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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin friends to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duper c Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talks'd

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Speaker 1: be good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show, Local Government minister on the

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Speaker 2: Council spending, the cleanup that they're gonna, well the cleanup

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Speaker 2: job they're attempting to do on this former Australian Ambassador

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Speaker 2: to Russia, Will Trump's threats to putin actually work and

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Speaker 2: yield results on Ukraine. We'll ask that question. The ad

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Speaker 2: you won't believe made it to the top ten list

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Speaker 2: of advertisements in New Zealand. It's not the Lotto one competition,

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Speaker 2: lawyer on the foodstuff's cartel case. Plus David Seymour on

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Speaker 2: the PM and the UN. It's seven after four, Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: So the governments today introduce a bill to get local

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Speaker 2: government back focused on the basics when it comes to spending.

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Speaker 2: But the reality is this bill is not needed. It's

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Speaker 2: about as useful as Labour's bill introducing all the well

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Speaker 2: being fluff that this bill is trying to undo. It's ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: it's a total waste of time and it's not necessary.

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Speaker 2: This Amendment bill contains wildly controversial stuff like prioritizing core

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Speaker 2: services and managing finances and even setting rates. How scandalous.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't need a bill to stop wasteful spending. What

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Speaker 2: we need is more. Andrew tripes, this is the Huanganui mayor.

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Speaker 2: His rate increase for the year two point two percent.

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Speaker 2: What a legend. The average for the rest of us

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Speaker 2: If you want low rates, guess what. Spend less, save money,

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Speaker 2: And like Dave Lttelly, I like this. He says, no

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Speaker 2: carrying on within Auckland. He's cut that. That saved them

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Speaker 2: It's us, the voters. We obviously don't care enough about

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Speaker 2: We'd have voted in someone like Andrew Tripe. It's as

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, congratulations homeowners. House prices in

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Speaker 2: get it Ryan? Jeez?

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Speaker 2: News TALKSB. It's eighteen minutes after four, Ryan, I take

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Speaker 2: I bounced to work, Ryan, So these bozos, this is

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Speaker 2: A Ryn, should the Blues leave eden Park? I think

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Speaker 7: I think the match venue is just one of.

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Speaker 6: So they've all got to be considered. I mean, Eden

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Speaker 7: Perhaps.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how on earth did the West Indies get bowled

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Speaker 7: For twenty seven. So we still have the record. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one shy Thanks Jason, Jason Pine and sports talk

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Speaker 2: Four minutes after four after five. Simon Watts, the Local

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Speaker 2: Government Minister. The government today introducing a bill try and

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Speaker 2: Is you know the government saying you have to do

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Speaker 2: The biggest signal we can send to local government that

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Speaker 2: Nine two is the number of text if someone says,

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Speaker 2: the CIA. Even at this point. Number twenty seven minutes

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Speaker 1: BP recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 2: He'd be ten seven. Nobody knows good afternoon twenty five

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Speaker 2: comments Seymour here at five point thirty five. This evening,

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Speaker 1: It's the World wires on news dogs.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is threatening tariffs on Russia and Russia's trading

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Speaker 10: Billions of dollars worth of military equipment is going to

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Speaker 11: To netto etc.

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Speaker 2: Is meeting the Australian Prime Minister is meeting with the

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Speaker 2: Finally, this afternoon, a primary school principal in the UK

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Three to five. Charles Krautch, a Channel nine chief political

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Speaker 2: So what's on the agenda apart from the port of

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Speaker 8: Yeah, less fun than the British teachers dance party on

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 8: I think I read that somewhere now, goodness it.

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Speaker 8: It's out there. He called it comic all some of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point too, Charles, Thank you for that. Charles

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Speaker 2: Croucher ten or nine, Chief Political Editor. It's eighteen to five,

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Speaker 2: Bryan Bridge. So how does Taparty Marti get away with this?

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Speaker 2: For two years running? Now? They have filed, well, not

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Speaker 2: as well hasn't filed an audited set of the councilthough

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Speaker 2: they say there is a coming and they have good form.

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Speaker 2: They normally file on time and they're normally audited. But

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Speaker 2: how does the Party Marty get away with two years

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Speaker 2: running no audited accounts being filed when that is what

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Speaker 2: under current legislation you are required as a political party

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Speaker 2: to do. Barry Soper on this.

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Speaker 1: Next Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: A big quarter to five Simon Watts, the local government

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Speaker 2: minister after five, right now, Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 2: Very good, afternoon afternoon run. So a bit of a

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Speaker 2: telling off the David Seymour and the Naughty corner.

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Speaker 10: It's really interesting, you know, watching the dynamic between David

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Speaker 10: Seymour and Chris Lackson on the house as I was

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Speaker 10: doing today, and when Winston used to sit beside Christopher Lackson,

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Speaker 10: there would be a lot of repartee going on, a

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Speaker 10: bit of ribbing, and Winston will be on his feet

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Speaker 10: every second question and firing shots across the house. But

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Speaker 10: David Seymour sits there very somber and no doubt because

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Speaker 10: he's just had a telling off by Christopher Laxon. I've

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Speaker 10: got to say, you know, we met, we talked about

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Speaker 10: this yesterday. This United Nations Special rapoteur Albert Barum criticizing

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Speaker 10: not just the Treaty Principles Bill, but other aspects of

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Speaker 10: the way he sees Maldi being treated in this country.

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Speaker 2: And the Coalition agreement.

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Speaker 10: He had a crack at that, yes, yes, and even

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Speaker 10: talked about the laws in New Zealand. And rightly, Seymour

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Speaker 10: saw that as our sovereignty in some way being questioned

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Speaker 10: by an amorphous body like the United Nations. In fact,

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Speaker 10: we've got no requirement to bye by what he says

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Speaker 10: we should be abiding by. But nevertheless, David Seymour was

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Speaker 10: too efficient in filing the letter off to the Rapporteur,

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Speaker 10: saying that this is not the New Zealand position and Winston.

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Speaker 10: I don't know whether Winston got up tight about it.

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Speaker 13: I'm not.

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Speaker 10: I've tried to get him today, but well, he probably is.

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Speaker 10: He probably felt that his territory was being impinged in

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Speaker 10: some way, and he's very jealously guards the Foreign Affairs portfolio,

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Speaker 10: so maybe that was the case. So how do you

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Speaker 10: withdraw a letter though he has already got there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't have been a physical it would

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Speaker 2: have been an email. Presumablise, he's gone there, it's done.

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Speaker 2: You can't unfind.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So the Rapporteur now will be waiting for the

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Speaker 10: official response from the New Zealand government, not the one

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Speaker 10: from the Deputy Prime Minister for goodness, say.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Shane Jones trumpeting how good he is as a

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Speaker 2: resources master.

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Speaker 10: Well, you've got to you've got to give it to

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Speaker 10: old Shane Jones. He claims in Parliament this afternoon that

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Speaker 10: investors are flocking to the resources of this country and

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Speaker 10: we hope that is the case because you know, since

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Speaker 10: the gas and the oil exploration permits were closed down

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Speaker 10: as one of the first acts of the coalition government.

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Speaker 10: Don't forget who was in that coalition government, Shane Jones,

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Speaker 10: But I remember at the time Shane Jones was standing

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Speaker 10: looking very uncomfortable on the stage as they were announcing.

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Speaker 10: And in fact, it was the story that I broke

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Speaker 10: that they were going to do this, and they did

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Speaker 10: it out of the blue. It was just sudden.

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Speaker 2: But also they haven't yet undone it.

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Speaker 14: That thing.

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Speaker 2: They still haven't passed the legislation to undo.

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Speaker 10: It, even though if you listen to Shane Jones', investors

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Speaker 10: are flocking. Jones said that. Look, he's been talking to

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Speaker 10: various investors in the country and Jones says he's making

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Speaker 10: the government's position clear to those potential investors in our

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Speaker 10: energy sector.

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Speaker 15: I have endeavored to assure investors in the resources sector.

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Speaker 15: That we have decriminalized the coal industry, we have validated

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Speaker 15: the gas industry. We are not in the business of

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Speaker 15: visiting moral judgments upon various elements of the economy because

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Speaker 15: we remain agnostic as to how we keep the lights on.

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Speaker 15: I had the privilege of addressing a host of mining

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Speaker 15: investors professionals in Sydney. They regard the quality of leadership

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Speaker 15: that I have shown on behalf of the government of

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Speaker 15: such stature. They invited me to be a politician in Canberra.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that was the state of origin. The

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Speaker 2: final happened to be there the same days, just so

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Speaker 2: quite convenient.

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Speaker 10: You've got to give it to Jones, and you know

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Speaker 10: he doesn't mind patting himself on the.

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Speaker 2: Back, and he does a good job of it.

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Speaker 16: He does.

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Speaker 2: Hey, departy, Mary, how do you not furnish fully ordered

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Speaker 2: accounts for two years not get in trouble?

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Speaker 10: Well, the thing that I find absolutely extraordinary is that

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Speaker 10: the Electoral Commission filed a complaint with the police last year.

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Speaker 10: But don't forget there's a lot of stuff going on

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Speaker 10: behind the scenes with money involving the Maldi Party and

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Speaker 10: various aspects of that election campaign in two thany and

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Speaker 10: twenty three. Now was they were the first returns that

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Speaker 10: they should have filed and parties have only been only

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Speaker 10: been required to file these returns over the past two years. Well,

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Speaker 10: the Maori Party the first year they filed returns but

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Speaker 10: they weren't audited. The Labor parties in the same position

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Speaker 10: this year, but the Maori Party haven't filed anything and

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Speaker 10: they say, look, the returns are in the mail. I

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Speaker 10: was talking to the Electoral Commission today. Well they've said

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Speaker 10: that before and the police, you know, they received the

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Speaker 10: complaint last year.

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Speaker 2: What are they doing now.

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Speaker 10: Of course, if you look at the Electoral Act, it's

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Speaker 10: an offense for a party secretary to file a financial

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Speaker 10: statement late or fail a financial statement to return one

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Speaker 10: without reasonable excuse. Well, as I said to the Electoral

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Speaker 10: Commission today, well they said, look one's in the mail.

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Speaker 10: Is that an excuse?

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Speaker 2: Of course it's not. And given the track record that

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Speaker 2: they didn't do the audited one last time, and they've

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Speaker 2: even said, don't worry, the audited one for last time

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Speaker 2: will come with this year's.

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Speaker 10: I'm going to get a flood of information. Let's just

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Speaker 10: hope the police have a look very closely at this

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Speaker 10: because laws are in place to require political parties to

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Speaker 10: do this. They're in place for a reason and if

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Speaker 10: they can flout their way back into Parliament in this way,

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Speaker 10: you've got to say what is what is it about

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Speaker 10: the Maori Party that should be given special treatment.

