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Speaker 1: Beef and Lamb New Zealand are happy this morning after

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Speaker 1: yesterday's RMA reform announcement. We've got changes to freshwater management,

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Speaker 1: we've got the removal of land use capability. Kate Ackland,

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Speaker 1: chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand, with me this morning.

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Speaker 1: Hi Kate, good morning, Good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Can you give us just a rundown in simple terms

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Speaker 1: what this will mean for your average farm.

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Speaker 2: So what we're saying is they're addressing some of the

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Speaker 2: issues that we've been calling for change on for a

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Speaker 2: long time, particularly in the freshwater space, because the rules

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Speaker 2: that were in place were complex, they weren't practical, and

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Speaker 2: actually in some cases they were impossible to meet. So

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Speaker 2: there would have been some really big implications, I think,

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Speaker 2: particularly for our hell country farmers and our more extensive

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Speaker 2: farmers that we're facing some really costly sensing and stock

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Speaker 2: exclusions particularly.

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Speaker 1: And so this means it's less about this number, that number,

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Speaker 1: that metric and more about the overall health of their

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Speaker 1: waterways of the environment. Is that a good summary?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And just removing some of those very sort

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Speaker 2: of specific rules that, as I said, were impossible to meet,

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Speaker 2: you know, There's one example that they had a number

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Speaker 2: around suspended fine sentiments that independent research showed that even

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Speaker 2: if you stopped agriculture and the catchments were returned to

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Speaker 2: their natural state so to bush effectively, and thirty eight

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Speaker 2: percent of the rivers still wouldn't meet those natural bottom

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Speaker 2: line numbers that they put in place, So, you know,

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Speaker 2: just really impractical.

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Speaker 1: So the bar was too high, way too high.

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely way too high. And you know, some modeling

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Speaker 2: suggested that you'd need to shut down forty four percent

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Speaker 2: of all she can be farmland and repire it and

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Speaker 2: you still wouldn't meet some of these numbers. So really

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Speaker 2: pleasing to see that sort of consultation on a change

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Speaker 2: in direction.

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Speaker 1: K do we have to be worried about her intet

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Speaker 1: national reputation? We don't want to look like some sort

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Speaker 1: of backwater that's with dirty river water running through our

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Speaker 1: country towns now.

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Speaker 2: I look absolutely that front of mind, and we can

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Speaker 2: have both. I mean, I think what it's about is

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Speaker 2: finding the balance between world class healthy waterways, which we

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Speaker 2: do have, by the way, and also of ourlan for

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Speaker 2: a really productive and profitable rural sector. You know, you've

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Speaker 2: got to acknowledge that farming can have an impact on

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Speaker 2: freshwater qualities like everything else that we do around our waterways,

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Speaker 2: but we've got to manage it right and what we

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Speaker 2: desperately need. Our rural communities need to thrive, They need

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Speaker 2: to be productive, but they need rules that are uncomplicated

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Speaker 2: and expensive and actually deliver the right outcomes, which has

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Speaker 2: been a whole of ecosystem health.

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Speaker 1: Okay, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show. Kate Ackland, Chaps and at Beef and Lamb

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Speaker 1: New Zealand.

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