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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither Duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand, Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 1: Newstalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: We're going to go to Washington and find out what

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Speaker 3: Karmala Harris's chances are against Trump. The government's just announced

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Speaker 3: they're going to replace the Health New Zealand Board with

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Speaker 3: a commissioner for a year. We'll get those details. We'll

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Speaker 3: speak to the Health Minister later on. And the drama

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Speaker 3: around the warehouse takeover bid the shareholders Association on.

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Speaker 1: That Hither Duplicy Ellen?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what surprised me the most about Joe

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Speaker 3: because that was entirely predictable was and that obviously needed

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Speaker 3: to happen. What surprised me is it he's been so

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Speaker 3: obviously it should not have taken him more than three

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Speaker 3: immediately after the debate that the thing was probably not survivable.

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Speaker 3: But if you give him the benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 3: to fight, to be able to stay fair enough. Ugh,

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Speaker 3: come on, when George Clooney and Barack Obama and Nancy

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Speaker 3: Pelosi made it really obvious around about two weeks ago

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Speaker 3: to endorse Karmala Harris on his way out just feels

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Speaker 3: really bratty from him. He should not have done that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's really obvious for a start, she's going

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Speaker 3: to struggle to beat Trump. She's one of the most

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Speaker 3: unpopular vice presidents in a long time, if not in history.

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Speaker 3: But he must know that, right and he does because

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Speaker 3: he's privately expressed that sentiment according to reports, which apparently

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Speaker 3: But set that to one side. He should not have

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Speaker 3: endorsed her because clearly other senior Democrats did not want

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Speaker 3: her to be anointed like this neither And this says

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Speaker 3: a lot neither Barack Obama nor Nancy Pelosi have endorsed

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Speaker 3: it feels like I knew that because that was expressed

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Speaker 3: possibly in retaliation for forcing him out. Now he's entitled

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Speaker 3: But what he's done is he's laid out for all

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Speaker 3: of us to see how divided and shambollic the Democrats

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Speaker 3: have hoped that the division would end the minute that

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden stepped down, right steps down, finally put the

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Speaker 3: find the next person. But what he's done by endorsing

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Speaker 3: Krmala Harris's he's just made sure that this goes on

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Speaker 3: for potentially weeks until the party's national convention next month. Now,

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Speaker 3: people have made a lot of Joe Biden in the

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Speaker 3: last few hours. That sung is praise that hero worshiped,

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Speaker 1: Man you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 2: Heather Dup to see Allen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: let's get connected and news.

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Speaker 1: Talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen nine two is the ten number and obviously standard

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Speaker 3: text fees apply. Now on another subject, a former volunteer

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Speaker 4: There's a bit of a complex with the rhinos and

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Speaker 3: Animal welfare staff from the Ministry of Primary Industries have

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Speaker 3: of Investigations and Compliance supporting with us. Now, Hey, Gary,

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Speaker 3: what are you looking at?

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Speaker 5: So we're going to be looking at every animal in

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Speaker 3: Okay, And because obviously you're just going to look at

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Speaker 5: No, it's not, because obviously we've had these historic istion

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Speaker 5: deaths or injuries are required to be documented by the

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Speaker 5: But we would expect the operators to notify us proactively

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Speaker 5: if there are any serious animal welfare issues, and the

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Speaker 3: Attention from the zone, which ones in.

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Speaker 5: Relation to the giraffes, the gorilla and the auto that

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Speaker 3: But what is it about the gorilla? So the story

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Speaker 5: It would appear that the allegation is that treatment wasn't

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Speaker 5: You know, we're not the experts and the health of animals,

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Speaker 5: You know about the otter drowning in the pond and

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Speaker 5: suffering a serious injury to the net.

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Speaker 3: Would you have expected to have been told about these things?

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Speaker 5: Yes, we would, and you know we would expect to

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Speaker 5: For us, our priorities the welfare of the animals, and

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Speaker 5: we want to make sure they're well and healthy, and

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Speaker 5: we investigate all the animal welfare issues that are raised

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Speaker 5: with us. We've had five since twenty sixteen that are

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Speaker 5: being resolved. The important thing, though, is that all these

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Speaker 7: So we'd sort of encourage.

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Speaker 5: People to contact us to it if they want to

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Speaker 5: be confidential their details to keep confidential. We can do that.

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Speaker 5: We're very good at doing that and we do it

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Speaker 3: Now, Gary, when I watched the one new story last night,

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Speaker 3: I thought, all of the stuff is explainable, all right,

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Speaker 3: you finding this information. But what the thing that concerned

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Speaker 3: me was the lack of transparency. And you say that

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Speaker 3: Is that are they legally obligated to tell you?

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Speaker 5: Well, as I say, they're required to record all of

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Speaker 5: they're going along the side to do an order. Are

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Speaker 5: I haven't and there'll be one of the things that

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Speaker 3: Okay, and when are we going to hear from you

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Speaker 5: Well, we expect our assessment to take a couple of days.

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Speaker 5: As indicated, we're looking every animal in the park and

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Speaker 5: there are a lot of them, so there's a fear

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Speaker 3: All right, Gary, best of luck and thank you for

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Speaker 3: MPI Director of Investigations and Compliance Support. You know what

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Speaker 3: another case of way, shouldn't have zoos?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't have zoos? Why have we got a gorilla in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand? What is a gorilla in New Zealand doing here?

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Speaker 3: This is not a place for gorillas. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: if I mean I have some sympathy to I watched

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Speaker 3: If you're gonna have animals in parks and stuff, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna die, right And with the gorilla as well,

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Speaker 3: I mean the gorilla was clearly sick. They tried to

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Speaker 3: do the right thing for the gorilla. It's hard enough

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Speaker 3: figuring out off a gorilla. They can't talk to you

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Speaker 3: problem is do we even have gorilla experts in New Zealand?

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Speaker 3: Probably not because we don't. Actually, we're not supposed to

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Speaker 3: the're supposed to be. This is crazy stuff, Heather. The

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Speaker 3: Democratic Party is imploding. There's only one went or out

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Speaker 3: of this, and that's Trump with what seems to be

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Speaker 3: message of this ascending right now. The Republicans look like

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Speaker 3: they've got their act together and the Democrats, on the

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Speaker 3: other hand, very much not. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for business,

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Speaker 2: US dogs be right.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past four. Jason Pine is with US right now,

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Speaker 3: hat Piney, Piney, Hello, Yeah, no, no, Piney, it's literally

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Speaker 3: my fault. I was just saying to the producers that,

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Speaker 8: Hello Piney, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 3: How good is the news that Ardie sav is going

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Speaker 3: to Mouana PACIFICA.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think this is a win for everybody, really,

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Speaker 8: apart from perhaps the Hurricanes, who would love to have

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Speaker 8: had Artie's says, I mean, what team in the world

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Speaker 8: would not, But if you look at what it'll do

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Speaker 8: for Witea Pacifica. First of all, I mean, what a

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Speaker 8: boost for them on and off the field. For the competition.

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Speaker 8: It gives you another competitive team, plus a great storyline.

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Speaker 8: And then as far as Artie's concerned, I mean, he's

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Speaker 8: been deeply connected to his Pacifica culture for a while now,

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Speaker 8: so he gets the opportunity to scratch that, which as

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Speaker 8: well he stays eligible for the All Blacks. I don't

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Speaker 8: really see and other players will now be I'm sure

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Speaker 8: tempted to follow his lead to Wina Pacifica as well,

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Speaker 8: which will only strengthen them further. I really can't see

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Speaker 8: a downside to any of this.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I think you're right. I mean, he's got

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 3: Is this over?

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Speaker 8: Are we talking mathematical possibilities now?

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Speaker 8: And when we get into that sort of conversation and

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, now do we know yet what went wrong?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, knocking over that kick from in front

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Speaker 8: Told anybody who suggested the Warriors wouldn't be in the

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Speaker 10: Of course they will be.

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Speaker 8: This is a top four side, this is our year.

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Speaker 8: It's just so disappointing that we find ourselves in this situation.

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Speaker 3: Now I agree with you. Piney hey, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: He'll be back seven o'clock this evening for a show

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Speaker 3: that will undoubtedly run much more smoothly than mine. We're

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Speaker 3: going to have a chat to Michael Jones as in Lake.

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Speaker 3: Sir Michael Jones. He is the chair obviously of the

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Speaker 3: about the Ardie sav announcement about quarter past five. Hither

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Speaker 3: you're right about the gorilla. Hither you're two thousand percent correct.

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Speaker 3: Zoos should be closed. Hither we don't need gorilla specialists.

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Speaker 3: We have vets, are mate, bless. It's very different, very different,

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper clan

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and us dogs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be Heather. Have you heard if futs who orders board?

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Speaker 3: This is howth New Zealand's bard is going to be

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Speaker 3: replaced by doctor Lester Levy. Levy as a commissioner. This

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Speaker 3: is the strongest ministerial option available to the Minister. Shane

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Speaker 3: that Et, Yes, we did know that said at the

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Speaker 11: The problems at Health New Zealand, while complex, are obvious.

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Speaker 11: The previous government simply took the old DHBs and sought

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Speaker 1: Over the time.

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Speaker 11: Frankly, it was appalling implementation from a government with a

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Speaker 11: at Tepu, Kinga, kinder Aura and Faikaha Ministry of Disabled People.

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Speaker 3: Apparently get this. Health New Zealand is overspending at the

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Speaker 3: fact that potential can blow your mind. There are between

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Speaker 3: do over. Anyway, Shane, that Etti Health Minister is going

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Speaker 3: Carmala Harris has got a lot of problems that she

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Speaker 3: what can be unburdened by what has been?

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Speaker 1: What can be unburdened by what has been? What can

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Speaker 1: be unburdened by what has been? Unburdened by what hasn't been?

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Speaker 3: I know what you're thinking. Why didn't I think of

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Speaker 3: that phrase first? What an absolute winner? If I come

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Speaker 3: and wouldn't Of course he was a stupid thing to say. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: this is her problem.

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Speaker 12: Headline's next news talk zed Bresson.

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers.

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Speaker 2: Talk to Heather First, Heather dupleic allan drive with One

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Right, we've got to talk about the warehouse shortly. Barry

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Speaker 3: Soper is going to be a US in ten minutes time.

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Speaker 3: Just a little bit more on what's going on with

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand to order. Doctor Shane Retti, the Health Minister,

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Speaker 3: was just asked whether he had faith in the Health

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Speaker 3: New Zealand CEO Marji Upper.

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Speaker 13: I have faith in the board and the replaced board

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Speaker 13: the lead of expectation makes it very clear what.

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Speaker 1: He's expected to deliver.

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Speaker 14: Executive, It's not for me to have faith.

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Speaker 13: In the chief executive that's appointed by the board and

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Speaker 3: Awkward. If you were Margie Uper, do you know what

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Speaker 3: Margie you need to do with Biden? You need to go.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have faith in you, That's pretty obvious. Otherwise

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Speaker 3: your grace. Twenty three away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive so.

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Speaker 3: California Governor garn Newsom has endorsed Karmala Harris in the

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Speaker 3: US presidential race. There was speculation that Newsom would himself

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Speaker 3: make a presidential run after Joe Biden withdrew this morning,

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Speaker 3: but so far, Karmla Harris is the only serious candidate

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Speaker 3: to put her hat in the ring for the Democratic nomination.

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Speaker 3: California Senator Lafonza Butlers is Harris is the right choice.

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Speaker 15: This is a vice president who has earned this nomination

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Speaker 15: that she said in her own statement, she's going to

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Speaker 3: Former Democratic Congresswoman Jane Harmon says the party's still in

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Speaker 3: with a shot in November.

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Speaker 1: This will not be a coronation.

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Speaker 16: I'm confident that the Democratic Party, my party, will field

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Speaker 3: I'm not absolutely sure who he will be, but I.

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Speaker 15: Don't want to get in the way of a process

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Speaker 3: Australian pro minister The Elbow says he hopes to meet

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Speaker 17: President Biden deserves today, I think, to be recognized for

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Speaker 17: once again not putting himself forward first, but giving his

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Speaker 3: And finally, speaking of who's needing to be shut down,

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends at Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson is with us right now. Hello, Ollie get aheader. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So what do you make of Elbow's tribute to Biden.

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Speaker 18: Well, you know, they see themselves probably is one and

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Speaker 18: record because of Orcus, the Inflation Reduction Act, and he

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Speaker 18: interesting point. If Albanizi wins the federal ellet here in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually quite interesting. Hey, what was the housing

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Speaker 3: And how many are you going to be able to build?

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Speaker 18: Well, we're going to be able to build about just

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Speaker 18: under a million, so somewhere between nine hundred thousand and

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Speaker 18: a million. So I mean that's huge, right, They're off

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Speaker 18: by twenty percent. And the government's got a massive issue

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Speaker 18: with this header because they promised to pull down him

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Speaker 18: ation and they promised to get that below four hundred

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Speaker 18: thousand last financial year, which is obviously just finished twenty

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Speaker 18: two days ago. It came in at four hundred and

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Speaker 18: thirty five thousand. So one, they said that fix it

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Speaker 18: after record migration, they didn't do that. And two we

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Speaker 18: are not hitting these housing targets. So where I am

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Speaker 18: in Perth, you've seen property prices grow twenty to twenty

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Speaker 18: five percent over the last twelve months. Forecast is another

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Speaker 18: twenty to twenty five percent over the next twelve months,

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Speaker 18: which is great. If you own your own home, you

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Speaker 18: got a roof over your head. But you can't fight

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Speaker 18: a rental. You can't find a house to buy anywhere

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Speaker 18: in Western Australia at the moment.