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Speaker 2: Also, people will start to wonder why you don't have

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Speaker 2: audited accounts. Well, that would be a good question, mate, Barry,

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. Good to see you as always

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Speaker 2: and people are loving having you back. Nine away from

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Speaker 2: five on News Talk said b that's very so for

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Speaker 2: senior political correspondent. After five we're going to speak to

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Speaker 2: the Minister Simon Watt's about these changes. Loads of texts

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Speaker 2: coming in, by the way, from people who are saying

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Speaker 2: we just don't have anyone decent in local government. It's

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Speaker 2: not that because I suggested, well, maybe the reason we've

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Speaker 2: got people who are spending lots of money and not

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Speaker 2: getting very far with local governments because we're not voting

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Speaker 2: for the right people. You were saying, issue, there's not

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Speaker 2: really anyone to vote for who would cut spending in

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Speaker 2: the way that you want. Anyway, we'll talk to Simon

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Speaker 2: Watt's about that after five.

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Speaker 1: It's now eight to two, putting the tough questions to

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Speaker 1: the newspeakers the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Eric Stanford is the Education minister.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so about a month ago you hosted Sir Nick

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Speaker 2: Gibb in the country.

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Speaker 7: Now, Surnick Gibb is obviously the chap who turned education around, But.

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Speaker 17: For the UK couple of decades back, did he teach

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Speaker 17: you anything you didn't know?

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Speaker 18: He's been an excellent mentor. Nick told me never give

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Speaker 18: up and never compromise. Keep going.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 18: I remember a year ago when people were putting a

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Speaker 18: lot of pressure on me to get rid of the

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Speaker 18: correquisites because it was meaning that young people may not

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Speaker 18: get there in CEA, and I held my ground and said, no,

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Speaker 18: we're not lowering the level. We're not getting rid of it.

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Speaker 18: These young people need to be literate and numerate and

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Speaker 18: we will do whatever it takes, and we are doing that.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplusy Ellen on the My Casting Breakfast back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am with Bailey's Real Estate on News Talks dB.

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Speaker 2: Five to five on News Talks, he'd be Hi, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I'm very disappointed, says Jan very disappointed with Luxon. He

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Speaker 2: should be supporting Seymour who did nothing wrong. I know

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Speaker 2: I will who I will be voting for at the

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Speaker 2: next election. Problem is for Luxon, he's sort of man

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Speaker 2: in the middle. You've got Seymour on your left, you've

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Speaker 2: got Peter's on your right. We don't know whether Peter's

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Speaker 2: got upset about Seymour writing the letter to the UN,

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Speaker 2: but you'd assume, I mean, it's his patch, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So you'd assume you get a bit peeved if someone

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Speaker 2: was stepping on your toes. Anyway, we'll come to that

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Speaker 2: with Seymour after five point thirty five this evening. Putin Trump.

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Speaker 2: After five we're going to speak to the former Australian

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Speaker 2: ambassador to Russia. The problem with Trump is he's now

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Speaker 2: the boy who cried wolf. Is Putin really going to

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Speaker 2: listen to him?

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Speaker 15: You know?

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Speaker 2: Trump is threatening sanctions, He's threatening tariffs against Putin's trading partners,

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Speaker 2: which would include China. Problem is he's threatened all of

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Speaker 2: this before, and these secondary tariffs in particular, He's threatened

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Speaker 2: these before and they haven't happened. And he's threatened and

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Speaker 2: he's talked big on tariffs to protect America's interests and

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Speaker 2: yielded on those. So what makes you think he's going

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Speaker 2: to do anything different for Ukraine country on the other

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Speaker 2: side of the world, other side of the pond. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to the former Australian ambassador to Russia for his

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Speaker 2: view on how Putin might respond. That's coming up half

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Speaker 2: the five three to two news talk, said boies Sell.

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Speaker 19: We can only ad.

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Speaker 2: On aly cotoies not to celebrate.

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Speaker 10: Just on away.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither duplicy allan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good etne A seven a halfter five. The government changing

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Speaker 2: the lord of force counselors to stick to their knitting,

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Speaker 2: to stick to their core business. So there's four wellbeing

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Speaker 2: provisions that the previous Labor government introduced in twenty nineteen, social, economic,

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Speaker 2: environmental and cultural, and this government says nay get rid

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Speaker 2: of them. The law change will also require counsels to

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Speaker 2: regularly report on their financial performance. Hello, I mean I

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Speaker 2: thought that would have been a requirement anyway. Forces them

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Speaker 2: also to disclose what they spend on consultants and contractors.

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Speaker 2: Simon Watts is the local government minister with me. Now, Hello,

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Speaker 2: good day Ryan, Thanks for having me. Yeah, good to

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Speaker 2: have you on. Hey, can you give us some example

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Speaker 2: what exactly are we talking about here? You know, the

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Speaker 2: wellbeing provisions? Some examples of what councils were doing to

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Speaker 2: meet them.

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Speaker 20: Well, look, I think the key issue is is those

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Speaker 20: well being four aspects. We're pretty vague overall what we've

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Speaker 20: done and the changes that we're making as saying, look,

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Speaker 20: there's five key areas or core services that you need

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Speaker 20: to deliver public transport, waste, civil defense, libraries, museums, and

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Speaker 20: network infrastructure. And those are the five things that you

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Speaker 20: need to do and what councils.

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Speaker 2: Need to deliver.

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Speaker 20: Before it was all pretty vague, and as a result

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Speaker 20: of that, councilors were doing a whole lot of stuff

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Speaker 20: that weren't core services.

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Speaker 2: So what happens if they've provide something other than one

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Speaker 2: of those five things? What happens to them?

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Speaker 14: Well, look, the.

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Speaker 20: Reality is now legislation that they are managed under means

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Speaker 20: that they have to deliver those core services. If they

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Speaker 20: are in breach of that, then obviously that's going to

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Speaker 20: be something that through our additional reporting requirements that we're

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Speaker 20: putting on them. You know, we'll pick up and also

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Speaker 20: importantly rate payers will be able to see that as well.

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Speaker 20: But at the end of the day, you know, if

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Speaker 20: we have an instance where there's some blatant disregard around

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Speaker 20: that the end of the day, that'll flows back up

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Speaker 20: through to the minister.

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Speaker 14: We'll have to take a look at that.

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Speaker 2: You said that the well being provisions were vague. Aren't

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Speaker 2: these vague?

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Speaker 11: Two?

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Speaker 2: I mean, isn't it. It's the eye of the behold

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Speaker 2: that whether they've done enough on transport or whether they've

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Speaker 2: done enough on waste.

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Speaker 20: Well, I don't think they are. I think the five

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Speaker 20: areas that we've designed of what you would expect and

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Speaker 20: I think what most rate payers would expect their council

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Speaker 20: to deliver, you know, picking up the rubbish, making sure

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Speaker 20: that public transport services are available, water infrastructure, you know,

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Speaker 20: those are all civil defense, those are all things that

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Speaker 20: you are bread and butter, core services for counsel. You know, previously,

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Speaker 20: you know terms like you know, social, cultural and economic

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Speaker 20: type activities. I mean they were just all catch all

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Speaker 20: and as a result, as I said, some councils across

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Speaker 20: the country, we're doing stuff that was basically wasteful spending.

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Speaker 2: So some if a council moves from picking up rubbish

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Speaker 2: once a week to once a fortnite, are they in trouble.

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Speaker 20: Well, the reality is is they're going to be judged

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Speaker 20: by their rate payers in terms of that. You know,

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Speaker 20: different requirements in different parts of the country, but I

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Speaker 20: do know that, you know, people have an expectation of

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Speaker 20: getting those basic services right, and you know councils ratepayers

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Speaker 20: are pretty good at giving feedback back to council on

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Speaker 20: whether they're happy or not.

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Speaker 2: All right, minister, appreciate you coming on the program tonight.

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Speaker 2: Simon Watt's Local Government minister. It is ten after five,

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Speaker 2: which it should just be up to the voters to

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Speaker 2: decide whether they think they're spending too much money and

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Speaker 2: if they think that then vote them out. Do we

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Speaker 2: need central government making laws for local government? Period? The

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Speaker 2: number text big change in Trump's position on Russia and Putin.

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Speaker 2: Overnight He's sending weapons to Ukraine through NATO, threatening more

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Speaker 2: sanctions for Putin and tariffs on Russia's trading partners.

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Speaker 12: I'm disappointed and President important because I thought we would

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Speaker 12: have had.

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Speaker 11: A gill two months ago, but it doesn't.

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Speaker 14: Seem to get there.

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Speaker 2: Peter Tesh is former Australian Ambassador to Russia. With me tonight,

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Speaker 2: Hi Peter, Good day, Ryan, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you here. Is this a game changer?

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Speaker 2: Do you think?

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Speaker 11: I think we should acknowledge that this Oval Office meeting

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Speaker 11: on Ukraine certainly went better than the last one, But

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Speaker 11: I don't think it is a game changer. Are we

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Speaker 11: seeing too much fickleness in US policy to think that

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Speaker 11: this marks a real sea change. But it is an

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Speaker 11: important signal and a very welcome signal to Ukraine and

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Speaker 11: NATO that the US won't hinder their efforts to defend

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Speaker 11: Ukraine at their own expense. But it is certainly not

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Speaker 11: the kind of knockout blow that I think we need

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Speaker 11: after three and a half years of Putin's brutal war

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Speaker 11: of choice.

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Speaker 2: Does Trump risk looking like the boy who cried Wolfare

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Speaker 2: he has threatened the secondary tariffs previously and hasn't followed through.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 11: We've seen reports that the Moscow stock exchange rose because

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Speaker 11: the feared economic stick has turned out for now at

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Speaker 11: least to be a twig secondary tariffs in fifty days.

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Speaker 11: That's a very long time. It's a signal to Russia,

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Speaker 11: look at where your vulnerabilities are, staunch those and get ready.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that there is a.

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Speaker 11: Little bit more backing now in the form of the

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Speaker 11: bipartisan draft in the US Senate for imposing more via

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Speaker 11: sanctions on Russia. There is no doubt that the US

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Speaker 11: could do more to hurt Russia. So far we haven't

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Speaker 11: seen Trump taking action that really increases the pressure on

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Speaker 11: Russia to halt the war that Putin started. But look,

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Speaker 11: this is really an important moment for Ukraine. It is

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Speaker 11: the equipping of Ukraine with capabilities it desperately needs to

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Speaker 11: defend itself against the increasing airborne assault missiles, drones, glide

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Speaker 11: bombs that Putin is directing its civilian infrastructure and civilians

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Speaker 11: throughout Ukraine. But precisely how the Kremlin will interpret this

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Speaker 11: remains to be seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's obviously up for debate is how seriously

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Speaker 2: Russia will take it. But why now from Trump, Why

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Speaker 2: after six months in office is he taking such an interest.

