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Speaker 1: Sports huddle. It is your Friday night. Nicki starrs sports

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Speaker 1: journalists with us and Paul Allison news talks. He'd be

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Speaker 1: rugby commentator. Good evening, guys. Good, great to have you on. Nikki.

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Speaker 1: You I saw you the other day on your bike.

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Speaker 1: You've been biking all over Auckland. Very impressive.

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Speaker 2: You know what I was waiting for that? Is this

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Speaker 2: going to be about sport? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I had

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Speaker 2: a hip replacement about nine weeks ago, so I have

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Speaker 2: taken up cycling around Auckland, which probably means I'll be

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Speaker 2: in from another hip placement soon when I get knocked off.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was lovely to see you Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're looking great. You're looking great. I'm good

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Speaker 1: to see you keeping fighting fit too. And then yeh,

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Speaker 1: spiking cycling is sport technically.

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Speaker 3: How many read cones did you have to dodge? Nicky?

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Speaker 2: What my husband's ones?

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Speaker 1: He's in traffic management. Hey, I'm Tim Soudy. So we're

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Speaker 1: not quite certain yet whether Paul whether he's going to

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Speaker 1: be in the lineup for tomorrow's test. But do you

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Speaker 1: think if he is there, is it because he deserves

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Speaker 1: to be there or because it's sentimental.

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't really care which option it is. To

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Speaker 3: be fair, I think i'd like to see him there because,

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Speaker 3: let's face it, he hasn't been in sparkling form with

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Speaker 3: the ball and recent Test matches, but he's been a

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Speaker 3: fantastic servant. The black Caps have got nothing on this

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Speaker 3: riding on this Test match at all. I've lost the series,

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Speaker 3: they're out of the World Test Championship calculations. And he's

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Speaker 3: a man who's been around for sixteen years in that

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Speaker 3: international team. He's had more Test wins than anybody else,

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Speaker 3: and he's been a real servant on his home ground.

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Speaker 3: I think he deserves it farewell at this particular occasion,

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Speaker 3: and I'm quite happy for him to be there, whether

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Speaker 3: he gets there on his merit or whether it's cent

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Speaker 3: a meddalpack. I don't mind, Niki.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd probably have to reiterate what Paul said. Really. Look,

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Speaker 2: I thought about this hard, and I thought back in

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Speaker 2: the day when Scott was playing and if he was

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Speaker 2: having his last to run it was a chance clown

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Speaker 2: said in part which was his time ground. I would

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Speaker 2: sit there and absolutely, on a personal level, I would

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Speaker 2: love to see him play. So if you sit there

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Speaker 2: on mirror. I think you've got to say to yourself, well,

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Speaker 2: he is one of New Zealand's top three bowlers ever,

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Speaker 2: so yes, he deserves to have a good scent off.

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Speaker 2: And the other question is who would actually replace him

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Speaker 2: right now? Is there somebody that's standing out that is

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Speaker 2: being aggrieved by this process? And I would say no,

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Speaker 2: I think Nathan Smith. You know, he's starting to show promise,

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Speaker 2: but it's not like you go, he's a muss play

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Speaker 2: Jacob Duffy, not necessarily. So I'm with you. I think

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Speaker 2: it's it would be a great opportunity to fear Well

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Speaker 2: one of New Zealand's great bowlers. And I know Tim

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Speaker 2: well and I know that he will be, you know,

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Speaker 2: be going out there to you know, put on a

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Speaker 2: show for the people of New Zealand and people of

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Speaker 2: Hamilton and end his career on a high.

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Speaker 1: Also, it doesn't it doesn't really matter it does it,

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Speaker 1: because we've already lost that's.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what. But it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: I set more records than the Beatles in the sixties really,

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Speaker 3: because you know, he's just he's just turned He's just

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Speaker 3: turned thirty six two days ago, so he's had a

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Speaker 3: birthday present a couple of days ago, and he's somebody that,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, really deserves that sort of send off,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm really comfortable with that, and I think,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't it be great? Wouldn't it just be great? Just

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Speaker 3: imagine this if he goes out, knocks over Joe Route,

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Speaker 3: he gets a hat trick? What away from the standoff?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's probably pigs flying past the

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Speaker 3: window at the moment, but you know, sillier things have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it sounds like we've got two big tickets

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Speaker 1: of approval from you too. So that's something Paul should

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Speaker 1: Will Young open instead of Devin Comway, do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well, Devin Conways, I understand, is not available, so Will

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Speaker 3: Young is the obvious choice. He was in great form

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Speaker 3: of he thirty two years of age, had nineteen tests,

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Speaker 1: He's out for dead, Judy, I think, isn't he is

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Speaker 1: the pap Let's go to NRL Nikki. The Papua New

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be a lasting success? Can something

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Speaker 1: like that be a lasting success? Do you think? Or

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Speaker 1: is this more of just a political you know, a

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, it's it's both those things. Let's face it.

