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Speaker 2: Gooday you great New Zealander and welcome to Matin Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number one eight seven for the twentieth

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Speaker 2: of August twenty twenty five. Very positive show today. I

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Speaker 2: think you'll come out of this feeling bitter about your life. Yeah, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: A lot of we accidentally did about two hours on positivity.

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Speaker 3: We did, Yeah, started off with councils taking flags, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of positivity coming through on that.

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Speaker 2: But a very fun and amusing call that came in

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Speaker 2: the self out books that actually help you. I really

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 4: Said they.

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Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show.

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Speaker 3: Hope you're doing fantastic wherever you're listening in this beautiful

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Speaker 3: country of ours. Great to have your company as always,

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Speaker 3: good day, Matts.

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Speaker 2: A good day Tyler Excited for the next three hours

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Speaker 3: That is the Matt and Tyler promise for you every

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Speaker 3: day and especially today after three o'clock. The self help industry,

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Speaker 3: been bigger than in twenty twenty five when it comes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's some that help you, some that don't,

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Speaker 2: huge book. But there are some that are life changing.

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Speaker 2: So what are the south Olk Box had actually did

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Speaker 2: something for you?

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: that's going to be an interesting discussion. So this was

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Speaker 3: after you had a chat with some very successful businessmen.

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Speaker 2: Mat Yeah, that's right. I was im seeing the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand CIO Awards last night, and congratulations to Alexandra Smart

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Speaker 2: from Southern Cross Travel Insurance. She won the CIO of

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Speaker 2: the Year.

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Speaker 3: Well done.

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Speaker 2: But I was talking to these gentlemen. I won't say

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Speaker 2: what company they're in or their names. I'll keep them

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Speaker 2: them deep into the night night and they would had

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Speaker 2: lived in New Zealand, both of them for various mouths time,

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Speaker 2: and then have been overseas and have come back to

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Speaker 2: Zealand because they're very successful businessman. And they were both

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Speaker 2: saying two separate conversations that since they came back, they

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Speaker 2: were surprised at the malaise that's come over the country.

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Speaker 2: This attitude that seems very very different of it's too hard,

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Speaker 2: things aren't going great, a tall poppy syndrome that's even

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Speaker 2: even more powerful than they we left famous tall poppy

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Speaker 2: syndrome in New Zealand. Yes, said that was all more powerful,

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Speaker 2: and being back in the country, they were just like

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Speaker 2: And I thought that was interesting because I felt this

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Speaker 3: Number eight wire And I know that's a cliche, but

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Speaker 3: we've long prided ourselves as having to get up and

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Speaker 3: to kick part on the international stage. But it is,

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Speaker 2: And within the country you can always you've got more

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Speaker 2: How can we get that? Let's get going, Let's bloody

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Speaker 2: Let's get some Bruce McLaren type attitude up into this country.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a great chat after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about councils putting

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Speaker 3: up hurdles for retailers, So Richmond retailers his rules banning

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Speaker 3: advertising flags from the street would cut into his revenue

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Speaker 3: by hundreds of bucks. This is Matt Redwood. He owns

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Speaker 5: We've been in this business five years. Men, my wife

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Speaker 5: the floods. The councilman came down and told us all

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Speaker 5: the business of their flag.

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Speaker 2: Are there lots of flags?

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Speaker 5: I would probably count twenty.

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Speaker 2: Do you know it's effective or you think it's effective?

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Speaker 5: No. I definitely know it's effective because we opened so

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Speaker 5: It's taking a lot of money out of our pocket.

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Speaker 2: Do you have people complain about the flags.

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Speaker 5: I've never had a first complain at the flag. Our

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Speaker 6: When the person comes in from the council, what do

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Speaker 2: Are they the flag ticket? What are they called?

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Speaker 5: First of all, it was the parking warden who had

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Speaker 5: me had caught a heated discussion about it, and I

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Speaker 5: just thought, what this is? Cost of this money? How

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Speaker 5: did this come about? And we didn't get confrontation on this.

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Speaker 5: It was this fight pushed through without nobody knowing.

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Speaker 2: Did he buy a coffee?

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Speaker 5: No he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Not a prut Right, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 5: They tell us we can go up there and reaffly

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Speaker 5: sit around and go we can fix this or we

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Speaker 3: So there you go. I mean the most egregious part

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Speaker 2: So shouldn't council has been doing everything they can to

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Speaker 2: flags help businesses, So let's just facilitate a way for

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Speaker 2: businesses to have flags on the street. Shouldn't that be

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Speaker 2: the way that a council looks at things?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So does your council help your business succeed? Or how

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Speaker 2: is your council hindering your business's success? Because I mean

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Speaker 2: Isn't it to facilitate the businesses such that they can

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Speaker 3: You would think, and maybe I'm being naive here, but

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Speaker 3: I mean it blows my mind. So they're anti business.

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Speaker 3: I mean, are they actually doing anything to help businesses

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they think that they're helping businesses?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they think they're helping businesses by

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Speaker 2: because you wouldn't sorely surely they're not just some kind

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Speaker 2: on some crusade. I mean, you couldn't make a plan,

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Speaker 2: business here, but a number of businesses, shops, whatever. You

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you can see some rationale with what the

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. But also if you're a

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Speaker 3: are they hindering you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking

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Speaker 3: shop in the Tasman District was told they can't have

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Speaker 3: the bylaw that they put in about twelve months ago.

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Speaker 3: But the business owner says nothing wrong with the flag.

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Speaker 3: It actually brings in a lot of business and shouldn't

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Speaker 3: councils be there to assist businesses in a central business district.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for all those people saying, as someone said, if

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Speaker 2: the flag and its pole scratched up marks, he's Mike.

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Speaker 2: Mike's aston Martin, he'd have a different view or worse

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Speaker 2: if someone got hurt. I mean some how badly can

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Speaker 2: you get hurt by a little flappy sign that says cafe.

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Speaker 2: I mean if you're getting hurt by that, then you're

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Speaker 2: going to be hurt by a whole lot of things.

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Speaker 2: And the text that sent that through doesn't have any

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Speaker 2: or how much damage it could do to anything. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that flag could damage my dog Colin.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 2: But also, as has pointed out, the pavement is two

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Speaker 2: and a half meters wide. Yeah, there's room. So more

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Speaker 2: of the question is shouldn't the council come and go

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Speaker 2: oh into the cafe and say is that flag helping

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Speaker 2: you get business? And you go yeah, okay, Well let's

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Speaker 2: see if we can find a way that works for

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Speaker 2: both of us, that we can keep a sign out

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Speaker 2: on the street that gets business in such a way

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Speaker 2: that it fulfills you know, what we need and what

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Speaker 2: you need, as opposed to just taking it away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd think that would have been a smart strategy

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be the mentality that would be helpful the sign.

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Speaker 2: But you know he says that they go, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. Well, maybe we need to get more signs.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the council needs to get involved in facilitating these

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Speaker 3: Subsidized signs abs totally. But what do you say, Oh,

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Speaker 8: Well, you've answered your own question and away. You mentioned

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Speaker 8: and that council was the flag. It's just another example

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Speaker 9: Go out there and get it.

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: genuine question here. Can you think of what the rationale

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Speaker 3: There must be a rationale. They're not doing it just

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Speaker 10: We've just got this syndrome now with it that the

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Speaker 11: All it is.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting idea.

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Speaker 2: You go home from work after that and you go, oh,

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Speaker 3: Well, or did you buy a coffee?

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Speaker 2: Was it blocking the street?

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Speaker 3: Craig, you're a good man. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got to stop there, didn't he? It is

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Speaker 2: Deviital Day is just around the corner Friday, August twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: This s deeffle to day, this Daffodil Day. Your donation

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Speaker 2: So we're yellow by a daffodil and show your support.

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Speaker 3: But if you can go one step further.

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Speaker 2: Make a donation because every daffodil, every dollar, and every

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Speaker 3: It's about here, it's about hope, and it's about standing

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Speaker 2: Let's make every daffidil count with A and Z. Text

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 6: Breakfast tariffs are fifteen percent worse than places like the

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Speaker 13: Look, I'm not going there to get the tariffreight off

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Speaker 3: ZB Afternoon to you. It's twenty five past one. Our

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Speaker 2: This guy makes an interesting point high teen the only

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Speaker 2: do you want flags everywhere? That's from Jason. That reminds

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Speaker 3: Begger the better. Yeah, yeah, that was a great episode. Stu,

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Speaker 11: Good? Thanks on the subject of council and their regulations

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I've got.

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Speaker 11: The territory hotel would rung up that other show, that's

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Speaker 11: so we've taken over doing it all ourselves. We've banned

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Speaker 3: How do you do it by yourself to if you're

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but the regulations, a lot of them are a

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Speaker 11: you just shut down. The thing is, the good things

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Speaker 3: Good luck with that steet. Sounds like a massive headache

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Speaker 2: Here's the opposite side of the argument. I'm a compliance

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Speaker 2: It's not obstructing the street, but it is breaking a

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Speaker 3: They go to you, should we question the by law?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Or if you come through and you say, use

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Speaker 2: It's not going to restrict anyone from getting down the street.

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Speaker 2: So I'll just walk on by, yep, in the two

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Speaker 3: That would be common sense, wouldn't that. But keen to

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Speaker 14: to Matson Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wendy, so our council's hindery NOI

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Speaker 3: helping city business is a great person to discuss this

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Speaker 3: with a Simon Bridges. He's the CEO of the Auckland

440
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Speaker 3: Chamber of Commerce and joins us on the line. Now Simon,

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Speaker 3: get out of.

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Speaker 2: You, gentlemen.

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Speaker 15: First time called a long time listener. It's very exciting

444
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Speaker 15: to be on your show where it's my wife will

445
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Speaker 15: be listening. She's always listening. I haven't even told her

446
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Speaker 15: because I'm confidence she is listening and getting wound up

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Speaker 15: by whatever it is you ared. Well, I know what

448
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Speaker 15: you're talking about. But what you've been talking about, Oh.

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Speaker 2: That's great to hear. We've got the We've got well

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Speaker 2: a lot of the Bridges family online. This is fantastic

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Speaker 2: for us. So we're just getting the children at school

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Speaker 2: aren't listening, but you never know.

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Speaker 15: I mean he's very educated. They probably learned as much

454
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Speaker 15: from this show as being an Auckland Grammar and Drew

455
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Speaker 15: other anyway, love.

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Speaker 2: It, so do you think Because we're really talking about

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Speaker 2: the atitude of councils and this falls under your remit

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Speaker 2: not the particular council we're talking about. But do you

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Speaker 2: think counsels are business minded? Do you think they go

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Speaker 2: into interactions with businesses saying how can we facilitate what

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Speaker 2: will help you do business? Or do you think that

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Speaker 2: they go into these interactions and say, well, there's a

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Speaker 2: by law, let's shut this down.

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Speaker 15: I think it's complicated in this way. I think the

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Speaker 15: mayor and the council is, you know, buy and large.

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Speaker 15: There will be an exception.

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Speaker 16: I think they get it right.

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Speaker 15: I think if you're talking to them, they say, you

469
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Speaker 15: know what, we want to find a solution for you.

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Speaker 15: We're outcome, folks, We're going to try.

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Speaker 17: And do this.

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Speaker 15: I think what happens in a lot of councils, and

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Speaker 15: bearing mind, it's not all their fault, right, I've got

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Speaker 15: some sympathy for counsels. They've had more and more obligations

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Speaker 15: placed on them by bi central government. Basically, they can't

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Speaker 15: do anything right. They're being asked to be all things

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Speaker 15: from more people, and it's a somewhat broken system. I

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Speaker 15: think for lots of reasons I could give you, but

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Speaker 15: what happens is I believe, and I'm not trying to

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Speaker 15: offend anyone who's listening. There is who's from middle management

481
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Speaker 15: and council who shouldn't be listening, by the way, they

482
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Speaker 15: should be doing some work. But but but but at

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Speaker 15: middle management you've got a level of sort of actually

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Speaker 15: quite powerful, unaccountable officials, not the guys and girls at

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Speaker 15: the top either either on the on the elected council

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Speaker 15: of the council. And they want to be enabling, but

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Speaker 15: I think underneath that and and they will often be

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Speaker 15: you know, experts in their their little fife team, right,

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Speaker 15: and and you know, they just I just don't know

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Speaker 15: that they are service oriented enough that they have enough

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Speaker 15: empathy sympathy for for business people, which by which we're

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Speaker 15: not necessarily talking fon terror or spark, right, we're talking

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Speaker 15: about semes. It's ninety seven percent of our businesses and

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Speaker 15: and and for which it's really hard, right because time

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Speaker 15: and cost for them aren't free. They're they're they're they're

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Speaker 15: they're very significant things. And anything that dealing with counsel

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Speaker 15: make a long time when it's uncertain, when it's a

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Speaker 15: bit officious, that that's a real impost on smme.

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Speaker 2: You know, in a company, you might have your core

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Speaker 2: values or the principles of your company. Do you think

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Speaker 2: they've got those right councils? Do you think they're telling

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Speaker 2: these middle management people? You know, your job is to

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Speaker 2: find a way for businesses on an individual interaction level,

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Speaker 2: find a way for businesses to succeed. So if you

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Speaker 2: come across a business, they've got a flag on a street,

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Speaker 2: and this might seem not not the biggest issue in

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Speaker 2: the world, but I think it goes slightly deep in

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Speaker 2: that you see a flag on the street, the pavements

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Speaker 2: two and a half meters wide, You go and you

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Speaker 2: talk to the guy, and he says, well, that's how

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Speaker 2: you know this is really helping us survive. Then your

512
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Speaker 2: core principle would be instead of I'm taking the flag

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Speaker 2: away and not even buying a coffee, your core principle

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Speaker 2: here is how can we make this work for you?

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Speaker 2: What can we do? Can I spend some time to

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Speaker 2: maybe secure the flag so it doesn't cause problems for people,

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Speaker 2: or you know, you know kind of know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 15: So yeah, I mean I think seriously, it's it's brilliant

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Speaker 15: not being in politics, right because I actually haven't read

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Speaker 15: this story yet, but I'm going to comment on anyway.

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Speaker 8: But my vibe.

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Speaker 15: But my vibe of it right, and it is a vibe.

523
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Speaker 15: And remember I was a lawyer a long time ago.

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Speaker 15: Just want to put that in their team. I'm surprised

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Speaker 15: by I would have thought strictly speaking, legally they can

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Speaker 15: have a by law, but it would be highly challengeable

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Speaker 15: under the Bill of Rights or something. I just think,

528
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Speaker 15: you know, in the end, people have freedoms in this country.

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Speaker 15: We're not. We're liberal democracy, and I'm sort of surprised

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Speaker 15: by what I understand the case or the facts of

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Speaker 15: that to be. And I would have looked counsel, you know,

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Speaker 15: it needs to be a bit careful.

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Speaker 2: In this this kind of area.

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Speaker 15: Look to answer your question, No, I don't think in

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Speaker 15: terms of their values and purposes, counsels are sufficiently service

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Speaker 15: outcome oriented or business like in the way they approach things.

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Speaker 15: I will come back to it, though, because lest I

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Speaker 15: get sort of you know, I'm with the W. Wilson

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Speaker 15: actually the See of Aukland Council later today, and he's

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Speaker 15: a really good guy. But less that, you know, he's

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Speaker 15: here listening to this and criticizing me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what it would say is.

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Speaker 15: Just remember councils that they are trying to do so

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Speaker 15: many things, and the problem with that is, and I

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Speaker 15: said before, it's a bit of a broken system that

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Speaker 15: I think they end up not being able to do

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Speaker 15: a lot that well. And that's I think the government's

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Speaker 15: actually right to try and get it back to a

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Speaker 15: more streamlined list where we're actually then, as they said

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Speaker 15: from the top, you know what, you're going to do

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Speaker 15: this in a business like, service oriented outcomes focused way.

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Speaker 15: They could do that, but when they're trying to do rubbish,

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Speaker 15: water consents and then seventy nine thousand other things, that

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Speaker 15: that's pretty hopeless.

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Speaker 2: Well, just to give you the facts in the case

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Speaker 2: Summon Bridges, they've come through on nine two nine two

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Speaker 2: on the new newstalks, he'll be text line, which is

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Speaker 2: the absolute pulpit of truth. Yeah, better than Google. Hi guys,

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Speaker 2: I live in Nelson and I go to this cafe regularly.

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Speaker 2: Why path flag they have outside does not impede to

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Speaker 2: obstruct anyone excellent stuff with great service and food. Council

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Speaker 2: needs to back off and get a life. And that's

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Speaker 2: from Wars and I trust was one hundred percent.

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Speaker 16: That's important to know.

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Speaker 5: One.

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Speaker 15: Look, I haven't got the facts entirely and no, no, no,

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Speaker 15: this is a very important what's on the flag are

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Speaker 15: we talking about?

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Speaker 2: We're talking the reason why we've come to use silent.

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Speaker 2: It's because because it's it says coffee, it says this

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Speaker 2: is where you get. It just advertises a stall.

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Speaker 1: That clearly should be illegal.

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Speaker 15: There, clearly, I mean, good grief, what would they what

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Speaker 15: were they thinking?

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Speaker 16: I mean it's and you just think about the time

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Speaker 16: and the costs of the first official going out and

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Speaker 16: then the second, and you just got a sort of

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Speaker 16: wonder as I say, I the mind boggles and.

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Speaker 15: All of this.

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Speaker 16: I just it really does.

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Speaker 2: And so just if you had complete dictorial power and

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Speaker 2: you could you could tell counsels what they could do

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Speaker 2: to help businesses, what would you what would be the

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Speaker 2: main things you would want businesses to do? How many

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Speaker 2: councils to do for businesses like this?

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Speaker 3: Firstly, I would I would have a bye law coffee.

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Speaker 15: Flags everywhere, right, they would just be everywhere exclusively right.

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Speaker 15: But secondly, and actually, you know, being a bit glib,

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Speaker 15: I mean all seriousness and this is a bit glib

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Speaker 15: as well, but you know, I think the main thing

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Speaker 15: is where they can get out of the way, you know, yes, right,

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Speaker 15: it's good to have pressure down on that because they

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Speaker 15: are significant costs for businesses, as much or more than

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Speaker 15: households actually. And then it's just, you know, when we

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Speaker 15: are thinking of in all seriousness, I mean this one

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Speaker 15: and the by law that will be in place here

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Speaker 15: around the flags and the footpath or whatever it is,

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Speaker 15: just when they're thinking about their rules, their rags, their

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Speaker 15: red tape, the green take all manner of things they

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Speaker 15: do just you know, yet, what's what's the outcome of this?

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Speaker 15: What are we trying to achieve? Are we doing more

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Speaker 15: than we need to? Is it going to have unintended consequences?

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Speaker 18: What's the cost?

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Speaker 15: The time impact on business? I mean, these are the

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Speaker 15: sort of things that we'd like to see. And then

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Speaker 15: and then I think, you know, you made a good

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Speaker 15: point around the purposes and values.

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Speaker 2: Just if we can.

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Speaker 15: Somehow top down, bottom up, have have have counsels that

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Speaker 15: are very more empathy, more service ethos, more understanding of

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Speaker 15: business and the time and the cost pressures that are

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Speaker 15: on them, that it go a long way. I could

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Speaker 15: give you examples, I won't because it's slightly unprofessional. Right,

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Speaker 15: I haven't got permission from the people. I'm talking about

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Speaker 15: but of probably this year dozens of cases and instances

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Speaker 15: that come to me from business people, smaller and medium

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Speaker 15: sized business people in Auckland where you know, it's not

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Speaker 15: that the Council has done anything absolutely terrible, but it's

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Speaker 15: just it's just slow. Middle management can be a bit arrogant,

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Speaker 15: it's not solutions oriented and these things can literally put

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Speaker 15: out of business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Simon, really good to chat with you. All the

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Speaker 3: best for the council meeting this afternoon. That's going to

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Speaker 3: be interesting for you.

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Speaker 15: Brilliant, brilliant. No, look, I'll pass on your regards and

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Speaker 15: I might just now draft that coffee flags everywhere by law, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, smart, smart, sir Simon, and see you Natalie and

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Speaker 2: the kids.

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Speaker 3: That is Simon Bridges, the CEO of the Auckland Chamber

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Speaker 3: of Commerce. But keen to get your view, Oh, eight

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty. We've got full lines at the moment.

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Speaker 3: If you can't get through, keep trying. If you've had

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Speaker 3: the flag, your flag taken away by some unruly counsel

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Speaker 3: compliance officer, we want to hear from you. It is

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Speaker 3: seventeen to two matd.

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Speaker 1: Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is fourteen

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 2: Matt, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Get a Matt. We're just having some issues with the

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Speaker 3: phone system there.

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Speaker 2: But stain, my phone doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: Nothing like a bet of there is.

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Speaker 2: We're blaming councils for things not working. My phone doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: It b but Matt, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: You could just blame this Matt and that Matt.

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Speaker 2: It was some kind of Matt on Matt problem. That

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Speaker 2: Matt's course from Matt.

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Speaker 7: Look, so a couple of points. I drive down that

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Speaker 7: street at five point thirty six o'clock every morning, and

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Speaker 7: that sign absolutely stands out and lets you know that

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Speaker 7: place is open. The Testament District Council spent millions of

654
00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:58,413
Speaker 7: dollars reconfiguring that street, and it's so narrow you've got

655
00:31:58,573 --> 00:32:01,373
Speaker 7: to look straight ahead. If you start looking to the

656
00:32:01,493 --> 00:32:03,813
Speaker 7: side to see who's open and who's not, you're gonna

657
00:32:03,933 --> 00:32:07,853
Speaker 7: hit something. And I also, I can stand to be corrected,

658
00:32:07,853 --> 00:32:09,373
Speaker 7: and I'm going to have a look tomorrow morning. But

659
00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:12,693
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure that because the council also put on

660
00:32:12,773 --> 00:32:15,853
Speaker 7: a huge number of big wide planter boxes down that street,

661
00:32:16,333 --> 00:32:19,813
Speaker 7: that that sign is between two planter boxes, so if

662
00:32:20,173 --> 00:32:22,693
Speaker 7: you can't hit the sign without hitting the planter box.

663
00:32:22,773 --> 00:32:25,213
Speaker 7: So I failed to see how it's going to impede anybody.

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Speaker 7: That's just that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

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00:32:30,213 --> 00:32:33,533
Speaker 7: I agree that sign needs to be there. It does

666
00:32:33,693 --> 00:32:36,973
Speaker 7: them good. I'm sure it does. And the fact that

667
00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:40,013
Speaker 7: anyone could say that that is an impediment or is

668
00:32:40,093 --> 00:32:42,693
Speaker 7: going to hurt anybody is just ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: And you're stopping there and buy some coffee.

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00:32:44,973 --> 00:32:50,453
Speaker 7: Mat absolutely good coffee, great coffee, good toasty toasted sandwiches.

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Speaker 5: Ye?

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00:32:51,573 --> 00:32:53,053
Speaker 3: What does he have in the toasty.

673
00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:54,893
Speaker 7: Ham and cheese?

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00:32:55,053 --> 00:32:55,293
Speaker 3: Nice?

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00:32:55,453 --> 00:32:55,613
Speaker 19: Yeah?

676
00:32:55,693 --> 00:32:56,333
Speaker 20: Good onion?

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00:32:56,453 --> 00:32:59,413
Speaker 7: Maybe, But I don't have to talk to somebody too closely.

678
00:33:01,093 --> 00:33:01,253
Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of a This is off topic,

680
00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:07,413
Speaker 2: but cream caught spicy cream corn toasted sandwich.

681
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Speaker 7: Life is if I want to make my wife happy,

682
00:33:10,733 --> 00:33:15,933
Speaker 7: cream corn on Boguls with salt and pepper and tasty cheese.

