1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,547 Speaker 1: from newstalks'b. 3 00:00:12,907 --> 00:00:15,867 Speaker 2: Kath sadly have only just been able to tune in, 4 00:00:15,987 --> 00:00:18,187 Speaker 2: so I don't know if you've discussed this, but why 5 00:00:18,227 --> 00:00:21,147 Speaker 2: do they kick the ball away instead of passing it? 6 00:00:21,187 --> 00:00:23,387 Speaker 2: Thanks Kath, Hey, James mcconey, Why did they kick the 7 00:00:23,387 --> 00:00:24,867 Speaker 2: ball away instead of passing it? 8 00:00:25,547 --> 00:00:27,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of my points as well. Why are 9 00:00:27,547 --> 00:00:29,827 Speaker 3: they doing it? And are they doing it the right way? 10 00:00:29,907 --> 00:00:33,867 Speaker 3: Because I do wonder whether our kick strategy is correct 11 00:00:33,987 --> 00:00:37,347 Speaker 3: when we actually dominated so many of the stats, and 12 00:00:37,387 --> 00:00:39,987 Speaker 3: you can go on Rugby Pass is a really good website. Actually, 13 00:00:39,987 --> 00:00:43,147 Speaker 3: if you want to take a look at the possession territory, 14 00:00:43,187 --> 00:00:45,547 Speaker 3: all that stuff was stacked in the all Blacks favor. 15 00:00:45,947 --> 00:00:47,827 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the TMO and denied us a couple 16 00:00:47,867 --> 00:00:50,267 Speaker 3: of times, but no real excuse, is it? Really? 17 00:00:50,827 --> 00:00:52,907 Speaker 2: No? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. 18 00:00:53,787 --> 00:00:57,347 Speaker 2: Did you enjoy watching some deboos last night? Big Fabian 19 00:00:57,387 --> 00:00:59,667 Speaker 2: Holland are quite like the look of this guy? 20 00:01:00,507 --> 00:01:03,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was my pick of the debutants, Big Fabian 21 00:01:03,307 --> 00:01:05,627 Speaker 3: Holland and because he's so big you can't miss him, 22 00:01:05,627 --> 00:01:08,427 Speaker 3: but play in the eighty minutes, just a big go 23 00:01:08,547 --> 00:01:11,347 Speaker 3: shifting bodies around the place. Because you know, you can 24 00:01:11,467 --> 00:01:14,547 Speaker 3: have your your slim line locks, but the guys who 25 00:01:14,587 --> 00:01:16,827 Speaker 3: really can do a bit of both, you know, move 26 00:01:16,907 --> 00:01:19,587 Speaker 3: the pianos and also go up and get are or 27 00:01:19,747 --> 00:01:22,147 Speaker 3: like Circa. So let you need someone like that, and 28 00:01:22,187 --> 00:01:24,227 Speaker 3: I think Babian Holland fits the bild. He looks a 29 00:01:24,227 --> 00:01:30,027 Speaker 3: lot like Hibinetz a bit, doesn't He's. 30 00:01:27,947 --> 00:01:30,947 Speaker 2: Crazy, he said last night I did a postmatch with 31 00:01:31,027 --> 00:01:32,907 Speaker 2: him and he said, look, I said, how's it feel, 32 00:01:32,987 --> 00:01:36,307 Speaker 2: you know, debuting or something? You know, something similarly in 33 00:01:36,427 --> 00:01:38,907 Speaker 2: Nane and he said, he said, all these guys I've 34 00:01:38,907 --> 00:01:43,947 Speaker 2: always looked up to. He's about two meters ten. It 35 00:01:43,987 --> 00:01:45,067 Speaker 2: was quite a good phrase. 36 00:01:45,987 --> 00:01:48,387 Speaker 3: It's the first time on Sky I've seen Joey Wheeler 37 00:01:48,427 --> 00:01:50,067 Speaker 3: having to look up a little bit when he's doing 38 00:01:50,067 --> 00:01:53,387 Speaker 3: an interview. And by the way, Joey Wheeler is an 39 00:01:53,427 --> 00:01:55,907 Speaker 3: absolute breath of fresh air on TV. I love his 40 00:01:55,987 --> 00:01:59,307 Speaker 3: interviews and his energy and I know some people can 41 00:01:59,387 --> 00:02:03,267 Speaker 3: mudgeons will go, you know, but I think he's outstanding 42 00:02:03,267 --> 00:02:04,907 Speaker 3: at what he does. And if you want to look 43 00:02:04,947 --> 00:02:06,827 Speaker 3: at the pre match, if they show it, he does 44 00:02:07,267 --> 00:02:10,267 Speaker 3: a story that morning with the All Blacks serving coffee 45 00:02:10,267 --> 00:02:12,987 Speaker 3: in the cafe and Dnevan and it's great TV. 46 00:02:13,587 --> 00:02:15,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they've got a really good mix, you know, 47 00:02:15,547 --> 00:02:17,907 Speaker 2: and I need they need the I'm not saying he 48 00:02:18,227 --> 00:02:20,867 Speaker 2: doesn't know anything about rugby, because he does clearly, but yeah, 49 00:02:20,987 --> 00:02:24,307 Speaker 2: I love the authenticity he brings. I totally agree. And 50 00:02:24,347 --> 00:02:25,867 Speaker 2: he's like that off the year too. You would have 51 00:02:25,867 --> 00:02:28,667 Speaker 2: met him. I'm sure he's exactly the same when he's 52 00:02:28,667 --> 00:02:32,107 Speaker 2: not on camera. Hey, Mary or Black Scotland. Scotland won 53 00:02:32,107 --> 00:02:32,827 Speaker 2: this game. 54 00:02:33,427 --> 00:02:36,387 Speaker 3: Oh I know. And also I mean the thing about 55 00:02:36,387 --> 00:02:39,347 Speaker 3: it is like they've got nine players away with the Lions, 56 00:02:39,347 --> 00:02:40,827 Speaker 3: so they are in the strength, but it's still is 57 00:02:40,867 --> 00:02:43,067 Speaker 3: a Tier one nation. But the thing is it was 58 00:02:43,147 --> 00:02:46,347 Speaker 3: a thriller and they lost. The mary Or Blacks lost 59 00:02:46,347 --> 00:02:48,987 Speaker 3: by three points, but they had a number of penalties 60 00:02:49,067 --> 00:02:51,707 Speaker 3: near the death. And I'm just wondering, is a draw 61 00:02:51,827 --> 00:02:55,307 Speaker 3: not good enough? I mean, surely a drawer is okay. 62 00:02:55,547 --> 00:02:59,067 Speaker 3: I mean, you have a better night after drawing with 63 00:02:59,147 --> 00:03:02,067 Speaker 3: a Tier one nation than losing, you know. So I'm 64 00:03:02,067 --> 00:03:04,027 Speaker 3: saying it now, if I can't be a winner, I'd 65 00:03:04,107 --> 00:03:05,707 Speaker 3: rather be a drawer than the loser. 66 00:03:06,627 --> 00:03:08,667 Speaker 2: I think that's a fair I think that's a fair call, 67 00:03:09,027 --> 00:03:11,347 Speaker 2: isn't it. If one of the options is to lose 68 00:03:11,387 --> 00:03:13,987 Speaker 2: the game and the other options not to lose the game, 69 00:03:14,427 --> 00:03:15,667 Speaker 2: you take the second one, don't you? 70 00:03:16,507 --> 00:03:19,307 Speaker 3: Totally? And also Pony just to go back to the 71 00:03:19,307 --> 00:03:21,067 Speaker 3: all blacks in case we're leaving the all black. So 72 00:03:21,107 --> 00:03:23,347 Speaker 3: I was going to say, I've been listening to callers 73 00:03:23,387 --> 00:03:26,427 Speaker 3: and I love the callers the day after a test match. 74 00:03:26,467 --> 00:03:29,347 Speaker 3: You must enjoy it as well I do. And they're 75 00:03:29,387 --> 00:03:31,427 Speaker 3: making some bloody good points out there. And one of 76 00:03:31,427 --> 00:03:33,747 Speaker 3: the ones that I like is I think Tupo VI. 77 00:03:33,947 --> 00:03:37,067 Speaker 3: I think Raser is doing the right thing there. He's 78 00:03:37,147 --> 00:03:40,267 Speaker 3: never going to be a power number six like Jerome 79 00:03:40,347 --> 00:03:43,947 Speaker 3: Cano and Channon Frizzell, but he's an effort guy and 80 00:03:43,987 --> 00:03:47,987 Speaker 3: when with that it means just covering more territory, getting 81 00:03:48,187 --> 00:03:50,427 Speaker 3: you know, doing more of that dirty work. And I 82 00:03:50,467 --> 00:03:54,747 Speaker 3: think he's perfect. So let just keep that experiment rolling. 