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Speaker 1: The ZM podcast Network. Hi guys, welcome back to what

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Speaker 1: is the last episode of season three, Hopes Were All

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I can't believe I'm saying that we've done

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Speaker 1: another season already. I can't even believe that I got

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Speaker 1: to do three seasons. But thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on this journey with me. If there's any of

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Speaker 1: the episodes that you've missed it all, please go back

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Speaker 1: and listen. The season has been filled with some of

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Speaker 1: the most incredible people, some phenomenal stories. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: such a wide range of different things, and I really

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Speaker 1: think even if you personally aren't going through what is

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Speaker 1: talked about in the episode right now, it's so educational

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Speaker 1: and raw and kind of throughout the whole season, the

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Speaker 1: stories have just been amazing, and I just want to

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Speaker 1: thank you all for your support so far on this

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Speaker 1: podcast and on the season. It's been so it's been

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Speaker 1: so overwhelming. I can't believe that I get to do

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Speaker 1: this and there I get trusted with people's stories and

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Speaker 1: to be able to share them and share just a

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Speaker 1: little bit more hope in the world where everything is

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Speaker 1: going all there's so much happening at the moment and

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Speaker 1: for people to be willing to speak and to share

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Speaker 1: and to have these conversations and listen to these conversations

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Speaker 1: means everything. And as always, if anything in this triggers you,

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Speaker 1: please at any time you can stop, take a break,

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Speaker 1: come back to it, or talk to someone if you

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Speaker 1: need to. You're not alone. The bravest thing that you

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Speaker 1: can do right now is to talk to someone, is

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Speaker 1: to ask for help, whether that's from a friend, a

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Speaker 1: family member, or if you don't know who to talk to,

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Speaker 1: then if you live in Altieroa here you can call

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Speaker 1: or text one seven three seven at any time to

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Speaker 1: talk to a train counselor or if you live overseas,

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Speaker 1: go to dub dub dub dot the Voices of Hope

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Speaker 1: dot org for a list of international helplines. Remember that

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Speaker 1: no matter what it is that you're facing, no matter

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Speaker 1: what it is that you're going through, that in all things,

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Speaker 1: hope is real and change as possible. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: end the season by doing something that I've done the

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Speaker 1: last two season, which is a ask me anything, bringing

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Speaker 1: in my wonderful friend. All of you will know her

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Speaker 1: by now, the one, the only, the very tall Genevieve Mohra,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Hello, thank you for having me the giraffe.

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Speaker 1: The draft. You are literally a draft. I'm literally like

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Speaker 1: I just and people always say when they meet us

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Speaker 1: in person, yep, they're like, they always think I'm taller

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Speaker 1: than I am. They're like, you're very short, but you

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Speaker 2: Well, you're so tall?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't tell right now, obviously as we're sitting down,

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Speaker 1: you are. You're a bab tall and I'm very stroked.

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Speaker 1: I have you on here. I put up a question

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Speaker 1: box that there was thousands of questions that came through.

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Speaker 1: So we're not going to get to everyone's questions today,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to do as many as we possibly can.

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Speaker 1: There's one there I'm gonna say immediately caught my eye

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Speaker 1: that we must start with, and then we can have

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Speaker 1: a little of banter before we get really into the

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Speaker 1: other ones. If you were a potato products, Brown's Hot Chips,

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Speaker 2: And why there is such a story behind potatoes and

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Speaker 2: jazz and I oh, oh, I'm gonna go with.

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Speaker 1: The French fry.

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Speaker 2: Why they're tall that long, crunchy on the outside, soft

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Speaker 2: on the inside, If it loves a French fry not Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but are you like a.

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Speaker 1: Like a like a real skinny French fry or.

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Speaker 2: Like a thick I'm a burger fuel French fry. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: so that's not a French fry. Oh that's it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call that a French fry because it's thick,

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Speaker 1: hot chip, hot ship. That's what we call it in

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Speaker 1: It's a hot hot ship and then the thin ones

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Speaker 1: Do Americans call it hot chips? No? No, what do

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Speaker 1: they call it? Fries? All of them? It's very valiquisiou.

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Speaker 1: They're not all fries. They're not what would you be.

