1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed be 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,773 --> 00:00:20,493 Speaker 2: Sixteen people have been confirmed dead, while forty remain in 4 00:00:20,653 --> 00:00:25,332 Speaker 2: hospital after a terror attack against Australia's Jewish community. Just 5 00:00:25,412 --> 00:00:28,333 Speaker 2: before nine pm New Zealand Time two government open fire 6 00:00:28,653 --> 00:00:31,972 Speaker 2: on a crown of one hundreds attending a Honaker celebration 7 00:00:32,133 --> 00:00:34,693 Speaker 2: at Bondai Beach. For the latest, we are joined by 8 00:00:34,732 --> 00:00:38,452 Speaker 2: our Australian correspondent Murray Olds. Very good afternoon, Jim Murray, Yeah, 9 00:00:38,493 --> 00:00:42,732 Speaker 2: Hi man Hi Tyligan y afternoon. So what is the latest, Murray? 10 00:00:42,893 --> 00:00:45,333 Speaker 3: Well, there's been a budge of developments this morning. We 11 00:00:45,373 --> 00:00:48,892 Speaker 3: had our political leaders, police leaders and so on. This 12 00:00:48,973 --> 00:00:51,573 Speaker 3: morning we had the Prime Minister, we had the Premier 13 00:00:51,613 --> 00:00:56,053 Speaker 3: review South Wales, brand new police commissioner, and just in 14 00:00:56,093 --> 00:01:00,613 Speaker 3: the last few minutes we've confirmed that one of the 15 00:01:00,693 --> 00:01:04,413 Speaker 3: victims was a rabbi. He only became a father again. 16 00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:09,813 Speaker 3: Last month, the ABC's learned of the identities of five 17 00:01:09,853 --> 00:01:14,373 Speaker 3: of the victims. Two were rabbis. We understand that visiting 18 00:01:14,572 --> 00:01:17,932 Speaker 3: French Jewish fellow from France was visiting. He died on 19 00:01:17,973 --> 00:01:21,212 Speaker 3: the beach as well. Along with two others. As you said, 20 00:01:21,493 --> 00:01:24,373 Speaker 3: sixteen people died in total. One of them was the gunment. 21 00:01:24,373 --> 00:01:27,292 Speaker 3: He was shot dead by police. A fifty year old father. 22 00:01:27,853 --> 00:01:30,292 Speaker 3: His twenty four year old son was shot and wounded 23 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:34,293 Speaker 3: by police. He's critical he remains in hospital. Alex Ribchen 24 00:01:34,652 --> 00:01:38,572 Speaker 3: is one of Australia's Jewish leaders, lives in Sydney and 25 00:01:38,893 --> 00:01:41,932 Speaker 3: he rushed a Bondai beach, I mean Bondai Beach. For 26 00:01:42,013 --> 00:01:45,453 Speaker 3: goodness sake, it was a beautiful evening, I mean gone on. 27 00:01:45,613 --> 00:01:48,413 Speaker 3: We all know Bondai Beach. It was up the northern end, 28 00:01:49,613 --> 00:01:52,453 Speaker 3: and you know there was a crowded Jewish kids celebrating 29 00:01:52,493 --> 00:01:55,533 Speaker 3: the first night of Hanuka. And these two clowns have 30 00:01:55,613 --> 00:01:59,413 Speaker 3: turned up and hopped on the little overbridge and opened fire. 31 00:02:00,133 --> 00:02:02,653 Speaker 3: And Alex Ribchin, as I said, he's one of the 32 00:02:03,253 --> 00:02:06,893 Speaker 3: the leaders of Australia's Jewish community, he high tailed it 33 00:02:06,933 --> 00:02:09,773 Speaker 3: down to Bondai when news broke of the attack, praying 34 00:02:09,773 --> 00:02:12,813 Speaker 3: that Rabbi Eli Schlanger was not among the dead because 35 00:02:12,813 --> 00:02:15,893 Speaker 3: he was an absolute beacon apparently in the Jewish community, 36 00:02:15,933 --> 00:02:18,972 Speaker 3: as I say, a dad only a month ago. Anyway, 37 00:02:19,013 --> 00:02:22,453 Speaker 3: he is among the dead, and they're being born today. 