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Speaker 2: When you know, Papua New Guinea is very strategically placed

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Speaker 2: why the Australian government is pumping six hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: But it's also particularly good for rugby league there and

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Speaker 2: it will open up you know a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of doors there for business, trade, sport. I think

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Speaker 2: it will last so long as the Government of Australia,

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Speaker 2: sorry the paper a Guinea government doesn't decide to suddenly

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Speaker 2: sign some sort of pact with China. Because one thing

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Speaker 2: I did notice is that the Australian government can pull

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Speaker 2: it's it's definitely strategic. But I think I listened to

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Speaker 2: Cam George talking about, you know, whether the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: should be disappointed that they weren't in the running, and

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Speaker 2: I would say no, because we don't have that sort

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Speaker 2: of financial backend, we don't have the grassroots. Our player

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Speaker 2: pool would be stretched something terrible. So I think it's

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Speaker 2: just I actually think it's a bit of a win

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Speaker 1: Well what do you think, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's about money to some degree. I mean six hundred

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Speaker 3: million dollars is a lot of money for the Australian

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Speaker 3: government to pump that into PMNG, which is going to

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Speaker 3: to help develop some of those nations Tongue at Sara

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Speaker 3: and FIG. But it's really interesting that the players who

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Speaker 3: so it's not going to be a PNG based team

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Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see how it goes. It's

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Speaker 3: a ten year deal and as Nicki quite rightly said,

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Speaker 3: the Australian government can pull out at any stage, but

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Speaker 3: They're going to be the eighteenth team. Be interesting to

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Speaker 1: Big story this week the fee for World Cup going

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Speaker 1: to Saudi Arabia. I want to get your takes on that.

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Speaker 1: Next Nicki star as sports journalist and Paul Allison News Talks,

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Speaker 1: he'd be Rugby commentator on the Sports Huddle your Friday Night.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Bridget's twelve to six. Nicki Starr as sports

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Speaker 1: journalist and Paul Ellison News talks. He'd be rugby commentator

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Speaker 1: with me tonight, Let's talk FIFA. I can't understand, Nikki,

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Speaker 1: what this story is about. Why there are such a

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Speaker 1: big fuss being made about it. This is the feat

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Speaker 1: for World Cup going to Saudi Arabia. I mean, why

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Speaker 1: are the people in New Zellen complaining about this. We've

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Speaker 1: just signed a free trade deal with the golf states,

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Speaker 1: including Saudia Arabia, for goodness sakes, I mean, what's the

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Speaker 2: Look? Right, I think that people like to make a

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Speaker 2: noise about the fact that there is they have a

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Speaker 2: poor human rights record, and rightly so they do. But

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Speaker 2: the problem is that, like the NRL discussion, we've just

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Speaker 2: had money talks and you've only got to sit there

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Speaker 2: and look at what sports of Saudi Arabia currently is

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Speaker 2: pretty much taking over. They've got football, they've got live golf,

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Speaker 2: They've got cricket leagues in the Is growing their ties

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Speaker 2: with Saudi Arabia all the time. They have major horse racing.

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Speaker 2: They've got the Formula one Saudi GP, They've got boxing,

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Speaker 2: they had the WTA finals in the tennis. They are

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Speaker 2: a huge, huge force when it comes to a sports investor.

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Speaker 2: So I think that people like to do the right

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Speaker 2: thing and say they're not necessarily moral country, that we

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Speaker 2: like to host these events, but it really doesn't last.

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Speaker 2: The chat doesn't last because the money takes over.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, Paul, you agree with that money talks.

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Speaker 3: How many talks? And I think Nicki summed it up

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Speaker 3: really well in terms of what we've seen in recent

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Speaker 3: recent trend where they've been able to host sports at

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Speaker 3: the world, and they've done it pretty well. I was

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Speaker 3: in Katar when the FIFA World Cup qualifying matches were on,

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Speaker 3: to sixteen degrees outside it was forty one degrees. These

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Speaker 3: going to have fifteen stadiums. Three of them are in

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Speaker 3: construction now yet to start. We can't even get a

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Speaker 2: Seen that we can't build one stadium, that's right, And

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Speaker 2: so you start looking at that and it's all about money.

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Speaker 3: But when they spend the money, they do it really well.

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Speaker 3: And we didn't hear too many complaints after the twenty

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Speaker 3: and I think Nikki absolutely summed it up beautifully in

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Speaker 3: terms of it is about human rights and that's where

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Speaker 3: the concerns are coming. But these guys got voted and

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Speaker 3: unopposed for twenty thirty four and you can't really Maybe

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Speaker 3: it all happened a bit quickly behind closed doors, but

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Speaker 3: it's happened. Let's get on. Let's make the most of it.

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Speaker 1: And also you ask yourself the counterfactual, if we didn't

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Speaker 1: go take the fief of World Cup, there would any

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Speaker 1: of those human rights abuses change? No, you know, and

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Speaker 1: at least by having at least by going there, you

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Speaker 1: might open some eyes to a different perspective on the world.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but certainly if you don't go, then

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Speaker 1: nothing changes. Too, So there's that argument as well. Nine

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Speaker 1: away from six now on news talks, he'd be and

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Speaker 1: we've got our Friday sports huddle with us. Should James

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Speaker 1: O'Connell be starting at we're actually he is starting at

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Speaker 1: number ten? Is that what we've just found out? He

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Speaker 1: is going to be starting at number ten?

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Speaker 2: NICKI, I've got a real problem with this. Look, I

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Speaker 2: guess you've I guess you've got to ask yourself about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one, nicky, isn't it. I mean

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Speaker 3: it looks like he just hasn't been out he's been

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Speaker 3: and I don't disagree with those, but each of these

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Speaker 3: bring them from, and what positions they play, and I

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Speaker 3: guess it's over to the individual teams and the clubs

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Speaker 3: best be filled. So in a way the market forces

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Speaker 1: And yeah, absolutely, Paul, thank you for that great analysis.

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