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Speaker 1: how are you? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. Is that time of the year

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Speaker 2: I need to say this because I can't stop staring

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I do. It's the first thing that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny that dogs. I like, I'll walk down

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Speaker 1: The same thing. I'm like, say, hey they leap talk.

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Speaker 1: Oh do you have any?

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Speaker 2: I think the one thing that comes to mind is

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Speaker 2: to focus on your own journey. I think when I

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Speaker 2: Is there a certain way to live life? And I

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Speaker 2: of you know, my trauma is different there in terms

435
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Speaker 2: of you know, expect to that ED disorder and OCD,

436
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: and it has been quoted in articles, you know, even

437
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: disort of survivor, and personally, I don't feel connected necessarily

438
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 2: to the survivor word.

439
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know. It's a complex one.

440
00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 1: That's really interesting because I remember reading your hospital files

441
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: with you, and I have read a lot more. I

442
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: guess details of what has gone public and gen you're

443
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: eating just order nearly killed you like you. That's like

444
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: you survived one of the most deadly mental illnesses. Like

445
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: that's like I think that, I think that people often

446
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: associate survivor survivor with a traumatic event. But that's it's

447
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: interesting that you feel you don't connect to that, because

448
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 1: that's I think you should take a moment to go

449
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: christ like you did. You survived because you did the

450
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: work and that thing it literally nearly killed you, like it. Yeah,

451
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just gonna let you. I need to sit

452
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: with that. And I think, no, you're completely right. I

453
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: did survive, and I think it's not only that I thrived.

454
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: You know, why do you think the word survivor makes

455
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: you feel uncomfortable for you for your journey?

456
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 2: No, this is a great question, and instantly what comes

457
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Speaker 2: to mind, and I would be the first person to

458
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 2: shut someone down that said this is it doesn't feel

459
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if I feel worthy of that title,

460
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: which is you know, and you've just broken it down

461
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: for me is so interesting because how, yeah, I survived,

462
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah you did.

463
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: Like you think of like nineteen year old gen who

464
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: is doing also for you with OCD all of these

465
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: rituals and stuff, but like for me, literally reading those

466
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 1: hospital notes there were moments where you didn't want to

467
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: wake up, but also that you physically, if you kept going,

468
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: it would have claimed your life. You literally survived one

469
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Speaker 1: of the most deadly mental illnesses that there is, and

470
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: I think you need to give yourself more credit for that.

471
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Speaker 1: But I also think this is really interesting because there

472
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Speaker 1: is so much stuff around around being a survivor being

473
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Speaker 1: tied to traumatic events and that it's not big enough

474
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: where it's not bad. And I literally just had this

475
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: conversation real with Brie, which was on the last episode

476
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: of this podcast. I remember when she told me about

477
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: her traumatic event that she went through where she was kidnapped.

478
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: Well not sorry, she wasn't. Oh my god, let me

479
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: reword that she was not. She was she was threatened

480
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Speaker 1: to be kidnapped. And when she first told me the story,

481
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, but it's not like as bad

482
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: as what you'd been and I was like, I was.

483
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: I was shocked, and I was like, oh my gosh,

484
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: this is nuts. But there's so much comparison that can

485
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Speaker 1: happen of like, well it wasn't as bad as this,

486
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: or yes it was, yes it was well, and for

487
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: you and your experience and your life and what you

488
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: went through it was And I think that happens all

489
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: the time when it comes to like any kinds of

490
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: trauma of like, well it wasn't as bad as this

491
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: or like but and you were like yeah it was.

492
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah for you it was yeah, you're right. You can't

493
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: compare trauma. No. Well, thank you to the person that

494
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: asked that question.

495
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to just be driving home about this, like, wow,

496
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: that was uponto that.

497
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: But thank you. That was a yeah, what a beautiful question. Yeah,

498
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is a good question for you. Okay,

499
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: how do you handle public speaking anxiety?

500
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Speaker 2: Oh?

501
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: Wow, this is a great question for me.

502
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: I do more of more of it, more public speaking

503
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: than you know, I've probably ever done, you know, And

504
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: I think having jazz lead the way has been really

505
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: helpful for me. I think someone said something to me once,

506
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, you get nervous because you care, Like every

507
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: time I go out and speak, I want to do

508
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: a good job. I want someone to take something for it.

