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Speaker 2: Hello are you great New Zealanders And welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one four eight for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the eighteenth of June twenty twenty five. What a show

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Speaker 2: it was today, Oh my God, turns out the listeners

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Speaker 2: to the mattin Tyler afternoons on zib do not trust

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Speaker 2: the government and refuse to give any details to them

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Speaker 2: on the census census the light of census. Not because

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Speaker 2: they're lazy, couldn't be bother filling it out apparently according

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Speaker 2: to them, but no, because they don't trust the government

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Speaker 2: with their info yep.

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Speaker 3: And also fantastic chat about angry tourists over in Southern

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Speaker 3: Europe and the Mona Lisa. Yeah not a hate for

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Speaker 3: the Mona Lisa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah there was. And also we answer your employment questions

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Speaker 2: with Gareth Abden Noor. And also I run the temperature

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Speaker 2: in the studio at thirty one degrees to just to

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Speaker 2: see how so listen and see if you can spot

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Speaker 2: Tier getting rest as it gets hotter and hotter in here.

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Speaker 3: The boss had to come in and have a talking

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Speaker 3: to Matt and saying Heather's not going to like this,

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Speaker 3: Mike Costkin's not going to like this. He didn't really

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Speaker 3: care about how I felt, but Mike Coskin and hither

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Speaker 3: it gave me a real.

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Speaker 2: Dressing down for trying to burn Tyler alive in the studio.

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Speaker 3: A great show and also of course today was an

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Speaker 3: important day for Bell Canton, New Zealand day and lou

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Speaker 3: which was down at Eden Park. So if you text

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Speaker 3: Lou l Low to three seven seven nine, instant three

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Speaker 3: buck donation to Bell Camps in New Zealand. Awesome charity.

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Speaker 3: They're doing great work and jeep as it's important. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: good on you mate, So download, subscribe, give us a

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Speaker 2: Give a taste keewi from us.

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Speaker 1: I love you the big stories, the leak issues, the

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Speaker 1: big trends and everything in between. Matty's and Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk said the.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show on this Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Hope you're doing fantastic. Weev you're listening in the trick

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Speaker 3: man gide.

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Speaker 2: Tyler tell you what if you're from the South Island,

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Speaker 2: you're never allowed to complain about cold once you moved

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Speaker 2: to the North Island. Just before I said, I'm a

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Speaker 2: bit Chili and anyone's like I thought you were from denoted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, heard up. The teas came through, think and fast.

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Speaker 2: We're still human, just because with the South Island as

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Speaker 2: living in the North Island, it's got feelings too people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely hard enough, mate, I mean, well, well.

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Speaker 2: The problem is that I was I was part of

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Speaker 2: a formal presentation at the Grand Millennium this morning on

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Speaker 2: radio and audio, and I was on stage, and so

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Speaker 2: I'm having to wear a nice, nice jacket. There's a

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Speaker 2: nice jacket, Yeah, but then nice jacket's not getting very

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Speaker 2: warm and I can't I can't go from jacket to

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Speaker 2: T shirt. I'm going to a complicated middle ground here. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you stop calling me a wortz just because I've pumped

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Speaker 2: the temperature up on the conditioning.

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Speaker 3: I had a look before and it's actually at twenty

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Speaker 3: and nobody wants to see that. Right before we get

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Speaker 3: to the show, you wanted to mention something about sausage rolls.

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Speaker 2: show before. But there's a very sausage right, a thing

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Speaker 2: that do not need any flar. When you go to

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Speaker 2: and it was a fancy pants sausage roll with too

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Speaker 3: Okay, but you can't trust a sausage roll or do,

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Speaker 3: It will be hard, be hard, but we'll get you there. Mate.

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Speaker 3: On to today's show because it is a doozy of

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Speaker 3: a show after three point thirty. It is a Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: so it's asked the expert series that we always do

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Speaker 3: and today he's super popular. Gareth abdenall employment law expert

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Speaker 3: from Abden Or Law. He'll be taking your questions and

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Speaker 3: calls after three p thirty if you've got any issues

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Speaker 3: with your workers, the boss, employment quandaries. He's a man

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Speaker 3: to chat too.

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Speaker 2: And after three we've got a little bit of chat

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Speaker 2: about cleaning toilets. We've also got a chat about Day

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Speaker 3: Incredibly important. After two o'clock so the squirt guns have

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Speaker 3: returned to the streets of Barcelona. Thousands gathered for long

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Speaker 3: and bath Alona against mass tourisms just doesn't sound right,

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Speaker 2: So just too many tourists in Europe. People hitting the

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Speaker 2: when the America's Cup was in Spain, there were protests

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile in New Zealand like please come, please come back.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that chat after two o'clock, But right now,

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Speaker 3: Is this a sad state of affairs we are at

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Speaker 3: It collects a lot of data that is vital for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because one of the reasons why they're not doing it.

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Speaker 2: They gave several reasons why they're not going to do it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we never used to freak out about it so much.

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Speaker 3: And it's just confusing to me about why people took

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Speaker 2: Well, I think people are just lame and lazy and

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. As I stayed up so late,

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Speaker 2: and it was complex working out on my kids, tribes

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Speaker 2: And then later the news was we're giving people rewards

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you missed out on Warrior's tickets, you missed

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Speaker 3: out on KFC. But really, can you hear from you

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Speaker 3: on this? I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty yeah? Or

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Speaker 3: do you just mistrust the government and hate it all.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that you were lazy that you didn't fill

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Speaker 2: out the census for you just thought, get out of me,

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Speaker 2: Get out of here. I'm not giving you my information.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend to be a Jedi just

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Speaker 2: to upset the religious make a mockery of the what

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Speaker 3: YEP, really keen to hear from you. Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 3: That'd be good afternoon. We are talking about the census.

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Speaker 3: The days of the traditional census done. According to the government.

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Speaker 3: Minister of Statistics, doctor Shane Ready, has announced this morning

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Speaker 3: first census. It effectively means they'll use organizations government departments

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Speaker 3: already in existence. They have information about you to collect

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Speaker 3: data for the census.

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Speaker 2: For example, if they want to know how much you paid,

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Speaker 2: which is interesting that they believe what people said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But my thing with it is, as I get it,

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Speaker 2: wrong to get rid of it, it just says that we've

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Speaker 2: care about your fellow countrymen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty love

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Speaker 3: your thoughts on the end of the census, traditional census.

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Speaker 3: Get a Glenn, you get a boy, very good. What

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Speaker 4: Well, the last census was the death Now. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm nearly fifty of field. Nff you, and that was

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Speaker 2: What kind of questions did you not like in it? Glenn?

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Speaker 4: What is the difference if I'm Maori or parkih I'm

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Speaker 4: What is it if I am a transitioning person, if

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Speaker 4: is not the census. The census is Helbig is Roxburgh

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Speaker 4: doesn't need a hospital, Helberg is Kutia doesn't need a

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Speaker 3: What about?

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Speaker 2: What about some of the questions though, Glenn, there are

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Speaker 4: It's a good question. Yeah, it is to talk and

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Speaker 4: There was a whole section of that which I skipped

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Speaker 4: It was absolutely crap.

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Speaker 2: Well because that's because that's something because Glenn, that's something

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Speaker 5: Is it.

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Speaker 4: No, and they only got themselves to blame. I mean,

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Speaker 4: And that's what ststy zone does and has been wrong

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Speaker 4: you know what, you're irrelevant and now these guys are

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Speaker 3: Do you worry how they'll find find out this information

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Speaker 3: now though, Glenn, because arguably and the nuts and bolts

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Speaker 3: to find out this information, they'll be using your health records.

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Speaker 3: They'll be using all of this private information that you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I hope that the that the

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Speaker 4: and that's little she did on who who's running the show?

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Speaker 4: But they I mean, as I said, they've only got

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Speaker 4: They were asking the questions which were cool at the time.

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Speaker 4: Argu you're going to drive the deven four to the

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Speaker 2: So you don't like questions about and you don't like

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Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's pretty important when you start,

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Speaker 4: to me it is about finding out what le slavor

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Speaker 4: That's what the census is for, not trying to prove

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Speaker 4: And so I want to like that cause your job

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for you Corglin.

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Speaker 3: But Glenn, I mean he was it was pretty worked

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Speaker 3: It's not like they come back knocking on your doors saying,

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Speaker 3: excuse me, you answer this or we're going to arrest you.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the point of I guess then that asks

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty love to hear your

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking

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Speaker 7: Me and Browns the Health Ministry, of course, are these

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Speaker 1: So it's an improvement.

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Speaker 8: We're committed to releasing this information so that the public

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Speaker 1: Way to go.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised about the angst around the private segment?

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Speaker 8: Look, there's lots of noise from the unions, the Labor Party,

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Speaker 8: I don't think a patient key is when they're sitting

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Speaker 1: For?

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Speaker 8: They're focused on getting their treatment done, and that is

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Speaker 2: Patients need back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking

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Speaker 2: Breakfast with the Defender oct News Talk ZB Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So the traditional census is no more. The government instead

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Speaker 2: Glenn is on the money, says this text a great

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Speaker 2: call from Glenn. Stats was woke crap in last effort,

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Speaker 2: But this text of pushes back and says Glenn is

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Speaker 2: an ignorant cloud hopper.

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Speaker 3: Cloud hopper, I haven't heard that before cloud hopper?

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Speaker 2: Is that a well known description of someone a cloud hopper?

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what a cloude is.

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Speaker 2: We have cloude fights in Prospect Park in Dneda when

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Speaker 2: I was growing up. But I know what a cloud

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Speaker 3: It's a lump of earth or clay or a stupid person.

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Speaker 3: So jumping over a stupid person? Is that that a

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Speaker 2: I love that. That's good. Let's start using Claude hopper.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 2: Call regarding senses. Reckon, I'll have to exit my border flatmate,

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Speaker 2: as I don't need the IOD in internal fairs, figuring

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it coming for you, Hi, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: And the partner Pater, thank you. I do hate parsnips.

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Speaker 2: The Missus and I had done our civic duty and

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Speaker 2: where that Henry and his wife got followed up so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope you've got a bucket chicken for all

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Speaker 3: that hassel Henry.

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Speaker 10: Hi there, No, I'm so glad it's given up on

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Speaker 10: his stupid census scorns for too person. You put your

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Speaker 10: and now there will be no way they're going to

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Speaker 10: access your medical records. That's illegal. Medical called a highly

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Speaker 10: confidential so nobody's learned to reveal what's in them all.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if they can look at broadly though,

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Speaker 2: the government might be able to find out certain things

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Speaker 10: I don't like the fact that the e we had

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Speaker 10: access to a record and so that I'm glad that stopped.

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Speaker 2: Now, oh that's yeah, Well, I'm not sure we were

438
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Speaker 2: sitting out with that that that's that scandal at the

439
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Speaker 2: moment we we we got to the end of that investigation.

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Speaker 3: Yet there was an apology from Stats New Zealand. But yeah,

441
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Speaker 3: so the govery inquiry found that the government agencies were

442
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Speaker 3: at fault over that censors started misusually quite right. So

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Speaker 3: there certainly was he changes made after that.

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Speaker 10: On the front to the form that the EE we

445
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Speaker 10: have access to the census records.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have that on my I didn't see that

447
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Speaker 3: on my census.

448
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Speaker 10: No, nobody did until I pointed it out.

449
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Speaker 2: All right, he now, Suzette properly. Now, Suzette, you're from Wanganui,

450
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Speaker 2: is that right?

451
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Speaker 10: Yes?

452
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Speaker 2: Now, do you remember the Wanganui computer bombing? No, because

453
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Speaker 2: that was a famous That was a famous incident. Neil

454
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Speaker 2: Roberts was nineteen eighty two and he thought at the time,

455
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Speaker 2: so it's related to this issue because the Wanganui computer

456
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Speaker 2: was keeping information on on New Zealanders in it and

457
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Speaker 2: he tried to blow it up. He blew himself up

458
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Speaker 2: at the door of it. And what's really interesting about

459
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Speaker 2: that what this young man Neil Roberts was worried about.

460
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Speaker 2: It was such a small amount of information that they

461
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Speaker 2: could keep on that computer in ninety eighty two, and

462
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Speaker 2: now they have so much more information on us the

463
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Speaker 2: government and also people share basically all the information on Facebook.

464
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Speaker 2: But it's a really really interesting story that the Wangan

465
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Speaker 2: computer attack. Yeah, oh, nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 3: We've got to take a quick break railing and standing

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Speaker 3: by with the headlines, but we've got full lines. If

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Speaker 3: you can't get through, keep trying. O eight one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty you're happy to see the census go?

470
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Speaker 3: Or does it say something about us as a society

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Speaker 3: that we couldn't fill it out last time? Really keen

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Speaker 3: to hear from you. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 7: News Talk sai'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

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Speaker 7: no trouble with a blue bubble keep we rail's been

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Speaker 7: charged over the one day grounding of Entra Island, a

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Speaker 7: ferry utter Teddy in their picton last year with forty

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Speaker 7: seven on board. The days they're over of trying to

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Speaker 7: get every New Zealand to fill out a census form

479
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Speaker 7: with an announcement it's next starting in twenty thirty has

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Speaker 7: been It's being replaced with a much smaller yearly survey

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Speaker 7: and use of government data already collected. The Ministry of Business,

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Speaker 7: Innovation and Employment says changes to acc regulations include adding

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Speaker 7: twelve occupational diseases. An ap man in his twenties faces

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Speaker 7: two years intensive supervision and community detention after pleading guilty

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Speaker 7: to owning and distributing online sexual abuse material involving young children.

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Speaker 7: pocketing two hundred and fifty million euro or four hundred

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Speaker 7: and seventy seven million Kiwied dollars, ten factors behind Auckland

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Speaker 7: City FC's record defeat. You can read more at enzid

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Speaker 7: Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to bother you so lately.

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Speaker 11: I need to ask you a few questions for the

493
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Speaker 11: Centers Department doing a census of your district this month.

494
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Speaker 2: Not the extended paper census, but a quick door to

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Speaker 2: door version to update our records.

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Speaker 11: At this time of night, deadline, we're working all night now.

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Speaker 2: You're my last house. I saw your late. I came

498
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Speaker 2: a few times.

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Speaker 1: Listen, let me get that and then you can ask

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Speaker 1: me through the door.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the quine of census that no one wants.

502
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Speaker 2: In the two thousand and seventh film The Invasion starring

503
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Speaker 2: Nicholas Nichola, Nicole Kidman, and Daniel Craig, that.

504
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Speaker 3: Is a terrifying census taker be traumatic for a lot

505
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Speaker 3: of people. Man, he started off, well, he said that,

506
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Speaker 3: but hello, I'm your censors dooger.

507
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Speaker 2: If he was going to be more honest and said,

508
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Speaker 2: I'm been taken over by a fungus that came down

509
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Speaker 2: with a crashed space shuttle, which was the plot to

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Speaker 2: you Move.

511
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Speaker 3: And that's what we're talking about. The census. Traditional census

512
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Speaker 3: has been done away with the government will instead use

513
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Speaker 3: information it already has on you to formulate the data

514
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Speaker 3: that it needs.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what, I've had a total misunderstanding. So

516
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Speaker 2: I started saying that I thought people went fully out

517
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Speaker 2: the census and the majority because they were lazy and

518
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Speaker 2: they they couldn't be bothered. But judging by this text machine,

519
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Speaker 2: a lot of people just don't trust the government and

520
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Speaker 2: didn't want to give the government any any information or

521
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Speaker 2: just didn't like the questions and the census and just

522
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Speaker 2: hated the whole thing. So that wasn't so much that

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Speaker 2: judging by this, I mean, I don't know what the

524
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Speaker 2: exact numbers of people that couldn't be bothered doing it

525
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Speaker 2: and could potentially be coaxed by KFC or whatever it was,

526
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Speaker 2: and the people that just actively didn't want to do it,

527
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Speaker 2: But a whole lot of people put the effort into

528
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Speaker 2: not doing it because they hate the whole thing, which

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Speaker 2: is interesting. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: Very Yeah, but I do wonder with this new approach

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Speaker 3: whether they're going to have access to more information about people.

532
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Speaker 3: That is the ironic thing that I think having more

533
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Speaker 3: access to government departments that traditionally keep it within that

534
00:25:05,373 --> 00:25:07,693
Speaker 3: department and only they can see it on your behalf,

535
00:25:08,333 --> 00:25:10,293
Speaker 3: eventually that gets opened up to more well.

536
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Speaker 2: As I was saying, before the Woe and the Week

537
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Speaker 2: computer was attacked in nineteen eighty two by Neil Roberts,

538
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Speaker 2: a twenty two year old because it contained this information

539
00:25:18,533 --> 00:25:25,613
Speaker 2: on US transport courts and corrections information, fire incences, traffic offending,

540
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Speaker 2: your motor license number, and driver's license, and that was

541
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Speaker 2: enough back then for someone to go this is a

542
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Speaker 2: massive breach of my rights them having all this information

543
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Speaker 2: and blow themselves up at the door of it. Yes,

544
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Speaker 2: but a lot of people seem to be quite happy

545
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Speaker 2: that the government's got that much information on.

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Speaker 3: Us now exactly.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I tell you what. A lot of people seem

548
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Speaker 2: quite happy to put nearly all their information up on

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Speaker 2: social media.

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Speaker 12: They certainly do. Craig, how are you ged a Craig, Craig,

551
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Speaker 12: Greggy waggy Craig, Greg?

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Speaker 3: Are you teaching?

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Speaker 9: There is I must be a cloud hopper, but I'm

554
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Speaker 9: a birth guye.

555
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Speaker 3: And there's cloud hopper behavior, Craig.

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Speaker 9: Look, I sat down, opened up the census, read it

557
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Speaker 9: all and put it in the fireplace. I went goring

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Speaker 9: to fill it out. And I think the new system

559
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Speaker 9: is a lot better. But I don't think they will be.

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Speaker 9: You know, if they want health questions, I'll go to

561
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Speaker 9: practitioners or wide amount of health or whatever and now go, okay,

562
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Speaker 9: that what's the percent of the people that are being

563
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Speaker 9: monitored for bal cancer and that kind of thing. You'll

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Speaker 9: get percentages. You're not going to get individuals called out.

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Speaker 9: And that's the same as within that revenue. You'll get

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Speaker 9: percentages of people that earn certain amounts in that, but

567
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Speaker 9: putting your name on it. And I've got to admit

568
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Speaker 9: probably since COVID, well, since they're just into a Duran government,

569
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Speaker 9: I lost all faith in government. And I think a

570
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Speaker 9: lot of Kiwis are along the same line. They just

571
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Speaker 9: don't trust government now.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 9: The least amount of information they get with my name

574
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Speaker 9: attached the better.

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Speaker 13: Right.

576
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Speaker 2: That's interesting? And when you say so you got sent

577
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Speaker 2: a paper you did a paper census that you threw

578
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Speaker 2: in the bin. Was that a metaphorical throwing it in

579
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Speaker 2: the in the fire from you?

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Speaker 9: No, No, we've got we've got a we've got a

581
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Speaker 9: paper one. And then about it's a couple of weeks

582
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Speaker 9: three weeks after and people pulled up the driveway and

583
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Speaker 9: they had paper one saying we hadn't filed it out

584
00:27:27,093 --> 00:27:28,813
Speaker 9: or actually we posted it and and they left and

585
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Speaker 9: it went in then serator. But because I don't trust

586
00:27:34,293 --> 00:27:38,013
Speaker 9: government now, I don't, But I don't mind the maxis

587
00:27:38,093 --> 00:27:40,093
Speaker 9: in my details without the name attached.

588
00:27:40,453 --> 00:27:43,813
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Now, what about I brought this up a

589
00:27:43,853 --> 00:27:46,173
Speaker 2: couple of times, so I might be repeating myself. But

590
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Speaker 2: the one question that stood out to me, which seemed

591
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Speaker 2: to be helpful that the government would not be able

592
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Speaker 2: to bring together with the administrative information that they have

593
00:27:54,973 --> 00:27:57,253
Speaker 2: about all of us. Was the question on black mold.

594
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Speaker 2: So black mold is a big issue in housing in

595
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Speaker 2: New Zealand, especially in places I've lived in the South Island,

596
00:28:05,733 --> 00:28:08,093
Speaker 2: and so they asked, do you have black mold in

597
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Speaker 2: your That's that kind of question. It is pretty handy

598
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Speaker 2: to have someone answer the question, isn't it in the

599
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Speaker 2: census form?

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Speaker 9: Look there, I think you should be able to have

601
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Speaker 9: voluntary things that you could possibly go online and if

602
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Speaker 9: you if you've got a concern about black mold and

603
00:28:25,213 --> 00:28:29,493
Speaker 9: you want your concern listed, maybe there's a voluntary a

604
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Speaker 9: website you can go to and it's like a census website,

605
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Speaker 9: but you can do it anonymously.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. So you then you just advertise, Look, if

607
00:28:37,893 --> 00:28:40,773
Speaker 2: you've got these issues, these are the issues that the

608
00:28:41,133 --> 00:28:43,133
Speaker 2: government is worried about, and we want to know the

609
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Speaker 2: areas where this is a problem. Advertise that, go online

610
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Speaker 2: and click and if these problems are in your area,

611
00:28:49,373 --> 00:28:51,013
Speaker 2: you sort of flip it around the other way.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's no perfect system, but

613
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Speaker 9: I think there is a lot of trust been lost

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Speaker 9: between society and government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely seems to be a long time. Judging by

616
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Speaker 2: this text machine, there definitely seems to people people that

617
00:29:05,853 --> 00:29:08,933
Speaker 2: were just like yourself. I'm not calling that out for

618
00:29:08,973 --> 00:29:10,573
Speaker 2: you guys, because I don't trust you in your It was.

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Speaker 3: A protests element, absolutely get there. But Craig, genuinely because

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Speaker 3: the one we do know and has been mentioned by

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Speaker 3: the Minister is ird's information that it's got on you.

622
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Speaker 3: So that is using your name on how much you earn,

623
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Speaker 3: how much text you're paying. You know what if you've

624
00:29:23,813 --> 00:29:26,853
Speaker 3: got trusts under your name, are you comfortable with Stats

625
00:29:26,893 --> 00:29:28,413
Speaker 3: New Zealand accessing that information?

626
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Speaker 9: Look, they will, the government will get that. If they

627
00:29:32,373 --> 00:29:35,693
Speaker 9: want that information, they'll get it. They don't need me

628
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Speaker 9: to tell them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also and also why do they trust us to

631
00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,653
Speaker 2: tell the truth? I mean we all remember those campaigns

632
00:29:43,693 --> 00:29:46,933
Speaker 2: to get Jedi as one of the major religions or

633
00:29:46,973 --> 00:29:48,813
Speaker 2: one to register as a religion in New Zealand. I

634
00:29:48,853 --> 00:29:50,853
Speaker 2: think it had to be over a certain percentage before

635
00:29:50,893 --> 00:29:53,013
Speaker 2: it was listed in the in the stats. And so

636
00:29:53,373 --> 00:29:55,893
Speaker 2: there was this whole campaign to put your religion as Jedi. Right,

637
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Speaker 2: So if that is out there. How could Stats New

638
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:02,173
Speaker 2: Zealand even trust the information that's come through. Maybe I

639
00:30:02,693 --> 00:30:04,253
Speaker 2: was sitting there. I'm sitting there and I feel it

640
00:30:04,293 --> 00:30:05,733
Speaker 2: makes me feel a little bit better to pretend to

641
00:30:05,773 --> 00:30:07,613
Speaker 2: be richer than I am on the census to so

642
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:09,893
Speaker 2: it's point just so I feel a little bit better

643
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Speaker 2: about myself or something, you know.

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Speaker 9: Oh, one hundred percent, And it's just you know, people

645
00:30:15,573 --> 00:30:19,013
Speaker 9: are doing something out of they don't want to do it,

646
00:30:19,173 --> 00:30:21,333
Speaker 9: they feel legally they have to do it. They're not

647
00:30:21,373 --> 00:30:24,693
Speaker 9: going to be one hundred percent honest, and some people

648
00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:28,093
Speaker 9: just won't do it. The more you know, I had

649
00:30:28,733 --> 00:30:31,813
Speaker 9: the system that is being mooted as the best system

650
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Speaker 9: and go for me and mate, it's yeah, at least

651
00:30:38,413 --> 00:30:39,933
Speaker 9: I have to do with government for better.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Craig, thank you for the call. Well,

653
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I'm let's not saying good on

654
00:30:43,933 --> 00:30:45,693
Speaker 2: you for having listed with the government. I'm not sure

655
00:30:45,693 --> 00:30:47,333
Speaker 2: where I sit on that one. But good on you

656
00:30:47,413 --> 00:30:49,293
Speaker 2: for your call and having such a strong opinion on it.

