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Speaker 1: Darcy Waldgrave sports talk hosters in here. Hello, Darce, hit

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Speaker 1: a p where's Chris Lindram quit?

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Speaker 2: Because this huge revolving door policy going on at INZ are.

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Speaker 2: They're changing, They're changing everything, and I understand that I've

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Speaker 2: got I'm presuming. Look, it's going to be on the

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Speaker 2: show with us tonight, so we'll find I'll ask them

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Speaker 2: to jump with your Porschtores.

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Speaker 3: This part of proceeds Lindo.

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Speaker 2: I hate to use nicknames, but he's such a nice fella.

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Speaker 2: He's great to get on with. But the new structure

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Speaker 2: for INJR. Getting underway? What end of may I think

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Speaker 2: it is? They've they've got to do it because I

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Speaker 2: don't think the time under Robinson went particularly well. So

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Speaker 2: now that Robertson's gone and Robinson's gone and everybody else

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Speaker 2: has gone, it's like, okay, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: We need to make sure this is is a catch raise.

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Speaker 3: For you, fit for purpose, look into the future. Which

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Speaker 3: is good.

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Speaker 2: It's a refreshed strategy as a new high performance director

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Speaker 2: role has been established and the nature of who reports

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Speaker 2: to who and how is going to be the interesting

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Speaker 2: you know, I believe that the new CEO, whoever that's

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Speaker 2: going to be, is going to be up above the

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Speaker 2: top doing CEO things, doing money things that they are,

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Speaker 2: Whereas this new Chief Rugby Officer role that's going to

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Speaker 2: be created, then the head coach is going to be

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Speaker 2: responsible to him in the High Performance Director.

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Speaker 3: I think that's how it's going to work. Lancaster.

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Speaker 2: Steve Lancaz who's the interim CEO, is going to take

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Speaker 2: the Chief Rugby Officer role over.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'll find out more from Chris Lendrum about what these

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Speaker 2: different roles mean, because he's going to stick around as

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Speaker 2: a consultant too, so he'll know exactly how things are

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Speaker 2: changing and why things are changing at that level of

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Speaker 2: New Zealand rugby. Maybe to relieve some of the stresses

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Speaker 2: on one man or woman having to look after absolutely everything,

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Speaker 2: delineate what organization or part of the organization is responsible

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Speaker 2: for what which which. I suppose that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're in big business and the like that

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Speaker 3: they do this all the time.

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Speaker 1: Don't Well, you know what if I was being I

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Speaker 1: don't know a lot of detail, but just from what

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Speaker 1: you've told me, it feels like what is going on

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Speaker 1: here is that they are trying to make this thing

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Speaker 1: actually wash its own face. Right, So you put the

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Speaker 1: CEO in as the guy that runs a business. If

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Speaker 1: he's not the chief rugby guy, that means that he's

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Speaker 1: not sentimental about rugby. So he will make difficult decisions

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Speaker 1: about trying to keep this business profitable because that is

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Speaker 1: their problem is they don't actually turn a profit every year.

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Speaker 1: They lose a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what they've got to do.

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Speaker 2: They've charged with looking after the whole rugby infrastructure right

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Speaker 2: the way from the grass up to the very top.

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Speaker 3: Now can you do that as well as.

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Speaker 2: Look after the interests of what's actually happening on the park,

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Speaker 2: the playing of the game.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know if you can, because sometimes there's

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Speaker 1: a tension between that and if you're the guy who's

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Speaker 1: you know, too deep into the rugby, then you might

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Speaker 1: not make very good financial decisions. So that feels like

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Speaker 1: that may go somewhere to explaining that at least that's

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Speaker 1: a question.

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Speaker 2: Well, rugby head's doing rugby things, and another rugby head

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Speaker 2: has been involved with rugby doing rugby things at a

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Speaker 2: financial level.

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Speaker 3: End, I mean, they pushing the game.

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Speaker 1: Forward, just high rugby people for this job because it's

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Speaker 1: a business.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe the CEO will do that, but it helps

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Speaker 2: if they kind of understand the weeds of rugby, but

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Speaker 2: not completely up to their eyeb.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think if you love something too much, you

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Speaker 1: can't make tough decisions. You're too sentiment.

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Speaker 3: You can't step away from it, you can't make.

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Speaker 1: Brutal decisions because you remember how it was back in

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Speaker 1: your day. The day the interesting is a cleaning house.

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Speaker 1: The way that they are suggests that they are trying

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Speaker 1: to affect quite a significant significant culture change as well.

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Speaker 1: Right as in those everything you hear about it being

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Speaker 1: old boys club and the way that they run, maybe

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Speaker 1: that actually is legitimately a problem.

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Speaker 2: So what's not happened in New Zealand rugby in the

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Speaker 2: areas that we care about, i e. A National teams winning?

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Speaker 2: We haven't been winning. Yeah that's the bill and endles

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Speaker 2: when the Black Fans won.

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Speaker 1: No, No, they've still got to make some money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got to do that. But as far as

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Speaker 2: the public's concerned, their shop window is the All and

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Speaker 2: the Black Ferns and all of their main teams. If

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Speaker 2: they don't perform, they can't build anything beyond that and

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Speaker 2: the CEO can't go looking for money going oh yeah, well.

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Speaker 3: Our our rugby team, it used to be the best.

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Speaker 3: The will the third but that's okay, back us up anyway.

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Speaker 2: The Black Ferns, yeah they're box office, but their second

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Speaker 2: that they need to put.

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Speaker 3: That to the front. We've got to win rugby.

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Speaker 2: That's all rugby fans care about, right.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's probably a fair point. Well, and then making money.

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Speaker 3: Sound you're surprised on a scale of.

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Speaker 1: One to ten how much of a loss as Mitch

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Speaker 1: Bunnett eight nine.

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Speaker 3: High, it's big.

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Speaker 2: Like I understand, when you've got family pressures and you've

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Speaker 2: got an unwell child, you're going to leave. And if

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Speaker 2: you want to leave on compassionate grounds, you're not going

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Speaker 2: to make a player stay, are you.

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Speaker 1: You're going to say, well you are until the end

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Speaker 1: of the season.

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Speaker 2: Well I find that one interesting, but look, I don't

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Speaker 2: know enough about it. But I mean you look at

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Speaker 2: the likes of Walsh and for now a Blake and

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Speaker 2: Lodge and look.

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Speaker 3: The list goes on.

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Speaker 2: There's been plenty of players of two up to the Warriors,

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Speaker 2: and then going oh I'm homesick.

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Speaker 3: Oh I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I'm leaving bye. But if the player doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: stay or can't stay, then he can't.

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Speaker 1: Give Hey, Darcy, thank you. Looking forward to the chat tonight,

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Speaker 1: So Darcy water Grave Linda Tonight, Chris Lin Lindo, Linda

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Speaker 1: at seven.

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Speaker 3: He's not my friend. I've never met the guy.

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