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Speaker 11: Well, that's the critical thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, tens of thousands of Ukrainian and indeed Russian

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Speaker 3: lives might have been saved if Trump had been less

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Speaker 3: credulous about Putin and if his envoys hadn't merely been

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Speaker 3: parroting Kremlin talking points for the last six months. So

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Speaker 3: if I reflect on this from the perspective of my

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Speaker 3: politically incorrect schoolboy.

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Speaker 11: Days in Brisbane forty five years ago, it's a bit

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Speaker 11: of a duh moment. I mean, have you only just

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Speaker 11: realized now that Putin has been playing you for a chump?

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Speaker 11: And I think this is something that has now dawned

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Speaker 11: on Trump. He's said, in fact, in his meeting with

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Speaker 11: mark Urrutte, the Secretary General of NATO in the Oval Office,

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Speaker 11: four times now we thought we had a deal. Well,

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Speaker 11: perhaps even Trump realizes that after the fourth failed deal,

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Speaker 11: the other party may not be actually treating in good faith.

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Speaker 11: So I think he doesn't want to look weak. He

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Speaker 11: doesn't look like he's being played for a fool, And

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Speaker 11: that is perhaps for a man who really focuses on cards,

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Speaker 11: the best card that he has, namely that Plutin has

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Speaker 11: misjudged the opportunity in much the same way he misjudged

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Speaker 11: his strategic calculation to start the war in the first

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Speaker 11: place three and a half years ago.

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Speaker 2: Peter, appreciate you coming on the show with your analysis tonight,

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Speaker 2: Peter Tesh, who's a former Australian ambassador to Russia. It's

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Speaker 2: fourteen after five, Brian, you're on news Talks here, b

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Speaker 2: we will get nine two nine to the number to text.

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Speaker 2: By the way, he sounded a little bit like dask

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Speaker 2: Vata for a second there. I think it was just

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Speaker 2: the line. Obviously it was the line that's not his voice.

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Speaker 2: Now interesting the ads that have come up. If you

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Speaker 2: think about the ads that are on TV today, nowhere

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Speaker 2: near as good as they used to be. And we

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Speaker 2: all agree on that. You know, budgets aren't what they were.

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Speaker 2: People used to spend millions of dollars on tvad campaigns.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't happen anymore. But the ones that are catching our

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Speaker 2: eyes quite surprising. There's a top ten list out and

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Speaker 2: we're going to speak to the guy who ordered one

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Speaker 2: of these top ten ads. And I think the one

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Speaker 2: that's that's snuck in there, number nine or ten, I

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Speaker 2: think it is will quite surprise you. That's next. You

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Speaker 2: may have heard business is more than just a text.

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Speaker 2: So let's be real. If you can't even get a

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Speaker 2: text through, you're in trouble. At one New Zealand. They

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Speaker 2: get that. That's why they've been working hard to give

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Speaker 2: you more than just traditional mobile coverage. Recently you've heard

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Speaker 2: me talking about One New Zealand Satellite. It's the first

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Speaker 2: and only satellite powered mobile network in the country. It

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Speaker 2: lets you do business if you're out in the wa

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Speaker 2: wops or if disaster strikes traditional cell towers fail, you

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Speaker 2: can still send a text for someone to come and

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Speaker 2: give you a hand. I've been raving about this and

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Speaker 2: now you can try it for free for thirty days

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Speaker 2: with an eligible phone. Plus the awards speak for themselves.

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Speaker 2: One New Zealand has been again named the best mobile

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Speaker 2: network in the country for an impressive fourth year in

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Speaker 2: a row. This is according to independent testing by umlart.

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Speaker 2: So do you want the best for your business? If so,

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Speaker 2: choose One New Zealand the best best mobile network for

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Speaker 2: a better New Zealand. Bridge five nineteen on Newstalk, said

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Speaker 2: b David Seymour, Deputy Prime Minister and writer of letters

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Speaker 2: that get him in trouble with the Prime Minister to

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Speaker 2: the UN and probably in trouble with the Foreign Minister

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Speaker 2: as well. We'll talk to him after five point thirty

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Speaker 2: turns out One of our favorite ads at the moment

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Speaker 2: is an ad that's been made by AI.

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Speaker 9: I'm a real Skinny mobile customer who loves them so

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Speaker 9: much that I let them digitally clone me using AI.

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Speaker 2: The AI generated Skinny ad came in fresh at number

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Speaker 2: ten of our favorite ads in the country. Tina from

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Speaker 2: Turners takes out the number one spot. Matt Bain is

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Speaker 2: marketing and data director at Spark, which owns Skinny, and

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Speaker 2: he's with meen our Hey, Matt, hey, hoy you going

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Speaker 2: So how does can you just explain how this ad

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Speaker 2: was generated? Yeah?

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Speaker 21: So, in the past, like low cost brands like skinn,

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Speaker 21: he wouldn't be able to use CGI. So computer generated

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Speaker 21: imagery to create scenes. New AI capabilities means that that's

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Speaker 21: now been democratized. So so brands like Skinny can actually

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Speaker 21: do things like you know, clony customer and then creates

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Speaker 21: scenes that wouldn't have been possible on Skinny's budgets.

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Speaker 2: This is her name's Liz, isn't it Liz from Kerry.

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Speaker 16: Name is Liz yep from from the North Islands.

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Speaker 14: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So she's a real because people will know this ad.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why, but it sticks in

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Speaker 2: your mind, doesn't it? Liz is great.

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Speaker 21: She actually used to work for Spark many years ago

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Speaker 21: as a as a technician. She's a loyal Skinny customer,

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Speaker 21: and Skinny's got this great tradition of like using its

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Speaker 21: customers and it's advertising.

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Speaker 16: So this is kind of an evolution of what Skinny

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Speaker 16: has always done.

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Speaker 2: Right, and so she's real and then she's sort of

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Speaker 2: been cloned and that part of it is cgied and

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Speaker 2: does that make is it cheap to do?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, because it used to be that, you know, it's

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Speaker 16: Lord of the Ring style.

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Speaker 21: CGI is what you used to have to do, which

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Speaker 21: is a massive production, and now AI makes it possible

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Speaker 21: to do it, you know, at a fraction of that cost.

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Speaker 16: And so for us, you know, it's a really novel

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Speaker 16: to present our new spokesperson.

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Speaker 21: And so Skinny is all about finding new ways, you know,

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Speaker 21: hacking systems, finding new ways to give customers deals and

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Speaker 21: new ways to advertise itself. And so we felt that

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Speaker 21: this technology, particularly when it's new and novel, was an

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Speaker 21: awesome opportunity to kind of do that.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's why people like it because it's

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Speaker 2: new and novel or is this just a sign that

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Speaker 2: actually people don't mind AI generation content.

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Speaker 21: I think that part of our objective was to educate

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Speaker 21: people about the fact that this content could be generated

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Speaker 21: by AI, because there's a lot of fear at the

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Speaker 21: moment around it, and so we wanted to a use

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Speaker 21: the novelty. I think over time it will become more

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Speaker 21: common to be less novel and then you know, it's

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Speaker 21: hard to cut through advertising, so you're always looking for

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Speaker 21: something novel to do. So my expectation is as it

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Speaker 21: becomes more widespread, it will become less powerful as a novelty.

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Speaker 21: But that's why we've moved fast on it to try

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Speaker 21: and make the most of that kind of novelty.

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Speaker 2: And what sort of deal did Liz get? I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you keep recreating her and she's not needed anymore,

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Speaker 2: does she still get paid?

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Speaker 21: Well, we're still yeah, we're still using her as well,

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Speaker 21: so it's not like goodbye Liz, but so she is.

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Speaker 2: She got she got a.

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Speaker 21: Talent fee, so we worked we had to work around

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Speaker 21: what does a talent fee look like when you're using

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Speaker 21: AI as opposed to just recording a one off video.

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Speaker 16: And of course and of course she got free Skinny

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Speaker 16: Mobile for life as well. So added perk on top

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Speaker 16: of bonus talent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Liz is a happy customer. Matt, thank you. Matt

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Speaker 2: Bin marketing and data director Sparking Zed also owned skinny.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two minutes after five, must remember that next time

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Speaker 2: I'm signing a contract and you know they're looking at

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Speaker 2: the AI clause. One day we won't be needed. Twenty

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Speaker 2: two minutes after five, News Talk.

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Speaker 1: Saib informed Inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 1: Hither duplic elan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News Talk dB five on news Talk said, be great

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Speaker 2: to have your company tonight. David Seymour will be with

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Speaker 2: us after the news at five point thirty. Yes, we're

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Speaker 2: in an economic recovery, but it does feel a bit sluggish.

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Speaker 2: It like it's moving at a glacial pace and maybe

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Speaker 2: it's just the wintry weather that makes it feel worse

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Speaker 2: than it really is. Apart from the primary industries, etc.

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Speaker 2: The farmers, thank you. You guys are doing fantastic, but

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Speaker 2: the usual levers that we pull to crank things up

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Speaker 2: and our economy aren't working as well as they used

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Speaker 2: to right now, housing going sideways or backwards. We spoke

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Speaker 2: about that this afternoon. Same with immigration, you know, the

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Speaker 2: tourism rebound that's plateaued, Government debt too high, too many

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Speaker 2: bureaucrats in Wellington. Still growth recovery it's on, but you know,

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Speaker 2: faltering a little bit for quarter two. It's like trying

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Speaker 2: to start a ceased engine, you know, an old larder,

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Speaker 2: no petrol, no oil, try and get that thing going.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of how it feels with the economy at

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Speaker 2: the moment, and I think that's why last night I

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Speaker 2: was so enthralled to be listening to a podcast on

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Speaker 2: Argentina and the Argentinian economy this turnaround under the populist libertarian.

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Speaker 2: They call him a right wing lunatic, Harv Malay. He's

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Speaker 2: the crazy looking one with long hair. He wore the

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Speaker 2: sunglasses during his election campaign, used an actual chainsaw during

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Speaker 2: his campaign rallies to show you what he would do

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Speaker 2: to government spending, and he has. There's no doubt some

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Speaker 2: of his stuff wouldn't fly here. He basically believes government

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Speaker 2: should be limited to defense, foreign affairs, justice. That's pretty

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Speaker 2: much it. Government is the evil. Taxes are theft, deregulate, privatize,

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Speaker 2: slash spending. I've been kind of following him a little

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Speaker 2: bit since he was elected, because he was elected around

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Speaker 2: the same time as Luxon was here, and the archies

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Speaker 2: voted for him because economically they were up the creek.

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Speaker 2: Now they're looking at seven close to eight percent growth

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Speaker 2: for the year. Inflation come right down. Yes, they have

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Speaker 2: been through some pain, a world of pain and poverty.