657
00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:50,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one I one hundred and eighty ten.

658
00:30:50,933 --> 00:30:53,293
Speaker 2: I mean, ideally, we'd want a government that we that

659
00:30:53,373 --> 00:30:56,533
Speaker 2: we trust and we and that we know we'll do

660
00:30:56,613 --> 00:30:58,093
Speaker 2: the best for us, but a lot of people don't

661
00:30:58,093 --> 00:30:58,733
Speaker 2: think that's the case.

662
00:30:58,853 --> 00:31:00,973
Speaker 3: Certainly been eroded over the last few years.

663
00:31:01,493 --> 00:31:03,853
Speaker 2: Adrian says, black mold was recently found to be no

664
00:31:03,973 --> 00:31:06,933
Speaker 2: more harmful than any other mold. It was a misdiagnosis

665
00:31:07,013 --> 00:31:09,813
Speaker 2: from a study done in the American eighties, since proven

666
00:31:09,893 --> 00:31:10,413
Speaker 2: to be false.

667
00:31:11,093 --> 00:31:14,333
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, Adrian. You need to come and studio.

668
00:31:14,413 --> 00:31:15,893
Speaker 3: We'll have some black mold for you and you can

669
00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:17,333
Speaker 3: eat it in front of us and we'll see how.

670
00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:17,973
Speaker 4: You go there.

671
00:31:18,493 --> 00:31:20,453
Speaker 2: I trust that I've been spending quite a lot of

672
00:31:20,493 --> 00:31:22,453
Speaker 2: my life worried about black mold. It turns out I

673
00:31:22,493 --> 00:31:24,773
Speaker 2: didn't need to anyway. I'll look into that.

674
00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:26,653
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

675
00:31:26,693 --> 00:31:28,453
Speaker 3: the number to call. Love your thoughts on the end

676
00:31:28,733 --> 00:31:31,493
Speaker 3: of the traditional census. Say you're happy or are you

677
00:31:32,053 --> 00:31:34,013
Speaker 3: upset that that is going at sixteen to two?

678
00:31:35,933 --> 00:31:41,213
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons,

679
00:31:41,493 --> 00:31:44,493
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk said, be.

680
00:31:45,213 --> 00:31:48,133
Speaker 3: Fourteen to two having a good discussion about the end

681
00:31:48,213 --> 00:31:49,933
Speaker 3: of the traditional census, and.

682
00:31:50,373 --> 00:31:51,973
Speaker 2: Look, black mold is not a problem.

683
00:31:53,213 --> 00:31:53,573
Speaker 13: Look at this.

684
00:31:53,693 --> 00:31:56,853
Speaker 2: Apparently here the duplic Allen dealt with us last night.

685
00:31:56,893 --> 00:31:59,813
Speaker 2: Either had had the segment on a show about black

686
00:31:59,853 --> 00:32:02,373
Speaker 2: mold being no more harmful than any other mold Roger.

687
00:32:03,253 --> 00:32:06,133
Speaker 2: Black mold is often associated with harmful toxins, it's not

688
00:32:06,213 --> 00:32:09,173
Speaker 2: inherently more dam dangerous than other types of mold, and

689
00:32:09,253 --> 00:32:11,373
Speaker 2: is unlikely to cause serious illness or death. And most

690
00:32:11,373 --> 00:32:13,653
Speaker 2: people exposed you to high levels of any mold, including

691
00:32:13,653 --> 00:32:17,013
Speaker 2: black mold, can trigger allergy symptoms and susceptible individuals, and

692
00:32:17,093 --> 00:32:20,693
Speaker 2: may worsen existing respiratory conditions. However, there was no strong

693
00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:23,733
Speaker 2: evidence that black mold specifically causes long term health issues.

694
00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:26,573
Speaker 2: On these allergy related effects.

695
00:32:26,773 --> 00:32:28,533
Speaker 3: Well, that makes everyone feel a little bit better. I

696
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:30,573
Speaker 3: hope it's not the black death that it was described

697
00:32:30,613 --> 00:32:31,173
Speaker 3: for a long time.

698
00:32:31,373 --> 00:32:34,173
Speaker 2: Well, I'm annoyed about the time I've spent worrying about

699
00:32:34,173 --> 00:32:37,213
Speaker 2: black mold, all that cleaning, all that scrubbing. It was

700
00:32:37,213 --> 00:32:39,293
Speaker 2: a flat I was staying in Leath Valley in Dunedin

701
00:32:39,373 --> 00:32:41,053
Speaker 2: that was just riddled with black mold, and I was

702
00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:43,493
Speaker 2: sure everyone everyone was going to die.

703
00:32:43,693 --> 00:32:47,453
Speaker 3: It's not turned out it was just a bit of fungy. Yeah, Ken,

704
00:32:47,853 --> 00:32:49,013
Speaker 3: you worked on the census.

705
00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:56,013
Speaker 13: Yes, I worked on census taking twenty eleven. And they

706
00:32:56,133 --> 00:32:58,093
Speaker 13: tell you all these things and you get a lot

707
00:32:58,133 --> 00:33:01,373
Speaker 13: of reviews from people because you can get fined take

708
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:07,733
Speaker 13: them to court. But the next senses, well, it was

709
00:33:07,773 --> 00:33:10,493
Speaker 13: the nice area, and they tell you that everyone that's

710
00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:15,453
Speaker 13: in the country will be visisted that night, No one,

711
00:33:15,693 --> 00:33:20,493
Speaker 13: no taurus. I spent weeks and the census take it

712
00:33:20,613 --> 00:33:24,013
Speaker 13: in their the area. She was most embarrassed. She couldn't

713
00:33:24,093 --> 00:33:27,453
Speaker 13: find forms to give to people because they wouldn't send

714
00:33:27,493 --> 00:33:30,293
Speaker 13: them because they didn't take into account the amount of tourists.

715
00:33:30,973 --> 00:33:31,693
Speaker 1: Oh why.

716
00:33:33,213 --> 00:33:37,173
Speaker 13: Yeah, after that, they wouldn't send me any census forms

717
00:33:37,693 --> 00:33:40,693
Speaker 13: because I didn't live as a designated as rest.

718
00:33:40,733 --> 00:33:45,493
Speaker 2: I lived in the house truck, right, Okay, So just

719
00:33:45,653 --> 00:33:48,133
Speaker 2: just to clarify, So you worked on the centus in

720
00:33:48,173 --> 00:33:50,133
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. Were you in the house truck at that point?

721
00:33:51,853 --> 00:33:54,893
Speaker 3: No, I'm just I'm just having a look, Ken, and

722
00:33:55,573 --> 00:33:57,413
Speaker 3: if you got your years right, because that I'm just

723
00:33:57,453 --> 00:34:00,333
Speaker 3: looking up there because I recalled it was canceled after

724
00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:02,733
Speaker 3: the earthquake, and it was was that the next year after?

725
00:34:02,893 --> 00:34:04,093
Speaker 3: Was it walt back in twenty twelve.

726
00:34:05,813 --> 00:34:08,773
Speaker 13: They did it again in twenty thirteen and live and

727
00:34:08,853 --> 00:34:12,933
Speaker 13: I did, and we had started doing it out the

728
00:34:13,013 --> 00:34:19,133
Speaker 13: forms and people had filled them out and then that died. Yeah,

729
00:34:19,133 --> 00:34:21,893
Speaker 13: with that stop. So when they did the next one,

730
00:34:22,133 --> 00:34:26,533
Speaker 13: I was in an isolated area in the house truck

731
00:34:27,373 --> 00:34:31,933
Speaker 13: on the head and I asked all the cancer backpackers

732
00:34:32,013 --> 00:34:34,573
Speaker 13: next day, knowing that it was no one came to

733
00:34:34,613 --> 00:34:36,053
Speaker 13: the form. They didn't even know what it was.

734
00:34:38,613 --> 00:34:41,333
Speaker 2: It would be a pretty diligent, you know, a backpacker

735
00:34:41,493 --> 00:34:43,733
Speaker 2: to sit down in a country they're just visiting briefly

736
00:34:43,893 --> 00:34:46,413
Speaker 2: and fill out the census forming people. New Zealanders can

737
00:34:46,453 --> 00:34:48,133
Speaker 2: be get through it.

738
00:34:49,373 --> 00:34:51,293
Speaker 13: But that's what sex is supposed to happen. That's what

739
00:34:51,373 --> 00:34:54,973
Speaker 13: they used to tell you. Yeah, the next one, they

740
00:34:55,013 --> 00:34:57,573
Speaker 13: started going online and they seen people out of number,

741
00:34:58,173 --> 00:35:01,973
Speaker 13: But I was in my house truck still team. I

742
00:35:02,173 --> 00:35:04,333
Speaker 13: couldn't get it one because I didn't hit the number.

743
00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:08,093
Speaker 13: I didn't hit an address. That makes yeah.

744
00:35:09,213 --> 00:35:12,653
Speaker 2: So so you're saying, basically, as a house truck dweller,

745
00:35:12,933 --> 00:35:15,773
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be on the census or have any way

746
00:35:15,813 --> 00:35:17,693
Speaker 2: of being registered by the government anyway.

747
00:35:18,973 --> 00:35:21,613
Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, they tell you they're supposed to be the

748
00:35:21,733 --> 00:35:26,653
Speaker 13: last one. Yeah, i'm boarding now because I can't go

749
00:35:26,893 --> 00:35:30,772
Speaker 13: online to government things because of that. Two years ago. Yeah,

750
00:35:31,613 --> 00:35:33,413
Speaker 13: it wouldn't see me a paper one. There were a feuge.

751
00:35:33,413 --> 00:35:35,213
Speaker 13: The only certain areas get the paper one.

752
00:35:35,173 --> 00:35:38,093
Speaker 2: Right saying did you do you have and there's an

753
00:35:38,133 --> 00:35:39,973
Speaker 2: interesting question do you run a do you run a

754
00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:42,013
Speaker 2: post office box or something?

755
00:35:42,133 --> 00:35:45,732
Speaker 13: Again, for being it, they won't send them to those.

756
00:35:46,213 --> 00:35:49,013
Speaker 3: Well, that's silly, sounds like it was always a basket case.

757
00:35:49,013 --> 00:35:50,213
Speaker 3: I was going to say the good old days of

758
00:35:50,253 --> 00:35:52,493
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, but it was. It was a bit of

759
00:35:52,533 --> 00:35:53,573
Speaker 3: a waste of time then as well.

760
00:35:53,613 --> 00:35:57,053
Speaker 14: Can Yeah, it's been like that the whole time. And

761
00:35:57,133 --> 00:35:59,333
Speaker 14: then they never used the information. I mean after the

762
00:35:59,373 --> 00:36:04,732
Speaker 14: Earthquakesparata was closing schools when the censors showed the area

763
00:36:05,093 --> 00:36:08,173
Speaker 14: was having more people arrived there because they're moving on

764
00:36:08,613 --> 00:36:10,173
Speaker 14: from the worst damage.

765
00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:12,692
Speaker 13: Yes, you will know, are you still?

766
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:16,133
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you're quite right. After the earthquakes there was

767
00:36:16,213 --> 00:36:18,213
Speaker 3: there was a lot of movement there and and and

768
00:36:18,293 --> 00:36:20,293
Speaker 3: a lot of changes that weren't taken into account. You're

769
00:36:20,293 --> 00:36:21,333
Speaker 3: still in the house bus now.

770
00:36:21,293 --> 00:36:24,893
Speaker 13: Ken, No, I have to give a new one. I'm

771
00:36:25,013 --> 00:36:29,893
Speaker 13: boarding now. But but even this going off other government departments.

772
00:36:29,933 --> 00:36:32,893
Speaker 13: They've never got acurate information. They make their own information.

773
00:36:35,413 --> 00:36:38,093
Speaker 13: Not hell actually is was three.

774
00:36:38,693 --> 00:36:40,853
Speaker 2: I think if you call Ken and I hope you

775
00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:42,053
Speaker 2: get out in the house bus again.

776
00:36:42,213 --> 00:36:44,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like good life the old house bus.

777
00:36:44,253 --> 00:36:48,053
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I guess the census is missing house bus people.

778
00:36:48,133 --> 00:36:51,653
Speaker 2: But what is the percentage of New Zealand house busy

779
00:36:52,013 --> 00:36:54,613
Speaker 2: And how do you really allocate resources to a house

780
00:36:54,653 --> 00:36:57,693
Speaker 2: bus exactly? Because there are different places. It seems like

781
00:36:57,733 --> 00:37:00,853
Speaker 2: a very expensive thing to try and find all those people. Right,

782
00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:02,573
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you don't get in a moving

783
00:37:02,613 --> 00:37:07,493
Speaker 2: house bus, black mold. You're on the road, There's eight

784
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:07,893
Speaker 2: to two.

785
00:37:09,533 --> 00:37:13,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

786
00:37:13,093 --> 00:37:15,653
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams

787
00:37:15,773 --> 00:37:17,493
Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

788
00:37:18,773 --> 00:37:19,973
Speaker 3: Zib it is five to two.

789
00:37:20,653 --> 00:37:24,533
Speaker 2: Our local Tipuna tennis club and Totongo was recently demolished

790
00:37:24,573 --> 00:37:26,773
Speaker 2: due to black mold. It's not like baby slip there

791
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:29,333
Speaker 2: and apart from the weekends, it wasn't really used that much.

792
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:31,333
Speaker 2: But the council pulled it down and built another one

793
00:37:31,693 --> 00:37:33,853
Speaker 2: huge waste of money. Nonsense and then it turns out

794
00:37:33,893 --> 00:37:35,493
Speaker 2: that black mold's body sweet airs.

795
00:37:35,573 --> 00:37:36,453
Speaker 3: That is a massive shame.

796
00:37:36,573 --> 00:37:38,613
Speaker 2: It's about as bad for you as the mold you

797
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:42,333
Speaker 2: get on camn beer, which is tasty. As someone who

798
00:37:42,373 --> 00:37:44,053
Speaker 2: has lived on a boat for the last twenty years,

799
00:37:44,093 --> 00:37:46,053
Speaker 2: the new census won't take into account our kind of

800
00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:49,413
Speaker 2: living as it's about housing. Also, no residential address make

801
00:37:49,453 --> 00:37:53,893
Speaker 2: it hard to get recognized. Steve. Yeah, there's house, but house. House.

802
00:37:53,933 --> 00:37:57,973
Speaker 2: Truck people and boat people have never been really registered

803
00:37:58,013 --> 00:38:00,493
Speaker 2: in that the censors have they known. I recall says

804
00:38:00,533 --> 00:38:02,733
Speaker 2: as texture in the early nineties my parents having to

805
00:38:02,813 --> 00:38:05,413
Speaker 2: get guests in our motel to complete the censors.

806
00:38:06,013 --> 00:38:08,053
Speaker 3: Man, that's a weird thing, getting tourists to complete it.

807
00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:11,093
Speaker 2: That would have been a boy, Tom, Welcome to the show.

808
00:38:12,293 --> 00:38:16,133
Speaker 15: Yeah, good afternoon, Jans. You imagine how many million wire

809
00:38:16,173 --> 00:38:18,493
Speaker 15: in their way, say, from not doing this crazy sort

810
00:38:18,533 --> 00:38:19,013
Speaker 15: of carry on.

811
00:38:19,253 --> 00:38:21,933
Speaker 2: I believe it'll be one hundred and seventy three million

812
00:38:22,013 --> 00:38:23,413
Speaker 2: to be that's an intimate.

813
00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:26,013
Speaker 3: So you'll take that money.

814
00:38:26,973 --> 00:38:29,573
Speaker 15: I'll take that and put it into something half decent.

815
00:38:29,613 --> 00:38:32,293
Speaker 15: Pay down the debt. Maybe because mege them up at

816
00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:35,373
Speaker 15: answers they get from people, they probably looked at them

817
00:38:35,413 --> 00:38:37,253
Speaker 15: and went, no way, you do not have half a

818
00:38:37,293 --> 00:38:41,853
Speaker 15: dozen kids. You know when you'll be getting all that

819
00:38:41,933 --> 00:38:44,453
Speaker 15: sort of carry on. Maybe back in the nineteen sixties

820
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:48,893
Speaker 15: in society was more cohesive or and as a man

821
00:38:48,973 --> 00:38:51,253
Speaker 15: said earlier, remember what we had just gone through a

822
00:38:51,373 --> 00:38:53,973
Speaker 15: year before or too. It wasn't a fun time. So

823
00:38:54,573 --> 00:38:57,373
Speaker 15: I think they realized that they'd been sold out and

824
00:38:58,933 --> 00:38:59,733
Speaker 15: let's finish it up.

825
00:39:00,053 --> 00:39:02,573
Speaker 3: I'll think if you call Tom Nice called, I think

826
00:39:02,613 --> 00:39:03,293
Speaker 3: it's the consensus.

827
00:39:03,333 --> 00:39:05,453
Speaker 2: People either hate the government completely and don't want anything

828
00:39:05,493 --> 00:39:07,693
Speaker 2: to do with them and don't want the census, or

829
00:39:07,893 --> 00:39:09,813
Speaker 2: they think it was useless anyway and don't want it.

830
00:39:09,853 --> 00:39:11,813
Speaker 2: There's very few people that are saying we love that

831
00:39:11,893 --> 00:39:12,813
Speaker 2: odd sensus.

832
00:39:12,573 --> 00:39:15,213
Speaker 3: Right down the middle, fifty to fifty. Great discussion though,

833
00:39:15,213 --> 00:39:17,893
Speaker 3: thank you very much. Coming up after two o'clock. Another

834
00:39:17,933 --> 00:39:21,093
Speaker 3: great discussion. You'rerope freaking out about too many tourists, but

835
00:39:21,213 --> 00:39:22,893
Speaker 3: have you been to those hotspots? We want to hear

836
00:39:22,893 --> 00:39:24,813
Speaker 3: from you on O eight hundred and eighty T and eighty.

837
00:39:26,373 --> 00:39:30,093
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

838
00:39:30,213 --> 00:39:32,013
Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

839
00:39:32,053 --> 00:39:32,333
Speaker 9: It'd be.

840
00:39:33,813 --> 00:39:36,173
Speaker 3: Afternoon Chier welcome back into the show. Just a reminder

841
00:39:36,253 --> 00:39:39,533
Speaker 3: at three point thirty pm Gareth abdenall employment law expert

842
00:39:39,573 --> 00:39:42,213
Speaker 3: from abdenor Law. He will be with us. He joins

843
00:39:42,253 --> 00:39:44,093
Speaker 3: us once a month and he takes your questions on

844
00:39:44,133 --> 00:39:47,573
Speaker 3: any issues you've got with your workers, your boss, employment quandaries.

845
00:39:47,653 --> 00:39:50,652
Speaker 3: He's brilliant and he's always very popular. So paced again

846
00:39:50,693 --> 00:39:51,773
Speaker 3: in early Well.

847
00:39:51,653 --> 00:39:53,253
Speaker 2: Tyler, you might have an issue with me because I've

848
00:39:53,293 --> 00:39:55,573
Speaker 2: pumped up the heat in the studio and the my

849
00:39:55,693 --> 00:39:58,613
Speaker 2: Costking Memorial studio to thirty two degrees.

850
00:39:58,853 --> 00:40:02,293
Speaker 3: You're a mad dog, absolute mad dog. I'm sweating my

851
00:40:02,493 --> 00:40:04,933
Speaker 3: butt off in here, and I don't know what to

852
00:40:05,013 --> 00:40:07,893
Speaker 3: do because this thing takes an age to drop back down.

853
00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:09,733
Speaker 3: Even if I drop it back down to eighteen, it's

854
00:40:09,773 --> 00:40:10,773
Speaker 3: going to take two hours to.

855
00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:11,173
Speaker 1: Get back to.

856
00:40:11,453 --> 00:40:13,893
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm scared of hear this, so I'll drop it

857
00:40:13,933 --> 00:40:17,453
Speaker 2: back down with half an hour before drive head the

858
00:40:17,533 --> 00:40:19,813
Speaker 2: duplessy Allen because she she'll go us, she'll go us

859
00:40:19,853 --> 00:40:21,573
Speaker 2: as she comes in here. And it's a tropical paradise.

860
00:40:21,653 --> 00:40:23,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just need a little bit of sand in here,

861
00:40:23,533 --> 00:40:24,933
Speaker 3: some palm tree, some mahitos.

862
00:40:25,013 --> 00:40:27,533
Speaker 2: Now I'm looking to test the limits of the technology

863
00:40:27,573 --> 00:40:29,053
Speaker 2: we have at Newstalks z'b and I just want to

864
00:40:29,053 --> 00:40:30,413
Speaker 2: see how hot we can get this room.

865
00:40:30,533 --> 00:40:32,652
Speaker 3: You're giving me PTSD from when I moved up here

866
00:40:32,693 --> 00:40:35,413
Speaker 3: and felt that humidity. It's yeah, hard to focus, but

867
00:40:35,533 --> 00:40:37,733
Speaker 3: bear with us. It was thirty two degrees in here.

868
00:40:38,293 --> 00:40:41,453
Speaker 2: Ah Davis just texted, Hey, Matt, just driven Hopetown Street

869
00:40:41,493 --> 00:40:44,373
Speaker 2: again and they are now fifty kilometers in our signs.

870
00:40:44,453 --> 00:40:47,652
Speaker 2: Go figure. So I got pinged just two weeks ago

871
00:40:48,293 --> 00:40:52,133
Speaker 2: for driving at fifty one kilometers an hour in the

872
00:40:52,293 --> 00:40:55,133
Speaker 2: center of Auckland City, which fifty should be the speed

873
00:40:55,213 --> 00:40:58,373
Speaker 2: limit everyone knows since the dawn of time, since Fred's

874
00:40:58,413 --> 00:41:00,413
Speaker 2: flintstone had his feet sticking out the bottom of his

875
00:41:01,253 --> 00:41:04,573
Speaker 2: stone vehicle with wooden wheels. Fifty k is the speed

876
00:41:04,613 --> 00:41:06,573
Speaker 2: that you drive around cities that I got pained going

877
00:41:06,573 --> 00:41:10,893
Speaker 2: over Hopetown Bridge. Good luck getting a pedestrian anywhere near

878
00:41:10,893 --> 00:41:11,573
Speaker 2: there to hit ye.

879
00:41:12,493 --> 00:41:14,933
Speaker 3: And you've named and shamed the people responsible for that

880
00:41:15,013 --> 00:41:16,453
Speaker 3: absolute atrocity of policy.

881
00:41:16,733 --> 00:41:18,813
Speaker 2: I just remember Richard Hills because it was one of them.

882
00:41:18,933 --> 00:41:20,653
Speaker 2: Richard Hills is the only one I remember, the councilor

883
00:41:20,693 --> 00:41:23,893
Speaker 2: that thinks that your time is not worth anything as

884
00:41:23,933 --> 00:41:25,933
Speaker 2: willing to slow you down to thirty k anyway, I

885
00:41:25,973 --> 00:41:27,613
Speaker 2: get paying for the one hundred and seventy dollars ticket

886
00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:29,893
Speaker 2: and thirty demerit points just two weeks ago, and now

887
00:41:29,973 --> 00:41:31,373
Speaker 2: it's fifty k, well like it should be.

888
00:41:31,493 --> 00:41:33,772
Speaker 3: I reckon Richard Hill put up those signs. He heard

889
00:41:33,853 --> 00:41:35,533
Speaker 3: you when he said, I'm going to show Matt he

890
00:41:35,813 --> 00:41:37,613
Speaker 3: you haven't paid it yet, have you? I've paid it,

891
00:41:37,773 --> 00:41:40,493
Speaker 3: oh asked for a refund. I mean, that's contestable. Fight

892
00:41:40,573 --> 00:41:40,973
Speaker 3: the power.

893
00:41:41,413 --> 00:41:41,653
Speaker 16: You know.

894
00:41:41,693 --> 00:41:42,493
Speaker 3: They can't be doing that.

