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Speaker 1: That the number one thing they want is some certainty

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Speaker 1: so that they can actually use that revenue to invest.

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Speaker 1: And there's one guy there saying, look, you know, my shed,

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Speaker 1: my bard's falling over. I should be doing something about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about what happens next, but that just gives

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Speaker 1: me more determination. We've got to win this election, show

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Speaker 1: New Zealand that the alternative is not just worse, it's much, much,

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Speaker 1: much worse, and also make sure that we have a

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Speaker 1: good connection with people's concerns and their hopes so that

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Speaker 1: we can actually not only get more votes, but use

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Speaker 1: that mandate to improve policy. That's what it's ultimately got

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Speaker 1: to be about.

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Speaker 2: One more heavy question for you. Many consider ACT to

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Speaker 2: be our most right wing party in this country, and

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Speaker 2: sometimes it comes with like negative connotations, right, oh, the

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Speaker 2: good mates with the corporates. It's all about the money.

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Speaker 2: How do you see it? What does been right wing

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Speaker 2: mean to you?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because I've just been round at rural

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Speaker 1: co who are a co op, the last of the

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Speaker 1: regional co ops.

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Speaker 2: Good buddies area.

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Speaker 1: And I like co ops because they're a good example

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Speaker 1: of how free people in a free society will form

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Speaker 1: all sorts of associations to solve their problems, and I

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Speaker 1: would include unions in that, even though they're not my

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Speaker 1: favorite type of association. I would include rugby clubs, which

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Speaker 1: I like a lot more. I would also include farms

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Speaker 1: and trusts, and also businesses and businesses of all different sizes.

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Speaker 1: So the truth is that in a free society, people

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Speaker 1: will form all sorts of different associations in order to

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Speaker 1: solve their problems, and the truth is that we need

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Speaker 1: them all. The real question is do we create an

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Speaker 1: environment where people are happy with success, where they can

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Speaker 1: be rewarded for their efforts and feel like, actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can make some change in some difference, I can

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Speaker 1: leave a better world for my children than I inherited myself.

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Speaker 1: Because if you feel like that, then things can be better. Often.

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Speaker 1: That's all I believe. You know, don't separate people by race.

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Speaker 1: If everyone an opportunity to leave a better world for

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Speaker 1: their children than they had themselves, that's all we believe in.

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Speaker 1: If people want to call that right wing, call that

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Speaker 1: left wing. I mean, you know, we've always been in

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Speaker 1: favor of things like choice around euthanasia, you know, choice

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Speaker 1: around abortion. Were actually in some ways. Some people would

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Speaker 1: say left wing, But what it all comes back to

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Speaker 1: is fundamental human dignity to make the most of your

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Speaker 1: time on Earth.