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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International realty the ones

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Speaker 2: Clear to lord journalists with US and Nick leget infrastructure

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Speaker 2: and Z Good evening, Good evening. Hello, Hello. Can we

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Speaker 2: first talk neck about the rumors that Andrew Little is

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Speaker 2: running for a mayor of Wellington. We have texted him

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Speaker 2: today but he hasn't got back to us just yet,

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Speaker 2: but they are starting to firm up. There's been some

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Speaker 2: reporting in the press which obviously makes it true. Nick,

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Speaker 2: what are you hearing?

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing the same things. And look, I think it's

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Speaker 3: very interesting for Wellington because so far the declared candidates

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Speaker 3: none of them look or sound like a mayor. We

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Speaker 3: know Tory Farno, we don't have to imagine her as

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Speaker 3: a mayor. She is the mayor. But Andrew Little feels

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Speaker 3: like a growing up and you know, he's a serious

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Speaker 3: sort of a person with pretty significant experience and that's

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, in terms of being that challenger

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Speaker 3: with some credibility, you know, he would bring some heft

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Speaker 3: to the table and from what I understand, he's got

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Speaker 3: pretty serious support from across the political spectrum, because what

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Speaker 3: we've got to remember is that you know, with local

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Speaker 3: government it is about place over party, and I think

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Speaker 3: someone who can talk about demonstrate they can work with

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Speaker 3: all sides would have to be taken pretty seriously by

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Speaker 3: the Wellington electorate. I think it's also really interesting because

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Speaker 3: you know, my criticism for a long time has been

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Speaker 3: in Wellington, and this would be a pretty serious signal

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Speaker 3: that they are taking you know, they're taking Wellington seriously,

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Speaker 3: that they're going to fight the Greens for votes. They

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Speaker 3: lost those two electric seats, of course wrong I'm Welling

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Speaker 3: Central at the last election. So this would see a

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Speaker 3: of a fight back. And look, I think that would

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Speaker 3: be really healthy for Wellington, but actually ultimately probably for

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Speaker 3: Labor because it has conceded a lot of points to

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Speaker 2: And I think that's not just bad, not just the Greens,

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Speaker 2: but I wonder whether there's a wider political strategy here,

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Speaker 2: clear from the Labor Party, where they've acknowledged that the

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Speaker 2: last Labor government the pr is awful right, the left

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Speaker 2: leaning Wellington Council and I know toy is green, but

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Speaker 2: that's a distinction you get in Wellington, you know, is useless.

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Speaker 2: They can't run a bath. You know, is there a

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Speaker 2: strategy here? Actually we need to get some quite competent

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Speaker 2: people into some quite important roles to actually rebuild that image.

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Speaker 4: Look, whatever the strategy is, he is a good contender,

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Speaker 4: I think, and he's not without his flaws. He started

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Speaker 4: the health reportance that are now sort of stumbling through,

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Speaker 4: and that was against advice to actually centralize everything again,

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Speaker 4: so I think, you know, he's he's a pretty good

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Speaker 4: kind of contender, but name recognition is something. But I

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Speaker 4: also would hope that if it's labor, it's labor with

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Speaker 4: a small owl, and it doesn't become so party political.

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Speaker 4: Sure labor will benefit if he gets in, but hopefully

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Speaker 4: you can work across the isle. As they say, I'm

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Speaker 4: in that old fashion tradition of getting on with people.

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Speaker 4: He does get on, as I understand it worth a

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Speaker 4: wide range of people. He is a mature person and

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Speaker 4: God knows they need it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's got to the point where somebody suggested to me

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Speaker 4: last week that I might like to think about it.

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 2: What did you say? What did you say, kat.

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Speaker 4: I said gosh, I say, gosh. I've always fancied moving

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Speaker 4: back to Wellington. But if it was like that, I

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Speaker 4: am not sure. I am not your mass.

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Speaker 2: No time to cut and run, right, it is a

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Speaker 2: clear to Laura nick Leggett on the huddle, it's just

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Speaker 2: gone sixteen minutes away from six. We're back in just

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Speaker 2: a moment. Lots to talk about, talk about the government

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Speaker 2: and the trade wars. We've had Nikola Willis and Luxon

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but showing strength. I suppose it is thirte

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Speaker 2: anyway from six after six, Simon Wat's on this green

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Speaker 2: fun that they're getting rid of right now. Clear to

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Speaker 2: Laura nick Leggett on the huddle. Guys, We've had Chris

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Speaker 2: Luxon come out today on Instagram of all platforms, and

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Speaker 2: do a video saying, don't worry, We're going to be

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Speaker 2: okay in terms of the Tara stuff. And then we

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Speaker 2: had Nichola Willis come out and do a press release

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Speaker 2: It's sorry, a press conference saying essentially the same thing. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there will be implications, but we will be able to

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Speaker 2: deal with it. Nick, do you think they have this

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Speaker 3: Well, it's this is the most economically uncertain time. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean COVID obviously was pretty bad, but this in

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Speaker 3: terms of structural changes to the way the world trades

