a wife, a mom with two

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Speaker 8: little kids going to school and daddy happens to be

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Speaker 8: an MP. What would a five or eight year old

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Speaker 8: child know about that? And then to bring it to there?

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Speaker 8: I mean that's slow.

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Speaker 3: So where do you think protests should take place, Mardy?

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Speaker 8: Long? In front of people's personal houses? Know, whether you

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Speaker 8: like the MP, your luck and whatever, that should be

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Speaker 8: their private ground.

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Speaker 2: But what if you think that, Mardi, What if you

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Speaker 2: think that the cause is just so existentially important and

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Speaker 2: you feel like you're not getting heard, then you know,

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Speaker 2: where do you go from that?

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Speaker 3: Point well to go on to.

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Speaker 8: Say, to go close to harassing somebody's home, No, I

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Speaker 8: don't believe any courses speaking enough for that. Maybe annoys

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Speaker 8: the one that way to work annoys them in the

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Speaker 8: officers in parliament, but no, not their home, especially if

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Speaker 8: they've got children or what. No, and involved in spring

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Speaker 8: Web two demos would not dream of that. Thet us

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Speaker 8: your home. You've got a families here, yes, thank you. Children.

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Speaker 8: Children can't be blamed the dead or mum's job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 2: If Winston wasn't so totally gutless, there would have been

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Speaker 2: no reason to protest outside his house. You reap the

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Speaker 2: seeds you grow. So no problem with the protests targeting

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Speaker 2: winning I'll tell you what they argue. You could whatever

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Speaker 2: you want to say about Winston Peters, and there's a

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Speaker 2: lot people can say both sides.

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Speaker 3: Yep, but he's not gutless.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: If there's one person in New Zealand that is not gutless,

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Speaker 3: it's Winston Peters. Yeah, very nicely there. Yeah, absolutely, he's

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Speaker 3: proven that over a long time.

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Speaker 2: I think that's objectively provable. Yeah, that Winston Peter's is

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Speaker 2: not a gutless human being.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, taking your calls on this. So eight one

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of calls ever

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Speaker 3: acceptable to protest outside a politician's private home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with this kind of craziness, says this text, we

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Speaker 2: risk people not putting up their hand to lead.

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Speaker 3: I mean, very good point. There has to be some line. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: nineteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. So we have

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Speaker 3: been talking about protests outside of Foreign Minister Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: Auckland's home, being in drums, waving Palestinian flans and demanding

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Speaker 3: action over New Zealander is involved in the Gaza Aid

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Speaker 3: flow Tiller noisy, emotional and highly visible. The police were

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Speaker 3: called noise control showed up. The names of the activists

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Speaker 3: were written in chalk on the footpath. But Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: himself has called that particular style of protest disgraceful and

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Speaker 3: that private home should be off limits. Minister Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: is just standing by, so we will cross to him,

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Speaker 3: very very shortly, but a couple of teks before we

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Speaker 3: crossed to Winston Peters. In fact, we've got them on

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Speaker 3: the line now. Minister, very good afternoon to you. Good afternoon,

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Speaker 3: thank you for joining us in. Minister, can you describe

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Speaker 3: the protest that occurred outside your house?

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Speaker 15: Well, there's been a whole lot of them, but the

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Speaker 15: latest one turns up with usual noise last in the

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Speaker 15: whole street, waking everybody up in the neighborhood, and the

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Speaker 15: dolls and the cats and all the animals, and generally

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Speaker 15: breaking the law because we haven't noise abatement laws in

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Speaker 15: this country and they preesta all those are the.

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Speaker 3: Laws that we've got sufficient to stop this kind of behavior.

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Speaker 2: Do you support a new law that's been proposed by

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Speaker 2: justin Justice, Minister Paul Goldsmith.

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Speaker 15: Well, I support the new law because there's some vagueness

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Speaker 15: about the application of the old law. And when you

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Speaker 15: insist that the noise abatement rules to be followed so

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Speaker 15: that blocks away they won't be able to hear this protest,

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Speaker 15: there have been some vagueness about how it applies, and

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Speaker 15: so clarity is the name of the game. Everyone is

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Speaker 15: in total to their peace and their neighborhood, and if

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Speaker 15: you want to protest, it's praciss for protest, but it

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Speaker 15: isn't outside of people's homes. Sometimes those protests have happened

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Speaker 15: when they're not even home. It's only that neighborhood that's

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Speaker 15: taking the pain and bearing the bunt.

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Speaker 8: Of it all.

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Speaker 3: You, yourself, minister, have been you know, supportive of the

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Speaker 3: idea of protesting for a long time in your career

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Speaker 3: for various different issues. What's the egregious part of being

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Speaker 3: outside apologists private home? Is it the fact that sometimes

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Speaker 3: children and other family members are targeted with these actions.

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Speaker 15: Some anophol reasons. This is, first of all, not a

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Speaker 15: public place in this context. One of the marvelous things

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Speaker 15: about our law coming down through the sentries is the

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Speaker 15: right to peaceful occupation of your home, and someone breaking

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Speaker 15: the laws with the loudspeakers or three loudspigures outside the

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Speaker 15: front door is not abiding by the law. My most

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Speaker 15: important point is the can'tst places where you can protest,

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Speaker 15: but to think you're going to shout outside, for example,

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Speaker 15: as they did the other night about the three people

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Speaker 15: on the flotilla shouting out bringing them home, When we

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Speaker 15: first of all told him not to come, not to

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Speaker 15: go further. We told them not to go because it

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Speaker 15: ought to be rested last time. And the second thing,

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Speaker 15: we knew that we had foreign affairs in Anchor and

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Speaker 15: around the world stepping in to try and help them

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Speaker 15: back and they'll be coming home. So they were shouting

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Speaker 15: out a futile message. WI has already been dealt with, yes,

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Speaker 15: by Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

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Speaker 3: So would you be able to put up the noise

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Speaker 3: more if the message was less futile in your opinion, Minister, No.

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Speaker 15: Because the neighborhood has no responsibility or obligation to put

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Speaker 15: up with people preaching the law in that way.

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Speaker 2: Now, Minister, you've been around for a while, obviously, do

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Speaker 2: you think things have changed? Is this more prevalent then

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Speaker 2: than it has been in the past, this kind of behavior.

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Speaker 15: Well, it has changed dramatically because you've got these people

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Speaker 15: virtue signaling and they don't give a darn about other

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Speaker 15: people's rights. Now, you know, there's a famous speech bad

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Speaker 15: by any human politician, that says you're right in one

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Speaker 15: edge from men of my nose. It's a long long

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Speaker 15: time ago when you said that, but it is correct

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Speaker 15: when you're going to a protest you've got to write

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Speaker 15: to and that is a central part of democracy. But

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Speaker 15: there are rules and obligations you've got to follow. You can't,

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Speaker 15: for example, block roads, stop traffic, particularly when someone may

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Speaker 15: be on an emergency rushing off to hospital to save

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Speaker 15: someone's life. That is unacceptable and that's what my point is.

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Speaker 15: There's going to be rules.

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Speaker 2: So where do you support protests to take place? I mean,

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Speaker 2: we had protests in front of Parliament that were the

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Speaker 2: famous Parliament protests that ended in quite dramatic fashion. Is

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Speaker 2: Parliament the place to protest? Is it public squares? Where

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Speaker 2: do you support protests?

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Speaker 15: But it would have never been in a dramatic fashion

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Speaker 15: had not every parliamentarian signed a fact whether then Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister not to talk to them. This is unbelievable that

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Speaker 15: you'd have no one in Parliament bent appear to go

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Speaker 15: down and talk to them and hear them out. They

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Speaker 15: would have gone home. We deteriorated rapidly after that.

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Speaker 3: That's my point, Minister, isn't a part of this when

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Speaker 3: you've got actions like these protests undertook and we've had

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Speaker 3: a lot of people come through over the last forty

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Speaker 3: five minutes saying it goes too far protesting outside a

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Speaker 3: private person's residence, and then you mentioned blocking the roads

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Speaker 3: and the Auckland Harbor Bridge for example. At the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, this whole message that the protesters are

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Speaker 3: trying to get through, isn't it a bit of an

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Speaker 3: own goal because most fear minded New Zealanders can see

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Speaker 3: it goes too far or the interrupt lives of people

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Speaker 3: that have nothing to do with that, so their causes

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Speaker 3: weakened anyway.

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Speaker 15: Well, what you're really saying is they lose any moral

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Speaker 15: high ground they're claiming, and there's no morality in what

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Speaker 15: they're claiming in the first place, so they don't ever

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Speaker 15: care about moral high ground. They've come to the view

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Speaker 15: that no matter what the population thinks, no matter what

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Speaker 15: the process thinks, no matter what Parliament thinks, they in

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Speaker 15: a democracy are entitled to have their voice, whether it

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Speaker 15: be one tenth of the rest of the nation's voice

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Speaker 15: heard above all others. This is a type of fascism,

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Speaker 15: as a type of Marxism, it's a type of pictorial

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Speaker 15: behavior which we don't accept.

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Speaker 2: Now, finally, Minister, these three New Zealanders that have been

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Speaker 2: detained that were on the flotilla is there any reason

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Speaker 2: for friends and family to be concerned for their safety.

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Speaker 15: No, because we've gone to a lot of bubble we

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Speaker 15: always do that. They're we're not in any way endangered.

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Speaker 15: This was a futile journey where people were saying they're

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Speaker 15: taking aid when their aid had no chance of getting

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Speaker 15: in there. The Italian leader said, look, we've got a

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Speaker 15: military vote, give us the aid and will to make

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Speaker 15: sure it lands at the right place and it gets

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Speaker 15: to the Gazan people. But they weren't interested in getting

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Speaker 15: to the people in Gaza. They were interested in virtue

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Speaker 15: sitting the formative politics and trying to make a point

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Speaker 15: at the enormous cost of the victims in Gaza and

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Speaker 15: at the enormous cost of media space on real issues

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Speaker 15: in our country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for meta.

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Speaker 15: Want to say, how would you guys see how they

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Speaker 15: go outside your front door? Nown plus at your show

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Speaker 15: so you can't speak to the country.

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Speaker 3: We did talk about that, Minister, and I think Mat

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Speaker 3: and myself both agreed that that's probably too far for

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Speaker 3: they want to come outside the studio more than welcome,

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Speaker 3: But outside of my private home, no, I wouldn't like it.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of protections.

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Speaker 15: Here your studio. You're an essential part of the nvacy.

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Speaker 15: It's called a four state. Yeah, and then now making

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Speaker 15: sure that you can't operate.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's been a bit of that protesting out the front,

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Speaker 3: he has. Yeah, it's been a bit, but we're on

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Speaker 3: the we're.

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Speaker 2: On the first floor and we're protected by the mic

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Speaker 2: costing protocols where there's a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 2: doors to swipe through. But yes, some people can protest,

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Speaker 2: as I say on nine two nine two is the

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Speaker 2: text numbered or eight hundred and eighty three and eighty

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Speaker 2: those are perfect lines of protests that they can they

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Speaker 2: can use.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get a lot of that. Minister, really

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Speaker 3: appreciate you coming on this afternoon. Really nice to chat.

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Speaker 15: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is Foreign Minister and the leader of the

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Speaker 3: New Zealand First Party of course Winston Peters. And thoughts

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Speaker 3: and prayers to his pets and neighbors. Yeah, absolutely, with

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Speaker 3: people yelling and screaming on a street at all ours

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Speaker 3: those poor dogs. It is eight minutes to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons news Dog.

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Speaker 3: Said, be very good afternoon. It is five to to

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Speaker 3: so many texts coming through on nine two nine two, and.

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Speaker 2: This sex says, I'm a security garden have never protested,

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Speaker 2: but I have guarded buildings during a protest. I don't

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Speaker 2: agree with blocking roads, but if you stick to the

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Speaker 2: side walks where our rights are strongest, and so long

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Speaker 2: as you don't break the law. They should be able

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Speaker 2: to protest outside someone's home in the same way they

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Speaker 2: can protest outside parliament. Unfortunately for the government officials it's

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Speaker 2: protected and should remain protected. Yeah, I mean there are

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Speaker 2: a bunch of rules in place to you know already

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Speaker 2: in terms of the basics on this, you know, as

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Speaker 2: you can imagine all the ones you know, but this

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Speaker 2: would be a targeted, targeted bill to say, if you

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Speaker 2: if you're targeting an individual in their home, which is

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Speaker 2: could be gray area all around that, you know, what

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Speaker 2: is a person's.

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Speaker 3: Home, when are you targeting them? All those those kind

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Speaker 3: of things. So there's a bit to work through on

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Speaker 3: that bill, but it is progressing through parliament. There's an

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Speaker 3: interesting text Giddy guys loved it when Boris Johnson took

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Speaker 3: out cups of tea to Brexit protesters outside his home address.

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Speaker 3: The UK in general don't agree with protests crossing the

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Speaker 3: line at someone's personal address. Winston Peters is a working

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Speaker 3: public servant. Protest outside his work, Parliament or in public

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Speaker 3: spaces which don't disrupt society. Love your show from Rupert. Oh,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Rupert, Thank you for calling in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been and it's been a great discussion, but

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Speaker 2: I mean it must be a lot of you know,

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Speaker 2: at least people can rest assured on all sides of

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Speaker 2: this debate.

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Speaker 4: That the.

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Speaker 2: Three members of the flotilla were never in any danger

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Speaker 2: at all, and we'll be home in due course.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, they're already starting to deport the various members of

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Speaker 3: that flow tellus. So I think in the next twenty

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Speaker 3: four to forty eight hours that will all be resolved.

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Speaker 3: Great discussion. Thank you very much for all your tech

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Speaker 3: and phone calls. Coming up After two o'clock, a shocking

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Speaker 3: report reveals the number of Kei We's losing limbs record rates,

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Speaker 3: one and eighty one cases excuse me last year. That's

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Speaker 3: a fifty five percent increase. So if you have faced

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Speaker 3: a situation where you've had to lose a limb. We're

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Speaker 3: really keen to have a chat with you on oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten, eighty nine two the text number,

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Speaker 3: new Sport and weather coming up. Stay right here talking with.

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Speaker 1: You all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons

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Speaker 1: news talk Zivy.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program.

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Speaker 2: Now, Tyler, you know and listeners, you know that I

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Speaker 2: don't like reading out the south sourcing texts, the super

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Speaker 2: positive ones. I prefer to read out the ones that

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Speaker 2: refer to us as muppets.

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Speaker 3: You do you love those ones? I really like the

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Speaker 3: positive ones. Just a fyi. So if you want to

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Speaker 3: see through the positive ones, I like them.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to send positive ones, so I

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Speaker 3: like somebody. I like the other ones, but well I

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Speaker 3: don't like that way. I just find them amusing. What

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Speaker 3: I love. All of it gains a fuel. Bring everything

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Speaker 3: in nine two, eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty yep.

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Speaker 3: Lines are open. We'll take it all.

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Speaker 2: But I will read this one out from Kevin because

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Speaker 2: I found this quite touching and it made my day.

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Speaker 2: From Kevin, Hey, guys, totally off topic, but I just

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Speaker 2: got back from working three weeks and nausey and almost

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Speaker 2: three things.

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Speaker 3: My fiance, my dog, and you guys. Great to be

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Speaker 3: able to tune back in it. Oh what a good man, Kiven?

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Speaker 3: Is you get that's type the list? Yeah, fiance, dog,

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Speaker 3: and then us? Yeah, so what do we have to

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Speaker 3: do to get above the dog and fiance? They didn't.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't a one, two, three?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't. That wasn't the podium. It kind of felt

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Speaker 3: like it, though, didn't they They did? Yeah, so we're

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Speaker 3: we're third at the moment. Yeah, So Kevin, what do

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Speaker 3: we need to do to get second place?

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Speaker 4: At least?

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Speaker 3: You know, dogs are the best of us, But I

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Speaker 3: reckon we could do something.

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Speaker 2: What can we do for you that your partner does

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Speaker 2: that we're not doing? That's a that's a that's shaky ground.

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Speaker 2: You're on there, tilant.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're thirty. Actually, now that you mention it, right,

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Speaker 3: let's get into this one. This is going to be

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Speaker 3: a good discussion. So it was quite a shocking. New

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Speaker 3: report is just being released today and it does reveal

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Speaker 3: that Kiwis are losing limbs at record rates. There were

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Speaker 3: oney one and eighty one cases of people needing to

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Speaker 3: have a limb removed. That's a fifty five percent increase

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Speaker 3: from a decade ago. Not surprisingly, a lot of these

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Speaker 3: cases are due to diabetes complications. With the numbers rising,

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Speaker 3: and you can imagine, the human toll of losing a

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Speaker 3: limb is absolutely immense. So that's what we want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat about. If you've had a family member

871
00:42:10,173 --> 00:42:13,533
Speaker 3: who's experienced limb loss unexpectedly, how did it change your life?

872
00:42:13,573 --> 00:42:14,093
Speaker 3: In their life?

873
00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:17,053
Speaker 2: That's a huge number, isn't it? One one hundred and

874
00:42:17,173 --> 00:42:19,292
Speaker 2: eighty one limbs.

875
00:42:20,653 --> 00:42:24,733
Speaker 3: In a year? Quick question? Yeah, I probably should know this,

876
00:42:24,853 --> 00:42:27,853
Speaker 3: but it's just sprung to mind. Are all those limbs on?

877
00:42:28,413 --> 00:42:30,733
Speaker 2: Is that one one hundred and eighty one people or

878
00:42:30,773 --> 00:42:34,293
Speaker 2: one one hundred and one hundred, one hundred, one hundred

879
00:42:34,293 --> 00:42:34,853
Speaker 2: and eighty one limbs?

880
00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:36,733
Speaker 3: If you know what I'm saying, That is a good question.

881
00:42:37,533 --> 00:42:39,693
Speaker 3: And I don't know if the story specifies. Maybe it

882
00:42:39,813 --> 00:42:42,133
Speaker 3: is because of one person sadly has to have a

883
00:42:42,213 --> 00:42:44,373
Speaker 3: couple of limbs removed. I imagine that that gets put

884
00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:46,853
Speaker 3: into the old the old numbers, Well, you can lose

885
00:42:46,933 --> 00:42:50,013
Speaker 3: up to four yeah, yeah, very true. Yeah, O eight

886
00:42:50,013 --> 00:42:52,213
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

887
00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:55,013
Speaker 3: Nine two, nine to two, no doubt about it. If

888
00:42:55,053 --> 00:42:58,613
Speaker 3: you're ever faced with that situation where you're where you

889
00:42:58,693 --> 00:43:01,333
Speaker 3: are going to have a limb removed, that is an

890
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:02,813
Speaker 3: absolute life changer, isn't it.

891
00:43:03,093 --> 00:43:05,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a lot of lives effective, no

892
00:43:05,613 --> 00:43:07,293
Speaker 2: which way, no, no, no matter which way you look

893
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:07,493
Speaker 2: at it.

894
00:43:08,773 --> 00:43:11,373
Speaker 3: So what's it like losing a limb? How hard is it?

895
00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:12,933
Speaker 3: What's the tech like? These days?

896
00:43:12,973 --> 00:43:14,933
Speaker 2: We'd love to talk to people in this situation or

897
00:43:14,973 --> 00:43:18,333
Speaker 2: people who know people in the situation. I know a

898
00:43:18,373 --> 00:43:22,053
Speaker 2: few people that are missing limbs. And I was running

899
00:43:22,133 --> 00:43:25,853
Speaker 2: a half marathon a few about about a month ago

900
00:43:26,573 --> 00:43:29,693
Speaker 2: in Topel, and I was running behind a guy that

901
00:43:29,773 --> 00:43:32,173
Speaker 2: was a missing limb right one of his he was

902
00:43:33,493 --> 00:43:37,213
Speaker 2: had a prosthetic on a running shoe. Yeah, and what

903
00:43:37,253 --> 00:43:38,692
Speaker 2: does that say about me that I was behind him

904
00:43:38,693 --> 00:43:39,613
Speaker 2: in the race meeting you?

905
00:43:39,733 --> 00:43:41,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was beating me. I had two legs, he

906
00:43:41,213 --> 00:43:42,973
Speaker 3: had Onely what a legend that guy is and he

907
00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:46,133
Speaker 3: was he was. That is impressive. I mean I passed

908
00:43:46,173 --> 00:43:47,253
Speaker 3: him by the end of the race, but that's not

909
00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:49,133
Speaker 3: the point. Yeah, but he had you for a week

910
00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:51,613
Speaker 3: while there yeah, yeah, oh, eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty.

911
00:43:51,653 --> 00:43:54,573
Speaker 3: What is it like living with after you've had a

912
00:43:54,613 --> 00:43:56,453
Speaker 3: limb removed? Really, Keen David chat with you. Ninety two

913
00:43:56,533 --> 00:43:59,212
Speaker 3: nine and two is the text number. It is ten

914
00:43:59,293 --> 00:43:59,813
Speaker 3: past two.

915
00:44:00,053 --> 00:44:02,773
Speaker 2: And these people that are texting and saying they're currently legalists,

916
00:44:02,813 --> 00:44:03,812
Speaker 2: that's not what we're talking about.

917
00:44:03,893 --> 00:44:04,933
Speaker 3: Now, come on, come on.

918
00:44:06,533 --> 00:44:10,652
Speaker 1: Your home of Afternoon tour Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

919
00:44:10,933 --> 00:44:13,933
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

920
00:44:15,573 --> 00:44:18,053
Speaker 3: Very good, afternoon, cheu. We are talking about a shocking

921
00:44:18,133 --> 00:44:20,733
Speaker 3: you report that shows the number of Kiwi's having to

922
00:44:20,933 --> 00:44:25,053
Speaker 3: have amputations losing limbs. It's at record rates one and

923
00:44:25,093 --> 00:44:27,533
Speaker 3: eighty one cases last year. That's a fifty five percent

924
00:44:27,693 --> 00:44:29,613
Speaker 3: increased from ten years ago. That's huge.