895
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:45,613
Speaker 2: People like is it Richard Hill's or Richard Hill He's

896
00:41:45,653 --> 00:41:48,093
Speaker 2: just one of the many members of the Auckland City

897
00:41:48,093 --> 00:41:52,813
Speaker 2: Council that voted for speed limits to stay at thirty

898
00:41:52,893 --> 00:41:53,853
Speaker 2: k in places.

899
00:41:54,013 --> 00:41:56,253
Speaker 3: We'll bring that back up before the election. It's important.

900
00:41:56,373 --> 00:41:59,133
Speaker 2: The more you clench your fist, Richard Hill's, the more

901
00:41:59,173 --> 00:42:01,172
Speaker 2: star systems that will slip through your grip.

902
00:42:01,373 --> 00:42:01,573
Speaker 17: Yeah.

903
00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:05,053
Speaker 3: But anyway, Dave, thanks for sending that through and getting

904
00:42:05,093 --> 00:42:07,133
Speaker 3: met back on the rant. They'd just forgotten about it.

905
00:42:08,373 --> 00:42:09,133
Speaker 2: Don't just stopped.

906
00:42:09,373 --> 00:42:11,533
Speaker 3: I don't just shut up about you were so happy today.

907
00:42:11,813 --> 00:42:13,613
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's not what we're talking about. We've gone off

908
00:42:13,653 --> 00:42:16,013
Speaker 2: peace we have, not about the temperature in the studio

909
00:42:16,573 --> 00:42:20,053
Speaker 2: or my unfair parking fines, I mean speeding fines.

910
00:42:20,093 --> 00:42:22,093
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. The studio was starting to feel

911
00:42:22,093 --> 00:42:24,172
Speaker 3: a little bit like bath Alona, and that is kind

912
00:42:24,213 --> 00:42:26,093
Speaker 3: of what we're talking about. So the square guns have

913
00:42:26,213 --> 00:42:29,933
Speaker 3: returned to the streets in Spain as thousands gathered for

914
00:42:29,973 --> 00:42:32,893
Speaker 3: the long planned protests against mass tourism and cities across

915
00:42:32,933 --> 00:42:36,733
Speaker 3: southern Europe. Same in Genoa, in Italy and Lisbon and Portugal,

916
00:42:37,373 --> 00:42:40,653
Speaker 3: and also at the Louver, the world's most visited museum,

917
00:42:40,733 --> 00:42:43,773
Speaker 3: it has now closed its doors. Staff as striking. They

918
00:42:43,893 --> 00:42:47,213
Speaker 3: say the institution is crumbling under the weight of mass tourism.

919
00:42:47,973 --> 00:42:49,573
Speaker 3: So the question we want to put to you is

920
00:42:50,373 --> 00:42:52,693
Speaker 3: have you actually been to any any of these sites?

921
00:42:52,733 --> 00:42:55,413
Speaker 3: Have you been to Bathlona, have you been to Italy?

922
00:42:55,493 --> 00:42:57,453
Speaker 3: Have you been to Lisbon? Have you been to the Coliseum?

923
00:42:57,733 --> 00:42:58,812
Speaker 3: Have you been to the Louver?

924
00:42:58,933 --> 00:42:59,693
Speaker 4: And what was it like?

925
00:42:59,893 --> 00:43:02,133
Speaker 3: Was it cram full of tourists? What was the response

926
00:43:02,293 --> 00:43:04,773
Speaker 3: like from the locals? Did you feel their wrath? Did

927
00:43:04,813 --> 00:43:07,733
Speaker 3: you feel unwelcome at those particular places?

928
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:10,493
Speaker 2: Because I've heard some horror stories from friends that were

929
00:43:10,573 --> 00:43:13,533
Speaker 2: recently visiting the Colisseum and they see it. It's just

930
00:43:14,013 --> 00:43:17,813
Speaker 2: freaking horrible, absolutely rammed trying to get in. There's people

931
00:43:17,933 --> 00:43:21,893
Speaker 2: running scams on you NonStop. And I you know, I

932
00:43:22,013 --> 00:43:23,733
Speaker 2: was in Paris at the end of last year and

933
00:43:24,773 --> 00:43:30,173
Speaker 2: wherever you go there's people running socricuur up socricu, you know,

934
00:43:30,613 --> 00:43:33,652
Speaker 2: re enacting for a video the fight scene from john

935
00:43:33,693 --> 00:43:37,573
Speaker 2: Wick four. But there was just so many people there

936
00:43:37,973 --> 00:43:40,812
Speaker 2: and so many scams being run. There were people coming

937
00:43:40,893 --> 00:43:44,853
Speaker 2: up and they were saying, you know, sign this, you know,

938
00:43:44,973 --> 00:43:47,933
Speaker 2: sign this petition to save soccer CLU and then and

939
00:43:48,013 --> 00:43:49,613
Speaker 2: then when you sign it, they say, well at the

940
00:43:49,613 --> 00:43:52,733
Speaker 2: bottom it says you that's twenty euros donation and then

941
00:43:52,773 --> 00:43:55,133
Speaker 2: they do, you know, standover tactics to get get the

942
00:43:55,573 --> 00:43:58,813
Speaker 2: get the money off you. So but is it just

943
00:43:59,093 --> 00:44:01,653
Speaker 2: too horrible to go to those places now? Is it

944
00:44:01,893 --> 00:44:04,573
Speaker 2: just too intense to go to the full tourist traps

945
00:44:04,893 --> 00:44:09,733
Speaker 2: of Europe? And second question, we're sitting eighty percent levels,

946
00:44:09,773 --> 00:44:12,213
Speaker 2: I believe just looking at the most recent stats of

947
00:44:12,373 --> 00:44:14,853
Speaker 2: pre COVID tourism levels to New Zealand, and before COVID

948
00:44:14,973 --> 00:44:16,652
Speaker 2: there was talk that we had too many tourists come

949
00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:20,773
Speaker 2: into our country there was would have people flipped on

950
00:44:20,853 --> 00:44:23,453
Speaker 2: that now and would we just desperately love to have

951
00:44:23,693 --> 00:44:26,733
Speaker 2: ridiculous amounts of tourists in the country blocking all our services.

952
00:44:27,013 --> 00:44:28,853
Speaker 3: I think we've got short memories because now we're at

953
00:44:28,893 --> 00:44:31,333
Speaker 3: eighty percent and we need some more tourists coming in

954
00:44:31,453 --> 00:44:33,613
Speaker 3: so we can fleece them, as you've mentioned before, and

955
00:44:33,693 --> 00:44:36,573
Speaker 3: take more money off them. But you're right, places like Queenstown,

956
00:44:36,813 --> 00:44:40,613
Speaker 3: the Mackenzie District, rotorua Wanakat, a lot of the locals

957
00:44:40,653 --> 00:44:42,692
Speaker 3: were screaming saying no more tourists. But I think that's

958
00:44:42,773 --> 00:44:45,333
Speaker 3: drastically changed. You'd hope so. But then when they come

959
00:44:45,373 --> 00:44:48,373
Speaker 3: in again and we're at two hundred percent capacity of tourists,

960
00:44:48,773 --> 00:44:51,053
Speaker 3: guarantee people will get their quirt guns out and go

961
00:44:51,293 --> 00:44:52,172
Speaker 3: South European on them.

962
00:44:52,213 --> 00:44:54,212
Speaker 2: Well, you can see, you know, the point of view

963
00:44:54,253 --> 00:44:56,853
Speaker 2: from people in Buffalona, and it's similar to people that

964
00:44:56,893 --> 00:44:59,573
Speaker 2: live in Queenstown, the right payers of somewhere like Queenstown

965
00:44:59,893 --> 00:45:02,053
Speaker 2: that you know there's a small rate paying pool and

966
00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:05,573
Speaker 2: then there's just thousands and thousands and thousands of people

967
00:45:05,653 --> 00:45:08,973
Speaker 2: coming into the country and going straight to queen and

968
00:45:09,053 --> 00:45:13,093
Speaker 2: they use the facilities they test the infrastructure, but don't

969
00:45:13,093 --> 00:45:15,813
Speaker 2: pay the rates to be there so you can you

970
00:45:15,893 --> 00:45:18,772
Speaker 2: can see if it gets too big. And then there's

971
00:45:18,773 --> 00:45:21,373
Speaker 2: a problem with tourism in New Zealand and tourism in

972
00:45:21,413 --> 00:45:23,333
Speaker 2: Europe as people just go to the same places. It's

973
00:45:23,373 --> 00:45:26,453
Speaker 2: not equal distantly spread out across the whole place.

974
00:45:26,333 --> 00:45:26,493
Speaker 4: Is it.

975
00:45:26,613 --> 00:45:28,493
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

976
00:45:28,613 --> 00:45:30,133
Speaker 3: number to call if you've been to some of these

977
00:45:30,213 --> 00:45:32,373
Speaker 3: hot spots in Europe. How did it go, how many

978
00:45:32,413 --> 00:45:34,893
Speaker 3: people were there and what was the response from the locals,

979
00:45:34,973 --> 00:45:37,573
Speaker 3: Because nobody wants to go on holiday to a new

980
00:45:37,733 --> 00:45:42,013
Speaker 3: place or somewhere exciting, and the locals treat them quite poorly,

981
00:45:42,053 --> 00:45:45,573
Speaker 3: particularly if you're having a nice cross sant outside of

982
00:45:45,653 --> 00:45:46,893
Speaker 3: Paris and they come along with squirt.

983
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:49,373
Speaker 2: I don't think you. I don't think you need to

984
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,333
Speaker 2: lean on the tea so hard their time last song.

985
00:45:51,933 --> 00:45:54,693
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty teen eighties number call.

986
00:45:54,653 --> 00:45:56,693
Speaker 2: High zb Paris is not the city of love. It

987
00:45:56,773 --> 00:46:00,172
Speaker 2: smells of wheeze over popular population, way too costly, says

988
00:46:00,213 --> 00:46:00,533
Speaker 2: been there?

989
00:46:00,813 --> 00:46:03,692
Speaker 3: I have heard that It is thirteen past two. Back

990
00:46:03,733 --> 00:46:06,493
Speaker 3: in a moment, Wow your home.

991
00:46:06,333 --> 00:46:10,573
Speaker 1: Of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh

992
00:46:10,653 --> 00:46:12,933
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk ZIB.

993
00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:17,213
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about protests in

994
00:46:17,373 --> 00:46:21,373
Speaker 3: southern Europe on the mass tourism that they say they're

995
00:46:21,373 --> 00:46:24,333
Speaker 3: facing at the moment. That's happening in bath Alone, or

996
00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:27,212
Speaker 3: it's happening in Italy, it's happening in Portugal. So keen

997
00:46:27,293 --> 00:46:28,813
Speaker 3: to you from you if you've been to any of

998
00:46:28,853 --> 00:46:31,333
Speaker 3: those countries or those hotspots, what does it really like?

999
00:46:31,973 --> 00:46:33,573
Speaker 3: Is it jam pack full of people? And how do

1000
00:46:33,653 --> 00:46:35,692
Speaker 3: the locals treat you? Did you feel about of hate

1001
00:46:35,813 --> 00:46:37,333
Speaker 3: when you were there? That's not what you want to

1002
00:46:37,373 --> 00:46:39,093
Speaker 3: feel when you're on holiday. Oh eight one hundred and

1003
00:46:39,093 --> 00:46:40,333
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty Z number call.

1004
00:46:40,933 --> 00:46:45,413
Speaker 2: Sharon Stewart, Morris Williamson and councilor Ken Turner all voted

1005
00:46:46,693 --> 00:46:49,133
Speaker 2: to increase the speed limits in the city from thirty

1006
00:46:49,253 --> 00:46:51,732
Speaker 2: thirty k. So so don't don't punish them.

1007
00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:52,853
Speaker 3: Shout out to those three.

1008
00:46:52,973 --> 00:46:54,733
Speaker 2: Shout out for those three being the only people with

1009
00:46:54,773 --> 00:46:59,453
Speaker 2: any kind of care for the time and the sanity

1010
00:46:59,653 --> 00:47:01,373
Speaker 2: of the citizens of Auckland City.

1011
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:03,533
Speaker 3: Yet well done. Those counselors put that one to.

1012
00:47:03,533 --> 00:47:05,013
Speaker 2: Bed anyway, I'll stop raving about that.

1013
00:47:05,493 --> 00:47:09,333
Speaker 3: I still anger the elections coming up in October. Ruth,

1014
00:47:09,453 --> 00:47:18,173
Speaker 3: you went to the Louver last year or Ruth, We're

1015
00:47:18,213 --> 00:47:21,133
Speaker 3: just that phone line is just breaking up a little bit.

1016
00:47:21,173 --> 00:47:23,453
Speaker 3: Hopefully it comes right. You just keep talking to us.

1017
00:47:23,813 --> 00:47:25,973
Speaker 3: It sounds like you're driving at the moment. Oh, yep,

1018
00:47:26,013 --> 00:47:26,573
Speaker 3: that sounded a good.

1019
00:47:27,773 --> 00:47:29,973
Speaker 18: Oh now you.

1020
00:47:31,893 --> 00:47:33,692
Speaker 2: We might get our producer Andrew to call you back

1021
00:47:33,733 --> 00:47:35,893
Speaker 2: and see if we can sort out that land line.

1022
00:47:35,933 --> 00:47:37,613
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, Ruth. We really want to talk to you,

1023
00:47:37,773 --> 00:47:40,493
Speaker 2: So let's lets see if we can get back through Hugh.

1024
00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:42,053
Speaker 2: Your thoughts.

1025
00:47:43,573 --> 00:47:48,173
Speaker 19: Here, Hi, guys open fortunate enough to spend time in

1026
00:47:48,493 --> 00:47:51,133
Speaker 19: the last three years Figer six week skin Europe. So

1027
00:47:51,773 --> 00:47:54,973
Speaker 19: last year was Barcelona all the way down through Lisbon.

1028
00:47:55,973 --> 00:47:59,613
Speaker 19: The year before it was France and Italy, and a

1029
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:02,733
Speaker 19: year before that was Venus during COVID, which nobody was.

1030
00:48:02,773 --> 00:48:05,533
Speaker 2: There, all right, right saying that you went to Venice.

1031
00:48:05,613 --> 00:48:08,733
Speaker 2: You into Venice during COVID, Yep.

1032
00:48:08,693 --> 00:48:10,893
Speaker 19: Right at the end of COVID, and we got a

1033
00:48:10,933 --> 00:48:14,013
Speaker 19: picture of Saint Mark's Square where about eight in the morning,

1034
00:48:14,053 --> 00:48:15,853
Speaker 19: where there's not another individual in it.

1035
00:48:16,693 --> 00:48:19,813
Speaker 2: Wow, we use there because there were stories that was

1036
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:22,933
Speaker 2: it dolphins that were coming out the coming up the

1037
00:48:23,013 --> 00:48:25,973
Speaker 2: canals and the water was running clear and the canals,

1038
00:48:26,093 --> 00:48:26,693
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1039
00:48:27,933 --> 00:48:28,172
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1040
00:48:28,213 --> 00:48:31,772
Speaker 19: I didn't actually see that, but our support our daughter

1041
00:48:32,093 --> 00:48:34,333
Speaker 19: was based out of London for three years, so we'd

1042
00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:37,333
Speaker 19: find to London and then go for trips. But the

1043
00:48:37,373 --> 00:48:39,933
Speaker 19: big key to all of these places, whether it be

1044
00:48:40,093 --> 00:48:43,133
Speaker 19: Rome or Barcelona or whatever, if you want to do

1045
00:48:43,253 --> 00:48:44,933
Speaker 19: the tourist thing, you've got to be out there at

1046
00:48:44,973 --> 00:48:48,252
Speaker 19: seven in the morning, do it first thing, right, Yeah,

1047
00:48:49,493 --> 00:48:51,812
Speaker 19: because Europeans tend to like to sleep in a little

1048
00:48:51,813 --> 00:48:54,692
Speaker 19: bit and you know, they're not out in about till

1049
00:48:54,733 --> 00:48:58,493
Speaker 19: nine or ten. And yeah, we've never you know, roam.

1050
00:48:58,573 --> 00:49:00,573
Speaker 19: None of it was really a big problem. The Mouseea

1051
00:49:00,613 --> 00:49:04,213
Speaker 19: Coast was traffic wise. Driving It was a little bit

1052
00:49:04,213 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 19: of an issue just because they're crazy. But yeah, and

1053
00:49:09,493 --> 00:49:12,453
Speaker 19: I currently live in Queenstown uh and a half years

1054
00:49:12,653 --> 00:49:15,773
Speaker 19: and the biggest problems here traffic ways are caused by

1055
00:49:16,293 --> 00:49:18,653
Speaker 19: all the construction. I'm in construction. All the trade is

1056
00:49:18,693 --> 00:49:20,373
Speaker 19: going to work at you know, seven thirty eight in

1057
00:49:20,413 --> 00:49:22,093
Speaker 19: the Morning's traffic jown, not the turs.

1058
00:49:22,933 --> 00:49:26,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So you're you're you're a Queenstown resident, and

1059
00:49:26,333 --> 00:49:28,453
Speaker 2: you think that you've got room for more tourists to

1060
00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:29,933
Speaker 2: start coming back into the system.

1061
00:49:31,173 --> 00:49:36,613
Speaker 19: Absolutely, moral hotels being built, the roadworks are still you

1062
00:49:36,653 --> 00:49:40,133
Speaker 19: know an issue from the airport into the township. So

1063
00:49:40,253 --> 00:49:43,413
Speaker 19: they really do need to work on their tme putting

1064
00:49:43,453 --> 00:49:50,253
Speaker 19: an aerial skyway in or yeah, from the airport to downtown.

1065
00:49:50,333 --> 00:49:54,293
Speaker 2: I'm excited to go on left. Yeah yeah, Now now

1066
00:49:54,373 --> 00:49:56,893
Speaker 2: you're right, payer Hugh in that area.

1067
00:49:57,373 --> 00:49:59,493
Speaker 19: Absolutely absolutely, And so.

1068
00:49:59,533 --> 00:50:01,933
Speaker 2: Because that's some some of the complaints before COVID anywhere

1069
00:50:01,973 --> 00:50:05,093
Speaker 2: we're from right pays. That's saying that a small population

1070
00:50:05,213 --> 00:50:07,893
Speaker 2: of right paths we're having to cover the infrastructure to

1071
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:12,133
Speaker 2: you of just teens and teens of thousands of tourists

1072
00:50:12,213 --> 00:50:14,453
Speaker 2: coming into the city, but you know into the area

1073
00:50:14,493 --> 00:50:15,813
Speaker 2: does that but that doesn't bother you.

1074
00:50:17,773 --> 00:50:17,893
Speaker 1: Uh.

1075
00:50:18,013 --> 00:50:19,933
Speaker 19: And in the sense that those tens and tens of

1076
00:50:20,013 --> 00:50:23,893
Speaker 19: thousands of tourists bring in the money, you know, without them,

1077
00:50:23,973 --> 00:50:27,933
Speaker 19: this town wouldn't exist. So people need to keep that

1078
00:50:28,053 --> 00:50:29,893
Speaker 19: in the back of their mind that we are a

1079
00:50:29,933 --> 00:50:33,133
Speaker 19: tourist based town whether we like it or not. And

1080
00:50:33,453 --> 00:50:35,093
Speaker 19: it is a stunning place to live.

1081
00:50:35,813 --> 00:50:35,933
Speaker 18: Uh.

1082
00:50:36,213 --> 00:50:38,453
Speaker 19: And I don't think our rates are not much higher

1083
00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:39,373
Speaker 19: than Auckland rates.

1084
00:50:39,893 --> 00:50:43,093
Speaker 2: Get that off right, And so you were you in

1085
00:50:43,213 --> 00:50:49,213
Speaker 2: Queenstown pre COVID, Yes, so what about that level of tourism?

1086
00:50:49,293 --> 00:50:51,653
Speaker 2: Would you want to go above that level of tourism?

1087
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Speaker 2: Would you think that was heading a peak at that point?

1088
00:50:56,573 --> 00:50:56,933
Speaker 1: Rarely?

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00:50:57,613 --> 00:51:00,253
Speaker 19: So, as most locals, we don't tend to go to

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00:51:00,373 --> 00:51:02,773
Speaker 19: the waterfront and Queenstown. Yeah, we don't need to go

1091
00:51:02,853 --> 00:51:07,253
Speaker 19: there for shopping. We've got Frankdin or five mile remarkables

1092
00:51:07,293 --> 00:51:11,013
Speaker 19: areas that we can access everything we need. But it

1093
00:51:11,133 --> 00:51:14,853
Speaker 19: is quite fun to be when visitors come to see us,

1094
00:51:14,933 --> 00:51:17,853
Speaker 19: to go downtown and be a tourist and get the buzz.

1095
00:51:18,613 --> 00:51:21,613
Speaker 19: And it's still not that I think there are at

1096
00:51:21,613 --> 00:51:25,733
Speaker 19: the occasional school holidays for instance, art but you know

1097
00:51:25,893 --> 00:51:28,413
Speaker 19: right now when if he went down at six of

1098
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:29,013
Speaker 19: what that name.

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00:51:29,213 --> 00:51:31,573
Speaker 3: Yes, the balance is always there here, isn't it with

1100
00:51:31,653 --> 00:51:34,093
Speaker 3: a place like Queenstown. And as you say, arguably you

1101
00:51:34,133 --> 00:51:35,653
Speaker 3: could do with some more tourists coming in there and

1102
00:51:35,733 --> 00:51:37,573
Speaker 3: spending money. That was good for all the businesses and

1103
00:51:37,613 --> 00:51:40,173
Speaker 3: good for everybody, but their balance of looking after the

1104
00:51:40,253 --> 00:51:43,053
Speaker 3: locals who still spend money in the cafes and restaurants

1105
00:51:43,093 --> 00:51:47,053
Speaker 3: and making sure it's accessible for them, but also accommodating

1106
00:51:47,133 --> 00:51:49,413
Speaker 3: for the tourists. That's always that fine balance, and that

1107
00:51:49,733 --> 00:51:52,493
Speaker 3: was my understanding of some of the concern before COVID,

1108
00:51:52,493 --> 00:51:54,053
Speaker 3: when it was starting to heave at the seam a

1109
00:51:54,093 --> 00:51:54,453
Speaker 3: little bit.

1110
00:51:56,093 --> 00:52:01,613
Speaker 19: I think the bigger issues probably around affordable housing. You know,

1111
00:52:01,653 --> 00:52:05,453
Speaker 19: I'm fortunate enough to own property, but for a lot

1112
00:52:05,533 --> 00:52:11,373
Speaker 19: of people on a hospitality income, having some places to

1113
00:52:11,453 --> 00:52:12,453
Speaker 19: live is very tough.

1114
00:52:12,573 --> 00:52:14,133
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, of course, Thank you so much for

1115
00:52:14,173 --> 00:52:16,133
Speaker 2: your call. Q. It is interesting that idea of, you know,

1116
00:52:16,173 --> 00:52:18,693
Speaker 2: the people that live in these mechas that people go to.

1117
00:52:19,133 --> 00:52:22,093
Speaker 2: I met some people that from Las Vegas when I

1118
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:24,253
Speaker 2: was last in the States, and they were just suburban

1119
00:52:24,773 --> 00:52:27,652
Speaker 2: Las Vegas sites. Is that what you call Las vegaans yep.

1120
00:52:28,093 --> 00:52:30,292
Speaker 2: And they never go to the Strip, but the Strip

1121
00:52:30,413 --> 00:52:33,693
Speaker 2: is absolutely Their idea of Las Vegas is just a suburban,

1122
00:52:33,893 --> 00:52:37,653
Speaker 2: nice schools, nice town place to live. They have absolutely

1123
00:52:37,733 --> 00:52:39,293
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the sin city part of it

1124
00:52:39,413 --> 00:52:42,173
Speaker 2: and would never go there. Yeah, it's just for tourists

1125
00:52:42,173 --> 00:52:44,013
Speaker 2: and you when when you're flying in there's a lot

1126
00:52:44,053 --> 00:52:46,813
Speaker 2: of Las Vegas just as an example. Las Vegas that

1127
00:52:47,013 --> 00:52:50,973
Speaker 2: that is is just you know, nice suburban city.