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Speaker 2: This is a harsh medicine that he's dosing out. But

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Speaker 2: even that's now improved on when he was elected. Now

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Speaker 2: we're obviously nowhere near the mismanaged basket case that Argentina

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Speaker 2: and the Argentinan economy was, But I just think it's

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Speaker 2: important to remember we could always be going a little harder,

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Speaker 2: We could always be going a little faster, shifting the

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Speaker 2: dial quicker than we are at present.

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Speaker 22: Ryan Bridge, eight.

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Speaker 2: Minutes after five News Talk said B nineteen nineteen was

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Speaker 2: the number to text. So we will speak to David Sigma,

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Speaker 2: who probably would think we could be going a little

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Speaker 2: bit faster too. After five point thirty, the little Stoush

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Speaker 2: feels a little bit like he's in the naughty corner

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Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister at the moment. So how's he

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Speaker 2: responding to that? David Seymour after news.

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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

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Speaker 1: drive home it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplicy allan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said b.

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Speaker 23: Did Anything twenty four away from sex. News Talk said,

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Speaker 23: be Ryan, can you please give us the full lists?

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Speaker 23: Is this texture of the ads that won the people's choice?

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Speaker 23: People voted what are your favorite ads in the country.

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Speaker 2: We spoke about skinny, which is the AI generated get

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Speaker 2: the skinny ads with the you know she's actually a

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Speaker 2: really skinny woman. I don't know if that was on purpose,

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Speaker 2: but you know Liz from Kitty Kitty, super skinny woman

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Speaker 2: fronting the skinny ads. Anyway, She's number ten, so I

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Speaker 2: will run through for you listener, the top ten turners.

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Speaker 2: Ten from Turners is number one, which I support ASB

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Speaker 2: Ben and Amy Actually don't know what that one is.

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Speaker 2: A and Z the Sharma family know that one. Tucks

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Speaker 2: feeding the key we and all of our dogs for

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Speaker 2: seventy years. Great ad one in Z Let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I've just read one of theirs, so I'll be

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Speaker 2: supporting that one. Thank you very much, pack and say

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Speaker 2: the stick man. Okay, Genesis, George and the Family Lotto

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Speaker 2: Powerable Imagine ad campaign, then KFC the Power of KFC.

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Speaker 2: There's Top ten as skinny, rounding it out twenty three

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Speaker 2: to six. Brand should have a you turn from David

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Speaker 2: Seymour Today, after writing an impassioned letter back to the

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Speaker 2: UN over the weekend defending the Regulatory Standards Bill, the

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Speaker 2: Minister has been reigned in by the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 2: reminded basically whose boss as in the Foreign Minister.

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Speaker 24: Winston Peters, as our Minister Foreign Affairs, he holds the

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Speaker 24: relationship with the United Nations. He will have a comprehensive

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Speaker 24: reply in due course with the United Nations that the letter.

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Speaker 24: I think all of us in government can read the

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Speaker 24: letter and say, hey, it's total bunker.

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Speaker 2: It turns out Winston Peters asked David for a meeting

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Speaker 2: on the whole thing yesterday.

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Speaker 25: Well, I went to find out how to talk to

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Speaker 25: David about who is responsible.

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Speaker 4: Heart works and this is a matter of experience here it's.

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Speaker 17: Called the provacy.

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Speaker 2: David seeing what is the Deputy Prime Minister with me tonight?

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Speaker 2: Home Minister, Hey, Ryan, how are you doing good? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Did Winston just tell reporters you're the inexperienced one, or

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Speaker 2: are we reading Are we reading into this too much?

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Speaker 13: I think everyone's reading far too much into it. There's

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Speaker 13: lots of people in the media and I'm sad to

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Speaker 13: count you among them that seem to have a fantasy

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Speaker 13: that this is some huge conflict that I've been rained

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Speaker 13: in and making a U tune. Lest be very clear,

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Speaker 13: I absolutely stand by the letter. In fact, what I'm

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Speaker 13: hearing from people is actually they love the letter and

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Speaker 13: kind of would love to say that to the U

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Speaker 13: in In terms of the practicalities of it, I was

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Speaker 13: under the impression that we should reply to the parts

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Speaker 13: of the letter that related to our particular responsibilities in

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Speaker 13: my case regulation. Winston came and said, look, really I

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Speaker 13: need to respond on behalf of the government, myself as

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Speaker 13: the Minister of Foreign Affairs. I said, that's absolutely fine,

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Speaker 13: and subsequently caught up with course, who I think is

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Speaker 13: fair to say loves the letter too. He said that

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Speaker 13: what the UN wrote was buncom but it's just a

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Speaker 13: matter of who replies and what sequence, and turned out

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Speaker 13: I'm a bit too efficient answering my correspondence.

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Speaker 2: So the no, you say, there's no U tune but

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Speaker 2: did you unsend the letter?

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Speaker 13: Well, I will, but in terms of what the messages,

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Speaker 13: the same message is going out. It's just a matter

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Speaker 13: of formatting.

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Speaker 2: Who's sending it. But so how do you undersend the letter?

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Speaker 13: Well, I still got to work that out, of course,

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Speaker 13: I just got to. I got a check that I'll

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Speaker 13: probably have to go through Winston because you know, he

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Speaker 13: probably doesn't want me to write direct to the UN. Again,

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Speaker 13: I think that would probably miss the whole point of

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Speaker 13: the exercise. So look, I've sought that out. But the

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Speaker 13: end of the day, you know, everyone in our governments

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Speaker 13: united on one thing that what the UN wrote to

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Speaker 13: us was, well, what did Chris A bunkom? And we

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Speaker 13: got to send a response. And I said to Winston, look,

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Speaker 13: I don't mind polly my letter back as long as

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Speaker 13: the one you eventually right makes the same points.

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Speaker 5: And he said to me, you won't be disappointed. So

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Speaker 5: look forward to seeing that.

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Speaker 2: You all agree on the substance of it. It's just

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Speaker 2: about who's pushing the button, who's hitting set.

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Speaker 13: Well, yeah, there's and there's one other thing that bear

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Speaker 13: in mind that you know, the UN letter actually targeted

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Speaker 13: about five different ministers, So he now wants to get

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Speaker 13: together everybody is and put it in one response, which

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Speaker 13: is fine.

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Speaker 2: And the coalition agreement between the Zealand First and Nationalism

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Speaker 2: I mean anyway, it was quite wide ranging, very quickly.

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Speaker 2: While we've got you Lux and the Prime Minister, I

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Speaker 2: should say, said yesterday he thinks the idea of a

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Speaker 2: regulatory standards bill is good. He said, ah, regulatory standards

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Speaker 2: bill and talked about improvements. You know, would be silly

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Speaker 2: not to make the changes. He doesn't seem totally convinced

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Speaker 2: of the bill. What exactly have you guys agreed to?

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Speaker 2: Is it as the bill as you want it? Or

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Speaker 2: is it the bill as it ends up?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's the bill as I would like to see it,

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Speaker 13: because this is the commitment from the other two parties

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Speaker 13: to acts. There's things that those guys want to do

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Speaker 13: that we support. If we're honest, we probably all come

1039
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Speaker 13: to the government with slightly different views. X thinks that

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Speaker 13: the biggest basic problem we have in this country is

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Speaker 13: too much red tape in regulation. That's why it's hard

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Speaker 13: to build your supermarket, it's hard to build homes, hard

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Speaker 13: to open a bank account. I mean, it all comes

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Speaker 13: back to too much red tape at the end of

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Speaker 13: the day, it pushes up the cost of everything. So

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Speaker 13: it's fair to say this is our drive, but ultimately

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Speaker 13: are committed to in the agreement the Regulatory Standards Bill.

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Speaker 13: But of course you know we there will be changes.

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Speaker 13: There's changes to every bill that it's ever been through

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Speaker 13: Parliament and history, but we're pretty clear that there's some

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Speaker 13: core principles that need to be there.

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Speaker 2: If you're not strong, you're not going to bring the

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Speaker 2: government down over it.

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Speaker 13: Well, I can't imagine that they would reneg on the

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Speaker 13: deal and make that necessary. So I can't see them

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Speaker 13: putting me in that position. Every other coalition commitment to

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Speaker 13: date has been kept and I would expect that. You

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Speaker 13: know what that brings to the table is we've got

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Speaker 13: to get serious about regulation in this country. We're going

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Speaker 13: to solve our other problems and you know that's what

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Speaker 13: we expect our partners to be serious about too.

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Speaker 2: They see Act Leader, Minister of Regulation, Deputy Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: It is eighteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

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Speaker 1: Uniquely for you.

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Speaker 2: On the Huddle tonight. Stuart Nash, former Labor minister. Hey Stuart,

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Speaker 2: you emerge, good thank you? And Tim Wilson's here from

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Speaker 2: the maximums to to hey Tim, good.

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Speaker 22: Evening, Good evening. How's it going good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? It's it's it's a delicate balancing act, Stewart,

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Speaker 2: isn't it well? The sort of awkward three way these

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Speaker 2: guys are in it is not delicate.

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Speaker 14: I mean I just listened that Data Sima interview. I

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Speaker 14: mean what you know, he says he's too efficient in

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Speaker 14: replying to his correspondence. You've got Winston Peters, who is

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Speaker 14: our most experienced diplomat, walking a real tight rope in

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Speaker 14: international affairs, and I think doing a fantastic job, and

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Speaker 14: you get this little David Seymour cutting right across his path.

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Speaker 14: I think you know, I'd have loved to have been

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Speaker 14: in a fire in the warf at that meeting. I

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Speaker 14: suspect it wasn't as cordial as David made it out

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Speaker 14: to be. I think Winston would have been absolutely furious

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Speaker 14: with this guy. And you've got no sense of contrition

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Speaker 14: there at all. I mean, I don't disagree with the

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Speaker 14: content of the lead. I don't think anyone does. But

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Speaker 14: the fact that he didn't know that you know. Winston

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Speaker 14: Peters is the guy who deals with New Zealand's affairs

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Speaker 14: on the global stage and just just sends off a

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Speaker 14: letter of his own accurt I mean, what planet is

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Speaker 14: this guy on?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know? Is it that big of a deal.

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Speaker 14: It just goes to Seamore acting on his He's just

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Speaker 14: a bit of an arrogant little toss in my view everybody.

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Speaker 22: I mean, yeah, I did like the thing, you know,

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00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 22: when he said I was too efficient. My correspond's a

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00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 22: bit like a job in tod Win someone when you're asking, now,

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Speaker 22: tell us your biggest weakness. Well, my biggest weaknesses that

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Speaker 22: I have absolutely no weaknesses at all. I actually I've

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Speaker 22: got to say I think that in a sense everyone

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Speaker 22: wins here politically. David Seymour gets to be the naughty boy,

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Speaker 22: the role he cherishes. Chris Luxon gets to be the

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Speaker 22: angry dad, a role he doesn't play possibly often enough,

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Speaker 22: and the un staggers Island in substances as penrmal So

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Speaker 22: everyone's happy.