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Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous. Ollie, how cold is it if you

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Speaker 3: call off a footy game?

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Speaker 15: Like?

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Speaker 3: How cold does it have to get?

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Speaker 18: I mean you're just soft, aren't you.

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Speaker 3: Like you tell me, tell me how cold and then

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Speaker 3: we'll make a call.

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Speaker 18: Well, you've got this situation in basically in Ballarat, so Country, Victoria,

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Speaker 18: the Central Highlands of Victoria. On Saturday, half past two,

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Speaker 18: they reckon it got down to minus three point four

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Speaker 18: degrees fifteen meals of ragn that's what they're saying. It

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Speaker 18: felt like minus three point four degrees. Oh that's a

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Speaker 18: summer's day in New Zealand, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Are you seriously saying they should have been out playing

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Speaker 3: footy and minus three point Well do you know what

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Speaker 3: we would? You would because you're tough. New Zealand is

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Speaker 3: six year old. The other day down South.

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Speaker 18: I had my six year old yesterday at AFL at

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Speaker 18: Ossie Rules crying to me, you know, halfway through his

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Speaker 18: oz kick, saying, Dad, it's raining. I want to go home. Oh,

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Speaker 18: I said, mate, you tough enough. You go out there,

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Speaker 18: you get wet, and you enjoy because foot he's meant

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Speaker 18: to be playing the rain.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't.

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Speaker 3: He loved it, did he? Oh God, Ollie, Now I

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Speaker 3: actually I agree with you, they asked off, thank you

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Speaker 3: for that totally. Oliver Peterson's six PR Perth Life presenter.

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Speaker 3: Funnily enough, actually I was talking to them, as you know, Laura,

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Speaker 3: the overachieving producer here on the show is German, and

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Speaker 3: so we talk about stuff. We talk about European stuff,

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Speaker 3: just my European contact. I said to her the other day.

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Speaker 3: Did you read the article in the Guardian about what

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Speaker 3: was it the Scandies or was the Swedish? Was it

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Speaker 3: a specific kind of scandy? Was it the Danish? It

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Speaker 3: was the Noigen? Yeah that who knows? They are all

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Speaker 3: the same, aren't they anyway? So it was Norwegians. They

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Speaker 3: do free range parenting, according to this article in the Guardian,

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Speaker 3: like at an extreme level. Like I think free range

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Speaker 3: parenting for me is when I'm like sitting at the

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Speaker 3: pool at the Result in Fiji, and Iggy, who's two

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Speaker 3: and a half, is like three or four meters away

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Speaker 3: from me and might fall in the pool. He might

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Speaker 3: just fall in and then I'm gonna have to jump

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Speaker 3: in and pull him out. That's I think that's free

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Speaker 3: range parenting, right, that's teaching him lessons and stuff. For

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Speaker 3: the Norwegians, that's not free range parenting. Norwegians aren't even

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Speaker 3: at the pool. The two year old's there by themselves

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Speaker 3: just learning to swim or drowning. They do crazy things

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Speaker 3: like they get So the German produced the reason I

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Speaker 3: was talking about hers because I was telling her about

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Speaker 3: this article. Then she's like, have a look at this,

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Speaker 3: and she got out her Instagram and showed me what

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Speaker 3: the Scandies do at kindy and it is wild. Like

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Speaker 3: they basically they basically have this giant muddy puddle where

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Speaker 3: they get the kids up on a box and they

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Speaker 3: just line them up. They line them up, climb up

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Speaker 3: up to the box, up the stairs and they jump

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Speaker 3: from the box down into the muddy puddle, one after

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Speaker 3: the other. And that's the fun that they're having at

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Speaker 3: Scandy Kindy. And then they just go around and do

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Speaker 3: it again, and they're saying over there is there's no

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Speaker 3: such thing as dangerous weather. You only have dangerous clothing.

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Speaker 3: So they just embrace their environment. And I feel like

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Speaker 3: maybe the Aussies need to too, and maybe actually the

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Speaker 3: rest of us need to anyway, talk about some serious stuff.

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Speaker 3: Nick's Barry soap is going to be with us Talk

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Speaker 3: Politics seventeen to two.

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Speaker 2: Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments Certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US Barry.

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Speaker 9: Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the Joe Biden US this morning?

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Speaker 9: Well, pretty extraordinary, wasn't it. That I think was long

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Speaker 9: overdue and probably left too late. I mean, Camilla Harris

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Speaker 9: has now got a hell of a job to campaign

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Speaker 9: between now and November to even bring the Democrats within

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Speaker 9: couey of Donald Trump. I think what New Zealand's got

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Speaker 9: to think about though, And it's not our choice, of course,

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Speaker 9: but a Trump presidency won't be that good for New

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Speaker 9: Zealand because Trump is not a free trader. You'll remember

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Speaker 9: the PPTA now it's the comprehensive regressive because of Justin Trudeau,

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Speaker 9: that meeting that they had in Vietnam just after Jasin

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Speaker 9: Dadun became Prime minister. It was Trump, It was said

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Speaker 9: to be Trump. There was an intervention on Justin Trudeau

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Speaker 9: to back out at the last minute, which is what

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Speaker 9: he did. And Trump has talked about a ten percent

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Speaker 9: tariff on all imports. So you know, I think if

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Speaker 9: the certainly the Democrats won't be able to pull it off.

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Speaker 9: But it doesn't look that good for us in particular

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Speaker 9: if we want to be selfish about this.

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Speaker 3: I suppose, and we do want to be selfish about

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Speaker 3: it as well, don't we. Now. The fact that they

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Speaker 3: have replaced this is the government have replaced the Health

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Board with a commissioner is a pretty strong

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Speaker 3: indication that they are deeply unhappy about what's happening at

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: Oh this is massive when you think about it. I

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Speaker 9: mean they had sixteen board members, so fifteen of them

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Speaker 9: have been chucked out. And the South African born Lester Levy,

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Speaker 9: a professor no less, he's now the new Commissioner of

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Speaker 9: Health New Zealand and that's a big job and good

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Speaker 9: luck to him. He's got to achieve, according to the government,

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Speaker 9: to turn around and savings of around over the next

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Speaker 9: year of a one point four billion dollars which is

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Speaker 9: the projected deficit this year. The point that the government's

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Speaker 9: been making, and of course Chris Luckson's been at the

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Speaker 9: podium and the beehive along with Shane Retty, the Health Minister.

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Speaker 9: He said that the twenty health boards, basically the DHBs

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Speaker 9: were smashed into one, bureaucracy was left behind and now

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Speaker 9: they've got to get rid of a lot of that bureaucracy.

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Speaker 9: Now they're talking about two and a half thousand to

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Speaker 9: threeoul back office jobs that may go as a result

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Speaker 9: of this. So this is a big deal for Health

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Speaker 9: New Zealand and whether they can achieve what the government

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Speaker 9: expects them to achieve or him that's less levy within

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Speaker 9: twelve months is very debatable. What it'll give the government

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Speaker 9: though heither is much more say over the health system

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Speaker 9: because they'll be dealing directly with the Commissioner rather than

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Speaker 9: allowing the board to do their own thing. And they

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Speaker 9: would say that this bureaucracy has built up, there's been

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Speaker 9: no monitoring in the Health Ministry and it's got to

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Speaker 9: be put right.

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Speaker 3: So basically the coalition government is having to do the

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Speaker 3: very thing that Andrew Little tried to do, right, So

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Speaker 3: he brought all the DHBs together to get rid of bureaucracy.

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Speaker 3: And it didn't work, and now they're having to do

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Speaker 3: it all over again.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, it didn't work. And the government, this government appointed

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Speaker 9: a Crown Advisor back in December, no doubt this is

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Speaker 9: as part of that that they decided that the Commissioner

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Speaker 9: was the way to go. So look, look, it is

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Speaker 9: a significant change in the health system in New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Let's hope it works.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, how long is this Mardi MP who's at

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Speaker 3: the center of these questions about what was going on

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Speaker 3: in the Toomakimikodo electorate. How long is she on lea.

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Speaker 9: For Well, she's on leaf for six weeks, she says,

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Speaker 9: she's off to recover from a kidney disease. And of

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Speaker 9: course during that time there's inquiries going on into the

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Speaker 9: thomackemcolder's seat that she won by forty two votes from

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Speaker 9: Penny Henarre from the Labor Party. She was in charge

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Speaker 9: of the electorate at the center of the allegations that

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Speaker 9: they used data from the census, for example, to benefit

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Speaker 9: the Maldi party in herself and of course the party

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Speaker 9: has called the allegations baseless, but nevertheless, she won't be

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Speaker 9: in parliament, won't be around as these investigations go on

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Speaker 9: and ironically hit the person that came third in that

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Speaker 9: Electret Darly in Tana. Well, we'll know tomorrow whether she's

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Speaker 9: going to be declared and independent because Parliament resumes tomorrow

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Speaker 9: and looks as though she's sticking around.

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Speaker 3: How good tomorrow is going to be a great day, Barry,

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, really appreciate it. Barry Soper, senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondent, Night Away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers. Some mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: So Biden has gone, came from nowhere, not nowhere, nowhere,

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Speaker 19: but today no one expected it. I don't think Jeff

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Speaker 19: Mason is the White House correspondent for Witters.

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Speaker 1: He's in Delaware and is with us.

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Speaker 19: If I asked you twenty four hours ago, would this

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Speaker 19: unfold as it's unfolded in the last couple of hours,

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Speaker 19: you would have told me what Palmi, We would have

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Speaker 19: told you.

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Speaker 20: I wouldn't have expected something to happen on Sunday, and

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Speaker 20: it has. There's been a wave of calls from Democratic

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Speaker 20: lawmakers donors for President Biden to step down last week

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Speaker 20: on Thursday, I believe that he was thinking about it.

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Speaker 20: So it felts like Friday, Saturday, like he was meant.

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Speaker 10: To stay in and then today he released.

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Speaker 19: His ladder back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 19: Breakfast with the Jaguar News talk.

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Speaker 3: Z B six away from five. So apparently on the

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Speaker 3: Biden thing, just to give you an indication of how

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Speaker 3: quickly things moved, he apparently on Sunday, it was Sunday

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Speaker 3: their time, obviously in the States. Apparently he was still

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Speaker 3: keen to run on Sunday morning, and then something changed

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Speaker 3: by the afternoon, and he spoke multiple times with Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris throughout the day and various other people that he

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Speaker 3: was talking to, and then at one point he called

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Speaker 3: together a small group of senior advisers from his campaign

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Speaker 3: team but also from the White House, got them together

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Speaker 3: in a room, told them that he was done, and

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Speaker 3: the message that we saw on Twitter went out one

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Speaker 3: minute later. So that is how that is how fast

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Speaker 3: it moved. They were told with one minute to spare

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Speaker 3: before the rest of us were told, now we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to David Smith, the Guardian's Washington correspondent, straight

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Speaker 3: after the news, also going to talk about the warehouse.

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Speaker 21: Now.

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Speaker 3: The warehouse situation is absolutely fascinating because, as we know,

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Speaker 3: the warehouse has been extremely poorly run of late. The

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Speaker 3: shares have gone from somewhere like four dollars a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago to like sitting around one dollar this year,

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Speaker 3: so they've lost seventy five percent of their value. These

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Speaker 3: people set up the market, they couldn't even find they

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Speaker 3: try to find a buyer. Nobody wanted to buy it.

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Speaker 3: It was such a shambles to just shut it down.

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Speaker 3: Torpedo seven, which should have worked. It was a gimme

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Speaker 3: because we love outdoors and it was full of outdoors stuff.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't even make that work, sold it for a dollar.

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Speaker 3: So the things just to shambles. Right, So Sir Stephen Tindall,

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Speaker 3: who started the warehouse, now wants to buy the warehouse back.

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Speaker 3: So he and private equity firm have approached the warehouse

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Speaker 3: to buy the rest of the shares. He's got I

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Speaker 3: think twenty seven percent. Tindall Foundation's got twenty one percent,

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Speaker 3: so he's got around about half. He and this private

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Speaker 3: equity firm want to presumably buy the rest of the

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Speaker 3: other half. The warehouse, in response, has told shareholders not

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Speaker 3: to sell their shares. They say the approach received did

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Speaker 3: not constitute an offer buy anyone to acquire the business

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Speaker 3: of the company or the shares of the company, so

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Speaker 3: basically hold fire. But as a result of this a

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Speaker 3: the shares went up by something like twenty five percent,

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Speaker 3: so everybody else can see that this is an absolutely

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Speaker 3: good move. I think this is what the warehouse needs.