509
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: I you know, have this in a critic and you know,

510
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm again it's that worthy thing.

511
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm good enough.

512
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Speaker 2: How dare you stand up on the stage and tell

513
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: these teenagers, you know what helped you through your struggles,

514
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: and you know, is it bad enough? And is anyone

515
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: going to relate to that story? And again that's something

516
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: I continue to work on. But I think it's one

517
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: of those things. And I learned this throughout my journeys,

518
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: is that exposure piece. Right, the more you do something,

519
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: the less scary it becomes. And so it's putting myself

520
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: in those uncomfortable positions, and she trying to flip the

521
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: narrative and be like, how lucky am I that I

522
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: get to share my experience and hopefully help someone.

523
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, And I think you know, a

524
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: lot of people wouldn't have seen them behind the scenes

525
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: for you. But like you used to have to write

526
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: everything down word for word on a piece of paper

527
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: before you spoke, and I wouldn't sleep for like three weeks.

528
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: And now she can just get up and just talk.

529
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: And I think that really does come from that, like

530
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: knowing you're you know the purpose of what you're speaking.

531
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: But even if people when it comes to like school

532
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: speeches and stuff like that, the big thing that still

533
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: really helps me and it counts can sound really cliche.

534
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: And you'll know this with with your battles with anxiety,

535
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: as well as the box breathing techniques. I've breathing for four,

536
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: hold for four, out for four, hold for four. This

537
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: is something that even some of your top athletes will do.

538
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: When people are at the peak of the performance. People

539
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: are still doing that to calm their nerves down. And

540
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: while I personally don't get anxious speaking anymore, weirder only

541
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: because I've done it five million times, I did get

542
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: very nervous when I had to go after someone bias.

543
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: It was, oh my goodness, and I was in high

544
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: heels and then my earring dropped off in the stage.

545
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: Lad read of the title wrong. Oh my gosh. Yes,

546
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: there's also this one time. Okay, I want to tell

547
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: the story, and I really hope that you're okay with

548
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: it from me. So the reason this actually came up

549
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: is that I was listening to the radio the other

550
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: day and Flick Thwna Haley, who hosts the breakfast show

551
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: for ZIM. We're talking about mispronouncing words and like when

552
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: that's been an issue for you, And there was this

553
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: one time that we were speaking in a intermediate school

554
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of like very young kids there right,

555
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: and Gina's getting up. She's getting real confident at this point,

556
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: she's speaking her little heart out, and then she's starting

557
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: to talk about tools, and at one point she stops

558
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: and she says, just grab your tit. I wanted to

559
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: crawl into a ball. I'm standing on the side of

560
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: the stage, catch her out the side of my eye.

561
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: Go And so basically what I was trying to say

562
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: is this breathing technique where you squeeze your fists. So

563
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: I think I was saying, just squeeze your fist, but

564
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: I said squeeze your tits.

565
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I need to go home.

566
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: It was the funniest thing, no, And thankfully I think

567
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: it went over most of their heads, but.

568
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: I just the teachers. But I want to I want

569
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: to share that because we've all had. We've all had,

570
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: I've said a couple of times, and now I'm so

571
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: cautious when I say it. It was I don't know

572
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: it was a school or a corporate conference. It may

573
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: have been a corporate conference. And I was talking about

574
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: the whole concept of it, start surviving, start fighting.

575
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: And.

576
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: Shot chart to short surviving you know what a shot?

577
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: And then I just couldn't like trying to recover from that,

578
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: and so.

579
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: That happens, and you actually taught me something because I'd

580
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: often like if I fumble my words while I'm talking,

581
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: They're like sorry, and you like, stop saying sorry because

582
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: it makes more obvious.

583
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: Just continue faked, you make it? This is I feel

584
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: like this All of these questions are making me really

585
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: ponder a lot of things this person has said. Is

586
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: the reason we can't love ourselves because of other people's actions?