925
00:44:29,693 --> 00:44:32,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is absolutely huge. So what's it like to

926
00:44:33,413 --> 00:44:37,652
Speaker 2: lose a limb? One hundred and eighty, ten eighty. What's

927
00:44:37,733 --> 00:44:39,773
Speaker 2: the tech like these days? Hi, guys, I had SIPs

928
00:44:40,013 --> 00:44:45,373
Speaker 2: siptus sip that's zips us, siptus, zipsis sipsus.

929
00:44:45,773 --> 00:44:48,613
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, there is a typo there, but yeah, yeah,

930
00:44:48,613 --> 00:44:51,333
Speaker 3: I know, but I should I should say that, right,

931
00:44:52,013 --> 00:44:53,732
Speaker 3: You look at that can you look that up to me, Todd, Yep,

932
00:44:53,773 --> 00:44:54,693
Speaker 3: I certainly can sypsis.

933
00:44:54,733 --> 00:44:56,413
Speaker 2: I think that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I'm

934
00:44:56,413 --> 00:44:58,853
Speaker 2: sure someone on nine two nine two Will will will

935
00:44:58,893 --> 00:45:02,093
Speaker 2: correct me there. I was about to lose my life.

936
00:45:02,213 --> 00:45:05,053
Speaker 2: Then my then managed to save me, but my arm

937
00:45:05,373 --> 00:45:07,853
Speaker 2: was about to be lost. I was so seriously ill.

938
00:45:07,893 --> 00:45:11,373
Speaker 2: Two years I'm still affected by it. They saved my arm,

939
00:45:11,733 --> 00:45:14,413
Speaker 2: although my hand doesn't work. It's affected my whole life.

940
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:17,893
Speaker 2: I'm heavily scarred physically and mentally by it. But it

941
00:45:18,013 --> 00:45:20,373
Speaker 2: all gave me a huge wake up called how fragile

942
00:45:20,453 --> 00:45:22,453
Speaker 2: life is and how lucky we are to be alive

943
00:45:22,573 --> 00:45:22,933
Speaker 2: every day.

944
00:45:22,933 --> 00:45:25,573
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for everything than God. Just all here. That

945
00:45:25,773 --> 00:45:28,573
Speaker 3: is an incredibly serious thing, SIPs us. I had sepsis

946
00:45:28,613 --> 00:45:28,973
Speaker 3: as a kid.

947
00:45:29,493 --> 00:45:33,653
Speaker 2: Blood poison Yeah, blood poisoning. You know, I've you know

948
00:45:33,693 --> 00:45:37,933
Speaker 2: a person that was in my family was affected by

949
00:45:37,973 --> 00:45:40,053
Speaker 2: blood poisoning and died.

950
00:45:40,173 --> 00:45:43,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was it was so quick how it happened,

951
00:45:43,253 --> 00:45:44,453
Speaker 3: it was it was horrific.

952
00:45:44,573 --> 00:45:44,732
Speaker 4: Yeah.

953
00:45:44,773 --> 00:45:46,933
Speaker 3: Well I was two years old and they don't know

954
00:45:47,053 --> 00:45:49,293
Speaker 3: how I actually got it. But see that's scar there.

955
00:45:49,733 --> 00:45:51,213
Speaker 3: That was where they had to cut me open. And

956
00:45:51,293 --> 00:45:52,853
Speaker 3: drain my blood. I was in the hospital for about

957
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:55,853
Speaker 3: four months. My poor mum and dad. Actually that was

958
00:45:55,893 --> 00:45:58,652
Speaker 3: where mum went gray. It was that'stressful, serious thing.

959
00:45:58,893 --> 00:46:01,933
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean I find that so terrifying that

960
00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:06,373
Speaker 2: that that that that can happen, and when it does happen,

961
00:46:06,453 --> 00:46:09,453
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's like an infection that may be

962
00:46:10,413 --> 00:46:13,172
Speaker 2: you know, ninety nine times out of one hundred is fine,

963
00:46:13,413 --> 00:46:15,733
Speaker 2: and then you get blood poisoning and it goes That's

964
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:20,772
Speaker 2: a part of medicine that I find absolutely terrifying. Dean,

965
00:46:20,853 --> 00:46:21,453
Speaker 2: Welcome the show.

966
00:46:22,613 --> 00:46:24,413
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, good.

967
00:46:24,693 --> 00:46:24,893
Speaker 5: Yeah.

968
00:46:25,173 --> 00:46:27,773
Speaker 6: Mine's not a blood poisoner. It was a motorbike accident

969
00:46:27,853 --> 00:46:30,013
Speaker 6: years and years ago. We're an old guy. I thought

970
00:46:30,013 --> 00:46:31,493
Speaker 6: it was a gap in the traffic and he decided

971
00:46:31,493 --> 00:46:32,933
Speaker 6: to try and take it and just ran me over.

972
00:46:34,533 --> 00:46:37,893
Speaker 6: But basically I put the bottom half of my right

973
00:46:37,973 --> 00:46:40,053
Speaker 6: legs spun around about a dozen times at the knee

974
00:46:40,093 --> 00:46:43,133
Speaker 6: joint and didn't break the bone, and I got to hospital.

975
00:46:43,133 --> 00:46:44,853
Speaker 6: I shed a ribs and a few other things, but

976
00:46:44,973 --> 00:46:48,093
Speaker 6: that was the main problem. Got to the hospital and

977
00:46:48,533 --> 00:46:50,973
Speaker 6: this is what ninety ninety one, they didn't have an etheicist,

978
00:46:51,853 --> 00:46:53,933
Speaker 6: so it got down to seven minutes and by that

979
00:46:54,013 --> 00:46:55,773
Speaker 6: stage I would have probably bitten them. They so they

980
00:46:55,853 --> 00:46:57,933
Speaker 6: bypassed me and went straight my mum and said, fine

981
00:46:57,973 --> 00:47:00,973
Speaker 6: this and we'll just do it anyway. We'll do the operation.

982
00:47:01,573 --> 00:47:04,893
Speaker 6: I'm grateful they did. And yeah, and they just came

983
00:47:04,973 --> 00:47:07,453
Speaker 6: in and three of these big male nurses just held

984
00:47:07,493 --> 00:47:09,773
Speaker 6: me down and they did it. And I mean, your

985
00:47:09,813 --> 00:47:11,693
Speaker 6: memory of pain is pretty good, your brain brilliant. I

986
00:47:11,693 --> 00:47:13,172
Speaker 6: don't remember it is that. I just remember it as

987
00:47:13,173 --> 00:47:16,813
Speaker 6: a whole lot of crap, really, you know. But that's

988
00:47:16,893 --> 00:47:21,133
Speaker 6: that that changed my life massively, like flight, Yeah, yeah,

989
00:47:21,373 --> 00:47:23,453
Speaker 6: knuckle down, gotta gotta be the job, and you've got

990
00:47:23,493 --> 00:47:26,213
Speaker 6: to missus and some kids. And there was an intervall rubbish.

991
00:47:26,413 --> 00:47:28,693
Speaker 3: Well you see, you see that as a that that

992
00:47:28,893 --> 00:47:30,732
Speaker 3: moment as a turning point in your in your life.

993
00:47:31,933 --> 00:47:33,652
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely yeah, without a doubt.

994
00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:34,013
Speaker 8: Yeah.

995
00:47:34,293 --> 00:47:36,093
Speaker 6: Even Grandma said I would have been either dedle in

996
00:47:36,173 --> 00:47:38,732
Speaker 6: jail as a young flatherhead a long time ago.

997
00:47:39,613 --> 00:47:41,893
Speaker 2: It isn't it funny? These terrible things can happen to us.

998
00:47:41,973 --> 00:47:44,213
Speaker 2: But if you've got a good, good attitude like you

999
00:47:44,253 --> 00:47:46,253
Speaker 2: seem to have, Dean, you, you can see them as

1000
00:47:46,293 --> 00:47:46,933
Speaker 2: a positive thing.

1001
00:47:46,973 --> 00:47:47,493
Speaker 3: Down the track.

1002
00:47:48,573 --> 00:47:50,453
Speaker 6: Well you do that when you give up and you

1003
00:47:50,493 --> 00:47:52,973
Speaker 6: can't really do that. You know, you can't give up

1004
00:47:53,013 --> 00:47:55,212
Speaker 6: and do nothing, So to do nothing, it's just it's

1005
00:47:55,333 --> 00:47:57,093
Speaker 6: not an option. So you do something.

1006
00:47:57,453 --> 00:47:59,373
Speaker 3: So what's what's the use of your leg?

1007
00:47:59,573 --> 00:47:59,613
Speaker 11: Like?

1008
00:47:59,693 --> 00:47:59,853
Speaker 3: Now?

1009
00:48:01,373 --> 00:48:06,013
Speaker 6: Oh, brilliant. I mean I'm fifty bloody, this is thirty

1010
00:48:06,373 --> 00:48:09,213
Speaker 6: four years ago? Well how long it was ago? Not

1011
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:13,893
Speaker 6: exactly right, but they the sugeon said that brilliant. Like,

1012
00:48:13,933 --> 00:48:15,453
Speaker 6: I'll give full credit to the whole broom and a

1013
00:48:15,493 --> 00:48:18,133
Speaker 6: lot of them. They sort of sob back on. I

1014
00:48:18,213 --> 00:48:19,893
Speaker 6: reckoned I'd never be able to run again. But I mean,

1015
00:48:19,933 --> 00:48:21,893
Speaker 6: I'll take under the one hundred and fished and done

1016
00:48:22,013 --> 00:48:22,813
Speaker 6: sings risk on.

1017
00:48:22,853 --> 00:48:23,373
Speaker 17: My whole life.

1018
00:48:23,933 --> 00:48:25,692
Speaker 6: I'm up for a bug of knee now, but that's

1019
00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:27,973
Speaker 6: because there's no cartilage left in there and they want

1020
00:48:28,013 --> 00:48:30,773
Speaker 6: to do an ey replacement, which is I was. I'm concerned.

1021
00:48:30,773 --> 00:48:31,853
Speaker 6: I've had a body good run with it.

1022
00:48:32,453 --> 00:48:34,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you for your cool dean, And then

1023
00:48:34,253 --> 00:48:35,652
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're okay, and I'm glad that.

1024
00:48:35,693 --> 00:48:39,133
Speaker 2: Everything turned out all right. Yeah, but without the anesthetic.

1025
00:48:39,373 --> 00:48:42,013
Speaker 2: I've had that before, have you. Yeah, I had quite

1026
00:48:42,053 --> 00:48:45,453
Speaker 2: a terrible injury, and you know, my bone popped out

1027
00:48:45,493 --> 00:48:48,773
Speaker 2: my wrists and they they took me to the hospital

1028
00:48:48,773 --> 00:48:52,133
Speaker 2: and had to reset well I still before they could

1029
00:48:52,133 --> 00:48:52,933
Speaker 2: give me any drugs.

1030
00:48:53,093 --> 00:48:55,053
Speaker 3: It's quite it's quite an experience, I bet it is.

1031
00:48:55,173 --> 00:48:57,133
Speaker 2: It was actually been filmed because it was we were

1032
00:48:57,173 --> 00:49:00,013
Speaker 2: making a stunt TV shirt at the time, so it's

1033
00:49:00,013 --> 00:49:01,933
Speaker 2: actually on the show when they reset it. So I've

1034
00:49:01,933 --> 00:49:03,653
Speaker 2: got I've got the mask on and they reset it

1035
00:49:03,733 --> 00:49:05,853
Speaker 2: and it's quite an interesting scream I let out.

1036
00:49:05,973 --> 00:49:08,013
Speaker 3: So were you conscious? Did you pass out? You're conscious

1037
00:49:08,013 --> 00:49:08,613
Speaker 3: through at the thing?

1038
00:49:08,693 --> 00:49:09,813
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, it was.

1039
00:49:09,853 --> 00:49:11,813
Speaker 3: It wasn't a particularly manly screen that came out of me.

1040
00:49:11,813 --> 00:49:14,533
Speaker 3: I've got bet to be honest. Without any bank killers

1041
00:49:14,853 --> 00:49:15,653
Speaker 3: that sort of injury.

1042
00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:17,573
Speaker 2: Well, we use it as the warning on our TV show.

1043
00:49:17,573 --> 00:49:19,212
Speaker 2: It's like, try these stunts a home. What's the worst

1044
00:49:19,213 --> 00:49:19,773
Speaker 2: that could happen?

1045
00:49:21,133 --> 00:49:23,373
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1046
00:49:23,493 --> 00:49:26,413
Speaker 3: call if you've been in a situation where you've almost

1047
00:49:26,493 --> 00:49:28,812
Speaker 3: lost a limb or indeed lost at What was life

1048
00:49:29,093 --> 00:49:29,653
Speaker 3: like after that?

1049
00:49:29,773 --> 00:49:29,973
Speaker 4: Really?

1050
00:49:30,013 --> 00:49:32,172
Speaker 3: Can you hear your stories? And the tech as well

1051
00:49:32,213 --> 00:49:34,652
Speaker 3: when it comes to prosthetics, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1052
00:49:34,733 --> 00:49:36,213
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

1053
00:49:40,253 --> 00:49:43,933
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1054
00:49:44,013 --> 00:49:45,573
Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1055
00:49:46,173 --> 00:49:48,613
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. We're talking about losing a limb. A

1056
00:49:48,693 --> 00:49:51,692
Speaker 3: new report just out shows an alarming number of ki

1057
00:49:51,813 --> 00:49:54,853
Speaker 3: we's facing that situation. A lot of it's down to

1058
00:49:55,373 --> 00:49:58,253
Speaker 3: diabetes complications. But really, can you hear from you if

1059
00:49:58,293 --> 00:50:00,692
Speaker 3: you've been in that situation or a family member? How

1060
00:50:00,733 --> 00:50:03,333
Speaker 3: did you adapt after the fact. Nine two ninety two

1061
00:50:03,493 --> 00:50:06,732
Speaker 3: is the text number? This isn't an interesting text. Hi, guys,

1062
00:50:06,853 --> 00:50:09,253
Speaker 3: great show. My son just two and thirteen. He was

1063
00:50:09,333 --> 00:50:11,653
Speaker 3: born with one and a half arms. It's been amazing

1064
00:50:11,693 --> 00:50:14,693
Speaker 3: watching him grow up. Not too many things he can't do.

1065
00:50:15,133 --> 00:50:17,133
Speaker 3: I challenge you to try and dress yourself or even

1066
00:50:17,173 --> 00:50:19,053
Speaker 3: put your socks on with one arm. When you're born

1067
00:50:19,133 --> 00:50:22,013
Speaker 3: that way, you know no different. His latest challenges he

1068
00:50:22,133 --> 00:50:25,093
Speaker 3: wants to start going to the gym, so we'll have

1069
00:50:25,173 --> 00:50:26,213
Speaker 3: to work out how he does that.

1070
00:50:26,373 --> 00:50:29,213
Speaker 2: Cheers from James the Sex says, I've lived with diabetes

1071
00:50:29,213 --> 00:50:31,373
Speaker 2: for almost fifty years. The tools we have nowadays can

1072
00:50:31,413 --> 00:50:34,293
Speaker 2: assisipatients to take control over their blood sugars to assist.

1073
00:50:34,133 --> 00:50:39,292
Speaker 3: In better health outcomes, which is good. Losing a limb.

1074
00:50:39,653 --> 00:50:41,813
Speaker 2: You're losing the use of a limb through a stroke

1075
00:50:41,973 --> 00:50:44,253
Speaker 2: or something as an effect, exactly the same as losing

1076
00:50:44,293 --> 00:50:48,172
Speaker 2: it so you don't have it attached to your body. Yeah,

1077
00:50:48,573 --> 00:50:50,373
Speaker 2: I mean that's the whole another side of it as

1078
00:50:50,373 --> 00:50:54,853
Speaker 2: well asn't the strokes. There's accidents, diabetes and strokes.

1079
00:50:54,973 --> 00:50:57,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if you can't use it after a stroke,

1080
00:50:58,053 --> 00:51:00,493
Speaker 3: then that is quite right. Effectively, it is losing a limb.

1081
00:51:00,773 --> 00:51:05,733
Speaker 2: Graham, welcome to the show. Goody good, thank you. So

1082
00:51:06,973 --> 00:51:09,652
Speaker 2: you this topic is very close to your heart.

1083
00:51:11,533 --> 00:51:12,253
Speaker 14: Well it is.

1084
00:51:12,613 --> 00:51:17,013
Speaker 17: Back in nineteen sixty three, I think I used to

1085
00:51:17,133 --> 00:51:21,613
Speaker 17: deliver the Yorkland Far got hit by a car and

1086
00:51:21,893 --> 00:51:24,533
Speaker 17: paralyzed my right arm and my shoulder.

1087
00:51:26,573 --> 00:51:27,053
Speaker 14: Then in.

1088
00:51:28,893 --> 00:51:34,053
Speaker 17: Nineteen sixty nine I was trying to get a motorbike

1089
00:51:34,213 --> 00:51:36,853
Speaker 17: started and went down the hill I don't know if

1090
00:51:36,893 --> 00:51:41,453
Speaker 17: you know where Collared Rifles is yep, in Auckland and

1091
00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:45,053
Speaker 17: went over the bank and paralyzed my other arm.

1092
00:51:46,613 --> 00:51:47,172
Speaker 3: Oh, my man.

1093
00:51:48,813 --> 00:51:49,453
Speaker 8: And then.

1094
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:54,573
Speaker 17: Five years later, well in that time I had the

1095
00:51:54,653 --> 00:51:57,093
Speaker 17: left arm. I had to had wearing a sling, which

1096
00:51:57,213 --> 00:52:00,813
Speaker 17: became very annoying. One of the well, it's amusing to

1097
00:52:00,933 --> 00:52:03,933
Speaker 17: me today. As I was living in my with my

1098
00:52:04,213 --> 00:52:08,613
Speaker 17: mother own father, and I came home intoxicated, did a

1099
00:52:08,893 --> 00:52:12,733
Speaker 17: direct bed and my bed caught fire. My arm was

1100
00:52:13,053 --> 00:52:18,893
Speaker 17: my paralyzed arm was across my shoulder, across my waist,

1101
00:52:20,093 --> 00:52:24,853
Speaker 17: and I woke up through the blankets outside, went back

1102
00:52:24,893 --> 00:52:27,453
Speaker 17: to bed, and in the morning I used to wear

1103
00:52:27,533 --> 00:52:32,253
Speaker 17: my watch on my left hand that was paralyzed, and

1104
00:52:33,213 --> 00:52:36,173
Speaker 17: I woke up in the face and my watch was melted.

1105
00:52:36,253 --> 00:52:37,772
Speaker 17: So that's how much heat was there.

1106
00:52:37,933 --> 00:52:43,253
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and so wow that I got an am.

1107
00:52:43,733 --> 00:52:46,533
Speaker 17: The limb movement came back on my left arm and

1108
00:52:46,653 --> 00:52:50,613
Speaker 17: I I was wearing it in a swing all the time.

1109
00:52:50,773 --> 00:52:53,293
Speaker 17: Just annoyed me. So I decided to get it amputated.

1110
00:52:53,893 --> 00:52:58,253
Speaker 17: Those days there wasn't acc or anything. So but the

1111
00:52:58,333 --> 00:53:00,652
Speaker 17: worst thing was they sent me to a place called

1112
00:53:00,733 --> 00:53:05,692
Speaker 17: the Sheltered Workshops and Parnel and I went in there

1113
00:53:05,733 --> 00:53:08,773
Speaker 17: and here were people putting pegs in the plastic bags

1114
00:53:08,813 --> 00:53:10,493
Speaker 17: and rubber beans. I was a hang on them. And

1115
00:53:10,653 --> 00:53:13,933
Speaker 17: I ain't lost my brain. I've only lost my arm.

1116
00:53:14,253 --> 00:53:16,773
Speaker 17: So I've got out of there as quick as possible

1117
00:53:16,853 --> 00:53:19,533
Speaker 17: and just pers to be head like and carried on.

1118
00:53:20,373 --> 00:53:22,733
Speaker 3: So what's your current situation, Graham?

1119
00:53:23,893 --> 00:53:28,093
Speaker 17: Well, I'm still the right arm that is still paralyzed

1120
00:53:28,133 --> 00:53:30,373
Speaker 17: on the shoulders, so I can't lift that arm up,

1121
00:53:31,173 --> 00:53:34,653
Speaker 17: and the other left arm is amputated below the elbow.

1122
00:53:35,893 --> 00:53:37,573
Speaker 3: So how does how does?

1123
00:53:37,813 --> 00:53:38,813
Speaker 4: How do you you know?

1124
00:53:39,213 --> 00:53:41,493
Speaker 2: Is there is there other tech that's become available over

1125
00:53:41,573 --> 00:53:43,853
Speaker 2: those years to make it easier.

1126
00:53:45,053 --> 00:53:47,693
Speaker 17: I had a Processis arm, but that's hanging in my

1127
00:53:47,813 --> 00:53:50,133
Speaker 17: garage now. It's no good to me at all because

1128
00:53:50,173 --> 00:53:55,613
Speaker 17: you don't realize how much movement is actually from your shoulders, right. Yeah,

1129
00:53:56,813 --> 00:54:00,172
Speaker 17: so I can't lift you know, whether process is. All

1130
00:54:00,253 --> 00:54:04,053
Speaker 17: I could do was waggle it up and down from mailboy.

1131
00:54:04,093 --> 00:54:06,773
Speaker 17: I can't lift it up for anything, So I was

1132
00:54:06,853 --> 00:54:07,533
Speaker 17: now used to me.

1133
00:54:08,453 --> 00:54:11,373
Speaker 3: You have you looked further into the new tech ram?

1134
00:54:11,813 --> 00:54:14,333
Speaker 3: You know, I generally don't know what's available to people

1135
00:54:14,333 --> 00:54:16,133
Speaker 3: out there in New Zealand, but you see the videos

1136
00:54:16,173 --> 00:54:17,973
Speaker 3: of some pretty high tech stuff coming to the fall

1137
00:54:18,013 --> 00:54:19,933
Speaker 3: when it comes to prosthetics.