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Speaker 3: Don't use there's something fundamentally wrong with the warehouse. It's

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Speaker 3: just a poorly run business. The warehouse is a fantastic thing.

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Speaker 3: Like I was in Pooka Koe last night for dinner

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Speaker 3: with you know, the grandparents and the aunties and the

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Speaker 3: uncles and the shambles, and I was instructed that I

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Speaker 3: immediately I had forgotten the five year old niece's birthday

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Speaker 3: and I needed to go out and buy a hair thing.

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Speaker 3: What are those things? A hairband? I had to go

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Speaker 3: out and buy a hairband. Well, you know, small town

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, where do you go to go buy a hairband?

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Speaker 3: I just went straight to the warehouse, didn't I? And

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Speaker 3: how many hairbands did they have multiple for five dollars.

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Speaker 3: So I solved the problem. And this is why the

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Speaker 3: warehouse is always going to be okay as long as

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Speaker 3: it's well run because they've got a footprint all around

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Speaker 3: the country. Everybody knows. It's got a fantastic, fantastic reputation.

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Speaker 3: So ghost to Sir Stephen Tindall did at one time,

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Speaker 3: should be able to do it again. Fingers crossed off

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Speaker 3: to Washington. Next talk about Joe Biden, and then we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Shane Ritti about what on earth

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Speaker 3: is going on in Health New Zealand that the place

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Speaker 3: is such a mess. It feels like everything's a mess today.

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Speaker 3: And then after that, Sir Michael Jones on the news

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Speaker 3: that Ardie Savi is going to Moua pacifica News Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd Besson Christian.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. President Joe Biden has quit the US race for

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Speaker 3: re election. That of course is not a surprise. It

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Speaker 3: was inevitable. What is a surprise is how long it's

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Speaker 3: taken for him to get there, because remember the disastrous

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Speaker 3: president will about with Donald Trump was more than three

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Speaker 3: weeks ago. The President has also begged his Vice president,

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Speaker 3: Karmala Harris for the nomination. David Smith is Washington bureau

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Speaker 3: chief for The Guardian High David, Hello, can she beat Trump?

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Speaker 22: Yes, I think it's possible. Were looks like we're heading

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Speaker 22: for an election that will really be very decisive about

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Speaker 22: the future of America. You've got an elderly white man

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Speaker 22: who was instrumental in overturning abortion rights and who rails

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Speaker 22: against immigration, has made racist comments versus someone who would

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Speaker 22: be the first female president in history and a black

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Speaker 22: woman to be president in American history, and who's been

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Speaker 22: very outspoken on reproductive freedom since the fall of Roe

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Speaker 22: versus Wade. And right now Democrats have given themselves some

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Speaker 22: momentu them with this move. They were bitterly divided over

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Speaker 22: Joe Biden and dithering and listless, and money was drying up.

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Speaker 22: But now on the first day of Biden's withdrawal, there

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Speaker 22: seems to be a rallying around Kamala Harris as the nominee.

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Speaker 22: Nearly fifty million dollars raised, and lots of governors and

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Speaker 22: members of Congress, and Bill and Harry Clinton piling in

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Speaker 22: to throw their weight behind her. I think a feeling that,

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Speaker 22: you know, this has upended the race and given Democrats

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Speaker 22: a shot at victory. But all of that said, Trump

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Speaker 22: probably has still a slight lead in opinion polls. And

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Speaker 22: what we do know based on past elections is this

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Speaker 22: is going to be very very close.

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Speaker 3: Why hasn't Obama and Doorster, Well, that's a question.

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Speaker 22: The Obama camps say he wants to do what he

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Speaker 22: did in twenty twenty, which is wait for the party

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Speaker 22: to make its decision and then weigh in and endorse

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Speaker 22: the nominee. Some people are interpreting this a great deal

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Speaker 22: about it means maybe Biden doesn't like Harris so much.

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Speaker 22: Same for others who haven't endorsed yet. Others suggest let's

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Speaker 22: not overread this. You know, some people are holding back

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Speaker 22: because they want at least a day of tribute and

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Speaker 22: respect for Joe Biden and an Obama's case, that's just

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Speaker 22: the way he works before, you know, waiting for the

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Speaker 22: party to decide the way things are going. She's accumulating

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Speaker 22: a lot of state party support. So I suspect it

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Speaker 22: would only be a matter of time before Obama wags

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Speaker 22: in what.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon it is that finally tipped Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he held out for three weeks and then

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Speaker 3: has finally made the call. Why.

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Speaker 22: My best guess is that he was shown opinion polls

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Speaker 22: suggesting he was very very likely heading for defeat. There's

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Speaker 22: even a report on the Politico website that he was

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Speaker 22: shown some polling I think on Saturday that said the

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Speaker 22: pasta victory was gone, the defeat was certain, and not

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Speaker 22: only would that mean him losing the White House, but

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Speaker 22: also it would drag down a lot of his fellow

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Speaker 22: Democrats in the House of Representatives and send it could

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Speaker 22: have given Donald Trump completely free hand, and I think

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Speaker 22: Biden would believe that was a terrible thing for the country.

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Speaker 22: He might have also had an eye on his own legacy.

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Speaker 22: He did not want to go down in history as

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Speaker 22: a man who saved democracy in twenty twenty only to

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Speaker 22: then sacrifices that the althar of his own ambition in

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Speaker 22: twenty twenty four. So I think he may have made

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Speaker 22: that pragmatic choice and done the thing that so many

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Speaker 22: were urging him to do and sure, I think you know.

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Speaker 22: Part of it also was so many Democrats lining up

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Speaker 22: against him, even a Barmer himself sending some signals Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 22: Chuck Schumer, and then I think we were well above

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Speaker 22: thirty members of Congress at the time the decision was made.

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Speaker 22: I think Biden might also have felt. Look, even though

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Speaker 22: in my bones I believe I can beat Trump and

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Speaker 22: do this job, this is just dragging on so long.

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Speaker 22: It's a terrible thing for the Democratic Party to be

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Speaker 22: so divided. So that alone is a reason to pass

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Speaker 22: on the torch.

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Speaker 3: David, thank you very much, really appreciated. David Smith, Washington,

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Speaker 3: Bureau chief for the Guardian.

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Speaker 1: Of the Island.

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Speaker 3: The government has fired the Board of Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and replaced them with the Commissioner Health. New Zealand is

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Speaker 3: apparently currently overspending at a rate of one hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty million dollars a month. The Health Minister, doctor Shane

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Speaker 3: that reci is with us now, Hey Shane.

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Speaker 5: Hey, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Either what are they spending that money on.

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Speaker 14: A number of things? Well, first of all, that wasn't visible,

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Speaker 14: so the Order to General said there's no internal performance

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Speaker 14: monitoring framework, so no one was watching in the middle

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Speaker 14: of Health New Zealand as to where the money was going,

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Speaker 14: who was doing what, who was recruiting, who wasn't. There

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Speaker 14: was just no watching. When we start to peel it back,

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Speaker 14: which we've done over these past few months, and we're

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Speaker 14: made aware of it a number of areas, it's gone

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Speaker 14: into areas of recruitment, but not always in the areas

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Speaker 14: that we need them. I mean, we need nurses and maternity,

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Speaker 14: we need them in mental health, we need them in

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Speaker 14: critical care. That's not necessarily where the health workforce has gone.

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Speaker 14: There's been consumables and supplies that have blown out, there's

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Speaker 14: been issues around around pecurement. Just a number of areas

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Speaker 14: that have added up, and unfortunate without a monitoring framework,

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Speaker 14: how New zealandn't spot it until too late.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that blew my mind today was

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Speaker 3: you guys said that between the frontline staff and the

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Speaker 3: CEO there are fourteen lines of management. Now, that's an

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Speaker 3: obvious cost saving there. Are you expecting people to be

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Speaker 3: fired to tidy that up?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 14: What we know is that from twenty eighteen to now

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Speaker 14: twenty five hundred back office administration and management staff have

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Speaker 14: been taken on board. Sometimes it's hard to understand exactly

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Speaker 14: what they've been doing. Furthermore, over that period of time.

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Speaker 14: And you couldn't mind if that was the case before

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Speaker 14: your productivity metrics had gone up, but in fact, nearly

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Speaker 14: every health metric has gone down. So yes, Professor Levy,

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Speaker 14: we'll be looking to optimize the back office workforce.

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Speaker 3: Marji Uppa as chief executive has gone right.

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Speaker 14: Look, that's actually a decision. Previously it was for the

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Speaker 14: board and now it's for the commissioner. Our role is

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Speaker 14: to organize the governance. It's then actually the role of

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Speaker 14: the board or the commissioner to employ or to arrange

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Speaker 14: the executive's structure.

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Speaker 3: Shane, thank you very much, appreciate your time. Best of

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Speaker 3: luck with that. It's doctor Shane, the ret Health Minister.

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Speaker 3: Hither the warehouse model is broken because Kmart and Timu

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Speaker 3: were killing it. Ben is a very popular thing to see.

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Speaker 3: You're saying the fashionable thing at the moment. But I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you what you can't. Kmart is only in a

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Speaker 3: number of places in this country, right, So you're just

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Speaker 3: talking as a city person. Try going down into the

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Speaker 3: provincial towns and stuff is still a warehouse. There ain't

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Speaker 3: a kmart there and also tu sucks, so maybe on

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Speaker 3: some level, but I mean, if you need a helmet

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Speaker 3: for your kids so he doesn't smash his head on

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Speaker 3: the scooter today, you're not going to get that off

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Speaker 3: tu A. You're gonna get it from the wah quarter past.

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Speaker 3: You've heard me say it before and I will say

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Speaker 3: it again. When it comes to choosing an EV, then

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Speaker 3: a BYD is the way to go, and there has

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Speaker 3: never been a better time to go that way because

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Speaker 3: right now, the current model BYD at O three, New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's most awarded EV by the way, is just fifty

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Speaker 3: one thousand dollars nine hundred and ninety So you're going

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Speaker 3: to save up to five K when you buy this thing.

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Speaker 3: Be quicker because this deal is literally due to run

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Speaker 3: out any day now. Question, of course, is what are

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Speaker 3: you waiting for? Because the BYD Adda is all the

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Speaker 3: things you would expect from a brand new BYD. It's

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Speaker 3: got a whopping range of up to four hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty k's the ultra safe BYD blade battery, and let

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Speaker 3: me tell you it is a pleasure to drive it.

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Speaker 3: What more could you ask for this crazy runout price

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Speaker 3: is only while the stocks last, so you want to

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Speaker 3: get in quick and you want to make sure you

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Speaker 3: don't miss out. That is the BYD at O three,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's most awarded EV for just fifty one, nine

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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety thousand dollars. Do not take my word

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Speaker 3: for it. Test drive one for yourself today at any

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Speaker 3: BYD dealer and just see how good these things really are.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dup for CLA.

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Speaker 22: Heather.

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Speaker 3: There are some very big names on the Health New

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Speaker 3: Zealand board, including former Senior National Minister, Honorable Amy Adams.

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Speaker 3: Amy Adams quit about three or four weeks ago actually

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Speaker 3: probably sniff that there was something going on, or could

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Speaker 3: see that there was a drama that was about to unfold,

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Speaker 3: or maybe she's just had no more faith herself. She's

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Speaker 3: out the door, so she didn't get the sack. Nineteen

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Speaker 3: past five. Now listen, great news for More onea Pacific

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Speaker 3: because Arsavia has confirmed today that he's moving to the

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Speaker 3: club from next year and he'll be there all the

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Speaker 3: way through to twenty twenty seven. He's going to be

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Speaker 3: rejoining his brother Julian, who signed with More Onana pacifica

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00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: late last year. Sir Michael Jones is the chair of

871
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: the club and is with us. Now, hey, Michael, is

872
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: this a game changer?

873
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

874
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 6: For us it is, and I suppose for Pacific Rugby

875
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 6: it's hugely significant. And yeah, I know, we're very excited.

876
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 6: Thank you.

877
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 3: Is do you think that this is going to draw

878
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: other people over?

879
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I suppose the art effect would be you know,

880
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 6: World Rugby Player of the Year last year and still

881
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 6: wife captain and one of the highest profile Pacific athletes

882
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 6: in the world probably and obviously as a as a

883
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 6: rugby player. You know, his mother is huge, so his

884
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 6: influence on the game there's massive. So yeah, we do

885
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 6: think that it's going to have a positive effect in

886
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 6: terms of you know, just not not so much opening up.

887
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 6: You know, I've always said it's a bit of a

888
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 6: wave we're riding and it's it's getting bigger. But you know,

889
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 6: it will have a bit of a tsunamif in many

890
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 6: ways for us, and that would be one way would

891
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 6: hope to you know, see more players be inspired, I

892
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 6: suppose and motivated to consider this pathway.

893
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: Okay, now that you've got the number one signing, you

894
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: can possibly get which is obviously adi who's the next

895
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: one you want? Like if you could look around and

896
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: pick anybody else to join the club, who did they?