587
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: Or is that selfish to say that other people are

588
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: the reason that we can't love ourselves? It's dang, I'm

589
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: going to say. I'm going to say, I want to

590
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: say yes. To be honest, I think I'm not gonna

591
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: What I will say from personal experience is that a

592
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: lot of my time, like for me, my inability to

593
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: love myself has come from a mixture of things that

594
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: has come from not getting that when I was super

595
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: young growing up. And if I can't be loved by

596
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: those who are supposed to love me, then why what

597
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: I be? It came from trauma, it came from bullying,

598
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: it came from all of that. And then see this

599
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: is funny because then I say, and then it also

600
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: came from the things that I did and my reactions.

601
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: And that also, I like, because I would hate myself

602
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: for certain things with ways that I would cope were,

603
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: especially when I was constantly kind of that crisis mode

604
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: or feeling like I had to make something up to

605
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: be to still you know, feel momentary love or things

606
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: like that. And then when I go back to the

607
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: core of that, those behaviors, those responses, those things that

608
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't love myself because of was a response to

609
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: the things that happened to me. Yeah, and the things

610
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: that are going on in the world, And I think that, yeah,

611
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that's something that is like, you're not

612
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: born hating yourself. No, you're not born with an inability

613
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: to love yourself. No, And then no, I completely hear you.

614
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: And then I look at my situation and where I

615
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: was so privileged and I am so privileged to have

616
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 2: been surrounded and so much love, Like there wasn't anything

617
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: external that made me feel Did you.

618
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: Ever feel like you didn't love yourself, well, that you

619
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: couldn't love yourself?

620
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: I think it was probably that came as part of

621
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: my experience, you know, through more specifically tied to my

622
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: eating disorder.

623
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was something I experienced apart from

624
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: that different for everyone. Yeah, that's man, that some of

625
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: these questions are are good. I mean I have like

626
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: a million answers. As soon as I leave here, I

627
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: feel it. Oh my god, I've just seen for those

628
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: of you who listened to zenim Ross boss, who is

629
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: the boss of zenim Networks? Do you know the muffin Man?

630
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Do you know? Do you know the muffin Man? The

631
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: Muffin Man, the Muffin Man? Do you know them? Man

632
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: who lives on Dreury Lane? How do you deal with

633
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: online bullies?

634
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

635
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: You get more of these? And that is not an invitation, girl,

636
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: and I will cry. Yeah. I mean I've been getting

637
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: bullied on the engineer since I was in Bibo days,

638
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: and I mean to be I don't think i'd shared

639
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: the story red so oh man, people that I went

640
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: to high school are going to absolutely girl me for this.

641
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: But so when I was younger, when we were younger,

642
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: there was this app that a lot of you probably

643
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: won't know. It wasn't even an app, it was a website, Bbo.

644
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: We all had Bibo. Exactly what you're gonna say, yeah,

645
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: and back on Bebo, there was a thing where you

646
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: could have someone as your other half, and everyone had

647
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: someone as your other half. I didn't have any friends,

648
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: and so I just made a random faced it so

649
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: that I could for them. Do you remember their name? No? No,

650
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember at all.

651
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Speaker 2: Bibo was the worst. I would have your other half

652
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: and you'd have your top five or ten, the fight

653
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: with someone at school, and.

654
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: They'd move down this.

655
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you can move them down, change them

656
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: as much as you want to.

657
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: I was convinced. I was having a conversation with Ashley

658
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Tidstar once on me anyway. To go back to the

659
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: question online police, that's it is something that you know,

660
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: I've experienced since before I kind of got the profile

661
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: that I do now, and I definitely deal with it

662
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot better than I used to. I think that

663
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: the block button is the most powerful thing that you

664
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: could possibly have. I think that, you know, for me,

665
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: what I've learned as well is that what you don't

666
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: see can't hurt you. So I try to not actively

667
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: seek out some of the you know that kind of

668
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: stuff and and do block it as fast as I can.

669
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's hard when it comes to people

670
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: that are in school and you're kind of having to

671
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: go face to face with his people every day. But

672
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: I think also talking to people is so powerful and

673
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: reporting it, reporting it like it's not when when you

674
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: know your parents were at school, they would get bullied

675
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: at school and then come home and it would not

676
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: follow them home or as now it doesn't. Mis seeing

677
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: case after case after case of that. Especially you know,

678
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: we've seen a string of suicides in Australia of these

679
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: young kids that have been bullied online and I think

680
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: I hate snapchat. I hate it because it also gets

681
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: rid of all of the evidence of stuff that happened.

682
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: As well, kids use it as an excuse. We used

683
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: to do things like ask if him or like those

684
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: anonymous things, but.

685
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: You'd put one up on your own platform and then like, no,

686
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: you're going to get.

687
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Bullied do it? Just yeah? Terrible. Yeah. I think my

688
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: biggest piece of advice is what other people say about

689
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: you does not define who you are. It does not

690
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: define your self worth at all. The people who are

691
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: closest to you know you, they love you for who

692
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: you are, and block report you don't have to stand

693
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: for it. And also if you see it happening, and

694
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: you're not the one being bullied, or you're not the

695
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: bully themselves. If you see it happening, you have a

696
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: responsibility as well to jump in this issue. We cannot

697
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: be the people that we see these kids that are

698
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: dying suicide, and then we're posting going, oh my gosh,

699
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: you have to stand up to bullying, Oh my gosh,

700
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: And then you're seeing other people get bullied and you're

701
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: not doing anything about it because you don't want to

702
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: step on toes or you don't know. This is everyone's

703
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: responsibility and if we want to see this issue change,

704
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: it's not just on the victims. Yeah, no, I completely

705
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: hear you in that.

706
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: And I think something that's been really sort of opening

707
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: to me is the fact that there's websites that literally

708
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: literally exists to bully people online. And I think the

709
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: way that I try and frame it is I actually

710
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: look at that and I just go, that is so sad,

711
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: the fact that people take time out of their day, Like,

712
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: how low and how unhappy must they be to go

713
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: and take time to type on a website awful things

714
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: about other people. Yeah, Like, I just really unfortunately think

715
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: that's potentially a reflection of them and what they're going through.

716
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I also think it's a reflection of society

717
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: that we think it's okay, like when you think of

718
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: back of like even all the women's magazines and stuff.

719
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: I think New Zealand's a bit better with that. But

720
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: all the American minds that you grow up with, all

721
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: the gossip forum gossip forums like you grow up with

722
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: be eight people like criticism and bullying is normal and

723
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be, and it's yeah, it's got to stop.

724
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: It's so insane. I like this question. If you had

725
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: one minute of everyone's attention in the entire world, what

726
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: would you tell them? And you only had one minute

727
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: to tell them? Oh my goodness.

728
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: I needed these questions prior to this.

729
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: I already asked last night, and there's so many that

730
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: have come through that are just like, oh my goodness,

731
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I feel.

732
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: Like I'm going to miss important stuff and then be like,

733
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: why did I do?

734
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say I think I say the

735
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: same thing everywhere that I go because for me, this

736
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: is my purpose in life. And before I get up

737
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: on any stage, before I direct any campaign, any show,

738
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: write any book, is that at the end of each

739
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: of those things, I want everyone to know that no

740
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: matter what it is that they're facing, hope is real

741
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: and change is possible. And that's why this podcast is

742
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: named Hope is Real. But I think that we underestimate

743
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: the power of hope and that no matter what it

744
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: is that you are going through, things can change. Because

745
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: I think that's where we lose majority of our people,

746
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: is that they just they there's no ability for them

747
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: to ever see change. And sometimes you can be living

748
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: in it for so many years it is so it

749
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: feels impossible to see that. I was in it for

750
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: nine years. But yeah, I would say, hold on, hold on,

751
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: hope is so freaking real and change is possible.

752
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: You've just got to be here to see it. What

753
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: would you say? And the world is better with you

754
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: and you. Gosh, there's so many things I want to say.

755
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: The first things that come to mind is that you

756
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: are not the exception to healing. I think I talk

757
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: to people every single day that are like, yeah, but

758
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: that's you.

759
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I can't do that.

760
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: We've had the privilege of meeting so many incredible people

761
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: through our work and through sharing our own stories, have

762
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: healed and that have found peace after you know, their

763
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: their battles, and I think it's really important to remember

764
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: that you are capable. You're stronger than you even know,

765
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: and I think I really want to validate that. I

766
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: know it's incredibly exhausting. I know it's daunting, I know

767
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: it's overwhelming. I know that sometimes it feels like it

768
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: would be easier just to stay the same and stay.

769
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Where you are now.

770
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: But I can promise you from my experience, from the

771
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: amount of people I've spoken to, that no one ever

772
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: regrets healing. It'll be the best thing you ever do

773
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: for yourself.

774
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: And you're not alone.

775
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: And as Jazz said, or as I said for Jazz,

776
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: the world is better with you in it.

777
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: That's that I need to write that out. Put it

778
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: on a T shirt. Well, don't ask me saying again,

779
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: because put it on Oh my goodness, that's no. I

780
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: really love that. And you know, there's there's so many

781
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: there's so many questions that I want to get to

782
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: and I can see, you know how much people are

783
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: There's so many different things that people are struggling with.

784
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: And we have the honor and the privilege of just

785
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: being a part of what we get to do when

786
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: we get to be honest and open. And I actually

787
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: laugh the other day when I was sharing the full

788
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: story of the whole Stalker situation because the laws finally

789
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: getting past it, Stalker was becoming a leader. Yeah, And

790
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: someone commented and said, oh my god, there's almost so

791
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: much drama on your page, no offense, And I just

792
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: sat there and I was like, that's because I have

793
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: the honor and the privilege of sharing everything that happens.

794
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: Most people don't do that. Yep. Most people only present

795
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: one side of themselves or you know, So it does

796
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: feel like there's always drama, but that's because I'm just sharing, yeah,

797
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, and seve of the times, it's like stoff

798
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: having two years ago that I'm a talking.

799
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: About now, but completely it's almost like that, being like

800
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: you're always so vulnerable.

801
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone, It's another question that we get asked a lot,

802
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: but I want to see if you've got any any

803
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: new answers to it. As we're beginning to slowly wrap up,

804
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: there's so many more questions I want to get to.

805
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to sew many weeks squeeze in, but what

806
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: is a moment for you that has stood out in

807
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: the recent years of like why you keep doing this?

808
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: What it's like your proudest I don't want to there,

809
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: those are two different questions. I don't want see your

810
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: brand's a team in. Yeah, I want to say, what's

811
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: like a moment for you that has stood out to

812
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: you in this advocacy work where you've gone, Oh my gosh,

813
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm making a difference. Oh my goodness.

814
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: I had a moment recently where I was in the

815
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: car park at Newmarket Mall and a dad came up

816
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: to me and said, thank you for writing your book.

817
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: Isaac was with me, and he sat me down. Afterwards

818
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: he goes, do you know what a big deal that is?

819
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: That dad walked over to you. His daughter was standing

820
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: there and she looked like she was just didn't want

821
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: to have anything to do with me in that moment,

822
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: which is fine. But yeah, I think that was a

823
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: moment where I went because the book writing journey was

824
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: so vulnerable and so scary, but also to know even

825
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: if it just helt that one dad, yeah, that it

826
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 2: helps someone.

827
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: That was cool for me.

828
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: So that's kind of more, I guess a personal one

829
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: something that I love. So I run support groups every

830
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: fortnight and they've been running for sort of four or

831
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: five years now, and they eating to sort of support

832
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 2: groups and throughout those years, and it happened recently someone

833
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: messaged me saying they're pregnant, and I just was like,

834
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: how freaking cool is this? And I understand not everyone

835
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: wants to have a baby, but I think if you've

836
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: been through an eating disorder, you know the damnage it

837
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: does have on your baby, on your on your baby,

838
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: on your body, and those moments, I'm like to have

839
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: been part of your journey, even.

840
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: If it was this small, it was so freaking cool. Yeah. Yeah,

841
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't even feel like I can put it down

842
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: to one moment. There's so many, so many moments where

843
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: it just reminds me why I'm doing it. And I

844
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: think that, you know, for me, last year was so hard,

845
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: and there were so many points where I considered stopping

846
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: all of this. I mean stopping in general, but so

847
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: many times I consider stopping this all. And even when

848
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: the stalker situation happened and the conversations around taking everything

849
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: offline and not like, you know, because there was so

850
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: much fear around it, but then just looking back at

851
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: all of these different interactions and going, holy grab this

852
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: is why and I think, yeah, I mean I have

853
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: it is the parents always get me. I was speaking

854
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: at an event in Tasmania that I was about to

855
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: say recently, and that was wild Festival because it's in

856
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: a different country, but I just remember this mother coming

857
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: up with their child and the moms just bawling her

858
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: eyes out and just is like saying thank you, thank you,

859
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: thank you again, like my kid is here. Because of

860
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: the fact that you guys are so open with your stories,

861
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: and that's that happened as well, like a few years

862
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: ago at a different conference, I was speaking and it's

863
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: something that for me when you see that impact and

864
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: you see people choosing hope, everything else doesn't matter. The

865
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: haters don't matter, the fear of putting yourself online doesn't matter,

866
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: like nothing else matters, because these people are finding hope

867
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: and it's so cool that you get to just be

868
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Speaker 1: this tiny little part of it. And I want to

869
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Speaker 1: emphasize that that's what it is like people. And I've

870
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: told other's a lot that people will be like, oh,

871
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: like Jas and Gin, you saved my life and we

872
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: did not save you. When you say that someone or

873
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: something saved your life, You were the one that chose

874
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: to stay. You were the one that chose to listen

875
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: to them. You were the one that chose to take

876
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: the opportunity of hope that was presented to you and

877
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: run with it. You were the one that did all

878
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: of the hard work. All that we do is go, hey,

879
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: there's hope, and then there's counselors who go, hey, here's

880
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: some things that you can practically do, and there's family

881
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: hook hey will be around you. But at the end

882
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: of the day, it's your decision. And that for me

883
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: seeing people choose to fight and choose to stay, Oh,

884
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: every time I can, I completely understand.

885
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Speaker 2: Then I think you know, and I think I learned

886
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: that from you because I get comments like that, being

887
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: like you saved my life. No, you saved your life.

888
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: And it's such an honor and a privilege to have

889
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Speaker 2: been a small part of that journey.

890
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Speaker 1: Yeah, tiny part, it's a tiny part. Yeah.

891
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Speaker 2: I get incredibly inspired by the people within our communities.

892
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: It's a pretty unique position to be in where you

893
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: are interacting or seeing the most resilient human beings on

894
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: a daily basis.

895
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Speaker 1: And we, I mean, we love all of you, like

896
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: so much, and we see you. We know so many

897
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: of you by names. We talk about it. I know,

898
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: we literally do. We talk about you. We stalk you,

899
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Speaker 1: not in the illegal sense, but you know we I

900
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: cannot even say how much we appreciate this platform that

901
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: you've allowed us to give to share our stories. Like

902
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: we get to do this because you trust us, You

903
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: trust the advice that we give, you, trust the way

904
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: that we're able to speak. And I don't think I'll

905
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: ever ever take that for granted. Like there's some of

906
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: you that we see a whole bunch of different events

907
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: that we go to, and I've seen a few times

908
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: he'll be like, I don't want to be annoying. No, No,

909
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: this is every reason that we do it, and it's

910
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: every reason that we jump on and we go through

911
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: crazy traffic to come and record a podcast and then

912
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: we go and you know, we're so thankful to be

913
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: able to do it, and it's yeah, it's everything. I

914
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Speaker 1: completely agree. Hey, first, we all Jen, thank you so

915
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Speaker 1: much for it coming on and closing out another season

916
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Speaker 1: of Hope is Real the podcast, And again, thank you

917
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: guys so much for hanging out with me this season

918
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Speaker 1: and for the seasons beforehand. Like I said earlier. If

919
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: there is anything that you've messed or you haven't listened

920
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: to an episode, please go back listen. And as always,

921
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: if anything in this episode or any of the questions

922
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: that we were speaking to has brought up anything for you,

923
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: please no. Remember that the best thing that you can

924
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: do is to ask for help, and if you don't

925
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: know how to do that, if there's not anyone in

926
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: your direct world that you feel like you can talk to,

927
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: there are helplines that exist all around the world as well.

928
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: You can go here in altaioa once even three seven

929
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: is an amazing helpline. We've got youth line, or if

930
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: you live overseas, got a dub dub dub dot the

931
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Speaker 1: Voices of Hope dot org. There's a list of international

932
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: helplines on there as well. But thank you guys so

933
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: much for hanging out with me this season. It's been

934
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Speaker 1: an absolute honor and a privilege, and I will see

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Speaker 1: you soon.