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00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:53,212
Speaker 3: Would it be like? Because I haven't been for some time,

1129
00:52:53,253 --> 00:52:57,333
Speaker 3: and it's expanded heavily since then. It's almost like satellite

1130
00:52:57,373 --> 00:52:59,533
Speaker 3: little towns outside of the strip, right, So you get

1131
00:52:59,573 --> 00:53:01,573
Speaker 3: the suburban that's been spread out through the desert, but

1132
00:53:01,613 --> 00:53:03,613
Speaker 3: then little satellite mules that pop up, and.

1133
00:53:03,773 --> 00:53:06,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's little places. There's Old Vegas, New Vegas.

1134
00:53:06,253 --> 00:53:08,093
Speaker 2: But a lot of people don't even go anywhere near there.

1135
00:53:08,453 --> 00:53:10,693
Speaker 2: In fact, Mark Wohlberg and his family's just moved to

1136
00:53:12,253 --> 00:53:15,893
Speaker 2: the area just because it's a nice suburban place to live.

1137
00:53:15,973 --> 00:53:16,172
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1138
00:53:16,213 --> 00:53:18,252
Speaker 3: Good actor. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1139
00:53:19,453 --> 00:53:20,013
Speaker 2: Have you seen that?

1140
00:53:20,213 --> 00:53:21,133
Speaker 3: I love his movies?

1141
00:53:21,213 --> 00:53:22,133
Speaker 2: Have you seen that happening?

1142
00:53:22,413 --> 00:53:22,493
Speaker 21: Oh?

1143
00:53:22,573 --> 00:53:24,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a terrible that was it was that his

1144
00:53:24,413 --> 00:53:27,293
Speaker 3: fault was that that director who has he hasn't had

1145
00:53:27,293 --> 00:53:28,172
Speaker 3: a hit for a long time.

1146
00:53:28,253 --> 00:53:31,493
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, he has. What was his last I like,

1147
00:53:31,613 --> 00:53:32,893
Speaker 2: knock at the Cabin door?

1148
00:53:32,933 --> 00:53:33,253
Speaker 1: What is it?

1149
00:53:33,373 --> 00:53:33,692
Speaker 2: That was good?

1150
00:53:33,813 --> 00:53:36,413
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, the village head

1151
00:53:36,413 --> 00:53:38,413
Speaker 3: time for the village. Yeah it was anyway. Oh, eight

1152
00:53:38,533 --> 00:53:41,173
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've been to some of

1153
00:53:41,213 --> 00:53:43,692
Speaker 3: these tourist hot spots in southern Europe, love to hear

1154
00:53:43,733 --> 00:53:45,413
Speaker 3: from you if you've been to the Louver. There is

1155
00:53:45,453 --> 00:53:48,013
Speaker 3: a big pushback on mass tourism from the locals and

1156
00:53:48,053 --> 00:53:49,613
Speaker 3: the Louvers now shut their doors.

1157
00:53:49,973 --> 00:53:51,853
Speaker 2: And it looks like Ruth's back so we can ask

1158
00:53:51,893 --> 00:53:54,533
Speaker 2: her about her experience in the Louver last year twenty.

1159
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:54,973
Speaker 3: Four past two.

1160
00:53:58,813 --> 00:54:02,453
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1161
00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:04,413
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk ZV.

1162
00:54:04,693 --> 00:54:07,773
Speaker 3: Twenty six PAS two over tourism or masterism is upsetting

1163
00:54:07,813 --> 00:54:11,733
Speaker 3: locals and Barsalona, Portugal, Italy and now the Louver has

1164
00:54:11,813 --> 00:54:15,413
Speaker 3: been closed Starff on strike saying that they cannot deal

1165
00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:17,373
Speaker 3: with the number of tourists that are coming through the

1166
00:54:17,533 --> 00:54:19,772
Speaker 3: world's most famous museum. I love to hear your thoughts

1167
00:54:19,813 --> 00:54:21,013
Speaker 3: on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1168
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:23,213
Speaker 2: Hey, he this is this Texter. I got back from

1169
00:54:23,253 --> 00:54:27,133
Speaker 2: Europe four weeks ago. Tourist hotspots were an absolute nightmare

1170
00:54:27,173 --> 00:54:29,653
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even peak season. Cheers and cheers for

1171
00:54:29,733 --> 00:54:33,533
Speaker 2: your text, Ruth. We've got your back, have we Yep,

1172
00:54:33,573 --> 00:54:35,973
Speaker 2: I'm here. Oh what a beautiful clear line that is now?

1173
00:54:38,053 --> 00:54:40,533
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, No no problem at all. So you

1174
00:54:40,693 --> 00:54:43,373
Speaker 2: enter the Louver in October last year, I believe.

1175
00:54:43,933 --> 00:54:47,093
Speaker 17: Yes, during our New Zealand school holidays, just we're lucky

1176
00:54:47,173 --> 00:54:50,053
Speaker 17: enough to have a couple of friends and family to

1177
00:54:50,253 --> 00:54:54,413
Speaker 17: stay with for a very quick trip, and didn't do everything,

1178
00:54:54,533 --> 00:54:58,173
Speaker 17: but booked a time slot about a week before, and

1179
00:54:58,933 --> 00:55:01,933
Speaker 17: it was admittedly an afternoon slot, like three o'clock or something,

1180
00:55:02,053 --> 00:55:06,732
Speaker 17: and then one day during the week and stood in line,

1181
00:55:06,853 --> 00:55:09,653
Speaker 17: got in. But it was insane. But my point the

1182
00:55:09,693 --> 00:55:11,733
Speaker 17: reason I ran saying, you know, even though we booked

1183
00:55:11,733 --> 00:55:13,493
Speaker 17: a time slot thinking that would save us hours in

1184
00:55:13,493 --> 00:55:14,973
Speaker 17: a cure, it probably saved us a couple of hours

1185
00:55:15,013 --> 00:55:18,413
Speaker 17: in a que But it was extraordinarily busy. I had

1186
00:55:18,453 --> 00:55:21,053
Speaker 17: been lucky enough to be in two thousand and five,

1187
00:55:21,933 --> 00:55:24,013
Speaker 17: two thousand and four, it was only the time then,

1188
00:55:24,093 --> 00:55:26,773
Speaker 17: and I remember being busy, and that was like the beginning.

1189
00:55:26,893 --> 00:55:29,173
Speaker 17: That was April in the morning, you know, Like, so

1190
00:55:30,093 --> 00:55:33,973
Speaker 17: I guess these places are this yeah, overrun. I'd like

1191
00:55:34,093 --> 00:55:36,173
Speaker 17: to say too that I felt that it wasn't. It

1192
00:55:36,293 --> 00:55:39,213
Speaker 17: wasn't the museums and stuff in Europe, the couple of

1193
00:55:39,293 --> 00:55:41,013
Speaker 17: ones I went to this time with my children. It

1194
00:55:41,053 --> 00:55:43,933
Speaker 17: didn't seem particularly expensive, you know, I felt it was

1195
00:55:44,013 --> 00:55:46,533
Speaker 17: quite RESTful, and maybe that's part of a problem, you know,

1196
00:55:46,573 --> 00:55:50,053
Speaker 17: they want to keep it accessible, but yeah, yeah it was.

1197
00:55:50,253 --> 00:55:50,453
Speaker 22: It was.

1198
00:55:51,293 --> 00:55:54,173
Speaker 17: It was insane in the sort of auditorium area of

1199
00:55:54,253 --> 00:55:57,573
Speaker 17: the love that that afternoon inside. Once you got in,

1200
00:55:57,693 --> 00:56:01,652
Speaker 17: you sort of yeah, it was yeah, crazy, thousands of people.

1201
00:56:01,973 --> 00:56:05,973
Speaker 2: So was this thousands and thousands of art lovers that

1202
00:56:06,093 --> 00:56:09,493
Speaker 2: are packing in there to stand back from look through

1203
00:56:09,533 --> 00:56:11,772
Speaker 2: all the paintings and observe them for a long period

1204
00:56:11,813 --> 00:56:13,652
Speaker 2: of time. Was it just a mob trying to see

1205
00:56:13,653 --> 00:56:14,293
Speaker 2: the Mona Lisa.

1206
00:56:15,653 --> 00:56:19,693
Speaker 17: Well, most, I would say a good portion were exactly

1207
00:56:19,813 --> 00:56:24,453
Speaker 17: just making a beeline for the Mona Lisa. But and

1208
00:56:24,493 --> 00:56:26,093
Speaker 17: then of course they'd like to move you on from that,

1209
00:56:26,253 --> 00:56:28,053
Speaker 17: Like you don't get to stand back and appreciate it

1210
00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,253
Speaker 17: because you're kind of moved on quite quickly, you know,

1211
00:56:30,413 --> 00:56:32,973
Speaker 17: like because there's just like this wave of people coming

1212
00:56:33,013 --> 00:56:33,533
Speaker 17: into the room.

1213
00:56:33,813 --> 00:56:35,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not to move on. And this is going

1214
00:56:35,853 --> 00:56:38,053
Speaker 2: to be controversial, but it's not even that good the moment.

1215
00:56:39,133 --> 00:56:41,172
Speaker 2: I mean, the only reason why we believe that it's

1216
00:56:41,253 --> 00:56:43,133
Speaker 2: the greatest painting in the world is it was stolen

1217
00:56:43,173 --> 00:56:45,533
Speaker 2: at one point and it was a news story that

1218
00:56:45,573 --> 00:56:47,812
Speaker 2: went around the world. And then that at that point,

1219
00:56:47,813 --> 00:56:49,692
Speaker 2: before it was stolen, it was down in a little

1220
00:56:49,773 --> 00:56:52,133
Speaker 2: corner in the louver and it wasn't even considered a

1221
00:56:52,213 --> 00:56:55,373
Speaker 2: very significant da Vinci. And then it was necked and

1222
00:56:55,373 --> 00:56:57,252
Speaker 2: then the stories went round this is the greatest painting

1223
00:56:57,293 --> 00:57:00,013
Speaker 2: in the world, and it just became incredibly famous. But

1224
00:57:00,093 --> 00:57:03,453
Speaker 2: I mean there's there's more amazing things in the louver.

1225
00:57:03,533 --> 00:57:06,772
Speaker 2: I mean, the Venus de Milo's in there, yep, yep.

1226
00:57:07,053 --> 00:57:09,133
Speaker 17: No lots of things to look at, but the thing, yeah,

1227
00:57:09,213 --> 00:57:16,173
Speaker 17: and lots of different era you know, different time frames

1228
00:57:16,253 --> 00:57:18,253
Speaker 17: and stuff like that, you know, throughout history to see,

1229
00:57:18,493 --> 00:57:21,773
Speaker 17: you know, and so but I guess, yeah, just that

1230
00:57:21,933 --> 00:57:26,613
Speaker 17: that just creates, yes, created its own problem, and there's

1231
00:57:27,093 --> 00:57:28,933
Speaker 17: like and also the other thing is that you couldn't

1232
00:57:28,933 --> 00:57:30,933
Speaker 17: even if you wanted to do it properly, of course,

1233
00:57:30,973 --> 00:57:33,333
Speaker 17: even a day, it's not really not even enough.

1234
00:57:33,693 --> 00:57:36,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you wanted to spend ten minutes looking at

1235
00:57:36,253 --> 00:57:39,853
Speaker 2: each painting, like you should possibly give it the time

1236
00:57:39,973 --> 00:57:44,613
Speaker 2: to fully sort of understand and observe the painting, then

1237
00:57:44,653 --> 00:57:46,533
Speaker 2: you would be in there for a lifetime.

1238
00:57:47,773 --> 00:57:49,573
Speaker 17: Yeah, So you know, that was just it was when

1239
00:57:49,613 --> 00:57:51,533
Speaker 17: you mentioned the louver, I said, I'd call because yeah,

1240
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:52,813
Speaker 17: we had been there relatively recently.

1241
00:57:53,213 --> 00:57:53,453
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1242
00:57:54,773 --> 00:57:57,933
Speaker 17: But can I just say one thing, yeah, one really

1243
00:57:58,013 --> 00:58:00,493
Speaker 17: quickly about content et cetera and the infrastructure and all

1244
00:58:00,493 --> 00:58:02,373
Speaker 17: the rest of it. But I thought that there was

1245
00:58:02,453 --> 00:58:04,973
Speaker 17: a tourist text when you when tourists flew enginews and

1246
00:58:05,373 --> 00:58:08,413
Speaker 17: so I presume the councils can apply for money. I

1247
00:58:08,613 --> 00:58:09,853
Speaker 17: can't remember what it was for. I thought it was

1248
00:58:09,893 --> 00:58:15,053
Speaker 17: for this of creating infrastructure to help with the tourists.

1249
00:58:15,773 --> 00:58:19,173
Speaker 2: To know whether that is allocated for where the tourists go,

1250
00:58:19,653 --> 00:58:21,533
Speaker 2: because it's taken when they arrive in the country. But

1251
00:58:21,733 --> 00:58:25,013
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know, but I can

1252
00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:27,573
Speaker 2: imagine it just going into the system and beings.

1253
00:58:28,293 --> 00:58:30,773
Speaker 3: As I understand it as a contestable fund, so it

1254
00:58:30,853 --> 00:58:34,213
Speaker 3: all goes to Tourism New Zealand and then the regions

1255
00:58:34,413 --> 00:58:36,533
Speaker 3: right contest for the funding that they say they need.

1256
00:58:36,733 --> 00:58:38,693
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, all right, thank you so much for

1257
00:58:38,733 --> 00:58:41,973
Speaker 2: your call, Ruth. I'd like to see the astronomer. You

1258
00:58:42,013 --> 00:58:46,053
Speaker 2: know that picture is Johann Vermier. Just look that's in

1259
00:58:46,093 --> 00:58:48,613
Speaker 2: the louver. It's it's a fantastic painting.

1260
00:58:50,333 --> 00:58:53,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I mean It's all the influences, isn't it.

1261
00:58:53,133 --> 00:58:54,573
Speaker 3: Let's let's be honest here when it comes to the

1262
00:58:54,653 --> 00:58:56,933
Speaker 3: Mona Lisa, all those young people, and that's all the

1263
00:58:57,053 --> 00:58:58,893
Speaker 3: only reason they go into the Louver is to get

1264
00:58:58,933 --> 00:59:00,813
Speaker 3: a picture in front of the Mona Lisa, post it

1265
00:59:00,933 --> 00:59:03,253
Speaker 3: up on Instagram, get their likes and say that there

1266
00:59:03,293 --> 00:59:05,853
Speaker 3: aren't connoisseurs. And I think that's what's upsetting the staff

1267
00:59:05,893 --> 00:59:07,093
Speaker 3: at the Lover. I can understand that.

1268
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:09,933
Speaker 2: I mean, how ironic is You've got an amazing piece

1269
00:59:09,973 --> 00:59:15,053
Speaker 2: of art that the pure and utter narcissism, narcissism and

1270
00:59:15,253 --> 00:59:19,133
Speaker 2: vacuous nature of you obscuring a piece of genius to

1271
00:59:19,213 --> 00:59:21,253
Speaker 2: take a picture of yourself in front of it for likes.

1272
00:59:21,613 --> 00:59:27,813
Speaker 2: You are literally obscuring part of something absolutely genius for

1273
00:59:27,893 --> 00:59:32,133
Speaker 2: a photo of yourself. Anyone that does that is that

1274
00:59:32,293 --> 00:59:34,653
Speaker 2: they need to look inside their soul and find out

1275
00:59:34,653 --> 00:59:35,373
Speaker 2: if there's anything in it.

1276
00:59:35,493 --> 00:59:37,933
Speaker 3: You're a bad human. The headlines are trailing coming up.

1277
00:59:37,973 --> 00:59:38,853
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight to three.

1278
00:59:41,213 --> 00:59:44,813
Speaker 7: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1279
00:59:44,933 --> 00:59:49,293
Speaker 7: no trouble with a blue bubble. An Nzier economist is

1280
00:59:49,453 --> 00:59:52,413
Speaker 7: raising the alarm on plans to replace the five yearly

1281
00:59:52,533 --> 00:59:57,493
Speaker 7: census with small annual surveys and already collected government data.

1282
00:59:58,093 --> 01:00:01,893
Speaker 7: Bill K. Blake says it will adversely affect vulnerable communities

1283
01:00:02,293 --> 01:00:06,333
Speaker 7: and won't collect data to identify whether communities are struggling.

1284
01:00:07,253 --> 01:00:11,093
Speaker 7: The downtown Auckland Few World severely damaged by fire Yesterday

1285
01:00:11,493 --> 01:00:13,813
Speaker 7: has been handed back to its owners by fire and

1286
01:00:13,933 --> 01:00:18,493
Speaker 7: emergency investigators are working to determine its cause and deceases,

1287
01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:24,653
Speaker 7: deciding if repairs are feasible. Asiasis treatments among almost fifty

1288
01:00:24,773 --> 01:00:28,773
Speaker 7: funding applications rejected by far MAC, but seven are still

1289
01:00:28,853 --> 01:00:34,213
Speaker 7: being considered, including medicines treating severe asthma, breast cancer, and influenza.

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01:00:35,213 --> 01:00:39,013
Speaker 7: The US President has called for Iran's unconditional surrender. Is

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01:00:39,133 --> 01:00:43,373
Speaker 7: military aggressions ramp up between Israel and Iran, and a

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01:00:43,453 --> 01:00:46,933
Speaker 7: person has died after a single vehicle incident in Blenheim's

1293
01:00:46,973 --> 01:00:52,653
Speaker 7: Redwood Town copyright Clash UK. Sculptor seeks recognition for New

1294
01:00:52,733 --> 01:00:57,213
Speaker 7: Zealand artwork similarity. You can find out more at Enzidherral Premium.

1295
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Speaker 7: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean, and we're talking about protests

1297
01:01:01,973 --> 01:01:04,653
Speaker 3: against mass tourism in southern Europe. Just before we go on,

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Speaker 3: can I say how how hot it is in here

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Speaker 3: right now? If you look them in the Borneo jungle,

1300
01:01:08,813 --> 01:01:12,453
Speaker 3: this condensation dripping off the window. Matt cranked the AC

1301
01:01:12,773 --> 01:01:14,213
Speaker 3: up to as high as it can go. I think

1302
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Speaker 3: about thirty seven degrees.

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01:01:15,573 --> 01:01:17,253
Speaker 2: Well, you know, like everyone's complaining how cold it is

1304
01:01:17,293 --> 01:01:20,133
Speaker 2: in Auckland at the moment, but we're both southern lands. Yeah,

1305
01:01:20,213 --> 01:01:22,413
Speaker 2: so you know, if people are going to complain how

1306
01:01:22,533 --> 01:01:24,613
Speaker 2: cold it is, I'm going to pump the air conditioning

1307
01:01:24,693 --> 01:01:27,133
Speaker 2: up to thirty one degrees and see if people will

1308
01:01:27,133 --> 01:01:27,973
Speaker 2: stop winging here.

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01:01:28,013 --> 01:01:29,573
Speaker 3: There's going to be so angry with you, mate, Yeah,

1310
01:01:29,573 --> 01:01:30,093
Speaker 3: I want to turn it.

1311
01:01:30,093 --> 01:01:33,933
Speaker 2: Down and scared of this text is Matt dropped the

1312
01:01:34,053 --> 01:01:36,573
Speaker 2: art critics stuff and stick to cricket, alcohol and music.

1313
01:01:37,573 --> 01:01:40,693
Speaker 2: That's from a Jonathan Coleman. Oh right, okay, okay, what

1314
01:01:40,813 --> 01:01:42,093
Speaker 2: if it's the Jonathan Coleman.

1315
01:01:42,693 --> 01:01:45,333
Speaker 3: But you do love your cricket, alcohol end music. He's

1316
01:01:45,413 --> 01:01:46,573
Speaker 3: right on that point, that's true.

1317
01:01:46,613 --> 01:01:50,013
Speaker 2: But my art criticism that the Mona Liza is a

1318
01:01:50,053 --> 01:01:53,493
Speaker 2: bit rubbish. It's probably not the greatest level of art criticism.

1319
01:01:53,573 --> 01:01:54,853
Speaker 3: Come on, Da Vinci you can do better.

1320
01:01:54,933 --> 01:01:58,813
Speaker 2: Hey, any chat on European vacations and the overcrowding you've.

1321
01:01:58,693 --> 01:02:01,813
Speaker 13: Got to you can't help them, think of drive around

1322
01:02:01,853 --> 01:02:03,893
Speaker 13: the circle garrit a second.

1323
01:02:03,693 --> 01:02:05,013
Speaker 2: Lapsed European vacation.

1324
01:02:05,853 --> 01:02:08,053
Speaker 23: Hey, look, kids, there's big band and there's parliament.

1325
01:02:08,693 --> 01:02:11,613
Speaker 2: An American family been getting caught on a roundabout because

1326
01:02:11,613 --> 01:02:16,093
Speaker 2: they don't have roundabouts in the States. To see if

1327
01:02:16,133 --> 01:02:19,093
Speaker 2: you get over and the leaf Johnny phone next. Sorry,

1328
01:02:19,853 --> 01:02:20,453
Speaker 2: we'll get out of.

1329
01:02:20,453 --> 01:02:23,613
Speaker 13: This gentle in a minute, kids, Big Man.

1330
01:02:26,053 --> 01:02:27,933
Speaker 3: The Griswolds is such a great movie.

1331
01:02:28,093 --> 01:02:30,413
Speaker 2: It is a fantastic movie. Was it from nineteen eighty five?

1332
01:02:30,653 --> 01:02:32,173
Speaker 2: Is it's a long time ago that year they ended

1333
01:02:32,213 --> 01:02:34,413
Speaker 2: up in the roundabout, just going around around, spotting Big

1334
01:02:34,493 --> 01:02:35,373
Speaker 2: Ben over and over again.

1335
01:02:35,813 --> 01:02:37,333
Speaker 3: Plenty of teas coming through. We'll get to some of

1336
01:02:37,373 --> 01:02:40,653
Speaker 3: those very shortly. But Scott's you are on the road

1337
01:02:40,693 --> 01:02:41,093
Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good a gentlemen. Hey, I remember because obviously listening

1339
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:48,013
Speaker 5: to your fine radio for a number of years now,

1340
01:02:48,053 --> 01:02:50,773
Speaker 5: well they've been driving around and of course different presenters

1341
01:02:50,813 --> 01:02:54,413
Speaker 5: back in the day raised the issues around tourism being

1342
01:02:54,453 --> 01:02:56,933
Speaker 5: a big problem in New Zealand and the biggest problem

1343
01:02:57,013 --> 01:03:00,573
Speaker 5: that we had before COVID was the type of tourists

1344
01:03:00,573 --> 01:03:03,013
Speaker 5: we were seeing, so we were the biggest issue was

1345
01:03:03,053 --> 01:03:06,093
Speaker 5: the freedom campers and the juicy rental guys and the

1346
01:03:06,213 --> 01:03:08,733
Speaker 5: only ones that made money off them really pack and

1347
01:03:08,813 --> 01:03:12,733
Speaker 5: save some baked beans and spaghetti. So they were the

1348
01:03:12,773 --> 01:03:15,253
Speaker 5: biggest issue in our country at the time as I

1349
01:03:15,373 --> 01:03:17,733
Speaker 5: remember it. Anyway, it wasn't so much we got a

1350
01:03:17,853 --> 01:03:20,173
Speaker 5: lot of tourists. We just got a particular type of

1351
01:03:20,253 --> 01:03:23,493
Speaker 5: tourist that we're here purely just to drive beat up

1352
01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:28,613
Speaker 5: little vans. Juicies was an upgrade. Let's be honest and

1353
01:03:29,213 --> 01:03:31,133
Speaker 5: be a major problem. Drive on the wrong side of

1354
01:03:31,133 --> 01:03:34,253
Speaker 5: the road too, which is a poor boy. That happened

1355
01:03:34,293 --> 01:03:34,733
Speaker 5: quite a bat.

1356
01:03:34,933 --> 01:03:37,333
Speaker 2: That's not a good, no, it's not.

1357
01:03:37,813 --> 01:03:40,253
Speaker 5: And a lot of the times they didn't even speak

1358
01:03:40,573 --> 01:03:42,533
Speaker 5: our language, you know, because they're from different parts of

1359
01:03:42,573 --> 01:03:44,933
Speaker 5: the world obviously, so made it a little bit hard

1360
01:03:45,013 --> 01:03:47,173
Speaker 5: and challenging with our road rules, I guess, and maybe

1361
01:03:47,213 --> 01:03:49,253
Speaker 5: some of the signs I don't know, but they struggled.