897
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 6: I suppose this would be an exception rather than the

898
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 6: norm here that we get getting. We'd always intended to

899
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 6: try and get one really high profile marquee player when

900
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 6: we started this journey four years ago, and so you know,

901
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 6: we're obviously delighted. It's it's just so massive for us,

902
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 6: but you know, we do need to continue to attract

903
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 6: players who are going to pin their colledge to the

904
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 6: building Pacific Rugby. There. I suppose the some more anting

905
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 6: and national teams is very important and that's a big

906
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 6: part of our way. So we will have you know,

907
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 6: one or two like this, but we're always going to

908
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 6: keep our places available primarily for those who are on

909
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 6: that pathway, but it will definitely attract more and there

910
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 6: could be one or two others sort of in a

911
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 6: similar vein of pacifica descent. I suppose who are wanting

912
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 6: to do something similar as Artie has to suppose as

913
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 6: the heritage, and I suppose this is that bladders thick

914
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 6: as the moatar.

915
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well good luck, I hope you get I hope

916
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: you get heaps more. Actually after Ardie Salvia came over

917
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: that Sir Michael Jones, ONEFIC pacifica chair. Hither I work

918
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: for an Australian bank. Our goal is that we have

919
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: no more than six layers between frontline staff and the CEO.

920
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: So no wonder they make a profit. I mean even

921
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: six is a lot like six. What if we got

922
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: here me and then then then and so between the

923
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: CEO do I count? I don't count myself at so

924
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: between the CEOs, between the CEO and me on frontline,

925
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: aren't I? So there is two there are two managers.

926
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: That's it. So that I mean that's streamlined right. Fourteen

927
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 3: at out New Zealand, crazy times, No wonder they can't

928
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: get anything done, so wonder they even managed to save

929
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: our lives.

930
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 10: Five twenty two.

931
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in

932
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Hither dup to see

933
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and

934
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: news talk as they'd be.

935
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: Twenty five past five. Just reminder we're going to be

936
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: talking about the warehouse with the Shareholders Association in about

937
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: ten or twelve minutes time. Just about whether they support

938
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: what's going on there with the Sir Stephen Tindall takeover bid.

939
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: We're got to talk about this business, about the proposed

940
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: new rules for infant formula. I reckon, this's got to

941
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: be the craziest thing I've heard this year. And I

942
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 3: don't say that like literally is the craziest thing I've

943
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: heard this year. We'll get you across the details, okay.

944
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: On Thursday, ministers from Australia and New Zealand will meet

945
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: about whether they are going to implement these new rules.

946
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: The rules are coming from a body called the Food

947
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: Standards Australia New Zealand. It's basically responsible for setting rules

948
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: around food for both US and the Aussies. The proposal

949
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: the rules are part of a proposal from them to

950
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: essentially white label baby formula, which means to take all

951
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: the nice pictures and the information of the nutritional information

952
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: off the can and basically just give you standard packaging

953
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: across all the different products, so that essentially baby formula

954
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: is less appealing to you. Because they don't want you

955
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: to idealize baby formula anymore. They want mums to see

956
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: baby formula as kind of like a second a second

957
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: rate option and instead you go for the breastfeeding. It

958
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: gets crazier than that. They also, if you read the

959
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: proposal in depth, sound like they want to take some

960
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: types of baby formula out of the supermarket. And it's

961
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: not the usual stuff. It's not like the kind of

962
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 3: the basic every infant can have this baby formula baby formula.

963
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: It's for special stuff for kids with special dietary requirements,

964
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: like the lactose free stuff that would not be able

965
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: to be bought in your countdown anymore. You would have

966
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: to go to a dietitian or a doctor or a pharmacy.

967
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: How crazy is that? I mean, the stuff that we're

968
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: talking about is baby formula, it's not nicotine. It feels

969
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: to me like we're forgotten that baby formula is actually

970
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: a miracle. Babies used to die all the time between

971
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 3: before baby formula was invented because lots of mums actually

972
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: can't breastfeed historically and today lots of mums really struggle

973
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: with it. So back in the day, what would happen

974
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: is unless you are wealthy enough to pay for a

975
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: wet nurse or you know someone kind in your life

976
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: with lots of breast milk, would share some of the

977
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: breast milk to save your baby. Your baby would die.

978
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen anymore because now we've got formula. But

979
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: now we've got all Nazi on the breasts best thing,

980
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: and now we're demonizing formula. These people need to get

981
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: an absolute grip on this. You take that stuff out

982
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: of supermarkets, kids will suffer, right, They will either have

983
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: to ingest formula that makes them sick, or they'll be

984
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: given something else because it's not as good. And we

985
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: will as a country lose huge amounts of money from

986
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: our baby formula industry, which by the way, is massive.

987
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 3: Denon is already threatening to leave.

988
00:48:59,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 7: Now.

989
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: I get best as breast. I get that, and that's

990
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: the ideal, but this is taking it, frankly, way too far.

991
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: Heather duplessy Ellen either have you.

992
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: Seen the crappy New World at a giveaway at New World?

993
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're not going to worry if the store

994
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: ran out of these. Kate gave me their heads up,

995
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: so I went to have a look. Kate will be

996
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: disappointed in me. I'm all about the food containers. So

997
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: they are giving away five stylish and stackable kee We

998
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: kitchen aid glass containers. You can get in with a

999
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: little vacuum pump, you know, the little and then it

1000
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 3: takes all the air out and then it compacts itself.

1001
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 3: Get one of those as well. You've got all the sizes,

1002
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: from a dainty little dip container to a spacious two

1003
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: point four liter oven dish. I'm gonna be collecting my

1004
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: little twenty dollars stickers. Here's my warning to your new world.

1005
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: Don't run out. So we've been here before, and this

1006
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: is not our first rodeo. You run out of this

1007
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: like you ran out of the knives and the smeg stuff,

1008
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be very angry with you. I want all

1009
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: five of them, thanks very much. Headlines next.

1010
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: For Heather duplessy Ellen jutting through the noise to get

1011
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: the facts. It's hither Duperice Allen drive with one New

1012
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: Zealand let's get connected and you talk, as said, be.

1013
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: Fly maybe before the first time.

1014
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: Babs your blood, Heather. If if there's what condescending rubbishry

1015
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: the baby formula, I'm so sick of the breast is best.

1016
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: Nazis who make mums who already question absolutely everything they do,

1017
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: feel even worse if they choose not to simply cannot breastfeed.

1018
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: Training your nazis on those who abuse their babies and

1019
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: they leave the rest of us alone. Absolutely well, said Jennifer.

1020
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: Thank you. Gavin has also counted with you know what's

1021
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: better than breast is best? Fed is best? Hey? How

1022
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 3: about that? How about not dead is best because it's

1023
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 3: actually being fed. So there you go. Now we the huddle,

1024
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: by the way, are two women, So gird your loins.

1025
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: Gird your loins because it's gonna be three women having

1026
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 3: a crack at these guys. They're gonna, I don't think

1027
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: if Sands whatever they called Food Safety Australia and New

1028
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: Zealand is going to want to live after we've had

1029
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: to go with them, and just a tick. Also, Nikola

1030
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: Willis is going to be with us after six o'clock now.

1031
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: Ki Wei Rail has just released a report showing that

1032
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: apparently the Inter Island Islander Fairies absolutely fine. Did you

1033
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 3: know that they can run for another five years? Problem

1034
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: is this is an international maritime assessor that's done this reputable.

1035
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 3: Problem is the systems. Multiple systems on the Fairies are

1036
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: close to obsolescent, including one ship's bridge radar. But do

1037
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: not worry because they are operationally safe. They just cost

1038
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: a little bit more and a little bit more difficult

1039
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: to repair. So twenty twenty nine we've got until those

1040
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: things he's run out. I don't know how you feel

1041
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 3: about that, but I do not feel good. We'll talk

1042
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: to her when she's with us after six. Right now,

1043
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: it's twenty two away from together.

1044
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Do for cels see fascinating.

1045
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: News about the warehouse today? Sir Stephen Tindall wants to

1046
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: buy it back with help from a private equity firm.

1047
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: As a result, the company issued and do not sell

1048
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: your shares notice to shareholders. Oliver Amanda is the chief

1049
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: executive of the Shareholders Association and with us, Hey.

1050
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: Oliver, do you want to have that?

1051
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: What do you reckonsume Stephen's motivation is? Is it the

1052
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: poor share price?

1053
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 23: I certainly believe that that's part of it, and certainly

1054
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 23: the fact that the share price increased today. It certainly

1055
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 23: dedicates to the market thinks to some sort of probability

1056
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 23: of either a transaction occurring or that the activism biss

1057
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 23: Steven will encourage long term better performance.

1058
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: What do you make of the do not sell your

1059
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 3: shares notice?

1060
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 23: Well, to be honest, We don't really know much more

1061
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 23: than what has been announced. It is an unusual notice.

1062
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 23: I don't remember seeing one for a long time, but

1063
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 23: under disclosure rules the company no choice but to announce it.

1064
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 23: That had an approach following the article in The Australian.

1065
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 23: But that approach really we don't know what it is.

1066
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 23: It's not a classic non binding indicative offer, which is

1067
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 23: someone kicking the tires. It certainly isn't a scheme of arrangement.

1068
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 23: It's just simply an approach, So we don't really know

1069
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 23: what that means.

1070
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: What do you make of the warehouse it sow. I've

1071
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: got a lot of text from people who think it's

1072
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 3: a bit cruddy and it's being undermined by TMU. Looks

1073
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: to me though, like the fundamentals of the business the

1074
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: sound it's just badly run.

1075
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 23: It certainly has a really good footprint across New Zealand

1076
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 23: and that would and plus a couple are really good

1077
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 23: brands in the Warehouse and Noel Leming. So I've madson

1078
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 23: Hart decisions this year in terms of looking at the

1079
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 23: market dot com in terms of Torpedo seven, I mean

1080
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 23: this all the activity that's occurred at the Warehouse this year.

1081
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 23: It really does show the signs of a ongoing business transformation.

1082
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 23: And more recently, of course you've seen them cut the

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Speaker 23: leadership positions in their leadership teams.

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Speaker 1: So the.

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Speaker 23: Shareholders would hope that this will a good business there.

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Speaker 23: It certainly has some really key sources of value, such

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Speaker 23: a big part of the New Zealand retail landscape.

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Speaker 24: It is true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oliver, thank you. Was always really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: It's Oliver Amanda, the chief executive of the Shareholders Association.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional marketing

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Speaker 2: for every property on the.

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Speaker 3: Huddle with me this evening we got Tris Sharson of

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Speaker 3: Shearson Willis pr and Joseph Gani, the CEO of Child Fund.

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Speaker 3: Hello you too. Hello Biden has gone before we carry on.

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Speaker 3: There is a bit of a competition here because this

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Speaker 3: is what you said on the show exactly a week ago.

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Speaker 21: Biden will have to step down. I don't think he's

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Speaker 21: it's tenable now for him. He might get a couple

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Speaker 21: of weeks, but then he will have to go.

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Speaker 3: And this was you, Josie.

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Speaker 25: I actually think Biden could be gone by the end

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Speaker 25: of this week.

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Speaker 3: And Josie wins.

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Speaker 26: Congratulations rash I went and look, I just think you

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Speaker 26: could see the signs of it. There's no way you

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Speaker 26: can hang on with that kind of pressure. So I

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Speaker 26: actually I expected it this weekend. I thought it had

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Speaker 26: to be this. It was absolutely the last minute and

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Speaker 26: amazing like it didn't leak because he didn't tell anybody.

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Speaker 26: And I can understand that you can't tell anybody. It

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Speaker 26: would definitely have leaked. But right I'm on the list

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Speaker 26: for the Republicans and the Democrats to get all their

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Speaker 26: email bluff, and right up until Sunday morning, I was

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Speaker 26: getting stuff going. Biden's in it for the long term.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is what you say until you change

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Speaker 3: your mind. Right, I'm sure you say the other thing.

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Speaker 26: But it's interesting. Staff now have been told that they

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Speaker 26: now work for the Kamala Harris Harris campaign. All that money,

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Speaker 26: about ninety six million dollars worth of it, Yeah, black

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Speaker 26: cash goes straight to Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, I don't want you to

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Speaker 3: feel bad, Trish, because I mean it was just a

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Speaker 3: tight win, wasn't it. You called it as well, you

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Speaker 3: just didn't call the date. That's very kind. I love it.