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Speaker 2: Stuart Na's Tim Wilson on the huddle. We're back with

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Speaker 2: the rest of the day's big stories.

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Speaker 1: Next the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 1: ones for Unmasked Results.

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Speaker 2: News Talk ZMB. It is thirteen minutes away from six

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Speaker 2: the Huddle Tonight's Stuart Nation Tim Wilson, Stuart, I have

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Speaker 2: to say you've really set the cat amongst the pigeons,

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Speaker 2: the text machines going nuts.

1114
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Speaker 14: Of David Seymour knows no bounds and he is the

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Speaker 14: Deputy Prime Minister. And in my world that's carries a

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00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 14: little bit of weight and you've got to act with

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00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 14: dignity and he just does not act with dignity. Arrogant

1118
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 14: seems to be the way forward to David, and he

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00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 14: is a blind spot because he doesn't realize when he's

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Speaker 14: done something wrong. He just charges right on through.

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Speaker 2: And he says, Stud it's a knob Ryan. He's definitely

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Speaker 2: standing for New Zealand first. He's a greaser, no respect

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Speaker 2: for him anyway, We'll move on, We'll move on.

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Speaker 22: Hey, don't take it. Don't let the text machine take

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Speaker 22: up too much space in your head. Stewart, It's not

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Speaker 22: a good outcome there.

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Speaker 4: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Australia is debating at the moment whether or not to

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Speaker 2: put quite prominent labels on their alcoholic drinks, cancer warnings

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Speaker 2: on the alcoholic drinks. Other countries are lowering their safe

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: drinking guidelines, and ours are actually way above most other

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Speaker 2: countries that we would compare ourselves to. Tim, Do you

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Speaker 2: think we need to do anything about that?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean, I'm actually wondering why we're worried about

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Speaker 22: drinks because last time I checked, didn't I'm use double

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Speaker 22: in a year. I mean, we're in the safe guidelines

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Speaker 22: for matheuse. And I say that, you know, in terms,

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Speaker 22: I'm just saying it sort of in a somewhat I'm

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Speaker 22: trying to be a bit dry about it, because the

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Speaker 22: question about safe guidelines for drinking, how applicable is it? Actually?

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Speaker 22: Like when was the last time you're at the pub

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Speaker 22: and someone turned to you and said, I've reached number

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01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 22: fourteen for the week, I'm going to go home.

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Speaker 2: Exactly do you think? I mean they put Stuart, they

1145
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: put in fact, you might have been in when they

1146
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: did this, put you know, don't drink while pregnant labels

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Speaker 2: on wine. I think it was a couple of years ago,

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01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: and it doesn't make a difference.

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Speaker 14: It's a little die winning in this. I mean, if

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Speaker 14: you want to drink twenty pints a night. You're never

1151
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 14: going to you're never going to reach a hundred. But

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01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 14: you know, I mean, most key Wes enjoy a beer

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 14: with their mates without seeing a big cancer warning on it.

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01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 14: I mean, we know tobacco's bad for you, They've got

1155
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 14: that all over the place. But you know, I mean,

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Speaker 14: I don't want to drink a bottle of wine with

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Speaker 14: my wife. Will go for beer with my mates, and

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 14: all I see is don't drink your end up with cancer.

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Speaker 14: For God's sake, talk about Kildren.

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Speaker 22: We drink down again, Stuart, Probably cancers the least of

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Speaker 22: your worries if you're drinking a bottle of wine with

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Speaker 22: your wife. I'll just put it. I'll just put it

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Speaker 22: out there.

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Speaker 2: No, you're right, because they're quite occasion, because they're quite okay,

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: they're quite ugly. You know, if you think about the

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01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: labels they have on cigarettes, if you could imagine that

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: on an alcoholic drink, that would that would probably have

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01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: some impact, I would think, because it's not.

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Speaker 22: Exactly the picture of a turma is going to take

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 22: the fun out of a chardonnaye like no tomorrow. And also,

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Speaker 22: as you compare us, what are we we're fifteen. Well,

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Speaker 22: number one, we're sexist because I think it's fifteen for

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Speaker 22: men and ten for women. The Aussies interesting, they're both

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Speaker 22: men and women. They're allowed ten a week. The UK's fourteen,

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01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 22: the US is fourteen. So we're sort of I don't know,

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 22: are we that we like to think we can punch

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Speaker 22: above our weight. We're about what the big boys.

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Speaker 14: Well, well, we all know that, you know, the drinking

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 14: when you reach your sutain age, drink too much. They

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01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 14: never eny well, but the game. If you want to

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 14: have a quiet beer with your mates or a wine

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 14: with your your wife, where you want to go out

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01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 14: on a boy's weekend, then you know the last thing

1184
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 14: you want to see is these bloody tumors and cancel

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01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 14: winnings over everything. I mean, we do know, we do

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 14: know that that tobacco is bad for You're right, I mean,

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01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 14: that's that's proven beyond doubts. So I don't mind seing

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Speaker 14: that sort of stuff on. I mean, who smokes these days,

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Speaker 14: don't know we're want to smoke. In terms of drinking,

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Speaker 14: I mean ship as people, people enjoy gens to socialize

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Speaker 14: and catch up with their mates and have a good

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Speaker 14: time they don't want to see that happens.

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Speaker 22: Stuart, I've just got one question, what's the age when

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Speaker 22: it's too much? What age is that when you stop?

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Speaker 22: When you cut down about one.

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Speaker 14: Hundred and five? But well, you know, the wine industry

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01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 14: says a couple of glasses of red wine is actually

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Speaker 14: not bad for your brain. But so you know, let's

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Speaker 14: go with that.

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Speaker 2: You just keep going until it well until it killed you. Basically, Stuart,

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Speaker 2: thank you. You've still people are still texting about your

1202
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Speaker 2: Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister with us and maybe seem

1203
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: to be he's on first Minister Tim Wilson from the

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Speaker 2: Maximum Institute on the huddle tonight, Cheers guys. Nine minutes

1205
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Speaker 2: away from six zer on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1207
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: Ihart Radio powered by News Talk ZBB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks MB. It's six minutes away from six after six.

1209
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Speaker 2: We will look at this ComCom court case against the

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01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: foodstust North Island. They are alleging and it's a civil

1211
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: case that they're taking. They are alliging cartel like behavior.

1212
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: So how do you prove that in court? What exactly

1213
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: is the legislation around that. We'll look at it after

1214
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: six o'clock this evening, Ryan, Are we going to see

1215
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Speaker 2: obesity images next to donuts in the supermarket aisle? This

1216
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: is after? You know, with Booze? Do we put a

1217
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: cancer label on the front of Booze? Personally? I think

1218
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: people already know. I mean, if I eat a donut

1219
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: or ten, I know what it's doing to me. If

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01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: I drink a beer or ten, I know what it's

1221
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: doing to me. I mean, people aren't stupid. Are they

1222
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: so putting a label on it? Is that going to

1223
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: stop behavior? I don't think so, personally, Ryan. David Seima

1224
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: has been a liability since the lead up to the

1225
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three election when he said we might just

1226
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: sit on the crossbenches act then dropped the party percentage.

1227
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: That is true. It really turned people off. It's people

1228
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: been a bit funny on David seymore after that, and

1229
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Speaker 2: he's still threatening to do it basically over the relitery

1230
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Speaker 2: standards bill. On the show tonight, five minutes away from

1231
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: six now Roaming Dogs dog attacks on the up. We've

1232
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Speaker 2: all heard the stories, You've a seen the headlines, you've

1233
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: all read the stories. You're lucky to walk down the

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01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: street and walk around the block without being bitten by

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Speaker 2: a dog. Basically at the moment. Organ Council has come

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Speaker 2: out today and said that they addressed that there's a problem,

1237
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: acknowledged there's a problem, but they need more tools in

1238
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: the toolbox from the government. They need lead to slit

1239
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: of change to actually do something about it. One of

1240
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: the things they're asking for is mandatory desexing for impounded

1241
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: dogs before they are returned to their owners. If your

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01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: dog is at the stage where it's impounded, I would

1243
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: have assumed that that would be automatical, that it would

1244
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: be d sex before it. Apparently that's not the case.

1245
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: They just handed back to the owners and off they

1246
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: go to keep reading. No wonder the problem is so

1247
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: out of hand. How is that not a rule already?

1248
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: So all can counsel now going to the government saying

1249
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: we want this fixed. So well, hopefully someone does something

1250
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: about that, otherwise people keep getting bitten by dogs on

1251
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Speaker 2: the street. Four away from six. We'll look at that

1252
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,479
Speaker 2: ComCom case next here on Newstalk set.

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Speaker 8: Bit Monday.

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Speaker 1: Hoy where Business meets Insight the Business Hours with Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge and May's Insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect

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Speaker 2: News Talks B get even just gone seven after six

1258
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: year on News Talk Sat B. Jamie McKay from the Country,

1259
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: coming your way very shortly. Is there a loophole in

1260
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: the government's ban on farm forestry conversions. We'll look at

1261
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 2: a tax rebate. Calls for a tax rebate on health

1262
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: insurance if you're paying those you know expensive they are

1263
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: and the Brady in the UK for us before trop

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: of the are as well. Right now, Foodstuff's North Island

1265
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: you might have heard about this in the news today

1266
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: and it's subsidiary Gilmore's Wholesale are being taken to court

1267
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: for what the Commerce Commissioner is calling cartel conduct. The

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Speaker 2: comcomon ledges that the two supermarkets pressured a grocery supplier

1269
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: to sell to them rather than directly to another business.

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Speaker 2: Foodstuffs North Island is denying any wrongdoing in its practices.

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Speaker 2: Andy Matthews is a competition lawyer at Matthew's Law and

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Speaker 2: is with me tonight. Hi, Andy Ran, good to have

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Speaker 2: you on the Showie, very well, thank you. What do

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Speaker 2: you make of the case that the Commerce commission Well,

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Speaker 2: what we know of the case that they're taking.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, look, that's a good point.

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Speaker 25: We don't have the details and it's just allegations at

1278
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 25: this stage until it goes through the court process.

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Speaker 17: But I guess look backdrop, there's a.