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Speaker 2: All right, your wife has got I was just trying

684
00:33:18,973 --> 00:33:21,253
Speaker 2: to wake this out, so she's no. I can't work

685
00:33:21,253 --> 00:33:24,373
Speaker 2: about she's got good taste? Well yeah, yeah, And I

686
00:33:24,453 --> 00:33:26,253
Speaker 2: was just saying we're both called Matt and we both

687
00:33:26,373 --> 00:33:27,933
Speaker 2: like that, but I couldn't do the math on how

688
00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:28,453
Speaker 2: that works out.

689
00:33:29,613 --> 00:33:30,813
Speaker 7: You don't want to go too far out.

690
00:33:31,213 --> 00:33:32,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say something in appropriate, but

691
00:33:32,893 --> 00:33:36,653
Speaker 2: it's fantastic. And think if you call Matt and you

692
00:33:36,693 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 2: have a great day.

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Speaker 7: You know, big ups to them. Keep the sign, don't

694
00:33:40,213 --> 00:33:40,653
Speaker 7: back down.

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00:33:40,813 --> 00:33:44,373
Speaker 2: I'm driving down the street virtually right now on Google Maps,

696
00:33:44,693 --> 00:33:46,933
Speaker 2: trying to check out these plunderble and when you see

697
00:33:46,973 --> 00:33:49,613
Speaker 2: how skinny that road is, Yeah, look on what you're

698
00:33:49,613 --> 00:33:53,813
Speaker 2: saying is checking out. I wasn't doubting you chicking out.

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00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:56,253
Speaker 7: Why would have matte down a matte.

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Speaker 2: Exactly? Why would you ring up to tell lies about

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00:34:00,693 --> 00:34:01,333
Speaker 2: Queen Street?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I did say I stand to be corrected, and

703
00:34:04,213 --> 00:34:06,173
Speaker 7: I'll kick it out again tomorrow. But I'm pretty sure

704
00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:08,293
Speaker 7: that that thing is like right by a big plannderble

705
00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:10,933
Speaker 7: that the council put there. So if you hit the

706
00:34:11,093 --> 00:34:14,172
Speaker 7: sign or fall over the sign, you're going to hit

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00:34:14,213 --> 00:34:15,333
Speaker 7: a planner box before you.

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00:34:15,373 --> 00:34:15,773
Speaker 11: Ever do that.

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00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:18,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, and that's sort of

710
00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:21,333
Speaker 2: the wide point, doesn't it. So maybe you have this this, this,

711
00:34:22,213 --> 00:34:24,853
Speaker 2: this by law or whatever, but you look at it

712
00:34:24,893 --> 00:34:26,893
Speaker 2: and go, oh nah, it's actually okay. I'm not going

713
00:34:26,933 --> 00:34:28,133
Speaker 2: to bother with that when I'll go and do something

714
00:34:28,173 --> 00:34:30,053
Speaker 2: else because it seems to be helping this business out

715
00:34:30,053 --> 00:34:31,973
Speaker 2: and that that's fine. It's not actually cooling any problem.

716
00:34:32,013 --> 00:34:34,773
Speaker 2: It's not completely one hundred percent code, But I think

717
00:34:34,813 --> 00:34:36,813
Speaker 2: we'll let that go because it's helping this guy get

718
00:34:36,933 --> 00:34:39,493
Speaker 2: some business. And that's how rates.

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Speaker 7: It's somebody trying to justify their position and create a

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00:34:45,093 --> 00:34:48,493
Speaker 7: job for themselves. There's no reason for anybody to complain

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00:34:48,533 --> 00:34:51,093
Speaker 7: about that sign. That is someone from the council just

722
00:34:51,213 --> 00:34:53,933
Speaker 7: thinking I've got to make myself important. Because if you

723
00:34:53,973 --> 00:34:56,853
Speaker 7: look at it, and if you lambs, you've just done

724
00:34:56,933 --> 00:35:01,732
Speaker 7: you google that street of street view. There's no way

725
00:35:01,813 --> 00:35:05,653
Speaker 7: that sign is ever gonna impede anybody. The road is

726
00:35:05,733 --> 00:35:08,093
Speaker 7: so narrow. Next time you guys come to Nelson, because

727
00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:09,693
Speaker 7: I think, Hyler, you come here a bit, do you

728
00:35:09,893 --> 00:35:10,053
Speaker 7: I do?

729
00:35:10,173 --> 00:35:12,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got family and now some good place, good people.

730
00:35:12,973 --> 00:35:14,773
Speaker 7: Do you drive down Queen Street? Richmond?

731
00:35:14,933 --> 00:35:15,053
Speaker 5: Oh?

732
00:35:15,293 --> 00:35:15,533
Speaker 1: Used to?

733
00:35:15,773 --> 00:35:18,293
Speaker 3: But it is she's pretty busy for Old Richmond, that

734
00:35:18,413 --> 00:35:20,293
Speaker 3: Queen street, doesn't it the traffic? And then they got

735
00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:22,693
Speaker 3: the bloody what are they bumper bars everywhere?

736
00:35:22,813 --> 00:35:26,973
Speaker 7: And I'm not kidding you. They narrowed it up for

737
00:35:27,133 --> 00:35:29,893
Speaker 7: flood protection, so they've sloped the street right down to

738
00:35:29,933 --> 00:35:32,973
Speaker 7: the middle, put a drain down. You've basically got a

739
00:35:33,013 --> 00:35:35,853
Speaker 7: crawl down there at twenty k's. You can't drive fast

740
00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:39,253
Speaker 7: down there, and you can't be looking sideways at who's

741
00:35:39,333 --> 00:35:42,213
Speaker 7: open who's not, So that sign is extremely important for

742
00:35:42,293 --> 00:35:43,573
Speaker 7: that business. Yeah, no doubt.

743
00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:45,413
Speaker 3: How's them all going? By the way, Richmond More is

744
00:35:45,413 --> 00:35:47,053
Speaker 3: still going off? It's good mall that one empty?

745
00:35:47,333 --> 00:35:51,493
Speaker 7: Oh everyone's leaving. The weirdest thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

746
00:35:52,773 --> 00:35:56,493
Speaker 7: They say they're doing a big rebrand and they're re

747
00:35:57,013 --> 00:35:59,373
Speaker 7: doing everything, but there's places that are just closing down

748
00:35:59,453 --> 00:36:00,893
Speaker 7: the front and center. Strangest thing.

749
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Speaker 2: Final question, Matt, do you drive a silver toy Yoda?

750
00:36:10,013 --> 00:36:10,533
Speaker 2: Read four?

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00:36:10,973 --> 00:36:11,293
Speaker 18: All right?

752
00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:15,053
Speaker 7: Okay, just fortunately for me, I don't, all right, because.

753
00:36:14,613 --> 00:36:16,013
Speaker 2: There will have been a huge coincidence because that's what

754
00:36:16,053 --> 00:36:20,613
Speaker 2: I'm following down Queen Street. Thanks for you cool, Matt.

755
00:36:20,653 --> 00:36:22,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, great to chat with you. Oh eight hundred and

756
00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:24,013
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's nine

757
00:36:24,093 --> 00:36:24,533
Speaker 3: to two.

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00:36:25,613 --> 00:36:29,173
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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00:36:29,253 --> 00:36:34,293
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty it's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams. Afternoons NEWSTALKSB.

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00:36:35,173 --> 00:36:38,973
Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is six to two plenty of text

761
00:36:39,093 --> 00:36:42,893
Speaker 3: on this one. Nineteen nine two is that number high team?

762
00:36:42,893 --> 00:36:44,613
Speaker 3: I had to sign outside my property for five years.

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00:36:44,613 --> 00:36:46,933
Speaker 3: About a year ago a group from Auckland Council came

764
00:36:46,973 --> 00:36:49,453
Speaker 3: down the road declaring signs illegal and gave us seven

765
00:36:49,533 --> 00:36:51,653
Speaker 3: days to remove them or face fines. I decided to

766
00:36:51,653 --> 00:36:53,973
Speaker 3: apply for a permit, but now the Council requires approvals

767
00:36:54,053 --> 00:36:57,453
Speaker 3: under the Auckland Council Signage by Law, with a fixed

768
00:36:57,453 --> 00:37:01,573
Speaker 3: annual fee of one thousand, seven hundred and eighty non refundable.

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Speaker 3: It feels like there's one rule for businesses and one

770
00:37:04,693 --> 00:37:06,973
Speaker 3: rule for the council. During election years, the council and

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00:37:07,013 --> 00:37:09,732
Speaker 3: political groups allowed to put up their signs without going

772
00:37:09,813 --> 00:37:12,973
Speaker 3: through this process. Do they also pay the seventeen hundred

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00:37:12,973 --> 00:37:15,813
Speaker 3: dollars per sign? Seems unfair and anty business too many.

774
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:19,213
Speaker 3: Too many decisions are being made by council. People in

775
00:37:19,293 --> 00:37:21,093
Speaker 3: the council who have never run a business and don't

776
00:37:21,133 --> 00:37:23,733
Speaker 3: understand the impact that there's extra costs have what a

777
00:37:23,813 --> 00:37:26,493
Speaker 3: pilava there is. Thank you very much for that, teach Dave.

778
00:37:26,613 --> 00:37:29,333
Speaker 3: We've got a couple of minutes. How are you hey,

779
00:37:29,453 --> 00:37:30,133
Speaker 3: good mate.

780
00:37:30,213 --> 00:37:31,773
Speaker 17: Hey, a bit of a giggle for you guys on

781
00:37:31,853 --> 00:37:33,893
Speaker 17: a Wednesday afternoon about signage.

782
00:37:34,533 --> 00:37:34,732
Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 21: We had a cafe that was on a on off

784
00:37:41,093 --> 00:37:46,773
Speaker 21: the main state of course, and we wanted to get

785
00:37:46,893 --> 00:37:49,053
Speaker 21: signage sort of down on the main drag so.

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Speaker 17: People would turn up the road. And if you if

787
00:37:51,173 --> 00:37:53,653
Speaker 17: you go along on the main highways you can you

788
00:37:53,693 --> 00:37:56,813
Speaker 17: can see these blue signs that say what's up the road,

789
00:37:57,493 --> 00:38:00,773
Speaker 17: like like regional parks and things like that, and I

790
00:38:00,853 --> 00:38:03,453
Speaker 17: know them, Hey know that there's a cafe. Is there's

791
00:38:03,893 --> 00:38:06,613
Speaker 17: a tea cup on a sign yep, And that's how

792
00:38:06,653 --> 00:38:09,172
Speaker 17: you know there's a cafe up there. Well, we went

793
00:38:09,493 --> 00:38:11,853
Speaker 17: went and quiet about all this sort of stuff and

794
00:38:11,933 --> 00:38:13,533
Speaker 17: how do we get a sign down there? And they

795
00:38:13,573 --> 00:38:16,933
Speaker 17: say it's going to cost you a freaking a ship

796
00:38:17,053 --> 00:38:17,652
Speaker 17: ton of money.

797
00:38:17,773 --> 00:38:18,973
Speaker 2: So we went down and.

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00:38:18,973 --> 00:38:21,053
Speaker 17: Had a look at the sign and there was actually

799
00:38:21,053 --> 00:38:23,693
Speaker 17: a room enough for a teacup on there, all the

800
00:38:23,813 --> 00:38:27,893
Speaker 17: right size. So we went and got a reflective sticker

801
00:38:28,693 --> 00:38:32,373
Speaker 17: and stuck it down on there and it was and it.

802
00:38:32,493 --> 00:38:36,653
Speaker 22: Was therefore like for age six months and nothing, you know,

803
00:38:36,933 --> 00:38:38,213
Speaker 22: and it cost us nothing.

804
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:40,773
Speaker 5: And we got people turning up. Oh, we didn't even

805
00:38:40,853 --> 00:38:42,293
Speaker 5: know there was a cafe up here.

806
00:38:42,173 --> 00:38:42,693
Speaker 7: But now we do.

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00:38:42,973 --> 00:38:44,733
Speaker 5: You know, they go chorices.

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00:38:44,813 --> 00:38:45,493
Speaker 8: Man, that's great.

809
00:38:45,973 --> 00:38:48,773
Speaker 17: And next thing we get a thing from the council

810
00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:53,493
Speaker 17: and and they says, well, you can't do that.

811
00:38:54,013 --> 00:38:55,253
Speaker 5: You know, that's legal.

812
00:38:55,373 --> 00:38:57,333
Speaker 18: You can't do that sort of thing. And it's gonna

813
00:38:57,573 --> 00:38:58,013
Speaker 18: we're going.

814
00:38:57,933 --> 00:39:00,453
Speaker 2: To find you or you pay the fee.

815
00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:07,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we're out. Yeah, sorry, we're out of time, mate.

816
00:39:07,133 --> 00:39:09,573
Speaker 3: But that is fantastic. People should be like you, Dave,

817
00:39:09,613 --> 00:39:10,773
Speaker 3: what a great initiative.

818
00:39:10,893 --> 00:39:13,453
Speaker 2: It's the can do key we attitude that we want

819
00:39:13,493 --> 00:39:15,692
Speaker 2: to talk about in the next hour. Absolutely, And can

820
00:39:15,733 --> 00:39:18,053
Speaker 2: I just say coffee on Queen looks like they do

821
00:39:18,133 --> 00:39:22,173
Speaker 2: a fantastic what is this? Oh my god, there's bacon

822
00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:24,093
Speaker 2: in there, there's eggs. Looks delicious.

823
00:39:24,333 --> 00:39:27,133
Speaker 3: Good people, go check out the flag, buy a coffee

824
00:39:27,493 --> 00:39:29,893
Speaker 3: and support them, because that's what we need in this country.

825
00:39:30,013 --> 00:39:30,133
Speaker 11: Right.

826
00:39:30,413 --> 00:39:32,613
Speaker 3: How do we get our mojo back? Have we lost

827
00:39:32,653 --> 00:39:34,573
Speaker 3: our mojo? That is coming up I'll wait underd an

828
00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:36,933
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

829
00:39:37,253 --> 00:39:38,333
Speaker 3: three two two.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

831
00:39:44,293 --> 00:39:46,093
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Dogs.

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00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:46,413
Speaker 11: It'd be.

833
00:39:49,733 --> 00:39:52,373
Speaker 3: Very very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.

834
00:39:52,573 --> 00:39:55,613
Speaker 3: It is seven past two, and as you heard in

835
00:39:55,813 --> 00:39:59,133
Speaker 3: the bulletin, the ocr has been cut by zero point

836
00:39:59,253 --> 00:40:02,133
Speaker 3: twenty five basis points as expected. It's now down to

837
00:40:02,293 --> 00:40:04,933
Speaker 3: three percent. Good news for a lot of people. But

838
00:40:05,093 --> 00:40:07,172
Speaker 3: as we say, it was expected. And we'll be having

839
00:40:07,213 --> 00:40:09,293
Speaker 3: a chet to old Brad soon. He's a good man

840
00:40:09,453 --> 00:40:11,733
Speaker 3: after three o'clock and break that all down, you like.

841
00:40:12,373 --> 00:40:13,613
Speaker 2: I know they were never going to do it, but

842
00:40:13,773 --> 00:40:15,613
Speaker 2: how about a bit of juice in the tank, bit

843
00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:16,133
Speaker 2: of additive.

844
00:40:16,453 --> 00:40:16,893
Speaker 3: Go hard?

845
00:40:17,173 --> 00:40:20,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just go hard, I made they're so worried

846
00:40:20,533 --> 00:40:22,973
Speaker 2: about inflation. Just just go hard. We need something to happen.

847
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:25,533
Speaker 2: We need the economy to start paying. We need we

848
00:40:25,773 --> 00:40:29,733
Speaker 2: need a bit of like a turbo blast into the economy.

849
00:40:29,893 --> 00:40:30,813
Speaker 2: Just risk something.

850
00:40:31,013 --> 00:40:33,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's fifty basic points.

851
00:40:33,373 --> 00:40:33,653
Speaker 2: Let's go.

852
00:40:34,013 --> 00:40:34,212
Speaker 5: Yeah.

853
00:40:34,453 --> 00:40:39,413
Speaker 2: But no it's always some bloody conservative you know too late. Oh,

854
00:40:39,493 --> 00:40:40,772
Speaker 2: let's not going to we'll go into it with bread.

855
00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:43,773
Speaker 2: But we're it's somewhere we're talking about this out but go.

856
00:40:43,933 --> 00:40:44,933
Speaker 3: Hard, go hard.

857
00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:47,453
Speaker 2: It's actually kind of what we're talking about this out.

858
00:40:47,533 --> 00:40:49,373
Speaker 2: It kind of is yeah, go hard or go home.

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00:40:49,453 --> 00:40:51,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are talking about how we get our mojo back.

860
00:40:51,693 --> 00:40:54,013
Speaker 3: But you had a big night last night.

861
00:40:54,213 --> 00:40:55,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is why I want to talk

862
00:40:55,733 --> 00:40:59,453
Speaker 2: about this. So I m c the CIO Awards last night,

863
00:40:59,533 --> 00:41:03,853
Speaker 2: and congratulations to Alexandra Smart from Southern Cross Travel Insurance.

864
00:41:04,613 --> 00:41:06,692
Speaker 2: She took out the CIO of the Year.

865
00:41:06,933 --> 00:41:07,692
Speaker 3: Nice, well done.

866
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:11,173
Speaker 2: And so I was talking to these I was talking

867
00:41:11,213 --> 00:41:15,653
Speaker 2: to these two guys afterwards, and two separate conversations, and

868
00:41:15,693 --> 00:41:18,693
Speaker 2: the Kiwis that have been very successful here and then

869
00:41:18,733 --> 00:41:21,653
Speaker 2: they've gone overseas and they've been very successful overseas, and

870
00:41:21,693 --> 00:41:23,693
Speaker 2: they'd come back to New Zealand and they were just

871
00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:26,613
Speaker 2: talking about looking at opportunities to invest in New Zealand.

872
00:41:27,093 --> 00:41:29,973
Speaker 2: And both of them separately said the same thing that

873
00:41:30,253 --> 00:41:33,893
Speaker 2: the attitude here has changed greatly from what it was

874
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:36,533
Speaker 2: when they left. And these are go getters that have

875
00:41:36,613 --> 00:41:40,253
Speaker 2: gone off and been incredibly successful and coming back here,

876
00:41:40,293 --> 00:41:43,533
Speaker 2: they said. Both of them used the same word, A

877
00:41:43,653 --> 00:41:48,533
Speaker 2: malaise seems to have drifted over New Zealand and overseas.

878
00:41:49,093 --> 00:41:51,053
Speaker 2: One of them has been saying overseas they always have

879
00:41:51,173 --> 00:41:53,893
Speaker 2: been saying to people back home, there's this can do attitude.

880
00:41:53,893 --> 00:41:56,812
Speaker 2: People will find a way to do things. They're going

881
00:41:56,933 --> 00:41:59,853
Speaker 2: for it, They multitask whatever that needs to be done.

882
00:41:59,893 --> 00:42:02,693
Speaker 2: Everyone will muckin to get it done. In the countries

883
00:42:02,693 --> 00:42:04,853
Speaker 2: they are now that they didn't see that kind of attitude,

884
00:42:04,893 --> 00:42:07,893
Speaker 2: they didn't see that that sort of famous Kiwi let's

885
00:42:07,933 --> 00:42:11,413
Speaker 2: get things done, can do kind of attitude. But they've

886
00:42:11,453 --> 00:42:14,732
Speaker 2: come back and they said it seems to have gone.

887
00:42:15,573 --> 00:42:18,893
Speaker 2: And I just thought I feel that as well. Living

888
00:42:18,933 --> 00:42:21,533
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, I feel like there's a malaise. I

889
00:42:21,613 --> 00:42:24,573
Speaker 2: feel there's like a lot of complaining going on and

890
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:29,413
Speaker 2: there's not necessarily a lot of celebration of success going

891
00:42:29,493 --> 00:42:33,813
Speaker 2: on across across our country. So is that the case

892
00:42:34,133 --> 00:42:36,973
Speaker 2: or is this just you know, wherever you are, whatever

893
00:42:37,693 --> 00:42:40,493
Speaker 2: moment in time, you feel like things aren't perfect. Is

894
00:42:40,573 --> 00:42:42,773
Speaker 2: this the case that a malaise has come over the country?

895
00:42:43,853 --> 00:42:45,653
Speaker 2: And if it is, what can we do about it?

896
00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:48,053
Speaker 2: Because if we're going to succeed as a country, we

897
00:42:48,253 --> 00:42:51,813
Speaker 2: need to be firing. We're a tiny little country and

898
00:42:52,013 --> 00:42:54,573
Speaker 2: we need to be punching about our way, because isn't

899
00:42:54,573 --> 00:42:55,773
Speaker 2: that the most of the thing that we get so

900
00:42:55,933 --> 00:42:58,093
Speaker 2: proud of when we hear of the rocket labs, the

901
00:42:58,613 --> 00:43:01,653
Speaker 2: Sir Peter Jackson's, you know, the people that back in

902
00:43:01,733 --> 00:43:05,573
Speaker 2: the day, the Bruce McLaren's, those people that just jump

903
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:09,133
Speaker 2: up and do crazy stuff and bunch above their weight,

904
00:43:09,213 --> 00:43:11,812
Speaker 2: and that makes us excited. But you can be that person.

905
00:43:11,893 --> 00:43:14,493
Speaker 2: If you can punch up above above your weight anywhere,

906
00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:18,213
Speaker 2: definitely anywhere, just in your community and your family and

907
00:43:18,293 --> 00:43:21,813
Speaker 2: your and your in your business and your any any

908
00:43:22,253 --> 00:43:25,333
Speaker 2: sphere you're in, you can. You can be excellent if

909
00:43:25,373 --> 00:43:27,373
Speaker 2: you if you if you have the right attitude right and.

910
00:43:27,413 --> 00:43:29,453
Speaker 3: We always used to have that ability to roll up

911
00:43:29,493 --> 00:43:31,533
Speaker 3: our sleeves. Yes, we've had some tough times and some

912
00:43:31,653 --> 00:43:33,653
Speaker 3: tough years, but not for this long. It's gone on

913
00:43:33,853 --> 00:43:35,733
Speaker 3: for so long, and I agree with you, this gloom

914
00:43:35,773 --> 00:43:38,653
Speaker 3: that's kind of settled on the nation. Where is that

915
00:43:39,013 --> 00:43:41,533
Speaker 3: number eight y mentality? And say, no, bugger this for

916
00:43:41,613 --> 00:43:43,853
Speaker 3: a joke where New Zealander is We're gonna get up

917
00:43:43,893 --> 00:43:45,813
Speaker 3: and start kicking ass. But ken you hear from you,

918
00:43:45,933 --> 00:43:48,573
Speaker 3: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

919
00:43:49,013 --> 00:43:49,212
Speaker 2: Call?

920
00:43:49,373 --> 00:43:52,413
Speaker 3: Have we lost our mojo? Is there a malaise that

921
00:43:52,573 --> 00:43:55,373
Speaker 3: settled on the country? And if there is, how do

922
00:43:55,453 --> 00:43:56,253
Speaker 3: we turn that around?

923
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:56,533
Speaker 2: Really?

924
00:43:56,573 --> 00:43:57,893
Speaker 3: Can you get your thoughts on this one? Oh eight

925
00:43:57,973 --> 00:43:59,773
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call. It

926
00:43:59,933 --> 00:44:01,013
Speaker 3: is eleven past two.

927
00:44:01,493 --> 00:44:05,973
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams.

928
00:44:06,133 --> 00:44:09,813
Speaker 1: Afternoons call oh eight hundred eight you talk.

929
00:44:11,493 --> 00:44:14,652
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons? It is fourteen past two. Is there

930
00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:17,093
Speaker 3: a malayse that settled over the country? And if there is,

931
00:44:17,173 --> 00:44:18,732
Speaker 3: how do we turn that around? How do we get

932
00:44:18,773 --> 00:44:21,173
Speaker 3: back that famous Kiwi mojo that we used to be

933
00:44:21,293 --> 00:44:22,893
Speaker 3: very proud of and I think we're still proud of it.