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Speaker 3: How everyone's a winner on your show. Yeah, let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: they're not. There are many who are not winners on

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Speaker 3: this show. And reluctantly come on, hey, it was pretty bratty,

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Speaker 3: don't you think trash of him endorsing Kamala Harris? Well,

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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 21: But also let's take a step back and look at

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Speaker 21: what also probably was the final push because I don't

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Speaker 21: know about you guys, but I was absolutely riveted to

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Speaker 21: the circus that was the final day of the Republican

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Speaker 21: National Congress. Yeah, you know, I loved it was There

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Speaker 21: was such a juxtaposition in the Washington Post put out

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Speaker 21: this headline and it said, and they've just wrapped up

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Speaker 21: an energized, focused convention, where as someone said, this is

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Speaker 21: an interesting description of a Republican gathering that featured a

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Speaker 21: sex worker, Hulk Hogan and a spaced out Trump. I

1141
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Speaker 21: mean that Trump. That Trump's speech was wild. It was

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Speaker 21: the longest presidential speech ever. He within about thirty seconds,

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Speaker 21: blew up everything his speech writers had prepped, all the

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Speaker 21: groundwork that prepped this will be about unity. It was

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Speaker 21: classic Trump. It was rambling, incoherent, vindictive, self serving, and Interestingly,

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Speaker 21: what crystallized in the final hour of that convention was

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Speaker 21: this view that Trump has gone up against Biden with

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Speaker 21: a very marchro campaign, you know, culminating in Hulk Hogan

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Speaker 21: and the head of the US. See those were his

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Speaker 21: big star powers. Well, that now is not going to

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Speaker 21: work against Kamala Harris. Say whatever you like about Harris,

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Speaker 21: but there is now an absolute juxtaposition. And for those

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Speaker 21: voters who were saying, we it's not good enough for

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Speaker 21: the US to have two old white men, they are

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Speaker 21: now potentially going to have Trump and Carmla Harris, who

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Speaker 21: was not an old white man. So it just got

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Speaker 21: a whole lot more interesting.

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Speaker 3: Can she win?

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Speaker 26: Well, you know, I would have said no, and I

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Speaker 26: do think that there has to be a competitive nomination.

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Speaker 3: I would favor that.

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Speaker 26: So what you're seeing in the Democrats, but the polls

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Speaker 26: are showing something slightly different. So I think I'm going

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Speaker 26: to be wrong about that. She does have a pathway

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Speaker 26: to victory. So the Democrats are now split between those Obama,

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Speaker 26: Nancy Pelosi, and so on who think that this should

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Speaker 26: be a competitive memoration. And I think that would work

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Speaker 26: better for her because a she'd have a mandate, you know,

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Speaker 26: be she would distance herself from the Biden Yes campaign,

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Speaker 26: and she'd be able to talk for herself. And that's

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Speaker 26: been her problem all along. I thing that when she

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Speaker 26: came into the presidential election in twenty twenty, she came

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Speaker 26: in as a tough on law, tough on crime, law

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Speaker 26: and order Democrat. That was a moment in the Democrats'

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Speaker 26: history where they thought, no, we want an identity politics

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Speaker 26: black lives matter candidate. Talk about your identity, don't talk

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Speaker 26: about your policy. Job as a prosecutor in San Francisco, California,

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Speaker 26: where she had a real record for being tough on crime,

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Speaker 26: and I think that's why people felt like she sounded

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Speaker 26: inauthentic in that twenty twenty campaign, and they've never quite

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Speaker 26: got over that, the feeling that she's saying what she

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Speaker 26: thinks the Democratic base want to hear. So now she's

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Speaker 26: got a chance, I think if she had a competitive

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Speaker 26: process to really pitch her own voice, go back to

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Speaker 26: who she really is, which is a tough on crime,

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Speaker 26: blue collar Democrat. So, you know, I think it's just

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Speaker 26: going to be a coronation, but she's got to find

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Speaker 26: her own voice.

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Speaker 3: Tristia, you still shop at the warehouse. I don't. I

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Speaker 3: haven't for years.

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Speaker 21: But I have to admit, is.

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Speaker 3: This because your kids are too old now? Exactly exactly

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Speaker 3: so as a family.

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Speaker 21: In the past, when I would have gone to the warehouse,

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Speaker 21: it would have been, like you, a last minute panic

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Speaker 21: for party bands, party birthday party bags or things. I

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Speaker 21: don't have kids now, and actually I think when it

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Speaker 21: comes to the warehouse, we're just it's part of the

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Speaker 21: shift in our patterns. Think about when Steven Tindall started

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Speaker 21: the Waehouse. You couldn't buy cheap stuff crap in New

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Speaker 21: Zealand just there was nowhere so there you can buy

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Speaker 21: is cheap Crapp's. So it was really new and interesting.

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Speaker 21: But now if I want a spade, I go to Bunnings.

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Speaker 21: If I want you know, if I want other things,

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Speaker 21: I'll go to.

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Speaker 3: If you need a football or a tent.

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Speaker 26: I bought intent at the warehouse Nowaday for my young

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Speaker 26: five year old nephew and it cost me forty dollars.

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Speaker 26: I think the problem for the warehouse is that they

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Speaker 26: just haven't innovated or updated in twenty years. It's a

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Speaker 26: bit stale, looks the same as it's looked for twenty years,

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Speaker 26: whereas k mark it's just a cooler, right, which is

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Speaker 26: eating their lunch. It's a bit cooler.

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Speaker 3: There's more kind of weird warehouse has got which cam

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Speaker 3: out doesn't have as Camart is only in the big

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Speaker 3: cities and the warehouse is still every rangel areas right.

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Speaker 3: So if you need a headband on a Sunday night

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Speaker 3: because you need.

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Speaker 26: To get about your headbands, Heather for five dollars.

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Speaker 3: It was a bargain that came out.

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Speaker 21: Is also online. It came out, is awesome online. Can't

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Speaker 21: wait for ten days for the block? Well not you

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Speaker 21: if you're not organized, but if you want the stuff

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Speaker 21: from kmart you can. And hey, as a mum, this

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Speaker 21: is no judgment. I have I have been racing late

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Speaker 21: to parties without anything.

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Speaker 3: But but have you bought.

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Speaker 26: The cheap one dollar glasses at the warehouse even after

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Speaker 26: your kids have left home? Hey, I'm the mum who

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Speaker 26: won trash is on a birthday candle in a McDonald's

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Speaker 26: you know, snow freeze and and called that a birthday cake.

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Speaker 21: So there is no judgment.

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Speaker 3: This is a great impact. I'm gonna remember that, all right, guys,

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Speaker 3: we'll rip the food people a new one on the

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Speaker 3: Infant Formula. Next, it's thirteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty unparalleled

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Speaker 3: Back on the Huddle with Trisherson and Joseph begany all right, Trish,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of the infant formula rules?

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Speaker 21: I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Here's the thing, right here,

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Speaker 21: here's a scenario. You're a young mum. It's ten o'clock

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Speaker 21: at night, baby is absolutely losing its shit and you

1243
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Speaker 21: need to whip down to the supermarket and get your formula.

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01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 21: Oh you can't do that now because you'll have to

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Speaker 21: go to a pharmacy or a nightition.

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Speaker 3: Please no.

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Speaker 21: And one of the best pieces of vice my mother

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Speaker 21: ever gave me when I had my first baby. I

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Speaker 21: rang her after about week ten and said, Mom, how

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Speaker 21: long does this go on?

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Speaker 3: And she said, what do you mean the baby?

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Speaker 21: I said no, I said getting up in the night,

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Speaker 21: and she said, well, he's a big boy. Good farming advice,

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Speaker 21: he's a big boy. After twelve weeks, no one needs

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Speaker 21: to get up in the night. You do the ten

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Speaker 21: o'clock feed with a big bottle of formula because by

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Speaker 21: that stage, as you know, mum's lost the you know,

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Speaker 21: lost the volume and productivity on the old milk. Give

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Speaker 21: it the formula. Sleep through the night.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, And I had my first child was really refluxy,

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Speaker 26: trouble breastfeeding. We tried everything, We had all sorts of

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Speaker 26: sort of training and advice and so on, and she

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Speaker 26: was losing weight and I.

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Speaker 3: Was losing my mind.

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Speaker 26: And you go, so, how is it that these people

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Speaker 26: think they know better than mums about what's best for

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Speaker 26: the baby and what's best for them. A psychotic mother

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Speaker 26: unable to feed her baby is not going to be

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Speaker 26: good for the baby.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 26: I mean, I work in developments.

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Speaker 3: She could take formula, but not absolutely.

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Speaker 26: She could only take formula with gaviscon to thicken it up.

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Speaker 26: Otherwise she would have lost weight, she would have got sick.

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Speaker 26: I mean, the idea that there's just one idea. Of course,

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Speaker 26: breast milk is best, although the evidence around for how

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Speaker 26: long is very mixed. And they're trying to say, oh,

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Speaker 26: you know, breastfeed for two years or six months or whatever,

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Speaker 26: and actually the evidence, as I understand it, only says up.

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Speaker 3: To six weeks.

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Speaker 26: Definitely, those first few weeks if you can get that

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Speaker 26: first milk into baby.

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Speaker 4: Great.

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Speaker 26: And you know, like I work in developing countries where

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Speaker 26: the water might be really contaminated and then formula is

1286
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Speaker 26: not going to be good for your baby. That's not

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Speaker 26: formula's fault, that's the water's fault. Yes, and so they go,

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Speaker 26: you know, we go breastfeed, breastfeed, But the point is

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Speaker 26: there's not one size fits all. For God's sake, you

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Speaker 26: call them breast nuts. Is we do overuse the word

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Speaker 26: Nazi on things like bad grammar and breast feeding.

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Speaker 3: But you know, there we go.

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Speaker 26: They are breast fundamentalists, will not be telling us.

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Speaker 3: What to do.

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Speaker 21: Everybody needs a mum, a galo in their life. It

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Speaker 21: might not be your mum, but a mum that an

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Speaker 21: older person who you can talk to and get that

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Speaker 21: kind of practical advice.

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Speaker 3: Do these dicks.

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Speaker 21: Out of a job, Yes, do the dicks out of

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Speaker 21: the dicks out of a job. That's what young mum's need.

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Speaker 21: They need support and they need to know whatever way

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Speaker 21: you can get through with you and your baby happy

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Speaker 21: and healthy, that is the best way for you.

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Speaker 3: Maybe is alive. When that baby is twenty five years old,

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Speaker 3: he's not going to be like oh, jeers, I look

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Speaker 3: up the how difficient I am because you didn't give

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Speaker 3: me My.

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Speaker 26: Kids are and they're perfectly fine, and we are I was.

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Speaker 26: I was formula fed too, I know. Look, I would

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Speaker 26: love to have breastfed my kids a bit longer, but that,

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Speaker 26: you know, especially.

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Speaker 3: My first baby.

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Speaker 26: But look, we're between us, we've got six breasts. We're

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Speaker 26: a good focus group. This is absolute Pollets stop telling

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Speaker 26: us what to do to right.

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Speaker 3: I love it all right, guys, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Really stop thinking about the boobs right now. Tricius and

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Speaker 3: Joe Spagani are huddle this evening on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy allan drive with One New Zealand One Giant

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Speaker 2: Leap for Business News Talk a z BE.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about our vida. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you've caught up on the news on our vida, but

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Speaker 3: this is a takeover story. Another takeover story in the

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Speaker 3: news today. Shane Soley from Harbor Asset Management will be

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Speaker 3: with us around about twenty pass Oh, let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: what am I talking about? Twenty five past six? Once

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01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 3: I've got myself together and he'll talk us through all

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Speaker 3: of that stuff and actually on the infant formula. We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Andrew Hoggard, the Food Minister, about

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Speaker 3: this after half past six, because this is one of

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Speaker 3: the things to understand is that Thursday is something of

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Speaker 3: a d day on this because the Food Minister from

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Speaker 3: New Zealand meets the Food Minister Z sounds like a

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Speaker 3: collection of them on both sides of the Tasman and

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Speaker 3: the Aussies and the Kiwis get together and decide whether

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Speaker 3: we're going to implement these rules. So Andrew is our

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Speaker 3: last line of defense on this. This man needs to

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Speaker 3: hold the line and tell them that this is absolutely nuts. Otherwise,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've spent a lot of time on the

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Speaker 3: huddle just talking about, you know, how crazy this is

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Speaker 3: to impose this kind of stuff on women. But we

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Speaker 3: have a massive industry, massive food infant formula industry in

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Speaker 3: the country that could be really, really badly affected by this.

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Speaker 3: So we have a chat to have after half past six. Now, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a lot of texts from mums coming in. My wife's

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Speaker 3: milk did not come in, and the baby cry for

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Speaker 3: twelve hours until our midlife went midwife went absolutely nuts

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Speaker 3: to the nurse to give the baby some formula. The

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Speaker 3: baby was dehydrated and exhausted, straight to sleep after the formula. Hither,

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Speaker 3: I had four babies under six pounds, all needed to

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Speaker 3: be fed every three hours until they gained weight. My

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Speaker 3: husband and I shared the feeds with a bottle of

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Speaker 3: breast and milk, a mix of breast and bottle. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you know this, but if you're in

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Speaker 3: the hospital, apparently the nurses are not allowed to offer

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Speaker 3: you formula until you ask for it, So your baby

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Speaker 3: could be screaming. This is apparently the word baby could

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Speaker 3: be screaming, going absolutely ballistic because your milk hasn't come in.

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Speaker 3: They're not allowed to offer it. Do you have to

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Speaker 3: ask for it? And how crazy is that? Now here's a tip,

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Speaker 3: go and check if you did any bank transfers or

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Speaker 3: anything like that. When you know, when we had the

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Speaker 3: giant y two the y two K situation over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: you might have accidentally sent a lot of money out

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Speaker 3: of your bank. Is this what I did?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I was trying to pay guess what a parking fine?

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Speaker 6: Or did I?