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Speaker 25: Few things going on. New Zealand law as some of

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01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 25: the broadest sort of cartel laws in the world, and

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 25: what is defined as a cartel provision and a contract

1283
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 25: arrangement or understanding is a lot broader than you or

1284
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 25: I might have thought before this law was passed, and

1285
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 25: certainly even a lot of lawyers get a bit confused

1286
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 25: on this. It's pretty much any agreement between actual or

1287
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 25: potential competitors which relates to price, quality, capacity, supply, all

1288
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 25: of those things. And what it means is pretty much

1289
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 25: any agreement with an actual potential competitor probably has a

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 25: cartel provision and it's up to then to the party

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01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 25: who's entered into the alleged cartel provision to demonstrate that

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01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 25: an exception and the Commerce Act applies, and that there

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Speaker 25: are ones for sort of collaborations of joint ventures, you know,

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Speaker 25: joint buying groups, but also something called vertical supply, and

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Speaker 25: it's the onus is on the defendant. But what we

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Speaker 25: don't know here is whether you know, food Stuffs and

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Speaker 25: Gildwalls have just gone to this play and said, hang on,

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Speaker 25: you supply ours, we supply them, you also supply them

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Speaker 25: that we enter an exclusive supply agreement, and we think

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Speaker 25: that's a protected vertical supply under this exception in the

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Speaker 25: Commerce Act. I'm just speculating.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it does.

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Speaker 25: I'm not saying it doesn't. But the Commerce Commission is

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Speaker 25: obviously incredibly concerned about independent supply to that doesn't have

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Speaker 25: to go through the supermarket, so that say, for example,

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Speaker 25: a new supermarket player can get direct access and suppliers

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Speaker 25: are free to and free of of fear of sanction

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Speaker 25: and those sorts of things. And the Commission's media release

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Speaker 25: says that the supplier wanted to supply the hospitality customer directly,

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Speaker 25: but they were quote persuaded to sell to food Stuffs

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Speaker 25: and gilmore so sort of routed all that way rather

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Speaker 25: than competing with food Stuffs to sell the product to

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Speaker 25: the hospitality customer.

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Speaker 2: So, just speaking generally, let's move away from these two

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Speaker 2: businesses in particular. But if you wanted to defend, like

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Speaker 2: somebody comes along and says, right, you're being anti competitive

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Speaker 2: because you're stopping you know, this business from being able

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Speaker 2: to buy the honey or whatever it is. Then can

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Speaker 2: can your excuse be, well, I'm I'm wanting to be

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Speaker 2: the exclusive provider of this product and that's why we're

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Speaker 2: signing this deal and you're not allowed to sign a

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Speaker 2: deal with someone else. Is there a legitimate excuse?

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Speaker 14: Well, it can be.

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Speaker 25: But taking a step back, is you raised a very

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01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 25: good point. You talked about competition.

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Speaker 7: Nowhere in my.

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Speaker 25: Description of the Cartel prohibition did I mention competition. And

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Speaker 25: the reason is it's sort of as a type of law,

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Speaker 25: it's deemed to be bad no matter what. It doesn't

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Speaker 25: even talk about competition. There's nothing in the cartel provision prohibition.

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Speaker 25: And this is where it's a bit weird. If a

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Speaker 25: bunch of doctors say let's reduce our prices, and they

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Speaker 25: will agree that that is a cartel provision, So then

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Speaker 25: there's also a general competition test. There's a misuse of

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Speaker 25: market power if it's anti competitive, and there are contracts

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Speaker 25: that's are anti competitive and prizing if the Commission isn't

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Speaker 25: alleging that as part of its statement acclaim. But the

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Speaker 25: thing about the cartel provisions it's a bit like the

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Speaker 25: Fair Trading Act. It's kind of they've got you. If

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Speaker 25: they've got you, they don't have to prove anti competitive harm,

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Speaker 25: just that you've entered this restrictive agreement. But that's why

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Speaker 25: the exceptions are so important. But I should have mentioned

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 25: you raise a good point is there's still a general

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Speaker 25: competition thing. So if they say no, no, it's okay,

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Speaker 25: it falls within the vertical supply exception, Well that's going

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Speaker 25: to be matter for the courts.

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Speaker 3: It's new law.

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Speaker 25: The Commission have quite a narrower perspective on what that

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Speaker 25: exception covers to some others and what's protected and what's not.

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Speaker 25: So the fallback is a competition argument, right, So.

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Speaker 2: Is it would an exclusive deal be okay or not?

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Speaker 2: Is that even?

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Speaker 25: Well, it can be. People do it all the time,

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Speaker 25: but they do need to be aware of the law

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Speaker 25: and that the law is really complex and really counterintuitive.

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Speaker 25: Like if I start by saying, as I did to you, Oh,

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Speaker 25: any agreement with a competitor has probably got a cartel

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Speaker 25: provision it that's that's not that much of an exaggeration,

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Speaker 25: and that's our starting point. So then you need to

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Speaker 25: review it and you go does this fit within one

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Speaker 25: of those exceptions? Do we need to pull it back

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Speaker 25: a bit so that it falls within the wording of

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Speaker 25: the law and the sort of the the spirit of

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Speaker 25: the law.

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Speaker 2: And it's quite a hard thing to prove.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, it could be.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, this is the first case.

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Speaker 25: This is the first case testing this sort of stuff

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Speaker 25: that that that I'm aware of as human that it's

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Speaker 25: not settled, because quite often these cartel cases are settled

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Speaker 25: because it can be. It can be hard to to

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Speaker 25: prove prove that that it's okay. Look, I don't know

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Speaker 25: whether this is hard or not, because I don't like you.

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Speaker 25: I've got a bit of a bit of a guide

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Speaker 25: from the Commission in terms of the media release. But

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Speaker 25: it's it's the Commissioner obviously take it pretty seriously. They

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Speaker 25: are wanting to be a braver and boulder litigants as

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Speaker 25: they been asked to be by the Commission. It's fair

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Speaker 25: to say that hasn't they haven't. They haven't contested as

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Speaker 25: much through the courts on pure competition grounds. It's tended

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Speaker 25: to be these types of cartel cases. The interesting thing

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Speaker 25: about this that you haven't asked about is, and having

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Speaker 25: done a bit of grocery work. I'm a bit of

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Speaker 25: a geek about this. Is there's something called literally the Geeker,

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Speaker 25: which is the Grocery Industry Competition Act, and that includes

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Speaker 25: a code of conduct and one of the big prohibitions,

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Speaker 25: or one of the big requirements, is that the regulated

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Speaker 25: grocery retailers, so that's the two food stuff's companies and

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Speaker 25: will always have to act in good faith in their

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Speaker 25: dealings with suppliers. So for me, that's a particularly interesting

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Speaker 25: aspect to this because good faith is, you know, it's

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Speaker 25: sort of one of those things we don't know quite

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Speaker 25: how our court interprets what's good faith and what's not

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01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 25: good faith. And I think the Commission have bided their

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Speaker 25: time to pick the case that they think is the

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Speaker 25: right one. And I don't think they will have issued,

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Speaker 25: you know, we'll haven't issued the proceedings yet, but that said,

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Speaker 25: they're going to. I don't think they'll have done this lightly.

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Speaker 25: But I do wonder whether for Stuffs might say, well,

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Speaker 25: come on vertical supply agreement.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, yeah, right, Andy, I'll keep an eye on

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Speaker 2: that Geeker. The Geeker, and when the case goes through court,

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time. This Evening, Andy Matthews competition law with

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Speaker 2: US explaining that case it's been taken by the Commerce

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Speaker 2: Commission against Food Stuffs North Island and its subsidiary Gilmore's Wholesale.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen after six, You're on News Talks HEB. Jamie McKay

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Speaker 2: is next with a potential loophole in the government's ban

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Speaker 2: on farm forestry conversions.

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Speaker 2: You're on News Talks b seventeen after six Now Jamie

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Speaker 2: McKay is with US host of the Country Jamie Good Evening.

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Speaker 7: Got a Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Now, beef price is hitting record highers than the US,

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Speaker 2: just in time for the barbecue season over there.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, Americans, I think burgers, hamburgers all year round.

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Speaker 9: That's what they want our beef for. But unbelievable prices

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Speaker 9: in the US at the moment, Ryan bodeswell for American

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Speaker 9: consumers to continue to pay the base tariff rate of

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Speaker 9: ten percent. That is, of course, of the base tariff

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Speaker 9: rate stays.

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Speaker 26: At ten percent.

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Speaker 9: That's another story for another day. But my US correspondent,

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Speaker 9: a guy from Lexington, Kentucky, was on the show today.

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Speaker 9: They had one thousand pounds stairs well just over one

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 9: thousand pounds in imperial measurements, and they sold for over

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Speaker 9: three thousand US per head. That's over five thousand New

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Speaker 9: Zealand dollars per cattle beast. Now I did some maths

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,520
Speaker 9: on this one. Those thousand and thirty eight pounds are

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Speaker 9: quate to four hundred and seventy two kilos, which equates

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Speaker 9: to six dollars thirty eight a kilogram US dollars. Convert

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Speaker 9: that to New Zealand dollars at a sixty cent exchange rate,

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Speaker 9: you've got ten dollars sixty three and that is running round.

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Speaker 17: In the paddock that's on the hoof.

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Speaker 1: Ryan.

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Speaker 9: By the time you process that animal and get the

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Speaker 9: yield at sixty percent I sixty percent meat, forty percent

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Speaker 9: the rest is thrown away. That equates to seventeen dollars

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01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 9: seventy per kilogram in New Zealand money. Currently, New Zealand

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Speaker 9: farmers are being paid eight to eight dollars fifty a

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Speaker 9: kilogram for beef, so they're paying enormous prices for beef

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Speaker 9: in the US at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it too, Jamie Beef and Lamb

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 2: here and the Meat Industry Association pointing out some potential

1447
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Speaker 2: loopholes on the government's plan for a ban on farmer

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Speaker 2: forestry conversions. What's happening with this, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Well they're saying they need to tighten some of these

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 9: loopholes because there's too many people sneaking through. And I'm

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Speaker 9: with them on this when I think we're almost shutting

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 9: the stable door after the horse has bolted. Because the

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Speaker 9: government made the announcement on the fourth of decemb By

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Speaker 9: last year down on Southland, there's been heaps of conversions happening,

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Speaker 9: some going through the back door since then. So what

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01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 9: they're saying is they want the government to extend the

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Speaker 9: proposed mauratorium on whole farm conversions blanket planting of farms

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Speaker 9: to all land classes, not just classes one to five.

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Speaker 9: Otherwise they're saying it's just going to have too big

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Speaker 9: an effect on the pastoral industry in this country. They're

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Speaker 9: also saying, and this is another one, New Zealand's the

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Speaker 9: only country in the world ryan aside from Kazakhstan that

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Speaker 9: places no restrictions on the use of forestry offsets. We're

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Speaker 9: allowed hundred percent offsetting here for exalting plantings to go

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Speaker 9: into the etes. No other country but Kazakhstan does that.

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Speaker 9: And they're throwing some numbers out there just for good measure.

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Speaker 9: They're saying since twenty seventeen, and the forestry people will

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Speaker 9: probably argue against these, but they're saying since twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 9: three hundred thousand hectares of whole sheep and beef farms

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Speaker 9: have been sold to forestry interests. Some of it, to

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Speaker 9: be fair, is into production forestry. They're estimating a further

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Speaker 9: fifty thousand hectares is going to go before these new

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Speaker 9: rules take effect later this year. They're saying this could

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Speaker 9: lead to a million hectares lost by the year twenty fifty.

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Speaker 9: They're saying these land use changes could reduce livestock numbers

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Speaker 9: by two and a half million stock units and shrink

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Speaker 9: the sheep and beef sectors grassland base by up to

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Speaker 9: twenty percent. So they're not good numbers. Yes, the problem continues.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what about fed farmers Because we've spoken before about

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01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: groundswell right behind pulling out of the Paris Agreement, but

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Speaker 2: fed farmers not lobbying the government to do that.

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Speaker 9: No, well fed farmers has gone into bat with other

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Speaker 9: industry good bodies like dairy and zed and beef and

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Speaker 9: lamb on this one. President Wayne Langlet is a fairly

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Speaker 9: solid sort of thinker, to my way of thinking, said

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Speaker 9: he sat in rooms with dairy company leaders who say

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Speaker 9: that it could shave as much as three dollars off

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Speaker 9: the dairy price a kilogram of milk solids, So why

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Speaker 9: would we even be talking about it. On contrast, that

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Speaker 9: groundswell Lawrence I was going to say, he's a rugby referee. Hello, Bryce,

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Speaker 9: if you're listening, Bryce mackenzie isn't surprised, he said. Federated

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Speaker 9: Farmers normally take a more conservative line than they do

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Speaker 9: and they could be working strategically with the government. He says,

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Speaker 9: though Federated Farmers had better be careful because they're a

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Speaker 9: subscription paying organization. If they don't do what their members want,

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Speaker 9: they mightn't get those subscriptions. He says, should I say

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Speaker 9: the Kate Kate Ackland from Beef and Land, New Zealand

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Speaker 9: says we would join a small group of countries outside

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Speaker 9: the agreement if we got out of Paris, Libya, Yemen, Iran,

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Speaker 9: Eritrea and South Sudan. She did neglect, however, to mention

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Speaker 9: the elephant or the orange elephant in the room the US.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a good point too, Jamie. Thank you for that,

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay, host of the Country. Here on News Talks Big.

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01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: It's twenty two minutes after six.

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Speaker 11: Come out.

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01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 2: Next we'll get to show business and inside the next

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01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: half hour we will speak to Hope from the Financial

1508
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: Services Council. They're calling for a tax rebate. If you

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01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: pay health insurance. They reckon you should get a bit

1510
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,839
Speaker 2: of tax back or you should have your taxable income

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01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: decreased as a result of that. And lord knows it's

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01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: very expensive, isn't it. Twenty three after six.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

1514
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and Theirs, Insurance and investments, Grew your wealth,

1515
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: Protect your future Newstalks EDB.

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 2: Twenty five after six on News Talks EDB. In some

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01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 2: showbiz news this evening. Production has started for a new

1518
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: Harry Potter TV series. This is fourteen years since the

1519
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: last Harry Potter premiered in Cinemas. HBO released a first

1520
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 2: look today of the new Harry Potter in this Gryffindor robes. Today,

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01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: he'll be played by Sorry of Harry Potter. In his

1522
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: Gryffindor Robes, He'll be played by eleven year old Scottish

1523
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 2: actor Dominic mclach Backland. Each season is rumored to follow

1524
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 2: one of these seven books, although some super fans online

1525
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 2: are concerned about how much can be covered in a

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01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: season of TV.

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01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 27: I'm really hoping they make the seasons different episode lengths

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01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 27: for different books, because obviously the first two books are

1529
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 27: like three hundred pages long and the last three are

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Speaker 27: like double that. The Philosopher's Stolen season could easily be

1531
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 27: like six to eight episodes long, but then Order of

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01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 27: the Phoenix should be like eighteen episodes minimum if you.

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01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 2: It Premier is streaming services in twenty twenty seven. I've

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01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: ever been into Harry Potter. Answer, you're a big Harry

1535
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: Potter fans.

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01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 28: No, producer Laura is the big Harry Potter fans. To

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01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 28: be fair, I was at the right age though, where

1538
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 28: I have read the whole series and I can assure

1539
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 28: you you do not need eighteen episodes for book five,

1540
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 28: Order of the Phoenix. Just cutting the bloats out of that,

1541
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 28: You've got about three episodes worth of content in my opinion.

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01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, I'm not going to be watching it.

1543
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: Is this the one that's the directors of the writer

1544
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 2: Jackie Rowling? It was all the controversy because they got

1545
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: her involved with the project. This is the one, obviously.

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Speaker 5: This is the.

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01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 2: Outcome of that. She's been heavily involved. People don't like

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01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: her because she's against the trans whatever. There was a

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01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 2: big hooh about it. Anyway, it looks like it's coming out.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty seven is when it drops. If you're a

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01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: Harry Potter fan like Laura, I won't be watching it. Sorry, HBO.

1552
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge coming up after the news at six thirty,

1553
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: Kirk Hope is on the show talking about if you pay.

1554
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to know how much we pay my

1555
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 2: husband and I, but it's it's hundreds of dollars. I

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01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: know that at least this is for health insurance. It's

1557
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: for life insurance, just insurance up the wazoo. And there

1558
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 2: are calls for people like me to get a text rebate.

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01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: Is that a good idea? How do we feel about

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01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 2: that I will talk to Kirk Hope about that. Plus

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01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: ind Brady from the UK before seven News Talks have

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01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 2: been again.

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01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 19: Believe baby Santa's telling me this saying any it was

1564
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 19: a last night, noy was a last night.

1565
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Ridge and Mare's Insurance and investments,

1567
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future newstalks, EDB.

1568
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 19: America won't your favorite America?

1569
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: Lygon Enough said, it's a name. Crazy.

1570
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 19: Are you going to do?

1571
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 2: Is just meet me at twenty five away from seven.

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01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 2: You're on News Talks, EDB. This is a bit grim,

1573
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 2: but from the Grim files. In Germany today, this is

1574
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 2: a hearing that's begun. You might have heard about this

1575
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 2: in the news in October or around September last year

1576
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 2: when they arrested the guy, but the case is now

1577
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: going through court. Some of the details are starting to

1578
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 2: come out. This is in Berlin. It's a trial of

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01:23:55,680 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: a German palliative care doctor accused of mo hitering fifteen

1580
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: of his patients. He used sedatives and would set fire

1581
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 2: to their homes to try and cover up the crimes.

1582
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: This is what's been alleged in court forty years old.

1583
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Cops say he would make a house call, so there's

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01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 2: your first warning sign. House call had the intention, they claim,

1585
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: of murdering his victims when he would go to their house.

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01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: Patients had no idea obviously what was going on, and

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01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 2: the reason that the alarm was raised was one of

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01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 2: his colleagues realized after five of his patients died by

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01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: fire that something might be off. Yes, so anyway, quite

1590
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 2: a grim case, but we will hear more about it

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01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 2: over the coming weeks. And I was thinking, if you

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: are a serial killer, you want it to be a

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01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: serial killery. You're that way inclined. Medicine is kind of

1594
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: like hiding in plain sight, isn't it. That would be

1595
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, you got your lacy letbigs. It's a good

1596
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 2: it's a good disguise, I suppose, is what I'm saying.

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: So just you know, look out time a doctor comes

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01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: around to your house. Twenty three to seven, kiwis. We

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01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: are quick to ensure our belongings, but less keen to

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01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 2: ensure ourselves. A new report from the Financial Services Council

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01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: shows that we're twice as likely to have insurance protection

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01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: for our car than we are for our health or life.

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01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: They say small changes to FBT to fringe benefit tax

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01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: could increase the number of employees with medical insurance covered

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01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 2: and that would be good for productivity, that would be

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01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: better for New Zealand. Kirk Hope is the Chief Executive

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01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: of the Financial Services Council and is with me tonight.

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Speaker 2: Hey Kirk hey, right?

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Speaker 14: How he does?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 2: Good, thank you, Good to have you on the show.

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01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: How many people have health insurance in New Zealand?

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Speaker 26: So about thirty percent of the population has health insurance.

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01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 26: So again, so if you look at comparable OECD countries

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01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 26: like Australia, it's about fifty percent in Australia. So we

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 26: are pretty under insured in terms of selling in health insurance.

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01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: Suppose it's different from compared to ensuring your car or whatever.

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01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 2: We do have a public health system, right, so the

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01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 2: presumably people are relying on that.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I think possibly over relying on it as well,

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 26: because again, the idea you know, that we've pushed out

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 26: there today is that if you enable more people to

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01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 26: access private health insurance by making it cheaper, and that's

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01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 26: by removing fringe benefit tax on it, which is a

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01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 26: tax on an employer who is providing health insurance to

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01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 26: their employee of fifty percent, So it's not inconsequential, right.

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Speaker 26: It's quite different in New Zealand compared to say Australia,

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01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 26: where if you as a person, as an individual, you

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01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 26: don't have health insurance, you by the age of thirty

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01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 26: you get taxed more. So we create a disincentive for

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01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 26: employers to provide it, whereas places like Australia they say, actually,

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01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 26: personally we're going to provide a distance interview, not to

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01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 26: have it. So there are some opportunities here to kind

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01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 26: of do things a little bit differently.

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01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: I think, what is that. Have you obviously got some ideas,

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01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 2: You've got this report, have you taken it to the government.

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01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 2: What are they telling you?

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Speaker 26: I mean, I guess the key thing for any government

1639
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 26: is what is it going to cost us? Right, So

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01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 26: we're working through that with the government at the moment.

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01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:32,959
Speaker 26: We have a view that actually the overall economic benefits

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01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 26: would be a lot more than the fiscal cost, and

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01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 26: particularly over time.

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01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 5: The other thing that I think.

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Speaker 26: Enabling more employer provided schemes what it would do is

1646
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,799
Speaker 26: enable you know, kind of lower income workers to access

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01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 26: private health insurance. And that's probably one of the biggest

1648
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 26: things because if you talk to people who have had

1649
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 26: it in the impact on your families and then they

1650
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 26: can get back to work, they can get an operation

1651
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 26: that is an elect because peace colective surgery might not

1652
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 26: be covered by ACC you might not be able to

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01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 26: access the public health system in a timely fashion.

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01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 5: Whatever, you've got some form of private health insurance and

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01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 5: they was to get back into the workplace. The biggest

1656
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 5: thing is impact understantly. So those things are I think

1657
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 5: critically we genuinely had to think about this in a

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01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 5: different way and other countries that have done it it

1659
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 5: is making a big difference. As I said, in Australia,

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01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 5: fifty percent of people have private health insurance and it

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01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 5: means that they can get back into the workplace pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Kirk, interesting stuff. Appreciate your time to fight Kirk co

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01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 2: Financial Services Council Chief Executive time is nineteen away from seven.