38 00:02:22,532 --> 00:02:26,893 Speaker 3: Fifteen in total killed by these two gunmen. Sajid Akram 39 00:02:27,173 --> 00:02:29,413 Speaker 3: is the father. He was shot and killed by police 40 00:02:29,413 --> 00:02:32,613 Speaker 3: at the scene, twenty four year old son Navid. He 41 00:02:32,653 --> 00:02:35,613 Speaker 3: remains in hospital, as I said, critical condition. There's a 42 00:02:35,653 --> 00:02:37,413 Speaker 3: whole bunch of other things I can go through with 43 00:02:37,493 --> 00:02:43,773 Speaker 3: you lads if you like. We've got in hospital as well. 44 00:02:43,853 --> 00:02:47,933 Speaker 3: The Bondai massacre hero. This guy extraordinary. We've all seen 45 00:02:47,933 --> 00:02:52,213 Speaker 3: the vision. Ahmed al Ahmed his name. He is the 46 00:02:52,252 --> 00:02:54,613 Speaker 3: owner of a fruit shop down in southern Sydney. Happened 47 00:02:54,613 --> 00:02:57,252 Speaker 3: to be at Bondai Beach apparently with the family yesterday. 48 00:02:57,893 --> 00:03:01,813 Speaker 3: Now he didn't run away like so many people. They 49 00:03:01,893 --> 00:03:04,733 Speaker 3: just ran for their lives. They high tailed up off 50 00:03:04,773 --> 00:03:08,213 Speaker 3: the beach, straight across Campbell Parade and into whatever you know, 51 00:03:08,413 --> 00:03:10,333 Speaker 3: heidy hole they could find. It could be a cafe, 52 00:03:10,373 --> 00:03:13,093 Speaker 3: could be a bar, it could be a restaurant. Not 53 00:03:13,213 --> 00:03:16,493 Speaker 3: this fellow, Ahmed al Ahmed. He snuck up on the 54 00:03:16,573 --> 00:03:19,493 Speaker 3: on the second gunment and jumped him. He just came 55 00:03:19,573 --> 00:03:23,532 Speaker 3: running and we've all seen the business. Extraordinary, it's absolute breathtaking. 56 00:03:23,893 --> 00:03:29,133 Speaker 3: And so he was apparently shot twice, not badly hurt, 57 00:03:29,173 --> 00:03:31,613 Speaker 3: but he was he was hit bad enough to go 58 00:03:31,693 --> 00:03:38,613 Speaker 3: to hospital. He's been actually honored by in Israel. He's 59 00:03:38,653 --> 00:03:41,293 Speaker 3: now righteous among the Nations, which is a term that's 60 00:03:41,333 --> 00:03:46,732 Speaker 3: apparently reserved for non Jews who risked their life an extraordinary, 61 00:03:46,733 --> 00:03:47,973 Speaker 3: extraordinary courage. 62 00:03:48,133 --> 00:03:51,452 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, how did he because I'm trying to work 63 00:03:51,453 --> 00:03:53,653 Speaker 2: out exactly. You know, I've watched the footage a lot, 64 00:03:53,853 --> 00:03:58,013 Speaker 2: So how was he shot during that that heroaric, heroic act. 65 00:03:58,893 --> 00:04:03,293 Speaker 3: That we look. I don't know he he's taken the 66 00:04:03,293 --> 00:04:06,853 Speaker 3: shotgun off the It looks like a fart because the son, 67 00:04:07,253 --> 00:04:10,013 Speaker 3: you know, the younger man, was back on the bridge right, 68 00:04:10,733 --> 00:04:13,013 Speaker 3: and it looks like the father now whether or not 69 00:04:13,053 --> 00:04:15,533 Speaker 3: the son is open fire