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Speaker 3: and the linkage between trade and security now and defense

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Speaker 3: is met. We don't have anything under control. But the

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Speaker 3: signals of the government send as they have sent today

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Speaker 3: are very important. They're very important for our economy, for

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Speaker 3: people feeling secure about their livelihoods, for people that manufacture,

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Speaker 3: people that are export and important in New Zealand. I

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Speaker 3: mean this is I think the uncertainty exists with our

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Speaker 3: supply chains, where we buy from, where we have components

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Speaker 3: If you think about our close trading partners in the

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Speaker 3: Asia Pacific, there are a lot of countries that are

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Speaker 3: being hit with very high tariffs and that will have

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Speaker 3: an impact in turn on what New Zealand pays too important,

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Speaker 3: but we also have some buffers and look I heard

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Speaker 3: very clearly from Christopher Luxe and at the recent Infrastructure

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Speaker 3: Investments summer where he said to his message to the

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Speaker 3: seas territories and countries was New Zealand can be a

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Speaker 3: safe harbor for investment in uncertain times, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's really important that we keep that strategy. We keep

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Speaker 3: not just repeating it, but the action of the nation

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Speaker 3: and the economic players is that we attempt to live

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Speaker 3: there because we've got we've got to have a sort

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Speaker 3: of a pretty stable strategy that will take us through

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Speaker 3: these times, however long they last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think the strategy is the right one? Clear?

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Speaker 2: And you know you've had Hipkins come out today and

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Speaker 2: say you should be going a bit harder against Trump

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Would that really make a difference.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it does, and I think they

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Speaker 4: are doing the right thing, just making the right noises.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is that aside from some very smart

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Speaker 4: exporters who may have shipped a lot of stuff across

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Speaker 4: to the States in anticipation of tariffs, who may, for example,

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Speaker 4: if there were any way in producers who thought to

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Speaker 4: do what some of the champagne houses France did, which

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Speaker 4: was to take a lot of their production over there

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Speaker 4: before the tariffs were imposed. But we are basically in

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Speaker 4: who is unpredictable, stubborn, some would say unhinged, and who

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Speaker 4: may change his mind, but may not because he seems

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Speaker 4: to the theater of it all, seems to be driving

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Speaker 4: a lot of it because there isn't a huge amount

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Speaker 4: of logic, so you have to be extremely careful on

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Speaker 4: how you handle the guy. I listen sometimes to Anthony Scaramucci,

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Speaker 4: who lasted I think eleven days with trumpond in the

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Speaker 4: first iteration, and he sounds genuinely sort of Oh, I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't say, scared of what's happening, but really apprehensive about

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Speaker 4: where it will go if there is if there are not.

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Speaker 4: He says, eleven brave people, three senators, three Republican Cabinet members,

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Speaker 4: and say five members of the House who turn and

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Speaker 4: say no and coalesce with the with the Democrats who

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Speaker 4: are in some disarray still. So I mean, if that's

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Speaker 4: how he feels, he sort of does know the guy. Sure,

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Speaker 4: you only lasted eleven days, but it's a lot longer

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Speaker 4: than any of our politicians have ever been in the

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Speaker 4: room with the guy. You've got an insight into him,

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Speaker 4: and I think we are in really very unpredictable times.

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Speaker 4: If people individually wonder what they can do. I just say,

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Speaker 4: you know, keep in touch with your sane, rational American friends,

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Speaker 4: some of whom you know reached out to me and said,

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Speaker 4: we're really sort of we're embarrassed about what's going on.

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Speaker 4: Seems a bit crazy to us. And also, if you

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Speaker 4: want to you have your own little boycott. It won't

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Speaker 4: make much difference. You know, you can look and see

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Speaker 4: if something that you're about to buy was made an

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Speaker 4: American boy cott it if it makes you better feel better.

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Speaker 4: But it is going to be one of those things

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Speaker 4: where you just have to watch the actions of this

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Speaker 4: one man who at the moment is acting like the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is. It's a little bit scary. It

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Speaker 2: didn't end well with Scaramouchie, did it. I think with

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Speaker 2: Trump and Scaramucie. I mean some people say there's there's

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Speaker 2: bad blood there, but yeah, I take your point. And

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Speaker 2: actually we had Stephen Joyce on the program after five

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Speaker 2: this evening. He said, the same thing is, basically, you've

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Speaker 2: got to get some senators, and you've got to get

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Speaker 2: some couple of folks in the house change sides, and

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Speaker 2: the whole thing could be over quite quickly.

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Speaker 4: But well, It would be very interesting to know what

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Speaker 4: John Key makes of all of us, because prior to

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Speaker 4: the election, he said he was, you know, he was

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Speaker 4: sporting Trump. He thought he would be a great guy

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Speaker 4: to get in there. He's an admirer. What does John

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Speaker 4: Key make of this now?

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Speaker 2: We have tried to get him on the program several times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, gone quiet on Trump. Yeah, I would tour I was.

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Speaker 2: Him, all right, guys, Thanks for that. Clear to Laura

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Speaker 2: nick Leggett on the Huddle.

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