934
00:44:23,173 --> 00:44:26,293
Speaker 3: But no, well, in my opinion anyway, we've certainly lost it.

935
00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:30,933
Speaker 2: Here we go. This is texta a malaise, classic chat only.

936
00:44:31,093 --> 00:44:35,652
Speaker 2: If you think business success or innovation are important, why

937
00:44:35,813 --> 00:44:38,613
Speaker 2: do we need to be pulling our country in that direction?

938
00:44:38,813 --> 00:44:43,133
Speaker 2: I have mojo, I haven't innovated. I don't do anything

939
00:44:43,293 --> 00:44:47,212
Speaker 2: to make money specifically, that's not how you spell that word.

940
00:44:48,493 --> 00:44:52,172
Speaker 2: It's always a business focus with you people. Yeah, well,

941
00:44:52,853 --> 00:44:56,573
Speaker 2: I mean, but it wasn't I'm not saying I'm saying

942
00:44:56,613 --> 00:45:00,333
Speaker 2: that the malays is across everything. There's a there's and

943
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:03,732
Speaker 2: maybe it's across the entire world. I don't know. Maybe

944
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:06,293
Speaker 2: it's something that social media is doing to us, but

945
00:45:06,573 --> 00:45:08,973
Speaker 2: there just feels like a Malay. And I don't think

946
00:45:09,013 --> 00:45:12,373
Speaker 2: it's just around innovation and business. I think there's just

947
00:45:12,453 --> 00:45:17,453
Speaker 2: a general layer of winginess over everything.

948
00:45:17,253 --> 00:45:19,213
Speaker 3: Lack of motivation. Oh one hundred and eighteen eighties and

949
00:45:19,253 --> 00:45:19,573
Speaker 3: number to.

950
00:45:19,613 --> 00:45:22,252
Speaker 2: Call, Welcome the show, Jude Hi.

951
00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:25,533
Speaker 23: Matt Hi Tyler. Look, they're Malais in this country. I'm

952
00:45:25,653 --> 00:45:28,373
Speaker 23: very positive and I feel positive and I go out

953
00:45:28,373 --> 00:45:30,212
Speaker 23: and I look at this beautiful country.

954
00:45:29,933 --> 00:45:30,293
Speaker 7: We live in.

955
00:45:30,653 --> 00:45:33,493
Speaker 23: And all you ever hear on the radio now is

956
00:45:33,573 --> 00:45:38,693
Speaker 23: this negative, negative, negative. Everyone's moaning about something. And you know,

957
00:45:38,893 --> 00:45:41,933
Speaker 23: to be honest, I used to watch TVNZ, but you know,

958
00:45:42,093 --> 00:45:45,133
Speaker 23: Mikey Sherman's totally put me off, which she just drives

959
00:45:45,253 --> 00:45:48,293
Speaker 23: me nuts with the negativity. And the other thing is

960
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:50,893
Speaker 23: the Herald. You pick the Herald up in the morning

961
00:45:50,973 --> 00:45:54,733
Speaker 23: front page. Negative, negative, negative, you know it's I just

962
00:45:54,813 --> 00:45:57,253
Speaker 23: get angry because we are so lucky to live in

963
00:45:57,333 --> 00:46:00,973
Speaker 23: this country and I've traveled been to Australia. Loved Australia,

964
00:46:01,293 --> 00:46:04,013
Speaker 23: but New Zealand is far better and we need to

965
00:46:04,093 --> 00:46:08,173
Speaker 23: get up our mojo and start getting people on the radio,

966
00:46:08,533 --> 00:46:12,253
Speaker 23: journalists making things positive instead of always dragging the government

967
00:46:12,373 --> 00:46:16,333
Speaker 23: down or dragging something down. That's how I feel, you know,

968
00:46:16,453 --> 00:46:18,173
Speaker 23: and I think the best way to do it is,

969
00:46:19,053 --> 00:46:23,053
Speaker 23: you know, surround yourself with positive people, because honestly, it

970
00:46:23,213 --> 00:46:25,773
Speaker 23: does make me angry because New Zealanders never used to

971
00:46:25,853 --> 00:46:28,733
Speaker 23: be like that. They always used to be positive and uplifting.

972
00:46:29,293 --> 00:46:32,893
Speaker 23: But I personally blame I think I do blame a

973
00:46:32,933 --> 00:46:36,813
Speaker 23: lot of it on the journalists and the newspapers and

974
00:46:36,933 --> 00:46:37,493
Speaker 23: things today.

975
00:46:37,853 --> 00:46:40,213
Speaker 2: I think there might be an augment, though, Jude, that

976
00:46:41,653 --> 00:46:43,733
Speaker 2: what's printed and what comes out in the media is

977
00:46:43,853 --> 00:46:50,853
Speaker 2: what people click on, so the negative stuff sells. Maybe

978
00:46:50,893 --> 00:46:52,973
Speaker 2: there's something inherently wrong with all of us, and we

979
00:46:53,053 --> 00:46:56,692
Speaker 2: could change our mindsets and get more excited and more

980
00:46:56,773 --> 00:47:00,013
Speaker 2: focused on and spend our energy clicking and reading things

981
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:03,333
Speaker 2: that are positive, and then that would motivate the change

982
00:47:03,853 --> 00:47:06,613
Speaker 2: from below rather than above, if you get what I'm saying.

983
00:47:06,653 --> 00:47:08,493
Speaker 2: Because they don't put it, they don't put it, they

984
00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:10,973
Speaker 2: don't put out stories because they're not popular. They put

985
00:47:10,973 --> 00:47:14,053
Speaker 2: out the stories to be popular, and negative stories seem

986
00:47:14,093 --> 00:47:15,013
Speaker 2: to be popular at the moment.

987
00:47:16,213 --> 00:47:19,293
Speaker 23: Well, they probably do because people have found been pushed

988
00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:21,613
Speaker 23: down to feeling that way. But you know, I look

989
00:47:21,653 --> 00:47:23,333
Speaker 23: at the Herald and I read the front page and

990
00:47:23,413 --> 00:47:25,893
Speaker 23: I think, right, turn it over, go to the back page.

991
00:47:25,973 --> 00:47:28,933
Speaker 23: Read the all Blacks of one yay makes you positive?

992
00:47:29,093 --> 00:47:30,853
Speaker 23: You know, I don't care what it's the All Blacks,

993
00:47:30,893 --> 00:47:34,252
Speaker 23: the warriors or wherever they are, anybody that's doing anything good.

994
00:47:34,573 --> 00:47:36,973
Speaker 23: And the paper this morning two young men down there

995
00:47:37,053 --> 00:47:40,893
Speaker 23: and down the South Island selling whiskey or goodness knows what,

996
00:47:41,253 --> 00:47:43,652
Speaker 23: but they're doing really, really well. And that's the sort

997
00:47:43,693 --> 00:47:46,293
Speaker 23: of things we want to hear about, not all this crap.

998
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:49,893
Speaker 23: And I can honestly say you two have made when

999
00:47:49,933 --> 00:47:52,693
Speaker 23: I listen to the radio, I really enjoy it because

1000
00:47:52,733 --> 00:47:56,373
Speaker 23: you make things a little bit more buoyant and lighthearted,

1001
00:47:56,413 --> 00:47:58,613
Speaker 23: and that's what we need. We don't need all this

1002
00:47:58,813 --> 00:48:01,453
Speaker 23: heavy stuff, you know, I believe that's how I feel.

1003
00:48:01,493 --> 00:48:05,773
Speaker 2: Anyway, You've made me feel buoyant and lighthearted with you

1004
00:48:05,893 --> 00:48:08,013
Speaker 2: saying that, Joe, thank you, thank you so much. There

1005
00:48:08,133 --> 00:48:12,453
Speaker 2: was did the herold did try And they're still doing it,

1006
00:48:12,533 --> 00:48:16,133
Speaker 2: I believe called on the upp where they started. They

1007
00:48:16,173 --> 00:48:19,133
Speaker 2: started printing the stories, positive stories about people out there.

1008
00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:21,213
Speaker 2: I'll be interested to see what the numbers were like

1009
00:48:21,293 --> 00:48:21,493
Speaker 2: on that.

1010
00:48:21,693 --> 00:48:26,293
Speaker 23: Because you know, well up with you read the first

1011
00:48:26,373 --> 00:48:28,173
Speaker 23: page and that makes you down. Then you go to

1012
00:48:28,293 --> 00:48:31,172
Speaker 23: the second, third, and fourth, and then someone's done something

1013
00:48:31,213 --> 00:48:33,013
Speaker 23: and then you probably get to you on the up

1014
00:48:33,093 --> 00:48:35,573
Speaker 23: on the fifth page. By that time you're so down

1015
00:48:35,693 --> 00:48:38,493
Speaker 23: that you've got to put yourself up. But anyway, you two,

1016
00:48:38,773 --> 00:48:42,933
Speaker 23: please keep Honestly, you're just a breath of fresh air,

1017
00:48:43,093 --> 00:48:44,973
Speaker 23: you really are. And I love Mike in the morning.

1018
00:48:44,973 --> 00:48:47,493
Speaker 23: I don't listen to a lot of it because he's not,

1019
00:48:47,733 --> 00:48:49,613
Speaker 23: you know, in the morning, but when I do, he's

1020
00:48:49,733 --> 00:48:52,373
Speaker 23: on the up and it drives nuts as well.

1021
00:48:53,653 --> 00:48:55,573
Speaker 2: Well, dude, you're on the app. So thank you so

1022
00:48:55,693 --> 00:48:56,212
Speaker 2: much for your call.

1023
00:48:56,293 --> 00:48:58,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1024
00:48:58,933 --> 00:49:00,853
Speaker 3: number to call. Love to get your thoughts on this.

1025
00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:03,853
Speaker 3: There's plenty of texts coming through as well.

1026
00:49:05,213 --> 00:49:07,772
Speaker 2: That one's whoa whoa.

1027
00:49:08,853 --> 00:49:10,773
Speaker 3: Seem so that one that was juicy, well.

1028
00:49:10,733 --> 00:49:12,373
Speaker 2: The one the one I put up there to read

1029
00:49:12,493 --> 00:49:14,573
Speaker 2: was a boy that was you see if I read

1030
00:49:14,613 --> 00:49:15,893
Speaker 2: that that could have been a career end of the

1031
00:49:16,013 --> 00:49:19,253
Speaker 2: tiler to throw that at you, I really threw met

1032
00:49:19,333 --> 00:49:23,613
Speaker 2: under the bus there. Did I put that one in?

1033
00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:25,373
Speaker 2: I think I put that one into, which, just as

1034
00:49:25,493 --> 00:49:27,573
Speaker 2: Jude is saying, yeah, you guys doing a great job,

1035
00:49:27,653 --> 00:49:28,013
Speaker 2: I could have.

1036
00:49:28,093 --> 00:49:32,373
Speaker 3: Just all right. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eight

1037
00:49:32,453 --> 00:49:34,333
Speaker 3: year is the number to call. It's nineteen past two.

1038
00:49:38,333 --> 00:49:41,973
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

1039
00:49:42,253 --> 00:49:43,693
Speaker 1: eighty on news Talk z BE.

1040
00:49:43,933 --> 00:49:45,172
Speaker 3: It's twenty two past two.

1041
00:49:45,453 --> 00:49:48,253
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I should have seen the lack of malaise

1042
00:49:48,373 --> 00:49:52,573
Speaker 2: after cyclone. Gabrielle inventions and ideas that were so innovative.

1043
00:49:52,613 --> 00:49:56,493
Speaker 2: People appearing from nowhere to help, donations, dinner clubs. The

1044
00:49:56,733 --> 00:49:59,173
Speaker 2: complaints are the loudest as the rest. Just get on

1045
00:49:59,293 --> 00:50:02,172
Speaker 2: with it, Sam, Yeah, see that. That's an interesting point.

1046
00:50:02,173 --> 00:50:04,813
Speaker 2: It's kind of that principle of the obstacle is the

1047
00:50:05,253 --> 00:50:10,373
Speaker 2: is the way, and so sometimes when you have a massive,

1048
00:50:10,733 --> 00:50:13,333
Speaker 2: you know, a disaster, in that case, people have to

1049
00:50:13,373 --> 00:50:17,493
Speaker 2: step up and the task ahead of you is very

1050
00:50:17,533 --> 00:50:19,653
Speaker 2: clear and what you have to do, and then the

1051
00:50:19,853 --> 00:50:22,333
Speaker 2: really good, strong people step up and make a difference

1052
00:50:22,373 --> 00:50:25,013
Speaker 2: for people because they know what to do, they know

1053
00:50:25,053 --> 00:50:27,373
Speaker 2: there's something to do and they can help and they

1054
00:50:27,493 --> 00:50:30,453
Speaker 2: do it. You kind of get into these situations of

1055
00:50:30,653 --> 00:50:35,853
Speaker 2: malaise happen where people don't really know how to fight

1056
00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:36,493
Speaker 2: the good fight.

1057
00:50:37,013 --> 00:50:37,213
Speaker 14: You know.

1058
00:50:37,373 --> 00:50:39,693
Speaker 2: We say we need to you know, sort New Zealand's

1059
00:50:40,453 --> 00:50:43,173
Speaker 2: economy out, we need to innovate, we need to do

1060
00:50:43,293 --> 00:50:46,013
Speaker 2: more stuff, but people don't know which direction to go,

1061
00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:49,252
Speaker 2: and they don't they're just sort of fathing around looking

1062
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:49,933
Speaker 2: for a purpose.

1063
00:50:50,253 --> 00:50:51,893
Speaker 3: But they need a leader, right because it can be

1064
00:50:51,973 --> 00:50:55,292
Speaker 3: contagious in those disaster scenarios. When you've got those people

1065
00:50:55,373 --> 00:50:58,053
Speaker 3: in the community who step up, that becomes contagious. Can

1066
00:50:58,093 --> 00:51:01,053
Speaker 3: you think, actually I can help this feller out. I

1067
00:51:01,093 --> 00:51:01,813
Speaker 3: think that's a big.

1068
00:51:01,693 --> 00:51:02,013
Speaker 22: Part of it.

1069
00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:06,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Welcome to the show, Chris. You're from

1070
00:51:07,133 --> 00:51:08,253
Speaker 2: You are in Australia right now.

1071
00:51:09,693 --> 00:51:14,653
Speaker 20: I am in Australia. I'm a kiv calling home And

1072
00:51:15,213 --> 00:51:19,453
Speaker 20: there's a very big similarity between the two countries at

1073
00:51:19,493 --> 00:51:23,172
Speaker 20: the moment in terms of how things are going. There's

1074
00:51:23,213 --> 00:51:28,693
Speaker 20: a lot comparable. But from what I've seen, the mojo

1075
00:51:29,133 --> 00:51:34,732
Speaker 20: in New Zealand is there. But media they always bring

1076
00:51:34,893 --> 00:51:40,252
Speaker 20: up like social issues or problems, and they always bring

1077
00:51:40,493 --> 00:51:45,053
Speaker 20: down the energy and people. If you listen to them,

1078
00:51:46,653 --> 00:51:49,013
Speaker 20: they report from the bad things a lot more than

1079
00:51:49,053 --> 00:51:51,693
Speaker 20: they do the good because yes, it's or you know,

1080
00:51:51,813 --> 00:51:55,293
Speaker 20: it's it's an emergency and this is the problem. But

1081
00:51:55,813 --> 00:51:59,493
Speaker 20: I think we do need to in the media like

1082
00:51:59,973 --> 00:52:06,053
Speaker 20: broadcast success stories more because New Zealand is doing so

1083
00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:10,693
Speaker 20: well in some industry is and it's a minority of

1084
00:52:10,813 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 20: people in the country that aren't doing well. But the

1085
00:52:13,533 --> 00:52:17,333
Speaker 20: minority of the people are getting the majority of the

1086
00:52:17,453 --> 00:52:21,773
Speaker 20: coverage and it's up to them and the adult lives

1087
00:52:22,333 --> 00:52:24,853
Speaker 20: and the abilities.

1088
00:52:24,373 --> 00:52:25,293
Speaker 1: To get out of that.

1089
00:52:25,733 --> 00:52:28,733
Speaker 20: You can't sit on your bum and say, oh, my

1090
00:52:28,933 --> 00:52:31,653
Speaker 20: life's bad, But how about you go and do something

1091
00:52:31,693 --> 00:52:32,053
Speaker 20: about that.

1092
00:52:32,893 --> 00:52:33,573
Speaker 8: You know, I did that.

1093
00:52:33,733 --> 00:52:35,853
Speaker 20: I moved to Australia, I own my own home of

1094
00:52:35,973 --> 00:52:36,413
Speaker 20: forty one.

1095
00:52:37,613 --> 00:52:39,613
Speaker 2: Oh that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't help, That doesn't

1096
00:52:39,653 --> 00:52:42,933
Speaker 2: help out, That doesn't have help out. Mojo, Chris, can

1097
00:52:42,973 --> 00:52:44,493
Speaker 2: I have a slice of that when you sell the

1098
00:52:44,533 --> 00:52:46,733
Speaker 2: good people like you that have mojo.

1099
00:52:47,893 --> 00:52:52,293
Speaker 20: Boys gentlemen one of his Cantabrians. So he's just I

1100
00:52:53,373 --> 00:52:54,933
Speaker 20: did what I had to do to get a hit,

1101
00:52:56,093 --> 00:52:58,613
Speaker 20: and so that's the mojo and when I retire, I

1102
00:52:58,733 --> 00:53:01,733
Speaker 20: won't move back home with my money by a cheaper

1103
00:53:01,813 --> 00:53:04,333
Speaker 20: house and I will spend that money in that economy.

1104
00:53:04,733 --> 00:53:05,373
Speaker 18: Will come home.

1105
00:53:05,773 --> 00:53:08,973
Speaker 2: Well, god on you, but you get what I'm saying though, Chris.

1106
00:53:09,133 --> 00:53:11,053
Speaker 2: That great for you and good on you, and you've

1107
00:53:11,093 --> 00:53:12,853
Speaker 2: got to do what you've got to do, and looking

1108
00:53:12,893 --> 00:53:15,093
Speaker 2: forward to you coming home. But there is a bit

1109
00:53:15,093 --> 00:53:17,093
Speaker 2: of a problem that some of our brightest and best

1110
00:53:17,253 --> 00:53:21,293
Speaker 2: like you, that have that ambition and have you know,

1111
00:53:21,333 --> 00:53:24,573
Speaker 2: a skill set, will will have to go and and

1112
00:53:26,293 --> 00:53:29,773
Speaker 2: you know express that in Australia, if you see what

1113
00:53:29,853 --> 00:53:32,013
Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of part of the problem.

1114
00:53:33,173 --> 00:53:35,772
Speaker 20: Yeah, in a way it is, because you know, there's

1115
00:53:35,853 --> 00:53:38,653
Speaker 20: only so many good jobs, right and then there's the

1116
00:53:38,773 --> 00:53:41,333
Speaker 20: other ones, and a lot of them are being taken

1117
00:53:41,413 --> 00:53:43,573
Speaker 20: up by the new immigrants and the new New Yanders

1118
00:53:43,613 --> 00:53:47,133
Speaker 20: that are coming through. And it's just a part of

1119
00:53:47,213 --> 00:53:50,692
Speaker 20: the economic cycle that's existed for over one hundred years.

1120
00:53:52,173 --> 00:53:54,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, yeah, I mean it's spot on.

1121
00:53:54,813 --> 00:53:57,413
Speaker 3: And I think you know, whether it's always been a

1122
00:53:57,493 --> 00:54:00,013
Speaker 3: part of our psyche a little bit, but there does.

1123
00:54:00,213 --> 00:54:04,693
Speaker 3: It's more profound now. The people who don't want to

1124
00:54:04,853 --> 00:54:08,133
Speaker 3: try and make a better situation for themselves and that

1125
00:54:08,493 --> 00:54:11,373
Speaker 3: is a critical element of getting a head as taking

1126
00:54:11,413 --> 00:54:14,253
Speaker 3: that personal responsibility. My life is a bit crap at

1127
00:54:14,293 --> 00:54:17,173
Speaker 3: the moment. What can I do? How can I better myself?

1128
00:54:17,613 --> 00:54:20,293
Speaker 3: And that's the frustrating part is when people say that

1129
00:54:20,373 --> 00:54:22,373
Speaker 3: the government's got to bail them out or someone else

1130
00:54:22,493 --> 00:54:24,173
Speaker 3: is going to help me here, because it's not fair.

1131
00:54:24,693 --> 00:54:28,133
Speaker 3: Life is not fair. Do something to turn your life around.

1132
00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:32,093
Speaker 20: Life is not fair at all. Its never has been

1133
00:54:32,173 --> 00:54:33,692
Speaker 20: for anyone unless you're the King.

1134
00:54:33,653 --> 00:54:37,453
Speaker 2: Of England, you know, and and then there was a

1135
00:54:37,493 --> 00:54:39,652
Speaker 2: good chance you're about to be poisoned or you were

1136
00:54:39,693 --> 00:54:42,692
Speaker 2: going to die of some horrific Kings of England didn't

1137
00:54:42,693 --> 00:54:44,573
Speaker 2: have it that great back in the day.

1138
00:54:44,813 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 20: No, no, but go back to the fact that like

1139
00:54:49,173 --> 00:54:51,373
Speaker 20: if you're if you feel trapped in a little box

1140
00:54:51,453 --> 00:54:54,213
Speaker 20: and you can't get a hit, you know, like have

1141
00:54:54,373 --> 00:54:58,733
Speaker 20: a look out there, like move from say Crossish to Auckland,

1142
00:54:59,053 --> 00:55:02,053
Speaker 20: you know, as you have and and you know, like

1143
00:55:02,733 --> 00:55:05,013
Speaker 20: thro seed with your career and development. And that's what

1144
00:55:05,173 --> 00:55:09,013
Speaker 20: people need to do. And people that are successful, like yourself,

1145
00:55:09,493 --> 00:55:12,733
Speaker 20: they do these things because they want to better themselves.

1146
00:55:13,253 --> 00:55:14,933
Speaker 20: And if you're going to sit there and wait for

1147
00:55:15,053 --> 00:55:16,093
Speaker 20: someone else to give you.

1148
00:55:16,133 --> 00:55:16,613
Speaker 18: A hand up.

1149
00:55:16,893 --> 00:55:19,533
Speaker 20: You're the ones that are making the statistics for the

1150
00:55:19,613 --> 00:55:23,293
Speaker 20: government and winging, and that winging in public to other

1151
00:55:23,373 --> 00:55:27,413
Speaker 20: people drags down the community spirit because you chose not

1152
00:55:27,813 --> 00:55:30,973
Speaker 20: to do something with your one life you've got m.

1153
00:55:31,733 --> 00:55:33,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe there needs to be more of

1154
00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:39,093
Speaker 2: a social cost for winging, you know, I reckon it's a.

1155
00:55:39,133 --> 00:55:40,293
Speaker 20: Dollar, a fine, a.

1156
00:55:42,413 --> 00:55:43,133
Speaker 9: Very pub.

1157
00:55:44,573 --> 00:55:47,693
Speaker 20: And it goes into the healthcare, into people and nurses.

1158
00:55:48,933 --> 00:55:51,373
Speaker 2: Ideas that have got your head in life, chris see,

1159
00:55:51,413 --> 00:55:53,093
Speaker 2: because I think I think part of the problem with

1160
00:55:53,253 --> 00:55:56,613
Speaker 2: it is people, you know, you say life is not fair,

1161
00:55:57,093 --> 00:55:58,973
Speaker 2: and it was the theme to Malcolm in the Middle,

1162
00:55:59,293 --> 00:56:03,213
Speaker 2: life is not fair. So it's it's all in our heads.

1163
00:56:03,693 --> 00:56:05,853
Speaker 2: But I think that it's there. It's who you look at.