1362
01:03:49,653 --> 01:03:52,413
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was is the way they went about

1363
01:03:52,653 --> 01:03:55,493
Speaker 5: their tourism in our country. So I guess the high

1364
01:03:55,653 --> 01:03:57,493
Speaker 5: end ones. I guess the ones that come here and

1365
01:03:57,973 --> 01:04:00,453
Speaker 5: play goal for whatever else they do. I guess they're

1366
01:04:00,653 --> 01:04:02,653
Speaker 5: they're the ones we probably want because they add to

1367
01:04:02,773 --> 01:04:07,013
Speaker 5: our in our country, don't they? But how do you

1368
01:04:07,053 --> 01:04:07,613
Speaker 5: get money here?

1369
01:04:07,853 --> 01:04:09,173
Speaker 3: How do you do that?

1370
01:04:09,373 --> 01:04:09,533
Speaker 9: Though?

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01:04:09,813 --> 01:04:13,053
Speaker 2: How do you restrict urism to the point that you

1372
01:04:13,093 --> 01:04:14,533
Speaker 2: want the ones that are going to spend some money

1373
01:04:14,573 --> 01:04:17,053
Speaker 2: and not mess up the infrastructure and drive on the

1374
01:04:17,173 --> 01:04:18,733
Speaker 2: correct side of the road and stuff. How do you

1375
01:04:19,213 --> 01:04:23,253
Speaker 2: prioritize I guess you could advertise, you know, if we

1376
01:04:23,333 --> 01:04:24,813
Speaker 2: spend a certain amount of money on the one hundred

1377
01:04:24,813 --> 01:04:29,093
Speaker 2: percent pure campaign only in flash magazines.

1378
01:04:29,213 --> 01:04:29,653
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1379
01:04:31,893 --> 01:04:33,573
Speaker 5: I don't think there is an answer to it, lad.

1380
01:04:33,693 --> 01:04:37,453
Speaker 5: We certainly haven't seen that return since COVID. It's certainly

1381
01:04:37,533 --> 01:04:40,733
Speaker 5: not the problem used it was prior. I don't know.

1382
01:04:40,813 --> 01:04:42,493
Speaker 5: It's it's a bit of a word of mouth thing. Hey,

1383
01:04:42,533 --> 01:04:43,893
Speaker 5: you know, a whole bunch of twenty year olds get

1384
01:04:43,893 --> 01:04:45,333
Speaker 5: together and they have a great time, and then they

1385
01:04:45,373 --> 01:04:46,893
Speaker 5: go and tell a whole bunch of other twenty year

1386
01:04:46,893 --> 01:04:48,973
Speaker 5: olds they had a great time, and by all means

1387
01:04:49,013 --> 01:04:50,533
Speaker 5: come to our country and have a great time, because

1388
01:04:50,533 --> 01:04:53,373
Speaker 5: it is fantastic. But what I'm sort of saying here, lads,

1389
01:04:53,453 --> 01:04:56,613
Speaker 5: is that that was the problem that was pre COVID.

1390
01:04:56,893 --> 01:05:00,053
Speaker 5: Before COVID, that was that was the big concern. Everyone

1391
01:05:00,173 --> 01:05:02,533
Speaker 5: got grumpy. You know that these guys were taking poos

1392
01:05:02,573 --> 01:05:05,053
Speaker 5: onside the road, and I can vouch I did see

1393
01:05:05,093 --> 01:05:08,693
Speaker 5: that on State Highway four. Ye campers just taking a

1394
01:05:08,773 --> 01:05:11,013
Speaker 5: dump right on the grass on the edge.

1395
01:05:10,893 --> 01:05:14,693
Speaker 2: Of the road sometimes sometimes you know, being a sometimes

1396
01:05:15,053 --> 01:05:17,013
Speaker 2: that as locals that are doing that. Though we've got it,

1397
01:05:17,053 --> 01:05:19,493
Speaker 2: we can't rule out the disgusting locals that have.

1398
01:05:19,813 --> 01:05:24,413
Speaker 3: Driven to take it on the side of the road too.

1399
01:05:26,533 --> 01:05:30,253
Speaker 2: But what about the segment, Scott. You hear this argument

1400
01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:35,293
Speaker 2: quite a lot that these say American or European backpackers,

1401
01:05:35,333 --> 01:05:37,333
Speaker 2: they come here when they're young and they love it

1402
01:05:37,453 --> 01:05:39,813
Speaker 2: so much. They have such a fantastic time. They're poor

1403
01:05:39,853 --> 01:05:41,973
Speaker 2: at that point, but then they go away, they become

1404
01:05:42,093 --> 01:05:44,573
Speaker 2: wealthy and they talk about their trip to New Zealand

1405
01:05:44,613 --> 01:05:46,853
Speaker 2: so much. They then come back years later with their

1406
01:05:46,933 --> 01:05:51,013
Speaker 2: family and spend up cash. So it's sort of a

1407
01:05:51,093 --> 01:05:52,533
Speaker 2: long game in a way.

1408
01:05:54,053 --> 01:05:55,773
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it sort of comes back to what

1409
01:05:55,813 --> 01:05:57,293
Speaker 5: I sort of said, You don't want to turn them away,

1410
01:05:57,333 --> 01:05:59,773
Speaker 5: and we can't write they're allowed to come into our country.

1411
01:05:59,773 --> 01:06:02,213
Speaker 5: They applied for a visa for a holiday and they

1412
01:06:02,253 --> 01:06:04,253
Speaker 5: can come. It doesn't matter now what they're doing if

1413
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:07,293
Speaker 5: they're driving a you know, a tesla around the countryside,

1414
01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:12,213
Speaker 5: or they're driving a and this and caravan. But you're right,

1415
01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:14,373
Speaker 5: there has to be an environment where one that they

1416
01:06:14,533 --> 01:06:16,293
Speaker 5: enjoy and they want to come back and spend money.

1417
01:06:17,053 --> 01:06:19,453
Speaker 5: I would welcome that. There's no way we can stop it.

1418
01:06:19,813 --> 01:06:22,413
Speaker 5: But I guess you'd look at the Auckland def Sea owner, right, So.

1419
01:06:22,533 --> 01:06:24,173
Speaker 16: He came here on a holiday with an old bunch

1420
01:06:24,173 --> 01:06:27,133
Speaker 16: of tourists, really loved the place, brought wineries and now

1421
01:06:27,173 --> 01:06:29,893
Speaker 16: he's invested with the sports club and he's also going

1422
01:06:29,933 --> 01:06:32,733
Speaker 16: to invest in Auckland infrastructure all on his own.

1423
01:06:33,053 --> 01:06:35,733
Speaker 5: I mean, how fantastic is that? And that's a great

1424
01:06:35,813 --> 01:06:38,853
Speaker 5: advert for New Zealand and about what we can offer

1425
01:06:38,933 --> 01:06:41,533
Speaker 5: people from overseas as a country, a better way of

1426
01:06:41,613 --> 01:06:44,253
Speaker 5: living and a great environment for you for your children

1427
01:06:44,293 --> 01:06:44,733
Speaker 5: to grow up.

1428
01:06:44,773 --> 01:06:46,173
Speaker 2: And so on one hand you've got it, you've got

1429
01:06:46,213 --> 01:06:48,533
Speaker 2: to balance it out. Potentially, Scott, you've got you know,

1430
01:06:49,613 --> 01:06:53,693
Speaker 2: one thousand freedom campers defecating on the side of our

1431
01:06:53,813 --> 01:06:58,533
Speaker 2: roads and one Bill Foley coming here investing in a

1432
01:06:58,693 --> 01:07:02,053
Speaker 2: fantastic football club and then investing in the company. So

1433
01:07:02,493 --> 01:07:06,173
Speaker 2: maybe it's a sort of a driftnet fishing type approach

1434
01:07:06,573 --> 01:07:10,053
Speaker 2: to getting people that actually help the country. And hey,

1435
01:07:10,093 --> 01:07:10,613
Speaker 2: thanks some of it.

1436
01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:12,653
Speaker 5: Some white netlds.

1437
01:07:12,613 --> 01:07:14,213
Speaker 3: Exactly just need the big one.

1438
01:07:14,293 --> 01:07:14,653
Speaker 21: Thanks for you.

1439
01:07:14,733 --> 01:07:15,213
Speaker 2: Call Scott.

1440
01:07:15,333 --> 01:07:17,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1441
01:07:17,253 --> 01:07:19,693
Speaker 3: number to call. Love to hear your thoughts about over tourism.

1442
01:07:19,773 --> 01:07:22,653
Speaker 3: Are we facing it here in some parts of New

1443
01:07:22,773 --> 01:07:24,613
Speaker 3: Zealand again or do we need the tourists to come

1444
01:07:25,053 --> 01:07:26,733
Speaker 3: back here? And also, if you've been to some of

1445
01:07:26,773 --> 01:07:28,973
Speaker 3: these hot spots in Europe where these mass protests are

1446
01:07:29,013 --> 01:07:31,453
Speaker 3: taking place, what was it like? Was it jam packed

1447
01:07:31,533 --> 01:07:34,933
Speaker 3: full of punishing tourists? Were you one of those punishing tourists?

1448
01:07:34,933 --> 01:07:37,453
Speaker 3: Did you get a bit of stick from the locals?

1449
01:07:37,533 --> 01:07:39,773
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, Hey, I took my nine

1450
01:07:39,853 --> 01:07:41,853
Speaker 2: year old daughter to Paris and April she insisted on

1451
01:07:41,893 --> 01:07:44,853
Speaker 2: getting a beret. I kept calling her Audrey, which is

1452
01:07:44,893 --> 01:07:47,333
Speaker 2: one of the Griswold daughters. Well, the Griswold daughter, she

1453
01:07:47,493 --> 01:07:49,853
Speaker 2: is Matt there. Great, that would have been a reference

1454
01:07:49,893 --> 01:07:51,013
Speaker 2: that a nine year old would not get.

1455
01:07:51,853 --> 01:07:56,093
Speaker 3: It is seventeen to three, the issues that affect you and.

1456
01:07:56,253 --> 01:07:58,693
Speaker 1: A bit of fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler

1457
01:07:58,773 --> 01:08:01,173
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons, News Talks.

1458
01:08:01,053 --> 01:08:03,893
Speaker 3: B, News Talks B. It is quarter to three.

1459
01:08:04,373 --> 01:08:06,373
Speaker 2: This is a good text from Bill must correct Scott

1460
01:08:06,533 --> 01:08:08,893
Speaker 2: the odd starving English geezer my by a can of

1461
01:08:08,933 --> 01:08:11,893
Speaker 2: baked beans, but no one except Kiwi's by canned spaghetti,

1462
01:08:11,973 --> 01:08:17,293
Speaker 2: especially Italians. I did this article for The Herald a

1463
01:08:17,372 --> 01:08:21,333
Speaker 2: few years back, and it was taking spaghetti on toast

1464
01:08:22,053 --> 01:08:25,852
Speaker 2: with heaps of grated cheese to fancy Italian Italian restaurants

1465
01:08:25,893 --> 01:08:28,812
Speaker 2: and asking people that have moved from Italy to start

1466
01:08:29,213 --> 01:08:32,492
Speaker 2: fantastic Italian restaurants what they thought of spaghetti on toast.

1467
01:08:33,053 --> 01:08:35,012
Speaker 3: Not fans, they wouldn't have had a sense of humor

1468
01:08:35,053 --> 01:08:36,972
Speaker 3: about that fad. You lucky to get out of lot.

1469
01:08:37,053 --> 01:08:39,852
Speaker 2: What's that really fancy Italian restaurant? And mounted and it's

1470
01:08:39,973 --> 01:08:44,133
Speaker 2: really good mount Eden Italian. I look it up, but

1471
01:08:44,253 --> 01:08:50,093
Speaker 2: they were like they couldn't believe pasta I cure fantastic

1472
01:08:51,173 --> 01:08:55,253
Speaker 2: Italian restaurant And on the front of their menu it

1473
01:08:55,293 --> 01:09:00,372
Speaker 2: says spag bowl is not an Italian dish. They're they're

1474
01:09:00,532 --> 01:09:03,973
Speaker 2: very clear what Italian food is and how we get

1475
01:09:04,013 --> 01:09:07,452
Speaker 2: it wrong. And they were not impressed by spagy on

1476
01:09:07,492 --> 01:09:11,173
Speaker 2: toast and I said, you're wrong. Spaghetti on toast is delicious.

1477
01:09:11,293 --> 01:09:13,772
Speaker 3: You're a brave man. May Oh one hundred and eighty

1478
01:09:13,812 --> 01:09:16,213
Speaker 3: ten eight s number to call Alan, Welcome to the show.

1479
01:09:17,133 --> 01:09:20,932
Speaker 18: Yeah, oh guys, how are you good? Spaghetti and baked

1480
01:09:20,973 --> 01:09:24,372
Speaker 18: beans with a pokest egg on tops even better.

1481
01:09:25,853 --> 01:09:27,812
Speaker 2: I'm going to open an Italian restaurant that just does

1482
01:09:28,893 --> 01:09:30,492
Speaker 2: just does Italian food.

1483
01:09:31,572 --> 01:09:35,372
Speaker 18: Yeah, don't ask me, You've had my sandwich choices. But look,

1484
01:09:36,612 --> 01:09:38,253
Speaker 18: you're kind of going to break it into two things.

1485
01:09:39,452 --> 01:09:39,772
Speaker 5: I guess.

1486
01:09:39,853 --> 01:09:42,053
Speaker 18: First of all, whether Europe we're actually going over and

1487
01:09:42,492 --> 01:09:48,253
Speaker 18: ten days and stuff, And the problem is you alluded

1488
01:09:48,293 --> 01:09:51,412
Speaker 18: to it before. You've got day trippers and influencers who

1489
01:09:51,492 --> 01:09:54,853
Speaker 18: just want to tick a box. Yeah, And then combined

1490
01:09:54,973 --> 01:09:57,053
Speaker 18: with that, you've got the tour groups which are doing

1491
01:09:57,452 --> 01:10:00,053
Speaker 18: like fifty two cities in a week type of thing,

1492
01:10:00,853 --> 01:10:04,173
Speaker 18: and so there's pressure to get somewhere quick and see

1493
01:10:04,253 --> 01:10:07,692
Speaker 18: stuff and then move on. But we've never had a

1494
01:10:08,612 --> 01:10:11,772
Speaker 18: issue because we stay in these places for like four

1495
01:10:11,893 --> 01:10:15,372
Speaker 18: or five, six, seven days, so you can sort of

1496
01:10:15,452 --> 01:10:19,213
Speaker 18: pick and choose when you go to do things and

1497
01:10:19,333 --> 01:10:22,612
Speaker 18: it's much more relaxing than rushing here and rushing there.

1498
01:10:24,612 --> 01:10:28,173
Speaker 18: And as far as New Zealand is concerned, I think

1499
01:10:28,333 --> 01:10:31,053
Speaker 18: pre COVID the issue was with a lot of tour

1500
01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:35,732
Speaker 18: groups coming down here, especially from Asia, where all of

1501
01:10:35,812 --> 01:10:40,053
Speaker 18: the money was spent in Asia and not much was

1502
01:10:40,133 --> 01:10:43,812
Speaker 18: spent here, and they were doing the same thing that

1503
01:10:43,893 --> 01:10:47,812
Speaker 18: were jamming up the infrastructure, if you like, in a

1504
01:10:48,053 --> 01:10:51,133
Speaker 18: push to get around to see things, but all of

1505
01:10:51,173 --> 01:10:53,532
Speaker 18: their money, apart from the odd cup of coffee or

1506
01:10:53,572 --> 01:10:56,612
Speaker 18: souvenir here and there, had already been banked.

1507
01:10:59,133 --> 01:11:02,612
Speaker 2: Saying that is that the fishbowl tour or the glass

1508
01:11:04,173 --> 01:11:05,692
Speaker 2: everything's out of the window of a tour bus.

1509
01:11:06,572 --> 01:11:09,412
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right exactly that. I mean, like people fly

1510
01:11:09,532 --> 01:11:12,813
Speaker 18: into Aukhan and they do I don't know why tawpet

1511
01:11:12,853 --> 01:11:16,133
Speaker 18: a sort of in three days, you know, But if

1512
01:11:16,133 --> 01:11:18,173
Speaker 18: you get them to stay another day or two days,

1513
01:11:18,652 --> 01:11:20,972
Speaker 18: that makes all the difference because then the money gets

1514
01:11:21,013 --> 01:11:24,852
Speaker 18: spread around locally. It's like it's like if you go

1515
01:11:24,933 --> 01:11:26,972
Speaker 18: to Figi, right, you have a good time in Figi,

1516
01:11:27,772 --> 01:11:30,572
Speaker 18: but all of the money you spend ends up in

1517
01:11:30,652 --> 01:11:33,973
Speaker 18: a corporations bank account. None of it ends up in

1518
01:11:34,013 --> 01:11:38,253
Speaker 18: the local economy, and so it's we're doing to Fiji,

1519
01:11:38,572 --> 01:11:41,333
Speaker 18: for example, what has been done to us, and we've

1520
01:11:41,333 --> 01:11:43,732
Speaker 18: got to try and switch that around to get more

1521
01:11:44,692 --> 01:11:50,013
Speaker 18: people living locally, buying locally, ending them money locally. So

1522
01:11:50,213 --> 01:11:53,572
Speaker 18: if you look at a venice, you know, sixty five

1523
01:11:53,652 --> 01:11:58,532
Speaker 18: thousand people live there, thirty million tourists a year. Most

1524
01:11:58,572 --> 01:12:00,892
Speaker 18: of those are day trippers. They come off the boat

1525
01:12:00,933 --> 01:12:05,972
Speaker 18: where they've had they got free or prepaid meals a day,

1526
01:12:06,492 --> 01:12:09,772
Speaker 18: They walk around, clogging up the street, don't buy anything,

1527
01:12:09,893 --> 01:12:11,372
Speaker 18: and then go behind the ship at night.

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01:12:11,572 --> 01:12:13,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're not even going to a restaurant. They're

1529
01:12:14,013 --> 01:12:16,652
Speaker 2: eating on the boat and getting off. Because you're exactly right,

1530
01:12:16,692 --> 01:12:18,412
Speaker 2: we want we want the people getting off the bus

1531
01:12:18,652 --> 01:12:21,333
Speaker 2: and going and trying a myriad of restaurants. So so

1532
01:12:21,452 --> 01:12:24,293
Speaker 2: it's spread out across across our place.

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01:12:24,853 --> 01:12:25,013
Speaker 5: Try.

1534
01:12:25,133 --> 01:12:26,852
Speaker 18: Yeah, what what you really want, I guess in the

1535
01:12:26,933 --> 01:12:29,372
Speaker 18: perfect world is you want people to say, Okay, we'll come,

1536
01:12:30,133 --> 01:12:32,173
Speaker 18: we'll come into Auckland and we'll go north for a

1537
01:12:32,253 --> 01:12:34,973
Speaker 18: week and then and then we'll go south down to

1538
01:12:35,013 --> 01:12:37,253
Speaker 18: Wellington and we'll fly and then we'll work over the

1539
01:12:38,253 --> 01:12:40,892
Speaker 18: you know, and then we'll do the south over say

1540
01:12:40,933 --> 01:12:44,972
Speaker 18: three or four weeks, because then everyone along the chain

1541
01:12:45,053 --> 01:12:50,453
Speaker 18: has got the opportunity of gaining revenue from that exchange.

1542
01:12:50,973 --> 01:12:54,692
Speaker 18: But if they come in on a tour dinner bus,

1543
01:12:55,652 --> 01:12:56,892
Speaker 18: you're never going to see their money.

1544
01:12:57,173 --> 01:13:01,132
Speaker 13: Yes, interesting, it's an interesting the places where.

1545
01:13:00,973 --> 01:13:04,772
Speaker 18: They have have souvenirs queens count you know a lot

1546
01:13:04,812 --> 01:13:08,572
Speaker 18: of those shops are probably Yeah, and so they go

1547
01:13:08,612 --> 01:13:11,333
Speaker 18: and buy the sheepskin rug. Yeah, a thousand dollars for it,

1548
01:13:11,412 --> 01:13:13,253
Speaker 18: But it's all going back to and there's a kick.

1549
01:13:13,372 --> 01:13:15,213
Speaker 2: There's a kick back back to the bus company to

1550
01:13:15,213 --> 01:13:17,652
Speaker 2: stop out the front of it, and they fleece them

1551
01:13:17,692 --> 01:13:20,732
Speaker 2: for some fleeces and then they get going when just

1552
01:13:20,893 --> 01:13:22,652
Speaker 2: just to finish up, Alan, thanks so much for your call.

1553
01:13:22,732 --> 01:13:24,812
Speaker 2: You make a lot of sense. But I was, you know,

1554
01:13:25,133 --> 01:13:28,053
Speaker 2: a little pushback. I was in Fiji and I thought

1555
01:13:28,093 --> 01:13:29,973
Speaker 2: one day, like I'll go out and suv and just

1556
01:13:30,053 --> 01:13:32,932
Speaker 2: actually experience Fiji rather than hanging out at the resort

1557
01:13:33,053 --> 01:13:36,293
Speaker 2: good Man, and I got mud. I got mugged at

1558
01:13:36,372 --> 01:13:36,852
Speaker 2: knife point.

1559
01:13:37,492 --> 01:13:40,572
Speaker 3: You deserved it, though, that's the difference. You know, you're

1560
01:13:40,572 --> 01:13:41,732
Speaker 3: probably asking for it, knowing.

1561
01:13:41,853 --> 01:13:43,293
Speaker 2: It's one of those scams they come up with the

1562
01:13:43,372 --> 01:13:45,213
Speaker 2: carving and they say, oh, what's your name? You go,

1563
01:13:45,692 --> 01:13:48,053
Speaker 2: you go, Matt, they go, and then they carve it

1564
01:13:48,093 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 2: on there and they go fifty bucks and then they

1565
01:13:50,692 --> 01:13:52,333
Speaker 2: hold the little thing they carved it to to.

1566
01:13:52,412 --> 01:13:54,732
Speaker 18: Your throat, and I thought that was just for the

1567
01:13:54,772 --> 01:13:56,293
Speaker 18: little kids to get can that way.

1568
01:13:57,893 --> 01:13:58,093
Speaker 13: Kids.

1569
01:13:58,173 --> 01:13:59,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you've said it out.

1570
01:13:59,652 --> 01:14:01,572
Speaker 2: I felt that one Hodline and Sinker.

1571
01:14:01,812 --> 01:14:04,492
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, I did too when I first went over there.

1572
01:14:05,213 --> 01:14:10,173
Speaker 18: So yeah, but the point is that, you know, we

1573
01:14:10,293 --> 01:14:13,012
Speaker 18: are quite happy to do that, and a good point

1574
01:14:13,612 --> 01:14:16,333
Speaker 18: something like that, Yeah, we're spending all of our money

1575
01:14:16,532 --> 01:14:20,372
Speaker 18: apart from the bartab has spent in New Zealand.

1576
01:14:21,372 --> 01:14:22,732
Speaker 3: I mean, I know. I did a little bit of

1577
01:14:22,772 --> 01:14:26,612
Speaker 3: work for a tourism outfit a few years ago, Ellen,

1578
01:14:26,652 --> 01:14:30,652
Speaker 3: and one of the issues was that they all compete

1579
01:14:30,692 --> 01:14:33,173
Speaker 3: with each other, and I always thought that was, you know,

1580
01:14:33,333 --> 01:14:35,692
Speaker 3: a bit self defeating, because that's what happens exactly. What

1581
01:14:35,772 --> 01:14:37,892
Speaker 3: you say is that these tourists come in, they don't

1582
01:14:37,933 --> 01:14:39,492
Speaker 3: know too much about it, and then they kind of

1583
01:14:39,612 --> 01:14:42,213
Speaker 3: travel to as many places as they can get and

1584
01:14:42,333 --> 01:14:44,133
Speaker 3: only stay there for a couple of hours. I just

1585
01:14:44,213 --> 01:14:46,333
Speaker 3: thought there needed to be some sort of central hub

1586
01:14:46,772 --> 01:14:50,572
Speaker 3: to try and encourage tourists on on tours that are

1587
01:14:50,572 --> 01:14:53,053
Speaker 3: actually going to be beneficial for our economy. But it's

1588
01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:54,652
Speaker 3: not that easy, you know. There is a lot of

1589
01:14:54,692 --> 01:14:56,893
Speaker 3: discussion and tourism circles about how best to do that,

1590
01:14:57,053 --> 01:14:58,452
Speaker 3: but they do all compete with each other.