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Speaker 3: And so I tried to pay the parking fine from

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Speaker 3: my bank at NAR can't do it, okay, So I

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Speaker 3: left it a few hours. Try again, NAR, I can't

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Speaker 3: do it. Left it. I did it about six times.

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Speaker 3: Every time it said it didn't work except for the

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Speaker 3: last time. So I was like, I finally one went through,

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Speaker 3: so I went to double check. Three went through. I

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Speaker 3: was told every time I wasn't going through it. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: I called the bank today and I was like, hey, guys, listen,

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Speaker 3: what are you going to do about it? They were like,

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Speaker 3: can you call the parking company get your money back?

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's not going to happen, is it. Though, No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. Give me my money back.

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Speaker 3: So they reimbursed me for two of them. So this

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Speaker 3: is go and do this if you've accidentally lost money,

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Speaker 3: like I was devastated. Devastated. It was sixty four dollars

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Speaker 3: in total. Got it back though, Nikola willis.

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Speaker 24: Next, we have business Insight the business hour.

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Speaker 1: We'd header duplicy Ellen and my Hr on newss B.

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Speaker 16: Evening.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in the next hour, We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Shane Soley about the market impact of Biden pulling

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Speaker 3: out of the race. Food Minister Andrew Hoggart and whether

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Speaker 3: he's going to say a hard no to the baby

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Speaker 3: formula rules and Gavin Grays with us out of the

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Speaker 3: UK of course right now at seven pass six, and

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis is the Finance Minister. Hei Nicola, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 3: are you happy for those fairies to keep running for

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Speaker 3: another five years?

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Speaker 25: Well? As you will have seen Embie Rawl have today

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Speaker 25: published their expert advice that I got from the world

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Speaker 25: experts in boats, and they say that those boats are

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Speaker 25: actually in pretty good condition. They're doing better than you

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Speaker 25: would expect at this point, and they say with good

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Speaker 25: maintenance and good operation they can operate for several more years.

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Speaker 25: My focus is on making sure that they do maintain

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Speaker 25: them really well and that we do have replacements out

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Speaker 25: and I'm confident we will.

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Speaker 3: It's not very and I know they say they're operationally safe,

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Speaker 3: but it's not very reassuring to hear they're close to

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Speaker 3: opso lessoned parts of them and difficult to repair.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 25: I think all of us have had that experience with

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Speaker 25: something before. And Kiwi Rowl's responsibility is to make sure

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Speaker 25: every time those fairies go on the water with passengers

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Speaker 25: in them that they are one hundred percent confident they

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Speaker 25: are safe.

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Speaker 3: It isn't that the problem? Well, isn't that the problem,

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Speaker 3: because what we've been shown time and time again is

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Speaker 3: that they're difficult to repair, and then you find out

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Speaker 3: Kiwi Rail has badly repaired them using tape they shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have used, and the things fallen apart.

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Speaker 25: Well, as ministers, we have made it crystal clear that

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Speaker 25: our expectation is that Kiwi Row does everything possible. That

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Speaker 25: includes what it spends on maintenance, that includes the decisions

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Speaker 25: it takes to ensure that those ships are safe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we ken dictation receipt replacements.

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Speaker 25: That they will well, we have been given confidence that

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Speaker 25: we can get replacements here well ahead of that twenty

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Speaker 25: twenty nine date.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how well ahead, Well.

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Speaker 25: We'll have announcements to make about that in due course.

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Speaker 25: We're just working through those options and we will have

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Speaker 25: more say about it. How soon, Ah, soon enough, we

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Speaker 25: will when we know that there is a lot of

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Speaker 25: interest in this.

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Speaker 3: The last time I spoke to you, which was like

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Speaker 3: maybe two or three weeks ago, you said that it

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Speaker 3: could potentially be in the next three months.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't changed well.

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Speaker 25: Look, the last government fell into a terrible mistake, which

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Speaker 25: was it made a quick decision which was the wrong decision,

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Speaker 25: and we want to be in a position as a

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Speaker 25: government where we make a sensible decision that will pay

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Speaker 25: off the New Zealanders over the long term.

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Speaker 3: Listener, we're going to support the Aussies when we get

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Speaker 3: the Food ministers get together on Thursday on the infant

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Speaker 3: formula thing.

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Speaker 25: There is no way that we can support a provision

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Speaker 25: which would wipe potentially two billion dollars of export revenue.

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Speaker 25: So we will not be supporting that regulation. Our exporters

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Speaker 25: are too important and we will be seeking a review

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Speaker 25: of those rules when Food ministers meet in Adelaide this week.

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Speaker 3: How keen are the Aussies on it?

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Speaker 25: Well, look, my understanding is the better of a mind

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Speaker 25: to support it, but they have a much smaller infant

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Speaker 25: formula industry than we do. For us, this is a

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Speaker 25: multi billion dollar issue for them. There's potentially a few

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Speaker 25: hundred million dollars at stake, and ultimately this comes down

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Speaker 25: to are we competitives with Europeans and others who produce

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Speaker 25: the formula and we're not prepared as misters to put

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Speaker 25: our industry in a position where they're facing much harder

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Speaker 25: rules than our competitors internationally are. That's ridiculous. That's cutting

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Speaker 25: off our nose despite our face, and we will be

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Speaker 25: setting a review.

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Speaker 3: Nikola, what's your take as a mum on what is

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Speaker 3: going on here with the kind of demonizing of infant

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Speaker 3: formula so that people go to breastfeeding.

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Speaker 25: My take on a mum is, even as a mum,

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Speaker 25: even with the best will in the world, there will

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Speaker 25: always be some of us who for some reason can't

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Speaker 25: breastfeed at a particular point, or who choose not to.

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Speaker 25: That is life, that is reality. I was really fortunate

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Speaker 25: I was able to breastfeed all of my children. But boy,

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Speaker 25: oh boy, did I need infant formula to supplement?

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Speaker 26: Yes?

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Speaker 25: I did so. It does not make me carerible. What

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Speaker 25: I want to know is that the infant formula I'm

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Speaker 25: giving my baby is safe. It's actually New Zealand infant

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Speaker 25: formula providers creates safe infant formula and that's what at stakes.

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Speaker 25: And we shouldn't get so overboard that we demonize infant

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Speaker 25: formula or the mothers and families who use it too.

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Speaker 3: Right now, listen, how many more of these court cases

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Speaker 3: from the unions. Are you expecting over public service dismissals?

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Speaker 25: Well, the advice that I've had is that this will

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Speaker 25: not affect the vast majority of public sector restructures because

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Speaker 25: this clause is only found in a few contracts, and

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Speaker 25: I'm confident that the Ministry of Education and other affected

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Speaker 25: agencies will be able to continue with your restructure the

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Speaker 25: legal obligations have been met.

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Speaker 3: How many other affected agencies are there?

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Speaker 25: Well, I've been advised that the Public Service Commission is

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Speaker 25: looking at that, but it's less than half a dozen

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Speaker 25: potential contracts which are at states, because of course one

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Speaker 25: agency might have several contracts and only some of those

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Speaker 25: will contain this particular clause.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and do we know which agencies?

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Speaker 25: Yes, I have had advice about that, and of course,

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Speaker 25: in each instance there's still the opportunity for those agencies

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Speaker 25: to reflect on the findings of the employment Authority and

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Speaker 25: make sure they take those findings into account as they

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Speaker 25: conduct their restructuring processes. It's our expectation that all employers

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Speaker 25: follow the law, and that includes government employers.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us which agencies I.

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Speaker 25: Understand that the Ministry for Social Development and all Ranger

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Speaker 25: Tamariki are among them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you guys, I just saw it comes through

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Speaker 3: about an hour ago. You guys are expected to apologize,

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Speaker 3: are you after the release of that Royal Commission of

1512
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 3: Inquiry into State Care?

1513
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 25: Look that reports will be released on Wednesday. That will

1514
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 25: be a very important day. I had been some time

1515
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 25: over the weekend reading portions of their purporter.

1516
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 23: It's more than.

1517
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 25: Three thousand pages in total. Its findings are extremely significant.

1518
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 25: The stories it tells are really harrowing, and we will

1519
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 25: be taking great care as a government on Wednesday and

1520
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 25: in the weeks and months following to respond to it appropriately.

1521
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 3: So are you apologizing on Wednesday or sometime thereafter?

1522
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 25: We want to make sure that new crown apology is

1523
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 25: offered when all affected survivors are able to be there.

1524
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 25: We want to make sure that it's done an appropriate

1525
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 25: way in consultation with those survivors. So on Wednesday we

1526
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 25: will offer our response. It's a very significant day, but

1527
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 25: it would not be the setting for the fall apology.

1528
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 3: Niicola, Can we actually stop the stuff from happening?

1529
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: Though?

1530
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 25: We have an obligation to ensure that when people are

1531
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 25: being looked after by the state we have taken steps

1532
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 25: to ensure that they are safe, that there are independent

1533
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 25: oversights to look at their safety, that when they make

1534
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 25: complaints they are taken seriously. And I am convinced by

1535
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 25: what I have read that there is much more that

1536
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 25: we can do and should have done in the past.

1537
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 25: And will there still be individual human beings who are

1538
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 25: bad people? Yes, that is a fact. But can we

1539
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 25: make sure our systems are better?

1540
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 3: Yes, Nichola, thank you very much. I really appreciates Nichola

1541
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 3: Willis the finance Minster. Heather, instead of stressing out about

1542
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 3: new world running out of those little container things, just

1543
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: go and buy a year's worth of wine. You'll get

1544
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 3: the set with one shop. That's one way of doing it.

1545
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: A well, I'm not loving the wine anymore, but what

1546
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 3: about a year's worth of beer. I could get a

1547
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 3: year's worth of beer. I could check it in a

1548
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 3: cupboard somewhere and then I can have the whole set.

1549
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 3: You're not stupid, Steve. Thank that you think like a

1550
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 3: woman quarter past.

1551
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy

1552
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: Ellen with the business hours. Thanks to my HR, the

1553
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: HR platform for seme on us Talk SB Yeah, how.

1554
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: Can Nicholas say that Key, we rail need to be

1555
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure that the fairies are safe every

1556
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 3: time they sale? Would she like to make some guarantees

1557
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 3: like this that are ridiculous? So how much you make

1558
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: a fair point? How much makes a fair point? Because

1559
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 3: I mean you would think, right, you would think that

1560
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 3: it is inherently a given that when they fix a fairy,

1561
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 3: which has happened multiple times, that they're like, yep, that's

1562
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 3: one hundred percent safe, Like they're not going to send

1563
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 3: it out when they're like, that's seventy five percent safe

1564
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 3: with good of that, you know, like they're like, no,

1565
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 3: it's pretty safe. And yet time and time and time

1566
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 3: again we find out it's really not safe at all.

1567
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 3: Is it because the tape fell oft, didn't it? Or something?

1568
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 3: Nobody knew that y had to press the button down

1569
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 3: for five seconds? Did they?

1570
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 5: So?

1571
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1572
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of confidence in this particular

1573
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 3: arrangement that we've got to hope those new fairies arrive

1574
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 3: really quickly. Now we have on this show spent quite

1575
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 3: a bit of time quite rightly talking about what's been

1576
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: going on with the gas supply shortage, right. You know

1577
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 3: that we are in something short like around about a

1578
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 3: gas crisis at the moment because the gas supply is

1579
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 3: declining so incredibly. But what we haven't really had, I

1580
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: don't think up to this point is an actual example

1581
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 3: of how it's affecting a major industrial player. And pan

1582
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 3: Pack has spoken to Business Test today about what it's

1583
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: done and given us some numbers about how it's affected them,

1584
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: and it's remarkable. Pan Pack is not actually a massive

1585
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 3: gas user. It describes itself as like a moderate industrial

1586
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: gas user, uses about two hundred and thirty thousand giga

1587
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 3: jeels of gas. Moderate because it also has biomass and

1588
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 3: it also relies on electricity and stuff like that, so

1589
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 3: it's got some other options available to it. But what's

1590
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: happened to them is that they were paying about three

1591
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 3: million bucks a year for their gas supply that has now,

1592
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 3: because of what's happening with the gas supply shortage, that

1593
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: has now jumped up to nine million dollars. That is

1594
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 3: a lot of money, but to go from three to

1595
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 3: nine for any business is enormous. They're dealing with that.

1596
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 3: But it's even worse than that is that they appear

1597
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 3: not to be able to get a long term contract.

1598
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 3: It sounds like at the end of last year, Vector,

1599
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 3: who is their main gas supplier, stopped offering long term contracts,

1600
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 3: so they had they have no sure they have no

1601
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 3: surety of supply going into the future. So in December

1602
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,959
Speaker 3: Victor said no more long term gas supply and then contracts.