1164
00:56:05,973 --> 00:56:08,253
Speaker 2: So you go a lot of people and we talk

1165
00:56:08,373 --> 00:56:10,333
Speaker 2: about this a lot or Instagram going why don't I

1166
00:56:10,413 --> 00:56:14,213
Speaker 2: have that Instagram life? But they're not on you know,

1167
00:56:14,813 --> 00:56:16,933
Speaker 2: looking up the people that have a much worse life them,

1168
00:56:17,213 --> 00:56:19,933
Speaker 2: or looking at the history of humanity and how bad

1169
00:56:20,013 --> 00:56:22,133
Speaker 2: it has been to be a human for nearly all

1170
00:56:22,533 --> 00:56:25,093
Speaker 2: of our existence and how good you actually have it

1171
00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:28,093
Speaker 2: here ninety nine percent of New Zealanders have it better

1172
00:56:28,213 --> 00:56:32,493
Speaker 2: than any humans. Basically they have existed for hundreds of

1173
00:56:32,533 --> 00:56:35,213
Speaker 2: thousands of years of us being humans right on. So

1174
00:56:35,293 --> 00:56:37,293
Speaker 2: you're just comparing the wrong way. So if you're going

1175
00:56:37,333 --> 00:56:40,373
Speaker 2: out winging, I mean I always just think, imagine being

1176
00:56:40,453 --> 00:56:43,013
Speaker 2: sent off to war when you're eighteen. Yeah, you know

1177
00:56:43,613 --> 00:56:45,493
Speaker 2: all the different times, and that's just in a couple

1178
00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:48,053
Speaker 2: of generations back from us, definitely, you know, it's you know,

1179
00:56:48,173 --> 00:56:50,732
Speaker 2: three or four generations back people were being sent off

1180
00:56:50,813 --> 00:56:51,172
Speaker 2: the war.

1181
00:56:51,813 --> 00:56:54,493
Speaker 3: You know it's but even talking about the King of England,

1182
00:56:54,693 --> 00:56:57,533
Speaker 3: I mean, anybody in this country right now, I can

1183
00:56:57,653 --> 00:56:59,893
Speaker 3: guarantee you would not trade places with the King of

1184
00:56:59,933 --> 00:57:02,133
Speaker 3: England two hundred years ago. If you see what they

1185
00:57:02,213 --> 00:57:05,573
Speaker 3: had to deal with and the conditions, you would say, nah,

1186
00:57:05,573 --> 00:57:07,333
Speaker 3: bugger that my life is way better than the King

1187
00:57:07,333 --> 00:57:08,413
Speaker 3: of England two hundred years ago.

1188
00:57:08,453 --> 00:57:11,173
Speaker 2: God read history, Read history, and see what happened to

1189
00:57:11,253 --> 00:57:14,973
Speaker 2: most kings of England. Oh my, oh, my goodness.

1190
00:57:15,293 --> 00:57:17,133
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a numbered

1191
00:57:17,173 --> 00:57:18,453
Speaker 3: callers twenty nine past two.

1192
00:57:20,613 --> 00:57:23,573
Speaker 14: Hus Talk said the headlined its blue bubble taxis there's

1193
00:57:23,613 --> 00:57:26,293
Speaker 14: no trouble with the blue bubble. The Reserve Bank has

1194
00:57:26,333 --> 00:57:30,093
Speaker 14: shaved another twenty five basis points off the OCR, dropping

1195
00:57:30,133 --> 00:57:34,013
Speaker 14: it from three point twenty five percent to three. Teachers

1196
00:57:34,013 --> 00:57:36,653
Speaker 14: say the job has never been harder and they're rejecting

1197
00:57:36,693 --> 00:57:39,933
Speaker 14: a three percent pay rise offer over three years, saying

1198
00:57:40,013 --> 00:57:43,893
Speaker 14: they need more government support and better conditions. A homicide

1199
00:57:43,973 --> 00:57:47,173
Speaker 14: in investigations been launched in the Rothrua following a man's

1200
00:57:47,213 --> 00:57:50,853
Speaker 14: death on trigg av This afternoon. Police are upgrading a

1201
00:57:50,933 --> 00:57:53,973
Speaker 14: fifty year old man's charges to murder over the discovery

1202
00:57:54,053 --> 00:57:56,413
Speaker 14: of an eighty four year old woman's body in Auckland's

1203
00:57:56,413 --> 00:58:01,053
Speaker 14: puppaty toy this month. Correction says it's made significant improvements

1204
00:58:01,413 --> 00:58:05,613
Speaker 14: mounted in prison after an inspection in October, including increasing staff,

1205
00:58:05,973 --> 00:58:11,453
Speaker 14: working on expanding rehabilitation program and improving safety. Associate Health

1206
00:58:11,533 --> 00:58:14,493
Speaker 14: Minister David Seymour says he's bidding for more medicine funding

1207
00:58:14,613 --> 00:58:17,733
Speaker 14: for Farmac in the next budget. New markets, Toast on

1208
00:58:17,773 --> 00:58:20,493
Speaker 14: the Green and Auckland are celebrating winning this year's Great

1209
00:58:20,613 --> 00:58:24,373
Speaker 14: New Zealand Toasty Takeover. Plus that Don't Go There. Former

1210
00:58:24,413 --> 00:58:28,013
Speaker 14: Defense minister urges young fighters to avoid Ukraine. Read more

1211
00:58:28,053 --> 00:58:32,813
Speaker 14: at ends at Herald premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

1212
00:58:33,053 --> 00:58:35,613
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wendy and we are talking about

1213
00:58:35,653 --> 00:58:38,653
Speaker 3: whether there's a malaise that is settled across the country,

1214
00:58:38,693 --> 00:58:40,493
Speaker 3: and if that is true, what do we need to

1215
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:43,733
Speaker 3: do to get some mojo? That's famous key we mojo

1216
00:58:43,973 --> 00:58:46,173
Speaker 3: back and start kicking butt again. Oh one hundred and

1217
00:58:46,173 --> 00:58:47,213
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighties a number to call.

1218
00:58:47,333 --> 00:58:48,933
Speaker 2: Hi, guys. We are the product of what we are

1219
00:58:49,013 --> 00:58:51,773
Speaker 2: taught and exposed to. The last thirty years, we've had

1220
00:58:51,813 --> 00:58:54,373
Speaker 2: technology that does all our thinking for us. At the

1221
00:58:54,413 --> 00:58:57,213
Speaker 2: same time, the use of technology has taken away our

1222
00:58:57,253 --> 00:59:00,653
Speaker 2: ability to critically think through ideas because we no longer

1223
00:59:00,733 --> 00:59:02,933
Speaker 2: write them out. We just press the button and it's

1224
00:59:02,973 --> 00:59:06,933
Speaker 2: all there. Yeah. I mean, I've really sort of studies

1225
00:59:06,933 --> 00:59:10,053
Speaker 2: about how dumb dogs are getting because they don't solve

1226
00:59:10,093 --> 00:59:11,653
Speaker 2: any problems. If they want to go out of door,

1227
00:59:11,653 --> 00:59:14,573
Speaker 2: they go. If they want to be cuddle, go But

1228
00:59:14,893 --> 00:59:17,813
Speaker 2: if you've given if you give a being an opportunity

1229
00:59:17,933 --> 00:59:20,173
Speaker 2: to just get everything at once with minimal effort, it

1230
00:59:20,293 --> 00:59:22,773
Speaker 2: all do it. And you know I've talked about this before.

1231
00:59:23,173 --> 00:59:26,293
Speaker 2: My dad and his brother can just build anything. They'll

1232
00:59:26,413 --> 00:59:29,133
Speaker 2: just go and if they need something you know, my

1233
00:59:29,493 --> 00:59:32,773
Speaker 2: dad's brother, uncle Tim, he built this whole shed and

1234
00:59:32,933 --> 00:59:36,453
Speaker 2: library and deck at eighty. You know, my dad can

1235
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:37,573
Speaker 2: knock up anything.

1236
00:59:37,933 --> 00:59:38,093
Speaker 7: You know.

1237
00:59:38,533 --> 00:59:41,733
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, he just knocked together. You know,

1238
00:59:41,853 --> 00:59:43,853
Speaker 2: you go out and he's not together a whole sheep

1239
00:59:44,053 --> 00:59:46,893
Speaker 2: or shed's knocked together a sheep.

1240
00:59:47,013 --> 00:59:49,373
Speaker 3: It's pretty clever if he together a he just went

1241
00:59:49,413 --> 00:59:50,973
Speaker 3: out there with a hammer and nails.

1242
00:59:50,973 --> 00:59:52,213
Speaker 2: The next thing you know, he'd made a sheep. No,

1243
00:59:52,293 --> 00:59:55,493
Speaker 2: it's shed, you know, there was. And I was a

1244
00:59:55,613 --> 00:59:59,053
Speaker 2: little more useless than him. And when I said, quite

1245
00:59:59,053 --> 01:00:03,453
Speaker 2: a lot, maybe we lost seventy percent of functionality from

1246
01:00:03,533 --> 01:00:06,133
Speaker 2: him to me and then my kids again. And so

1247
01:00:06,253 --> 01:00:07,933
Speaker 2: if you don't have that, you know, we talk about

1248
01:00:07,933 --> 01:00:11,693
Speaker 2: the number fencing wire idea. If you don't have that,

1249
01:00:11,813 --> 01:00:13,213
Speaker 2: I can just go and do that. I can just

1250
01:00:13,253 --> 01:00:15,573
Speaker 2: go and fix that. I can do this, And whatever

1251
01:00:15,693 --> 01:00:19,173
Speaker 2: realm you're in, then then it's hard to put it

1252
01:00:19,213 --> 01:00:20,693
Speaker 2: in other realms, if you see what I'm saying.

1253
01:00:20,733 --> 01:00:22,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because if there's no other choice, you have

1254
01:00:22,773 --> 01:00:24,213
Speaker 3: to do it. Like your dad, right, there was no

1255
01:00:24,333 --> 01:00:27,173
Speaker 3: other choice there, you know, to get someone to build

1256
01:00:27,173 --> 01:00:28,933
Speaker 3: that shed for him, what to cost more money than

1257
01:00:28,973 --> 01:00:31,333
Speaker 3: he probably had and he thought, I need this shed,

1258
01:00:31,453 --> 01:00:32,973
Speaker 3: I've got to figure out how to do it. But

1259
01:00:33,133 --> 01:00:34,693
Speaker 3: that ability to figure those things out.

1260
01:00:34,613 --> 01:00:37,133
Speaker 2: It's like the Bruce McLaren thing. Right, So it was

1261
01:00:37,253 --> 01:00:40,213
Speaker 2: really hard to get parts into New Zealand to make

1262
01:00:40,653 --> 01:00:43,293
Speaker 2: the racing cars he wanted to make, so he had

1263
01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:45,733
Speaker 2: to come up with brilliant ways to do it, right. Yeah,

1264
01:00:45,733 --> 01:00:47,133
Speaker 2: and then when he finally got to the UK and

1265
01:00:47,173 --> 01:00:49,853
Speaker 2: he had more parts, he was incredible. Right. And then

1266
01:00:50,293 --> 01:00:52,973
Speaker 2: just yesterday I saw Israel Alasania driving down the road

1267
01:00:53,013 --> 01:00:58,053
Speaker 2: in a McLaren the victory from him just bashing things together,

1268
01:00:58,413 --> 01:01:01,613
Speaker 2: you know, and rap Bruce mcca claren, What a great

1269
01:01:01,613 --> 01:01:03,933
Speaker 2: New Zealander. But yeah, it's kind of like the obstacle

1270
01:01:04,013 --> 01:01:06,133
Speaker 2: is the way, isn't it. You know, if you've got

1271
01:01:06,173 --> 01:01:09,573
Speaker 2: a problem to solve, then then you know what to do.

1272
01:01:09,733 --> 01:01:11,653
Speaker 2: You know the path. He didn't have parts, so in

1273
01:01:11,733 --> 01:01:15,453
Speaker 2: you the path. But if your problem's completely solved instantly

1274
01:01:15,533 --> 01:01:18,093
Speaker 2: by something else, and it's something, going to get worse

1275
01:01:18,133 --> 01:01:20,693
Speaker 2: with ai, right it is. Yeah, so people are just

1276
01:01:20,733 --> 01:01:23,533
Speaker 2: going to get dumber and dumber and less able to think.

1277
01:01:24,093 --> 01:01:27,653
Speaker 2: And in that particular task, you can't think about that.

1278
01:01:27,813 --> 01:01:31,133
Speaker 2: But then you can't, you know, widen that out to

1279
01:01:31,213 --> 01:01:32,853
Speaker 2: other tasks. You suddenly can't think at all.

1280
01:01:33,013 --> 01:01:34,333
Speaker 3: It is terrifying, is that?

1281
01:01:34,653 --> 01:01:34,733
Speaker 5: Oh?

1282
01:01:34,813 --> 01:01:36,573
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call

1283
01:01:37,373 --> 01:01:39,733
Speaker 3: Maverick get a good.

1284
01:01:40,493 --> 01:01:47,613
Speaker 18: May love your conversation lovely awesome, Oh thanks Maverick, And yeah, yeah,

1285
01:01:47,693 --> 01:01:53,693
Speaker 18: no problem. I'm an immigrant born Kiwi Judge blood born here,

1286
01:01:54,653 --> 01:01:58,053
Speaker 18: and I'm an author, published author during south Old books,

1287
01:01:58,333 --> 01:02:01,813
Speaker 18: trying to help one person at a time. It has

1288
01:02:01,853 --> 01:02:04,933
Speaker 18: a time to read my books through their black holes.

1289
01:02:05,013 --> 01:02:07,093
Speaker 18: And then, as you know, there are plenty out there

1290
01:02:07,173 --> 01:02:11,893
Speaker 18: that are just suffering and lost hope. And I am

1291
01:02:12,053 --> 01:02:15,893
Speaker 18: one hundred percent positive all the time. I've banned negative

1292
01:02:15,973 --> 01:02:18,853
Speaker 18: thoughts out of my mind. They don't exist anywhere.

1293
01:02:20,013 --> 01:02:20,453
Speaker 3: Good man.

1294
01:02:20,613 --> 01:02:24,693
Speaker 18: I'm seventy two. I'm seventy two going on seventy three,

1295
01:02:25,133 --> 01:02:28,453
Speaker 18: and I love New Zealand to bits. And we are,

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Speaker 18: in my opinion, which is the.

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Speaker 2: Only one I have.

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Speaker 18: In my opinion, New Zealand has got so much potential.

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Speaker 18: It is an amazing place, so innovative, so clean, not

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Speaker 18: particularly green, but we're working on it. It's not perfect,

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Speaker 18: but it's more perfect than just anywhere else in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely, and it's definitely a lot better.

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Speaker 2: You've definitely won the lotto to live here, definitely, you know,

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01:03:02,853 --> 01:03:05,173
Speaker 2: and pure numbers of where people live around the world

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Speaker 2: and when people are born in time, you know, you

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01:03:09,613 --> 01:03:11,413
Speaker 2: could have been born and if you you know, you

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to be born in the year fifteen hundred,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: How lucky you are to be born in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and be alive today. Absolutely, statistically, I'm grateful every day, guys.

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Speaker 18: Well, the fact that I can still wake up and

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Speaker 18: clean air and go fishing or make a choice about

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Speaker 18: anything I want to do and not get pinged for

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Speaker 18: it or so much for it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, so Mamberick, you said you're right. Self health book

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Speaker 2: South South Sorry, self help books. I need help. I

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Speaker 2: need self help in learning how to talk self help books.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the titles there, buddy?

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Speaker 18: My first one was twelve years ago. There is something

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Speaker 18: that she was filist. Shit happens. It's where you handle

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01:03:56,733 --> 01:03:57,413
Speaker 18: it that matters.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen that.

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Speaker 18: That's onime Amazon yep, yep. And then my last book,

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Speaker 18: Mark one of Mark two were called Got Survived New

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Speaker 18: Abnormal Host COVID. All right, good My new book and

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Speaker 18: my new book, which will be out by Christmas, will

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Speaker 18: be called You at Last, Your very Own Survival Bible.

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Speaker 3: Good title.

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Speaker 2: Do you go see? That's a coincidence we're talking to

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01:04:26,093 --> 01:04:28,173
Speaker 2: you now though, because in the next hour we were

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Speaker 2: planning to talk about what are the good South out books?

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01:04:30,493 --> 01:04:31,973
Speaker 2: What are the ones that actually help you, because you

1334
01:04:32,013 --> 01:04:34,213
Speaker 2: know some of them, some of them are scams and

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Speaker 2: some of them are good. So coincidence that you've wrung up, Maverick,

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Speaker 2: but we appreciate that.

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Speaker 18: And now on the back of the cover it says,

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Speaker 18: and Dracket's not one percent of AI involved.

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Speaker 3: Good man, Yeah, you got it from that right at

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Speaker 3: the top.

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Speaker 2: When I was writing my book, I was thinking how

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Speaker 2: long I'll be to get this out quickly? Because how

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01:04:54,853 --> 01:04:57,493
Speaker 2: long could it be till someone would just write, just

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Speaker 2: be able to write it? Just put as a prompt

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Speaker 2: into AI, it.

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Speaker 3: Was good time in oh one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It is twenty one

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Speaker 3: to three.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon tour mad even Tyler Adams afternoons

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01:05:11,053 --> 01:05:14,973
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty news talks there'd be It is

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Speaker 1: eighteen to three.

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Speaker 2: Joe, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this, Yes, I.

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Speaker 4: Was really pleased to hear that you'd picked up this

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01:05:23,973 --> 01:05:28,093
Speaker 4: topic this afternoon, because I think it's hugely important.

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Speaker 11: And just in the work I do.

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Speaker 4: I think it's probably sort of on the stages of

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Speaker 4: COVID and into recent times. I've just noticed how overwhelmed

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01:05:43,213 --> 01:05:48,453
Speaker 4: people are, how reluctant to take personal accountability, looking round

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01:05:48,453 --> 01:05:53,013
Speaker 4: to point finger and blame other people. And so, you know,

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Speaker 4: I didn't think I was imagining it. It just the

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Speaker 4: more I thought about it, the more concerned I became.

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Speaker 4: So the people that have rung up and spoken about

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01:06:03,133 --> 01:06:07,293
Speaker 4: trying to switch off the negativity and how important it

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01:06:07,453 --> 01:06:09,973
Speaker 4: is to work on our thinking. And I know you

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01:06:10,133 --> 01:06:11,693
Speaker 4: know this stuff because of French.

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Speaker 2: Book Matt Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 4: But it's great and I've got clients who love it

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01:06:19,213 --> 01:06:21,573
Speaker 4: because it really does just frame up just how to

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Speaker 4: dig you away out of a troubled thinking pattern. So

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Speaker 4: I went off and did some study on a neuroscience

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01:06:30,933 --> 01:06:37,453
Speaker 4: and neurobiologies coaching people how to help them take back

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Speaker 4: control and so and that has been slow, but it

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Speaker 4: does work, helping people to take action over just sitting

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Speaker 4: there muddling along.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that possibly you thought about coming out

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01:06:53,013 --> 01:06:55,973
Speaker 2: of COVID when do you think we got on a

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01:06:56,053 --> 01:06:58,213
Speaker 2: mindset where there was things that were out kind of

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01:06:58,613 --> 01:07:01,573
Speaker 2: outside of our control that were going on. We were

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01:07:01,653 --> 01:07:05,733
Speaker 2: sort of, I guess listen to the government where Mardy coddled,

1380
01:07:05,773 --> 01:07:09,453
Speaker 2: we're being locked down, we're being looked after. This has

1381
01:07:09,893 --> 01:07:11,653
Speaker 2: shut down your brain for a while because we've got

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Speaker 2: to deal with this situation right now. Do you think

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Speaker 2: we sort of came out of that and we were

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Speaker 2: looking around and going, now what we'd sort of do

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Speaker 2: you think that? Do you think is that were're saying

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Speaker 2: that we sort of changed our mindset in that area.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I've sort of tried to think about why

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01:07:28,733 --> 01:07:30,733
Speaker 4: have I started packing this up? Why do I think

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01:07:30,773 --> 01:07:33,133
Speaker 4: that I did do some work for one of the

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Speaker 4: councils for probably during the back end of COVID and

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Speaker 4: for a couple of years, and just notice the incredible

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01:07:42,093 --> 01:07:49,093
Speaker 4: fear in there to make decisions and because you're right,

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Speaker 4: we weren't like this. This is not and it was

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Speaker 4: not being doing my sort of work for over twenty years.

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Speaker 4: It is just something that I've really started to notice

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01:08:01,333 --> 01:08:04,253
Speaker 4: recently and that they areny is that you know, we

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Speaker 4: don't ever have control over our lives. I think we

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01:08:07,653 --> 01:08:11,013
Speaker 4: like to think we don't have any control.

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Speaker 2: We do have control of our own thoughts, though, that's

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Speaker 2: the thing, and our actions.

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01:08:15,253 --> 01:08:18,452
Speaker 16: Yeah, I believe that.

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Speaker 4: The most important school or attributes that people can develop

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01:08:22,213 --> 01:08:26,053
Speaker 4: are adaptability and just never you know, when I get

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Speaker 4: up in the morning, I don't necessarily expect things to

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01:08:29,572 --> 01:08:31,692
Speaker 4: go on a straight line. For example, I never thought

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Speaker 4: that I'd be talking to you this afternoon.

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Speaker 20: And that's not a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: But you know, do you think that is trainable for everyone?

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Speaker 2: Job?

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Speaker 3: Just because we all know there's people with that mentality

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Speaker 3: when they face challenges or indeed, they can see things

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Speaker 3: going wrong and they can see nobody else is steeping up,

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01:08:50,412 --> 01:08:52,412
Speaker 3: so they think, right, I've got to do something here

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01:08:52,452 --> 01:08:54,692
Speaker 3: because nobody else is. So that's kind of ingrained in

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01:08:54,772 --> 01:08:57,812
Speaker 3: some people's psyche. But sometimes when you get into a

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01:08:57,973 --> 01:09:00,372
Speaker 3: general malaise that it feels like what's happening in this

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01:09:00,452 --> 01:09:03,612
Speaker 3: country right now? You need those people to take charge?

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01:09:03,692 --> 01:09:05,652
Speaker 3: Can that actually be trained in people?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not a dog, and so I'm very careful

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01:09:12,492 --> 01:09:15,372
Speaker 4: and if I think somebody needs maybe has got kemp

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01:09:15,452 --> 01:09:19,173
Speaker 4: themselves in a mental state that needs some chemical interventions.

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01:09:19,253 --> 01:09:22,732
Speaker 4: I see them off to a doctor. But mostly we

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01:09:23,013 --> 01:09:26,052
Speaker 4: can learn to think differently. And I've just been working

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Speaker 4: with a woman this morning who is working in a

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01:09:31,293 --> 01:09:33,572
Speaker 4: pretty high stress job. But she said she just has

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01:09:33,652 --> 01:09:37,253
Speaker 4: the tools and things now that she's learned. So as

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01:09:37,253 --> 01:09:40,013
Speaker 4: soon as she starts getting into feeling herself going to

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01:09:40,133 --> 01:09:46,093
Speaker 4: the brink, she pulls back and breathes and prioritizes, does

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01:09:46,173 --> 01:09:49,293
Speaker 4: some more plan, you know, and men can see the

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01:09:49,372 --> 01:09:52,892
Speaker 4: way forward. Another woman who was just always sack never

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01:09:52,973 --> 01:09:54,852
Speaker 4: gets sacked now right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting how the physiological can be affected

1433
01:10:01,973 --> 01:10:07,333
Speaker 2: by the psychological. Amazing that the placebo effect of humans

1434
01:10:07,452 --> 01:10:08,292
Speaker 2: is incredible.

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01:10:08,412 --> 01:10:10,412
Speaker 24: You know, I think the heats.