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01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 2: Ryan text on this Actually it's interesting for people, Brian.

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01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Tax breaks on healthcare is a no brainer. Rebates for

1666
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 2: going private will just ease the pressure on the public system. Ryan,

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01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 2: we used to get a tax rebate if we paid

1668
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 2: for medical insurance, as this text had it in the

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01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties. Then FBT came out. I kept going with

1670
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 2: it until I was sixty eight and it was unaffordable

1671
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: for me. But it reduced the burden on public hospitals

1672
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,560
Speaker 2: and reduced how much we had to pay for specialists.

1673
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 2: Why shouldn't those folk who look after their own and

1674
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 2: their families get a tax break. It helps the country

1675
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 2: and reduces pressure on the public health system. So there

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01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: we go, eighteen away from seven. Now the Aussies are

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01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,839
Speaker 2: voting on their all time favorite one hundred Aussie songs,

1678
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 2: and everyone is getting in on the action, except for

1679
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi, who is a cop out and refusing to

1680
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 2: pick one, instead picking ten among them Cold Chisels, Flame Trees,

1681
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 2: You and Mis, Purple Sneakers and Midnight Oil's beds are burning?

1682
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 2: Who picks ten when they asked for one? Anyway? Andy Lee?

1683
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,719
Speaker 2: For those who, Army's a well known TV and radio

1684
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: host over there, He's picked powder Finger, Whatever makes you Happy?

1685
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 2: Whatever made you look this song doesn't. Musicians are getting

1686
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: into it too. The Veronicas have picked up John Farnum's

1687
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 2: You're the Voice. This is the choice of NRL star

1688
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 2: Connor Watson. It's floom for those unfamiliar holding on a

1689
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 2: great song. Tell me what your favorite ever Ozzie song is?

1690
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 2: Nine two nine two, and I'll share mine with you.

1691
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: Just before seven News Talk, said.

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01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: B approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan

1693
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Bridge with the business OL and Mes insurance and investments.

1694
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 1: Crue your wealth, Protect your future news.

1695
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 3: Dogs v.

1696
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 2: Fourteen away from seven. The OSSI's pecking their favorite song

1697
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: and kiwis doing the same tonight, Ryan without a doubt.

1698
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 2: It's ac DC Highway to Hell, says this Texter Ryan

1699
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: Timy Kangaroo down Sports is another and lots of Jimmy

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01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 2: Barnes votes as well. We'll get to what I think

1701
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 2: is the best Australian song ever produced, well one of them. No,

1702
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: let's say it is. I'm doing an OL vote. It

1703
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 2: is the best, okay, and I'll play it for you.

1704
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 2: Just before seven o'clock tonight. Hey, over in New York,

1705
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: you know they've got the Democratic primary won by mum Dani.

1706
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 2: This is the super socialist hard left, you know, Chloe

1707
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 2: on steroids guy, he's rent freezers, you name it, He's

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01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 2: for it. So he wins the Democratic primary. And then Cuomo,

1709
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 2: who was the former governor also up for the Democratic

1710
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 2: primary but lost. He's now going it alone. He's going

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01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 2: to run as an independent. And I was thinking, is

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Speaker 2: he even got you know, will he even get close?

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Speaker 2: Do they even elect non democratic MIAs in New York City?

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Speaker 2: And the answer at these they do. Remember Rudy Giuliani

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Speaker 2: not that long ago in Bloomberg as well. We're both Republicans,

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Speaker 2: so he's in with a shot. Be interesting to follow that.

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Speaker 2: Rice thirteen away from seven Ryan Bridge in the Brady

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Speaker 2: is a UK correspondent in the Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 17: Hey Ryan, good to speak to you again.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you too. How many billionaires have

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Speaker 2: quit the UK in the last two years? This has

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Speaker 2: been a big issue for you guys.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, a lot of wealth draining out of the UK.

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Speaker 17: And the answer is eighteen dollars billionaires have left Britain

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Speaker 17: inside the past two years now. The previous Conservative government

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Speaker 17: decided to take a look at taxation for extremely wealthy

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01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 17: foreigners and they had this non domicile rule, they call

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01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 17: it the non dom rule. Previously you were able to

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Speaker 17: live here, pay UK tax on your UK earning, but

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01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 17: they would ignore your global earnings. And then the conservatives

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01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 17: decided that actually, these very wealthy people earning money from

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Speaker 17: all over the world, they should be taxed on all

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01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 17: their other earnings as well in the UK. So by

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01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 17: bringing that rule in, you know, these are very financially

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01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,959
Speaker 17: fluid people. They can move very quickly, and they've decided

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Speaker 17: eighteen of them, these billionaires, they've had enough, so they've

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01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 17: moved to places like Switzerland, Italy, Monaco and Dubai far

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Speaker 17: more favorable tax regimes where they're not that interested in

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01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,719
Speaker 17: your global earnings. But it's a big problem for Starmer.

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Speaker 17: Now that is eighteen dollar billionaires gone in two years.

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Speaker 10: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now speaking of wealthy Jimmy Choo shoe boss and she

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01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 2: inns what five hundred k a year and she's been

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01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 2: court driving without insurance in London, Yes, and she had.

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Speaker 17: Been driving around London in her one hundred and forty

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Speaker 17: thousand dollars Audi for four months without insurance, the court

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Speaker 17: was told yesterday. Hannah Coleman is her name. She has

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Speaker 17: been in charge of Jimmy Chew for five years. If

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Speaker 17: you're not familiar with the brand, they are a very

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Speaker 17: expensive pair of ladies shoes. Five years she's been running

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Speaker 17: the company she's been there from almost the start of

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01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 17: her career, worked her way up and she told the

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Speaker 17: court that she paid the insurance but it bounced back

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01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 17: and she didn't realize that the payment had failed. And

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01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 17: then there was a follow up email which the court

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01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 17: accepts did not accept that she hadn't read. So obviously

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01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 17: the onus is on the driver to have a car insured.

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01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 17: The end result is a lot of embarrassing publicity for her.

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01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 17: She had a child, her daughter in the car with

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Speaker 17: her as well when she was stopped in Chelsea in

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Speaker 17: West London. She's probably going to lose her license for

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01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 17: six months over this. She's on half a million dollars

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Speaker 17: a year and she had no insurance on that OUDI.

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Speaker 2: Goodness may now Greg Wallace, we've spoken about him in

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01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 2: the past. This is the Mastership housed the scandal weever

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01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: poured out this week, but now there's a new allegation

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Speaker 2: against one of the other presenters.

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Speaker 17: Yes, so his co host is John Turoud, who's a

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Speaker 17: very famous Australian chef who's made it big in the UK,

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Speaker 17: and Wallace and John Turoud were together for best part

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Speaker 17: of two decades presenting Master Chef. So Greg Wallace, he

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01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,759
Speaker 17: won't be appearing anywhere ever. Again, I don't think forty

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01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 17: five allegations against him upheld. And for the sake of transparency,

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Speaker 17: now John Turoud has come out on social media and

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01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 17: said that there was an allegation upheld against another individual,

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Speaker 17: and he said that individual is me. Now it relates

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Speaker 17: to a social occasion he believes in twenty eighteen or

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Speaker 17: twenty nineteen. He says he has no recollection of this

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01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 17: and he does not accept that it happened, but he's

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01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 17: telling the story anyway. And he said that there was

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01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 17: an allegation he used a racially offensive word at a

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01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 17: socially gathering to someone for which he immediately apologized. Now,

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Speaker 17: John Turold says racially inappropriate language is completely wrong in

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01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,839
Speaker 17: any environment. He says he does not remember the incident

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01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 17: and he doesn't accept that it happens.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 17: The problem the BBC bosses now have is they've got

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Speaker 17: an entire series of Master Chef filmed ready to go,

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Speaker 17: starring Greg Wallace and John Tyrold.

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Speaker 2: What do you do? A nightmare? I don't even be

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01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 2: that position. And to thank you and the Brady are

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent, it is nine away from seven. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to the Aussie songs next.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Too per Se Alan Drive Full Show

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01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 2: News Talk Zibby. It's six minutes away from seven. So

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Speaker 2: the Aussies are picking your favorite Australian song, which is

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01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 2: such an Australian thing to do, isn't it? Why were

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Speaker 2: the best and why now? Anyway? Albaneze has picked ten

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Speaker 2: in true political I'll take every vote. Feshion Ryan, my

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Speaker 2: Aussie favorite, says Terry is if You're Happy and you

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01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,600
Speaker 2: Know It by the Wiggles. I guess it counts. I

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Speaker 2: guess count. Simon says horses. That is a great song.

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01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 2: Ron says minute work down Under. Actually there's a few

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Speaker 2: votes so that SOO likes it too. So I'm going

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Speaker 2: to play for you in just a second what my

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01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: favorite song is. And have you got a favorite Australians?

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Speaker 28: Oh here that always gets really mad at me when

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Speaker 28: I picked songs that most people aren't going to know.

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Speaker 7: So she's gonna go like this, so she's listening.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what he's not here?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, there's a there's an Aussie trap DJ named Ellis

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01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 28: in Wonderland and she started. She put an album out

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Speaker 28: in twenty fifteen called Run and the title track Run

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01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 28: is just amazing if you like down tempo, hard hitting

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01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 28: dance music.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm going to VTE for that one.

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Speaker 2: I can see why has the right. I was going

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Speaker 2: to say that you smart lady.

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Speaker 7: I don't like lying to the listeners, you know, Ryan.

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01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, fair enough, So I'm going to leave you

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Speaker 2: with just take your mind back to nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 2: How would I have been in nineteen ninety seven? Eleven

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01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 2: a covered in pimples, just growing up ninety seven? So

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Speaker 2: carry on, Seventh Garden, I want you. This is the

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Speaker 2: number one best song ever produced by an Australian band.

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Speaker 7: This album, Ryan, I will agree, is superb.

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01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 28: I really I really liked the first song on the

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Speaker 28: album as well, to the Moon and Back, so I'll

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Speaker 28: change my vote to that to try and win the listeners.

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Speaker 5: You and Heather back.

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Speaker 2: Excellent Seventh Garden. To play you out tonight coming up

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Speaker 2: to seven o'clock. You're on News Talks BC tomorrow.

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Speaker 10: The Magenta being the Tai Chilter and the bitters like

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01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 10: Jerry Colder.

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Speaker 11: I don't need a China Been and it's all own

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01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 11: time and if it happens again and the.

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Speaker 16: Moved so sign to the after thetis the King McGinn need.

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Speaker 19: Want to know.

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Speaker 2: That I don't know, but.

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01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 3: To know, but.

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Speaker 22: Want to know

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