1603
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 3: And then on the first of July and first of

1604
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 3: this month in Vector just pulled out altogether. What remaining

1605
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 3: supply contracts they had, they sold it onto Nova Energy

1606
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 3: and they pulled out. So what pan Pac is now

1607
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 3: having to do is basically buy gas itself. So it's

1608
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: which takes time and which takes money. They've had to

1609
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 3: employ an agent. The agent's having to buy gas on

1610
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 3: the spot market, and the problem with that, of course,

1611
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 3: is that it's scarce, so they can only get this

1612
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 3: agent can only get them short term contracts. And these

1613
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 3: short term contracts mean that basically pan Pac doesn't know

1614
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 3: from week to week whether it's going to have like

1615
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 3: get a load of this any gas at all to

1616
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: be able to rely on. And what's more, they don't

1617
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: know what the price is going to be. They say, right,

1618
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 3: And the point that they make is like this is

1619
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 3: obviously unsustainable. You cannot run a business like this where

1620
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 3: one of the major things that you're relying on you

1621
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 3: don't know a where if you're going to even have it,

1622
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 3: or whether you're going to get extorted for it, like

1623
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 3: what the price is going to be. The point that

1624
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 3: they make is that this is just the start of

1625
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 3: the problem, right they're calling it a crisis. They say,

1626
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 3: this is just warming up at the moment. So if

1627
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 3: we're just warming up and their price has gone up

1628
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 3: by three times and they don't know whether they're going

1629
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 3: to have gas from week to week, what's it going

1630
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: to be like when we get into full blown crisis mode?

1631
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 3: That is crazy. You're not worth thinking about. So anyway,

1632
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what the solution is. One of the

1633
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 3: solutions I saw mooted actually was to start importing some LPG,

1634
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 3: which we may actually have to do, and I think

1635
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 3: you can get it from Australia, so it's not that

1636
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 3: far away. But we're going to have to find a

1637
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 3: solution to this because you can't. You can't run out

1638
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 3: of gas in New Zealand, can you? How mental is that?

1639
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 3: Shane Solely next six to twenty one.

1640
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1641
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: It's heather due for Sea Ellen with the business hours

1642
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on

1643
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: us TALKSB six.

1644
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 3: Twenty four with me right now is Shane Solely of

1645
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 3: Harbor Asset Management, Hay Shane Hi Heaver. Is Sir Steven

1646
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 3: Tindall the answer to the warehouse problems.

1647
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 10: Well, he's certainly been a tough time for the warehouse

1648
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 10: and there's been a few changes there. But yes, the

1649
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 10: Stephen and the Tindal Foundation, combined with Adamanti Capital Partner's

1650
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 10: made a have made proposed takeover for the business. Companies

1651
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 10: are saying just a litter bit careful, it's not a

1652
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 10: not time to sell you. Yes, it's yet it's not

1653
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 10: a full approach, it's not quite a full offer. But

1654
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 10: certainly with mister Tindall and the Tindal Foundation controlling forty

1655
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 10: nine percent of the warehouse, they are quite a long

1656
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 10: way there already. So stop praising it up twenty five

1657
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 10: percent on the day to a dollar forty five so

1658
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 10: big burst.

1659
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 3: What do you reckon his motivation is? Is he just

1660
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 3: getting tired of how poorly his own shares are performing?

1661
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, I think he's probably observing that, you know,

1662
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 10: the market is being a little bit unkind to the

1663
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 10: longer term prospects for the business. But it probably needs

1664
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 10: a bit of work, a bit of panel beating. It's

1665
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 10: not a great term fixing reshaping that he can probably

1666
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 10: do better with total control.

1667
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 3: What do you make, Shane of the r VEDA offer.

1668
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, So another another bid, today's stone Peak. It's a

1669
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 10: US infrastructure real estate group. The bid one point two

1670
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 10: billion dollars for to take over all of our DADA.

1671
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 10: That's a dollars seventy bid, sixty five percent premium to

1672
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 10: where it was on Friday. It's pretty chunky look, and

1673
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 10: that's all about taking advantage of the fact that the

1674
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 10: market has been pretty harsh on anything residential related. Anythink

1675
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 10: that's interest rates into the and certainly the RDDA team

1676
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 10: have been doing a good job in tough conditions and

1677
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 10: there's just a big gap there. And soon it was

1678
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 10: seen the board, the IRV to board. So yes, we've

1679
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 10: opened to this proposal. It will still to get to here.

1680
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 10: They've got to get through overseas investment acts, through the

1681
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 10: Overseas Investment Office. But certainly recent presidents of use they

1682
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 10: should be able to get there again. The stop place

1683
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 10: up fifty six percent to a dollar sixty one to day. Yeah,

1684
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 10: there's a big moose.

1685
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 3: I mean, Avida's amongst the retirement village stocks that are

1686
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 3: doing a little bit tough obvious reasons at the moment.

1687
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 3: When do you think it twos around for them?

1688
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1689
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 10: I think this is the piece that as investors we're

1690
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 10: all waiting for a tune and particularly the ability for

1691
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 10: people to sell their homes to move and lots of

1692
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 10: demand from senior older New Zealanders wanting to move into villages,

1693
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 10: but of course most still have their money wrapped up

1694
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 10: in their home. If you can't see your home, it

1695
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 10: really slows things down. So that's the key. And of

1696
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 10: course the other week we saw the Reserve Bank and

1697
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 10: New Zealand show the first inclining they're going to look

1698
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 10: at cutting rates with the Mounsie Policy Review, where they

1699
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 10: talked that we think we're there. So we've already seen

1700
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 10: today another round of mortgage rate cuts, this time from

1701
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 10: the ASP. So we've seen several banks in the last

1702
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 10: week or so come up with reasonable cuts to morghigches

1703
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 10: that might be enough just to underpin the residential market

1704
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 10: get it back, we're here again, which will help this

1705
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 10: retirement h Q sector.

1706
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 3: You're too right, Hey, So did Joe Biden stepping aside

1707
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: have any impact on the dollar in the markets?

1708
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, we've seen a little bit of avlatility out there. Actually,

1709
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 10: this is probably the key change that in this potential

1710
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 10: recovery of Democrat Poland. It just throws a bit of

1711
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 10: a spanner in the works. The market had moved to Hey,

1712
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 10: the Republicans are going to win. All the Trump trades

1713
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 10: are on things that are benefiting from Trump Republican policies,

1714
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 10: such the banks, small cat companies, energy. They've had a

1715
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 10: good rally. Certainly in the last twenty four hours we've

1716
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 10: seen potentially some of that swing. And yeah, the US

1717
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 10: dollar has been one part of it. We'll see the night.

1718
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 10: What happens in the US is the market. So just

1719
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 10: a little bit of a change in tone. There's got

1720
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 10: a long way to go though, Heather, and you never

1721
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 10: want to doubt the potential for a Trump Republican grouping,

1722
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 10: given how well they're Poland.

1723
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 3: I would agree with you on that. Hey, Shane, thank

1724
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 3: you as always appreciated. We'll talk to you next week.

1725
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 3: Is Shange solely of harbor asset management. Heither, do not

1726
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 3: buy yourself a year's worth of beer. It expires after

1727
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 3: nine months, so by the end of the year's scantastic ratspurs.

1728
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 3: I did not know that, And immediately after I said it, Laura,

1729
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 3: of the German producer who over achieves and of course

1730
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 3: being German drink's beer, said to me, no, mate, they

1731
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 3: had heaps of beer left over after the wedding, which

1732
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 3: is disappointing that they didn't just work their way through

1733
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 3: being German. But anyway, they had heaps. They had to

1734
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 3: tip it away, tip it out because it had gone off.

1735
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 3: Who knew that beer goes off, which also is not

1736
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 3: great because Laura, I am holding on to a bottle

1737
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 3: of End of the Golden Weather, which I've had with

1738
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 3: which what do you mean you don't know what End

1739
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 3: of the Golden Weather is. It's a sour beer from

1740
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 3: Garage Project. It's like the best one they ever put out.

1741
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 3: I've had it for three years, so that's gone and

1742
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to, ye, I'm

1743
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 3: gonna have to tip that one away. In your mind,

1744
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm gonna buy lots of Maybe

1745
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 3: I just buy the type of were containers. How about that?

1746
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 3: If I buy the containers, I don't have to collect

1747
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 3: the stupid stickers headlines next.

1748
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all

1749
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR.

1750
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 2: The HR platform for SME used to sip se be proud.

1751
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 3: Wh you think these up? If you rule was beautiful,

1752
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 3: I think you coming, Heather. The beer will still be drinkable,

1753
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 3: it just won't be as fresh tasting. Heather beer doesn't

1754
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 3: go off. What a load of bull I've had six

1755
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 3: year old beer that was the nicest beer ever. I'm

1756
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 3: kind of like at this stage Kiwi bloke saying he

1757
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 3: is a beer connoisseur versus German overachiever. Being a beer connoisseur,

1758
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the German, don't you think? Yeah?

1759
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the right call to make. Hey, Gavin

1760
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 3: Gray is gonna be us out of the UK in

1761
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 3: about ten minutes time. Things are not going all that

1762
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 3: well for the Paris Olympics. They rolled out some bottles

1763
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 3: for kids. I had to recall them, you know, like

1764
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 3: it's just a shambles, isn't it. So we'll have a

1765
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 3: chat to him shortly about that's twenty three away from seven. Ever,

1766
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 3: back to those proposed rules around infant formula. The proposal

1767
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 3: to the proposal is to white label the cans of

1768
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 3: formula and then take some of the cans out of supermarkets.

1769
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 3: And these proposals come from Food Safety of Food Standards

1770
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 3: Australia and New Zealand's. They set the rules around food

1771
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 3: for both of the countries. But whether this actually happens

1772
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 3: seems to lie in the hands of the food ministers

1773
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,839
Speaker 3: from both countries. They will meet on Thursday. Our Minister

1774
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 3: for Food Safety is Andrew Hogart is with me. Now, hey, Andrew,

1775
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: do you like this idea or hate it?

1776
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 7: Not a Well, there's lots there's about six hundred of

1777
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 7: pages to the whole standard. Most of it's good. That's

1778
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 7: part around the labeling requirements we're not in favor of.

1779
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 7: Why basically there's an economic Prossimer's also a consumer information

1780
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 7: issue here. You know, it's going to restrict the ability

1781
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 7: for people to say whether this is organic product, whether

1782
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 7: it's got A two in it, whether it doesn't contain additives,

1783
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 7: and a range of other little things like that that

1784
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 7: it's sort of all put on the you're only allowed

1785
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 7: to put it on the nutrition panel on the back,

1786
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 7: so you know, I'm not happy with not treating people

1787
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 7: like adults. And then on the economic side, it's going

1788
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 7: to put out of products at a disadvantage in e

1789
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 7: commerce trade in China compared to European products. So those

1790
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 7: are sort of the reasons why. You know, it's only

1791
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 7: a small part of the whole standard. Overall, there's a

1792
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 7: lot of good in the standard, but we're going to

1793
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 7: ask for a review on this part to try and

1794
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 7: try and get the whole thing looking good some.

1795
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 3: Of if you read a little bit in depth in

1796
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 3: this particular proposal, there's also a call for some of

1797
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 3: the stuff to be taken off the supermarket shelves and

1798
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 3: only sold by dietitians and pharmacies and doctors and so on.

1799
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,799
Speaker 3: It's a subcategory called special Medical Purpose Products for infants,

1800
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 3: but we are struggling to figure out exactly what that covers.

1801
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 7: Do you know, To best of my knowledge, it's what

1802
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 7: my second daughter was on. She had reactions to her

1803
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 7: formula that she was on, and she had to go

1804
01:26:56,200 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 7: on to a special product that the doctor recommended so

1805
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 7: that it wouldn't cause exner in her. And so I

1806
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 7: mean that was the you know, we found she was

1807
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:05,799
Speaker 7: getting exmer.

1808
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 3: But I mean, they can just be that could just

1809
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 3: be goat milk, right, are we talking about just goat milk?

1810
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 7: No, we went to goat milk first. Well, yes, no,

1811
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 7: not goat milk. This will be like those free and

1812
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 7: then it gets even more specialized than that.

1813
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 3: Andrew at the moment, can you buy that stuff in

1814
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 3: the supermarket?

1815
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 7: Apparently yes, but I'm not I know for us, we

1816
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 7: we actually got it through the chemist.

1817
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 3: And this was the German producer who's recently had a baby, says,

1818
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 3: you can get it on the supermarket. Shef Now, what's

1819
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 3: the thing, Like, what's the logic in this? Why would

1820
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 3: we take it off the supermarket? Shoves I'm not. I'm

1821
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 3: not going to go and buy this stuff from my baby.

1822
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 3: It's expensive if I don't need to, So what are

1823
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 3: we trying to prevent?

1824
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 7: To be honest, it's the questions I've been asking, and

1825
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 7: I'll continue to ask on Thursday. The best answer I've

1826
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 7: had is that people could to be I don't know,

1827
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 7: think that they're by buying a special product. They're buying

1828
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 7: something very good for their baby, and they're feeding their

1829
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 7: babies something they don't need to be fed, so like

1830
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 7: an ellergen free product, which may actually encourage eligence later

1831
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 7: in life. So it's the best example of being given.

1832
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 7: But I'll certainly be asking more questions on that one.

1833
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 3: Andrew, how have we got to the point where we

1834
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 3: have people who are setting standards for our food treating

1835
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 3: something which keeps babies alive as a prohibited product.