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01:10:10,452 --> 01:10:11,892
Speaker 4: We don't know about how the brain work.

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01:10:12,492 --> 01:10:14,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much. It's insane how little we know

1438
01:10:14,812 --> 01:10:16,852
Speaker 2: about the thing that we used to think about. What

1439
01:10:16,973 --> 01:10:17,372
Speaker 2: we don't know.

1440
01:10:18,853 --> 01:10:22,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe, thank you very much for having a chat

1441
01:10:22,173 --> 01:10:23,252
Speaker 3: with us. Very interesting.

1442
01:10:24,053 --> 01:10:27,372
Speaker 2: One way you can, you know, try and get that

1443
01:10:27,572 --> 01:10:30,173
Speaker 2: kind of mindset is the serenity prayer. Repeating that all

1444
01:10:30,213 --> 01:10:32,532
Speaker 2: the time, right, So you don't have to believe in

1445
01:10:32,612 --> 01:10:34,612
Speaker 2: God for this one. But that's the God grant me

1446
01:10:34,692 --> 01:10:37,652
Speaker 2: the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the

1447
01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:39,852
Speaker 2: courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom

1448
01:10:39,933 --> 01:10:40,612
Speaker 2: to know the difference.

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01:10:40,692 --> 01:10:41,572
Speaker 3: That is a powerful one.

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01:10:41,732 --> 01:10:41,932
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1451
01:10:41,973 --> 01:10:43,333
Speaker 2: I mean that's really sums it up right.

1452
01:10:43,732 --> 01:10:43,932
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1453
01:10:44,053 --> 01:10:45,973
Speaker 2: Accept the things you cannot change and the courage to

1454
01:10:46,093 --> 01:10:48,732
Speaker 2: change the things I can. Yeah, that's really what it's

1455
01:10:48,732 --> 01:10:49,052
Speaker 2: all about.

1456
01:10:49,133 --> 01:10:49,213
Speaker 5: Right.

1457
01:10:50,173 --> 01:10:52,133
Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, Joe mentioned The Life

1458
01:10:52,213 --> 01:10:54,492
Speaker 3: Less Punishing by none other than Matt Heath. You can

1459
01:10:54,572 --> 01:10:56,173
Speaker 3: check it out on audiobook. At the moment, I've got

1460
01:10:56,253 --> 01:10:57,572
Speaker 3: to say, mate, I can say this. There was a

1461
01:10:57,853 --> 01:10:59,452
Speaker 3: hell of a lot of research that went into that

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01:10:59,732 --> 01:11:02,013
Speaker 3: and it's a great read and a great listen as well.

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01:11:02,893 --> 01:11:05,093
Speaker 2: It is Tyler said that, not me. I'm not self

1464
01:11:05,173 --> 01:11:05,892
Speaker 2: sourcing my book.

1465
01:11:06,013 --> 01:11:08,253
Speaker 3: No, I'm is it self sourcing. I think I'm just.

1466
01:11:09,013 --> 01:11:11,972
Speaker 2: You're just saucy. I don't feel comfortable this conversation.

1467
01:11:12,253 --> 01:11:13,732
Speaker 3: And it's thirteen to three.

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01:11:14,612 --> 01:11:16,972
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1469
01:11:17,053 --> 01:11:20,532
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks EDB. It is ten to three, having a

1472
01:11:25,372 --> 01:11:27,692
Speaker 3: great discussion about how we get our mojo back in

1473
01:11:27,853 --> 01:11:30,532
Speaker 3: this country if we have lost it. And I've got

1474
01:11:30,612 --> 01:11:32,532
Speaker 3: to say most of the callers in Texas believe there

1475
01:11:32,692 --> 01:11:35,173
Speaker 3: is some sort of malaise that is settled across the country.

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01:11:35,732 --> 01:11:38,692
Speaker 2: Hi, Tyler and Matt, Ay, that's the incorrect way. It's

1477
01:11:38,812 --> 01:11:43,253
Speaker 2: mad and Tyler good it right. It's alphabetic call no

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Speaker 2: all allow allow.

1479
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Speaker 3: You're allowing that one?

1480
01:11:45,293 --> 01:11:45,452
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1481
01:11:45,532 --> 01:11:46,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, point of order.

1482
01:11:47,732 --> 01:11:49,732
Speaker 2: Hi Tyler and Matt. I fully agree with the caller

1483
01:11:49,772 --> 01:11:51,932
Speaker 2: who moved to Ossie and then came back to New Zealand.

1484
01:11:51,973 --> 01:11:53,973
Speaker 2: I separated with my wife a few weeks ago and

1485
01:11:54,053 --> 01:11:58,412
Speaker 2: I've taken it as an opportunity I've needed to improve myself.

1486
01:11:58,452 --> 01:12:00,173
Speaker 2: I'm now moving to christ Church for Wellington in three

1487
01:12:00,213 --> 01:12:03,053
Speaker 2: weeks time. You've got to take every opportunity in life

1488
01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:07,372
Speaker 2: and winging won't get you any Whining, sorry, whiny won't

1489
01:12:07,372 --> 01:12:08,692
Speaker 2: get you anywhere. It's true, whinning.

1490
01:12:08,732 --> 01:12:08,852
Speaker 19: Wait.

1491
01:12:08,933 --> 01:12:11,612
Speaker 2: There needs to be a social cost for people whining.

1492
01:12:12,133 --> 01:12:14,333
Speaker 2: You should you know you could listen. You can point

1493
01:12:14,372 --> 01:12:17,333
Speaker 2: out problems, but you have to be trying to fix

1494
01:12:17,412 --> 01:12:19,492
Speaker 2: that problem. If someone says they've got a problem, they

1495
01:12:19,572 --> 01:12:21,053
Speaker 2: have to be doing everything they can to try and

1496
01:12:21,133 --> 01:12:22,933
Speaker 2: fix it. Otherwise it's whining if you're just going on

1497
01:12:23,013 --> 01:12:24,772
Speaker 2: about your problem and you're not taking any steps to

1498
01:12:24,853 --> 01:12:26,812
Speaker 2: fix it. So there needs to be a social crop.

1499
01:12:26,973 --> 01:12:30,492
Speaker 2: Yeah cost, you're whining, telling me your problem and asking

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01:12:30,532 --> 01:12:33,532
Speaker 2: for help. It's not whining. No, and or you know,

1501
01:12:33,893 --> 01:12:36,973
Speaker 2: looking for a strategy that's not whinning. Just going on

1502
01:12:37,173 --> 01:12:40,173
Speaker 2: and on and on about your lot in life needs

1503
01:12:40,173 --> 01:12:42,052
Speaker 2: to have a social cost. People need to start going

1504
01:12:42,853 --> 01:12:44,132
Speaker 2: christ stop whining.

1505
01:12:44,253 --> 01:12:45,452
Speaker 3: The collective whiny jar.

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01:12:47,053 --> 01:12:48,972
Speaker 2: And I get the irony that I'm whining about whining.

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01:12:50,013 --> 01:12:53,053
Speaker 2: That's two bucks, please mate, Alistair, welcome to the show.

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01:12:54,412 --> 01:12:57,253
Speaker 19: Yeah, this is auristocoltural Tahuna Nelson.

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01:12:57,293 --> 01:12:57,692
Speaker 7: This is the.

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01:12:59,652 --> 01:13:01,892
Speaker 5: Whole area of the problem.

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01:13:02,133 --> 01:13:03,213
Speaker 1: I I know who you are.

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01:13:03,372 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 3: You won't know who I am, Alistair, but you used

1513
01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:07,093
Speaker 3: to play squash with my dad, I'm pretty sure.

1514
01:13:08,532 --> 01:13:10,412
Speaker 5: And I my job as a.

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01:13:10,532 --> 01:13:15,532
Speaker 19: Professional was tennis coaching, and so I'm a self made person.

1516
01:13:15,732 --> 01:13:18,732
Speaker 19: It started from nothing when I left school. So I've

1517
01:13:18,812 --> 01:13:22,972
Speaker 19: never worked for anybody. So and a little while back,

1518
01:13:23,093 --> 01:13:25,093
Speaker 19: about a month ago, I was named the Legend of

1519
01:13:25,173 --> 01:13:28,493
Speaker 19: the Community for the whole Tahnah area and the Nelson.

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01:13:28,213 --> 01:13:29,333
Speaker 5: Wetby for the whole province.

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01:13:30,933 --> 01:13:33,612
Speaker 19: I'm just a self Yeah. No, I'm a self made person.

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01:13:33,652 --> 01:13:36,293
Speaker 19: I just make things happen. I think it comes down

1523
01:13:36,372 --> 01:13:39,572
Speaker 19: to your attitude, what you do and like, For an example,

1524
01:13:39,612 --> 01:13:42,812
Speaker 19: on Sunday, I cleaned out the whole Tahnah during the

1525
01:13:42,893 --> 01:13:45,173
Speaker 19: day and a little bit on Monday in the morning,

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01:13:45,812 --> 01:13:47,692
Speaker 19: and that I would have got about ten to fifteen

1527
01:13:47,732 --> 01:13:50,532
Speaker 19: bags out of the whole of the tona, so it's

1528
01:13:50,572 --> 01:13:51,213
Speaker 19: just spotless.

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01:13:51,452 --> 01:13:54,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, bloody good on you mate.

1530
01:13:54,372 --> 01:13:57,412
Speaker 3: Now, Alistair you yeah, you actually coached me in tennis

1531
01:13:57,492 --> 01:13:59,572
Speaker 3: way back in oh gosh, I would have been about

1532
01:13:59,572 --> 01:14:02,053
Speaker 3: ten years old. You won't remember me, but you're a

1533
01:14:02,093 --> 01:14:04,252
Speaker 3: good coach. Say that you're tough, but fear.

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01:14:05,612 --> 01:14:07,572
Speaker 2: I yeh know, I am fear.

1535
01:14:08,333 --> 01:14:10,973
Speaker 19: I started there in eighty seven. So I had a

1536
01:14:11,093 --> 01:14:16,132
Speaker 19: dream when I was at school too played professional tennis,

1537
01:14:16,133 --> 01:14:17,932
Speaker 19: and I went off and followed my dreams and then

1538
01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:21,173
Speaker 19: and then I set up a business from nothing. Had

1539
01:14:21,213 --> 01:14:23,372
Speaker 19: to buy ours thirty dollars to get it started, and

1540
01:14:23,612 --> 01:14:26,053
Speaker 19: unfortunate that I've made my own luck. So I think

1541
01:14:26,093 --> 01:14:28,612
Speaker 19: it comes down a little bit too. You've got to

1542
01:14:28,692 --> 01:14:32,013
Speaker 19: use your own initiative. I've got a budding tennis star

1543
01:14:32,173 --> 01:14:34,492
Speaker 19: Jesse Beside me who's ready to go on the tennis

1544
01:14:34,532 --> 01:14:37,532
Speaker 19: courts of me soon, so you know, and he wants

1545
01:14:37,532 --> 01:14:41,173
Speaker 19: to be a professional footballer one day and maybe follow

1546
01:14:41,253 --> 01:14:41,812
Speaker 19: his dreams.

1547
01:14:41,973 --> 01:14:44,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, loved Alistair, thank you very much. Doesn't he

1548
01:14:44,812 --> 01:14:46,253
Speaker 3: doesn't remember me at all?

1549
01:14:46,652 --> 01:14:50,012
Speaker 2: He didn't need it. That's sailed that guy. He doesn't

1550
01:14:50,013 --> 01:14:53,412
Speaker 2: remember your dad. Gail says, Hey, guys, I don't think

1551
01:14:53,452 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 2: that it is because people have lost the mojo. I

1552
01:14:56,093 --> 01:14:58,852
Speaker 2: think people have lost self responsibility. They're quite happy sitting

1553
01:14:58,853 --> 01:15:01,173
Speaker 2: at home putting their hand out, playing their computer games

1554
01:15:01,213 --> 01:15:05,133
Speaker 2: and doing everything they can, rather than taking responsibility for

1555
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:07,133
Speaker 2: their own actions.

1556
01:15:07,452 --> 01:15:13,092
Speaker 3: Yes, good text. Uh and this one right here, guys,

1557
01:15:14,692 --> 01:15:18,612
Speaker 3: you too well balanced and believable and wellington. Our media

1558
01:15:18,692 --> 01:15:22,492
Speaker 3: are busy destroying everything the government is doing. There is

1559
01:15:22,652 --> 01:15:26,132
Speaker 3: the Mikey Sherman's, the Watkins Advancers, the BENEDICTT. Collins, et cetera.

1560
01:15:26,692 --> 01:15:29,492
Speaker 3: We need more positive chat in our media. That's part

1561
01:15:29,532 --> 01:15:29,972
Speaker 3: of the problem.

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01:15:30,412 --> 01:15:32,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, you know, that's the environment we

1563
01:15:32,692 --> 01:15:35,892
Speaker 2: live in, right So if that's if that's the environment

1564
01:15:35,973 --> 01:15:39,652
Speaker 2: that's around us in our country, then that's that's the

1565
01:15:39,732 --> 01:15:42,173
Speaker 2: water we're swimming in. So you just have to take

1566
01:15:42,213 --> 01:15:46,973
Speaker 2: responsibility for your own emotions and actions and get on

1567
01:15:47,293 --> 01:15:50,412
Speaker 2: with it and swim in the in the direction you

1568
01:15:50,492 --> 01:15:54,412
Speaker 2: want to go for yourself and not be murderous metaphor

1569
01:15:54,652 --> 01:15:58,333
Speaker 2: not washed along in the current. Si beautifully said, if

1570
01:15:58,372 --> 01:16:00,932
Speaker 2: you know you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And if

1571
01:16:01,013 --> 01:16:04,213
Speaker 2: everyone starts becoming a country where you know, in positive,

1572
01:16:04,253 --> 01:16:06,652
Speaker 2: he is infectious, everyone starts you know, you're positive around

1573
01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:08,732
Speaker 2: some people, they'll be positive around some people, and then

1574
01:16:08,812 --> 01:16:11,692
Speaker 2: that becomes a country that salivates positivity. And look how

1575
01:16:11,732 --> 01:16:13,932
Speaker 2: excited we get about the likes of Sir Peter Jackson

1576
01:16:14,692 --> 01:16:16,812
Speaker 2: or Rocket Lab yep, and how it makes us feel

1577
01:16:16,812 --> 01:16:18,933
Speaker 2: and you know we're talking about Bruce McLaren before, and

1578
01:16:19,013 --> 01:16:22,732
Speaker 2: how excited it makes us feel about our country. So

1579
01:16:22,893 --> 01:16:25,093
Speaker 2: then they become the stories that people click on, and

1580
01:16:25,173 --> 01:16:27,293
Speaker 2: then that becomes the actuality of your country.

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01:16:27,372 --> 01:16:27,532
Speaker 5: Yep.

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01:16:27,572 --> 01:16:29,572
Speaker 2: But it sort of starts with each individual, doesn't it.

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01:16:29,732 --> 01:16:29,892
Speaker 5: Yep?

1584
01:16:30,013 --> 01:16:34,412
Speaker 3: Not nicely said the text of Sears. Oh man, I've

1585
01:16:34,572 --> 01:16:36,732
Speaker 3: just lost it. So many texts have come through here.

1586
01:16:36,973 --> 01:16:40,852
Speaker 2: I'll read this one. This one hurts, lads. I'm one

1587
01:16:40,893 --> 01:16:43,253
Speaker 2: of those winging poems from the UK. But let's be honest,

1588
01:16:43,333 --> 01:16:45,652
Speaker 2: it's the key. We still hear the winging. Now New

1589
01:16:45,732 --> 01:16:48,572
Speaker 2: Zealand is awesome. You want the mojo back, starts singing

1590
01:16:48,652 --> 01:16:51,293
Speaker 2: fred Dagg as the national anthem and start loving this

1591
01:16:51,452 --> 01:16:54,612
Speaker 2: place again. We don't now how lucky we are one

1592
01:16:54,652 --> 01:16:55,053
Speaker 2: sing along.

1593
01:16:55,173 --> 01:16:57,372
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jonathan Wellington nicely said.

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01:16:57,572 --> 01:16:57,772
Speaker 24: God.

1595
01:16:57,812 --> 01:17:00,772
Speaker 2: If the winging poems are a shaming us for being winging,

1596
01:17:00,812 --> 01:17:01,412
Speaker 2: we're in trouble.

1597
01:17:01,492 --> 01:17:03,492
Speaker 3: We can't have that. We've got to stop that right now.

1598
01:17:03,893 --> 01:17:07,053
Speaker 3: Great discussion. Thank you to everybody who phoned and text on.

1599
01:17:07,173 --> 01:17:10,452
Speaker 3: That really positive and it gives me a lot of

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01:17:10,492 --> 01:17:12,892
Speaker 3: hope for the future in New Zealand. Hopefully give them

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01:17:12,893 --> 01:17:15,532
Speaker 3: a tasty key, nicely said Matt. Right coming up after

1602
01:17:15,692 --> 01:17:18,093
Speaker 3: three o'clock, let's have a chat about the self help

1603
01:17:18,133 --> 01:17:21,133
Speaker 3: book industry. It's absolutely exploded. It's bigger than ever in

1604
01:17:21,213 --> 01:17:23,173
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. But the question we've got for you

1605
01:17:23,412 --> 01:17:27,212
Speaker 3: is what was the book or books that genuinely changed

1606
01:17:27,213 --> 01:17:29,852
Speaker 3: your life? Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1607
01:17:29,933 --> 01:17:32,173
Speaker 3: the number to call. Nine ten ninety two is the

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01:17:32,253 --> 01:17:35,532
Speaker 3: text number. New Sport and weather on its way. You're

1609
01:17:35,572 --> 01:17:39,093
Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you having a great Wednesday. Afternoon.

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01:17:39,532 --> 01:17:41,772
Speaker 3: Stay right here. We'll be back very surely.

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01:17:42,333 --> 01:17:44,532
Speaker 2: This business says watch Country Calendar.

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01:17:44,572 --> 01:17:46,133
Speaker 3: That'll make you positive love that show.

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01:17:47,053 --> 01:17:49,053
Speaker 8: We're you know.

1614
01:17:50,293 --> 01:17:58,412
Speaker 18: Person person.

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01:18:01,812 --> 01:18:08,132
Speaker 2: Where if you know a person, Bazie.

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01:18:09,372 --> 01:18:13,692
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

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01:18:13,933 --> 01:18:17,452
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Sabby.

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01:18:18,612 --> 01:18:20,933
Speaker 3: Bit of a hot mic incident there, It certainly was.

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01:18:21,053 --> 01:18:24,732
Speaker 2: I had my mic on, yeah, and I was saying, damn,

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01:18:24,772 --> 01:18:27,093
Speaker 2: I forgot, and then I noticed that my mic was

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01:18:27,093 --> 01:18:29,253
Speaker 2: on because Tyler and a panic pointed to me it

1622
01:18:29,372 --> 01:18:31,412
Speaker 2: was lucky Jona John. I might as well Finnish the sentence,

1623
01:18:31,492 --> 01:18:33,973
Speaker 2: yeah please please. Now, I was going to say, and

1624
01:18:33,973 --> 01:18:36,253
Speaker 2: it's this is going to be hugely controversial. Damn, I

1625
01:18:36,293 --> 01:18:38,213
Speaker 2: forgot to make my man shake in the break. I'm

1626
01:18:38,253 --> 01:18:38,772
Speaker 2: really hungry.

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01:18:39,093 --> 01:18:42,052
Speaker 3: Oh you are missing that? Yeah, mate, your poor bugger.

1628
01:18:42,253 --> 01:18:44,812
Speaker 3: You've got on this whole afternoon with no manshak and

1629
01:18:44,893 --> 01:18:46,013
Speaker 3: I know how much you love those.

1630
01:18:46,213 --> 01:18:48,293
Speaker 2: That's the kind of controversial chat that Tyler and I

1631
01:18:48,452 --> 01:18:48,973
Speaker 2: have when the.

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01:18:50,492 --> 01:18:53,173
Speaker 3: Between where's my man shake? Well we've got to sort

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01:18:53,213 --> 01:18:55,933
Speaker 3: that out for tomorrow. Cheepers, mate, Johns. Someone see me

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01:18:56,173 --> 01:19:00,772
Speaker 3: spaking an egg yeah, yeah, that's a maybe.

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01:19:00,812 --> 01:19:04,173
Speaker 2: Okay, you can ever buy overcook the egg and I

1636
01:19:04,213 --> 01:19:05,692
Speaker 2: don't like my bacon as crispy as that.

1637
01:19:06,933 --> 01:19:09,852
Speaker 3: Speakers can't be choosers, mate. Right now, as we know,

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01:19:10,293 --> 01:19:13,253
Speaker 3: one of the big stories today, the Reserve Bank has

1639
01:19:13,333 --> 01:19:16,572
Speaker 3: cut the official cash rate by twenty five basis points

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01:19:16,772 --> 01:19:19,972
Speaker 3: to a three year low of three percent. To discuss

1641
01:19:20,093 --> 01:19:22,293
Speaker 3: this further, we're joined by Brad Olsen. He's a friend

1642
01:19:22,333 --> 01:19:25,412
Speaker 3: of the show and he's also the CEO of Infometrics.

1643
01:19:25,492 --> 01:19:28,892
Speaker 3: Brad get eight of you. Good afternoon, Brad.

1644
01:19:29,053 --> 01:19:31,412
Speaker 2: Did they go hard enough? Wouldn't have you know? Fifty

1645
01:19:31,452 --> 01:19:34,092
Speaker 2: points would have put some much needed juice into the economy,

1646
01:19:34,093 --> 01:19:34,572
Speaker 2: wouldn't have.

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01:19:35,772 --> 01:19:36,812
Speaker 3: It would have to be fair.

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01:19:36,893 --> 01:19:39,772
Speaker 25: They actually did consider going by fifty. They took a

1649
01:19:39,893 --> 01:19:42,652
Speaker 25: vote by four to two. They decided to cut by

1650
01:19:42,692 --> 01:19:45,333
Speaker 25: twenty five rather than fifty. Let's be clear, though, that

1651
01:19:45,732 --> 01:19:47,972
Speaker 25: was very well anticipated. We all thought we were getting

1652
01:19:47,973 --> 01:19:50,612
Speaker 25: the twenty five, so tick on that box. But by

1653
01:19:50,732 --> 01:19:53,732
Speaker 25: making that expectation that you could see, or that there

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01:19:53,772 --> 01:19:56,532
Speaker 25: were votes on the committee to go even harder, that

1655
01:19:56,732 --> 01:19:59,213
Speaker 25: does send a strong enough signal that hey, they've probably

1656
01:19:59,253 --> 01:20:02,412
Speaker 25: got a bit further to go. Most expectations now seem

1657
01:20:02,452 --> 01:20:05,532
Speaker 25: to be shifting. People were thinking maybe two point seventy

1658
01:20:05,612 --> 01:20:09,053
Speaker 25: five was now the bottom. We haf metrics afternoon, we've

1659
01:20:09,173 --> 01:20:11,772
Speaker 25: changed our pick to now expecting a further cut in

1660
01:20:11,853 --> 01:20:15,213
Speaker 25: both October and November, taking their official cash right down

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01:20:15,213 --> 01:20:17,612
Speaker 25: to two point five percent. So we've done a lot

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01:20:17,652 --> 01:20:19,452
Speaker 25: of the heavy lifting, but there still might be a

1663
01:20:19,492 --> 01:20:20,972
Speaker 25: little bit more relief on the way.

1664
01:20:21,293 --> 01:20:23,932
Speaker 3: You mentioned that vote four to two. Do we get

1665
01:20:24,013 --> 01:20:27,772
Speaker 3: to know which way and who votes for which option brand?

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01:20:27,893 --> 01:20:29,812
Speaker 3: That would be nice to know information or is it

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01:20:29,933 --> 01:20:30,933
Speaker 3: all anonymous?

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01:20:31,692 --> 01:20:33,692
Speaker 25: It is all anonymous as much as I would also

1669
01:20:33,853 --> 01:20:36,572
Speaker 25: like the gossip to sort of understand it, because as

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01:20:36,612 --> 01:20:39,253
Speaker 25: well one member of the committee they didn't vote this way,

1671
01:20:39,293 --> 01:20:41,293
Speaker 25: but they did am and r about it. Of actually

1672
01:20:41,372 --> 01:20:43,532
Speaker 25: doing nothing this time, it's sort of, you know, holding

1673
01:20:43,612 --> 01:20:46,412
Speaker 25: things steady. So there's clearly a bit of diversity of

1674
01:20:46,492 --> 01:20:48,932
Speaker 25: view out there. What's interesting is it's not just our

1675
01:20:49,013 --> 01:20:51,213
Speaker 25: central bank doing this either. You look at a number

1676
01:20:51,213 --> 01:20:54,053
Speaker 25: of central banks around the world, the Australian one in

1677
01:20:54,133 --> 01:20:56,093
Speaker 25: the last couple of months at one point they had

1678
01:20:56,133 --> 01:20:59,293
Speaker 25: a divided vote. I think the UK also had a

1679
01:20:59,372 --> 01:21:02,652
Speaker 25: divided vote recently, so there's a lot of uncertainty out

1680
01:21:02,692 --> 01:21:04,732
Speaker 25: there over how much more do you need to do?

1681
01:21:04,893 --> 01:21:07,372
Speaker 25: And I think the big one for decision makers at

1682
01:21:07,412 --> 01:21:10,133
Speaker 25: the moment is the timing delays, because by the time

1683
01:21:10,253 --> 01:21:13,012
Speaker 25: this official cash rate cut that we got today actually

1684
01:21:13,173 --> 01:21:15,612
Speaker 25: hits the numbers in about a year's time, because it

1685
01:21:15,652 --> 01:21:18,253
Speaker 25: takes that long for everyone to refix. You could see

1686
01:21:18,253 --> 01:21:20,333
Speaker 25: a lot of the interest rate cuts that have already

1687
01:21:20,532 --> 01:21:23,892
Speaker 25: happened be hitting people's back pockets. They'll have lower mortgages

1688
01:21:23,933 --> 01:21:25,852
Speaker 25: and they might be spending more. So there is a

1689
01:21:25,973 --> 01:21:29,652
Speaker 25: lot of sort of timing questions going on, and I

1690
01:21:29,732 --> 01:21:32,892
Speaker 25: think unfortunately a little bit of patience for those lower

1691
01:21:33,293 --> 01:21:35,973
Speaker 25: interest rates to actually be affecting people's back pockets and

1692
01:21:36,053 --> 01:21:38,532
Speaker 25: what they spend on. So it's all about timing and

1693
01:21:38,652 --> 01:21:40,532
Speaker 25: so far it's difficult to pin that down.

1694
01:21:41,213 --> 01:21:44,492
Speaker 2: But patience is the problem because we need an economic

1695
01:21:44,572 --> 01:21:48,852
Speaker 2: turnaround right now, you know, we need things to happen today.

1696
01:21:49,492 --> 01:21:52,333
Speaker 2: And look, you know that twenty five basis points, as

1697
01:21:52,372 --> 01:21:55,692
Speaker 2: you said, was well, we knew that well in advance,

1698
01:21:55,853 --> 01:21:58,612
Speaker 2: so you know everyone's already the banks have already factored

1699
01:21:58,652 --> 01:22:00,572
Speaker 2: that in. So does it actually give any juice into

1700
01:22:00,612 --> 01:22:02,412
Speaker 2: the economy just twenty five basis points.

1701
01:22:03,492 --> 01:22:04,133
Speaker 3: Well, yes and no.

1702
01:22:04,293 --> 01:22:07,612
Speaker 25: The thing is is that economic conditions today, economic conditions

1703
01:22:07,692 --> 01:22:10,293
Speaker 25: next month. They sort of set the conditions for that

1704
01:22:10,452 --> 01:22:12,692
Speaker 25: was set a year ago. But even if the Reserve

1705
01:22:12,732 --> 01:22:15,333
Speaker 25: Bank cut one hundred basis points today, you wouldn't see

1706
01:22:15,333 --> 01:22:18,053
Speaker 25: that filter through immediately because every you know, you've got

1707
01:22:18,093 --> 01:22:20,932
Speaker 25: a large number of households out there that are either

1708
01:22:21,133 --> 01:22:23,253
Speaker 25: havey fixed in the last couple of months or might

1709
01:22:23,333 --> 01:22:25,812
Speaker 25: still be refixing in the next couple But it doesn't

1710
01:22:25,853 --> 01:22:28,612
Speaker 25: sort of hit as immediately as everyone sort of wants

1711
01:22:28,732 --> 01:22:31,572
Speaker 25: or expects, So there is always this sort of persistent

1712
01:22:31,692 --> 01:22:34,013
Speaker 25: timing piece. What I think we're seeing a bit more

1713
01:22:34,053 --> 01:22:36,772
Speaker 25: of is that the second quarter of the year April

1714
01:22:36,853 --> 01:22:39,093
Speaker 25: through June that was a bit more lackluster. You saw

1715
01:22:39,173 --> 01:22:41,973
Speaker 25: the tariffs sort of make everyone feeze in place. No

1716
01:22:42,053 --> 01:22:45,053
Speaker 25: one was confident, everyone was uncertain, But some of the

1717
01:22:45,173 --> 01:22:48,532
Speaker 25: partial data for July shows a little bit more. You've

1718
01:22:48,572 --> 01:22:51,692
Speaker 25: seen manufacturing that's ticked up, spending that's ticked up, So

1719
01:22:52,013 --> 01:22:53,812
Speaker 25: we're hoping to see a little bit more of that

1720
01:22:53,933 --> 01:22:56,973
Speaker 25: momentum coming through. It is a slow recovery, but it

1721
01:22:57,093 --> 01:23:00,132
Speaker 25: is a recovery. Nonetheless, But you're right, everyone wants.

1722
01:22:59,973 --> 01:23:00,692
Speaker 1: A whole lot more.

1723
01:23:01,053 --> 01:23:02,692
Speaker 25: I'm not sure we can get there a whole lot

1724
01:23:02,812 --> 01:23:05,372
Speaker 25: quicker without destabilizing something out the other end.

1725
01:23:05,452 --> 01:23:07,772
Speaker 2: Because equally, if you had, you.

1726
01:23:07,812 --> 01:23:10,452
Speaker 25: Know, some big cuts, that send a pretty strong signal

1727
01:23:10,492 --> 01:23:12,572
Speaker 25: that we haven't got control of the economy at the moment,

1728
01:23:12,652 --> 01:23:14,812
Speaker 25: and I'd worry it could reverse out the other way.

1729
01:23:14,893 --> 01:23:16,652
Speaker 25: So we've got to be a bit careful with how

1730
01:23:16,772 --> 01:23:17,372
Speaker 25: quick we move.

1731
01:23:17,532 --> 01:23:19,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, my go hard or go home attitude is why

1732
01:23:20,013 --> 01:23:22,972
Speaker 2: I'm not the Reserve Bank governor. Hey, now, Brad Olson,

1733
01:23:23,772 --> 01:23:27,093
Speaker 2: CEO of Infometrics, as part of the problem that we

1734
01:23:27,213 --> 01:23:30,412
Speaker 2: seem to have this much talked about two speed economy

1735
01:23:30,532 --> 01:23:32,893
Speaker 2: with the regions doing well from the experts, but the

1736
01:23:33,093 --> 01:23:38,852
Speaker 2: city's being sort of hit by property downturn and various

1737
01:23:38,853 --> 01:23:41,173
Speaker 2: problems with hospo, is that part of the problem for them,

1738
01:23:41,213 --> 01:23:43,813
Speaker 2: that they're trying to balance those two economies.

1739
01:23:44,893 --> 01:23:47,213
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's absolutely true, And look at its metrics. We've

1740
01:23:47,253 --> 01:23:49,213
Speaker 25: got some numbers actually coming up tomorrow that sort of

1741
01:23:49,293 --> 01:23:51,932
Speaker 25: puts that in stark relief. The challenge as well, though

1742
01:23:51,933 --> 01:23:54,173
Speaker 25: it's not even a two speed economy, it's just that

1743
01:23:54,293 --> 01:23:57,812
Speaker 25: everything's very bitsy. You know, different parts of rural and

1744
01:23:57,893 --> 01:24:01,173
Speaker 25: provincial centers seem to be going better, but not everywhere.

1745
01:24:01,293 --> 01:24:04,452
Speaker 25: You've got some parts of tourism that are firing, others aren't.

1746
01:24:04,893 --> 01:24:07,213
Speaker 25: Some parts of construction that are going all right, but

1747
01:24:07,333 --> 01:24:09,812
Speaker 25: a lot of others that that are really struggling to

1748
01:24:09,853 --> 01:24:12,492
Speaker 25: find activity. So I think it's just that the economy

1749
01:24:12,612 --> 01:24:14,652
Speaker 25: sort of moving in fits and starts at the moment.

1750
01:24:14,973 --> 01:24:16,612
Speaker 25: And for a lot of businesses, what do you plan

1751
01:24:16,732 --> 01:24:18,612
Speaker 25: around with that? You know, it's very very difficult to

1752
01:24:18,692 --> 01:24:21,253
Speaker 25: know exactly what you're going to see what the pipeline

1753
01:24:21,253 --> 01:24:24,013
Speaker 25: of activity and sales is. So yeah, everyone at the

1754
01:24:24,053 --> 01:24:26,612
Speaker 25: moment trying to figure out effectively still what the new

1755
01:24:26,652 --> 01:24:28,692
Speaker 25: Goldilock zone is going to be for the economy, and

1756
01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:30,053
Speaker 25: we're clearly not there yet.

1757
01:24:30,612 --> 01:24:33,333
Speaker 2: Well, inflation is what two point seven percent right now?

1758
01:24:33,452 --> 01:24:38,612
Speaker 2: Is that correct? That's right? So surely we can run

1759
01:24:38,692 --> 01:24:42,173
Speaker 2: the crank up to two point nine and see what

1760
01:24:42,293 --> 01:24:46,012
Speaker 2: we can keep going with the juice in the economy.

1761
01:24:46,093 --> 01:24:48,173
Speaker 2: But thank you so much for talking to us today,

1762
01:24:48,213 --> 01:24:50,013
Speaker 2: Brad brilliant.

1763
01:24:49,652 --> 01:24:51,933
Speaker 3: Thanks to team Great Insights. That is Brad Olson, the

1764
01:24:52,053 --> 01:24:54,852
Speaker 3: CEO of Informeatrics. If you want to ever say about

1765
01:24:54,893 --> 01:24:57,612
Speaker 3: the cut of the ocr today. I love to hear

1766
01:24:57,612 --> 01:25:00,013
Speaker 3: from you eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty Should they

1767
01:25:00,093 --> 01:25:03,612
Speaker 3: have gone for the full fifty basis points and you've

1768
01:25:03,652 --> 01:25:05,492
Speaker 3: heard what Brad said, You've got to go a little

1769
01:25:05,532 --> 01:25:07,732
Speaker 3: bit slowly in case you overcook things. And we saw

1770
01:25:07,732 --> 01:25:11,053
Speaker 3: what happened last They overcook things, but they had extra

1771
01:25:11,133 --> 01:25:13,293
Speaker 3: fifty basis points. I'm looking at what Brad said in

1772
01:25:13,333 --> 01:25:16,253
Speaker 3: this monetary policy statement. So strong exports, that's going well,

1773
01:25:16,412 --> 01:25:20,253
Speaker 3: fantastic and thank god for that. Weak consumer demand and

1774
01:25:20,333 --> 01:25:23,732
Speaker 3: a week labor market. Isn't that what gets those two

1775
01:25:23,812 --> 01:25:26,572
Speaker 3: elements cranking that If you get more optimism and people

1776
01:25:26,692 --> 01:25:28,932
Speaker 3: think they've got a bit more money on paper, they

1777
01:25:28,973 --> 01:25:31,452
Speaker 3: start maybe spending a bit more, maybe they horror a

1778
01:25:31,492 --> 01:25:34,052
Speaker 3: few more people, just go a bit harder.

1779
01:25:34,572 --> 01:25:37,133
Speaker 2: You would think though, that, you know, talking about optimism.

1780
01:25:37,492 --> 01:25:42,092
Speaker 2: As house prices have stabilized or gone backwards like massively

1781
01:25:42,133 --> 01:25:45,093
Speaker 2: in places like Wellington for example, wouldn't that give a

1782
01:25:45,173 --> 01:25:48,293
Speaker 2: bit of optimism for people to go out and get

1783
01:25:48,372 --> 01:25:50,492
Speaker 2: something done because they've got a chance to get into

1784
01:25:50,532 --> 01:25:53,053
Speaker 2: the market as well. Yeah, because we always think, you know,

1785
01:25:53,372 --> 01:25:56,892
Speaker 2: especially in Auckland, as current for this right. When people's

1786
01:25:56,933 --> 01:26:00,173
Speaker 2: capital gains arising, they get this artificial sense of wealth

1787
01:26:00,213 --> 01:26:02,532
Speaker 2: and then they're down ponsby road just having money around.

1788
01:26:02,333 --> 01:26:04,852
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, very true. Oh eight one hundred eighty

1789
01:26:04,933 --> 01:26:07,852
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Should their Reserve

1790
01:26:07,933 --> 01:26:10,092
Speaker 3: Bank of on a bit harder done the fifty basis

1791
01:26:10,133 --> 01:26:12,893
Speaker 3: points to get some optimism in the economy. Love to

1792
01:26:12,973 --> 01:26:14,972
Speaker 3: hear from you? Nine to nine two is the text number.

1793
01:26:15,013 --> 01:26:18,253
Speaker 3: It is quarter past three US talk sa'd be very

1794
01:26:18,253 --> 01:26:22,532
Speaker 3: good afternoon tune seventeen past three. So the Reserve BANDCS

1795
01:26:22,572 --> 01:26:26,492
Speaker 3: cut the ocr by the expected point two five basis points.

1796
01:26:26,572 --> 01:26:28,973
Speaker 3: It's now down to three percent, the lowest it's been

1797
01:26:29,013 --> 01:26:31,853
Speaker 3: in three years. But should they have gone harder considering

1798
01:26:32,013 --> 01:26:34,812
Speaker 3: the lack of confidence and optimism out there? Really? Can

1799
01:26:34,853 --> 01:26:36,213
Speaker 3: you hear from you? Oh e one hundred eighty ten

1800
01:26:36,253 --> 01:26:37,053
Speaker 3: eighty is number to call?

1801
01:26:37,173 --> 01:26:39,612
Speaker 2: This Texas is week week? Why are we ruled by

1802
01:26:39,692 --> 01:26:42,772
Speaker 2: weak people? Just have some guards take a bloody punt

1803
01:26:42,933 --> 01:26:43,772
Speaker 2: one hundred points.

1804
01:26:44,013 --> 01:26:45,972
Speaker 3: We get that man into the Reserve bank.

1805
01:26:46,732 --> 01:26:48,772
Speaker 2: On with Matt go hard to go home? I said

1806
01:26:48,812 --> 01:26:51,652
Speaker 2: fifty I was I was in harsty. I wasn't a

1807
01:26:51,772 --> 01:26:55,972
Speaker 2: hundred Hundi go hard twenty five points as a chicken move.

1808
01:26:56,173 --> 01:26:59,412
Speaker 2: We have all these people worried about the backlash. Well,

1809
01:26:59,492 --> 01:27:01,572
Speaker 2: we have to do something right now. All we hear

1810
01:27:01,692 --> 01:27:04,173
Speaker 2: on the news is how bad things are going twenty

1811
01:27:04,253 --> 01:27:06,572
Speaker 2: five points pathetic.

1812
01:27:08,372 --> 01:27:08,532
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1813
01:27:08,532 --> 01:27:10,053
Speaker 2: We also have a lot of people commanding on the

1814
01:27:10,053 --> 01:27:13,173
Speaker 2: news about inflation, don't we Yes, we do. So that

1815
01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:15,173
Speaker 2: that's what they're that's what they're doing. They're trying to

1816
01:27:15,253 --> 01:27:19,013
Speaker 2: ride this crazy line or this one says all you

1817
01:27:19,213 --> 01:27:23,293
Speaker 2: care about is your wanker. Auckland house prices language text.

1818
01:27:24,412 --> 01:27:26,893
Speaker 2: I need to read these in advance. No empathy. You

1819
01:27:27,053 --> 01:27:29,812
Speaker 2: rich people are horribly selfish? Is that because we were

1820
01:27:29,853 --> 01:27:34,692
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, money. When Aucklanders feel like they've

1821
01:27:34,692 --> 01:27:36,572
Speaker 2: got more money through the capital game, they spend more

1822
01:27:36,612 --> 01:27:37,372
Speaker 2: in the service sector.

1823
01:27:37,572 --> 01:27:40,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and go and buy a new car or jski.

1824
01:27:40,412 --> 01:27:43,053
Speaker 2: Well, so much of the economy is perspective, isn't it

1825
01:27:43,173 --> 01:27:46,093
Speaker 2: a perspective you know, on how you feel? And then

1826
01:27:46,173 --> 01:27:51,772
Speaker 2: that's contagious exactly, Jason, Welcome to the show, mate.

1827
01:27:52,532 --> 01:27:54,452
Speaker 26: I've got a question that I'm hoping someone will be

1828
01:27:54,492 --> 01:27:57,892
Speaker 26: able to answer. I'm close to sixty and I've noticed

1829
01:27:57,973 --> 01:27:59,892
Speaker 26: just over the last couple of years, the rates seem

1830
01:27:59,933 --> 01:28:03,053
Speaker 26: to the banks seem to drop their rates before they

1831
01:28:03,133 --> 01:28:03,572
Speaker 26: hear from the.

1832
01:28:03,652 --> 01:28:07,532
Speaker 9: R seat, and they used to they used to wait

1833
01:28:07,772 --> 01:28:08,932
Speaker 9: until that eight came out.

1834
01:28:09,053 --> 01:28:10,052
Speaker 20: He made a decision.

1835
01:28:10,572 --> 01:28:12,573
Speaker 26: Are they are playing games.

1836
01:28:12,333 --> 01:28:15,333
Speaker 2: Or I think I think I think what's happening now

1837
01:28:15,492 --> 01:28:19,173
Speaker 2: is the change is signaled. You know, they you know,

1838
01:28:19,253 --> 01:28:21,172
Speaker 2: we've got experts that go through the wording.

1839
01:28:21,973 --> 01:28:22,133
Speaker 7: You know.

1840
01:28:22,372 --> 01:28:25,213
Speaker 2: Just just the fact that they were split today on

1841
01:28:26,253 --> 01:28:28,492
Speaker 2: fifty or twenty five. I think it was four to two.

1842
01:28:29,333 --> 01:28:33,133
Speaker 2: It came down to twenty five signals that they will

1843
01:28:33,173 --> 01:28:35,452
Speaker 2: be going lower. If you see what I mean, Jason,

1844
01:28:35,492 --> 01:28:38,253
Speaker 2: there is there is, there's an attitude, and the banks

1845
01:28:38,293 --> 01:28:42,772
Speaker 2: are very astute at jumping on that, you know, because

1846
01:28:42,933 --> 01:28:46,492
Speaker 2: because every word is poured over and every word is

1847
01:28:47,532 --> 01:28:51,052
Speaker 2: selected when they make the announcement, and so the signaling

1848
01:28:51,173 --> 01:28:51,933
Speaker 2: is the adjacent.

1849
01:28:52,973 --> 01:28:53,173
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1850
01:28:53,293 --> 01:28:54,133
Speaker 26: No, that's fair enough.

1851
01:28:54,893 --> 01:28:56,293
Speaker 5: Yeah, just something I wanted to know.

1852
01:28:57,133 --> 01:28:58,972
Speaker 3: And if you still got a mortgage, Jason, as your

1853
01:28:59,013 --> 01:29:00,732
Speaker 3: if you've got a mortgage a year looking to refix

1854
01:29:00,812 --> 01:29:02,972
Speaker 3: soon hopefully No I haven't.

1855
01:29:03,133 --> 01:29:05,492
Speaker 18: But it was just something I noticed and I thought

1856
01:29:05,492 --> 01:29:06,052
Speaker 18: it was strange.

1857
01:29:06,053 --> 01:29:07,492
Speaker 8: I'm thinking he's ruling the roost here.

1858
01:29:08,372 --> 01:29:11,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good points. It is sort of. It is

1859
01:29:11,853 --> 01:29:15,532
Speaker 2: an odd thing, though, isn't it that they you know,

1860
01:29:15,732 --> 01:29:19,213
Speaker 2: they signal that they have It's almost a coded speech

1861
01:29:19,412 --> 01:29:21,932
Speaker 2: of what they're doing, and your Brad Olson's go, well

1862
01:29:22,093 --> 01:29:23,253
Speaker 2: that means this is happening.

1863
01:29:23,372 --> 01:29:23,572
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1864
01:29:23,933 --> 01:29:25,612
Speaker 3: That's why they get it right so often is because

1865
01:29:25,612 --> 01:29:26,973
Speaker 3: it's pretty heavily implied and.

1866
01:29:27,933 --> 01:29:31,132
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, this is going to happen. And that's why everyone,

1867
01:29:31,293 --> 01:29:33,492
Speaker 2: you know, in the last few times with the drops,

1868
01:29:33,532 --> 01:29:35,093
Speaker 2: we've all known what it is and everyone's you know,

1869
01:29:35,133 --> 01:29:37,253
Speaker 2: before we've announced on the show, everyone's come through and

1870
01:29:37,253 --> 01:29:38,053
Speaker 2: out that's what it's going to be.

1871
01:29:38,213 --> 01:29:41,492
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, one hundred percent. Greg, how are you mates?

1872
01:29:41,532 --> 01:29:43,973
Speaker 3: What do you reckon about the reserve band cutting? It

1873
01:29:44,173 --> 01:29:45,892
Speaker 3: just two point two five.

1874
01:29:48,372 --> 01:29:51,492
Speaker 24: Well from a banking and forest background and the porter

1875
01:29:51,652 --> 01:29:53,852
Speaker 24: that I am. I nice to send you your dollars away,

1876
01:29:53,893 --> 01:29:56,013
Speaker 24: which is really painful at the moment, but just to

1877
01:29:56,053 --> 01:29:58,892
Speaker 24: give you an idea. Since the announcement, O dollars dropped

1878
01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:03,053
Speaker 24: about half a cent, so I was just saying, yeah,

1879
01:30:03,133 --> 01:30:05,852
Speaker 24: drop at one hundred basis points, our dollar would drop

1880
01:30:06,412 --> 01:30:09,932
Speaker 24: probably do about fifty four or five over about a week. Right,

1881
01:30:10,893 --> 01:30:13,973
Speaker 24: everything important goes up. Fuel will go up. Everything has

1882
01:30:14,013 --> 01:30:16,052
Speaker 24: to get from A to B needs fuel and power.

1883
01:30:16,293 --> 01:30:19,253
Speaker 24: It would be it would be an important inflation.

1884
01:30:19,973 --> 01:30:20,213
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1885
01:30:21,412 --> 01:30:24,253
Speaker 24: So, and as long as the United States official cash

1886
01:30:24,372 --> 01:30:28,612
Speaker 24: rates is, Trump wants it down, but the governor over

1887
01:30:28,652 --> 01:30:31,572
Speaker 24: there doesn't like Trump. He's keeping it up. If that

1888
01:30:31,772 --> 01:30:34,972
Speaker 24: differential between their cash rates and our cash rate was huge,

1889
01:30:35,772 --> 01:30:38,772
Speaker 24: we could go to fifty cents US. But just looking

1890
01:30:38,812 --> 01:30:41,412
Speaker 24: at the exchange rate now, it's just gone. It's fallen

1891
01:30:41,452 --> 01:30:43,452
Speaker 24: off the cliff in the last two hour and a.