as his dad was running 70 00:04:15,533 --> 00:04:21,213 Speaker 3: back towards towards the bridge, and this fellow, Ahmed al 71 00:04:21,253 --> 00:04:24,133 Speaker 3: Ahmed was he was back behind that tree with the 72 00:04:24,173 --> 00:04:28,293 Speaker 3: shotgun up against the tree. So I guess the idea 73 00:04:28,413 --> 00:04:32,453 Speaker 3: is he must have he must have been wounded, perhaps 74 00:04:32,613 --> 00:04:36,733 Speaker 3: long distance. We don't know exactly precisely, but apparently he 75 00:04:36,893 --> 00:04:40,533 Speaker 3: is in hospital but not critical. Forty others are in 76 00:04:40,573 --> 00:04:44,213 Speaker 3: hospital as we know. The two people died of a night, 77 00:04:44,253 --> 00:04:46,533 Speaker 3: a ten year old girl and a forty year old man. 78 00:04:47,853 --> 00:04:51,933 Speaker 3: The ages of the victims ten to eighty seven. We 79 00:04:52,013 --> 00:04:54,533 Speaker 3: understand one man died in the beach. He survived the 80 00:04:54,533 --> 00:04:57,813 Speaker 3: Holocaust and he died with his wife of more than 81 00:04:57,853 --> 00:05:02,853 Speaker 3: fifty years. You've got The Jewish Board of Deputies has 82 00:05:02,933 --> 00:05:07,613 Speaker 3: confirmed it's recommended to every synagogue, every childcare center, every 83 00:05:07,773 --> 00:05:11,653 Speaker 3: kosher strant and Sydney please stay shut until further notice. 84 00:05:12,613 --> 00:05:15,653 Speaker 3: The celebrations marking the first day of Hunaka, the Jewish holiday, 85 00:05:15,733 --> 00:05:21,493 Speaker 3: canciled in many Australian cities last night. The two gun 86 00:05:21,573 --> 00:05:25,373 Speaker 3: and we understand based in a Campsy airbn B before 87 00:05:25,413 --> 00:05:29,053 Speaker 3: the attack. Now police rate of that property this morning 88 00:05:29,453 --> 00:05:31,813 Speaker 3: that earlier rate of the family home at Bonnirig, also 89 00:05:31,853 --> 00:05:35,133 Speaker 3: in southwest Sydney. So there must have been planning this 90 00:05:35,253 --> 00:05:38,573 Speaker 3: for a while. I've gone there to the teeth. The 91 00:05:38,613 --> 00:05:43,253 Speaker 3: father was a licensed gun owner. He had six weapons 92 00:05:43,293 --> 00:05:46,213 Speaker 3: registered with police and they've recovered six weapons as well. 93 00:05:46,973 --> 00:05:50,693 Speaker 3: And the political side of things, well, the Primary of 94 00:05:50,733 --> 00:05:54,293 Speaker 3: New South Wales has come out and said listen, everybody 95 00:05:54,333 --> 00:05:58,573 Speaker 3: who who cares about you know, societal cohesion, and so 96 00:05:58,573 --> 00:06:01,413 Speaker 3: I put your arms around the Jewish community today down 97 00:06:01,493 --> 00:06:03,773 Speaker 3: to Alberanzi of course has been lashed by the Jewish 98 00:06:03,853 --> 00:06:08,053 Speaker 3: leadership in Israel. Benjaminette. Yahoo didn't mess nor to the 99 00:06:08,373 --> 00:06:12,573 Speaker 3: Israeli President Anthony Alberanezi will not bite today other than 100 00:06:12,573 --> 00:06:16,053 Speaker 3: to say all Australians condemned this attack. But you know 101 00:06:16,093 --> 00:06:18,933 Speaker 3: the federal government, it's you know, the players. The nose 102 00:06:18,973 --> 00:06:21,493 Speaker 3: in your face has been accused for the last two years, 103 00:06:21,493 --> 00:06:24,733 Speaker 3: ever since that herickic attack in southern Israel by Hamas. 