1138
00:54:21,133 --> 00:54:23,652
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, I'm you know, I'm pretty old now, I'm

1139
00:54:23,773 --> 00:54:27,053
Speaker 17: seventy four, so it doesn't really concern me anymore.

1140
00:54:28,653 --> 00:54:30,133
Speaker 3: How do you do do you know?

1141
00:54:30,293 --> 00:54:32,893
Speaker 2: I mean trying to work out how to say this.

1142
00:54:32,973 --> 00:54:34,853
Speaker 2: But how do you how do you do things? And

1143
00:54:35,013 --> 00:54:39,493
Speaker 2: talk us through how you operate with this situation you're in.

1144
00:54:41,773 --> 00:54:45,813
Speaker 17: Well, I just made a guarther. You know things I've

1145
00:54:45,933 --> 00:54:49,093
Speaker 17: done well, I think back and I think, well, how

1146
00:54:49,173 --> 00:54:52,413
Speaker 17: did I do them? But I did them? But tell

1147
00:54:52,493 --> 00:54:55,133
Speaker 17: you what, a pair of ice scripts come with an

1148
00:54:55,173 --> 00:54:59,773
Speaker 17: andy and another arm, the whole things during up nuts

1149
00:54:59,813 --> 00:55:03,573
Speaker 17: and bolts, and you just get over it. And then

1150
00:55:04,773 --> 00:55:06,853
Speaker 17: well the odor and that's a prick of a thing

1151
00:55:06,973 --> 00:55:10,893
Speaker 17: to put on. But I mean as I've got well,

1152
00:55:10,933 --> 00:55:14,172
Speaker 17: I use the odor and stick. But what I've done

1153
00:55:14,213 --> 00:55:16,013
Speaker 17: has gone a bit of got a bit of clear

1154
00:55:16,173 --> 00:55:18,133
Speaker 17: tubing on it and stuck it on the end so

1155
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:21,933
Speaker 17: I can use my one arm to get an undermar.

1156
00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:27,173
Speaker 3: What about driving, Graham, how does driving work for you?

1157
00:55:28,373 --> 00:55:28,533
Speaker 4: Oh?

1158
00:55:28,653 --> 00:55:31,333
Speaker 17: Well, I drive an automatic car. But that's the stupid

1159
00:55:31,413 --> 00:55:36,533
Speaker 17: part about it. When I was on Envile's benefit, they

1160
00:55:36,693 --> 00:55:38,613
Speaker 17: used to send me a request.

1161
00:55:38,253 --> 00:55:39,493
Speaker 4: To see if I.

1162
00:55:41,133 --> 00:55:43,732
Speaker 17: Whether I'd improved over the years. I said, the only

1163
00:55:43,773 --> 00:55:47,093
Speaker 17: thing I've done is I've got older, and them's still

1164
00:55:47,173 --> 00:55:50,093
Speaker 17: the same same as it was. But you know, unless

1165
00:55:50,173 --> 00:55:52,413
Speaker 17: you did what they said, they just stopped your benefit.

1166
00:55:52,533 --> 00:55:58,212
Speaker 17: So the police, I don't need to wear some seat belt,

1167
00:55:58,293 --> 00:56:02,413
Speaker 17: but the police tell I've got a thing from adopted,

1168
00:56:02,533 --> 00:56:04,573
Speaker 17: So I don't think we need to wear a seat belt,

1169
00:56:04,653 --> 00:56:07,733
Speaker 17: but they say that I need to get that reviewed

1170
00:56:07,813 --> 00:56:11,333
Speaker 17: every year. Yeah, well, you know, come on, it's my

1171
00:56:11,373 --> 00:56:16,093
Speaker 17: mom's not there. It's pretty obvious. But that's the way

1172
00:56:16,173 --> 00:56:16,893
Speaker 17: the law goes.

1173
00:56:17,293 --> 00:56:18,093
Speaker 4: Just stupid to me.

1174
00:56:18,253 --> 00:56:21,453
Speaker 3: But how have you dealt with the whole situation?

1175
00:56:21,573 --> 00:56:23,893
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a number of years since the sixties,

1176
00:56:23,973 --> 00:56:26,293
Speaker 2: obviously you've been going through this, But how have you

1177
00:56:26,373 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 2: dealt with it emotionally? I can imagine there'd be there,

1178
00:56:31,173 --> 00:56:34,693
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of frustrations as well as.

1179
00:56:35,573 --> 00:56:38,692
Speaker 17: I get annoyed with it. You know, when I think, Craik,

1180
00:56:38,773 --> 00:56:39,973
Speaker 17: I've had an arm, I'd be.

1181
00:56:39,973 --> 00:56:40,693
Speaker 4: Able to do that.

1182
00:56:41,493 --> 00:56:43,893
Speaker 17: As I'm older. That's been the difficulty.

1183
00:56:44,853 --> 00:56:46,373
Speaker 6: I just can't my arm.

1184
00:56:46,693 --> 00:56:49,212
Speaker 17: We're a right arm, you know. I've been doing it's

1185
00:56:49,293 --> 00:56:51,933
Speaker 17: fifty sixty ideas. I've been trying. You know, I've got

1186
00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:54,693
Speaker 17: to throw it up in the air to get at anything.

1187
00:56:55,213 --> 00:56:58,453
Speaker 17: And I think it's slowly wearing out. But because it's

1188
00:56:58,533 --> 00:57:01,253
Speaker 17: just getting more and more difficult to do anything with it,

1189
00:57:01,373 --> 00:57:05,253
Speaker 17: and which is unfortunate. But you know, I've just worked

1190
00:57:05,293 --> 00:57:08,973
Speaker 17: my life through it and I've had well, i've well

1191
00:57:09,053 --> 00:57:11,812
Speaker 17: I'm retired now, but I work most in my life.

1192
00:57:11,893 --> 00:57:15,053
Speaker 17: I was fortunate my father had a business and he

1193
00:57:15,213 --> 00:57:17,533
Speaker 17: took me on there and I worked there, and then

1194
00:57:17,573 --> 00:57:23,453
Speaker 17: I've worked at the airport driving cars, and yeah, just

1195
00:57:24,373 --> 00:57:25,693
Speaker 17: just set to learn to live with it.

1196
00:57:25,853 --> 00:57:26,053
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1197
00:57:27,013 --> 00:57:29,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you've adapted incredibly grammed as you say,

1198
00:57:29,853 --> 00:57:32,693
Speaker 3: I mean, what option did you have right aside from

1199
00:57:32,693 --> 00:57:36,213
Speaker 3: those frustrations which you clearly faced. Was there that mentality

1200
00:57:36,293 --> 00:57:37,773
Speaker 3: that you've kind of got no choice, You've got to

1201
00:57:37,813 --> 00:57:38,453
Speaker 3: try and make it work.

1202
00:57:39,933 --> 00:57:40,133
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1203
00:57:40,733 --> 00:57:43,253
Speaker 18: The thing was, you know, I go for a job.

1204
00:57:44,133 --> 00:57:47,533
Speaker 17: I never told them that my right arm was not working,

1205
00:57:48,253 --> 00:57:50,053
Speaker 17: but then they said I only had one arm, and

1206
00:57:50,213 --> 00:57:52,813
Speaker 17: you know the number of rejects I got, you know,

1207
00:57:53,253 --> 00:57:56,493
Speaker 17: I got pretty frustrating. And the people that did take

1208
00:57:56,613 --> 00:57:58,733
Speaker 17: me on, while I was glad that I did have

1209
00:57:58,773 --> 00:58:01,333
Speaker 17: a job, you know, they probably paid me bugger all,

1210
00:58:01,453 --> 00:58:03,133
Speaker 17: but I still worked.

1211
00:58:04,053 --> 00:58:05,893
Speaker 2: Good on your Graham, Thank you so much for calling.

1212
00:58:05,973 --> 00:58:09,293
Speaker 2: Sounded like a very pragmatic person and all the best

1213
00:58:09,333 --> 00:58:09,493
Speaker 2: to you.

1214
00:58:09,693 --> 00:58:12,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible story. I wait under a eighty ten eighty.

1215
00:58:12,213 --> 00:58:13,893
Speaker 3: Have you or someone close to you ever faced the

1216
00:58:13,973 --> 00:58:16,453
Speaker 3: reality of losing a limb? What led to it and

1217
00:58:16,573 --> 00:58:17,933
Speaker 3: how did you change your life?

1218
00:58:18,093 --> 00:58:20,413
Speaker 2: Gratitude is a year very important thing in life. So

1219
00:58:20,573 --> 00:58:23,253
Speaker 2: if you're complaining about something small and then you're looking

1220
00:58:23,293 --> 00:58:26,493
Speaker 2: down and you've got two arms that work, then maybe

1221
00:58:26,533 --> 00:58:27,493
Speaker 2: stop complaining.

1222
00:58:27,493 --> 00:58:28,973
Speaker 3: Nicely said twenty nine past two.

1223
00:58:31,293 --> 00:58:34,973
Speaker 14: Jew's talk sa'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis that's

1224
00:58:35,093 --> 00:58:37,853
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. A man's been taken

1225
00:58:37,933 --> 00:58:40,973
Speaker 14: into custody after a police stand off in Auckland lasting

1226
00:58:41,053 --> 00:58:44,013
Speaker 14: more than three hours, with people at the scene hearing

1227
00:58:44,133 --> 00:58:48,893
Speaker 14: loud cracks and describing a pungent chemical smell. An officer

1228
00:58:49,093 --> 00:58:52,253
Speaker 14: shot on Flatbush's Chapel Road this morning has now been

1229
00:58:52,333 --> 00:58:56,053
Speaker 14: discharged from hospital. Christ Church Police say the search for

1230
00:58:56,133 --> 00:58:59,813
Speaker 14: seventeen year old Marley, not seen since September twenty six,

1231
00:59:00,293 --> 00:59:04,773
Speaker 14: has moved into a recovery phase. Helicopter searched areas surrounding

1232
00:59:04,813 --> 00:59:09,333
Speaker 14: Scarborough today and more Land searchers are being considered Taylor's mistake.

1233
00:59:10,373 --> 00:59:13,733
Speaker 14: Customs officers have seized an estimated twenty one kilograms of

1234
00:59:13,813 --> 00:59:16,853
Speaker 14: cocaine from a shipping container at the port of Todonger.

1235
00:59:17,773 --> 00:59:20,533
Speaker 14: A family member of a person who died on Facadi,

1236
00:59:20,613 --> 00:59:23,573
Speaker 14: White Island says their death has left a hole that

1237
00:59:23,693 --> 00:59:26,893
Speaker 14: will never be filled. Opening statements were heard this morning

1238
00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:31,533
Speaker 14: at the coronial inquest into the twenty nineteen eruption. Airports

1239
00:59:31,573 --> 00:59:35,573
Speaker 14: won't be regulated as COMMAS Commission rejects calls for inquiry.

1240
00:59:35,973 --> 00:59:38,973
Speaker 14: You can find out more at Enzen Herald Premium. Back

1241
00:59:39,013 --> 00:59:40,813
Speaker 14: to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

1242
00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:42,533
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean and we have been

1243
00:59:42,853 --> 00:59:46,293
Speaker 3: discussing losing a limb. New report reveals that New Zealanders

1244
00:59:46,333 --> 00:59:49,493
Speaker 3: are losing limbs at record rates. It's a fifty five

1245
00:59:49,573 --> 00:59:51,813
Speaker 3: percent increase from a decade ago. Last year it was

1246
00:59:51,853 --> 00:59:54,853
Speaker 3: one thy one hundred and eighty one cases of people

1247
00:59:54,973 --> 00:59:57,333
Speaker 3: losing limbs and most of them never see it coming.

1248
00:59:57,373 --> 01:00:00,013
Speaker 3: Diabetes complication is a big part of that. But can

1249
01:00:00,093 --> 01:00:02,213
Speaker 3: you hear from you if you or a family member

1250
01:00:02,293 --> 01:00:05,573
Speaker 3: have ever experienced limb loss, how did it change your life?

1251
01:00:05,613 --> 01:00:06,293
Speaker 3: How did you adapt?

1252
01:00:06,373 --> 01:00:07,893
Speaker 2: High time I was working under a car when the

1253
01:00:07,933 --> 01:00:10,533
Speaker 2: fronts of spens and collapsed on my index finger. I

1254
01:00:10,613 --> 01:00:13,893
Speaker 2: was stuck there for an hour before my neighbor came

1255
01:00:13,973 --> 01:00:16,453
Speaker 2: home and heard me calling for help. He jacked the

1256
01:00:16,533 --> 01:00:18,693
Speaker 2: car up to free my hand, but the end of

1257
01:00:18,733 --> 01:00:21,133
Speaker 2: my finger was missing. I was just about to try

1258
01:00:21,173 --> 01:00:23,773
Speaker 2: and cut my finger off when with my car keys,

1259
01:00:24,253 --> 01:00:26,493
Speaker 2: she's in Poh, that's pretty hardcore.

1260
01:00:27,733 --> 01:00:31,213
Speaker 3: My uncle's got like a missing finger. And he always

1261
01:00:31,213 --> 01:00:33,013
Speaker 3: told us when we were kids that a pig bitted off,

1262
01:00:33,013 --> 01:00:34,573
Speaker 3: and I thought he was joking. And then I read

1263
01:00:34,613 --> 01:00:36,893
Speaker 3: his book and it was like he was play legit.

1264
01:00:37,093 --> 01:00:38,853
Speaker 3: Yeah he was cutting and a pig but off. I

1265
01:00:38,933 --> 01:00:40,693
Speaker 3: just thought it was a silly thing. He said, it's

1266
01:00:40,733 --> 01:00:44,093
Speaker 3: a great story. I pig bited off. Actually a pig

1267
01:00:44,133 --> 01:00:46,333
Speaker 3: did by it. Oh eight hundred and ten eighties in

1268
01:00:46,413 --> 01:00:48,853
Speaker 3: Nuber to call Roger, Welcome to the show.

1269
01:00:50,333 --> 01:00:53,413
Speaker 19: Hi there, Yeah, I'm interesting about the moving fingers on

1270
01:00:53,493 --> 01:00:55,373
Speaker 19: from the West Coast. And there was a lot of

1271
01:00:55,413 --> 01:00:58,133
Speaker 19: blokes that I went scold with to the oas said,

1272
01:00:58,213 --> 01:01:01,773
Speaker 19: missing fingers, sums and even hands from the sawmills and

1273
01:01:01,853 --> 01:01:06,013
Speaker 19: the and the mindset. But I'm I'm eighty one years

1274
01:01:06,053 --> 01:01:09,213
Speaker 19: old now and I've got a brother who I've only

1275
01:01:09,293 --> 01:01:13,653
Speaker 19: even known with the missing leg. He's the oldest amputee

1276
01:01:13,693 --> 01:01:16,293
Speaker 19: in the country now, he's eighty six years old and

1277
01:01:16,373 --> 01:01:18,613
Speaker 19: he lost his lover right leg when he was five.

1278
01:01:19,213 --> 01:01:23,293
Speaker 2: Right, how did he how did he lose his leg?

1279
01:01:23,333 --> 01:01:25,853
Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking, Roger, you're not.

1280
01:01:25,933 --> 01:01:27,293
Speaker 19: Meant to play on the railway line.

1281
01:01:28,133 --> 01:01:28,613
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

1282
01:01:28,773 --> 01:01:32,853
Speaker 19: So shunting station. Shunting station right near home. And he

1283
01:01:32,933 --> 01:01:37,013
Speaker 19: got caught there, which was quite an event at the time.

1284
01:01:38,253 --> 01:01:40,453
Speaker 19: And there's a lady used to live next door who

1285
01:01:40,533 --> 01:01:42,573
Speaker 19: had her husband was a saw bu which she knew

1286
01:01:42,613 --> 01:01:44,813
Speaker 19: all the things to do. So they bundled him up

1287
01:01:44,813 --> 01:01:47,053
Speaker 19: and got him, took the sixteen miles to the hospital,

1288
01:01:47,453 --> 01:01:49,333
Speaker 19: but they got into the hospital and he's been without

1289
01:01:49,373 --> 01:01:51,693
Speaker 19: a leg ever since then. He had a peg all

1290
01:01:51,693 --> 01:01:55,693
Speaker 19: the way through his school days and then when he

1291
01:01:55,813 --> 01:01:58,293
Speaker 19: was about twenty he got a proper prosthetic leg with

1292
01:01:58,333 --> 01:02:01,533
Speaker 19: a foot on it. And he never ever told any

1293
01:02:01,613 --> 01:02:04,733
Speaker 19: potential employees that he was an deputee and they only

1294
01:02:04,773 --> 01:02:07,173
Speaker 19: found out later on and they were offer him things

1295
01:02:07,253 --> 01:02:10,173
Speaker 19: like car parks with two down. He never ever had

1296
01:02:10,213 --> 01:02:13,413
Speaker 19: an ability sticker for his car. He worked and can't

1297
01:02:13,453 --> 01:02:17,533
Speaker 19: assembly atuit of major plants in New Zealand, and then

1298
01:02:17,573 --> 01:02:20,453
Speaker 19: he retired to Nelson and he's still living at Nelson,

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01:02:20,733 --> 01:02:23,053
Speaker 19: only just recently he lost his driver's license because of

1300
01:02:23,053 --> 01:02:26,053
Speaker 19: his eyesight, but uptill then he was still driving and

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01:02:26,213 --> 01:02:29,173
Speaker 19: now he gets around on a mobility scooter and he

1302
01:02:29,253 --> 01:02:32,573
Speaker 19: has still never applied for or gone for any of

1303
01:02:32,653 --> 01:02:35,253
Speaker 19: the ability allowances through having no leg. He just figured

1304
01:02:35,293 --> 01:02:37,053
Speaker 19: that he didn't have a leg and that was tough

1305
01:02:37,173 --> 01:02:37,893
Speaker 19: luck to get on with it.

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01:02:39,373 --> 01:02:43,813
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's inspirational stuff there there, Roger.

1307
01:02:43,973 --> 01:02:44,453
Speaker 8: I think it was.

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01:02:45,093 --> 01:02:47,573
Speaker 19: I find him very inspirational. Yeah, I do, I really do.

1309
01:02:47,853 --> 01:02:49,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1310
01:02:49,453 --> 01:02:49,933
Speaker 3: Was there anything?

1311
01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:51,213
Speaker 19: He's an outstanding.

1312
01:02:50,933 --> 01:02:53,133
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean to push through that and adapt to that.

1313
01:02:53,253 --> 01:02:56,533
Speaker 3: I mean, was there frustration from him sometimes or you

1314
01:02:56,613 --> 01:02:57,613
Speaker 3: never really witnessed that.

1315
01:02:57,653 --> 01:03:01,293
Speaker 19: He just yeah, yeah, there was at times. One of

1316
01:03:01,333 --> 01:03:04,453
Speaker 19: the fundersides was that in there one of the cupboards

1317
01:03:04,493 --> 01:03:06,933
Speaker 19: in the house there was a bundle of ripe shoes

1318
01:03:07,013 --> 01:03:09,813
Speaker 19: because when you brought a parish, he only ever needed one,

1319
01:03:10,253 --> 01:03:12,653
Speaker 19: and then you're growing up you change shoes quite often,

1320
01:03:13,093 --> 01:03:15,013
Speaker 19: and so all you ever had was there was a

1321
01:03:15,053 --> 01:03:17,653
Speaker 19: peg on his right hand side, and so we had

1322
01:03:17,693 --> 01:03:21,373
Speaker 19: all these shoes that were there. But at primary school

1323
01:03:21,533 --> 01:03:24,053
Speaker 19: he was allowed to hop four races, which he's gotten

1324
01:03:24,173 --> 01:03:27,893
Speaker 19: faster than trying to run with both legs, with his

1325
01:03:28,293 --> 01:03:30,653
Speaker 19: with his peg because he's got his knee and with

1326
01:03:30,813 --> 01:03:33,333
Speaker 19: his peg he could smack us football like nobody else could.

1327
01:03:33,613 --> 01:03:37,133
Speaker 19: It was like smacking that was a baseball. And as

1328
01:03:37,213 --> 01:03:39,693
Speaker 19: he was growing, Dad would cut pieces of car tire

1329
01:03:40,013 --> 01:03:41,973
Speaker 19: and put them underneath his peg to kick the lenks

1330
01:03:42,013 --> 01:03:46,533
Speaker 19: about the same as his growing leg. Right. It was

1331
01:03:46,573 --> 01:03:49,293
Speaker 19: a really really hard stuff because he'd have to go

1332
01:03:49,333 --> 01:03:51,333
Speaker 19: to the hospital every now and then. We're on the

1333
01:03:51,373 --> 01:03:53,413
Speaker 19: coast and he'd come over to christ Church and then

1334
01:03:53,413 --> 01:03:55,693
Speaker 19: they'd have to go and operate and cut they've shortened

1335
01:03:55,733 --> 01:03:57,613
Speaker 19: the bone because the bone would grow the other through

1336
01:03:57,693 --> 01:04:00,773
Speaker 19: the skin and as he was doing through his normal growth,

1337
01:04:00,853 --> 01:04:02,173
Speaker 19: so they have to go and cut pieces off his

1338
01:04:02,293 --> 01:04:04,933
Speaker 19: bone and they're put him back together again. And he

1339
01:04:05,133 --> 01:04:07,773
Speaker 19: just went through all of that there and this is

1340
01:04:07,813 --> 01:04:09,293
Speaker 19: the most place break you didn't meet.

1341
01:04:09,733 --> 01:04:14,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, how was he treated at school?

1342
01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:16,013
Speaker 8: You know?

1343
01:04:17,573 --> 01:04:19,453
Speaker 19: It was a bit of a hero, but of the

1344
01:04:19,533 --> 01:04:22,853
Speaker 19: hero yeah, yeah, yeah he was. And but he was

1345
01:04:22,893 --> 01:04:25,733
Speaker 19: a very very good student and he could part absolutely everything.