1591
01:14:59,452 --> 01:15:02,732
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean there's a movement in

1592
01:15:02,812 --> 01:15:05,333
Speaker 18: Europe that started in Europe called slow travel, and all

1593
01:15:05,412 --> 01:15:09,652
Speaker 18: it does is encourage people to spend three or four

1594
01:15:09,732 --> 01:15:12,133
Speaker 18: days in a place instead of five hours.

1595
01:15:12,253 --> 01:15:12,492
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1596
01:15:12,692 --> 01:15:15,972
Speaker 18: Yeah, so we need to encourage that sort of thinking.

1597
01:15:16,173 --> 01:15:18,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you, Ellen, Thank great caller, Thank you

1598
01:15:18,452 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 3: very much. Right, I got to play some messages, but

1599
01:15:20,372 --> 01:15:22,253
Speaker 3: we're going to come back very shortly. Plenty of texts

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01:15:22,253 --> 01:15:23,892
Speaker 3: as well, but oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1601
01:15:24,053 --> 01:15:28,372
Speaker 3: is the number to call. Seven to three, the.

1602
01:15:28,452 --> 01:15:31,012
Speaker 1: Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along

1603
01:15:31,053 --> 01:15:35,572
Speaker 1: the way, mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used TALKSB.

1604
01:15:36,492 --> 01:15:38,692
Speaker 3: News talks THEREB. It is four to three. We are

1605
01:15:38,732 --> 01:15:40,572
Speaker 3: going to carry this on after three o'clock. So I'd

1606
01:15:40,572 --> 01:15:41,852
Speaker 3: love to hear from you on oh eight hundred and

1607
01:15:41,853 --> 01:15:43,372
Speaker 3: eighty teen eighty. Have you been to some of these

1608
01:15:43,452 --> 01:15:47,812
Speaker 3: tourists hotspots in Southern Europe and Barcelona and Portugal and Italy,

1609
01:15:47,973 --> 01:15:51,612
Speaker 3: the Louver. The locals are freaking out. They are over

1610
01:15:51,812 --> 01:15:54,333
Speaker 3: the mass tourism and they are revolting against it. So

1611
01:15:54,372 --> 01:15:56,053
Speaker 3: if you've been to those places, love to hear from you.

1612
01:15:56,412 --> 01:15:59,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at how many two, how many tourists?

1613
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:01,532
Speaker 2: Too many tourists in New Zealand as well, because we're

1614
01:16:01,532 --> 01:16:03,253
Speaker 2: only sitting at eighty percent right now, so we're not

1615
01:16:03,333 --> 01:16:05,532
Speaker 2: protesting about the too many tourists at the moment in

1616
01:16:05,572 --> 01:16:09,452
Speaker 2: New Zealand. No, but just finally, I was thinking about

1617
01:16:09,452 --> 01:16:12,333
Speaker 2: opening an Italian restaurant which only served spaghetti on toast

1618
01:16:12,572 --> 01:16:17,012
Speaker 2: and spaghetti specials and spaghetti toasties.

1619
01:16:17,213 --> 01:16:17,412
Speaker 9: Yep.

1620
01:16:17,532 --> 01:16:19,412
Speaker 2: And someone Steve here is you said, I call it

1621
01:16:19,772 --> 01:16:23,692
Speaker 2: itally Italian. No, you know Italian.

1622
01:16:23,812 --> 01:16:26,372
Speaker 3: No, it's very good from Steve. I love the name,

1623
01:16:26,532 --> 01:16:28,093
Speaker 3: but I think your theme has got some work to

1624
01:16:28,133 --> 01:16:29,893
Speaker 3: do on it. I just don't know about the APPEALSS

1625
01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:34,173
Speaker 3: Spaghetti on toast spaghetti restaurant. Let's go at nine two

1626
01:16:34,253 --> 01:16:36,452
Speaker 3: ninety two. If you'd go write New Sport and weather

1627
01:16:36,692 --> 01:16:38,852
Speaker 3: on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler, Very

1628
01:16:38,893 --> 01:16:39,692
Speaker 3: good afternoon to you.

1629
01:16:45,692 --> 01:16:49,972
Speaker 1: Your new home for Instateful and Entertaining Talk. It's Mattie

1630
01:16:50,253 --> 01:16:53,532
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1631
01:16:53,452 --> 01:16:57,132
Speaker 3: Sebby afternoon to you, welcome back into the show. Sievan

1632
01:16:57,213 --> 01:16:59,013
Speaker 3: passed through. Great to have your company is always and

1633
01:16:59,093 --> 01:17:02,492
Speaker 3: have an a fascinating chad about protests on mass tourism

1634
01:17:02,612 --> 01:17:03,372
Speaker 3: in southern Europe.

1635
01:17:03,532 --> 01:17:06,133
Speaker 2: What's happening after three thirty Tyler Adams.

1636
01:17:05,893 --> 01:17:09,372
Speaker 3: Wow, let me tell you, Matt Heath. Gareth Abden employment

1637
01:17:09,452 --> 01:17:12,372
Speaker 3: law expert. He's from Abden or Law, wildly popular on

1638
01:17:12,492 --> 01:17:14,852
Speaker 3: this show just in general life. I think actually Gareth

1639
01:17:14,893 --> 01:17:17,612
Speaker 3: great New Zealander, Great New Zealander. He'll be taking your

1640
01:17:17,933 --> 01:17:20,013
Speaker 3: questions and calls, not you, Matt Heath. If you've got

1641
01:17:20,053 --> 01:17:21,852
Speaker 3: a question you can ask Gareth of course, but you

1642
01:17:22,053 --> 01:17:24,333
Speaker 3: our dear listeners, this is your chance to have a

1643
01:17:24,412 --> 01:17:28,052
Speaker 3: chat to Gareth and it it always is extremely popular,

1644
01:17:28,532 --> 01:17:30,013
Speaker 3: so it pays to get in early. We've already had

1645
01:17:30,013 --> 01:17:30,852
Speaker 3: a few texts come through.

1646
01:17:31,093 --> 01:17:33,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, so e one hundred and eighty ten eighty after

1647
01:17:33,452 --> 01:17:35,412
Speaker 2: three point thirty for that. Right now though, we're talking

1648
01:17:35,492 --> 01:17:39,692
Speaker 2: about tourism because there's protests in Europe, because there's just

1649
01:17:39,853 --> 01:17:44,013
Speaker 2: ter many tourists in Bathalona and Paris. The Louver has

1650
01:17:44,053 --> 01:17:48,013
Speaker 2: been shut down, not because of a terrorist threat or

1651
01:17:48,133 --> 01:17:52,932
Speaker 2: any kind of civil emergency, but just too many tourists

1652
01:17:52,973 --> 01:17:53,732
Speaker 2: trying to get in there.

1653
01:17:54,053 --> 01:17:56,052
Speaker 3: Staff is striking saying it's too crowded.

1654
01:17:56,253 --> 01:17:58,412
Speaker 2: So we're talking about have you been to Europe recently

1655
01:17:58,853 --> 01:18:01,372
Speaker 2: and found it too crowded? And how many is too

1656
01:18:01,452 --> 01:18:04,852
Speaker 2: many tourists? In New Zealand, plenty of texts coming through

1657
01:18:05,133 --> 01:18:07,933
Speaker 2: housing and Wonica is going gangbusters but still filling up

1658
01:18:07,973 --> 01:18:10,812
Speaker 2: with owner and right players. A lot of the people

1659
01:18:10,893 --> 01:18:14,372
Speaker 2: are working from home entrepreneurs. Not much accommodation for working travelers,

1660
01:18:14,612 --> 01:18:17,333
Speaker 2: which is what we need as people can live remotely.

1661
01:18:17,412 --> 01:18:20,572
Speaker 2: But once the building slows down, the traders will move out.

1662
01:18:20,692 --> 01:18:23,213
Speaker 2: Trades will move out and there should be loads. It's

1663
01:18:23,293 --> 01:18:26,612
Speaker 2: gonna take time for us not to want travelers now,

1664
01:18:26,772 --> 01:18:29,372
Speaker 2: but later on that's what these places are going to

1665
01:18:29,452 --> 01:18:31,932
Speaker 2: have to rely on. Yeah, I mean that's a very

1666
01:18:31,933 --> 01:18:34,492
Speaker 2: good point. You know, before COVID we're always saying there

1667
01:18:34,572 --> 01:18:36,452
Speaker 2: was too many tourists, and now as the economy is

1668
01:18:36,492 --> 01:18:38,452
Speaker 2: having a few speed bumps, we're saying bring it back.

1669
01:18:38,612 --> 01:18:38,772
Speaker 9: Yep.

1670
01:18:39,572 --> 01:18:42,372
Speaker 3: This Texas there is things fellas one man's trip is

1671
01:18:42,412 --> 01:18:43,293
Speaker 3: another's night.

1672
01:18:43,372 --> 01:18:43,532
Speaker 13: Mere.

1673
01:18:43,612 --> 01:18:46,452
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be so judgy. I spend a fortune on holidays.

1674
01:18:46,452 --> 01:18:49,133
Speaker 3: I'm sure when I was in Buffalona spending a fortune

1675
01:18:49,213 --> 01:18:53,812
Speaker 3: on my hotel, they would still hate me. I can't

1676
01:18:53,853 --> 01:18:56,093
Speaker 3: stop peeps coming and how they wish to have a

1677
01:18:56,213 --> 01:18:57,253
Speaker 3: nice time as up to them.

1678
01:18:58,213 --> 01:19:00,732
Speaker 2: Hi, Matt, where does the person who said they get

1679
01:19:00,772 --> 01:19:04,093
Speaker 2: on the bus and off and don't spend their money

1680
01:19:04,253 --> 01:19:07,372
Speaker 2: does he think they bring their own meals, they pay

1681
01:19:07,452 --> 01:19:09,652
Speaker 2: for their meals when they purchase the tour just because

1682
01:19:09,652 --> 01:19:13,372
Speaker 2: they don't use expensive restaurants, they eat somewhere else otherwise

1683
01:19:13,532 --> 01:19:16,532
Speaker 2: would be starving. Says Given. Yeah, I mean that was

1684
01:19:16,652 --> 01:19:18,972
Speaker 2: just the call that the type of tourists we don't want,

1685
01:19:19,253 --> 01:19:21,213
Speaker 2: according to a caller, was the ones that get on

1686
01:19:21,253 --> 01:19:23,452
Speaker 2: a tour bus and do the country in three days

1687
01:19:24,093 --> 01:19:27,972
Speaker 2: and stop off at a few tourist souvenir shops, get

1688
01:19:28,013 --> 01:19:30,133
Speaker 2: ripped off and leave the country. But I think his

1689
01:19:30,293 --> 01:19:32,253
Speaker 2: point was more that we want people to stay for

1690
01:19:32,333 --> 01:19:34,013
Speaker 2: a long period of time if they're here, and go

1691
01:19:34,253 --> 01:19:37,612
Speaker 2: off trail and see more of our country and spread around,

1692
01:19:37,732 --> 01:19:40,772
Speaker 2: rather than just blasting the three tourist spots and getting

1693
01:19:40,812 --> 01:19:41,173
Speaker 2: out of there.

1694
01:19:41,372 --> 01:19:43,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And to be fair, I know there was

1695
01:19:44,053 --> 01:19:48,612
Speaker 3: some pushback against the backpacker type tourists from scott or

1696
01:19:48,652 --> 01:19:51,293
Speaker 3: the freedom campers to be fear to Scott But those

1697
01:19:51,412 --> 01:19:53,253
Speaker 3: are the sort of tourists that stay here for a

1698
01:19:53,293 --> 01:19:56,012
Speaker 3: considerable amount of time and they may not spend money

1699
01:19:56,333 --> 01:19:59,372
Speaker 3: at nice Italian restaurants or even your own Italian restaurant, man,

1700
01:19:59,933 --> 01:20:03,012
Speaker 3: but what they do spend money on is the adventure

1701
01:20:03,053 --> 01:20:06,213
Speaker 3: tourism outfit, So the bungee jumping, the jet bow team,

1702
01:20:06,412 --> 01:20:09,772
Speaker 3: the hiking trips, even a chicky helicopter trip.

1703
01:20:09,893 --> 01:20:11,812
Speaker 2: That's where we really fleece the tourists.

1704
01:20:11,893 --> 01:20:13,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where we really get.

1705
01:20:13,772 --> 01:20:15,973
Speaker 2: Some money out of them. Had a can of what

1706
01:20:16,133 --> 01:20:19,572
Speaker 2: is spaghetti on Molenberg toast for lunch day? Pretty satisfying,

1707
01:20:19,893 --> 01:20:22,892
Speaker 2: I have to say, tasty, cheap and very few dishes.

1708
01:20:23,013 --> 01:20:24,812
Speaker 2: That's from gregt on Great New Zealander.

1709
01:20:24,853 --> 01:20:25,053
Speaker 1: That one.

1710
01:20:25,253 --> 01:20:27,732
Speaker 2: That's that's part of my initiative to start a restaurant

1711
01:20:27,772 --> 01:20:32,933
Speaker 2: called Italian No where we just serve Kiwi takes on

1712
01:20:33,053 --> 01:20:35,972
Speaker 2: Italian food such as spaghetti on toast with an insane

1713
01:20:35,973 --> 01:20:37,652
Speaker 2: amount of cheese out grated cheese on top.

1714
01:20:37,732 --> 01:20:40,893
Speaker 3: You've popped Gregin. OH one hundred eighteen eighty is the

1715
01:20:41,133 --> 01:20:43,333
Speaker 3: number to call. We're going to play some messages but

1716
01:20:43,452 --> 01:20:45,532
Speaker 3: full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying. It

1717
01:20:45,732 --> 01:20:50,213
Speaker 3: is eleven past three, good afternoon. Oh one hundred eighteen

1718
01:20:50,253 --> 01:20:51,972
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. And we are talking

1719
01:20:52,013 --> 01:20:53,772
Speaker 3: about mass tourism. If you've been to some of the

1720
01:20:53,812 --> 01:20:56,253
Speaker 3: hot spots in Europe, what was it like? Did you

1721
01:20:56,293 --> 01:20:58,852
Speaker 3: get a better hate from the locals? Nine to nine

1722
01:20:58,893 --> 01:20:59,972
Speaker 3: tour is a text number as well.

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01:21:00,612 --> 01:21:02,333
Speaker 2: No, welcome to the show. You've been in Italy.

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01:21:04,492 --> 01:21:08,213
Speaker 6: Much of the key here killed us. Yeah, we are

1725
01:21:08,412 --> 01:21:12,732
Speaker 6: with you for the at anniversary of the liberation of Italy.

1726
01:21:13,372 --> 01:21:17,652
Speaker 6: While I was part of the Margaichardian sort of regroup

1727
01:21:18,173 --> 01:21:21,253
Speaker 6: with the last of the campaigns in the Italian campaign

1728
01:21:21,372 --> 01:21:24,173
Speaker 6: in the northern region and I liberated. So there was

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01:21:24,173 --> 01:21:26,892
Speaker 6: actually three people who still remember the market Wich Italian

1730
01:21:26,933 --> 01:21:29,412
Speaker 6: being here and we were treated a special guests where

1731
01:21:29,732 --> 01:21:32,452
Speaker 6: we were really blessed to be fair, had a great

1732
01:21:32,492 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 6: time over there. So on the twenty third of April,

1733
01:21:35,853 --> 01:21:39,013
Speaker 6: throats of the fifteenth of May, we were over there

1734
01:21:39,253 --> 01:21:42,013
Speaker 6: and we did we did the first four days and

1735
01:21:42,213 --> 01:21:48,172
Speaker 6: Faienza poory, very regional, lovely people still remember the Kiwis

1736
01:21:48,213 --> 01:21:50,612
Speaker 6: of New Zealand. And then he went to the big cities.

1737
01:21:50,652 --> 01:21:56,932
Speaker 6: We did our Fenzi, we did our CC, we did Venice, Venetia,

1738
01:21:57,732 --> 01:22:01,133
Speaker 6: and then ended up in Aroma. Did a cruise at

1739
01:22:01,213 --> 01:22:05,293
Speaker 6: Aroma seven days. I was pretty followed and picked up

1740
01:22:05,293 --> 01:22:06,612
Speaker 6: a few things in the local year.

1741
01:22:06,772 --> 01:22:07,892
Speaker 3: What a great trip.

1742
01:22:08,452 --> 01:22:11,013
Speaker 2: Did you find it overcrowded and the and the likes

1743
01:22:11,053 --> 01:22:13,052
Speaker 2: of Venice when you went to the big hot spots.

1744
01:22:14,013 --> 01:22:16,852
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was pretty follow on. I noticed probably more

1745
01:22:16,893 --> 01:22:23,372
Speaker 6: on the cruise ship when we had Barcelona, by York

1746
01:22:23,412 --> 01:22:26,572
Speaker 6: and those places, and definitely Pisa. And so you've got

1747
01:22:26,652 --> 01:22:30,253
Speaker 6: four cruise ships it with around about five thousands of each.

1748
01:22:31,253 --> 01:22:36,412
Speaker 6: It's pretty pretty hectic. And it was probably when we

1749
01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:38,812
Speaker 6: were we were in Orita, I dd to say I

1750
01:22:38,933 --> 01:22:41,732
Speaker 6: pushed a big out for the big up for the

1751
01:22:41,853 --> 01:22:44,213
Speaker 6: Florentine steak made You've got trouble.

1752
01:22:44,812 --> 01:22:48,053
Speaker 13: They're special Florentine steak, Florentine.

1753
01:22:47,692 --> 01:22:51,532
Speaker 6: Steak and a cheap but it's like eighty pounds eighty

1754
01:22:51,652 --> 01:22:54,813
Speaker 6: years each and special. Very disappointed.

1755
01:22:54,853 --> 01:22:57,013
Speaker 2: What's special about that? How do they do it?

1756
01:22:57,253 --> 01:22:58,893
Speaker 6: Just the meat and the way that they kind of

1757
01:22:58,973 --> 01:23:00,652
Speaker 6: grow it and the taste in the flavor and they

1758
01:23:00,692 --> 01:23:02,893
Speaker 6: cook it and it kind of seems like red in

1759
01:23:02,973 --> 01:23:05,652
Speaker 6: the middle. I'm really red, but it's just it just

1760
01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:06,492
Speaker 6: melts in the mouth.

1761
01:23:06,652 --> 01:23:08,893
Speaker 2: I've made a steak like it better than spaghetti on

1762
01:23:08,933 --> 01:23:10,412
Speaker 2: toast with a lot of grain cheese.

1763
01:23:11,492 --> 01:23:13,452
Speaker 6: When I got in the CHRISTI my first meal was

1764
01:23:13,492 --> 01:23:20,293
Speaker 6: a it was a shepherd's ploy. We did come across

1765
01:23:20,452 --> 01:23:23,133
Speaker 6: that kind of feeling of tourism. So when we were

1766
01:23:23,213 --> 01:23:26,213
Speaker 6: in the clients, we made the mistake of we there

1767
01:23:26,372 --> 01:23:28,372
Speaker 6: six of us at one time, because it were thirteen

1768
01:23:28,412 --> 01:23:30,772
Speaker 6: all up. But six of us has gone gone around

1769
01:23:31,013 --> 01:23:33,452
Speaker 6: the areas, and wonderful, you're going to get it early

1770
01:23:34,093 --> 01:23:36,093
Speaker 6: to go somebody, you go earlier in the morning. So

1771
01:23:36,173 --> 01:23:38,452
Speaker 6: it gets place as the three the fountain, the steps

1772
01:23:38,492 --> 01:23:42,532
Speaker 6: down to the three coins and not down to that

1773
01:23:42,692 --> 01:23:46,812
Speaker 6: famous of course, and it's we got the if you

1774
01:23:46,893 --> 01:23:49,612
Speaker 6: got the earlier front. If it didn't or you were

1775
01:23:50,053 --> 01:23:52,333
Speaker 6: you know, you were in a big que Yeah. Were

1776
01:23:52,853 --> 01:23:55,652
Speaker 6: the pope passed away and when he got named and

1777
01:23:55,732 --> 01:23:58,772
Speaker 6: we were in enrollment. When that got that quarter past

1778
01:23:58,812 --> 01:24:02,852
Speaker 6: trol without to do the bells started to room. But

1779
01:24:03,013 --> 01:24:04,812
Speaker 6: the one thing we have. We were on the jump

1780
01:24:04,893 --> 01:24:06,452
Speaker 6: on the bus. We tried to pay our money to

1781
01:24:06,572 --> 01:24:10,213
Speaker 6: the bus driver as a try uh to give them

1782
01:24:10,213 --> 01:24:11,732
Speaker 6: the pull into. He says no, no, no, no, and

1783
01:24:12,412 --> 01:24:14,772
Speaker 6: he pushed it down the back. Say there was only

1784
01:24:14,973 --> 01:24:18,213
Speaker 6: a machine here which if produced my wife's card it

1785
01:24:18,213 --> 01:24:20,372
Speaker 6: would have been fine, but we didn't. That was what

1786
01:24:20,572 --> 01:24:23,772
Speaker 6: two us and we got an inspector pulled up, jumped

1787
01:24:23,772 --> 01:24:26,692
Speaker 6: on the bus halfway share a trip and then said

1788
01:24:26,772 --> 01:24:27,412
Speaker 6: just where you ticket?

1789
01:24:27,452 --> 01:24:27,892
Speaker 15: We told him.

1790
01:24:27,933 --> 01:24:30,213
Speaker 6: He says, oh no, you're fine. Can I see your

1791
01:24:30,213 --> 01:24:32,492
Speaker 6: ID place? So they take your idea office that they

1792
01:24:32,532 --> 01:24:32,933
Speaker 6: have got you.

1793
01:24:33,492 --> 01:24:33,852
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1794
01:24:33,933 --> 01:24:36,133
Speaker 6: So they made us get off the bus and then

1795
01:24:36,213 --> 01:24:39,492
Speaker 6: they just basically said in the most plied you know anyway,

1796
01:24:39,853 --> 01:24:42,572
Speaker 6: it's a forty six a year fine. So I said,

1797
01:24:42,652 --> 01:24:45,173
Speaker 6: oh you know, I've got local pending on not doing

1798
01:24:45,173 --> 01:24:48,093
Speaker 6: if we don't say, I sat down to con escalade things.

1799
01:24:48,173 --> 01:24:50,972
Speaker 6: But and then one nay ladies would and he's trying

1800
01:24:50,973 --> 01:24:53,093
Speaker 6: to take us in. She just went off. You try

1801
01:24:53,133 --> 01:24:55,572
Speaker 6: to you come to count, you you expect take your money,

1802
01:24:55,612 --> 01:24:58,093
Speaker 6: you go free, you walk around, You'll walk around as

1803
01:24:58,133 --> 01:24:59,052
Speaker 6: if you're on the parish.

1804
01:24:59,173 --> 01:24:59,612
Speaker 9: Go faith.

1805
01:25:00,652 --> 01:25:03,652
Speaker 6: Oh wow, what that happened one of my by the members,

1806
01:25:03,692 --> 01:25:05,732
Speaker 6: you up to say, hey, my grandfather was here with

1807
01:25:05,853 --> 01:25:07,612
Speaker 6: those eighty years ago. Your freegie buggers.

1808
01:25:07,732 --> 01:25:08,573
Speaker 4: Let's started.

1809
01:25:11,253 --> 01:25:11,772
Speaker 2: Come back.

1810
01:25:13,732 --> 01:25:17,973
Speaker 6: Great looking around. They got the policia, yeah, army, the

1811
01:25:18,053 --> 01:25:23,253
Speaker 6: Camaradi so like, and well one whistle you'd be as luck.

1812
01:25:25,053 --> 01:25:27,452
Speaker 6: So we just said to smile and pray the fire.

1813
01:25:27,812 --> 01:25:29,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call.

1814
01:25:29,893 --> 01:25:31,852
Speaker 3: I want to go on holiday with you. That's so

1815
01:25:32,253 --> 01:25:34,333
Speaker 3: fantastic trip. What a good toorist.

1816
01:25:34,492 --> 01:25:36,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, well being there when the pope passed away would

1817
01:25:36,333 --> 01:25:40,093
Speaker 2: be interesting. Yeah, so yeah, what a great chat. Sounds like,

1818
01:25:40,293 --> 01:25:41,812
Speaker 2: you know, it sounds like it's not too bad over there,

1819
01:25:41,853 --> 01:25:43,412
Speaker 2: and that's that's pretty prime time, isn't it when he

1820
01:25:43,492 --> 01:25:43,892
Speaker 2: was over there?

1821
01:25:43,973 --> 01:25:44,093
Speaker 4: Ye?

1822
01:25:44,213 --> 01:25:46,213
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And there's quite a few ticks coming about this

1823
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:48,932
Speaker 3: Italian restaurant that you want to get started, man.

1824
01:25:49,013 --> 01:25:54,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Italian are no great menu spaghetti, pizza,

1825
01:25:55,612 --> 01:25:58,732
Speaker 2: ham and Colby cheese on toothpicks, stuck in a lemon

1826
01:25:59,532 --> 01:26:04,412
Speaker 2: that's pishetto and melon ry beena instead of kiante, diamond rass,

1827
01:26:04,532 --> 01:26:08,572
Speaker 2: risotto and spaghetti on toast. That's that's all be on

1828
01:26:08,652 --> 01:26:11,213
Speaker 2: the menu. According to this texture for a new restaurant,

1829
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:15,333
Speaker 2: looking for investors in this Italiano restaurant, which is the

1830
01:26:15,412 --> 01:26:16,812
Speaker 2: key we approach to Italian food.

1831
01:26:16,812 --> 01:26:19,253
Speaker 3: If you do that, Italy will declare war on New Zealand.

1832
01:26:19,293 --> 01:26:22,372
Speaker 3: They will not take kindly to that great discussion. Thank

1833
01:26:22,412 --> 01:26:25,772
Speaker 3: you very much. Right, coming up a big day for

1834
01:26:26,013 --> 01:26:28,852
Speaker 3: Bew Canson New Zealand and for Radio Hodichy Day in

1835
01:26:28,973 --> 01:26:31,333
Speaker 3: lou It has been under way six six since six

1836
01:26:31,412 --> 01:26:34,132
Speaker 3: am raising money for a fantastic charity.

1837
01:26:34,572 --> 01:26:38,173
Speaker 2: Absolutely and look beal cancer in New Zealand doesn't get

1838
01:26:38,173 --> 01:26:41,172
Speaker 2: as much attention as it should and as much respect

1839
01:26:41,213 --> 01:26:43,013
Speaker 2: as it deserves. So well we'll just share some of

1840
01:26:43,013 --> 01:26:44,492
Speaker 2: the symptoms you need to look out for and how

1841
01:26:44,572 --> 01:26:47,133
Speaker 2: you can maybe help out a little bit with Balcanson

1842
01:26:47,133 --> 01:26:47,612
Speaker 2: New Zealand.

1843
01:26:47,692 --> 01:26:49,732
Speaker 3: Yep, that's coming up. It is twenty past three.

1844
01:26:54,013 --> 01:26:57,412
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1845
01:26:57,452 --> 01:27:00,372
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk zby afternoon.

1846
01:27:00,492 --> 01:27:03,293
Speaker 3: Just a heads up. Gareth abden Or he is standing by.

1847
01:27:03,532 --> 01:27:06,173
Speaker 3: We're going to cross to him in about eight minutes time.

1848
01:27:06,213 --> 01:27:09,372
Speaker 3: He's an employment workplace information expert and director of Abdenal

1849
01:27:09,492 --> 01:27:12,372
Speaker 3: Employment Law. He's brilliant. He joins us once a month

1850
01:27:12,973 --> 01:27:15,652
Speaker 3: as part about Us Asked the Experts series. So here

1851
01:27:15,692 --> 01:27:17,452
Speaker 3: we take in your calls and questions. You've got a

1852
01:27:17,452 --> 01:27:19,093
Speaker 3: problem in the workplace, He's the man to chat to.

1853
01:27:19,532 --> 01:27:21,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, But right now, there's a day in lou happening

1854
01:27:22,013 --> 01:27:24,933
Speaker 2: at Eden Park where a bunch of sports people and

1855
01:27:25,013 --> 01:27:28,652
Speaker 2: radio personalities are getting together to raise awareness and money

1856
01:27:28,692 --> 01:27:30,012
Speaker 2: for Beal Cancer New Zealand.

1857
01:27:30,732 --> 01:27:30,772
Speaker 16: And.

1858
01:27:30,853 --> 01:27:32,492
Speaker 2: Look, this is a charity that doesn't get nearly as

1859
01:27:32,572 --> 01:27:35,333
Speaker 2: much attention, money and respect as it deserves. Might be

1860
01:27:35,372 --> 01:27:37,173
Speaker 2: because people don't like to think too much about that

1861
01:27:37,372 --> 01:27:39,333
Speaker 2: sort of mucky part of the body that connects their

1862
01:27:39,372 --> 01:27:42,093
Speaker 2: stomach and their butt. But we really should focus on

1863
01:27:42,173 --> 01:27:44,333
Speaker 2: this area more. New Zealand is one of the highest

1864
01:27:44,372 --> 01:27:46,173
Speaker 2: rates of bell cancer in the world. More than three

1865
01:27:46,253 --> 01:27:48,933
Speaker 2: thousand people are diagnosed with the disease each year in

1866
01:27:49,053 --> 01:27:51,772
Speaker 2: our country and over twelve hundred die. So it's a

1867
01:27:51,893 --> 01:27:54,013
Speaker 2: huge issue and the good people at Bell Cancer New

1868
01:27:54,093 --> 01:27:55,973
Speaker 2: Zealand need all the help they can get because they

1869
01:27:56,013 --> 01:27:59,452
Speaker 2: don't get any money from the government. They are just

1870
01:27:59,812 --> 01:28:03,652
Speaker 2: dependent on your donations and donations from corporates. So you

1871
01:28:03,772 --> 01:28:06,532
Speaker 2: can donate by texting Lou two.

1872
01:28:06,772 --> 01:28:09,732
Speaker 3: Three seven seven nine. That makes an instant three dollar

1873
01:28:09,853 --> 01:28:12,532
Speaker 3: donation and makes the world a difference for Bell Cancer

1874
01:28:12,612 --> 01:28:15,093
Speaker 3: New Zealand to help them do what they need to do.

1875
01:28:15,213 --> 01:28:17,772
Speaker 3: Fantastic charity and as you say, Matt, an incredibly big

1876
01:28:17,853 --> 01:28:19,852
Speaker 3: issue here in New Zealand and they are doing some

1877
01:28:19,973 --> 01:28:20,692
Speaker 3: fantastic work.

1878
01:28:20,933 --> 01:28:21,093
Speaker 1: Now.

1879
01:28:21,452 --> 01:28:23,293
Speaker 2: We were trying to get him on the line to

1880
01:28:23,612 --> 01:28:27,492
Speaker 2: discuss this. Die Henwood who has stage four be cancer

1881
01:28:28,013 --> 01:28:30,372
Speaker 2: and you know he's battling away. I saw him this

1882
01:28:30,492 --> 01:28:32,732
Speaker 2: morning and he's in a window of feeling quite well,

1883
01:28:32,772 --> 01:28:35,293
Speaker 2: which is wonderful to see. But he said something on

1884
01:28:35,372 --> 01:28:37,333
Speaker 2: stage last year when I did This Day in Lou

1885
01:28:37,893 --> 01:28:41,173
Speaker 2: twelve Hours broadcasting for Bell Cancer, he said something on

1886
01:28:41,213 --> 01:28:43,173
Speaker 2: stage I thought I'd read out, yeah, because I thought

1887
01:28:43,173 --> 01:28:45,572
Speaker 2: it was such a fantastic message from someone that's a

1888
01:28:45,612 --> 01:28:49,052
Speaker 2: great New Zealander that's suffering from this disease. He said,

1889
01:28:49,093 --> 01:28:52,293
Speaker 2: to anyone who has received a sad diagnosis, don't sign off, mate.

1890
01:28:52,532 --> 01:28:55,333
Speaker 2: You're living with cancer, not dying. There is plenty of life.

1891
01:28:55,452 --> 01:28:57,972
Speaker 2: Every moment is something. Every day you are taking a breath,

1892
01:28:58,053 --> 01:29:00,053
Speaker 2: having a smile, spending time with the people you love.

1893
01:29:00,173 --> 01:29:02,452
Speaker 2: You are living and it's actually the same for everyone,

1894
01:29:02,732 --> 01:29:05,532
Speaker 2: sick or not. Please just enjoy what you have while

1895
01:29:05,612 --> 01:29:07,692
Speaker 2: you have it with the people you love. We all

1896
01:29:07,772 --> 01:29:11,532
Speaker 2: have some life to live. Fantastic words. Yeah, from a

1897
01:29:11,612 --> 01:29:14,093
Speaker 2: great man, Die Henwood. But what's that number again?

1898
01:29:14,532 --> 01:29:18,053
Speaker 3: It is Lou takes lou to three seven seven nine

1899
01:29:18,612 --> 01:29:20,532
Speaker 3: and that makes an instant three buck donation.

1900
01:29:20,853 --> 01:29:21,053
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1901
01:29:21,133 --> 01:29:23,852
Speaker 2: But Bell Canson New Zealand's not just about the donations today.

1902
01:29:23,853 --> 01:29:26,692
Speaker 2: They want to get the message out there and that's

1903
01:29:26,732 --> 01:29:29,133
Speaker 2: the five key symptoms of bell cancer to watch out for.

1904
01:29:29,293 --> 01:29:33,412
Speaker 2: They are a persistent change in bowel habit, going more often,

1905
01:29:33,532 --> 01:29:36,892
Speaker 2: looser stools or constipation, bleeding from the bottom or blood

1906
01:29:36,933 --> 01:29:40,972
Speaker 2: in the stool, abdominal pain, bloating or cramping especially after eating,

1907
01:29:41,133 --> 01:29:44,772
Speaker 2: unexplained weight loss, and feeling very tired without a clear reason.

1908
01:29:44,812 --> 01:29:48,812
Speaker 2: If you're experiencing any of these symptoms, then you know

1909
01:29:49,452 --> 01:29:52,372
Speaker 2: contact your GP. Don't delay seeking help even if the

1910
01:29:52,412 --> 01:29:55,652
Speaker 2: symptoms seem to come and go, And as the saying goes,

1911
01:29:55,692 --> 01:29:57,612
Speaker 2: don't die of embarrassment. If you think you've got one

1912
01:29:57,612 --> 01:30:00,213
Speaker 2: of your symptoms, then going to the doctor and finding

1913
01:30:00,213 --> 01:30:02,053
Speaker 2: out you don't is a good result. A lot of

1914
01:30:02,213 --> 01:30:05,053
Speaker 2: Kiwi's feel like they're wasting people's time by going to

1915
01:30:05,372 --> 01:30:07,692
Speaker 2: the doctor. But you're not that you want to find

1916
01:30:07,692 --> 01:30:10,492
Speaker 2: out that you don't have it. And look, if it

1917
01:30:10,652 --> 01:30:13,973
Speaker 2: can be detected early, then then you have, you know,

1918
01:30:14,053 --> 01:30:16,572
Speaker 2: the best chance in the world of it being sorted

1919
01:30:16,612 --> 01:30:17,293
Speaker 2: out in time.

1920
01:30:17,492 --> 01:30:18,293
Speaker 3: Beautifully said.

1921
01:30:18,812 --> 01:30:25,972
Speaker 2: Now, always looking for catchy ways to get this these

1922
01:30:25,973 --> 01:30:28,772
Speaker 2: symptoms out there into the community. And and and because

1923
01:30:28,812 --> 01:30:32,133
Speaker 2: it's based in this monkey area, as I say, that

1924
01:30:32,253 --> 01:30:38,093
Speaker 2: connects the connects your your butt to your colon, well

1925
01:30:38,133 --> 01:30:40,933
Speaker 2: your colon, it's a pretty pretty full on area. So

1926
01:30:41,053 --> 01:30:44,333
Speaker 2: there's a song that's been that's been adapted by Rudah

1927
01:30:44,333 --> 01:30:47,253
Speaker 2: from the radio Hurdeki Breakfast Genius. Yeah, he's a he's

1928
01:30:47,412 --> 01:30:49,652
Speaker 2: a great musician and he's adapted a song from a

1929
01:30:49,692 --> 01:30:53,132
Speaker 2: great Kiwi band called Deja Voodoo song called Today Tomorrow

1930
01:30:53,173 --> 01:30:56,013
Speaker 2: Timaru and he's adapted it to try and get that

1931
01:30:56,173 --> 01:30:59,812
Speaker 2: message out there for the symptoms for people to look

1932
01:30:59,853 --> 01:31:03,452
Speaker 2: out for. And and here it is now so so

1933
01:31:03,692 --> 01:31:06,852
Speaker 2: sing along. He performed it live at Eden Park just

1934
01:31:06,933 --> 01:31:07,572
Speaker 2: earlier today.

1935
01:31:10,973 --> 01:31:19,133
Speaker 23: Hard to talk about what's smelling your crown got Safita

1936
01:31:19,572 --> 01:31:20,852
Speaker 23: ab dumba old paint?

1937
01:31:21,093 --> 01:31:22,133
Speaker 1: Is it in to mint?

1938
01:31:22,253 --> 01:31:22,293
Speaker 16: It?

1939
01:31:22,532 --> 01:31:26,052
Speaker 23: Is your bow lum happy, Yeah, get your right away,

1940
01:31:26,973 --> 01:31:29,932
Speaker 23: got a knee me up, you up in your sauce

1941
01:31:30,372 --> 01:31:35,013
Speaker 23: RECTI bleeding out of your butt, mean bit tomorrow, get

1942
01:31:35,133 --> 01:31:38,572
Speaker 23: jacked down, but you might need to right now.

1943
01:31:39,013 --> 01:31:41,412
Speaker 24: Checking let lead in your.

1944
01:31:43,213 --> 01:31:44,572
Speaker 1: That's the thing to do.

1945
01:31:45,133 --> 01:31:50,692
Speaker 24: And it ain't consistent number two. That's the thing to you.

1946
01:31:54,253 --> 01:31:58,732
Speaker 22: Big coup a mass, big couple, lump, big cup, drunk changes,

1947
01:31:58,973 --> 01:32:02,452
Speaker 22: give your snow, say good back to some kgs to

1948
01:32:02,772 --> 01:32:05,532
Speaker 22: tidy each day and you don't know why.

1949
01:32:05,973 --> 01:32:08,013
Speaker 24: Checking dead, bleeding.

1950
01:32:07,812 --> 01:32:08,293
Speaker 4: In your.

1951
01:32:10,053 --> 01:32:16,173
Speaker 24: That's the thing to do. Yeah it consistent numbers, that's

1952
01:32:16,333 --> 01:32:17,213
Speaker 24: the thing to do.

1953
01:32:18,093 --> 01:32:22,973
Speaker 23: Actual bleeding, abdominal pain, shapes the bowel, motions, clumps and

1954
01:32:23,133 --> 01:32:27,293
Speaker 23: masses and devia tildless, unusual weight loss.

1955
01:32:27,772 --> 01:32:34,932
Speaker 24: No one is explanation. There we go, Shagu des yo.

1956
01:32:36,893 --> 01:32:41,612
Speaker 24: That's the thing. And at consistent number two.

1957
01:32:42,973 --> 01:32:49,772
Speaker 23: That's chickin death pleasing yoder, that's the thing.

1958
01:32:50,812 --> 01:32:53,732
Speaker 24: And ain't consistent numbers.

1959
01:32:54,853 --> 01:33:02,253
Speaker 2: That so good, good work, Bruder, that's the number, Tyler.

1960
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:05,732
Speaker 3: The number is three sevens three seven seven nine. Just

1961
01:33:05,853 --> 01:33:09,012
Speaker 3: takes lou and that makes an instant three dollar donation.

1962
01:33:09,612 --> 01:33:11,812
Speaker 3: Right coming up, we speak to Gareth Abden or twenty

1963
01:33:11,893 --> 01:33:12,732
Speaker 3: eight past three.

1964
01:33:15,612 --> 01:33:17,852
Speaker 1: US talks at the headlines.

1965
01:33:17,492 --> 01:33:20,892
Speaker 7: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1966
01:33:21,412 --> 01:33:24,293
Speaker 7: The five yearly census is being dumped from the next

1967
01:33:24,412 --> 01:33:28,612
Speaker 7: one in twenty thirty and statistical data will instead be

1968
01:33:28,732 --> 01:33:33,052
Speaker 7: gleaned from government departments alongside a much smaller yearly survey.

1969
01:33:33,572 --> 01:33:36,772
Speaker 7: Statsenzet say's work will be needed to improve data quantity

1970
01:33:37,093 --> 01:33:41,692
Speaker 7: and create sharing arrangements. The Associate Health Minister has announced

1971
01:33:41,732 --> 01:33:45,412
Speaker 7: sleeping aid and jet lag fighting drug melatonin will be

1972
01:33:45,452 --> 01:33:50,092
Speaker 7: available over the counter at Kiwi chemists. The Education Minister

1973
01:33:50,253 --> 01:33:54,933
Speaker 7: is promising cuts to government education scheme Kahui Arkor are

1974
01:33:55,013 --> 01:33:59,453
Speaker 7: being reinvested into a learning support boost. Minister Ericas Stanford

1975
01:33:59,652 --> 01:34:03,812
Speaker 7: says it didn't produce significant change. Police have delt a

1976
01:34:03,853 --> 01:34:07,092
Speaker 7: blow to the Bay of Plenty's Greasy Dogs gang, seizing

1977
01:34:07,173 --> 01:34:09,293
Speaker 7: more than one and a half mins dollars worth of

1978
01:34:09,412 --> 01:34:14,492
Speaker 7: assets interesting five men. Polis As, seventeen year old reported

1979
01:34:14,572 --> 01:34:17,692
Speaker 7: missing from Auckland's and North Shore, has been found safe

1980
01:34:18,772 --> 01:34:22,012
Speaker 7: and Irish citizen is one of Europe's biggest ever jackpot

1981
01:34:22,412 --> 01:34:27,333
Speaker 7: pocketing two hundred and fifty million euro. Richter scales and

1982
01:34:27,732 --> 01:34:31,812
Speaker 7: fishy Tales when a small earthquake spoiled ad day of phishing.

1983
01:34:32,213 --> 01:34:34,933
Speaker 7: See the story at ends at Herald Premium. Back to

1984
01:34:35,013 --> 01:34:36,333
Speaker 7: Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1985
01:34:36,532 --> 01:34:40,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty eight to four.

1986
01:34:40,372 --> 01:34:42,892
Speaker 3: As we always do on a Wednesday, Ask the Expert

1987
01:34:43,013 --> 01:34:47,052
Speaker 3: series and today back in studio. Gareth Abdenaor is an employment,

1988
01:34:47,133 --> 01:34:50,532
Speaker 3: workplace and information expert and director of Abdenor Law. He

1989
01:34:50,692 --> 01:34:53,933
Speaker 3: is taking all your questions, no matter how curly, on

1990
01:34:54,253 --> 01:34:57,053
Speaker 3: any issues you've got at your workplace. If you are

1991
01:34:57,093 --> 01:34:58,892
Speaker 3: the boss, if you're the worker, he is the man

1992
01:34:59,013 --> 01:35:03,133
Speaker 3: to chat to. Gareth. Mate, good to see you today, guys.

1993
01:35:03,452 --> 01:35:05,412
Speaker 3: And when I say see you, we I don't know

1994
01:35:05,412 --> 01:35:07,052
Speaker 3: why it took us so long to get this rolling.

1995
01:35:07,053 --> 01:35:09,412
Speaker 3: We've got our zoom of rational. You're down in the

1996
01:35:09,452 --> 01:35:12,013
Speaker 3: christ Church studio, my old studio, and it's good to

1997
01:35:12,053 --> 01:35:13,333
Speaker 3: actually see you mate. You looking well.

1998
01:35:13,973 --> 01:35:15,932
Speaker 11: Yeah, I want to know why you guys have got

1999
01:35:16,013 --> 01:35:19,812
Speaker 11: better lighting. This is just really reinforcing the old adage

2000
01:35:19,893 --> 01:35:21,572
Speaker 11: that I've got a face made for radio.

2001
01:35:22,333 --> 01:35:24,612
Speaker 3: Also, I'm just looking behind you, Gareth, and they've started

2002
01:35:24,652 --> 01:35:26,532
Speaker 3: taking away the tellies in the christ Church studio so

2003
01:35:26,612 --> 01:35:28,812
Speaker 3: I leave christ Church and all of a sudden, no

2004
01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:30,652
Speaker 3: more tellies. But there you go. How's that lighting for?

2005
01:35:30,692 --> 01:35:31,772
Speaker 2: It wasn't me, It wasn't me.

2006
01:35:33,053 --> 01:35:34,732
Speaker 3: Take what you want out of that studio, Gareth, I

2007
01:35:34,772 --> 01:35:35,532
Speaker 3: don't need it anymore.

2008
01:35:35,772 --> 01:35:37,652
Speaker 2: I didn't know that Andrew Approduce had the power to

2009
01:35:37,692 --> 01:35:42,092
Speaker 2: put on full like high beam lights a TV studio.

2010
01:35:42,372 --> 01:35:45,013
Speaker 11: Oh well, that's right, that is it's just reflecting off

2011
01:35:45,053 --> 01:35:45,412
Speaker 11: my head.

2012
01:35:45,933 --> 01:35:48,253
Speaker 2: I need some I need a welding mask.

2013
01:35:49,333 --> 01:35:51,253
Speaker 3: Right now is your opportunity? Oh, eight hundred and eighty

2014
01:35:51,293 --> 01:35:52,973
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call, and if you

2015
01:35:53,013 --> 01:35:54,732
Speaker 3: want to text through, you more than welcome. Nine to

2016
01:35:55,333 --> 01:35:57,932
Speaker 3: nine to two, Gareth. I've come in thick and fast,

2017
01:35:57,973 --> 01:36:02,133
Speaker 3: so we'll get straight into it with this one. Hey, guys,

2018
01:36:02,893 --> 01:36:04,852
Speaker 3: my wife works in retails, so it was not allowed

2019
01:36:04,853 --> 01:36:08,532
Speaker 3: to take holidays during November or December, leaving hoot ten

2020
01:36:08,612 --> 01:36:11,133
Speaker 3: months of the year to take holidays. Because one of

2021
01:36:11,173 --> 01:36:14,213
Speaker 3: her permanent days is a Saturday and they are permanently

2022
01:36:14,372 --> 01:36:17,053
Speaker 3: short staff, she is never allowed to take one or

2023
01:36:17,133 --> 01:36:19,772
Speaker 3: two weeks at a time because there was no one

2024
01:36:19,853 --> 01:36:22,972
Speaker 3: to cover her Saturday shift. I'm sure this is illegal.

2025
01:36:23,093 --> 01:36:23,932
Speaker 3: Can you please advise?

2026
01:36:25,093 --> 01:36:25,293
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2027
01:36:25,572 --> 01:36:28,372
Speaker 11: I mean the issue have not been able to take

2028
01:36:28,652 --> 01:36:33,452
Speaker 11: holidays over the Christmas period. That's not unusual in retail,

2029
01:36:34,772 --> 01:36:37,973
Speaker 11: but the inability to take a week or two of

2030
01:36:38,053 --> 01:36:42,293
Speaker 11: holiday at a time, that is an issue. And you

2031
01:36:42,532 --> 01:36:47,532
Speaker 11: do need to allow your staff to take a period

2032
01:36:47,612 --> 01:36:50,012
Speaker 11: of leave rather than a day here or a day there.

2033
01:36:50,532 --> 01:36:54,572
Speaker 11: So this is one of those situations where the caller's

2034
01:36:54,612 --> 01:36:59,452
Speaker 11: wife might want to constructively raise this with the employer.

2035
01:37:00,692 --> 01:37:02,692
Speaker 11: You know, it's a health and safety risk as well,

2036
01:37:03,933 --> 01:37:06,213
Speaker 11: and the employer's got to think about do they want

2037
01:37:06,213 --> 01:37:09,612
Speaker 11: to run the risk of a stress claim, because if

2038
01:37:09,612 --> 01:37:13,333
Speaker 11: you're not actually getting getting time to take an extended break,

2039
01:37:13,612 --> 01:37:16,133
Speaker 11: then you're going to be stressed out, You're going to

2040
01:37:16,173 --> 01:37:18,412
Speaker 11: be tired, you're most probably not going to be performing

2041
01:37:18,452 --> 01:37:18,972
Speaker 11: at your best.