104 00:06:25,133 --> 00:06:27,653 Speaker 3: I'm not doing enough, not doing enough to crack down 105 00:06:27,653 --> 00:06:30,013 Speaker 3: on these clowns in society. I mean, Australia is one 106 00:06:30,013 --> 00:06:35,333 Speaker 3: of the most multi racial, multi faith societies in the world. 107 00:06:35,813 --> 00:06:38,973 Speaker 3: I mean that's everyone's in migrant here unless you're indigenous, 108 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:42,693 Speaker 3: and that this has just come as such a bloody shock. 109 00:06:43,413 --> 00:06:46,013 Speaker 3: Everyone's just gobsmacked by what's happened. 110 00:06:46,533 --> 00:06:49,293 Speaker 2: What does this mean for the Jewish community going forward 111 00:06:49,293 --> 00:06:49,973 Speaker 2: in Australia. 112 00:06:51,093 --> 00:06:54,213 Speaker 3: Well, it's very strong, mat it's a very very strong community. 113 00:06:55,013 --> 00:06:57,053 Speaker 3: They get strength from each other, they get strength from 114 00:06:57,053 --> 00:07:00,653 Speaker 3: their faith, they get strength from their education institutions, and 115 00:07:00,693 --> 00:07:03,853 Speaker 3: they get strength from ordinary Assi's ordinary ozz has got 116 00:07:03,853 --> 00:07:09,533 Speaker 3: no problem, no problem whatsoever with Jews, with more with 117 00:07:09,653 --> 00:07:12,773 Speaker 3: any faith, I mean, heavens above. We're all human beings, 118 00:07:13,693 --> 00:07:16,893 Speaker 3: but some warped and twisted I don't know, ideology perhaps 119 00:07:17,453 --> 00:07:19,733 Speaker 3: you know. And I hope to find out, We hope 120 00:07:19,733 --> 00:07:23,293 Speaker 3: to find out how these two were radicalized. Perhaps it 121 00:07:23,373 --> 00:07:29,173 Speaker 3: was online Asio I know our domestic security agency, it's 122 00:07:29,213 --> 00:07:33,893 Speaker 3: the domestic spy organization, if you will, apparently did have 123 00:07:34,253 --> 00:07:36,813 Speaker 3: tabs on one of the pair with the younger man, 124 00:07:37,333 --> 00:07:41,333 Speaker 3: but nothing was done on that. And this is the result. 125 00:07:41,373 --> 00:07:43,853 Speaker 3: And boyere boy, there's going to be some there's going 126 00:07:43,933 --> 00:07:45,853 Speaker 3: to be some questions asked at the very highest levels 127 00:07:45,853 --> 00:07:47,933 Speaker 3: about how these fellas were not on the radar. 128 00:07:48,373 --> 00:07:50,813 Speaker 2: I'm sure there will be. Murray really appreciate you coming 129 00:07:50,853 --> 00:07:53,373 Speaker 2: on and giving us your analysis, and we might catch 130 00:07:53,453 --> 00:07:55,133 Speaker 2: up with you a little bit later on this afternoon. 131 00:07:56,253 --> 00:07:58,453 Speaker 3: That's fine, Matt and Tyler to speak to you. 132 00:07:58,453 --> 00:08:00,533 Speaker 2: All the very best, Yeah, and our thoughts going out 133 00:08:00,573 --> 00:08:03,893 Speaker 2: to our cousins in Australia certainly. That is Murray Olds 134 00:08:03,893 --> 00:08:05,573 Speaker 2: are Australian a correspondent. 135 00:08:06,093 --> 00:08:09,013 Speaker 1: For more from News talks'd be listen line on air 136 00:08:09,213 --> 00:08:11,893 Speaker 1: or online and keep our shows with you wherever you 137 00:08:11,973 --> 00:08:14,413 Speaker 1: go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio