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Speaker 1: It's time for politics Wednesday, and Ginny Anderson's with us

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Speaker 1: along with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, morning Jenny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Ginny. Did you Chris Stapleton or not?

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Speaker 1: Did I like Chris Staples? Then I didn't go because

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Speaker 1: I was out of town. But the did you go?

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Speaker 3: I did go? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did you vomit?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I didn't, Okay, because there was some vomiting going on,

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Speaker 1: and the behavior of people at concerts in this country

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Speaker 1: leaves me cold.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I look, I would have to. Maybe I'm just

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Speaker 4: getting on a bit, that could be it, but I

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Speaker 4: would tend to agree with you. The area I was

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Speaker 4: in was pretty good, but a little bit over. You know,

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Speaker 4: they were paying a few bit for the tickets.

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Speaker 1: You paid a lot of money for tickets. And here's

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Speaker 1: the other thing, because the last concert was the Morgan

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Speaker 1: Wollen concert, and the people were so drunk that they

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Speaker 1: literally passed out and missed the concert. And I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: to myself, you pay three hundred bucks to go stand

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Speaker 1: there that you drink yourself silly, and you miss it.

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Speaker 1: What's the point?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I tend to agree with you, Mike. I thought,

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Speaker 4: but that music was amazing. His voice was brilliant. The

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Speaker 4: musicians were really on and I think it's his wife

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Speaker 4: who plays with them. I'm not sure it is his wife.

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Speaker 3: I think it is his wife. So I thought that

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Speaker 3: was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: My now, my assessment of it is he's if you

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Speaker 1: go back to Luke Colmes, he's an officionado, like he's

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Speaker 1: a true artist. Luke Colmes is very commercial, very successful,

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Speaker 1: and God bless him for that. But if you want

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Speaker 1: real talent, I mean top short, top drawer talent, Stableton Jamn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well it's the blues influence that gets me. It's

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Speaker 4: that real old school ability to play and tell a

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Speaker 4: good story for a song, and he nails it.

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Speaker 1: What do you recommend?

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Speaker 2: I was, well, I was at the Rural Games North

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Speaker 2: rural people, so I love Christophen but that was it

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Speaker 2: was great to be down there and support them because

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Speaker 2: we've got outstanding sports people in the rule sector that sports.

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Speaker 1: What games do you play rurally?

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Speaker 2: They've got They've got a couple of good fun events

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Speaker 2: like the dry Cow pet.

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Speaker 1: Throw that's good fun.

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Speaker 2: And they tossed the gun boot, which is cool. Did

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Speaker 2: you do that? But no, I didn't, I didn't. I

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Speaker 2: didn't well, I wanted to do the gun boot toss

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Speaker 2: because we're not shipping then entire happy We used to

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Speaker 2: do that with it was an annual event.

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Speaker 1: You're the Minister of sport, for God's sake, why can't

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Speaker 1: the Minister of sport right up and give me give

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Speaker 1: me a gun boat.

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Speaker 2: To try to participate where I can? But she had

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Speaker 2: to get away to another event. But anyway, the young

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Speaker 2: lady that took out the Top Award is a world champion.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know exactly what the title is,

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Speaker 2: but what she does is she gets up trees, prunes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, one of those. They're fantastic to scamper up the

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Speaker 1: way they do do they the mettle things on their legs.

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Speaker 2: She is amazing. She is amazing.

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Speaker 3: The one where they go side side side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they use a lot of technical gear and things

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Speaker 2: like that as well, and you know, all sorts of

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Speaker 2: but it was just nice to she got recognized. She

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Speaker 2: took out the top Award and you know, not normally

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Speaker 2: in this that it wouldn't recognized, so as great.

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Speaker 1: Did you want to do that as well yourself, Mark

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Speaker 1: or were you a bit busy that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they had any ropes strong enough

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Speaker 1: Jenny, Now, did you have you sat on that? Am

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Speaker 1: I correct and saying I read and featured on the

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Speaker 1: program earlier? There's the piece in the spinoff by a

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Speaker 1: eighty hours of of submissions on the Treaty Principles bill.

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Speaker 1: And have you sat through the whole eighty hours? Have

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Speaker 3: No? Not the whole eighty hour.

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Speaker 1: It's no how many hours you reckon because what I

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Speaker 1: got out of her article, which I thought was very instructive,

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Speaker 1: was essentially what we've learnt out of this is you've

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Speaker 1: got a group of people who think it's great and

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Speaker 1: a group of people who don't. Many of them are

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Speaker 1: very articulate, very eloquent, very studied and educated, but they

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Speaker 3: I would agree? Yeah, I would agree. I don't think

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Speaker 4: I think there were some great submissions that made really

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Speaker 1: But see what and that brings me to you, Mark,

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Speaker 1: because it's your party that's stopping Seamore going ahead with us.