1892
01:30:43,452 --> 01:30:48,453
Speaker 2: Half, right, yeah, And I mean from an exporters perspective

1893
01:30:48,732 --> 01:30:51,213
Speaker 2: then absolutely. And we were talking about that two speed

1894
01:30:51,253 --> 01:30:53,973
Speaker 2: of comedy economy with the regional sectors going so that

1895
01:30:54,173 --> 01:30:58,333
Speaker 2: that that exchange rate coming down is great for the exporters.

1896
01:30:58,412 --> 01:31:00,452
Speaker 2: But yeah, balance of payments, you've got the whole.

1897
01:31:01,452 --> 01:31:04,093
Speaker 24: I fully understand people looking at their mortgage rates and

1898
01:31:04,173 --> 01:31:06,572
Speaker 24: their over draft rates and everything else, which is all good,

1899
01:31:06,692 --> 01:31:10,932
Speaker 24: but most of that would be mitigated by the cost

1900
01:31:11,013 --> 01:31:12,812
Speaker 24: of a lot of things going up. So you might

1901
01:31:12,893 --> 01:31:15,412
Speaker 24: say fifty hundred bucks a months of your mortgage, but

1902
01:31:15,532 --> 01:31:17,492
Speaker 24: you're going to be paying out one way or the other.

1903
01:31:17,652 --> 01:31:18,612
Speaker 24: You're going to be paying it out.

1904
01:31:19,133 --> 01:31:22,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people just want something. And you know,

1905
01:31:22,492 --> 01:31:25,253
Speaker 2: there's not that many levers around in the economy, isn't there.

1906
01:31:25,372 --> 01:31:28,933
Speaker 2: So that's the lever that we really focus on, you know,

1907
01:31:29,173 --> 01:31:32,253
Speaker 2: as citizens of this nation. So you know, really when

1908
01:31:32,293 --> 01:31:34,852
Speaker 2: someone text it and say go harder, want a hundred points,

1909
01:31:35,013 --> 01:31:37,173
Speaker 2: what they really mean is they just want something to

1910
01:31:37,253 --> 01:31:40,293
Speaker 2: turn this economy around right now. And as you say, Greg,

1911
01:31:40,333 --> 01:31:41,652
Speaker 2: it's so much more complicated than that.

1912
01:31:43,293 --> 01:31:45,612
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, our economy is not going to turn around

1913
01:31:45,692 --> 01:31:49,293
Speaker 24: after that seventeen through twenty twenty damage. That it's good

1914
01:31:49,333 --> 01:31:51,572
Speaker 24: even Econmas we're saying this week and big upturning the

1915
01:31:51,612 --> 01:31:53,892
Speaker 24: economy is not going to fix it. At the moment

1916
01:31:54,412 --> 01:31:57,253
Speaker 24: we're paying out what ten billion and interest alone on

1917
01:31:57,372 --> 01:32:00,933
Speaker 24: our sovereign debt. That damage is going to take a

1918
01:32:01,133 --> 01:32:04,732
Speaker 24: long time to come right unless we up Texas more

1919
01:32:04,853 --> 01:32:06,812
Speaker 24: and more, which is what the socialists want to do.

1920
01:32:07,013 --> 01:32:09,772
Speaker 24: Get down the road, let let the other generations pay

1921
01:32:09,853 --> 01:32:12,173
Speaker 24: for it. And then you've got the bloody teachers today

1922
01:32:12,253 --> 01:32:14,253
Speaker 24: wanting to increase. Everyone wants more money.

1923
01:32:14,412 --> 01:32:15,053
Speaker 8: We haven't got it.

1924
01:32:15,173 --> 01:32:18,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, for cover to be how long? Just get out

1925
01:32:18,133 --> 01:32:21,093
Speaker 3: your wie crystal Ballbier, Greg when do you reckon we're

1926
01:32:21,133 --> 01:32:23,053
Speaker 3: going to start seeing that light at the end of

1927
01:32:23,093 --> 01:32:24,053
Speaker 3: the tunnel coming at us.

1928
01:32:25,933 --> 01:32:30,213
Speaker 24: Well, it to start with hospitality. I guess the discretionary

1929
01:32:30,253 --> 01:32:33,293
Speaker 24: spend between you know that meant to upper hospital sector

1930
01:32:34,812 --> 01:32:36,372
Speaker 24: once you see a bit of a kick up there,

1931
01:32:36,652 --> 01:32:39,732
Speaker 24: and you can find all throughout the the eternet at

1932
01:32:39,772 --> 01:32:43,052
Speaker 24: the moment, you can see where they are struggling. People

1933
01:32:43,093 --> 01:32:45,852
Speaker 24: are buying cheaper meals and all that sort of sort

1934
01:32:45,893 --> 01:32:48,812
Speaker 24: of sort of thing. But I reckon, we're are we

1935
01:32:48,893 --> 01:32:51,133
Speaker 24: twenty twenty five? I reckon it could take five years

1936
01:32:51,492 --> 01:32:53,892
Speaker 24: to come right. But we need either a lot more

1937
01:32:53,973 --> 01:32:57,372
Speaker 24: people and a lot more tax income from GST which

1938
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Speaker 24: comes from the economy kicking up, or we're going to

1939
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Speaker 24: have to cut costs. And that's that's the reality of it.

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Speaker 13: You know.

1941
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Speaker 24: Yeah, but borrow sixty five billion and expect they followed

1942
01:33:08,812 --> 01:33:10,452
Speaker 24: me to come right within two or three years.

1943
01:33:10,612 --> 01:33:14,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, mess It's a massive concern, But

1944
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Speaker 2: there is there is also that perception thing, isn't there?

1945
01:33:17,492 --> 01:33:19,692
Speaker 2: And you know, I keep saying the same thing, But

1946
01:33:19,973 --> 01:33:25,372
Speaker 2: you know, we had that massive high of capital game

1947
01:33:25,452 --> 01:33:29,093
Speaker 2: going up that just made those people that suddenly artificially

1948
01:33:29,133 --> 01:33:31,253
Speaker 2: thought they were worth two ondred fifty grand more because

1949
01:33:31,293 --> 01:33:33,612
Speaker 2: their property was going out. We're out just spending money

1950
01:33:34,133 --> 01:33:38,772
Speaker 2: in the hospital because just their positivity changes, and you know,

1951
01:33:38,973 --> 01:33:41,213
Speaker 2: economies are a lot about just how we feel.

1952
01:33:41,333 --> 01:33:45,692
Speaker 24: Definitely, absolutely it's going to be the long Hall Fells.

1953
01:33:48,093 --> 01:33:50,572
Speaker 3: God, please don't let it be five years well.

1954
01:33:50,772 --> 01:33:52,932
Speaker 2: Where we were going for, you know, right through twenty

1955
01:33:53,013 --> 01:33:54,772
Speaker 2: twenty four. You remember survived to twenty five.

1956
01:33:54,973 --> 01:33:55,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

1957
01:33:55,853 --> 01:33:57,732
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I had survived for twenty five.

1958
01:33:57,812 --> 01:34:00,932
Speaker 2: It's like it's like, go to sleep or our sander

1959
01:34:00,973 --> 01:34:02,812
Speaker 2: won't come, you know, just wait till tomorrow morning and

1960
01:34:02,853 --> 01:34:05,213
Speaker 2: you get your presence. But the presence didn't seem to

1961
01:34:05,253 --> 01:34:06,973
Speaker 2: come in twenty twenty five, and we're running out of

1962
01:34:07,013 --> 01:34:09,532
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. We're running out an extrap. Hey, guys,

1963
01:34:09,572 --> 01:34:12,172
Speaker 2: you are letting yourself down. Having spent the last segment

1964
01:34:12,213 --> 01:34:14,972
Speaker 2: of your show talking and hearing more about more positive

1965
01:34:15,013 --> 01:34:17,692
Speaker 2: media needed, you jump right on the cash rate only

1966
01:34:17,732 --> 01:34:21,052
Speaker 2: dropping twenty five points. Maybe change the focus and discussion

1967
01:34:21,133 --> 01:34:23,572
Speaker 2: to looking for the positive steps getting me taken because

1968
01:34:23,612 --> 01:34:25,412
Speaker 2: of the drop. Good on you, Kevin, Yeah, that's a

1969
01:34:25,452 --> 01:34:28,972
Speaker 2: good point. Yeah, twenty five points. Absolutely, it's great.

1970
01:34:29,013 --> 01:34:30,772
Speaker 3: I'm very happy of it about it, But I would

1971
01:34:30,812 --> 01:34:31,772
Speaker 3: have been happier with fifty.

1972
01:34:32,213 --> 01:34:32,412
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1973
01:34:32,652 --> 01:34:35,412
Speaker 2: Well, you know you can always be happier, Tyler. Yep,

1974
01:34:35,452 --> 01:34:37,452
Speaker 2: there's always more that you want. So twenty five base

1975
01:34:37,492 --> 01:34:40,412
Speaker 2: in points. At least they didn't stay, you know, some

1976
01:34:40,532 --> 01:34:42,612
Speaker 2: of them were. There was I'm not sure what percentage

1977
01:34:42,732 --> 01:34:46,652
Speaker 2: was were voting to stay the same. Yeah, So yeah,

1978
01:34:46,692 --> 01:34:48,053
Speaker 2: good on you, Kevin fair Cop.

1979
01:34:48,093 --> 01:34:51,412
Speaker 3: Where's that? Wins Jar pots a couple of bucks on

1980
01:34:51,452 --> 01:34:53,973
Speaker 3: that one. It is twenty six past three. I E

1981
01:34:54,013 --> 01:34:55,492
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighties number.

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01:34:55,253 --> 01:34:55,572
Speaker 22: To call.

1983
01:34:59,372 --> 01:35:02,772
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1984
01:35:02,772 --> 01:35:05,532
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on news talk s'b very.

1985
01:35:05,452 --> 01:35:08,133
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. It is twenty eight pass three.

1986
01:35:08,492 --> 01:35:09,732
Speaker 3: Plenty of text coming through on this.

1987
01:35:10,013 --> 01:35:12,492
Speaker 2: Our dollar is so low now and the only good

1988
01:35:12,572 --> 01:35:16,412
Speaker 2: thing it might attract is tourists, but imports will also increase.

1989
01:35:16,572 --> 01:35:19,732
Speaker 2: Please buy local and not TEAMU. Yeah, I mean you're

1990
01:35:19,772 --> 01:35:21,372
Speaker 2: basically a trader. If you're buying Temu.

1991
01:35:21,772 --> 01:35:23,812
Speaker 3: That speaks to that speaks to your heart, isn't it.

1992
01:35:24,532 --> 01:35:27,532
Speaker 2: Unfortunately not everything we need is manufactured in New Zealand. Yeah,

1993
01:35:28,333 --> 01:35:30,652
Speaker 2: I reckon world economy gonna get a lot worse and

1994
01:35:30,732 --> 01:35:34,213
Speaker 2: we will find that we will end up a lot

1995
01:35:34,293 --> 01:35:36,732
Speaker 2: lower than three percent. New Zealand can't be a powerhouse

1996
01:35:36,772 --> 01:35:38,452
Speaker 2: against the rest of the world. That's from Pear.

1997
01:35:38,732 --> 01:35:39,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much.

1998
01:35:41,053 --> 01:35:43,492
Speaker 2: Why do people who live outside of Auckland always want

1999
01:35:43,532 --> 01:35:46,612
Speaker 2: to poke the borax of those of us who live

2000
01:35:46,652 --> 01:35:48,812
Speaker 2: in Auckland. I think you will find that we're not

2001
01:35:48,973 --> 01:35:51,372
Speaker 2: all rich pricks, and in fact, the majority of us,

2002
01:35:52,053 --> 01:35:54,852
Speaker 2: just like them, are struggling to make it back, struggling

2003
01:35:54,893 --> 01:35:57,412
Speaker 2: to keep our heads above water for life in general.

2004
01:35:57,532 --> 01:35:59,532
Speaker 2: So why would you want to throw around the world's

2005
01:35:59,812 --> 01:36:03,293
Speaker 2: the words wanka in Auckland, Because, believe it or not,

2006
01:36:03,572 --> 01:36:05,852
Speaker 2: we just like the rest of us. It's a very

2007
01:36:05,853 --> 01:36:08,852
Speaker 2: good point. There is this very odd view of of Auckland,

2008
01:36:09,492 --> 01:36:13,093
Speaker 2: and as I don't know when it was formed, was

2009
01:36:13,173 --> 01:36:15,612
Speaker 2: sort of that yuppy thing. I think it was formed

2010
01:36:15,652 --> 01:36:18,173
Speaker 2: in the eighties, there was that TV show Gloss maybe

2011
01:36:18,213 --> 01:36:21,973
Speaker 2: it was. But the vast majority of Auckland are just

2012
01:36:22,492 --> 01:36:26,572
Speaker 2: hard working people trying to get by and currently much

2013
01:36:26,652 --> 01:36:28,893
Speaker 2: worse economic outcomes than the rest of the country. We

2014
01:36:29,572 --> 01:36:31,893
Speaker 2: got punished much more in Covid than the rest of

2015
01:36:31,973 --> 01:36:34,372
Speaker 2: the country most of the rest of the country, and

2016
01:36:35,532 --> 01:36:40,612
Speaker 2: currently an unemployment rate as above six percent in Auckland,

2017
01:36:40,652 --> 01:36:43,692
Speaker 2: the highest in the country. So this idea that we're

2018
01:36:43,853 --> 01:36:49,493
Speaker 2: just floating around driving abandoning porsches on the Auckland Harbor Bridge.

2019
01:36:49,973 --> 01:36:53,492
Speaker 3: That's not quite true. Maybe for my cost game. But yes,

2020
01:36:53,933 --> 01:36:56,053
Speaker 3: that was a great discussion. Thank you very much to

2021
01:36:56,213 --> 01:36:58,692
Speaker 3: everybody who called it. Text Maybe one more because that's

2022
01:36:58,732 --> 01:36:59,452
Speaker 3: not a bad text.

2023
01:36:59,333 --> 01:37:02,492
Speaker 2: There, We'll do two more quickly. They should have done

2024
01:37:02,532 --> 01:37:05,452
Speaker 2: fifty basis points. How do you turn around a country

2025
01:37:05,492 --> 01:37:07,572
Speaker 2: where the New Zealand culture is one where most looked

2026
01:37:07,572 --> 01:37:10,652
Speaker 2: to the weekend. Tone off to play sport the next holiday,

2027
01:37:10,692 --> 01:37:13,012
Speaker 2: down the pub after work, want to work from home,

2028
01:37:13,973 --> 01:37:17,772
Speaker 2: want time off for anything that is arguably arguable from

2029
01:37:17,853 --> 01:37:21,973
Speaker 2: parental level, sick days. Okay, that's from rob. Sport on

2030
01:37:22,013 --> 01:37:25,612
Speaker 2: the weekend's good thing, right, If you're looking to get

2031
01:37:25,652 --> 01:37:27,892
Speaker 2: out and do something athletic with your mates and your

2032
01:37:27,933 --> 01:37:31,412
Speaker 2: team in the weekend, I think that will have great

2033
01:37:31,452 --> 01:37:32,053
Speaker 2: benefits in.

2034
01:37:32,053 --> 01:37:34,933
Speaker 3: The week absolutely. But what I thought he was getting there,

2035
01:37:34,973 --> 01:37:37,972
Speaker 3: and maybe I read that wrong, was the hospital spend

2036
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:40,253
Speaker 3: during the week we traditionally don't do that. We spend

2037
01:37:40,372 --> 01:37:42,133
Speaker 3: up large on the weekend down at the pub, but

2038
01:37:42,652 --> 01:37:44,452
Speaker 3: I don't know, going out for a dinner and Tuesday

2039
01:37:44,532 --> 01:37:47,412
Speaker 3: night we definitely should be absolutely we should be getting

2040
01:37:47,452 --> 01:37:49,172
Speaker 3: down there and spending money in hospital on Tuesday.

2041
01:37:49,532 --> 01:37:52,612
Speaker 2: No, you're just a bunch of dumb rich pracks.

2042
01:37:52,732 --> 01:37:56,412
Speaker 3: Heyday. I've been up here eight months and they're all right, Jordan,

2043
01:37:56,532 --> 01:38:02,572
Speaker 3: They're all right. Great discussion. Thank you very much to

2044
01:38:02,612 --> 01:38:05,412
Speaker 3: everyone who called in text on that one right coming up?

2045
01:38:06,692 --> 01:38:09,372
Speaker 2: Children was not convinced by my my arguments or that

2046
01:38:09,452 --> 01:38:13,013
Speaker 2: Texas arguments, Na Rich Frex. There it is.

2047
01:38:14,213 --> 01:38:17,173
Speaker 3: It is twenty nine to four headlines coming up. Then

2048
01:38:17,213 --> 01:38:19,293
Speaker 3: we want to have a chat to you about the

2049
01:38:19,293 --> 01:38:21,572
Speaker 3: books that have changed your life. Great story about the

2050
01:38:21,893 --> 01:38:25,013
Speaker 3: self help book industry. It's never been bigger than it

2051
01:38:25,133 --> 01:38:27,092
Speaker 3: is in twenty twenty five. But what were the books

2052
01:38:27,173 --> 01:38:29,532
Speaker 3: that genuinely changed your life?

2053
01:38:29,612 --> 01:38:32,452
Speaker 2: Because let's be honest, some of them are absolutely rubbish

2054
01:38:32,572 --> 01:38:34,372
Speaker 2: and they could make their point in about half a

2055
01:38:34,412 --> 01:38:37,053
Speaker 2: paragraph and they just extend it out by pouring more

2056
01:38:37,093 --> 01:38:40,452
Speaker 2: and more into the RaRo mix as you go through

2057
01:38:40,492 --> 01:38:40,772
Speaker 2: the book.

2058
01:38:40,853 --> 01:38:41,812
Speaker 3: It's a great analogy.

2059
01:38:44,532 --> 01:38:47,572
Speaker 14: Us talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2060
01:38:47,652 --> 01:38:50,572
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Reserve Bank says

2061
01:38:50,692 --> 01:38:54,812
Speaker 14: more OCR cuts are possible if inflation remains in check,

2062
01:38:55,173 --> 01:38:57,492
Speaker 14: but it will get more data before the next decision.

2063
01:38:57,973 --> 01:39:01,253
Speaker 14: It's today lowered. The cash ran twenty five basis points

2064
01:39:01,293 --> 01:39:04,973
Speaker 14: to three percent. Spate of shootings and live in in

2065
01:39:05,013 --> 01:39:07,732
Speaker 14: the Lower North Island with a person seriously injured on

2066
01:39:07,812 --> 01:39:12,333
Speaker 14: Bartholom You Rode around midday. Police were already investigating shootings

2067
01:39:12,372 --> 01:39:16,293
Speaker 14: on Hennymore Street on Monday, Mabel Street on Tuesday and

2068
01:39:16,412 --> 01:39:18,973
Speaker 14: a man getting medical care for a gunshot wound to

2069
01:39:19,173 --> 01:39:23,612
Speaker 14: his thigh. Meanwhile, also in Levin, a contractor working at

2070
01:39:23,692 --> 01:39:26,333
Speaker 14: Live In East school Grounds has died after a medical

2071
01:39:26,372 --> 01:39:29,333
Speaker 14: event this morning. The Board of trustees praise the staff

2072
01:39:29,372 --> 01:39:33,893
Speaker 14: and community for handling the unexpected situation. Canterbury Police have

2073
01:39:33,973 --> 01:39:38,012
Speaker 14: received one thousand submissions on the proposal to downsize rural

2074
01:39:38,093 --> 01:39:42,092
Speaker 14: police stations. The plan was too close some rural Canterbury

2075
01:39:42,173 --> 01:39:45,812
Speaker 14: sites and cut staff in others. Half Enzed said start

2076
01:39:45,933 --> 01:39:48,973
Speaker 14: dates for hundreds of graduate nurses will be delayed by

2077
01:39:49,093 --> 01:39:53,772
Speaker 14: strikes planned next month. Staffing shortages plus Simon Wilson on

2078
01:39:53,893 --> 01:39:56,932
Speaker 14: Gaza the government at How to Grow a Spine. See

2079
01:39:57,093 --> 01:39:59,892
Speaker 14: his full column at ends at Herald Premium. Now back

2080
01:39:59,933 --> 01:40:00,732
Speaker 14: to Matton Tyler.

2081
01:40:01,093 --> 01:40:03,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. So we want to have

2082
01:40:03,213 --> 01:40:05,053
Speaker 3: a chat about books that change your life. A great

2083
01:40:05,133 --> 01:40:07,852
Speaker 3: article in the Herald about the self help book industry.

2084
01:40:07,933 --> 01:40:10,652
Speaker 3: It is absolutely booming right now when it has been

2085
01:40:10,732 --> 01:40:12,612
Speaker 3: for some years. Many of these books get to the

2086
01:40:12,893 --> 01:40:16,213
Speaker 3: New York Times Bestsellers list and remained there for months

2087
01:40:16,253 --> 01:40:19,092
Speaker 3: and months and sometimes years, read by millions of people.

2088
01:40:19,213 --> 01:40:21,893
Speaker 3: Never been bigger than in twenty twenty five, according to

2089
01:40:22,492 --> 01:40:25,253
Speaker 3: the industry. So the author, just to give you an example,

2090
01:40:25,293 --> 01:40:27,412
Speaker 3: went on Amazon and search for self help books and

2091
01:40:27,492 --> 01:40:31,093
Speaker 3: it gave him forty eight pages of examples drawn from

2092
01:40:31,133 --> 01:40:33,933
Speaker 3: over one hundred thousand results. To put that in context,

2093
01:40:34,013 --> 01:40:36,932
Speaker 3: he also search search for cookery books and that only

2094
01:40:37,013 --> 01:40:39,973
Speaker 3: gave him sixteen pages drawn from fifty thousand results. So

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01:40:40,013 --> 01:40:43,053
Speaker 3: it's a massive, massive industry. But we want to hear

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01:40:43,093 --> 01:40:45,253
Speaker 3: from you about the books, whether it's self help or

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01:40:45,412 --> 01:40:48,173
Speaker 3: just in general. Books that generally change your perspective on

2098
01:40:48,253 --> 01:40:49,732
Speaker 3: life will change your life in general.

2099
01:40:50,853 --> 01:40:53,892
Speaker 2: I got one here and look, I don't think it's

2100
01:40:54,053 --> 01:40:56,492
Speaker 2: that well written. But it's got so many good things

2101
01:40:56,532 --> 01:41:00,253
Speaker 2: in it. And look, I know the self help you know,

2102
01:41:00,293 --> 01:41:02,452
Speaker 2: you've got things like the Secret that were just playing scams,

2103
01:41:02,692 --> 01:41:06,812
Speaker 2: absolute rubbish and ridiculous. But there are books and I

2104
01:41:06,853 --> 01:41:08,692
Speaker 2: think a lot of self help book writers we wouldn't

2105
01:41:08,732 --> 01:41:11,132
Speaker 2: want to call them self help book writers. But Atomic

2106
01:41:11,173 --> 01:41:15,492
Speaker 2: Habits by James Clear that has actually made a tangible

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01:41:15,532 --> 01:41:18,133
Speaker 2: difference to my life, just because it's full of little

2108
01:41:18,173 --> 01:41:21,532
Speaker 2: ways to you know, make it easy to have good

2109
01:41:21,572 --> 01:41:23,732
Speaker 2: habits in your life. One of the really simple ones

2110
01:41:23,933 --> 01:41:26,013
Speaker 2: and Atomic Habits that says, the night before if you

2111
01:41:26,053 --> 01:41:27,412
Speaker 2: want to go to the gym or go for a

2112
01:41:27,452 --> 01:41:30,133
Speaker 2: run the next morning, the night before you put your

2113
01:41:30,213 --> 01:41:33,652
Speaker 2: running gear or your gym gear out yep for you

2114
01:41:33,732 --> 01:41:35,213
Speaker 2: to put on in the morning, because you get up

2115
01:41:35,293 --> 01:41:37,133
Speaker 2: and you see it, and then you and then you

2116
01:41:37,213 --> 01:41:39,293
Speaker 2: put it on. And then once you once your gym

2117
01:41:39,372 --> 01:41:41,253
Speaker 2: gears on, it's harder to not go to the gym.