2042
01:37:19,293 --> 01:37:20,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, good answer.

2043
01:37:21,053 --> 01:37:24,372
Speaker 2: We'll go to James A. You've had a complaint laid

2044
01:37:24,492 --> 01:37:25,253
Speaker 2: against you at work?

2045
01:37:26,853 --> 01:37:27,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did.

2046
01:37:27,412 --> 01:37:30,173
Speaker 18: It was a little while ago now, but I had

2047
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:33,732
Speaker 18: one of the people in my team lay a bullying

2048
01:37:33,853 --> 01:37:39,093
Speaker 18: complaint against me, which I thought was pretty unfair at

2049
01:37:39,133 --> 01:37:41,812
Speaker 18: the time given what had happened. Anyway, we went through

2050
01:37:42,213 --> 01:37:45,493
Speaker 18: a process of about ten weeks of they're an investigation,

2051
01:37:45,692 --> 01:37:47,772
Speaker 18: being shut up and all that sort of stuff, and

2052
01:37:48,612 --> 01:37:54,093
Speaker 18: this person's complaint was circulated to some senior management within

2053
01:37:54,173 --> 01:37:57,293
Speaker 18: the company a day or two before the investigation was

2054
01:37:57,372 --> 01:38:00,972
Speaker 18: due to start. I was told of the complaint's being dropped,

2055
01:38:01,853 --> 01:38:04,173
Speaker 18: but also, this person is now no longer going to

2056
01:38:04,213 --> 01:38:06,012
Speaker 18: report to you, but you're still going to be working

2057
01:38:06,093 --> 01:38:08,852
Speaker 18: in the same team. So I said, I wasn't happy

2058
01:38:08,893 --> 01:38:10,572
Speaker 18: with that at the time. I felt that we should

2059
01:38:10,572 --> 01:38:12,692
Speaker 18: have been going ahead with the investigation. And I'm just

2060
01:38:12,772 --> 01:38:15,612
Speaker 18: wondering whether there's any obligation on the part of the

2061
01:38:15,652 --> 01:38:20,013
Speaker 18: company to investigate a claim like that given the circumstances.

2062
01:38:21,692 --> 01:38:25,893
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a really tricky situation, both for you and

2063
01:38:26,253 --> 01:38:31,732
Speaker 11: for your employer. The difficulty that employers often grapple with

2064
01:38:32,053 --> 01:38:36,532
Speaker 11: is where someone's unhappy, they make a complaint, but they

2065
01:38:37,173 --> 01:38:39,852
Speaker 11: either withdraw the complaint, as appears to have been the

2066
01:38:39,933 --> 01:38:43,412
Speaker 11: case here, or they want the complaint to be kept confidential.

2067
01:38:43,732 --> 01:38:50,692
Speaker 11: Now it's pretty tricky for an employer because arguably you've

2068
01:38:50,893 --> 01:38:55,852
Speaker 11: still got to do an investigation if the concerns being raised. Now,

2069
01:38:56,213 --> 01:39:01,053
Speaker 11: this seems incredibly unfair for you because you've gone through

2070
01:39:01,213 --> 01:39:03,852
Speaker 11: all of the upset of having that complaint made against you.

2071
01:39:04,013 --> 01:39:09,532
Speaker 11: All the preliminary steps, and so there is an argument that, yes,

2072
01:39:09,732 --> 01:39:14,372
Speaker 11: the investigation should have gone ahead, But as a practical matter,

2073
01:39:14,452 --> 01:39:17,293
Speaker 11: I think the fact that it was withdrawn is most

2074
01:39:17,333 --> 01:39:20,893
Speaker 11: probably a good thing. And you never really know what

2075
01:39:21,133 --> 01:39:25,492
Speaker 11: investigations are going to show. And you know, investigators tried

2076
01:39:25,532 --> 01:39:29,412
Speaker 11: their best, but they aren't there. They don't actually know

2077
01:39:29,532 --> 01:39:33,213
Speaker 11: what happened, and so even though you've done nothing wrong,

2078
01:39:33,893 --> 01:39:36,213
Speaker 11: there's no guarantee that that's what the outcome would be.

2079
01:39:36,893 --> 01:39:39,452
Speaker 11: So I'd be inclined to just chalk it up as

2080
01:39:39,452 --> 01:39:42,452
Speaker 11: a negative experience and move on. Of course, if there

2081
01:39:42,492 --> 01:39:46,692
Speaker 11: are more issues with this teammate, I would really be

2082
01:39:46,853 --> 01:39:52,492
Speaker 11: on my guard. And if you start feeling uncomfortable, then

2083
01:39:52,532 --> 01:39:54,012
Speaker 11: it's your turn to raise a complaint.

2084
01:39:54,812 --> 01:39:57,652
Speaker 2: Thank of you call James. It's an interesting one, isn't it.

2085
01:39:57,812 --> 01:40:03,452
Speaker 2: Is there any pushback against I guess, low level complaints

2086
01:40:03,492 --> 01:40:07,053
Speaker 2: of bullying or erroneous complaints of bullying, or people using

2087
01:40:07,093 --> 01:40:11,013
Speaker 2: complaints of bullying as a way to you know, for

2088
01:40:11,093 --> 01:40:13,572
Speaker 2: their own career, or punishment because they don't like someone,

2089
01:40:13,572 --> 01:40:15,572
Speaker 2: Because that must happen quite quite a lot, right.

2090
01:40:15,893 --> 01:40:20,213
Speaker 11: Oh, definitely, you know. I sometimes joke that there hasn't

2091
01:40:20,253 --> 01:40:23,572
Speaker 11: been a single person who's been performance managed that hasn't

2092
01:40:23,652 --> 01:40:30,333
Speaker 11: claimed bully. It's almost guaranteed these days. And I think

2093
01:40:31,372 --> 01:40:33,852
Speaker 11: I think some of this comes from a lot of

2094
01:40:33,973 --> 01:40:38,532
Speaker 11: managers don't actually have any management training. Yeah right, And

2095
01:40:39,013 --> 01:40:40,412
Speaker 11: you know it was key with none of us want

2096
01:40:40,452 --> 01:40:44,053
Speaker 11: to be the bad guy or bad girl, and so

2097
01:40:45,173 --> 01:40:50,293
Speaker 11: we have a bit of difficulty managing people sometimes and

2098
01:40:51,013 --> 01:40:52,732
Speaker 11: as soon as you do try and manage someone, you

2099
01:40:52,812 --> 01:40:54,692
Speaker 11: get accused of being a bully.

2100
01:40:55,173 --> 01:40:55,372
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2101
01:40:55,612 --> 01:40:58,333
Speaker 3: Do you find with the smaller businesses they are a

2102
01:40:58,412 --> 01:41:01,053
Speaker 3: bit more lost at seeing those situations because they're not

2103
01:41:01,093 --> 01:41:05,333
Speaker 3: big enough to have an HR department. When that situation unfolds,

2104
01:41:05,372 --> 01:41:07,372
Speaker 3: clearly they should speak to someone like you, Gareth, but

2105
01:41:07,612 --> 01:41:10,933
Speaker 3: they feel, you know, a bit lost about what to

2106
01:41:11,013 --> 01:41:11,852
Speaker 3: do and how to deal with it.

2107
01:41:12,333 --> 01:41:15,293
Speaker 11: Oh definitely. I mean you look at New Zealand's economy.

2108
01:41:15,372 --> 01:41:20,893
Speaker 11: It's made up mainly of small and medium enterprises. You know,

2109
01:41:21,612 --> 01:41:24,972
Speaker 11: someone in their partner and maybe an apprentice or something

2110
01:41:25,093 --> 01:41:28,613
Speaker 11: like that. It's it's pretty difficult to navigate the complexities

2111
01:41:28,652 --> 01:41:33,133
Speaker 11: of employment law. And you know, getting advice is not cheap.

2112
01:41:33,612 --> 01:41:36,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Tyler gave me a pretty i'd say, pretty lame.

2113
01:41:36,893 --> 01:41:38,692
Speaker 2: Thank you for a coffee that I got him there.

2114
01:41:38,652 --> 01:41:42,012
Speaker 3: About I bully him every day, Gareth, He's raised complaints.

2115
01:41:42,013 --> 01:41:43,893
Speaker 2: It doesn't get anyway. Does he ask for it?

2116
01:41:44,452 --> 01:41:44,772
Speaker 17: He does.

2117
01:41:44,973 --> 01:41:47,452
Speaker 2: It was a microaggression, not thanking me enough for the

2118
01:41:47,492 --> 01:41:48,173
Speaker 2: coffee I got it.

2119
01:41:49,133 --> 01:41:51,652
Speaker 3: I remember that for tomorrow. Oh one hundred and eighty

2120
01:41:51,692 --> 01:41:54,452
Speaker 3: to eighty is the number to call. Gareth Abdenor is

2121
01:41:54,612 --> 01:41:57,612
Speaker 3: in studio employment law expert, and he is taking your

2122
01:41:57,732 --> 01:41:58,772
Speaker 3: questions and calls.

2123
01:41:58,812 --> 01:42:02,973
Speaker 1: It is twenty wonder four matt Heath Taylor Adams with

2124
01:42:03,173 --> 01:42:05,892
Speaker 1: you as your afternoon rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor

2125
01:42:05,973 --> 01:42:08,092
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talk.

2126
01:42:07,973 --> 01:42:11,333
Speaker 3: Said afternoon eighteen to four eight hundred and eighty ten

2127
01:42:11,532 --> 01:42:13,452
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call if you've got a

2128
01:42:13,532 --> 01:42:15,892
Speaker 3: question or concern at your place of work, if you're

2129
01:42:15,933 --> 01:42:18,652
Speaker 3: the boss or the worker. Gareth Abdenall is in studio

2130
01:42:18,732 --> 01:42:21,732
Speaker 3: with US employment Workplace and Information expert and director of

2131
01:42:21,812 --> 01:42:25,293
Speaker 3: Abdenor Employment Law. A few texts coming through on nine

2132
01:42:25,372 --> 01:42:29,093
Speaker 3: to nine two. This one get a Gareth. I work

2133
01:42:29,133 --> 01:42:31,772
Speaker 3: two jobs. The boss of one of my jobs wants

2134
01:42:31,853 --> 01:42:34,532
Speaker 3: to change my hours which conflict with my other job.

2135
01:42:34,772 --> 01:42:36,933
Speaker 3: Do I need to accept the change of hours they

2136
01:42:36,973 --> 01:42:38,492
Speaker 3: are set in my contract from June.

2137
01:42:41,412 --> 01:42:43,772
Speaker 11: It really depends on what else is in your contract.

2138
01:42:43,853 --> 01:42:46,892
Speaker 11: A lot of contracts have a clause that the employer

2139
01:42:47,133 --> 01:42:51,052
Speaker 11: can vary the hours if there's a genuine business reason

2140
01:42:51,173 --> 01:42:53,372
Speaker 11: for it, as long as they consult with you first.

2141
01:42:54,532 --> 01:42:58,933
Speaker 11: Of course, there is that overlying duty to act reasonably.

2142
01:42:59,253 --> 01:43:03,293
Speaker 11: So I guess the question is why does the boss

2143
01:43:03,412 --> 01:43:06,372
Speaker 11: of one of the jobs want to change this person's hours,

2144
01:43:07,013 --> 01:43:11,652
Speaker 11: and in the agree are they legally entitled to You know,

2145
01:43:11,853 --> 01:43:13,933
Speaker 11: I'd have a discussion with them. There may be a

2146
01:43:14,053 --> 01:43:16,852
Speaker 11: genuine reason, and if you don't agree to it, they

2147
01:43:16,933 --> 01:43:19,572
Speaker 11: may do a restructure and just establish the role. So,

2148
01:43:21,133 --> 01:43:24,173
Speaker 11: you know, try and be constructive and try and find

2149
01:43:24,213 --> 01:43:25,412
Speaker 11: a way that works for both of you.

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Speaker 3: I imagine that it could be also quite tricky, Gareth

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Speaker 3: if she if this person is working two jobs and

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Speaker 3: one of the bosses doesn't know about the other job,

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Speaker 3: that can create some tension, right that if they don't

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Speaker 3: know you're working in another position and you're not giving

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Speaker 3: your full attention to the job that you're yet you're

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Speaker 3: employed to do. Yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 11: Your employer can't prevent you from having a second job,

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Speaker 11: but they can prevent you from having a second job

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Speaker 11: if it conflicts with your obligations under that job. And

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Speaker 11: you know, this is kind of one of those situations,

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Speaker 11: isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, keep those ticks coming through a nine two nine two.

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Speaker 3: But let's go to the phones. Joe, you've got a

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Speaker 3: question for Gareth.

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Speaker 21: Oh, hey, Gareth, I'm Joe here. I am a manager

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Speaker 21: of a company at a small company. I've got a

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Speaker 21: new recruit. He's just four months old. He's got a

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Speaker 21: probation period of six months, so going forward, we would

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Speaker 21: not like to continue with him. So I would like

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Speaker 21: know all bit of consequences that I'll have to face

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Speaker 21: if I give him a notice.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, if you give the person notice now and you

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Speaker 11: haven't gone through the process that's set out in the contract,

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Speaker 11: it could be very expensive, indeed, because it would most

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Speaker 11: likely be an unfair dismissal and they may get compensation,

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Speaker 11: they may get lost wages, and of course they may

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Speaker 11: be reinstated to their roles. So you may dismiss this

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Speaker 11: person and then find that the court says they are

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Speaker 11: entitled to come back. So I would strongly suggest that

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Speaker 11: in a situation like this you take some advice or

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Speaker 11: at a very minimum, follow the process that's set out

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Speaker 11: in the agreement in the probationary period. I know two

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Speaker 11: months seems like a long time, but if you get

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Speaker 11: this wrong, it's going to cost you a lot more

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Speaker 11: than two months wages.

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Speaker 21: All right, But in my agreement, it clearly states that

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Speaker 21: the probation within the probation period, the notice pit is

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Speaker 21: just one week, so I just need to give him

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Speaker 21: a week's notice, right.

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Speaker 11: Well, you need to follow the process that's set out,

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Speaker 11: so you can't under a probationary period. It's not like

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Speaker 11: a trial period. You can't just tell someone that it's

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Speaker 11: not working out and they need to go. You still

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Speaker 11: have to act in good faith and you have to

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Speaker 11: consult with them. So this is not really a straightforward

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Speaker 11: ABC type thing. I strongly suggest that you get some

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Speaker 11: advice on this one, because if you get it wrong,

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Speaker 11: it's going to be expensive.

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Speaker 3: So good luck, Joe, good luck, Thank you, all right,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much.

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Speaker 13: Dan.

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Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: Mate?

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Speaker 25: You good yourself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Good?

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Speaker 3: Gareth is standing my oday?

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Speaker 17: Gareth.

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Speaker 25: I'm a pretty much a leading hand here at this

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Speaker 25: construction industry. We work in civil and infrastructure and all

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Speaker 25: that so pretty much what my issue was. I've pretty

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01:46:28,253 --> 01:46:32,052
Speaker 25: much started probably two weeks ago, and as the last

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01:46:32,133 --> 01:46:35,932
Speaker 25: week had gone by, I had been paid in short

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Speaker 25: due to a few opinions that my employer, Reckons had,

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Speaker 25: you know, sort of for the public holiday. So what's

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Speaker 25: happened is I started about two weeks ago on the Monday,

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Speaker 25: which we all know was a public holiday or King's Birthday,

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Speaker 25: and there clearly states in my contract also. But with

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Speaker 25: that with a start, he had pretty much forwarded me

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Speaker 25: another email saying can we have you start on the third,

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Speaker 25: which on a Tuesday, and then well, pretty mu following

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Speaker 25: up to my next pay week, I was paid short

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Speaker 25: eight LS, and I'll pretty much argued the point with him,

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01:47:17,253 --> 01:47:19,612
Speaker 25: but he reckons that. Oh he sent me a follow

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Speaker 25: up email saying that the third is my start date,

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Speaker 25: which then avoids him paying eight LS. Just wanting to

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Speaker 25: know any way around this or if if he's correct

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Speaker 25: or if I'm incorrect.

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Speaker 11: Gosh, that sounds a bit rough. Not a great way

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01:47:33,253 --> 01:47:35,452
Speaker 11: to start off an employment relationship, is it.

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Speaker 1: Not?

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01:47:37,253 --> 01:47:37,492
Speaker 9: Really?

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Speaker 25: I mean, I'm not really looking to battle it out either,

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Speaker 25: because I'm not a bit worried that I'll lose all

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Speaker 25: the benefits that I do have at the moment, which

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Speaker 25: is not in my contract.

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Speaker 11: But you know, yeah, definitely, it really depends on what

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01:47:52,093 --> 01:47:55,213
Speaker 11: was actually agreed. If it was agreed that the Monday

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Speaker 11: would be your start date, I think you've got a

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Speaker 11: very good case that you should be paid for the

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01:48:03,293 --> 01:48:08,812
Speaker 11: public holiday. An employer can't just change your STUF update

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01:48:09,013 --> 01:48:12,093
Speaker 11: if that has already been agreed, and if that was

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01:48:12,133 --> 01:48:14,852
Speaker 11: agreed in the contract and both people signed it, well,

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01:48:15,372 --> 01:48:17,212
Speaker 11: I think it's it's going to be a bit difficult

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01:48:17,253 --> 01:48:21,492
Speaker 11: for your employer to argue that it changed.

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01:48:23,173 --> 01:48:23,532
Speaker 2: That's it.

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01:48:24,053 --> 01:48:27,093
Speaker 11: As you said before, do you really want to die

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01:48:27,133 --> 01:48:32,572
Speaker 11: in a ditch over this one as pay? And you know,

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Speaker 11: if if your employer is adamant that he's right, even

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01:48:37,173 --> 01:48:41,013
Speaker 11: if he's not, things are going to get unpleasant and

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01:48:42,452 --> 01:48:45,893
Speaker 11: you may choose just to swallow it on this occasion.

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01:48:47,293 --> 01:48:50,893
Speaker 11: But yeah, it doesn't seem right and I wouldn't be

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01:48:51,013 --> 01:48:51,852
Speaker 11: very happy if it was me.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it's just it's a hard one. At one time,

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Speaker 20: you don't really want to battle it out and lose,

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01:49:02,612 --> 01:49:04,932
Speaker 20: you know, the good faith of your employer. But then

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01:49:05,293 --> 01:49:07,293
Speaker 20: the other hand, you don't really want to be taken

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01:49:07,293 --> 01:49:08,253
Speaker 20: advantage of as well.

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Speaker 11: So totally And I guess the thing I would be

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01:49:11,612 --> 01:49:15,652
Speaker 11: thinking is, you know, if someone wants to screw me

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01:49:15,732 --> 01:49:18,652
Speaker 11: out of a day's public holidays, is that someone that

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01:49:18,732 --> 01:49:21,053
Speaker 11: I really want to be working with? And you know,

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01:49:21,213 --> 01:49:24,293
Speaker 11: maybe maybe you should be looking for other opportunities?

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01:49:25,652 --> 01:49:25,852
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:49:26,812 --> 01:49:30,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably good luck and a bit to think about there.

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01:49:31,812 --> 01:49:34,852
Speaker 3: This is an interesting question. Hi, I own a retail

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Speaker 3: shop with security cameras covering the sales floor and office.

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Speaker 3: The cameras record audio as well as video. But as

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Speaker 3: far as my employees know, it's just video. Do I

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01:49:43,372 --> 01:49:45,732
Speaker 3: have to let them know that it's covering audio as well?

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01:49:46,293 --> 01:49:46,492
Speaker 13: Yes?

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01:49:47,293 --> 01:49:49,612
Speaker 11: And why are you recording audio?

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01:49:50,173 --> 01:49:50,452
Speaker 3: Thanks?

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01:49:51,133 --> 01:49:55,012
Speaker 2: So the recording audio makes it and such another level,

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01:49:55,093 --> 01:49:55,492
Speaker 2: doesn't it?

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01:49:55,772 --> 01:49:55,972
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:49:56,253 --> 01:49:57,132
Speaker 2: Totally creepiness.

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Speaker 11: I'd be really uncomfortable with that if if I was

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01:50:01,452 --> 01:50:04,452
Speaker 11: one of the employees, and I'd be going, well, hang on,

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01:50:04,612 --> 01:50:07,253
Speaker 11: why are you spying on me? You know, you've you've

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01:50:07,293 --> 01:50:11,932
Speaker 11: got to have a genu one reasonable reason to record

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01:50:12,013 --> 01:50:17,132
Speaker 11: people in the workplace. Now, video surveillances is not unusual.

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01:50:17,253 --> 01:50:20,452
Speaker 11: There's there's really good health and safety reasons for that.

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01:50:20,572 --> 01:50:24,612
Speaker 11: There's security reasons for that. But why are you recording audio,

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01:50:26,253 --> 01:50:27,692
Speaker 11: you know, just turn.

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Speaker 2: It off and look, you'll hear them backstabbing about you.

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01:50:30,253 --> 01:50:33,093
Speaker 2: And that's what they do that people, employees backstad about

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01:50:33,093 --> 01:50:35,132
Speaker 2: their bosses. It's just how they get let out steam.

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Speaker 2: And you just feel bad.

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Speaker 11: You don't want to hear it.

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01:50:37,652 --> 01:50:39,412
Speaker 4: You do not want to hear.

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01:50:39,652 --> 01:50:41,133
Speaker 2: You don't want to hear what your employees are saying

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01:50:41,133 --> 01:50:41,412
Speaker 2: about you.

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01:50:41,973 --> 01:50:44,852
Speaker 11: And if they find out that you are recording audio

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01:50:45,133 --> 01:50:47,732
Speaker 11: and you haven't told them, not only are they going

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01:50:47,772 --> 01:50:50,253
Speaker 11: to have grounds for personal grievance, they are also going

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01:50:50,333 --> 01:50:52,212
Speaker 11: to have grounds to make a complaint to the Privacy

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01:50:52,213 --> 01:50:54,732
Speaker 11: Commissioner and and it's going to be all bad.

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Speaker 3: So we don't do iteless.

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Speaker 2: They're recording audio on our workplace, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: How dare they to hear that I'm taking share people by?

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01:51:03,452 --> 01:51:08,093
Speaker 2: They're blatant with these big microphones in our faces. And

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01:51:08,532 --> 01:51:11,093
Speaker 2: how many times this text ask can a twelvemonth fixed

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01:51:11,173 --> 01:51:14,212
Speaker 2: term role be rolled on before it becomes permanent?

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01:51:15,053 --> 01:51:15,293
Speaker 15: Ah?

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01:51:15,812 --> 01:51:16,252
Speaker 3: Correct?

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01:51:17,093 --> 01:51:21,253
Speaker 11: So there's some large organizations in New Zealand that make

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01:51:21,333 --> 01:51:25,652
Speaker 11: a habit of these rolling twelvemonth fixed term contracts, and

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Speaker 11: I think they are shaky as here legally and if

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01:51:29,293 --> 01:51:34,253
Speaker 11: anyone tests it. The organizations might be running for the hills.

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Speaker 11: You've got to have a genuine business reason to have

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01:51:38,372 --> 01:51:41,692
Speaker 11: a fixed term agreement, and one of those reasons can't

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01:51:41,812 --> 01:51:45,293
Speaker 11: be that you're not sure about funding. The courts have

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01:51:45,372 --> 01:51:47,612
Speaker 11: made it very clear that in a situation like that,

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01:51:48,372 --> 01:51:50,372
Speaker 11: if there's not enough funding, then you need to have

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01:51:50,492 --> 01:51:55,133
Speaker 11: a restructure. So I can't see many good reasons for

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01:51:55,213 --> 01:51:57,333
Speaker 11: a rolling twelvemonth fixed term contract.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant as always, Gareth. That's all the time that we have.

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Speaker 3: But thank you very much as always, and we'll see

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Speaker 3: you back in about a month.

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Speaker 11: Fantastic, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: Stay warm down there. How cool is it?

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Speaker 2: here in our studios. I've pumped the air conditioning right

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Speaker 2: up to test Tyler's resolve.

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Speaker 3: Outrageous to see another HR complaint, isn't it a right?

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Speaker 3: That is Gareth Abdenor. He is an employment, workplace and

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