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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The stat has broken out between the Police Association and

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Speaker 2: the Minister responsible for gun reform. The Police Association has

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Speaker 2: written an open letter to the Prime Minister asking him

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Speaker 2: to strip the Associate Justice Minister of her portfolio because

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Speaker 2: they say they've been left out of the consultation about

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Speaker 2: the gun reform and Nicole McKee, the former gun lobbyist.

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Speaker 2: They don't think she's acting independently, so let's talk to her. Heinekol,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon. Heither have you left them out of the consultation.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've left them out of the initial scoping, but

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Speaker 1: we have included New Zealand Police in the consultation and

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Speaker 1: I'm quite happy with their involvement seeing as they do

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Speaker 1: look to and speak for the entire police force.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Police Association being the union, will have a

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Speaker 2: different view, but we'll also speak for a lot of

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Speaker 2: the police officers, won't They.

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Speaker 1: They will, and they will definitely have their opportunity to

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Speaker 1: participate as we go through the consultation time frames when

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Speaker 1: bills are produced and we put them out for that consultation.

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Speaker 2: So let me just let me just understand this. So

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Speaker 2: you're doing a targeted initial consultation which they're not part

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Speaker 2: of right now, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, correct, for scoping the changes that we wish to make, and.

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Speaker 2: Then thereafter what comes next what part can they participate in.

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Speaker 1: So at the moment, we've done some mediate changes on

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Speaker 1: clubs and ranges and there will be potentially a bill

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Speaker 1: that will go forward for further changes in that space.

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Speaker 1: When that occurs, there'll be consultation available to everybody, including

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Speaker 1: the Police Association. We are at the moment just going

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Speaker 1: out with a questionnaire on the registry as part of

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Speaker 1: the review, and should any changes be made there there

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Speaker 1: will be availability for consultation for everyone, including the Police Association.

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Speaker 1: So this targeted consultation that's taken place at the moment

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Speaker 1: is really just the initial consultation to get our work

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Speaker 1: under way, not consultation on legislative changes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when they're able to participate, what at the

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Speaker 2: selectivity process stage they will be yes. Is that's when

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Speaker 2: you foresee them actually being able to have a say yes.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean there may be areas that come up

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Speaker 1: once we get feedback from these initial scopes that we've done,

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Speaker 1: and once we start to make changes, there may be

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Speaker 1: a place for the Police Association then, but at this stage,

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Speaker 1: this early on, there is no need. I'm really happy

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Speaker 1: with the fulsome feedback that I've been getting from New

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Speaker 1: Zealand police.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now what's going on here, because I mean for

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Speaker 2: them to go public and rights to the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: like this is taking things pretty seriously. Have you had

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Speaker 2: a breakdown in a relationship between yourself and them?

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Speaker 1: Well, I've always thought that I've had quite a strong

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Speaker 1: relationship with Chris Carhill, but I don't think that seems

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Speaker 1: to be working both ways. I've always been quite open

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Speaker 1: and friendly towards him, but you know when somebody wants

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Speaker 1: to make personal attacks against the person and actually lie

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Speaker 1: as well. I mean, he's made public comments that I

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Speaker 1: was the head of the gun lobby in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: that he actually effectively even said that I'm responsible for

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Speaker 1: the Mosk attacks. I just think that's unnecessary, helpful, it's

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Speaker 1: not constructive. At the end of the day, this government

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Speaker 1: wants to make law reforms that keep our community safe,

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Speaker 1: keep guns in the right hands and out of the

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Speaker 1: wrong hand, and that's what I'm committed to doing. I

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Speaker 1: have decades of firearm safety background education and relevance, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that brings an element to this task

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Speaker 1: which is much and much needed.

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Speaker 2: Has he cooked his goose with you?

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Speaker 1: I think it would be unfair to say that anybody

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Speaker 1: cooks their go So, I mean, he's obviously unhappy, but

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Speaker 1: the way he's going about trying to get part of

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Speaker 1: the process is not very helpful for himself all the

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Speaker 1: people that he purports to represent. So hence, I'm quite

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Speaker 1: happy with the feedback I'm getting from New Zealand Police

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Speaker 1: as a whole. It's been constructive and it's been relevant.

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Speaker 2: Nicole, Thank you very much, really appreciate your time. As

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Speaker 2: Nicole McKee, the Associate Justice Minister. For more from Heather

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