1346
01:04:25,813 --> 01:04:28,133
Speaker 19: He never went to the sideline. If it was swimming,

1347
01:04:28,173 --> 01:04:30,853
Speaker 19: he went swimming. If it was athletics, and athletics he

1348
01:04:31,013 --> 01:04:33,533
Speaker 19: just spent all the ways through with absolutely everything. He

1349
01:04:33,653 --> 01:04:36,533
Speaker 19: never he never, he never saw losing the limp as

1350
01:04:36,573 --> 01:04:40,133
Speaker 19: any reason at all to disqualify himself from anything at all.

1351
01:04:40,413 --> 01:04:42,493
Speaker 3: One an incredible human everything.

1352
01:04:42,733 --> 01:04:43,653
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, what a.

1353
01:04:43,653 --> 01:04:45,093
Speaker 3: Great man your brother is, Roger.

1354
01:04:45,213 --> 01:04:48,133
Speaker 2: There's an awesome story six now.

1355
01:04:48,373 --> 01:04:50,333
Speaker 19: Yeah, he's only six now and and and he meets

1356
01:04:50,373 --> 01:04:54,053
Speaker 19: with another bunch of emputees up and Nelson and they

1357
01:04:54,133 --> 01:04:55,693
Speaker 19: call it the one Legan Club, even that it's not

1358
01:04:55,813 --> 01:04:58,693
Speaker 19: just one league, but they have these great social times together.

1359
01:04:59,333 --> 01:05:01,853
Speaker 19: But yeah, yes, he's just so, he's never he's never

1360
01:05:02,533 --> 01:05:05,133
Speaker 19: played off in any way, shape or form. He just

1361
01:05:05,453 --> 01:05:07,573
Speaker 19: embraced his life every day as it comes to him.

1362
01:05:07,813 --> 01:05:10,813
Speaker 2: Now that's the Yeah, don't take this the wrong way,

1363
01:05:10,893 --> 01:05:13,573
Speaker 2: because I mean this is nothing but nothing but a compliment.

1364
01:05:13,613 --> 01:05:15,573
Speaker 2: But he reminds me of a dog when it loses

1365
01:05:15,613 --> 01:05:17,813
Speaker 2: its a leg and just gets on with it and

1366
01:05:18,013 --> 01:05:21,373
Speaker 2: doesn't dwell on the past. And when you see a

1367
01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:23,133
Speaker 2: dog running around with the other dogs and it's only

1368
01:05:23,213 --> 01:05:25,893
Speaker 2: got three legs and it doesn't yeh. I find that

1369
01:05:25,973 --> 01:05:29,733
Speaker 2: inspirational as a human, you know, looking forward instead of back.

1370
01:05:29,853 --> 01:05:31,133
Speaker 3: Their mentality hasn't changed.

1371
01:05:31,653 --> 01:05:34,533
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been like at always like

1372
01:05:34,613 --> 01:05:35,253
Speaker 19: as much to say.

1373
01:05:35,573 --> 01:05:37,293
Speaker 3: And so when he when he got when he got

1374
01:05:37,373 --> 01:05:40,293
Speaker 3: the new Prospectic prosthetic at the age of twenty, was

1375
01:05:40,333 --> 01:05:42,853
Speaker 3: he excited by that? Did that change anything? Or is

1376
01:05:42,893 --> 01:05:44,773
Speaker 3: it just the ability to hide it?

1377
01:05:44,813 --> 01:05:47,613
Speaker 19: I suppose now where it did trains things was you

1378
01:05:47,653 --> 01:05:49,093
Speaker 19: could look look at him as long crowds on and

1379
01:05:49,133 --> 01:05:52,333
Speaker 19: you had two feet right, And that was the biggest, biggest,

1380
01:05:52,453 --> 01:05:55,213
Speaker 19: single thing, because his walking was quite good, a little

1381
01:05:55,253 --> 01:05:58,413
Speaker 19: bit of a throw on one side. And as prosthetics

1382
01:05:58,453 --> 01:06:03,013
Speaker 19: got better, they're going to more from the nineteen seventies

1383
01:06:03,133 --> 01:06:06,973
Speaker 19: nineteen eighties on. They're much better finished than things like that.

1384
01:06:07,013 --> 01:06:09,453
Speaker 19: So it didn't even wear sandals with socks, and that

1385
01:06:09,533 --> 01:06:10,293
Speaker 19: was not fesgetable.

1386
01:06:10,653 --> 01:06:14,933
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, and it might be at the moment

1387
01:06:15,493 --> 01:06:16,493
Speaker 3: Roger might be coming there.

1388
01:06:18,093 --> 01:06:21,213
Speaker 19: But what is then, as probably from about probably from

1389
01:06:21,213 --> 01:06:24,333
Speaker 19: about nineteen seventy seventy two hosts, he took to wearing

1390
01:06:24,373 --> 01:06:26,933
Speaker 19: shorts because he founded hot from Nelson, so he wears

1391
01:06:26,973 --> 01:06:29,533
Speaker 19: shorts and he was renowned up there as the one

1392
01:06:29,653 --> 01:06:32,373
Speaker 19: legged guy. Or wasn't he shorts with his red City

1393
01:06:32,373 --> 01:06:33,453
Speaker 19: of Baker truck And that was.

1394
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:36,813
Speaker 3: And what kind of did you.

1395
01:06:36,893 --> 01:06:38,533
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not sure if I missed this, Roger.

1396
01:06:38,573 --> 01:06:40,293
Speaker 2: But what kind of work has he he been in

1397
01:06:40,373 --> 01:06:41,053
Speaker 2: across his life?

1398
01:06:42,453 --> 01:06:46,493
Speaker 19: Car assembly? Yeah, he was in Kara written on written

1399
01:06:46,533 --> 01:06:49,253
Speaker 19: on the assembly lines, and then he was into stock control,

1400
01:06:49,333 --> 01:06:51,813
Speaker 19: and then he moved to the Nelson and he was

1401
01:06:51,853 --> 01:06:55,293
Speaker 19: with char assembled there again. And then when they finished

1402
01:06:55,333 --> 01:06:58,333
Speaker 19: up being Honda closed plant. But so that was that

1403
01:06:58,493 --> 01:06:59,973
Speaker 19: was his whole life was in car assembly.

1404
01:07:00,213 --> 01:07:03,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, and is he did he did he have a partner,

1405
01:07:03,373 --> 01:07:04,333
Speaker 3: wife and kids and such?

1406
01:07:04,653 --> 01:07:07,253
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, yeah, he lost his wife about four years ago,

1407
01:07:07,693 --> 01:07:09,333
Speaker 19: so he's still it's still lives alone in the same

1408
01:07:09,413 --> 01:07:12,253
Speaker 19: house that he had in nineteen seventy one up at Nelson,

1409
01:07:12,373 --> 01:07:14,933
Speaker 19: still lives in the same house. Yep, yep.

1410
01:07:15,453 --> 01:07:18,653
Speaker 3: What an incredible Yeah, what an incredible brother you've got, Roger.

1411
01:07:19,053 --> 01:07:21,133
Speaker 19: Yeah he is, he is, Yeah, he is is the

1412
01:07:21,173 --> 01:07:22,853
Speaker 19: coolest dude on earth.

1413
01:07:22,973 --> 01:07:23,173
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1414
01:07:23,573 --> 01:07:25,093
Speaker 3: Well, well, next time you talk to him, can you

1415
01:07:25,493 --> 01:07:27,533
Speaker 3: extend our admiration for him?

1416
01:07:28,333 --> 01:07:31,413
Speaker 19: I will, I will, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good stuff.

1417
01:07:31,533 --> 01:07:33,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, Roger, thank you very much. What a great call.

1418
01:07:33,813 --> 01:07:35,853
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear

1419
01:07:35,893 --> 01:07:38,733
Speaker 3: from you. If you've got a family member who lost

1420
01:07:38,773 --> 01:07:41,133
Speaker 3: a limb? Will you yourself? How did you cope emotionally

1421
01:07:41,213 --> 01:07:43,453
Speaker 3: and practically with that sudden limb loss?

1422
01:07:44,133 --> 01:07:46,453
Speaker 2: It says, hey, team, my dad recently lost his finger

1423
01:07:46,573 --> 01:07:50,773
Speaker 2: using a band saw without the guard the kicker. He

1424
01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:53,333
Speaker 2: was the health and safety manager for a landscaping company

1425
01:07:53,413 --> 01:07:53,853
Speaker 2: at the time.

1426
01:07:54,293 --> 01:07:56,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, far round, that would have hurt. Oh eight one

1427
01:07:56,773 --> 01:07:58,573
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighties. And a number to call. It's

1428
01:07:58,653 --> 01:07:59,613
Speaker 3: nineteen to three.

1429
01:08:00,853 --> 01:08:04,973
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

1430
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:08,053
Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

1431
01:08:07,853 --> 01:08:10,853
Speaker 3: Say'd be very good afternoon to you. It is sixteen

1432
01:08:11,013 --> 01:08:14,093
Speaker 3: to three. So have you or a family member experienced

1433
01:08:14,173 --> 01:08:16,893
Speaker 3: limb loss unexpectedly? How did it change your life?

1434
01:08:17,572 --> 01:08:19,492
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty eight, was sitting on a bus near

1435
01:08:19,653 --> 01:08:22,772
Speaker 2: tu Dongy says this text that we were on school camp.

1436
01:08:22,853 --> 01:08:25,732
Speaker 2: As we drove along, a motorcyclist driving the opposite direction

1437
01:08:25,973 --> 01:08:29,333
Speaker 2: drove straight into a deep ravine bordering the road. We

1438
01:08:29,452 --> 01:08:32,613
Speaker 2: stopped and the teacher went to his aid. Mister Jorgenson

1439
01:08:32,973 --> 01:08:35,013
Speaker 2: climbed into the ravine. I love that we've got the name,

1440
01:08:35,652 --> 01:08:37,652
Speaker 2: and came back with a whole human leg under his arm.

1441
01:08:38,173 --> 01:08:40,772
Speaker 2: I've often wondered how the poor man managed such a

1442
01:08:40,973 --> 01:08:44,052
Speaker 2: horrific injury. Yeah, that would have been It's full noise.

1443
01:08:44,133 --> 01:08:46,492
Speaker 3: I mean for mister Jorgenson and the kids to just

1444
01:08:46,692 --> 01:08:49,133
Speaker 3: bring back the limb. Yes, so we're in trouble here.

1445
01:08:49,173 --> 01:08:51,333
Speaker 3: All this man's in trouble. On parents visiting day, there

1446
01:08:51,333 --> 01:08:52,492
Speaker 3: would have been a lot of stories about that.

1447
01:08:52,572 --> 01:08:53,012
Speaker 17: I mentioned.

1448
01:08:53,133 --> 01:08:57,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's happened so far? Mister Jorgenson came up from

1449
01:08:57,093 --> 01:08:58,452
Speaker 2: the ravine with a whole human leg.

1450
01:08:58,572 --> 01:08:59,612
Speaker 3: It's a full noise story.

1451
01:09:00,652 --> 01:09:03,492
Speaker 2: Phil, welcome to the show. You've had a partial limb replacement,

1452
01:09:03,532 --> 01:09:05,933
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, my.

1453
01:09:06,093 --> 01:09:11,333
Speaker 4: Ring half of my right end league nearly three years.

1454
01:09:11,093 --> 01:09:13,012
Speaker 3: Ago, right, and what happened?

1455
01:09:13,053 --> 01:09:17,973
Speaker 4: Phil? Diabetes? Not listening to a doctor, So.

1456
01:09:18,173 --> 01:09:20,293
Speaker 2: And so what's your current situation now? So you've had

1457
01:09:20,333 --> 01:09:23,972
Speaker 2: a partial limb replacement? What does that exactly mean, Phil.

1458
01:09:24,973 --> 01:09:28,612
Speaker 4: I'll go a prosthetic leg. So basically they cut the

1459
01:09:28,732 --> 01:09:32,572
Speaker 4: leg off about one hundred mills below my knee, and

1460
01:09:34,013 --> 01:09:36,772
Speaker 4: then I was in a wheelchair for three months until

1461
01:09:37,333 --> 01:09:41,093
Speaker 4: the swelling came down, and then they fit a prosthetic

1462
01:09:41,492 --> 01:09:45,213
Speaker 4: leg and it's basically like two ice cream cones. Going together,

1463
01:09:46,133 --> 01:09:48,253
Speaker 4: so you have to have a taper there, so it

1464
01:09:48,492 --> 01:09:53,652
Speaker 4: kind of there's a suction fit. So yeah, friends and

1465
01:09:53,732 --> 01:09:57,213
Speaker 4: family around you in that period of time when you

1466
01:09:57,333 --> 01:09:59,492
Speaker 4: can't do a hell of a lot yourself type thing,

1467
01:10:00,412 --> 01:10:04,452
Speaker 4: and the people where I was in net Auckland Hospital

1468
01:10:04,532 --> 01:10:08,013
Speaker 4: at the vascular there, you can praise them enough for

1469
01:10:08,492 --> 01:10:13,053
Speaker 4: the effort and then get sent to rehab and you

1470
01:10:13,173 --> 01:10:15,732
Speaker 4: have to learn how to walk again basically, and you

1471
01:10:15,853 --> 01:10:19,732
Speaker 4: think it's simple, but trying to walk and not have

1472
01:10:19,973 --> 01:10:23,652
Speaker 4: any flecks in your ankle type thing and get your

1473
01:10:23,732 --> 01:10:26,172
Speaker 4: balance back, it's a bit of a challenge.

1474
01:10:26,732 --> 01:10:29,412
Speaker 3: And how is your mobility now a few years on

1475
01:10:29,612 --> 01:10:30,253
Speaker 3: from that film?

1476
01:10:31,973 --> 01:10:35,532
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's okay. Walking big distances that you know,

1477
01:10:36,013 --> 01:10:38,932
Speaker 4: I will either walk with a walking stick uneven ground

1478
01:10:39,692 --> 01:10:42,852
Speaker 4: is a challenge for people like myself. You know, you

1479
01:10:42,973 --> 01:10:44,932
Speaker 4: hit a pothole when you end up on the ground

1480
01:10:44,973 --> 01:10:48,173
Speaker 4: type of thing, because you, like I say, you don't

1481
01:10:48,253 --> 01:10:51,532
Speaker 4: realize how much flex in your ankle makes a difference

1482
01:10:51,812 --> 01:10:55,492
Speaker 4: and it just kind of throws you off balance and.

1483
01:10:57,053 --> 01:10:58,253
Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, now you continue film.

1484
01:10:58,293 --> 01:11:03,133
Speaker 4: Sorry, and then they send you to a place called

1485
01:11:03,173 --> 01:11:07,012
Speaker 4: the Artificial limp Center. There's one in mont and Auckland

1486
01:11:07,093 --> 01:11:10,772
Speaker 4: here and once again, the people there they cannot do

1487
01:11:11,133 --> 01:11:15,213
Speaker 4: enough for you. You know, it's you know, like you say,

1488
01:11:15,293 --> 01:11:17,572
Speaker 4: it's a major part of your life type of thing,

1489
01:11:18,013 --> 01:11:21,692
Speaker 4: a changing your life for other And when you're kind

1490
01:11:21,732 --> 01:11:25,492
Speaker 4: of down, when you've got people that support you like that,

1491
01:11:26,013 --> 01:11:28,172
Speaker 4: you know, they come and visit you in the hospital

1492
01:11:28,253 --> 01:11:31,372
Speaker 4: before you believe. And you know, like I say, the

1493
01:11:31,452 --> 01:11:36,532
Speaker 4: people there, you just can't get enough help type thing.

1494
01:11:36,933 --> 01:11:38,933
Speaker 4: They just go overboard type thing for you.

1495
01:11:39,492 --> 01:11:41,892
Speaker 2: Not good on you, and good on them for helping out.

1496
01:11:41,973 --> 01:11:44,652
Speaker 2: Now when you say that, you're you know, you weren't

1497
01:11:44,652 --> 01:11:46,652
Speaker 2: listening to the warnings of your doctor.

1498
01:11:47,213 --> 01:11:48,133
Speaker 3: Can you talk us through that?

1499
01:11:49,333 --> 01:11:53,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, Blood sugars. About five years ago, I lost my

1500
01:11:54,133 --> 01:11:57,572
Speaker 4: big toe on that same foot and they amputated the

1501
01:11:57,612 --> 01:12:01,932
Speaker 4: big toe, and that was because I had bad blood

1502
01:12:01,973 --> 01:12:06,412
Speaker 4: flow through my leg and it was only forty percent

1503
01:12:06,492 --> 01:12:09,412
Speaker 4: blood flow going down to my foot past my knee,

1504
01:12:10,013 --> 01:12:15,493
Speaker 4: and that's where the ulcer started and turned to gangreen.

1505
01:12:15,933 --> 01:12:18,492
Speaker 4: So I ended up in the hospital there. And then

1506
01:12:19,492 --> 01:12:22,652
Speaker 4: three years later I was still going to diatists and

1507
01:12:22,772 --> 01:12:26,013
Speaker 4: doctors and there was a crack on my heel and

1508
01:12:26,692 --> 01:12:29,532
Speaker 4: he looked like it was healing. Up fine, and there's

1509
01:12:29,652 --> 01:12:32,932
Speaker 4: like a hole that was maybe about ten millimeters round

1510
01:12:33,013 --> 01:12:36,092
Speaker 4: on my heel and then tend to set the situs

1511
01:12:36,213 --> 01:12:38,652
Speaker 4: and ended up in the hospital and they tried for

1512
01:12:39,133 --> 01:12:43,452
Speaker 4: three weeks to kind of make it all better, and

1513
01:12:43,812 --> 01:12:46,293
Speaker 4: unfortunately it was right over Christmas. I went to the

1514
01:12:46,372 --> 01:12:49,732
Speaker 4: hospital on the eighth of December and was here over

1515
01:12:49,893 --> 01:12:50,932
Speaker 4: Christmas and New Years.

1516
01:12:52,333 --> 01:12:55,532
Speaker 2: And have you been listening to your doctor since then?

1517
01:12:55,732 --> 01:12:58,173
Speaker 2: I mean, is there any any any other dangers of

1518
01:12:58,333 --> 01:13:01,572
Speaker 2: any other in the same sort of realm.

1519
01:13:02,853 --> 01:13:08,013
Speaker 4: Well, diabetes affects kind of legs and yet extremities like

1520
01:13:08,093 --> 01:13:12,572
Speaker 4: your eyes and fixed your eyes in your things like that,

1521
01:13:12,812 --> 01:13:17,732
Speaker 4: So you need kind of medicines type thing in any slight,

1522
01:13:18,412 --> 01:13:23,293
Speaker 4: any slight injuries, you know, you go and see the

1523
01:13:23,372 --> 01:13:26,772
Speaker 4: doctors straight away, because you know, it happened so quickly.

1524
01:13:27,293 --> 01:13:31,213
Speaker 4: And that's what I found, that happened so quickly. And

1525
01:13:33,133 --> 01:13:36,372
Speaker 4: like like what you were saying before about the technology

1526
01:13:36,492 --> 01:13:40,412
Speaker 4: game better and better, Well, the socket that goes over

1527
01:13:40,492 --> 01:13:43,972
Speaker 4: my leg, that's actually three D printed. It's a plastic

1528
01:13:44,053 --> 01:13:47,253
Speaker 4: socket that goes over and it's three D printed. And

1529
01:13:47,612 --> 01:13:50,213
Speaker 4: they said to me at the time, they said, you

1530
01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:54,453
Speaker 4: can thank the American military for the amount of technology

1531
01:13:54,532 --> 01:13:57,213
Speaker 4: that's come through and what do you mean They said, well,

1532
01:13:57,293 --> 01:14:02,093
Speaker 4: there's that many Army and Air Force people that have

1533
01:14:02,253 --> 01:14:06,813
Speaker 4: lost limbs there the military side of things have developed

1534
01:14:06,933 --> 01:14:10,812
Speaker 4: so much in the proceetic But you can understand when

1535
01:14:10,853 --> 01:14:12,492
Speaker 4: they say it like that typaling.

1536
01:14:12,412 --> 01:14:16,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And so you know, what would you say

1537
01:14:17,013 --> 01:14:19,732
Speaker 2: to people that have been getting these kind of messages

1538
01:14:19,772 --> 01:14:21,852
Speaker 2: from the doctor that you need to make these changes

1539
01:14:21,893 --> 01:14:23,692
Speaker 2: and stuff. So this can happen now that you're on

1540
01:14:23,772 --> 01:14:26,173
Speaker 2: the other side of it as anyway you can get

1541
01:14:26,572 --> 01:14:28,852
Speaker 2: that sort of message through to people how important it

1542
01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:32,972
Speaker 2: is to make those changes that that medical professional medical

1543
01:14:32,973 --> 01:14:34,133
Speaker 2: professionals are asking you to make.

1544
01:14:35,933 --> 01:14:39,253
Speaker 4: Basically, if you want your mobility and you want to

1545
01:14:39,572 --> 01:14:42,852
Speaker 4: have good health, yeah, just listen to your doctors. It

1546
01:14:43,053 --> 01:14:45,093
Speaker 4: was quite funny. I'll tell your funny story. When I

1547
01:14:45,173 --> 01:14:47,133
Speaker 4: was in the hospital and they went wheel meet around

1548
01:14:47,213 --> 01:14:50,572
Speaker 4: in the wheelchair. I came past the nurses station and

1549
01:14:50,652 --> 01:14:52,293
Speaker 4: there was a guy sitting there, he must have been

1550
01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:54,692
Speaker 4: in his thirties, and they had about an eight year

1551
01:14:54,732 --> 01:14:57,772
Speaker 4: old son sitting down beside them, topling. And the kid

1552
01:14:57,893 --> 01:15:01,012
Speaker 4: looks at me and says to me, mister, what happened

1553
01:15:01,053 --> 01:15:03,492
Speaker 4: to your leg. And I had heard this on the

1554
01:15:03,612 --> 01:15:06,732
Speaker 4: radio once before about someone else. I said it was

1555
01:15:06,853 --> 01:15:10,492
Speaker 4: like this. I was little, I was eating too many

1556
01:15:10,572 --> 01:15:13,652
Speaker 4: lollies and it rotted my leg. I never listened to

1557
01:15:13,772 --> 01:15:16,772
Speaker 4: my doctors and mum, and it rotted my leg and

1558
01:15:16,853 --> 01:15:19,372
Speaker 4: they had to cut it off. And the father's kind

1559
01:15:19,372 --> 01:15:21,932
Speaker 4: of sitting beside him on the floor and looks down

1560
01:15:22,013 --> 01:15:23,692
Speaker 4: to him and says, I told you so.

1561
01:15:25,772 --> 01:15:27,973
Speaker 3: That's a great story, Phil. Thank you so much for

1562
01:15:28,013 --> 01:15:30,372
Speaker 3: your call, Phil, and all the best. Yeah, thank you

1563
01:15:30,452 --> 01:15:32,852
Speaker 3: so much for giving us a call. It is nine

1564
01:15:32,933 --> 01:15:34,892
Speaker 3: minutes to three, But taking your calls a w one

1565
01:15:34,973 --> 01:15:37,052
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you were a family

1566
01:15:37,133 --> 01:15:39,293
Speaker 3: member lost to limb, what was it like to adapt

1567
01:15:39,333 --> 01:15:40,213
Speaker 3: to that can?

1568
01:15:40,253 --> 01:15:40,652
Speaker 4: To hear you.

1569
01:15:42,133 --> 01:15:44,532
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1570
01:15:44,612 --> 01:15:48,813
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

1571
01:15:48,532 --> 01:15:50,372
Speaker 3: REBB News Talks.

1572
01:15:50,412 --> 01:15:50,652
Speaker 12: There b.

1573
01:15:50,853 --> 01:15:54,532
Speaker 3: It is six minutes to three, Carol, how are you

1574
01:15:54,572 --> 01:15:55,172
Speaker 3: this afternoon?

1575
01:15:56,213 --> 01:16:00,452
Speaker 13: Yes, Carol, I've got lots of thoughts running through my head.

1576
01:16:00,492 --> 01:16:04,692
Speaker 13: It's most interesting here about these wonderful people who have

1577
01:16:04,853 --> 01:16:09,133
Speaker 13: coped so well with disabilities. Now I've actually had two

1578
01:16:09,692 --> 01:16:12,772
Speaker 13: hips done. I've got my legs, but they're not what

1579
01:16:12,933 --> 01:16:16,933
Speaker 13: they ought to be. I've got diabetes and recently I

1580
01:16:17,412 --> 01:16:21,012
Speaker 13: sadly was knocked and I've got concussion and a little

1581
01:16:21,133 --> 01:16:24,652
Speaker 13: scrape on my leg turned into an ulcer. And you know,

1582
01:16:24,973 --> 01:16:29,013
Speaker 13: it's twelve months I've had treated and it's only just

1583
01:16:29,333 --> 01:16:32,253
Speaker 13: coming right. So that's one thing.

1584
01:16:32,732 --> 01:16:33,173
Speaker 14: But my.

1585
01:16:35,093 --> 01:16:40,053
Speaker 13: Late husband, he had part of his thumb cart and

1586
01:16:40,173 --> 01:16:43,812
Speaker 13: the next little finger, well do you know he learned

1587
01:16:43,893 --> 01:16:48,052
Speaker 13: how to do up shoelaces with us using the second

1588
01:16:48,293 --> 01:16:52,213
Speaker 13: finger as it were as a thumb. And it's amazing

1589
01:16:52,372 --> 01:16:56,492
Speaker 13: what these disabilities do. But I find now I've got

1590
01:16:56,732 --> 01:17:02,293
Speaker 13: several disabilities. Diabetes been one. And my dead dad was

1591
01:17:02,412 --> 01:17:09,612
Speaker 13: down in Dneedin, troubled with heart and diabetes. Well they

1592
01:17:09,652 --> 01:17:13,692
Speaker 13: were taking his leg and he died on the operating table.

1593
01:17:14,173 --> 01:17:16,532
Speaker 13: Now I've got to say that actually was a blessing.

1594
01:17:16,612 --> 01:17:21,293
Speaker 13: He never would have coped without that leg, so that

1595
01:17:21,492 --> 01:17:25,173
Speaker 13: was a blessing in disguise. Only had to be transported

1596
01:17:25,293 --> 01:17:29,133
Speaker 13: back up to Willington for funeral on there. But I

1597
01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:32,372
Speaker 13: look at people now and I can see them in

1598
01:17:32,532 --> 01:17:37,412
Speaker 13: our ber heart. We have so many with limbs, walking sticks,

1599
01:17:37,732 --> 01:17:40,452
Speaker 13: walking frame. I've got one given to me, and if

1600
01:17:40,532 --> 01:17:43,333
Speaker 13: I have to walk a little distance, I take the

1601
01:17:43,452 --> 01:17:45,293
Speaker 13: frame because it keeps me balanced.

1602
01:17:45,532 --> 01:17:45,692
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1603
01:17:45,772 --> 01:17:48,213
Speaker 3: Good for you, Carol. Well you've got to keep balance.

1604
01:17:48,253 --> 01:17:51,013
Speaker 3: It's hugely important. Yeah, nicely said Carol. Thank you very

1605
01:17:51,093 --> 01:17:51,932
Speaker 3: much for calling us.

1606
01:17:52,333 --> 01:17:54,253
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, my dad lost both his legs after the

1607
01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:56,892
Speaker 2: Second World War, one above and one below the knee.

1608
01:17:56,893 --> 01:17:58,692
Speaker 2: He was in the navy on several different boats in

1609
01:17:58,732 --> 01:18:03,732
Speaker 2: the Southern Ocean. He didn't he didn't let it stop him.

1610
01:18:03,933 --> 01:18:05,732
Speaker 2: He dug out a swim pool and painted his house

1611
01:18:05,812 --> 01:18:07,892
Speaker 2: up on the scaffolding, sitting on his bum. Lived till

1612
01:18:07,893 --> 01:18:08,293
Speaker 2: his eighties.

1613
01:18:08,412 --> 01:18:10,692
Speaker 3: Rayman, there you go on your great story. I mean,

1614
01:18:10,732 --> 01:18:12,452
Speaker 3: what a father you've got there, Ray when or head

1615
01:18:12,452 --> 01:18:13,013
Speaker 3: I should say?

1616
01:18:13,372 --> 01:18:13,492
Speaker 14: Uh?

1617
01:18:13,732 --> 01:18:18,013
Speaker 3: And this one today, guys, Tony here, I have been

1618
01:18:18,093 --> 01:18:22,093
Speaker 3: struggling with an amputated limb for a long time. But

1619
01:18:22,173 --> 01:18:24,692
Speaker 3: you just adapt because what other choice do you have

1620
01:18:24,853 --> 01:18:27,133
Speaker 3: a lot of us out there, Thank you very much.

1621
01:18:27,253 --> 01:18:29,532
Speaker 3: And this Texas says that he has a third leg.

1622
01:18:30,093 --> 01:18:32,253
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, that's interesting, but that is very interesting. Not

1623
01:18:32,293 --> 01:18:34,053
Speaker 2: really what we're talking about there a little bit.

1624
01:18:34,053 --> 01:18:37,013
Speaker 3: They filed that one, but thank you very much. Nonetheless, right,

1625
01:18:37,093 --> 01:18:39,492
Speaker 3: great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called

1626
01:18:39,532 --> 01:18:45,372
Speaker 3: antis coming up after three o'clock meetings impressive impressive. Third

1627
01:18:45,452 --> 01:18:48,812
Speaker 3: leg it is three minutes to three.

1628
01:18:49,013 --> 01:18:49,612
Speaker 12: You sport a.

1629
01:18:49,652 --> 01:18:53,773
Speaker 3: Weather fast approaching Stay right here, will be back very shortly.

1630
01:18:53,732 --> 01:19:01,133
Speaker 1: Post your new home for instateful and entertaining Talk. It's

1631
01:19:01,333 --> 01:19:05,452
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

1632
01:19:06,372 --> 01:19:08,572
Speaker 3: Hello to you, Welcome back into the show. It's six

1633
01:19:08,692 --> 01:19:11,452
Speaker 3: past three now, Tyler. For the longest time, I've been

1634
01:19:11,532 --> 01:19:14,372
Speaker 3: going on to you privately and publicly about Kiwi fruit,

1635
01:19:14,812 --> 01:19:17,013
Speaker 3: how good they are for you. Massive convert you are.

1636
01:19:17,173 --> 01:19:19,732
Speaker 2: Yes, I have four Kiwi fruit today and I eat

1637
01:19:19,812 --> 01:19:22,372
Speaker 2: them like an apple through the skin. Now yep, love

1638
01:19:22,412 --> 01:19:26,293
Speaker 2: it And much to the chagrin of my lovely partner Tracy.

1639
01:19:26,412 --> 01:19:30,852
Speaker 2: She she gets visibly disgusted the way I eat a

1640
01:19:31,492 --> 01:19:34,732
Speaker 2: Kiwi fruit. Why, just because she thinks you the key

1641
01:19:34,812 --> 01:19:36,892
Speaker 2: food is delicious and when you eat the skin as well,

1642
01:19:37,492 --> 01:19:40,173
Speaker 2: you are kind of destroying something that's a treat and

1643
01:19:40,253 --> 01:19:42,572
Speaker 2: just turning it into a chore.

1644
01:19:42,853 --> 01:19:46,012
Speaker 3: I couldn't disagree more. Yeah, so you do you just yeah,

1645
01:19:46,093 --> 01:19:48,133
Speaker 3: even with the even with the green, the fury ones

1646
01:19:48,253 --> 01:19:50,133
Speaker 3: like the standard green Kiwi fruit. Got to go for

1647
01:19:50,173 --> 01:19:51,852
Speaker 3: the green for the for the benefits that I'm talking

1648
01:19:51,893 --> 01:19:54,052
Speaker 3: about here. But yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's that perfect

1649
01:19:54,133 --> 01:19:55,892
Speaker 3: amount of sour and sweet.

1650
01:19:56,013 --> 01:19:56,412
Speaker 1: I love it.

1651
01:19:56,492 --> 01:19:58,892
Speaker 3: It's that whole experience. If I just get the flesh,

1652
01:19:59,452 --> 01:20:01,333
Speaker 3: then it's too sweet for my liking. I need a

1653
01:20:01,372 --> 01:20:03,173
Speaker 3: little bit of a tang. Yeah. Well, so what I

1654
01:20:03,253 --> 01:20:04,852
Speaker 3: do is I bite through and then you know, I'll

1655
01:20:05,372 --> 01:20:08,293
Speaker 3: eat the husk of it out like like golumn destroy

1656
01:20:08,492 --> 01:20:10,652
Speaker 3: a fish, and then I'll suck on it and then

1657
01:20:10,652 --> 01:20:13,972
Speaker 3: I'll to the skin afterwards, which might be waste. She's

1658
01:20:13,973 --> 01:20:14,932
Speaker 3: just for long.

1659
01:20:14,973 --> 01:20:17,173
Speaker 2: But anyway, this has just come through. A study on

1660
01:20:17,293 --> 01:20:19,333
Speaker 2: kiwi fruit has just come through. Yeah, there's just been

1661
01:20:19,412 --> 01:20:22,013
Speaker 2: sent to me because people know how much I love them.

1662
01:20:22,372 --> 01:20:25,772
Speaker 2: And look, if you eat the kiwi fruit and the skin,

1663
01:20:26,053 --> 01:20:29,813
Speaker 2: it helps you sleep better. It's a powerful anti inflammatory.

1664
01:20:30,053 --> 01:20:32,932
Speaker 2: So this is what this skin included. Ye At boosts immunity.

1665
01:20:33,173 --> 01:20:35,692
Speaker 2: It's one of the best immunity boosters you can get.

1666
01:20:36,173 --> 01:20:41,333
Speaker 2: It supports gutouth through the fiber. There's so much insoluble

1667
01:20:41,372 --> 01:20:44,173
Speaker 2: fiber in there, and soluble fiber that's if you include

1668
01:20:44,173 --> 01:20:46,693
Speaker 2: the skin as well, so grain if you're stuffing from constipation,

1669
01:20:48,053 --> 01:20:51,133
Speaker 2: and it is the lowest blood pressure and heart risk.

1670
01:20:51,333 --> 01:20:53,452
Speaker 3: So there you go. If you're not eating the skin,

1671
01:20:53,492 --> 01:20:56,452
Speaker 3: you're doing yourself a disservice. Yeah, So however you want

1672
01:20:56,492 --> 01:20:56,692
Speaker 3: to do it.

1673
01:20:56,772 --> 01:20:59,893
Speaker 2: You might want to eat the skin separately afterwards, or

1674
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:03,093
Speaker 2: just just man through it and just munch it like

1675
01:21:03,093 --> 01:21:03,492
Speaker 2: an apple.

1676
01:21:03,612 --> 01:21:05,972
Speaker 3: There's not actually too many fruits that I wouldn't give

1677
01:21:06,013 --> 01:21:07,812
Speaker 3: a crack for having a bite of the skin, to

1678
01:21:07,853 --> 01:21:10,852
Speaker 3: be honest. Yeah, wonder if it ever comes out that

1679
01:21:11,053 --> 01:21:13,053
Speaker 3: our oranges are better if you eat the skin? That

1680
01:21:13,213 --> 01:21:14,652
Speaker 3: is hard yack? Have you ever tried to eat an

1681
01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:16,213
Speaker 3: orange just as like it's an apple?

1682
01:21:16,372 --> 01:21:16,572
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1683
01:21:16,692 --> 01:21:18,692
Speaker 3: And that's hard work? Is that is a lot of

1684
01:21:18,732 --> 01:21:20,772
Speaker 3: hard work. It dates the enjoyment factor out. I don't

1685
01:21:20,772 --> 01:21:22,892
Speaker 3: know if it's good for you. Must Yeah, give them

1686
01:21:22,893 --> 01:21:25,053
Speaker 3: a taste of kiwi keep me fruit. I love a

1687
01:21:25,692 --> 01:21:29,173
Speaker 3: fantastic with the skin on. Yeah, patriotic as well, eaty

1688
01:21:29,253 --> 01:21:32,572
Speaker 3: keew fruit right onto this conversation. This is going to

1689
01:21:32,572 --> 01:21:35,452
Speaker 3: be a great chat. So the Silver Ferns coaching saga,

1690
01:21:35,612 --> 01:21:38,572
Speaker 3: It continues and continues to get more and more dramatic,

1691
01:21:38,893 --> 01:21:42,812
Speaker 3: The latest is negotiations between Dame Nole and TADOR and

1692
01:21:42,893 --> 01:21:47,373
Speaker 3: Netball New Zealand stretched into marathon sessions without any resolution

1693
01:21:47,532 --> 01:21:50,732
Speaker 3: to get this. A recent meeting lasted nearly ten hours,

1694
01:21:50,812 --> 01:21:54,732
Speaker 3: yet no consensus was reached. And the situation, of course,

1695
01:21:54,853 --> 01:21:57,732
Speaker 3: raises a broader question. How often do we find ourselves

1696
01:21:57,772 --> 01:22:01,012
Speaker 3: and meetings that go on too long without achieving anything meaningful?

1697
01:22:01,053 --> 01:22:02,052
Speaker 3: I mean that is shocking.

1698
01:22:02,173 --> 01:22:05,132
Speaker 2: Everyone involved in a ten hour meeting like that should

1699
01:22:05,372 --> 01:22:10,973
Speaker 2: be severely reprimanded by the organization, pay docked, maybe a

1700
01:22:11,053 --> 01:22:11,812
Speaker 2: round of taserings.

1701
01:22:11,812 --> 01:22:14,093
Speaker 3: I don't know a ten if you can't.

1702
01:22:14,853 --> 01:22:17,652
Speaker 2: If you're there for ten hours and you don't sort

1703
01:22:17,652 --> 01:22:20,652
Speaker 2: anything out, then are you capable of sorting anything out?

1704
01:22:21,053 --> 01:22:24,532
Speaker 2: Surely you could, you know, within an hour, reach what

1705
01:22:24,732 --> 01:22:27,293
Speaker 2: you disagree on and then go go away and come

1706
01:22:27,372 --> 01:22:29,533
Speaker 2: back with your proposals.

1707
01:22:29,973 --> 01:22:30,932
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you going?

1708
01:22:31,013 --> 01:22:32,692
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to see the minutes of that

1709
01:22:32,812 --> 01:22:34,412
Speaker 2: meeting if there were, and I'm sure if it's ten

1710
01:22:34,452 --> 01:22:36,372
Speaker 2: hours or aren't minutes, and just see how much time

1711
01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:38,972
Speaker 2: was spent going round and round in circles without anyone

1712
01:22:39,452 --> 01:22:41,452
Speaker 2: being able to draw a line in the sand that

1713
01:22:41,532 --> 01:22:43,293
Speaker 2: can't be crossed. To whatever they needed to be done.

1714
01:22:44,053 --> 01:22:46,173
Speaker 2: But it got me thinking how much of our life

1715
01:22:46,893 --> 01:22:48,812
Speaker 2: lives are wasted in meetings?

1716
01:22:49,013 --> 01:22:49,333
Speaker 4: A lot?

1717
01:22:50,013 --> 01:22:51,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a lot if.

1718
01:22:51,933 --> 01:22:54,732
Speaker 2: In certain professions, certain professions need no meetings at all.

1719
01:22:56,093 --> 01:23:01,012
Speaker 2: I think professions that people mainly do on their feet

1720
01:23:01,452 --> 01:23:05,732
Speaker 2: have shorter meeting times than people who work behind desks

1721
01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:07,452
Speaker 2: and sitting on cheers. Right, I think that's a good

1722
01:23:07,532 --> 01:23:10,333
Speaker 2: rule of thumb. Actually, yeah, so how do you shorten them?

1723
01:23:11,732 --> 01:23:13,452
Speaker 2: And one of them might be never having them on,

1724
01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:15,293
Speaker 2: no one being allowed to sit down.

1725
01:23:16,293 --> 01:23:17,612
Speaker 3: It's a good strategy, I think.

1726
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Speaker 2: I think potentially not being in meeting rooms is a

1727
01:23:20,013 --> 01:23:24,333
Speaker 2: good start, yes, And and not sitting down?

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Speaker 3: Is there someone you know?

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01:23:27,812 --> 01:23:30,652
Speaker 2: Is there someone you know who just goes from meeting

1730
01:23:30,732 --> 01:23:33,412
Speaker 2: to meeting all day and needs a meeting intervention as well?

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01:23:33,612 --> 01:23:33,812
Speaker 3: Yep?

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01:23:33,933 --> 01:23:36,452
Speaker 2: Because are they actually getting anything done? I know a

1733
01:23:36,452 --> 01:23:37,973
Speaker 2: bunch of people when you talk to them and go, oh,

1734
01:23:38,053 --> 01:23:40,093
Speaker 2: how was your date? Just had meeting after meeting up to.

1735
01:23:40,093 --> 01:23:42,972
Speaker 3: The meeting busy? Because not stop meetings, because a meeting

1736
01:23:45,133 --> 01:23:47,652
Speaker 3: should produce a to do list, right, So if you

1737
01:23:47,772 --> 01:23:49,732
Speaker 3: go from that meeting to another meeting, then when are

1738
01:23:49,732 --> 01:23:51,452
Speaker 3: you getting to the to do list. Yeah, are you

1739
01:23:51,572 --> 01:23:53,612
Speaker 3: really busy if you're just jumping from meeting to meeting?

1740
01:23:53,853 --> 01:23:55,412
Speaker 3: Love to eat your thoughts, though, I wait, one hundred

1741
01:23:55,412 --> 01:23:57,333
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. If you're in an industry that

1742
01:23:57,492 --> 01:24:00,213
Speaker 3: is meeting crazy, what do you do to get out

1743
01:24:00,253 --> 01:24:00,452
Speaker 3: of them?

1744
01:24:00,532 --> 01:24:00,732
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1745
01:24:00,772 --> 01:24:03,093
Speaker 2: What can you do to reduce the number of meetings?

1746
01:24:03,093 --> 01:24:05,612
Speaker 2: Because I would say a ten hour meeting is clearly silly,

1747
01:24:05,692 --> 01:24:07,893
Speaker 2: but you could argue that anything.

1748
01:24:07,652 --> 01:24:09,812
Speaker 3: More than a ten minute meeting is too long. Yeah,

1749
01:24:10,173 --> 01:24:12,812
Speaker 3: we've got a meeting that we have each week with

1750
01:24:12,893 --> 01:24:15,932
Speaker 3: the boss, and that is five to ten minutes. As

1751
01:24:15,973 --> 01:24:18,452
Speaker 3: you say it, standing. Nobody takes a seat, They can

1752
01:24:18,572 --> 01:24:20,492
Speaker 3: lean if they want to. It's over by the sink

1753
01:24:20,532 --> 01:24:23,972
Speaker 3: out there, yep. And you know everyone's trying to leave

1754
01:24:24,013 --> 01:24:25,892
Speaker 3: the whole time, so people are creeping towards the door.

1755
01:24:26,372 --> 01:24:29,012
Speaker 3: Most of the things are decided looking over your shoulder

1756
01:24:29,053 --> 01:24:30,772
Speaker 3: as you're walking out. It's a perfect place because you

1757
01:24:30,812 --> 01:24:32,732
Speaker 3: get other people walking past saying what are you guys

1758
01:24:32,812 --> 01:24:34,013
Speaker 3: up to? And so we're just wrapping up.

1759
01:24:34,053 --> 01:24:37,053
Speaker 2: Nothing can get too controversial because someone else will be

1760
01:24:37,253 --> 01:24:39,133
Speaker 2: hither dupless. The ellen will be making a cup of

1761
01:24:39,173 --> 01:24:40,892
Speaker 2: coffee right in the middle of the meeting and that's

1762
01:24:40,893 --> 01:24:41,612
Speaker 2: where she goes on there.