1836
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 7: This goes all the way back to how it was

1837
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 7: the review was set up where I guess the focus

1838
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 7: was solely on health and the fine formula in particular.

1839
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 7: You've got coming out of who you know, a real

1840
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 7: push and it's been there for many years that there

1841
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 7: shouldn't be very little advertising of infant formula because of

1842
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 7: was taked away from the whole best argument, and I

1843
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 7: think that's the over around writing sort of philosophy behind

1844
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 7: all this stuff. Quite frankly, I would much prefer that

1845
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 7: is it safe. If it's safe, then you know, let

1846
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 7: people make informed choices.

1847
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 3: Okay, so you said you're going to call for a review,

1848
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 3: which essentially is the thing that kind of you know

1849
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: that stops this from happening at least in the short term.

1850
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 7: Are they all reviews the section? So I've only got

1851
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 7: two options. Either I call for a review or I

1852
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 7: say we will have modified spend it here in New Zealand.

1853
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 7: So we'll call for a review, and if I'm not

1854
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 7: supported by the other ministers, then we will in all

1855
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 7: likelihood call for a modified. And what do you mean.

1856
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 3: You must have talked to them, Andrew? Are they going

1857
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 3: to what are the Australians saying? Are they keen on.

1858
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 7: Us see the issue? And it fit to say, you know,

1859
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 7: I'll I'll be raising it again and hopefully they get

1860
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 7: the the sense that I'm pretty strong on this.

1861
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 3: And how many of these ministers are women.

1862
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 7: I think I might be in a minority in this group.

1863
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 7: I think there's one of the life worse. I weren't

1864
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 7: coming on that, Heather. I'll let you do that, Okay,

1865
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 7: fair enough.

1866
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 3: I think there's a wise decision actually, Andrew, okay, listen,

1867
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 3: just tell me really quickly. So on the review, you

1868
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 3: call for a review. If they supported, Let's say that

1869
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 3: there's a review, does that actually stop it in its

1870
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 3: tracks or does it just delay it?

1871
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 7: You that does the review of particularly for these parts

1872
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 7: around the labeling requirements of looking into because there wasn't

1873
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 7: economic analysis done on this part, so looking at the

1874
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 7: economic analysis the impact on particularly New Zealand, because there

1875
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 7: are a few reasons we can call for a review.

1876
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,639
Speaker 7: One is because we don't believe it's consistent with global

1877
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 7: standards and there's a part of that because the euser

1878
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 7: they're able to not do this stuff, and also nomic

1879
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 7: impact and safety of course, so you know, we'll be

1880
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 7: focusing on the review around the primarily around the economic

1881
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 7: impact this will have on New Zealand.

1882
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 3: Andrew, best of Lakahi. You're flying out to deal with

1883
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 3: this tomorrow, so go Well, that's Andrew Hoggard, the Minister

1884
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 3: for Food Safety. Women. Hey, women, Hay, always the bigger problem,

1885
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,679
Speaker 3: isn't it. It's always women who are the big problem

1886
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 3: for women. Dudes, chill about this kind of thing anyway.

1887
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 3: That's all we're going to say about it. I'm sure

1888
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 3: they were going to deal with this later on.

1889
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 5: Now.

1890
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've caught up on the Adidas

1891
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 3: thing with Balahadid, but if you haven't, let me fill

1892
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 3: you in. So Adidas is in trouble because addid As

1893
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 3: decided to put out a vinted shoe, and it wanted

1894
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,759
Speaker 3: to put out this vinted shoe to honor, of all things,

1895
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 3: the nineteen seventy two Munich Olympics. What happened at the

1896
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two Munich Olympics historic massacre of israelis Why

1897
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 3: why the nineteen seventy two Munich Olympics. Why would they like,

1898
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 3: you know what, you know what we need to do?

1899
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 3: It's mark the nineteen seventy two Olympics. Why why nobody

1900
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: knows anything about it apart from the fact that a

1901
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 3: whole bunch of Israeli people died. It's not even like

1902
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 3: twenty five years on fifty it's fifty two years. It's

1903
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 3: not even a round number. It's like, it's not fifty

1904
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 3: or sixty or seventy five, it's fifty two. It's weird anyway,

1905
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 3: So that's weird. But then what gets weirder as they

1906
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 3: then Rope and Bella had deed the model to promote

1907
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 3: this particular shoe. The problem with Bella is Bella's Palestinian American.

1908
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 3: But that's not the big problem with Bella. Bella actually

1909
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 3: has a history of apparently spreading some not great stuff

1910
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 3: about Israelis and Jews, and so they decide they decided

1911
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 3: to pick somebody who doesn't particularly like necessarily Israelis and

1912
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 3: Jews to promote the event where Israelis were killed. Anyway,

1913
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 3: it's blown up so massively on added as that the

1914
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 3: Jewish government, sorry the Israeli government has got involved on

1915
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 3: Twitter and slammed them. The American Jewish Committee has also

1916
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 3: slammed them. As a result, they have now apolgized and

1917
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 3: said they're revising the aid campaign. But it's definitely one

1918
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 3: of the do you not feel it's one of those

1919
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 3: things where you didn't need to do it, like you

1920
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 3: just did not. I love your edded s I'm a

1921
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 3: buy shoes anyway, you didn't need to do this. Why

1922
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 3: did you do it? Whoever thought of that needs to

1923
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 3: be fired quarter to.

1924
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 2: Everything from SME to the big corporates, the Business Hour

1925
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 2: with hither duple c Ellen and my HR, the HR

1926
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:24,879
Speaker 2: platform for SME US talks.

1927
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 3: It'd be Kevin Gray are UK corresponds with US?

1928
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 22: Now?

1929
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 3: How Gevin?

1930
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 27: Hi there?

1931
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 3: Joe Biden? So much more interesting than the politics you

1932
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 3: guys just had.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, a little bit that way, isn't it. And reaction

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Speaker 27: here coming really from the current Prime Minister and the

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Speaker 27: format Prime Minister, with sekre Starman, the current Prime Minister

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Speaker 27: saying he did it in the best interest to the

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Speaker 27: American people and basically that he was looking forward to

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Speaker 27: working with Biden for the remainder of his presidency, saying

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Speaker 27: what a remarkable career he'd had. The former Prime Minister

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Speaker 27: Hsinak praising Joe Biden for the love of America, dedication

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Speaker 27: to service. He said working with him, my soul first

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Speaker 27: hand is love for America, and our partnership has led

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Speaker 27: to significant achievements, including Orcus, the combination with of course

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Speaker 27: the US and Australia over defense and the steadfast support

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Speaker 27: for Israel and the defense of the people from the

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Speaker 27: Houtif threats. Interesting. Ukrainian President Vladimier Zelenski said Ukraine grateful

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Speaker 27: for his unwavering support and then said we'll always thank

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Speaker 27: you for his leadership. The current situation in Ukraine and

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Speaker 27: all of Europe is no less challenging. Of course they're

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Speaker 27: very concerned Donald Trump will cut off funding and I

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Speaker 27: also should mention actually the form UK lead de Nigiel

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Speaker 27: Farah is a huge supporter of Donald Trump, just saying

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Speaker 27: I predicted this would happen in September last year. Whoever

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Speaker 27: they picked Trump will win in November.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what was wrong with those water bottles?

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Speaker 27: A very interesting story this so just of course the

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Speaker 27: paras Olympic style. On Friday, they've had some memorabilia and

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Speaker 27: souvenirs as it were already out on sale, and among

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Speaker 27: them has been some water bottles for children. These are

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Speaker 27: water bottles that you can reuse and they're branded with

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Speaker 27: the Olympic rings and the flame. But they've been on

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Speaker 27: sale since August of last year right through to June

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Speaker 27: of this year, and it's now been found they've been

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Speaker 27: withdrawn from sale because of excessive levels of a chemical

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Speaker 27: called this fennel a now that's been linked to help

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Speaker 27: potential health issues including breast cancer and infertility. So despite

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Speaker 27: the fact that these have been on sale all this time,

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Speaker 27: they've now had a mass recall to get them back

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Speaker 27: in slightly embarrassing with the Olympics just at the end

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Speaker 27: of this week.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound good at all. Hey, would you pay

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand euro for a seat to

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Speaker 3: watch football.

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Speaker 27: No, I don't think i'd pay very much at all

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Speaker 27: really to watch football. This is an amazing new figure

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Speaker 27: that's come out of the refurbishment of Real Madrid Stadium

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Speaker 27: in Spain, Santiago Bernabau. They're saying, look, it's more than

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Speaker 27: just a stadium, it's an architectural statement piece. But within

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Speaker 27: all the new gizmos and all the rest, there are

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Speaker 27: three hundred soup of VIP seats and believe it or not,

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Speaker 27: these have access to as you can imagine, exclusive food, drinks,

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Speaker 27: great view of the pitch, unique experiences such as live shows,

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Speaker 27: mingle with influential people before a match and afterwards, all

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Speaker 27: the rest of it. And the figure is because the

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Speaker 27: one off payment just to get into this super Vike

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Speaker 27: vi IP club comes in at just a little under

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Speaker 27: half a million New Zealand dollars, probably making it the

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Speaker 27: most expensive sporting seats ever. Because Heather, that is just

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Speaker 27: entry to the club. It does not buy you the

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Speaker 27: annual ticket you also need to purchase for the seat

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Speaker 27: there does nuts.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is just aimed at vvvv ips Gavin,

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Speaker 3: which it's just a pity you and I haven't been

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Speaker 3: included because obviously we should be thank you very much

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Speaker 3: to talk to you in a couple of days. Look

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Speaker 3: after yourself. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, eight Away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, microbe or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME used talksp.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is from a bill to have listened to this, Heather,

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Speaker 3: I think you're underestimating the impact of TMU. I've never

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Speaker 3: seen seven grown men talk about shopping with such firmer further,

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Speaker 3: rather most days a show and tell about who got

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Speaker 3: the best deal on new boots, new tools, new t shirts,

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Speaker 3: set to we all buy everything we ever buy off TIMU.

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Speaker 3: That's remarkable. That blows my mind. That actually blows my mind.

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Speaker 3: I hope the workboots are okay, Like, I hope it's

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Speaker 3: one of those ones where if you drop the giant

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Speaker 3: circular saw on them while for some weird reason that's

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Speaker 3: detached itself from the bench and is still going like,

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Speaker 3: I know that's not going to happen, but I hope

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Speaker 3: your workboots will be. You know, you're gonna save your toes,

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Speaker 3: not like tmuquality work boots, which is what I think

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Speaker 3: you got there. Anyway, speaking of weird stuff like Olympics

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Speaker 3: and work boots, you can buy a pat well, you

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Speaker 3: can't buy, but you may well be able to buy

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Speaker 3: some spray on sneakers in the future, which they have.

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Speaker 3: This seems like that kind of like debooting them bringing

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Speaker 3: them out for the Paris Olympics, for the long don

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Speaker 3: long distance runners they have been they will use at

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Speaker 3: the Boston Marathon in April. But I think the woman

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Speaker 3: who actually ended up winning them. The things I'm made

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Speaker 3: by a Swiss shoemaker called on and they called the

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Speaker 3: cloud Booms strike Als and basically it's like a sock

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Speaker 3: you put on your foot and then they have a

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Speaker 3: robotic arm and they spray the shoe's thermoplastic upper into shape.

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Speaker 3: In three minutes, you're like a carbon fiber and a

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Speaker 3: foam rubbish sole and then it sprays the rest of

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Speaker 3: it on. They use heat. So I'm freaking out a

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Speaker 3: little bit about that because I'm sort of like if

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Speaker 3: like the guy got the idea from watching somebody spray

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Speaker 3: with one of those hot glue guns and he was like,

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Speaker 3: I could do that on a foot away that freaks

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Speaker 3: me out a little bit because if there's a malfunction,

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Speaker 3: you know, the circular.

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Speaker 16: So is the least to melt onto your foot.

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Speaker 3: Do you imagine the kind of horrible what if they

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Speaker 3: missed the sock and just when that.

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Speaker 16: Kind of person sees a hot glue going and goes, oh,

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Speaker 16: I could choose spray that onto somebody's foot, please don't.

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Speaker 3: They are very light. The other shoe the second lightest shoe.

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Speaker 3: They're the lightest shoe. The second lightest shoe is about

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Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy grams. These are one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy grams.

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Speaker 16: So that you go adds, maybe we can get Bealahadi

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Speaker 16: to model them as well. Gravity by John too Good

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Speaker 16: to play us out tonight. This is John too Good,

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Speaker 16: famously of She Had, is putting out a solo album

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Speaker 16: in October, and this is the second single that's going

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Speaker 16: to go off it. So yeah, there you go, eleventh

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Speaker 16: of October, look out for that one. The album is

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Speaker 16: going to be called Last of the Lonely Gods.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I feel like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: do you feel like John too Good comeback by himself?

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Speaker 16: I'm not enjoying this as much as I enjoy Ignite

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Speaker 16: or or the Young Fascists are any of the really

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Speaker 16: good she had ones. Maybe maybe the third single will

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Speaker 16: get me. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's ever listen. We'll see.

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Speaker 28: I'm also not really okay. Thanks to you tomorrow.

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