2118
01:41:41,772 --> 01:41:44,013
Speaker 3: So all those obstacles that might get in your way.

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01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:46,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just make habits good, you know. And another

2120
01:41:46,812 --> 01:41:49,572
Speaker 2: thing is just automate your good habits, you know, like

2121
01:41:50,293 --> 01:41:51,973
Speaker 2: you know, when it comes to saving money or it

2122
01:41:52,013 --> 01:41:55,213
Speaker 2: comes to you know, you know, paying your mortgage off

2123
01:41:55,253 --> 01:41:57,053
Speaker 2: fast to automate all that kind of stuff. You know,

2124
01:41:57,253 --> 01:41:59,213
Speaker 2: He's got lots of lots and lots of these things

2125
01:41:59,253 --> 01:42:01,572
Speaker 2: that you can actually tangibly make your life a lot

2126
01:42:01,812 --> 01:42:04,932
Speaker 2: lot easier and better and teach yourself to have good habits.

2127
01:42:05,213 --> 01:42:06,893
Speaker 3: And that was a phenomenon that book because and I

2128
01:42:06,973 --> 01:42:09,012
Speaker 3: believe it is actually still on the New York Times

2129
01:42:09,053 --> 01:42:11,492
Speaker 3: best seller list. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is

2130
01:42:11,572 --> 01:42:12,892
Speaker 3: the number to call, Peter.

2131
01:42:14,732 --> 01:42:17,372
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, so we do very good. Thanks for calling.

2132
01:42:17,492 --> 01:42:19,612
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on self help box and what are the

2133
01:42:19,652 --> 01:42:21,133
Speaker 2: good ones, what are the bad ones? Whatever?

2134
01:42:22,452 --> 01:42:24,052
Speaker 20: I think it all.

2135
01:42:23,973 --> 01:42:26,932
Speaker 9: Depends on yourself, right, Like I never used to read

2136
01:42:28,133 --> 01:42:33,013
Speaker 9: much or anything other than the the Forum stories, but

2137
01:42:34,173 --> 01:42:38,532
Speaker 9: I was stuck in they stuck in at the airport

2138
01:42:38,732 --> 01:42:41,412
Speaker 9: for waiting for a play for seven hours. In the

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01:42:41,492 --> 01:42:44,732
Speaker 9: first book I picked up at the broads actually was

2140
01:42:44,772 --> 01:42:47,652
Speaker 9: called The Meg you know, the Bloody Prestorp Shut.

2141
01:42:47,893 --> 01:42:51,492
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, great movie afterwards.

2142
01:42:51,532 --> 01:42:54,412
Speaker 12: But I first read that and since that day in

2143
01:42:54,532 --> 01:42:59,812
Speaker 12: ninety ninety three and Logan Logan Infessional Airport, I've been

2144
01:42:59,933 --> 01:43:03,492
Speaker 12: reading ever since and I just love it and it

2145
01:43:03,612 --> 01:43:06,692
Speaker 12: doesn't matter what is it all depends on of what

2146
01:43:06,893 --> 01:43:11,772
Speaker 12: I've been interested in. One self help book was secret

2147
01:43:11,853 --> 01:43:16,213
Speaker 12: to my success was the founder of Seal Team six

2148
01:43:16,652 --> 01:43:22,293
Speaker 12: and his attributes and ways like you were talking about

2149
01:43:22,612 --> 01:43:24,732
Speaker 12: put your jim gear out first thing in the morning,

2150
01:43:24,853 --> 01:43:32,053
Speaker 12: those sort of affirmation things we and yeah, like it

2151
01:43:32,173 --> 01:43:34,133
Speaker 12: all depends at the end of the day of what

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Speaker 12: you really are one thing at that present moment in time.

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Speaker 12: So yeah, God, please box.

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Speaker 2: There's there's that saying A read nonfiction fiction and I

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01:43:48,572 --> 01:43:50,412
Speaker 2: don't think this quite works, and it doesn't. It sort

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01:43:50,452 --> 01:43:52,852
Speaker 2: of doesn't really work in the topic we're talking about

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01:43:52,853 --> 01:43:55,812
Speaker 2: self help. But the saying that I used to hear

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Speaker 2: read nonfiction to learn about the world, but a great

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01:43:59,372 --> 01:44:01,253
Speaker 2: novel will teach you about yourself. I think that's what

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Speaker 2: the saying was. And so a lot of the as

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Speaker 2: you say, a lot of the lessons that you learn

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01:44:05,093 --> 01:44:08,253
Speaker 2: in life, they don't have to be that help you,

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01:44:08,973 --> 01:44:12,173
Speaker 2: you know, they can come and books, you know, like

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Speaker 2: a novel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one that I read, and I read it maybe

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01:44:15,853 --> 01:44:18,213
Speaker 3: about five or six years ago called Shanteram by a

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01:44:18,253 --> 01:44:23,172
Speaker 3: guy called Grigory David Roberts, and partly true, partly fictional,

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Speaker 3: but it paints a beautiful picture of real life India

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01:44:27,732 --> 01:44:29,692
Speaker 3: still yet to go, but man, it does a good

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01:44:29,772 --> 01:44:32,692
Speaker 3: job at just showcasing the real India and really getting

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01:44:32,732 --> 01:44:35,293
Speaker 3: into that zone. But that's a fictional book that actually

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01:44:35,452 --> 01:44:37,532
Speaker 3: was a fantastic read, and I recommend that to anybody.

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01:44:38,492 --> 01:44:41,692
Speaker 2: This text. This text someone that I could not agree

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Speaker 2: with more. The book I recommend is The Daily Stoic.

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01:44:45,053 --> 01:44:48,932
Speaker 2: I've got multiple copies of this book. I've even I've

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01:44:48,973 --> 01:44:51,293
Speaker 2: even spent one hundred and fifty bucks on a special

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01:44:51,412 --> 01:44:53,333
Speaker 2: lever of down version of this book because I read

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01:44:53,333 --> 01:44:55,412
Speaker 2: it every day, The Daily Stoic. So it's just basically

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Speaker 2: for every day of the year, there's a piece of

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01:44:57,452 --> 01:45:00,212
Speaker 2: Stoic philosophy that you read in the morning. It's published

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01:45:00,253 --> 01:45:04,732
Speaker 2: by Ryan Holiday Holiday and it's it's just great because

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01:45:04,973 --> 01:45:07,213
Speaker 2: you get up every day, you read a little bit

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01:45:07,253 --> 01:45:10,133
Speaker 2: of clos loss of e and it just helps you

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01:45:10,213 --> 01:45:12,372
Speaker 2: for the day. Love and so it's just breaking it's

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Speaker 2: broken down stock philosophy into on one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: five and.

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01:45:15,772 --> 01:45:17,612
Speaker 3: A quarter days too good. I'm having a look at

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01:45:17,612 --> 01:45:19,972
Speaker 3: it now, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is then,

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01:45:20,013 --> 01:45:20,612
Speaker 3: and I've sent it.

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Speaker 2: To dozens of people. I sent it to my sister

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01:45:22,333 --> 01:45:25,133
Speaker 2: in England. I must have bought. I think I've bought

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Speaker 2: ten copies of that boot.

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01:45:26,253 --> 01:45:27,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there was.

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Speaker 2: I gave a copy to Jason Hoyt, did you Hoidy Jay?

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01:45:29,973 --> 01:45:30,652
Speaker 2: He loved it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good man. Jordy Hay, Jordi Hay HOI

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Speaker 3: c j.

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Speaker 2: Hody, j Jason Hoyt, Great New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's the number to call.

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01:45:39,893 --> 01:45:43,013
Speaker 3: It is nineteen to four Beggary. Shortly here on news

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Speaker 3: talk'sb the issues that.

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Speaker 1: Affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

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01:45:47,812 --> 01:45:51,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSBB.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. We are talking about the books that

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01:45:54,013 --> 01:45:56,892
Speaker 3: have changed your life. Getting plenty of texts coming through

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Speaker 3: on nine two nine two like this one. A Life

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01:45:59,973 --> 01:46:03,772
Speaker 3: lis Punishing by Meat Heath was pretty solid, good to

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01:46:03,853 --> 01:46:06,213
Speaker 3: reflect on in the early morning, and it's available on

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Speaker 3: audio book now as well. I am listening to it

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Speaker 3: in between listening to you guys.

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Speaker 2: Wow, they'll be punishing, there'll be a life more punishing,

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01:46:14,572 --> 01:46:17,412
Speaker 2: So just me and then me more me the double

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01:46:18,253 --> 01:46:20,293
Speaker 2: I'm not reading out those texts Tyler, because I don't

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01:46:20,293 --> 01:46:23,652
Speaker 2: want to turn this into a self sourcing just radio

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Speaker 2: show to promote my products.

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01:46:25,412 --> 01:46:27,532
Speaker 3: Well, they're clogging up the text machine. Just you know,

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01:46:27,853 --> 01:46:28,972
Speaker 3: we get it. It's a good book.

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01:46:29,093 --> 01:46:30,812
Speaker 2: I think this is a good one. This one here,

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01:46:30,973 --> 01:46:34,412
Speaker 2: and I agree with us. Read Charles Dickens, same theme

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01:46:34,492 --> 01:46:37,732
Speaker 2: in every book, choosing virtue, family and hard work over

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01:46:37,853 --> 01:46:43,173
Speaker 2: greed and vanity and dishonesty. If you read any number

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01:46:43,253 --> 01:46:45,452
Speaker 2: of his books, and I love them. I listen when

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01:46:45,652 --> 01:46:48,892
Speaker 2: I'm running and it's just people starting off in terrible,

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01:46:49,013 --> 01:46:54,452
Speaker 2: terrible situations and just then through virtue, you know, being

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01:46:54,492 --> 01:46:57,052
Speaker 2: able to find a way through and succeed.

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01:46:57,933 --> 01:47:00,133
Speaker 3: I heard Murray Olds on here the show yesterday and

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01:47:00,333 --> 01:47:02,213
Speaker 3: he was raving about a tale of two Cities.

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01:47:02,253 --> 01:47:04,652
Speaker 2: So there you go. Yeah, the Sticks of Matt. I

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01:47:04,692 --> 01:47:06,572
Speaker 2: agree with your assessment of the Daily Stoic. I have

2230
01:47:06,652 --> 01:47:09,333
Speaker 2: multiple copies of The Boy, Mole, the Fox, and the

2231
01:47:09,412 --> 01:47:14,053
Speaker 2: Horse quite daily simple thing thoughts and simple as illustrations.

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01:47:14,133 --> 01:47:18,812
Speaker 2: Rebecca Nice, Yeah, hey boys, Stephen Covey. The Seven Habits

2233
01:47:18,812 --> 01:47:21,093
Speaker 2: of Highly Effective People. That one's a good one. That's

2234
01:47:21,133 --> 01:47:22,213
Speaker 2: a perennial that's been around.

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01:47:22,372 --> 01:47:23,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been around for some time.

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01:47:24,412 --> 01:47:27,253
Speaker 2: Can't beat an episode of south Park with Mary Jay

2237
01:47:27,372 --> 01:47:28,813
Speaker 2: to keep things in perspective.

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01:47:28,893 --> 01:47:31,293
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, not quite a book, but take You at

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01:47:31,333 --> 01:47:34,293
Speaker 3: south Park is very funny, simple thinking trick.

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Speaker 2: As expressed by former neighbors Sealed Jocko Wills, It's say

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01:47:38,333 --> 01:47:41,972
Speaker 2: to yourself, no matter how bad it is, good eg.

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01:47:42,173 --> 01:47:45,652
Speaker 2: Got fired. Good, Now I can work on the business idea. Yeah,

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01:47:45,692 --> 01:47:47,133
Speaker 2: that's the obstacle is the way thing I was talking

2244
01:47:47,133 --> 01:47:51,013
Speaker 2: about the last year, where whatever come, whatever falls in

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01:47:51,053 --> 01:47:53,732
Speaker 2: front of you, that is your path. The obstacle is

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01:47:53,732 --> 01:47:55,492
Speaker 2: the way love it, lose your job. That is the

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01:47:55,572 --> 01:47:56,412
Speaker 2: path you have to take.

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01:47:56,532 --> 01:47:58,972
Speaker 3: Yep, oh, one hundred and eighty ten EIGHTYC number.

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Speaker 2: To call right, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 11: Oh good a you guys.

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Speaker 22: Great show. Hey, yeah, great book of read it it's top.

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01:48:08,372 --> 01:48:11,732
Speaker 22: Apart from that, Yeah, I was in the book trade

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01:48:11,772 --> 01:48:14,572
Speaker 22: for years and I managed a shop and it was

2254
01:48:14,612 --> 01:48:18,732
Speaker 22: a second hand shop that really was sort of a

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Speaker 22: place people went and it.

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Speaker 13: Dealt with that.

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Speaker 22: We had a whole wall of self help books and

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01:48:23,812 --> 01:48:27,093
Speaker 22: you know it was just like a fashionable thing like

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Speaker 22: music or whatever.

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01:48:28,973 --> 01:48:29,732
Speaker 11: You had sort of.

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Speaker 22: Tony Boarder and Tony Robins Tony Robins, Stephen Kobe, Linda Goodwin.

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01:48:42,532 --> 01:48:49,092
Speaker 22: You know, totally, they all came through and and being marketed,

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01:48:49,772 --> 01:48:54,492
Speaker 22: they do well, and and you know, and it's you know,

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01:48:54,532 --> 01:48:57,333
Speaker 22: it's still happening, and and there's always going to be

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01:48:58,173 --> 01:49:00,612
Speaker 22: these self help books that are out there, you know,

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01:49:00,812 --> 01:49:05,732
Speaker 22: and there's there's so many totally. He's another one, minde.

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Speaker 22: He's sort of faded into the background now because there's

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Speaker 22: so many more people. Elizabeth Gilbert, I think your name

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Speaker 22: is and yeah, yeah, I think it helps people make

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Speaker 22: meaning in their life, especially these days, you know.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's a thing though, right do you

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Speaker 2: say that you had all those books and then the

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01:49:27,013 --> 01:49:28,692
Speaker 2: corner of the books there and stuff. Do you think

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01:49:28,732 --> 01:49:31,093
Speaker 2: there can be a problem with self help books where

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Speaker 2: you're constantly reading self help books to try and find

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01:49:34,452 --> 01:49:38,213
Speaker 2: the answer, but never acts as as endless amounts you

2278
01:49:38,732 --> 01:49:41,692
Speaker 2: could make it your your life's ambition to just read

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01:49:41,732 --> 01:49:44,692
Speaker 2: the self help box but never actually enact anything, and

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Speaker 2: never actually interact with the real world.

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Speaker 22: I think you've nutshelled it there. Yeah. People can read

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01:49:50,853 --> 01:49:53,812
Speaker 22: these books and try to feel better with them, but

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01:49:53,893 --> 01:49:55,532
Speaker 22: they're not doing anything in.

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Speaker 3: The real world there. Yeah, absolutely yeah, but I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what.

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Speaker 22: My personal favorite is Terrence the Kenna Food of the Gods.

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Speaker 22: I'll just say that, just throw it in.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 22: Think there's always going to be a market there and

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Speaker 22: there's always going to be people coming out with, you know,

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01:50:16,333 --> 01:50:19,372
Speaker 22: a bit of mouse trap as they would say.

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01:50:20,013 --> 01:50:23,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the whole thing. Ah, But I think

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01:50:24,093 --> 01:50:25,933
Speaker 2: there are ones, you know, as I said, I just

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01:50:25,973 --> 01:50:28,293
Speaker 2: keep talking about the same one atomic havocs that just

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01:50:28,333 --> 01:50:30,812
Speaker 2: add things that actually, I know now made my life better.

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01:50:30,853 --> 01:50:33,492
Speaker 2: And it's the same with The Daily Stock and a

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01:50:33,532 --> 01:50:35,732
Speaker 2: lot of the other books I've read from Stoicism that

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01:50:35,893 --> 01:50:38,253
Speaker 2: actually have practical things that actually make your life better,

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Speaker 2: and they're not running a scam on you. Definitely, you're

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01:50:40,412 --> 01:50:42,932
Speaker 2: not trying to extend an idea with a catchy title

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01:50:42,973 --> 01:50:45,213
Speaker 2: with a swear word and it just to get you

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Speaker 2: to buy the book.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what book that could be? Hell? And how

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 13: Hi?

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Speaker 19: Good?

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Speaker 27: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: And what's your book?

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01:50:54,893 --> 01:50:58,333
Speaker 27: Who Moved My Cheese? By Spencer Johnson?

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Speaker 3: Oh, having a look up Who Moves My Cheese? Great title,

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01:51:05,013 --> 01:51:05,293
Speaker 3: it's a.

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Speaker 12: Really, really really short book.

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Speaker 27: It's probably only twenty pages long and it's pretty much

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01:51:09,333 --> 01:51:13,532
Speaker 27: all you know sketched out, but it's about two humans

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01:51:13,572 --> 01:51:16,492
Speaker 27: and two little mice called He and Horror and they

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Speaker 27: go to a cheese station every day and then eventually

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Speaker 27: the cheese is finished. And it's about learning to cope

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Speaker 27: with change and looking for the signs of change and

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Speaker 27: the cheese can be anything that you want it to

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Speaker 27: be in your life, and it's about going out and

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Speaker 27: getting it and embracing change in a positive way rather

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Speaker 27: than you know, not liking to move with it. And

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Speaker 27: I just found it really really helpful, and it's a

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Speaker 27: really good book that you can just look at and

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Speaker 27: reflect upon. You open it and you see one of

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Speaker 27: the you know, the little writings on the wall, and

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01:51:47,093 --> 01:51:49,532
Speaker 27: just remind yourself that, you know, change isn't always bad

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01:51:50,452 --> 01:51:52,412
Speaker 27: and it comes with some positive things as well. Like

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01:51:52,492 --> 01:51:54,572
Speaker 27: you say, that obstacle that's in your way, it's not

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Speaker 27: an obstacle, it's it's a reason to change and you

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Speaker 27: know you can grow from that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because there's so many different ways of

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01:52:01,772 --> 01:52:04,173
Speaker 2: saying the same kind of message. You know, who move

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01:52:04,253 --> 01:52:06,133
Speaker 2: my cheese, The obstacle is my way. You know, there's

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01:52:06,213 --> 01:52:08,772
Speaker 2: there's there's so many ways. But this is your huge book.

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Speaker 2: I don't come eeve one I've ever heard of it.

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01:52:10,053 --> 01:52:12,333
Speaker 2: It's one of the most successful business books of all time.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, it's brilliant and as I say, it's you can

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01:52:16,372 --> 01:52:18,933
Speaker 27: actually watch it on YouTube. How easy use that. But

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01:52:19,293 --> 01:52:21,572
Speaker 27: the book's quite nice because you can just it's really

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01:52:21,692 --> 01:52:23,812
Speaker 27: short read. You can probably read it in seven minutes.

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01:52:23,893 --> 01:52:27,852
Speaker 27: But it's really really good. I thoroughly, I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great recommendation. Think thanks very much. It's

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01:52:30,973 --> 01:52:34,452
Speaker 3: called Who Moved My Cheese? By doctor Spencer Johnson and

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01:52:34,572 --> 01:52:36,652
Speaker 3: sounds like a fast read, which I love. Oh eight

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01:52:36,652 --> 01:52:38,932
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:52:39,053 --> 01:52:44,013
Speaker 2: The Godfather's that's a fantastic book by Mario Apuzzo. I

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01:52:44,053 --> 01:52:46,412
Speaker 2: need to read that great, great movie, but also a

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01:52:46,492 --> 01:52:48,492
Speaker 2: fantastic book. And you know, that's one of those that

2350
01:52:48,572 --> 01:52:50,812
Speaker 2: goes back to saying, you know, a great novel will

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01:52:50,853 --> 01:52:54,253
Speaker 2: teach you about yourself. That that's a pretty pretty, pretty

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01:52:54,253 --> 01:52:55,612
Speaker 2: goddamn deep book when you read it.

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Speaker 3: I think we've got time for Helen before we've got

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Speaker 3: a play some messages.

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Speaker 28: Cant I Helen, Hi, My book's the five Love Language

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01:53:03,772 --> 01:53:07,772
Speaker 28: is by Gary Tatman. So, if you've ever given someone

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Speaker 28: a gift or gone out of your way to help

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Speaker 28: someone and they don't really look as though they appreciate it,

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Speaker 28: it might be that you've got the wrong love language.

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Speaker 28: And each that you can use this for your family,

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Speaker 28: for your partner, even for you. I used it for

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01:53:24,293 --> 01:53:28,293
Speaker 28: my staff as well to know how to really recognize

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Speaker 28: what they've done.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 28: So's there's gifts, acts of service, commonduction sroy telling someone

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Speaker 28: I've done a good job or I've.

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Speaker 2: Got here actually if I can, words of deformation, quality

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Speaker 2: time showing love by giving undivided attention, engaging in meaningful conversations.

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Speaker 2: Gifts showing love through thoughtful and meaningful gifts that symbolize appreciation.

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Speaker 2: Acts of service showing love by performing various tasks that

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Speaker 2: are helpful and ease the partner's burdens. Physical touch showing

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Speaker 2: love through physical gestures such as hugging, kissing, and holding hands,

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Speaker 2: among others.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, and you see people trying with you know, acts

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Speaker 28: of suit us from help you and getting nowhere, and

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Speaker 28: they just don't understand that that's it's not the way

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Speaker 28: to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I love it so much for your call, Helen.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, what a great discussion it is eight minutes to four,

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Speaker 3: will be back very shortly. You're listening to Matt and

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Speaker 3: Tyler good Afternoons.

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Speaker 1: You the big stories, the big issues, the big trends

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Speaker 3: Talks B News Talks hed B five to four. A

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Speaker 3: couple of texts to wrap this up, guys. The book

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Speaker 3: Fish It's about turning around a toxic workplace or I

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Speaker 3: remember reading that in a workplace. Actually very good book.

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Speaker 3: And another one for Dickens Tailors, two Cities. Absolutely fantastic read.

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Speaker 3: Nothing beats Dickens.

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Speaker 2: And novels are The Romantic by William Boyd. Absolute beautiful

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Speaker 2: book that will tell you all you need to know

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Speaker 2: about life. And if that doesn't get you, their Lover's

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Speaker 2: Blind by the same author. Those are great books. William

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Speaker 2: Boyd is a fantastic writer.

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Speaker 3: Love that Chet fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the in the show, and thanks

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Speaker 2: for all your calls and texts today, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: The full mattin Tile Afternoons podcast will be are in

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Speaker 2: an hour, so if you missed our chats on whether

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Speaker 2: councils do enough to encourage business after one Richmond coffee

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Speaker 2: shop that it's flag removed, and our other chat on

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Speaker 2: was twenty five base of points, the right drop in

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Speaker 2: the ocrbor right now, Tyler, why the how am I

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Speaker 2: playing this punishing song from the Lego movie? What a tune?

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Speaker 3: Everything is awesome. Let's get some positivity in this country.

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Speaker 3: Stop the malaise, get your mojo back.

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Speaker 2: Get a master, Lady Malays, come over the country. The

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Speaker 2: powerful Heather duplessy Ellen is up next, but until tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Give him a taste of Kiwi from us.

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Speaker 2: Bussome. Three years later, Bossom, everything is browsels.

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