1763
01:24:41,692 --> 01:24:44,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1764
01:24:44,652 --> 01:24:46,812
Speaker 3: the number to call. How often have you set through

1765
01:24:46,853 --> 01:24:49,452
Speaker 3: a meeting that felt endless? What impact that did that

1766
01:24:49,572 --> 01:24:51,892
Speaker 3: have on your motivation? And are you in a place

1767
01:24:51,973 --> 01:24:53,732
Speaker 3: that's just meeting crazy? You'd love to hear from you.

1768
01:24:53,893 --> 01:24:56,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your stratagems to deal with the meeting crisis?

1769
01:24:56,933 --> 01:24:58,732
Speaker 2: The over meeting crisis in our country?

1770
01:24:58,853 --> 01:25:02,133
Speaker 3: It is twelve bas three news talks. It'd be very

1771
01:25:02,173 --> 01:25:02,852
Speaker 3: good afternoon.

1772
01:25:02,933 --> 01:25:03,173
Speaker 4: Juu.

1773
01:25:03,452 --> 01:25:05,612
Speaker 3: So what do you think are the main reasons meetings

1774
01:25:05,772 --> 01:25:08,652
Speaker 3: drag on without clear outcomes as a poor leadership, lack

1775
01:25:08,692 --> 01:25:10,052
Speaker 3: of focus, or something else.

1776
01:25:10,732 --> 01:25:14,132
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this person raises a really important point. Regilarly

1777
01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:16,892
Speaker 2: and stupid long zoom meetings when the usual suspects find

1778
01:25:16,933 --> 01:25:19,572
Speaker 2: their next rabbit hole, I scroll Facebook and do work

1779
01:25:19,612 --> 01:25:25,293
Speaker 2: in other tabs easy. You know, zoom meetings have made

1780
01:25:25,333 --> 01:25:29,612
Speaker 2: things so much worse because you know, at any given time,

1781
01:25:30,213 --> 01:25:32,333
Speaker 2: a certain percentage of the people are totally zoned out

1782
01:25:32,372 --> 01:25:34,293
Speaker 2: and just have to get through the meeting. Yep, they're

1783
01:25:34,333 --> 01:25:38,893
Speaker 2: not listening and someone's rabbiting on and they think that

1784
01:25:38,933 --> 01:25:41,652
Speaker 2: they're having a productive meeting. But if everyone was around

1785
01:25:41,732 --> 01:25:43,692
Speaker 2: the table or in the room talking, they'd see that

1786
01:25:44,293 --> 01:25:47,052
Speaker 2: no one was zoning in at all. Very hard, because

1787
01:25:47,093 --> 01:25:49,412
Speaker 2: everyone can fake on a zoom meeting. Oh, they're zoned

1788
01:25:49,452 --> 01:25:50,492
Speaker 2: in and they're focused.

1789
01:25:50,612 --> 01:25:52,612
Speaker 3: You're just staring at a screen. But as this person

1790
01:25:52,732 --> 01:25:54,852
Speaker 3: quite quite rightly pointed out, you might be looking at

1791
01:25:54,893 --> 01:25:57,213
Speaker 3: Facebook or something else on your screen at the same time.

1792
01:25:57,492 --> 01:26:00,772
Speaker 2: Mike says, nothing infuriates me more then turning up to

1793
01:26:00,853 --> 01:26:03,093
Speaker 2: a meeting with some two hundred odd people on it

1794
01:26:03,492 --> 01:26:05,732
Speaker 2: and the host turns up with no idea what they're doing,

1795
01:26:05,853 --> 01:26:07,852
Speaker 2: how to play with a computer, or just how to

1796
01:26:07,973 --> 01:26:10,572
Speaker 2: run their your own life, wasting hundreds of people's times.

1797
01:26:11,213 --> 01:26:14,532
Speaker 2: That does my hidden Five minutes is what you have

1798
01:26:14,772 --> 01:26:17,372
Speaker 2: If you haven't started delivering after five minutes, I am.

1799
01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:20,972
Speaker 3: Out good man, like, yeah, that's great. Oh, one hundred

1800
01:26:20,973 --> 01:26:23,173
Speaker 3: and eighteen eighty is the number to call. What are

1801
01:26:23,213 --> 01:26:26,213
Speaker 3: your top tips for getting out of meetings? Tony, Welcome

1802
01:26:26,253 --> 01:26:26,612
Speaker 3: to the show.

1803
01:26:28,253 --> 01:26:31,173
Speaker 11: These meetings are not a problem at all. I'm well

1804
01:26:31,253 --> 01:26:33,652
Speaker 11: into my seventies now. I've spent the pure parts of

1805
01:26:33,692 --> 01:26:37,412
Speaker 11: my life either running meetings or being part of them

1806
01:26:38,732 --> 01:26:44,093
Speaker 11: for various voluntary semi voluntary or professional organizations.

1807
01:26:44,853 --> 01:26:45,852
Speaker 8: There is a.

1808
01:26:47,853 --> 01:26:53,253
Speaker 11: Book, a short book, a pamphlet, and it's called Bendley's Rules.

1809
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:57,213
Speaker 11: Benley's Rules are the procedures of meetings. And it's at

1810
01:26:57,372 --> 01:26:59,293
Speaker 11: least one hundred years.

1811
01:26:59,093 --> 01:27:02,892
Speaker 3: Old, right, So was it called Bitley's Bentley's Law?

1812
01:27:03,013 --> 01:27:09,133
Speaker 11: Did you say Bentley's Rules are being conduct of meetings?

1813
01:27:10,492 --> 01:27:12,092
Speaker 3: And have you got it there in front of your toney?

1814
01:27:13,013 --> 01:27:15,452
Speaker 11: No, I have it in my possession somewhere. If you

1815
01:27:15,532 --> 01:27:19,572
Speaker 11: want it sometimes fo or send a copy. And there

1816
01:27:19,692 --> 01:27:24,932
Speaker 11: is also a shortened version and that again probably goes

1817
01:27:25,093 --> 01:27:27,812
Speaker 11: back to the days of good old trade unions, and

1818
01:27:27,933 --> 01:27:32,053
Speaker 11: it's produced by the Workers' Educational Association w e A.

1819
01:27:33,333 --> 01:27:37,253
Speaker 11: And again simple rules for running meetings. And the simple

1820
01:27:37,412 --> 01:27:43,173
Speaker 11: rules are A, you have an agenda. B you have

1821
01:27:44,333 --> 01:27:49,973
Speaker 11: minutes of the meeting, and see the minutes form the

1822
01:27:50,053 --> 01:27:52,692
Speaker 11: basis of the next meeting should there be in need

1823
01:27:52,812 --> 01:27:55,532
Speaker 11: of one, in other words, and the first item on

1824
01:27:55,692 --> 01:27:59,173
Speaker 11: the should be minutes of last meeting, which you then

1825
01:27:59,293 --> 01:28:02,652
Speaker 11: discussed in confirm or whatever. You need to have a

1826
01:28:02,772 --> 01:28:10,852
Speaker 11: competent chairman who understands those rules, and the secretary, yeah

1827
01:28:11,133 --> 01:28:13,852
Speaker 11: doesn't even the secretary doesn't even to know, need to

1828
01:28:13,933 --> 01:28:15,213
Speaker 11: know what the meeting is about.

1829
01:28:16,893 --> 01:28:19,053
Speaker 3: So what does the secretary do? The secretary is just

1830
01:28:19,133 --> 01:28:20,573
Speaker 3: needed to take minutes.

1831
01:28:21,612 --> 01:28:25,692
Speaker 2: Basically, Yes, So basically what you're saying is that you

1832
01:28:25,732 --> 01:28:28,012
Speaker 2: should you have it should have a purpose for the meeting,

1833
01:28:28,732 --> 01:28:33,812
Speaker 2: and then you should have a you should have I

1834
01:28:33,893 --> 01:28:38,053
Speaker 2: guess plans sit forth for things to do that come

1835
01:28:38,093 --> 01:28:41,612
Speaker 2: out of the meeting, and then you should have a

1836
01:28:41,732 --> 01:28:45,372
Speaker 2: way to check that those things have been done or done.

1837
01:28:47,093 --> 01:28:49,933
Speaker 11: The thing he talks about what it's all about is

1838
01:28:50,093 --> 01:28:52,652
Speaker 11: the agenda, and the agenda should be said to everyone

1839
01:28:53,093 --> 01:28:56,852
Speaker 11: who's attending the meeting, preferably a day or two in advanced,

1840
01:28:56,933 --> 01:29:00,612
Speaker 11: or a week in advance if necessary. And we are

1841
01:29:00,692 --> 01:29:03,572
Speaker 11: having a meeting on the date, at the place and

1842
01:29:03,732 --> 01:29:09,173
Speaker 11: the time you're invited to for example, or you were

1843
01:29:09,253 --> 01:29:12,892
Speaker 11: instructed to attend, as the case may be. The agenda

1844
01:29:12,933 --> 01:29:15,852
Speaker 11: of the meeting is this is what we are going

1845
01:29:15,973 --> 01:29:20,852
Speaker 11: to discuss, and you discuss nothing else except what on

1846
01:29:21,213 --> 01:29:24,652
Speaker 11: the agenda, except the last sit among the agendas, any

1847
01:29:24,692 --> 01:29:25,293
Speaker 11: other business.

1848
01:29:25,893 --> 01:29:28,133
Speaker 3: So have you been in these meetings before, Tony, we

1849
01:29:28,213 --> 01:29:30,452
Speaker 3: have had to call out something that wasn't on the agenda.

1850
01:29:30,572 --> 01:29:31,973
Speaker 3: You have to stop the meeting to say, hang on

1851
01:29:32,013 --> 01:29:34,412
Speaker 3: a minute, it's not on the agenda. We're not dwelving

1852
01:29:34,452 --> 01:29:35,372
Speaker 3: into this in this meeting.

1853
01:29:37,013 --> 01:29:40,213
Speaker 11: Yes, and you can insist that it's not discussed in fact,

1854
01:29:41,013 --> 01:29:46,012
Speaker 11: and unless the meeting agrees that it can go under

1855
01:29:46,293 --> 01:29:50,012
Speaker 11: any other business. You were there to discuss the items

1856
01:29:50,133 --> 01:29:52,572
Speaker 11: on the agenda, nothing more, nothing less.

1857
01:29:53,492 --> 01:29:56,572
Speaker 2: So how much time would you allow for Tony? How

1858
01:29:56,652 --> 01:29:59,412
Speaker 2: much time would you allow for small talk?

1859
01:29:59,772 --> 01:30:01,932
Speaker 3: How was your weekends? Et cetera.

1860
01:30:03,013 --> 01:30:05,973
Speaker 11: Oh, that's the just before the meeting starts.

1861
01:30:05,812 --> 01:30:07,812
Speaker 2: Right right right, I say, we say, that's a very

1862
01:30:07,853 --> 01:30:11,173
Speaker 2: good point. So if you want to have a chat

1863
01:30:11,213 --> 01:30:13,772
Speaker 2: about the weekend, then you arrive ten minutes before the meeting.

1864
01:30:13,893 --> 01:30:16,173
Speaker 2: But as soon as it hits say the meetings at

1865
01:30:16,253 --> 01:30:18,692
Speaker 2: nine am. Soon as it hits nine am, then that

1866
01:30:18,933 --> 01:30:20,972
Speaker 2: is the subject of the meeting. A lot of people

1867
01:30:21,013 --> 01:30:23,492
Speaker 2: are texting through Tony saying the duration of a meeting

1868
01:30:23,612 --> 01:30:26,253
Speaker 2: is a problem. That you know, people either book them

1869
01:30:26,293 --> 01:30:30,372
Speaker 2: for half an hour or one hour, when surely some

1870
01:30:30,572 --> 01:30:33,412
Speaker 2: meetings are ten minutes, some meetings twenty minutes.

1871
01:30:34,372 --> 01:30:38,572
Speaker 11: You know how long the meetings? The chairman woman person

1872
01:30:39,692 --> 01:30:43,612
Speaker 11: should know how long that meeting should take. When you're

1873
01:30:43,652 --> 01:30:47,452
Speaker 11: starting something new, you probably have to guess it a bit.

1874
01:30:48,572 --> 01:30:50,932
Speaker 11: But have you been running going to the meetings long?

1875
01:30:51,372 --> 01:30:57,253
Speaker 11: The organization's been going for so long you would just say, well,

1876
01:30:57,333 --> 01:31:01,013
Speaker 11: normally we take an hour from beginning to end.

1877
01:31:02,492 --> 01:31:04,492
Speaker 3: I mean it makes sense, Tony. I don't like the

1878
01:31:04,572 --> 01:31:06,933
Speaker 3: idea of any other business though. That just opens up

1879
01:31:06,973 --> 01:31:09,572
Speaker 3: to me anybody who's got something that they want to

1880
01:31:09,572 --> 01:31:11,532
Speaker 3: have a chat about, I'd take that part out of

1881
01:31:11,572 --> 01:31:13,612
Speaker 3: the meeting. So then you finished, there's no other business

1882
01:31:13,692 --> 01:31:14,253
Speaker 3: for this meeting?

1883
01:31:15,692 --> 01:31:17,852
Speaker 6: Well, yes, it just depends.

1884
01:31:17,973 --> 01:31:20,293
Speaker 11: You see, it's at the end and so it's the

1885
01:31:20,372 --> 01:31:24,213
Speaker 11: last item. So if you say there's any other business

1886
01:31:24,293 --> 01:31:26,772
Speaker 11: and it's five to ten for an hour's meeting that

1887
01:31:26,893 --> 01:31:28,253
Speaker 11: started at nine, hurry up.

1888
01:31:28,772 --> 01:31:30,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you've got to have a space for

1889
01:31:30,933 --> 01:31:33,253
Speaker 3: any other business. What eff say said? Oh, by the way,

1890
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:35,692
Speaker 3: there's a hostile takeover of the company coming and we

1891
01:31:35,933 --> 01:31:39,173
Speaker 3: need to we need to work on that.

1892
01:31:40,652 --> 01:31:42,492
Speaker 11: You have to trust Mark to put that one in

1893
01:31:42,572 --> 01:31:47,933
Speaker 11: dinner if any other business suddenly, someone decides it's important,

1894
01:31:48,372 --> 01:31:50,652
Speaker 11: we will carry this forward to the next meeting, or

1895
01:31:50,652 --> 01:31:53,933
Speaker 11: we'll have another meeting, an extraordinary meeting instead of the

1896
01:31:54,013 --> 01:31:55,692
Speaker 11: monthly meeting. We'll have on next week.

1897
01:31:56,293 --> 01:31:58,772
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Tony. I mean there's anything else

1898
01:31:58,812 --> 01:32:01,333
Speaker 2: there of the meeting? Oh yeah, the whole officers on fire,

1899
01:32:01,572 --> 01:32:03,173
Speaker 2: and I think we should make it a way to

1900
01:32:03,213 --> 01:32:03,532
Speaker 2: the exit.

1901
01:32:03,532 --> 01:32:04,772
Speaker 3: And I just told you they met. We'll bring that

1902
01:32:04,893 --> 01:32:06,933
Speaker 3: up negst meeting because we're out of time. There's a

1903
01:32:06,973 --> 01:32:09,213
Speaker 3: good teake e. In relation to what Tony was saying,

1904
01:32:09,253 --> 01:32:12,012
Speaker 3: I've got two theories as to meeting many of fellers,

1905
01:32:12,053 --> 01:32:13,852
Speaker 3: which seems to have gotten worse over the course of

1906
01:32:13,933 --> 01:32:16,772
Speaker 3: many years. One is the march of technology, including email

1907
01:32:16,812 --> 01:32:21,053
Speaker 3: and calendars. Before you needed administrative assistance to set up

1908
01:32:21,093 --> 01:32:24,212
Speaker 3: meetings via phone, and that took time. So except for weekly,

1909
01:32:24,333 --> 01:32:28,133
Speaker 3: regularly scheduled status meetings, you had far less meetings. Now

1910
01:32:28,213 --> 01:32:31,572
Speaker 3: setting up a meeting all at your fingertips. Another I noticed,

1911
01:32:31,732 --> 01:32:34,532
Speaker 3: at least in officers, is the domain issue. People are

1912
01:32:34,612 --> 01:32:37,253
Speaker 3: very protective these days of their officers or cubicles of

1913
01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:40,692
Speaker 3: workspaces and resent what they see as intrusions if you

1914
01:32:40,772 --> 01:32:43,612
Speaker 3: so much as knock, interrupting whatever they were doing. Before

1915
01:32:43,652 --> 01:32:46,133
Speaker 3: you walked around, dropped into chet, gathered folks around for

1916
01:32:46,253 --> 01:32:49,492
Speaker 3: a quick confab, great word all and formal. Now this

1917
01:32:49,572 --> 01:32:50,732
Speaker 3: sort of thing is frowned upon.

1918
01:32:51,412 --> 01:32:54,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think a lot of the problem is

1919
01:32:54,293 --> 01:32:57,173
Speaker 2: as well as everyone's. It's so easy to organize a meeting,

1920
01:32:57,612 --> 01:32:59,492
Speaker 2: so you'll just fire off an email saying here's a

1921
01:32:59,572 --> 01:33:02,052
Speaker 2: meeting on this at this point, and then include everyone

1922
01:33:02,173 --> 01:33:05,812
Speaker 2: and then they're sort of obliged to attend. I think

1923
01:33:05,853 --> 01:33:08,933
Speaker 2: it used to be a higher threshold I am to

1924
01:33:09,173 --> 01:33:11,213
Speaker 2: get a meeting going back in the day, because a

1925
01:33:11,253 --> 01:33:12,892
Speaker 2: lot of people do a meeting because they can't work

1926
01:33:12,893 --> 01:33:13,372
Speaker 2: out a problem.

1927
01:33:13,412 --> 01:33:15,333
Speaker 3: So they're like, I can't work out how this. I

1928
01:33:15,412 --> 01:33:17,053
Speaker 3: can't work out how to do this. It's too hard,

1929
01:33:17,093 --> 01:33:20,013
Speaker 3: I'm too dumb. I'm an absolute idiot. What I'll do?

1930
01:33:20,133 --> 01:33:22,173
Speaker 2: But I can operate a calendar, So I'll send out

1931
01:33:22,213 --> 01:33:23,812
Speaker 2: an inviting to a meeting, and then I'll try and

1932
01:33:23,853 --> 01:33:25,692
Speaker 2: get other people to do my job for me exactly.

1933
01:33:25,853 --> 01:33:27,532
Speaker 3: And when you do that on a meeting, you get

1934
01:33:27,612 --> 01:33:30,372
Speaker 3: shamed if you haven't responded. Quite often, now you know,

1935
01:33:30,492 --> 01:33:34,213
Speaker 3: I'll get asked to attend a meeting and would either

1936
01:33:34,293 --> 01:33:36,772
Speaker 3: say your attendance is mandatory, But then it's got a

1937
01:33:36,812 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 3: big list to say who said yes, who said no?

1938
01:33:40,013 --> 01:33:42,772
Speaker 3: Who was still waiting to say anything? That's shaming.

1939
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you should. You need to take the power

1940
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Speaker 2: back and just respond No, this meeting looks stupid. Steve

1941
01:33:50,293 --> 01:33:53,532
Speaker 2: from Wellington says government worker here, meetings after meetings, after

1942
01:33:53,612 --> 01:33:56,132
Speaker 2: bloody meeting. Then at the end of the meeting nothing decided.

1943
01:33:56,532 --> 01:33:58,452
Speaker 2: People say we will make a decision at the next

1944
01:33:58,532 --> 01:34:01,932
Speaker 2: meeting drives me absolutely bloody insane.

1945
01:34:02,173 --> 01:34:04,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, spot on, that is so true.

1946
01:34:05,372 --> 01:34:08,532
Speaker 2: This is a good quote from Jason Freed, who the

1947
01:34:09,973 --> 01:34:13,532
Speaker 2: great software CEO. Meetings should be like salt, a spice

1948
01:34:13,572 --> 01:34:16,812
Speaker 2: sprinkled carefully to enhance a dish, not poured recklessly over

1949
01:34:17,173 --> 01:34:20,492
Speaker 2: every forkful. Too much salt destroys the dish. Too many

1950
01:34:20,572 --> 01:34:22,492
Speaker 2: meetings destroys morale and motivation.

1951
01:34:22,772 --> 01:34:24,772
Speaker 3: That is a beautiful quote and.

1952
01:34:24,853 --> 01:34:28,093
Speaker 2: This person's Thomas Sowle. You'll probably know him. People who

1953
01:34:28,213 --> 01:34:30,333
Speaker 2: enjoy meetings should never be in charge of anything.

1954
01:34:30,853 --> 01:34:31,812
Speaker 3: Nicely said Thomas.

1955
01:34:31,973 --> 01:34:32,093
Speaker 11: Oh.

1956
01:34:32,173 --> 01:34:34,772
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1957
01:34:35,532 --> 01:34:37,213
Speaker 3: How long is too long for a meeting? What's the

1958
01:34:37,253 --> 01:34:39,732
Speaker 3: perfect length to get things done? And if you need to,

1959
01:34:39,853 --> 01:34:41,612
Speaker 3: what are your tips for getting out of meetings? Love

1960
01:34:41,652 --> 01:34:42,412
Speaker 3: to hear it from you.

1961
01:34:42,692 --> 01:34:45,652
Speaker 2: This wasn't our attention. Someone stepses through oh thanks for this.

1962
01:34:46,053 --> 01:34:48,213
Speaker 2: I'll cancel my AA meeting tonight. Now go to the

1963
01:34:48,293 --> 01:34:48,852
Speaker 2: AA meeting.

1964
01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:51,333
Speaker 3: That's important, that's always important. That's a good one. That

1965
01:34:51,412 --> 01:34:52,812
Speaker 3: went twenty five past three.

1966
01:34:56,572 --> 01:35:00,213
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1967
01:35:00,492 --> 01:35:02,852
Speaker 1: eighty on yous talk sav afternoon.

1968
01:35:02,893 --> 01:35:05,732
Speaker 3: Have we gone meeting crazy in this country? On the

1969
01:35:05,812 --> 01:35:08,452
Speaker 3: back of a ten hour meeting between Dame Nole in

1970
01:35:09,053 --> 01:35:11,333
Speaker 3: Tardo and Hippoorn News zeal And. I think we can

1971
01:35:11,333 --> 01:35:13,812
Speaker 3: all agree ten hours for a meeting is crazy down.

1972
01:35:13,933 --> 01:35:16,133
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest and most shocking part of

1973
01:35:16,213 --> 01:35:20,972
Speaker 2: this whole scandal with the with the suspension of Dame.

1974
01:35:20,933 --> 01:35:24,093
Speaker 3: Noleane is the ten hour meeting. What do you talk about?

1975
01:35:24,133 --> 01:35:26,692
Speaker 3: I think in hours that has shocked the nation. Yeah,

1976
01:35:26,893 --> 01:35:28,293
Speaker 3: that's like a police interrogation.

1977
01:35:28,612 --> 01:35:30,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was even brought up with the

1978
01:35:30,812 --> 01:35:32,933
Speaker 2: Prime Minister this morning on the Breakfast Show. Yeah, the

1979
01:35:33,013 --> 01:35:36,732
Speaker 2: length of that meeting. It's a national scandal that they

1980
01:35:36,772 --> 01:35:40,852
Speaker 2: had a ten hour meeting on that. Yeah, John, You've

1981
01:35:40,893 --> 01:35:43,373
Speaker 2: got some tips from a meeting from Australian retailer.

1982
01:35:44,532 --> 01:35:48,652
Speaker 16: Yes, there's a retail a supermarket retailer in Australia who

1983
01:35:48,812 --> 01:35:50,692
Speaker 16: have well, I still believe they have it. They had

1984
01:35:50,692 --> 01:35:53,852
Speaker 16: a forty five minute maxim meeting time that you could

1985
01:35:53,893 --> 01:35:56,612
Speaker 16: have with them, and they even had in their meeting rooms.

1986
01:35:56,652 --> 01:35:58,812
Speaker 16: They even had clocks in their in their room that

1987
01:35:58,893 --> 01:36:00,772
Speaker 16: had a at the forty five minute mark had the

1988
01:36:00,812 --> 01:36:04,253
Speaker 16: red zone, so you knew once you hit that, that

1989
01:36:04,492 --> 01:36:06,333
Speaker 16: was that was it, that was your done in dusted.

1990
01:36:06,612 --> 01:36:09,253
Speaker 16: I've even been involved in a meeting where the customer

1991
01:36:09,253 --> 01:36:11,053
Speaker 16: actually at that forty five minute mark got up and

1992
01:36:11,093 --> 01:36:14,572
Speaker 16: walked out and we weren't even we hadn't even finished

1993
01:36:14,612 --> 01:36:17,572
Speaker 16: what we were presenting doing. So we we sort of

1994
01:36:17,652 --> 01:36:20,412
Speaker 16: learned from that pretty quickly that we've got to keep

1995
01:36:20,412 --> 01:36:23,293
Speaker 16: the information that we're providing to that under forty five minutes,

1996
01:36:23,333 --> 01:36:26,772
Speaker 16: because yeah, it was, it was, It was pretty crucial.

1997
01:36:26,893 --> 01:36:28,772
Speaker 2: I wonder how much time it's been wasted, John in

1998
01:36:28,853 --> 01:36:32,652
Speaker 2: the world that people just go a meeting is an

1999
01:36:32,692 --> 01:36:36,333
Speaker 2: hour long. So you book a meeting and book for

2000
01:36:36,333 --> 01:36:38,732
Speaker 2: an hour, and you only have thirty seven and a

2001
01:36:38,772 --> 01:36:40,333
Speaker 2: half minutes with the stuff to get through.

2002
01:36:41,133 --> 01:36:45,293
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I think I think this particular retailer had

2003
01:36:45,532 --> 01:36:48,532
Speaker 16: obviously had a huge number of meetings per day with

2004
01:36:48,772 --> 01:36:50,893
Speaker 16: some of the key buyers that they just had to

2005
01:36:50,973 --> 01:36:54,253
Speaker 16: do that to maintain some sanity and some control over

2006
01:36:54,692 --> 01:36:58,652
Speaker 16: over what over what they were doing. In fact, I had,

2007
01:36:58,853 --> 01:37:00,933
Speaker 16: in fact, I worked for a company once and this

2008
01:37:01,093 --> 01:37:03,732
Speaker 16: is the most disaster we had. We had a meeting

2009
01:37:03,973 --> 01:37:05,492
Speaker 16: that discussed the number of meetings that.

2010
01:37:05,492 --> 01:37:06,092
Speaker 8: We're having.

2011
01:37:07,652 --> 01:37:07,932
Speaker 3: Meeting.

2012
01:37:10,572 --> 01:37:11,732
Speaker 16: I didn't go to that because I thought it was

2013
01:37:11,732 --> 01:37:14,652
Speaker 16: an absolute wasteful Yeah, it was weird.

2014
01:37:14,933 --> 01:37:16,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is.

2015
01:37:16,612 --> 01:37:19,012
Speaker 3: That's a great strategy, though, John. I mean the countdown

2016
01:37:19,013 --> 01:37:20,333
Speaker 3: of a meet and I like that. And then when

2017
01:37:20,372 --> 01:37:23,532
Speaker 3: it gets to the red zone, whether you're got something

2018
01:37:23,572 --> 01:37:25,173
Speaker 3: to say or not, we're done. It was forty five

2019
01:37:25,213 --> 01:37:27,452
Speaker 3: minutes and you can walk out. Hi, guys.

2020
01:37:27,893 --> 01:37:31,133
Speaker 2: We used to have a meetings quarterly in Singapore. One year,

2021
01:37:31,173 --> 01:37:33,412
Speaker 2: one of my colleagues decided to present the same presentation

2022
01:37:33,532 --> 01:37:37,253
Speaker 2: and see how many times you get achieved it. He

2023
01:37:37,372 --> 01:37:39,812
Speaker 2: mentioned it three times before anyone tapped him on the

2024
01:37:39,812 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 2: shoulder by one of the mate's big bosses to suggest

2025
01:37:42,772 --> 01:37:44,132
Speaker 2: he might want to update his presentation.

2026
01:37:44,253 --> 01:37:47,452
Speaker 3: That's how useful meetings are, it says a lot. Oh

2027
01:37:47,532 --> 01:37:49,772
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.

2028
01:37:49,893 --> 01:37:53,013
Speaker 3: Have we gone meeting? Crazy in this country. Nine two

2029
01:37:53,133 --> 01:37:55,372
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number. I mean, it's a

2030
01:37:55,412 --> 01:37:57,372
Speaker 3: big part of our productivity, right, We've got we've got

2031
01:37:57,492 --> 01:37:59,972
Speaker 3: sharking productivity. And if you spend most of your day

2032
01:38:00,053 --> 01:38:02,532
Speaker 3: going in and out of meetings and there's no nothing

2033
01:38:03,013 --> 01:38:04,052
Speaker 3: productive being done.

2034
01:38:04,652 --> 01:38:08,213
Speaker 2: Meetings now are just useless powerpoints that no one understands well.

2035
01:38:08,372 --> 01:38:10,732
Speaker 2: I mean it's too much to say that there's no

2036
01:38:11,053 --> 01:38:14,772
Speaker 2: worthwhile meeting. I mean there are some things that need,

2037
01:38:14,973 --> 01:38:17,652
Speaker 2: you know, like say, for example, just to make up

2038
01:38:17,652 --> 01:38:21,333
Speaker 2: an example, a kid's gone missing, you do need to

2039
01:38:21,372 --> 01:38:23,532
Speaker 2: have a meeting to work out the grid pattern where

2040
01:38:23,572 --> 01:38:27,852
Speaker 2: everyone's searching. But that's why I think. But meetings like

2041
01:38:27,893 --> 01:38:30,293
Speaker 2: that are generally done standing up, aren't they. Yeah, yeah,

2042
01:38:30,452 --> 01:38:33,612
Speaker 2: So it's the difference between a useful meeting and a

2043
01:38:33,692 --> 01:38:37,812
Speaker 2: non useful meeting, you know, the seating arrangement.

2044
01:38:38,253 --> 01:38:39,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred

2045
01:38:40,093 --> 01:38:42,093
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We got

2046
01:38:42,133 --> 01:38:44,692
Speaker 3: headlines with railing coming up. Then we're taking more of

2047
01:38:44,812 --> 01:38:46,333
Speaker 3: your calls. It is twenty nine to four.

2048
01:38:48,812 --> 01:38:52,812
Speaker 14: Youth talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxes. It's

2049
01:38:52,893 --> 01:38:56,053
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue Bubble. Calice have arrested one

2050
01:38:56,133 --> 01:38:59,893
Speaker 14: person and launched a homicide investigation following the death of

2051
01:38:59,933 --> 01:39:03,452
Speaker 14: a man in Auckland's New Linn this afternoon. A three

2052
01:39:03,492 --> 01:39:06,253
Speaker 14: hour police stand office ended in Auckland's Flat Bush with

2053
01:39:06,372 --> 01:39:09,452
Speaker 14: a man in custody. An officer shot but is now

2054
01:39:09,572 --> 01:39:13,133
Speaker 14: out of hospital. Police have charged an Auckland bus driver

2055
01:39:13,293 --> 01:39:16,652
Speaker 14: behind the wheel when an elderly pedestrian was fatally hit

2056
01:39:16,772 --> 01:39:20,892
Speaker 14: in Ornihunger two months ago, with carelessly operating a vehicle

2057
01:39:21,173 --> 01:39:24,732
Speaker 14: causing death. A pedestrian has been seriously injured in a

2058
01:39:24,772 --> 01:39:28,012
Speaker 14: collision with a vehicle on Ashburton's East Street. Just after

2059
01:39:28,133 --> 01:39:33,013
Speaker 14: midday confirmation, former christ Church City Councilor Mike Davidson is

2060
01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:37,092
Speaker 14: taking over from Green Party List MP Benjamin Doyle resigned

2061
01:39:37,093 --> 01:39:41,013
Speaker 14: after threats of violence towards them and their family. A

2062
01:39:41,093 --> 01:39:45,652
Speaker 14: boil water notice continues for Northeast Hamilton and Waikato's Gordon

2063
01:39:45,732 --> 01:39:49,012
Speaker 14: and Wykathos Gordon and I should say into Pukitaha. Although

2064
01:39:49,053 --> 01:39:51,612
Speaker 14: a second day of tests have come back clear. A

2065
01:39:51,692 --> 01:39:55,293
Speaker 14: third consecutive clear tests required for the notice to lift.

2066
01:39:56,293 --> 01:39:59,852
Speaker 14: The all black showed control composure and grit to claim

2067
01:39:59,933 --> 01:40:03,013
Speaker 14: Perth victory. You can see Phil Gifford's full column at

2068
01:40:03,093 --> 01:40:06,532
Speaker 14: Endzen Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2069
01:40:06,253 --> 01:40:08,692
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylane. We're talking about the length

2070
01:40:08,893 --> 01:40:11,372
Speaker 3: of meetings in New Zealand. Are We're a bit meeting

2071
01:40:11,572 --> 01:40:14,893
Speaker 3: crazy in this country. So many texts coming through on

2072
01:40:15,053 --> 01:40:16,013
Speaker 3: nine to two nine two.

2073
01:40:16,253 --> 01:40:18,893
Speaker 2: This is the back of a ten hour meeting that

2074
01:40:19,013 --> 01:40:23,612
Speaker 2: New Zealand Netball had with Dame Noel Lean around this

2075
01:40:23,732 --> 01:40:28,812
Speaker 2: whole sort of suspension scandal. Very confusing situation that one

2076
01:40:29,053 --> 01:40:31,652
Speaker 2: a ten hour meeting. This is an inquisition run by

2077
01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:34,012
Speaker 2: the vicious and incompetence, says Alistair.

2078
01:40:34,213 --> 01:40:35,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean ten hours is crazy town.

2079
01:40:36,492 --> 01:40:38,652
Speaker 2: I work for a government department and meetings are banal.

2080
01:40:39,572 --> 01:40:41,932
Speaker 2: I'm utterly convinced the majority of self serving. To give

2081
01:40:41,973 --> 01:40:45,132
Speaker 2: the people organizing it some self worth. A certain large

2082
01:40:45,293 --> 01:40:48,892
Speaker 2: debt that loves kiwis is amongst the worst department. Sorry,

2083
01:40:49,372 --> 01:40:52,692
Speaker 2: a certain large department that loves Kiwi's is amongst the worst.

2084
01:40:52,772 --> 01:40:56,333
Speaker 2: And don't even mention others reviewing your work. Somebody saved

2085
01:40:56,412 --> 01:40:58,892
Speaker 2: me and somebody save Matt from all those meetings.

2086
01:40:59,333 --> 01:41:01,933
Speaker 3: Nine nine two is the text lover this Texas.

2087
01:41:01,652 --> 01:41:03,452
Speaker 2: Says I left a role where I was in twenty

2088
01:41:03,532 --> 01:41:07,652
Speaker 2: eight hours of permanently scheduled corporate meetings every week where

2089
01:41:07,692 --> 01:41:11,532
Speaker 2: specifics any leaders generally saw those as the main function

2090
01:41:11,652 --> 01:41:14,173
Speaker 2: of their role. Often very little was achieved, and regularly

2091
01:41:14,213 --> 01:41:16,932
Speaker 2: the previous minutes would take up the bulk of the dimes.

2092
01:41:17,893 --> 01:41:20,253
Speaker 2: A total talk fast, very frustrating, trying to do a

2093
01:41:20,333 --> 01:41:22,892
Speaker 2: great job getting your actual job.

2094
01:41:22,772 --> 01:41:25,012
Speaker 3: Done twenty eight hours a week. That is insane.

2095
01:41:25,133 --> 01:41:28,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I started a corporate job once, and

2096
01:41:29,452 --> 01:41:31,253
Speaker 2: then as soon as I started, just all these meetings

2097
01:41:31,253 --> 01:41:33,973
Speaker 2: started coming through, and then things were just backing up

2098
01:41:34,013 --> 01:41:37,492
Speaker 2: what I actually needed to be done. And I figured

2099
01:41:37,772 --> 01:41:39,772
Speaker 2: after about two months of this that I was being

2100
01:41:39,812 --> 01:41:41,772
Speaker 2: filibusted so I wouldn't do what I needed to do.

2101
01:41:43,173 --> 01:41:47,973
Speaker 3: Highly likely might have any conspiracy theory, Matt, meetings and

2102
01:41:48,013 --> 01:41:49,333
Speaker 3: time limits your thoughts?

2103
01:41:50,452 --> 01:41:52,732
Speaker 18: Yeah, did you hear me?

2104
01:41:52,933 --> 01:41:53,133
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2105
01:41:53,173 --> 01:41:55,852
Speaker 3: He in loud and clear, Matt, Yeah, thank you.

2106
01:41:56,853 --> 01:41:58,092
Speaker 18: It's really interesting topic.

2107
01:41:58,133 --> 01:41:59,053
Speaker 15: I just really want to share.

2108
01:41:59,213 --> 01:42:02,532
Speaker 18: I would say like between half an hour to one

2109
01:42:02,612 --> 01:42:05,372
Speaker 18: hour is the time, you know, to discuss on the point,

2110
01:42:05,893 --> 01:42:09,013
Speaker 18: and would be good if you just just present the

2111
01:42:09,133 --> 01:42:11,612
Speaker 18: facts instead of just you know, reading a novel in

2112
01:42:11,692 --> 01:42:14,693
Speaker 18: a meeting and just telling the stories there without.

2113
01:42:14,492 --> 01:42:15,333
Speaker 4: Facts and figures.

2114
01:42:15,853 --> 01:42:17,412
Speaker 18: And I'll tell you like a little I used to

2115
01:42:17,452 --> 01:42:20,293
Speaker 18: work in a healthcare company before I'm still a healthcare

2116
01:42:20,333 --> 01:42:23,933
Speaker 18: I used to work before in a big company, and

2117
01:42:24,053 --> 01:42:25,812
Speaker 18: we used to have like a two hours meeting.

2118
01:42:25,652 --> 01:42:28,973
Speaker 3: Part day, a two hour meeting. What sorry, you just

2119
01:42:29,013 --> 01:42:30,572
Speaker 3: cut out there, So.

2120
01:42:30,772 --> 01:42:32,812
Speaker 18: Two hours meeting part day.

2121
01:42:33,173 --> 01:42:35,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, and every day.

2122
01:42:35,692 --> 01:42:38,333
Speaker 18: I mean, and when you come to the next meeting

2123
01:42:38,973 --> 01:42:42,572
Speaker 18: and you ask people that you know the things are done,

2124
01:42:42,772 --> 01:42:45,813
Speaker 18: and you know the blank I mean, there's no comfortability,

2125
01:42:45,853 --> 01:42:49,452
Speaker 18: accountability and you know, I mean, that's that's just wastage

2126
01:42:49,492 --> 01:42:49,892
Speaker 18: of time.

2127
01:42:50,013 --> 01:42:52,692
Speaker 3: To totally, I would say, what are the day to

2128
01:42:52,772 --> 01:42:55,412
Speaker 3: your motivation mat I.

2129
01:42:55,492 --> 01:42:58,492
Speaker 18: Mean, I would say, like just stick to the point.

2130
01:42:59,293 --> 01:43:02,692
Speaker 18: The meeting should be unlative, like anywhere between half an

2131
01:43:02,732 --> 01:43:05,732
Speaker 18: hour to one hour, and you know, took about the facts.

2132
01:43:05,933 --> 01:43:10,293
Speaker 18: And as for the meeting notes, do what the senior

2133
01:43:10,333 --> 01:43:13,652
Speaker 18: said to you or whatever your points are, I mean,

2134
01:43:14,412 --> 01:43:16,493
Speaker 18: not to d should be there should be a productivity,

2135
01:43:16,572 --> 01:43:19,852
Speaker 18: you know, shouldn't be just a time list like one

2136
01:43:19,933 --> 01:43:22,013
Speaker 18: hour two hour every day and you have to be

2137
01:43:22,093 --> 01:43:24,213
Speaker 18: in a meeting if you don't need to meet, then

2138
01:43:24,412 --> 01:43:25,772
Speaker 18: you don't need to be in the meeting.

2139
01:43:25,973 --> 01:43:27,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well what was it?

2140
01:43:28,973 --> 01:43:31,572
Speaker 2: Elon Musk has this role with his meetings that if

2141
01:43:32,133 --> 01:43:35,852
Speaker 2: if you suddenly noticed that it's no longer in your camp,

2142
01:43:36,333 --> 01:43:38,812
Speaker 2: in your area, you just leave the meeting and with

2143
01:43:38,893 --> 01:43:41,052
Speaker 2: that you don't have to say anything at all, because

2144
01:43:41,213 --> 01:43:43,253
Speaker 2: you know, you have these meetings where it goes for

2145
01:43:43,293 --> 01:43:45,093
Speaker 2: a while. Then you get to someone and they go, oh,

2146
01:43:45,133 --> 01:43:47,492
Speaker 2: I've got nothing to report on that, or you know

2147
01:43:47,572 --> 01:43:48,572
Speaker 2: anything from my ad?

2148
01:43:48,732 --> 01:43:48,932
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2149
01:43:48,933 --> 01:43:51,812
Speaker 3: Anything, nothing right, And it's like, what are you doing

2150
01:43:51,853 --> 01:43:53,852
Speaker 3: in the meeting? Get sat through forty five minutes of

2151
01:43:53,933 --> 01:43:56,293
Speaker 3: listening to absolute nonsense just to say nothing for my ad?

2152
01:43:57,372 --> 01:44:00,372
Speaker 18: Yeah, And I mean I've seen and so many people

2153
01:44:00,412 --> 01:44:03,253
Speaker 18: in a meeting they just sit blank, you even know nothing,

2154
01:44:03,372 --> 01:44:05,932
Speaker 18: speak nothing, and sit for an hour and two Low

2155
01:44:07,013 --> 01:44:10,013
Speaker 18: they're getting stayed for that man, Yeah, I didn't know

2156
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Speaker 18: what's going on.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's the danger, isn't it. Mat Is that,

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01:44:13,853 --> 01:44:15,372
Speaker 3: as you said, if you've got a two hour meeting

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01:44:15,412 --> 01:44:17,333
Speaker 3: each day and you get frustrated because you want to

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01:44:17,412 --> 01:44:19,612
Speaker 3: you want things to happen and an action plan to

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01:44:19,652 --> 01:44:21,492
Speaker 3: be put in place. But there'll be some of those

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01:44:21,532 --> 01:44:24,572
Speaker 3: employees that look forward to that two hour meeting just

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01:44:24,652 --> 01:44:27,652
Speaker 3: so they can sit back and just do some day dreaming.

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01:44:27,893 --> 01:44:30,932
Speaker 3: And they know that their mental you know, workload during

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01:44:31,013 --> 01:44:33,773
Speaker 3: that time is minimal exallically.

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Speaker 18: I mean I would say out of that two hours,

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01:44:36,692 --> 01:44:39,532
Speaker 18: my my, my, actual, you know, I would just take

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01:44:39,572 --> 01:44:41,812
Speaker 18: a half an hour, notage. I just need a half

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01:44:41,853 --> 01:44:44,652
Speaker 18: an hour just say things lesson to you know, to

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Speaker 18: do the action things dortage. I don't need to be

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01:44:47,372 --> 01:44:48,013
Speaker 18: there for you.

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01:44:48,053 --> 01:44:48,932
Speaker 17: The rest of the time.

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01:44:49,532 --> 01:44:49,572
Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 18: On top that, you know, you just expect, like to

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01:44:53,213 --> 01:44:57,213
Speaker 18: reach the APIs and you know, an extra lord. And

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01:44:57,532 --> 01:44:59,253
Speaker 18: I mean I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: In some company.

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01:45:01,572 --> 01:45:03,532
Speaker 3: Thank if you call mat yeah spot on. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you're running a really solid.

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01:45:05,333 --> 01:45:08,892
Speaker 2: Agenda for a meeting and you're cheering the meeting, surely

2181
01:45:09,333 --> 01:45:11,492
Speaker 2: it should be worked out so this meeting will be

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01:45:12,652 --> 01:45:16,852
Speaker 2: twenty seven minutes, or this meeting will be forty three minutes,

2183
01:45:17,692 --> 01:45:19,852
Speaker 2: so you know, you go, well, this topic will take

2184
01:45:20,293 --> 01:45:22,452
Speaker 2: will allow four minutes for this one, this one's short,

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01:45:22,492 --> 01:45:23,293
Speaker 2: or allowed two for that.

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01:45:24,412 --> 01:45:27,173
Speaker 3: Surely you could be more accurate in the meetingly, get

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01:45:27,213 --> 01:45:28,092
Speaker 3: it down to precision.

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01:45:28,692 --> 01:45:31,692
Speaker 2: It's like you know in cricket where we celebrate getting

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01:45:31,692 --> 01:45:35,452
Speaker 2: one hundred, but you know ninety nine is considered a failure.

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01:45:35,612 --> 01:45:37,092
Speaker 3: But it's just one run difference.

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01:45:37,173 --> 01:45:38,772
Speaker 2: And in the morning, if you could say that you're

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01:45:38,772 --> 01:45:40,772
Speaker 2: going to get ninety nine batting today, you'd be very happy.

2193
01:45:41,213 --> 01:45:43,213
Speaker 2: But yet we have these numbers in our head that

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01:45:43,293 --> 01:45:45,772
Speaker 2: we're so we like even numbers, right, Yeah, Like this

2195
01:45:45,973 --> 01:45:48,133
Speaker 2: meeting is an hour, this meeting is half an hour,

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01:45:48,372 --> 01:45:52,452
Speaker 2: this meeting is two hours. The meeting should be twenty

2197
01:45:52,933 --> 01:45:58,213
Speaker 2: three hours and fifteen seconds. My brother was a CEO.

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01:45:58,372 --> 01:46:00,652
Speaker 2: This is further to what I was saying before. My

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01:46:00,732 --> 01:46:03,652
Speaker 2: brother was SEO of many, a large company in London.

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01:46:03,692 --> 01:46:06,012
Speaker 3: In New York. He would often run his meeting standing

2201
01:46:06,133 --> 01:46:08,892
Speaker 3: up so they didn't drag. That's a great strategy. Can

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01:46:08,893 --> 01:46:10,652
Speaker 3: you hear from you though, oh eight hundred and eighty

2203
01:46:10,893 --> 01:46:14,692
Speaker 3: ten eighty, what is the best strategy from keeping meetings

2204
01:46:14,772 --> 01:46:17,812
Speaker 3: too to a time limit? Love to hear from you.

2205
01:46:18,173 --> 01:46:20,932
Speaker 3: Brad says, this uber driver is getting two stars. It's

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01:46:20,973 --> 01:46:22,732
Speaker 3: not on the topic, but it is interesting. I wonder

2207
01:46:22,812 --> 01:46:24,892
Speaker 3: what he's done. He kind of been they're bad. Two stars.

2208
01:46:24,933 --> 01:46:27,452
Speaker 3: That's pretty low, but thanks for sharing bread. Yeah, chess

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01:46:27,572 --> 01:46:31,853
Speaker 3: potentially not meant for us, but yeah, good the issues.

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01:46:31,492 --> 01:46:33,932
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

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01:46:34,213 --> 01:46:37,692
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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01:46:37,492 --> 01:46:41,013
Speaker 3: Be very good afternoon, jud Is sixteen to four. Do

2213
01:46:41,133 --> 01:46:43,452
Speaker 3: we have a problem with too many meetings in this country?

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01:46:44,093 --> 01:46:50,532
Speaker 2: Simon? Your ex military had a meeting's work in the military. Well, yeah,

2215
01:46:50,732 --> 01:46:53,652
Speaker 2: you're there, yeap, we can hear loud and clear, Simon.

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01:46:55,412 --> 01:46:55,612
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:46:56,293 --> 01:46:59,692
Speaker 20: What I thought was interesting with this topic was I've

2218
01:46:59,772 --> 01:47:02,852
Speaker 20: worked in the military, but I've also worked in corporate

2219
01:47:03,612 --> 01:47:06,572
Speaker 20: in environments, and I've also worked in the construction industry.

2220
01:47:07,133 --> 01:47:10,892
Speaker 20: And yeah, by far, out of all those three industries,

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01:47:11,013 --> 01:47:14,333
Speaker 20: by far, the most efficient at meetings were believed or

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01:47:14,372 --> 01:47:21,132
Speaker 20: not the Army, and the reason was because the army.

2223
01:47:21,013 --> 01:47:22,052
Speaker 4: Is task focused.

2224
01:47:22,812 --> 01:47:24,253
Speaker 17: You know, everything you do in the Army is.

2225
01:47:24,293 --> 01:47:28,253
Speaker 20: Driven towards achieving something, and if you're not achieving something.

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01:47:28,412 --> 01:47:32,973
Speaker 3: Then you know, it's considered superfluous, which makes a lot

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01:47:33,013 --> 01:47:35,532
Speaker 3: of sense. So what would an average meeting look like

2228
01:47:35,652 --> 01:47:36,333
Speaker 3: in the military.

2229
01:47:38,093 --> 01:47:41,532
Speaker 20: Well, yeah, I mean there's two types of meetings in

2230
01:47:41,572 --> 01:47:45,333
Speaker 20: the military. There's that your administrative meetings where you had

2231
01:47:45,372 --> 01:47:47,933
Speaker 20: to you know, your day to day running of you know,

2232
01:47:48,133 --> 01:47:51,293
Speaker 20: your administration, logistics and all that sort of thing, and

2233
01:47:51,412 --> 01:47:55,253
Speaker 20: that was sort of your you know, your housekeeping. But

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01:47:55,372 --> 01:47:59,572
Speaker 20: then you also had obviously the meetings that were sort

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01:47:59,572 --> 01:48:02,652
Speaker 20: of we used to call them orderscript vo groups where

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01:48:02,973 --> 01:48:05,133
Speaker 20: you know, if you were doing a military activity, that's

2237
01:48:05,173 --> 01:48:08,213
Speaker 20: where the plan was explained, your mission, you were, did

2238
01:48:08,412 --> 01:48:11,692
Speaker 20: your mission, given the chance to ask any relevant questions,

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01:48:11,732 --> 01:48:13,732
Speaker 20: and in a way you went with that information. Now,

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Speaker 20: those were very very concise because the whoever was in

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01:48:18,013 --> 01:48:22,013
Speaker 20: command of that was giving you specifics on exactly what

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01:48:22,173 --> 01:48:23,852
Speaker 20: you needed to do and if the only time you

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01:48:24,013 --> 01:48:26,452
Speaker 20: questioned them was if you were unsure of what he

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01:48:26,572 --> 01:48:31,892
Speaker 20: was asking you to do. Yeah, But the administrative side

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01:48:32,013 --> 01:48:35,333
Speaker 20: was very much, you know, similar to a corporate you know,

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01:48:35,412 --> 01:48:36,772
Speaker 20: the same sort of thing that you get in a

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01:48:36,812 --> 01:48:41,972
Speaker 20: corporate environment. But people were as soon as they finished

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01:48:42,053 --> 01:48:44,053
Speaker 20: what they needed to do or you had achieved what

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01:48:44,173 --> 01:48:47,293
Speaker 20: you needed to do, everyone was more focused on getting

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Speaker 20: back to their real job, you know, which was in

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01:48:50,412 --> 01:48:53,732
Speaker 20: most cases commanding soldiers or training soldiers or whatever it was.

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01:48:54,333 --> 01:48:57,452
Speaker 20: But the desire wasn't there to linger.

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01:48:58,612 --> 01:49:01,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, which makes sense in an outfit like the military.

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01:49:01,812 --> 01:49:05,252
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's what's needed that we get military

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01:49:05,333 --> 01:49:07,932
Speaker 3: personnel to go around corporate New Zealand and just say

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01:49:07,973 --> 01:49:09,692
Speaker 3: this is how can you kind of run your meetings

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01:49:09,732 --> 01:49:10,133
Speaker 3: from now on.

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01:49:11,372 --> 01:49:13,133
Speaker 20: I don't think that would go down very well. I

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01:49:13,173 --> 01:49:15,253
Speaker 20: think there might be a few upset people if you did.

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01:49:15,213 --> 01:49:20,773
Speaker 2: That with their protocols around meetings under fire and emergency

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01:49:20,853 --> 01:49:23,532
Speaker 2: situations that you yeah.

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01:49:23,412 --> 01:49:26,253
Speaker 20: Well, I mean that's exactly what you train for. And

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01:49:26,333 --> 01:49:29,972
Speaker 20: that's exactly the reason why at an O group it's

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01:49:30,053 --> 01:49:33,372
Speaker 20: so business like, because you know, in a lot of cases,

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01:49:33,452 --> 01:49:36,692
Speaker 20: time is important, and the quicker you can get your

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01:49:37,133 --> 01:49:40,732
Speaker 20: information across that everyone can confirm that they understand it,

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01:49:41,133 --> 01:49:42,692
Speaker 20: and the quicker you can go off and do what

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01:49:42,812 --> 01:49:45,772
Speaker 20: you need to do. And because that's, you know, how

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01:49:45,853 --> 01:49:48,853
Speaker 20: you train to do your job. I think that attitude,

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01:49:49,173 --> 01:49:52,333
Speaker 20: you know, sort of ran over into the more administrative

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01:49:52,412 --> 01:49:54,652
Speaker 20: side of things and people were more focused on doing

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01:49:54,692 --> 01:49:57,173
Speaker 20: it rather than talking about it. Yeah.

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01:49:57,293 --> 01:50:00,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean life and death kind of situations. Yeah,

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01:50:00,732 --> 01:50:03,892
Speaker 2: you know, there's no time for just sort of trying

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01:50:03,933 --> 01:50:06,812
Speaker 2: to set back and chew up some time in the day. Yeah,

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01:50:06,853 --> 01:50:10,572
Speaker 2: sitting still doing nothing interesting, experiment to do to just

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01:50:10,612 --> 01:50:12,772
Speaker 2: see how many meetings if you're invited to a lot

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01:50:12,812 --> 01:50:15,932
Speaker 2: of meetings that you go to without ever saying anything.

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01:50:16,692 --> 01:50:18,652
Speaker 2: Because if you go to a meeting and don't say anything,

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01:50:18,732 --> 01:50:20,412
Speaker 2: and then you're invited to the next meeting, and then

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01:50:20,452 --> 01:50:22,293
Speaker 2: the next meeting and the next meeting. I mean I

2282
01:50:22,333 --> 01:50:24,333
Speaker 2: guess some people that doesn't quite make sense because some

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01:50:24,372 --> 01:50:25,172
Speaker 2: people are there.

2284
01:50:25,053 --> 01:50:28,412
Speaker 3: To just be told stuff. Yeah, just to listen and

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01:50:28,572 --> 01:50:31,572
Speaker 3: take on the information. But like this text here, get

2286
01:50:31,612 --> 01:50:35,333
Speaker 3: a guys. Social service agencies are terrible, poorly run, lots

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01:50:35,333 --> 01:50:37,812
Speaker 3: of touchy, fairly stuff and a round of what everyone

2288
01:50:38,253 --> 01:50:41,412
Speaker 3: did at the weekend. Such a waste of time for bridget.

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01:50:41,452 --> 01:50:44,772
Speaker 2: This textas says, having worked in numerous workplaces, I generally

2290
01:50:44,812 --> 01:50:47,372
Speaker 2: find right leaning teams are more focused and direct and

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01:50:47,412 --> 01:50:48,932
Speaker 2: want to result from each meeting.

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01:50:49,053 --> 01:50:49,213
Speaker 8: Well.

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01:50:49,293 --> 01:50:52,173
Speaker 2: Left leaning staff will often suggest another meeting to make

2294
01:50:52,213 --> 01:50:55,053
Speaker 2: a decision and not rush to answer. Take from that

2295
01:50:55,253 --> 01:50:55,772
Speaker 2: what you will.

2296
01:50:56,532 --> 01:51:00,053
Speaker 3: Politics in the boardroom, well, this one is quite controversial.

2297
01:51:00,133 --> 01:51:02,372
Speaker 3: Get a guys. The company I work for is one

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01:51:02,612 --> 01:51:06,933
Speaker 3: hundred percent women employees and management, including me, and it

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01:51:06,973 --> 01:51:09,892
Speaker 3: feels like nothing can get without another face to face meeting.

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01:51:10,013 --> 01:51:12,333
Speaker 3: Everything needs to be talked out, which feels like a

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01:51:12,412 --> 01:51:14,572
Speaker 3: massive waste of time when you just need someone to

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01:51:14,652 --> 01:51:16,652
Speaker 3: take action. Was that from a female?

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01:51:16,732 --> 01:51:16,972
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:51:17,572 --> 01:51:22,492
Speaker 3: Right, So the implication there is that it's primarily females

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01:51:22,572 --> 01:51:24,972
Speaker 3: that like, are we face to face one.

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01:51:24,893 --> 01:51:26,893
Speaker 2: Hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you a female that

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01:51:27,013 --> 01:51:29,973
Speaker 2: thinks females do too much talking in meetings and not

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01:51:30,133 --> 01:51:30,772
Speaker 2: enough doing.

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01:51:30,973 --> 01:51:32,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to hit back at that, by

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01:51:32,492 --> 01:51:33,652
Speaker 3: all means, give us a call.

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01:51:34,013 --> 01:51:36,532
Speaker 2: This texasays you're confusing a meeting with a discussion. Meetings

2312
01:51:36,612 --> 01:51:39,133
Speaker 2: have an agenda, make decisions, a point task, and who's

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01:51:39,173 --> 01:51:42,372
Speaker 2: responsible and when they'll have action completed. A good meeting

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01:51:42,452 --> 01:51:46,092
Speaker 2: lasts no more than thirty minutes, absolutely not one second

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01:51:46,213 --> 01:51:49,612
Speaker 2: over an hour. Discussions are a talk fest with no

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01:51:49,732 --> 01:51:53,492
Speaker 2: real takeaways or responsibilities or actions.

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01:51:53,812 --> 01:51:56,652
Speaker 3: Succinctly said, keep those teas coming through on nine two

2318
01:51:56,812 --> 01:51:59,612
Speaker 3: nine to two. Heymen.

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01:51:59,893 --> 01:52:02,812
Speaker 2: As a farmer, I couldn't understand how the corporate four

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01:52:02,933 --> 01:52:06,572
Speaker 2: day work week could possibly possibly happen with productivity to

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01:52:06,652 --> 01:52:09,253
Speaker 2: remain constant in some cases a parent improve after this

2322
01:52:09,372 --> 01:52:11,452
Speaker 2: topic of meetings became very clear.

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01:52:11,532 --> 01:52:15,333
Speaker 3: Why, Yeah, farmers do not have time for multiple meetings. Yea, Oh,

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01:52:15,412 --> 01:52:18,013
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number, to

2325
01:52:18,053 --> 01:52:20,093
Speaker 3: call love to hear your thoughts. It's eleven to four.

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01:52:21,093 --> 01:52:24,452
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2327
01:52:24,812 --> 01:52:28,892
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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01:52:28,933 --> 01:52:32,812
Speaker 3: They'd be news talks. There'd be eight to four, Terry,

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01:52:32,933 --> 01:52:33,932
Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

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01:52:34,452 --> 01:52:34,572
Speaker 8: Oh?

2331
01:52:34,812 --> 01:52:39,652
Speaker 21: Very good, thank you. But all Harkers should all meet.

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01:52:39,692 --> 01:52:44,172
Speaker 21: He should start with a Harker and the national anthem

2333
01:52:44,333 --> 01:52:47,532
Speaker 21: sang in four different languages or three or four anyway.

2334
01:52:48,372 --> 01:52:51,093
Speaker 21: You know you've got to take it all very seriously.

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01:52:51,173 --> 01:52:55,732
Speaker 3: Okay, very very successfully. Book He sports the long intro

2336
01:52:55,853 --> 01:52:58,172
Speaker 3: to a meeting their Terry. Unless he was being facetious,

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01:52:58,253 --> 01:53:00,932
Speaker 3: I think he might have been. Yeah, plenty of teacher

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01:53:00,973 --> 01:53:02,772
Speaker 3: coming through on nine two ninety two.

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01:53:03,013 --> 01:53:05,612
Speaker 2: As a family helicopter business, we have to have meetings

2340
01:53:05,732 --> 01:53:08,213
Speaker 2: mum and dad and kids. It's always turns into a

2341
01:53:08,532 --> 01:53:10,692
Speaker 2: huge debate and a bit of yelling and we get

2342
01:53:10,732 --> 01:53:13,612
Speaker 2: through it and still love each other. Rather not have them,

2343
01:53:13,933 --> 01:53:18,972
Speaker 2: but part of caa very good family helicopter business. Hey guys,

2344
01:53:19,133 --> 01:53:21,173
Speaker 2: I used to work for a Dutch company. They know

2345
01:53:21,253 --> 01:53:23,093
Speaker 2: how to run a meeting. If it was scheduled to

2346
01:53:23,133 --> 01:53:25,812
Speaker 2: start at one pm. Everyone would be online and logged

2347
01:53:25,853 --> 01:53:28,173
Speaker 2: in by twelve fifty five and never went past the

2348
01:53:28,213 --> 01:53:30,893
Speaker 2: scheduled finished time, clear agenda and outcomes.

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01:53:31,333 --> 01:53:32,013
Speaker 4: Yeah like that.

2350
01:53:32,213 --> 01:53:33,813
Speaker 3: The Dutch they don't muck around.

2351
01:53:34,253 --> 01:53:37,812
Speaker 2: Says at the first AI meeting, this is good. At

2352
01:53:37,853 --> 01:53:40,773
Speaker 2: the first AA meeting they said, don't hang around with alcoholics.

2353
01:53:40,853 --> 01:53:42,293
Speaker 2: So I stopped going to AA meetings.

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01:53:42,692 --> 01:53:45,532
Speaker 3: Very good, So I get a Matt and Tyler the

2355
01:53:45,692 --> 01:53:49,012
Speaker 3: last call from the Army. I work within the forces

2356
01:53:49,213 --> 01:53:52,333
Speaker 3: and have come from a corporate background. I have noticed

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01:53:52,412 --> 01:53:55,333
Speaker 3: that working with ranks, they all need to be told

2358
01:53:55,452 --> 01:53:57,692
Speaker 3: what the job is and what needs to be done,

2359
01:53:58,213 --> 01:54:00,772
Speaker 3: rather than asking for input. I suspect that's why their

2360
01:54:00,853 --> 01:54:02,293
Speaker 3: meetings are so efficient.

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01:54:03,173 --> 01:54:05,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean shouldn't that be kind of the

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01:54:05,732 --> 01:54:08,812
Speaker 2: way for a lot of meetings? I mean, are they

2363
01:54:08,893 --> 01:54:09,732
Speaker 2: sort of getting together?

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01:54:10,013 --> 01:54:10,293
Speaker 3: I guess.

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01:54:10,372 --> 01:54:12,572
Speaker 2: But then again, if you're just getting orders in a corporation,

2366
01:54:12,652 --> 01:54:13,772
Speaker 2: then what do you need to have a meeting?

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01:54:14,133 --> 01:54:16,532
Speaker 3: If it's just do this, do this, do this, do this? Yeah,

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01:54:16,572 --> 01:54:17,692
Speaker 3: because it just an email.

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01:54:17,812 --> 01:54:19,412
Speaker 2: Just goes back to what everyone says that they're badly

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Speaker 2: run meetings if nothing happens on it, if you don't

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Speaker 2: go around and get people to put and put in

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Speaker 2: the area that they are expert on to help the

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Speaker 2: other people.

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Speaker 3: Know where things are going. Then what's the point in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the trouble is that meetings get booked for an

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Speaker 2: hour in the public service, then everyone feels they just

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Speaker 2: need to use up that time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's rife in the public service, but

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Speaker 3: rife everywhere. Yeah, and this one, guys, I just lost

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Speaker 3: it here. It is work for Health New Zealand. At

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Speaker 3: least one meeting a week with one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: plus people for one hour. Best one. I've had three

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty seven people in a meeting. You were

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Speaker 3: just there to listen about how stuffed everything is. But

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Speaker 3: you are all great employees as well. Thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for that. I think it's a very good point

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Speaker 3: from Aaron. I have to read it out.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's worse having meetings about meeting or

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Speaker 2: talking about how many meetings we are having.

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Speaker 3: It's a good point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I've actually found talking about meetings has really stuck the

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Speaker 2: life out of me.

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Speaker 3: So thank goodness that chat is over. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. No more meetings, reasoning to presenting so we

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Speaker 3: can put this meeting to bed. Yeah, no more meetings,

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Speaker 3: no more talking about meetings. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you so much for us in the show.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow afternoons. The Sir Paul Holmes Broadcaster

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Speaker 2: of the Year, Heather du Pas Allen is up next.

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Speaker 2: But right now, Tyler, why am I playing the song?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Dear Leppard? Am I going to venture? Why I

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Speaker 3: think you're talking about this year? I am because we

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Speaker 3: had a great chat about people who have lost a

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Speaker 3: limb and then adapting to life without alarm. Have I

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Speaker 3: got this right? Because one of the drummers had lost

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Speaker 3: a lost a limb. One of the drummers, the drummer

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Speaker 3: Rick Allen. Yeah, he only had one arm. What a legend.

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Speaker 2: Well he still only has one arm. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for tuning in until tomorrow.

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