83 00:03:54,787 --> 00:03:56,787 Speaker 3: It was worth throwing the dice with a few of 84 00:03:56,827 --> 00:04:00,307 Speaker 3: those things, two po Vi being one and the other 85 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:03,507 Speaker 3: the other one. I actually thought with Bowden settling in 86 00:04:03,547 --> 00:04:06,307 Speaker 3: there at number ten, he really saved us last night Boden. 87 00:04:07,307 --> 00:04:11,147 Speaker 3: He kicked every single goal he had to the triassus 88 00:04:11,547 --> 00:04:13,307 Speaker 3: and like I said, once you iron out some of 89 00:04:13,387 --> 00:04:16,947 Speaker 3: those kick decisions. I just think that Bowden looked really 90 00:04:16,947 --> 00:04:19,467 Speaker 3: good at number ten, and even with the maat coming on, 91 00:04:20,067 --> 00:04:24,547 Speaker 3: just having the two playmakers out there. Can we possibly 92 00:04:24,587 --> 00:04:26,867 Speaker 3: do that again? I know it happened because Seem got injured, 93 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:27,827 Speaker 3: but I did like it. 94 00:04:28,427 --> 00:04:31,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree about Boden baron at ten. I 95 00:04:31,987 --> 00:04:34,587 Speaker 2: thought he had an assured game and his goalkicking is 96 00:04:35,587 --> 00:04:38,027 Speaker 2: as good. He's so effortless. I was watching him kick 97 00:04:38,067 --> 00:04:40,387 Speaker 2: goals from sideline last night. He's just effortless. Anyway, we 98 00:04:40,427 --> 00:04:42,587 Speaker 2: move on, Can I ask him aout the Lions? Andy 99 00:04:42,587 --> 00:04:43,987 Speaker 2: Ferrell's got a son in the team. 100 00:04:43,827 --> 00:04:47,187 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, exactly. This is the I mean, we talk 101 00:04:47,227 --> 00:04:49,707 Speaker 3: about nepo babies. If you hit that turn, piney. 102 00:04:50,627 --> 00:04:51,347 Speaker 2: I have now. 103 00:04:51,827 --> 00:04:55,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, a neo baby is just nepotism, someone picking their son. 104 00:04:55,827 --> 00:04:57,907 Speaker 3: I mean, we've all worked for companies where the you know, 105 00:04:58,307 --> 00:05:00,667 Speaker 3: the son of the boss ends up leap frogging everyone 106 00:05:00,707 --> 00:05:02,907 Speaker 3: and running the company. And you know you have to 107 00:05:02,907 --> 00:05:05,107 Speaker 3: be careful of those drinks and stuff, don't you know 108 00:05:05,627 --> 00:05:08,707 Speaker 3: what you say? But look, this is this is just 109 00:05:08,747 --> 00:05:12,907 Speaker 3: a classic case of yes, Owen Farrell has got, you know, 110 00:05:12,987 --> 00:05:18,267 Speaker 3: an amazing CV of winning and playing for the Lions 111 00:05:18,307 --> 00:05:20,747 Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff, But really this is 112 00:05:21,627 --> 00:05:23,467 Speaker 3: be careful what you wish for, because I think it's 113 00:05:23,507 --> 00:05:27,427 Speaker 3: a decision like this can unsettle the camp. And bringing 114 00:05:27,467 --> 00:05:30,547 Speaker 3: someone him in like that, I just think you just 115 00:05:30,627 --> 00:05:34,307 Speaker 3: lose respect from the troops. So I love Andy Farrell. 116 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:36,387 Speaker 3: I'm sure his heart's in the right place, but a 117 00:05:36,427 --> 00:05:38,907 Speaker 3: guy who hasn't played for a while, he's been struggling 118 00:05:38,907 --> 00:05:42,227 Speaker 3: for fitness, and to go ahead of all those other ones, 119 00:05:42,547 --> 00:05:45,827 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you're getting an experienced player, but then 120 00:05:45,867 --> 00:05:48,027 Speaker 3: that that really signals that he's going to make the 121 00:05:48,027 --> 00:05:49,027 Speaker 3: Test side, doesn't it? 122 00:05:49,147 --> 00:05:49,387 Speaker 4: Really? 