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Speaker 1: All these argued all along is we don't have a

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Speaker 1: definition for the treaty in law, and we should and

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Speaker 1: what this process has proved is that is true. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't we want to move on with this and

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Speaker 1: do something productive with it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just think that I really like Selei committee

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Speaker 2: processes because it does give you know, it leats people

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Speaker 2: engage with our democracy and they have a voice, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's great. We've basically we've said yep, we

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Speaker 2: just think that's a blunt tool and there's still work

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Speaker 1: We just think for one hundred and fifty years and

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Speaker 1: there's the outworking of one hundred and fifty years of

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Speaker 1: disagreements in front of it select committee and no one agrees,

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Speaker 1: even the most expert of experts does not agree. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: we need to sharpen it up and shape it up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Paul Goldsmith is motivated to do

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Speaker 2: work on that. But we just, like you said, and

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Speaker 2: we just felt this was a very blunt tool in

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Speaker 2: terms of the way to achieve that so there will

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Speaker 2: be work going on, it just won't be through the

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Speaker 2: Treaties Principle bill.

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Speaker 1: It's all right.

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Speaker 4: The point the point would be what's the point of

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Speaker 4: eighty hours not going any further? And I think that's

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Speaker 4: the problem. That was a waste of resources and time.

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Speaker 1: Well, we can also say it about it. My broader

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Speaker 1: point is that's the that's all select committees, isn't it,

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Speaker 1: Because you're always going to find people who hate on

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Speaker 4: Least but the law changes, something comes out of the

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Speaker 4: end of it. Is the only one I've said on

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Speaker 4: either for all of that time, nothing happens, stops in

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Speaker 2: Well I think that. I mean Labour took a similar

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Speaker 2: off as well. So but I think that.

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Speaker 3: You name it, Mark, it was a treaty.

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Speaker 2: It was a Treaty Principals bill that Labor brought into

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Speaker 2: the House as well.

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Speaker 1: Through the process making it up.

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Speaker 3: Can check your history negotiations.

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Speaker 2: You don't even know that. You don't even know that

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Speaker 2: treaty negotiated.

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Speaker 3: When on treaty.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, Mark, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark, now hot. When you're asking your staff member

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Speaker 4: to go Google, I could hear yes, So.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what staff at for Jenny Google listeners. The

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Speaker 1: listeners are all saying, two thousand and five. Here we go, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: principles of the tricky by taking you Bill June eight,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five in Parliament Select Committee for every year?

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Speaker 1: Is that the one I didn't support?

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Speaker 3: It didn't support. No, it's you're right.

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Speaker 4: I was right.

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Speaker 3: Labor did not support it.

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Speaker 1: Journey, nineteen eighty nine, fourth Labor government.

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Speaker 3: I was in third. Four.

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Speaker 1: Well it doesn't make it doesn't mean they weren't doing it, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: The history two thousand and five. You don't know the history. Mark,

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Speaker 3: they didn't support it.

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Speaker 1: What's the matter with your staff?

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 1: Who you got there? For goodness sake? Tell them to

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Speaker 1: do something so good it can? I congratulate you, by

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Speaker 1: the way, Jinny, just quickly on the promotion that you

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Speaker 1: got over the week on Friday. So that's good, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm pleased to keep police as well, though.

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Speaker 1: So you should, so you should.

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Speaker 3: Mark. You might have got off, but let me just finish.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm really pleased to be part of that that

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Speaker 4: that new economic team, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 4: be really good work that New Zealanders do need done.

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Speaker 1: As part of your jobs, you're going to pay people

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Speaker 1: to do nothing again like you did last time.

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Speaker 3: No, I won't be doing that, but I'd like to

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Speaker 3: pay them more. I think he.

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Speaker 1: Would pay them more to do nothing.

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Speaker 3: And I think they need higher scale jobs as well.

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Speaker 4: So we need to not have cases like Callahan and

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Speaker 4: the Heart here they've laid off over a hundred scientists

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Speaker 4: with no plan of where to put them, and they're

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Speaker 4: all going to the Netherlands or Australia, the ones I've

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Speaker 4: spoken to. So I would say that's a silly idea

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Speaker 4: and we need to not do things like that.

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Speaker 2: Give me sorry, Mark, No, I was just going to say,

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Speaker 2: I hope she's better than a roll with police. When

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Speaker 2: I think about police under Labor, you had Ginny Anderson,

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Speaker 2: Chrys Sipkins, Poto Williams and Meaghan Woods. It was like

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Speaker 2: a bad episode of Kick.

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Speaker 3: To be fair.

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Speaker 1: I think I think is the best of those four.

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Speaker 1: I think Jenny is the best of those four. Lords.

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Speaker 2: Look, public safety is not even in the top three

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Speaker 2: priorities that was announced by Chris Sipkins. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: just a it's a joke, but look, the reality, the

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Speaker 2: serious side of it is that jobs are critically important.

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Speaker 2: Were coming through a really tough period in turn the economy,

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Speaker 2: and you know, but the reality of it is, might

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Speaker 2: we're right were the pre election budget update under labor

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Speaker 2: was projected to be exactly where we are. We just

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Speaker 2: got a really hard We're all about growth, we're about

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Speaker 2: the economy, we're about the return of jobs.

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Speaker 1: Do you think give me your take the National Party

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Speaker 1: take on this lunch is thing, because I'm just desperate

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Speaker 1: to move it on to something vastly more important, But

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Speaker 1: it's we seem to be bogged down in what's turning

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Speaker 1: out to be a political mind field for you people.

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Speaker 2: Look, yeah, and David is working flat out on that

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Speaker 2: to make sure. Look from what I understand that the

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Speaker 2: actual delivery of the lunches is as good, but obviously

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Speaker 2: there's been some issues with it and David's working flat

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Speaker 2: out on that.

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Speaker 3: And one of those companies is that liquidated now, as looks.

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Speaker 1: Like that does make any difference though, Jinny, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: if the company is in liquidation and the delivery keeps

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Speaker 1: going as sad as it is with the company, what's

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Speaker 1: it matter? Kids still get.

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Speaker 4: But the point, the point, the point I would make

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Speaker 4: is all the schools I visited who ran their own program,

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Speaker 4: and albeit at cost of more, they would employ two

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Speaker 4: or three local people or local small businesses to provide

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Speaker 4: those lunches, and so that keep the local economy going.

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Speaker 4: It was better food.

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Speaker 1: It gave jobs, of course, but that's what happens. If

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Speaker 1: you keep spending money you don't have, which is what

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Speaker 1: going to be the case. But we can't afford that.

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Speaker 1: We have no mother.

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Speaker 2: There was one hundred and thirty million dollars war.

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Speaker 4: Under labor, people get paid more that the economy grows

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Speaker 1: But not when it's funded journey from debt. You can't.

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Speaker 1: I can go borrow one hundred thousand dollars from the

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Speaker 1: bank and give it to you. You can go and

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Speaker 1: spread it all over the Lower Hut today and you go,

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Speaker 1: look I did, But I mean I've still got to

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Speaker 1: pay the debt back.

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Speaker 2: They don't it might they don't understand their solution.

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Speaker 4: Their solution to growing economy is to open it up

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Speaker 4: foreign investment, And we can't just continue cutting things.

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Speaker 1: For an investment.

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Speaker 2: But we need good foreign investment here.

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Speaker 3: You I'm not saying we don't. I'm just saying we've

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Speaker 2: But your but your answer is Jenny, And whether it's

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Speaker 2: you're Jantin, is you just you guys just don't get it.

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Speaker 2: You come into the house and you say we'll just

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Speaker 2: appropriate more money, We'll just that's taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: Well you just say, well, you just said it now

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Speaker 1: with the sandwiches.

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Speaker 4: You know, I said foreign investment wasn't the answer to

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Speaker 4: all of our economic problems. We've got a downward spiral

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Speaker 2: Foreign investment. Foreign investment is an important part of the

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Speaker 2: have to pull us a government to get us back

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Speaker 2: on track to be in a rock star economy.

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Speaker 1: Is the foreign buyer's house band being announced tomorrow or

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Speaker 1: Friday the lifting of that.

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't think there's any announcement around that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: When's the foreign when's the foreign house band lifted?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: Is that not part of it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where

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Speaker 2: we are on the work with that, but I know

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Speaker 2: that Erica Stanford's you know, working flat out on those settings.

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Speaker 1: But then announcement as coming though I'm assuming I thought

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Speaker 1: it would have been tied up with the thing tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: There's no there's there might be an immigration announcement tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't think it relates to that,

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Speaker 2: but there's definitely in some announcements tomorrowy and infrastructure projects

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Speaker 2: that we really want to engage and find some good

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Speaker 2: foreign kept coming.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you guys. We'll catch up next week,

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