123 00:05:49,507 --> 00:05:51,507 Speaker 2: Now I think I know, I think you're right. I 124 00:05:51,507 --> 00:05:55,467 Speaker 2: think you're right one because they had I was just 125 00:05:55,507 --> 00:05:57,987 Speaker 2: gonna i'most want to move on. But they had a 126 00:05:57,987 --> 00:06:00,547 Speaker 2: at least convincing win over the war task last night, 127 00:06:00,547 --> 00:06:02,987 Speaker 2: didn't They put fifty on the fours, fifty on the reds. 128 00:06:02,987 --> 00:06:04,547 Speaker 2: They were less convincing last night. 129 00:06:05,307 --> 00:06:09,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, what should we do? Should we got time for 130 00:06:09,147 --> 00:06:10,827 Speaker 3: the warriors as well? Or should we just move on 131 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:12,707 Speaker 3: to the Pony. 132 00:06:12,507 --> 00:06:13,907 Speaker 2: I think we can. I think you've got I'd like 133 00:06:13,947 --> 00:06:18,187 Speaker 2: to I'd like to talk Diego Jotta. This is just 134 00:06:18,547 --> 00:06:22,467 Speaker 2: absolutely dreadful news, the death in a car accident this 135 00:06:22,507 --> 00:06:26,667 Speaker 2: week of one of Liverpool's first team players at the 136 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:27,547 Speaker 2: age of twenty eight. 137 00:06:28,707 --> 00:06:30,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, it's just life's not fair. I mean, 138 00:06:31,027 --> 00:06:32,987 Speaker 3: the only reason he was in a car is because 139 00:06:33,027 --> 00:06:36,067 Speaker 3: they told him not to take a flight back to England, 140 00:06:36,067 --> 00:06:40,987 Speaker 3: so he is going to the ferry terminal in northern Spain. 141 00:06:41,147 --> 00:06:43,427 Speaker 3: So this is a weird thing right now when you 142 00:06:43,467 --> 00:06:45,507 Speaker 3: look at it. He would have been on cloud nine 143 00:06:45,547 --> 00:06:47,747 Speaker 3: before that, has won the League with Liverpool, won the 144 00:06:47,787 --> 00:06:55,507 Speaker 3: European Nation's Cup final with Portugal, and married his childhood 145 00:06:55,547 --> 00:06:57,827 Speaker 3: sweet out. They had three kids together. It's twenty eight 146 00:06:57,907 --> 00:07:00,827 Speaker 3: years old, and then that happens. It's just so devastating. 147 00:07:01,187 --> 00:07:03,787 Speaker 3: I know you're a Liverpool fan, Poney, but also I 148 00:07:03,827 --> 00:07:07,147 Speaker 3: think for anybody who's lost someone in your lives is 149 00:07:07,227 --> 00:07:09,187 Speaker 3: young and I know that's happened to you, It's happened 150 00:07:09,227 --> 00:07:11,667 Speaker 3: to me. My best friend died in a car crash 151 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:15,467 Speaker 3: when he was eighteen, just outside of Tao Mutu. It's 152 00:07:15,787 --> 00:07:20,227 Speaker 3: absolutely devastating. There's nothing you can do to change that 153 00:07:20,227 --> 00:07:23,827 Speaker 3: that hurt really apart from just remember that. You know, 154 00:07:23,947 --> 00:07:26,467 Speaker 3: sometimes you just have to appreciate the people around you. 155 00:07:26,547 --> 00:07:28,707 Speaker 3: Appreciate those days if you are in a car with 156 00:07:28,827 --> 00:07:31,267 Speaker 3: someone turning them and tell them that you love them. 157 00:07:31,587 --> 00:07:35,147 Speaker 3: You need to care now rather than worrying about what's 158 00:07:35,187 --> 00:07:37,667 Speaker 3: happening here because you just don't know what's going to happen. 159 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:49,227 Speaker 4: Pon him, Walk God, where. 160 00:07:51,667 --> 00:08:06,547 Speaker 5: An you. 161 00:08:23,867 --> 00:08:27,027 Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 162 00:08:27,147 --> 00:08:30,427 Speaker 1: to news talks at B Weekends from midday, or follow 163 00:08:30,467 --> 00:08:32,067 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio