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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Judith Collins

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Speaker 3: on why she's leaving She's with us after five, Brad

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Speaker 2: Heather duper c Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, obviously, the biggest political news of the day

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Speaker 3: is that Judith Collins has announced that she's retiring from

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Speaker 3: to miss Judith Collins being in politics because I think

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Speaker 3: she has one of those things. She has that thing

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Speaker 3: that very few politicians have. Winston Peters has it, John

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Speaker 3: Key had it, which is the ability to be a

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Speaker 3: managing that day. It hasn't always worked for her, obviously,

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Speaker 3: in reality. But she has been the Minister of Justice,

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Speaker 3: Attorney General. And that's not even the comprehensive list. You

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Speaker 3: do not have that many portfolios across two different governments

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Speaker 3: There was the dirty Politics scandal a decade ago that

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Speaker 3: There was the failed twenty twenty yearly campaign as leader.

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Speaker 3: She somehow managed to come back from that not everybody

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Speaker 3: is a life lesson in this for all of us,

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Speaker 3: There is a life lesson in this for all of

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Speaker 3: politics will be just a little less fun without duco

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Speaker 2: Do for ce Allen all right?

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Speaker 3: So you will remember the case of Sophie Elliot. She

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Speaker 3: He is now up for parole. If he convinces the

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Speaker 3: Why we're just waiting for that, Can I tell you?

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Speaker 3: There is of course a second political resignation today, which

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Speaker 3: you'd be forgiven if you haven't been around long enough

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Speaker 3: But then Duco announced her resignation and nobody's even talking

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Speaker 3: Are you ready? I mean, I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not, because I think that, first of all, whilst

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Speaker 4: And so I maintained that his mental state when he

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Speaker 5: Why would it be any different.

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Speaker 3: Do you? I mean the fact that you would it

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I really don't think so. I mean, there's been so

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Speaker 3: So assuming that you're correct and he doesn't convince the

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope you won't do that, because there is

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Speaker 3: Well, good luck with that, Gil, and thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for talking to us. That's Gill Elliott, Sophie Elliott's dad. Listen,

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Speaker 3: Heather All Things considered Duco actually did a great job

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Speaker 3: getting to twenty five percent amongst just cindermedia. So she

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Speaker 3: gave the Nets a bit of a chance, which is fair.

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Speaker 3: It was a hospital pass, although although you could not

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Speaker 3: have looked at that election campaign and said Judith did

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Speaker 3: a fantastic job because it did get quite wild and weird,

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Speaker 3: didn't it. Seventeen past four Darcy Watergrave sports talk hosters

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Speaker 3: with US Hello.

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Speaker 2: Does hello, Heather?

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Speaker 3: What's going on in the Elsie Open.

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Speaker 6: I've just been looking at results because I've been running

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Speaker 6: around like the blue last insect and trying to organize

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Speaker 6: my program. But Keen of the fifth seeds beaten Film

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Speaker 6: reading how she broke down. I've got no idea, but

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Speaker 6: Pecola and some I'm over playing as well in the

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Speaker 6: quarterfinals and good is leading that six to two and

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Speaker 6: Musseti the fifth seed taking on Djokovic, the fourth seed.

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Speaker 7: He's trying to.

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Speaker 6: Get that twenty fifth Grand Slam title and another quarterfinal

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Speaker 6: think it's cooled down a wee bit as well. Well,

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Speaker 7: If they're under a roof, it doesn't matter, right.

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Speaker 3: What temperatures were they playing in forty three or some No.

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Speaker 6: Well, outside they had to stop it because they can't.

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Speaker 6: When do they know when it's too hot? And you see,

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Speaker 6: it's very, very complex. So your homework is to learn

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Speaker 6: how to tell me this tonight. I don't know. Look,

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Speaker 6: heart's hot, and when you're dealing with the temperatures like that,

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Speaker 7: If you're not, you don't play. So I get that.

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Speaker 7: It's all about player.

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Speaker 3: Health, right, Okay, Now listen Mark Robinson's.

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Speaker 7: Job, he's another chief of rugby Darcy.

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Speaker 3: This is I mean, did nobody did nobody at World

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Speaker 3: Rugby go Everyone's you're making yourself a meme. Guys, everyone's

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Speaker 6: Well, he's the Chief of Rugby, a new role. You've

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Speaker 7: There are so many bosses.

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Speaker 3: Else is World Rugby doing other than rugby? In which case,

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Speaker 3: why do you need a Chief of rugby?

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Speaker 2: Because what are the other he needs?

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Speaker 7: It is chief of rugby specific areas is to.

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Speaker 6: Broaden the game appeal and maximize reach of the world.

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Speaker 3: Is that not the branding and marketing guy?

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Speaker 7: No, obviously not. Maybe they need more. But I've tried

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Speaker 6: Robbo and I was actually in contact with him this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and they said, look and tell World Rugby give the

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Speaker 6: go ahead. I actually can't talk, so we'd think that

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Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, dark cheez Indians's chaos, right.

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Speaker 3: If you had no confidence in these clowns, you've got

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Been uproar in Italy over the news that American Immigration

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Speaker 3: And finally, New England Patriots coach Mark Raebel really Mike

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchinson, Now you is correspondent is with us?

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Speaker 11: Happy New Year, Dan, Happy New Year. I'm just one

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Speaker 3: Having got a lot of people felt a bit uncomfortable

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Speaker 11: Well, we've got a lot of Republicans right now are

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Speaker 3: Right, Donald Trump is clearly feeling the pressure, right, hents

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Speaker 8: Yeah, No, he is, he is.

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Speaker 11: Well, police have said that you know, Preddi was a

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Speaker 11: I think there will be investigations into this where that leads, though,

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Speaker 11: Happens, Well, it's a switch that happens, But then you

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Speaker 8: And that's not only affecting you know.

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Speaker 11: The the the the people that ICE are going after,

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Speaker 11: that's because you've got both parties debating what guardrails I

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Speaker 11: Beautiful Bill, they're still going to be out on the streets.

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Speaker 8: The ICE agents aren't going to be impacted by that.

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Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 11: I think that really depends on your view and your

441
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Speaker 11: party and your stance on this and how they're doing it.

442
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Speaker 11: Right now, I think you're you're going to convince some

443
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Speaker 11: that if they're going after the bad guys and they're

444
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Speaker 11: justified on doing.

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Speaker 8: That, they're okay, they're doing their job.

446
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Speaker 11: But you're still going to have a majority of people

447
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Speaker 11: that are to the left and to the right that

448
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Speaker 11: are going to say this either should be done or

449
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Speaker 11: this is being done illegally, and they'll they just won't

450
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Speaker 11: change their mind.

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Speaker 3: By the way, do we know what was in that syringe?

452
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Speaker 2: No?

453
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Speaker 8: No, I'm not quite sure what was in that syringe.

454
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Speaker 3: She hasn't stuffered any any harm, is she?

455
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Speaker 8: Uh? Not? To my knowledge?

456
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Speaker 3: Okay, so most likely. I mean, if it smells like vinegar,

457
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Speaker 3: maybe it was just in Again, listen, Bigfoot? Is this

458
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Speaker 3: a joke?

459
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Speaker 8: I don't know.

460
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Speaker 11: Do you believe in Bigfoot? Do you believe in this?

461
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Speaker 11: I do, hand on heart. I believe in big hoes.

462
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Speaker 11: Why it's fine. I just I want to believe. There's

463
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Speaker 11: some things in life. I believe in the Lockness Monster.

464
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Speaker 11: I believe in Bigfoot right now. I mean, there's a

465
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Speaker 11: story of this marine that is a former marine. He

466
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Speaker 11: spotted Bigfoot on a base in Quantico, Virginia. His name

467
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Speaker 11: is Andrew Bird. He wasn't the only person that observed

468
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Speaker 11: this whatever it was at neither were a couple of

469
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Speaker 11: other marines with him. It was on a restricted military

470
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Speaker 11: training area. He says, we observed a couple of trees.

471
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Speaker 11: They were bending towards one another. We looked up twenty

472
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Speaker 11: to thirty feet above the ground there was a large,

473
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Speaker 11: hairy creature facing us. They were chased for twenty or

474
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Speaker 11: thirty seconds, he said. Unfortunately we left without an image

475
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Speaker 11: or other evidence of what we encountered. And that is

476
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Speaker 11: the problem, my friend, of these encounters, isn't it Nobody

477
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Speaker 11: seems to have a camera when they need one.

478
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Speaker 3: When its when it matters. Dan, Thank you, Den, Thank you,

479
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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchison, you is correspondent. Do we do we believe

480
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Speaker 3: in bigfoot? I mean, think about that? Twenty to thirty feet?

481
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Speaker 3: What's that? A goodly tall man is six feet, so

482
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Speaker 3: that's like three men and the minimum three men, maximum

483
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Speaker 3: five men? Hi, what do we think eighteen away from five?

484
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Speaker 2: Ever?

485
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Speaker 3: Duplicy Ellen Coco GoF now this I should have mentioned

486
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Speaker 3: this earlier because we were talking about the tennis with Darcy.

487
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Speaker 3: There are calls for panic rooms without cameras at major

488
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Speaker 3: tennis events because basically the players, it would appear, need

489
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Speaker 3: somewhere to go and privately smash their rackets. Now this

490
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Speaker 3: is on account I don't know if you've caught up

491
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Speaker 3: on this with Coco Gov. But Coco GoF Coco Gov

492
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Speaker 3: makes a real effort to kind of, you know, control

493
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Speaker 3: her temper on the court, and she has in the

494
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Speaker 3: past smashed a racket and hasn't gone very well. So

495
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Speaker 3: because she was knocked out at the quarterfinals, she got

496
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Speaker 3: pretty upset about that. So she took herself off to

497
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Speaker 3: a place where she thought there were no cameras and

498
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Speaker 3: just let that racket have it, and she smashed that

499
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Speaker 3: racket on the ground and just let out all of

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Speaker 3: her anger into the racket. Unfortunately for her, there were

501
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Speaker 3: cameras caught it and broadcasters. She said subsequently it shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have been broadcast. But as a result of that, there

503
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Speaker 3: are now there's a discussion about whether actually players venting

504
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Speaker 3: the frustration at their own performance on the racket should

505
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Speaker 3: actually be left off the tally and should they have

506
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Speaker 3: the panic ROMs. I'm just gonna say this, and I'm

507
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Speaker 3: gonna take us to the huddle later on because I'm

508
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Speaker 3: interested in what other people think. But I actually think no,

509
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Speaker 3: I think I want to see this because the problem

510
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Speaker 3: that I have with rugby is that it is so

511
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Speaker 3: sanitized to the point that there is nothing to I

512
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Speaker 3: don't know who's a good guy or a bad guy

513
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Speaker 3: unless I'm talking to the sports boys. They tell me

514
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Speaker 3: a lot of gossip, but I don't know who's the

515
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Speaker 3: good boy, who's the bad boy, Which of them are

516
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Speaker 3: having fights with each other, which of them are like

517
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Speaker 3: snorting cocaine at the week here and bubbling in their

518
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Speaker 3: own mouths like the NRL. But that stuff is interesting, right,

519
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Speaker 3: That's why we like rugby league. There's none of that

520
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Speaker 3: in rugby. And if you start taking this out of tennis,

521
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Speaker 3: then it's just going to become as boring as rugby.

522
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Speaker 3: What do you think anyway, We'll talk to the old um.

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Speaker 3: You can tell me, and I'm gonna talk to the

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Speaker 3: huddle later sixteen away from five barri Soopers.

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Speaker 1: Next politics with Centric Credit, check your customers and get

526
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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Just a reminder, Judith Collins is going to be with

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Speaker 3: us just after five o'clock on her resignation right now,

529
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Speaker 3: thirteen away from five and Barry Sooba chiefly correspondence with

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Speaker 3: US Hype area, Good afternoon, Heather and on Judith Collins.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it came as a surprise.

532
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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't a surprise. It wasn't a surprise.

533
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Speaker 7: We heard about it over dinner last night.

534
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Speaker 3: We were having dinner with somebody last night who will

535
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Speaker 3: remain nameless, and they accidentally said Judith Collins is going

536
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Speaker 3: to resign. And when I said, oh really, they were like.

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Speaker 7: Look, sorry, she's been there a long time.

538
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not so Yeah, it got a lot a

539
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Speaker 3: good job.

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Speaker 7: For her to go to the President of the Law Commission.

541
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Speaker 7: I think that's great, you know, because it was held

542
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Speaker 7: for a number of years by Sir Jeffrey Palmer, who

543
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Speaker 7: was very much a studious professorial head of the Commission.

544
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Speaker 7: And I think she will bring maybe a bit of

545
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Speaker 7: a human touch to her bit more than what Sir

546
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Speaker 7: Jeffrey did. But look, I've always been fascinated by Judith

547
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Speaker 7: Collins over the years because you know, when she's telling

548
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Speaker 7: you a joke, she raises her eyebrow, and I think

549
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Speaker 7: the only reason she's done that is that she can't

550
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Speaker 7: borrow her brow if you get what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Are you suggesting Barry her facial.

552
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Speaker 7: Movements are very limited?

553
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Speaker 3: As he's suggesting Barry that Judith was partial to the

554
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Speaker 3: old boat.

555
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Speaker 7: I could not say that at all.

556
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Speaker 3: Heither, But nothing wrong with a bit of boats in

557
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Speaker 3: a woman's face. She's in a man's face.

558
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Speaker 7: Sign looking woman, and she'll be fine on the lawal Commission.

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Speaker 9: Ben.

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Speaker 7: You remember when she came to power in the National

561
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Speaker 7: Party was a tumultuous time in the party. Simon Bridges

562
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Speaker 7: had been dumped in favor of Told Muller, who lasted

563
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Speaker 7: fifty three days before Judith picked up the cultural and

564
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Speaker 7: ran the election against Jitindad in twenty twenty. She said,

565
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Speaker 7: that's a low point, and of course it will be

566
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Speaker 7: because the Labor Party went on to have unbridled power

567
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Speaker 7: for the next three years and look what happened there.

568
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Speaker 7: So I wish that Judith was maybe a bit more

569
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Speaker 7: successful in twenty twenty than what she was. But look

570
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Speaker 7: in her time, and she held eighteen portfolios, and I've

571
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Speaker 7: often thought her favorite portfolio, and she dided it this afternoon.

572
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Speaker 7: Her favorite one is defense, and not for the reason

573
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Speaker 7: she admitted that she got more money for defense finally

574
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Speaker 7: because it was going to happen probably anyway. But I

575
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Speaker 7: reckon secretly she would have liked to have been a

576
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Speaker 7: field marshal or a rear admiral or you know, she

577
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Speaker 7: loved pushing around the big brass and defense.

578
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Speaker 3: But do you not think it is actually as simple

579
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Speaker 3: as you know, you look at the state of the

580
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Speaker 3: world and you realize that that is a portfolio that's

581
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Speaker 3: actually going to make a potentially a significant difference to

582
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Speaker 3: New Zealand spending on defense.

583
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Speaker 7: Why she liked the police as well, because the top

584
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Speaker 7: brass there are always good to have. Jack look anyway,

585
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Speaker 7: even I got to mention at her resignation press conference

586
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Speaker 7: today for coming up with her nickname. Have A listened

587
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Speaker 7: when she was asked where it came from.

588
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Speaker 2: That's very so.

589
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Speaker 1: I think he's confessed.

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Speaker 16: I've never used it, but I've never objected if people

591
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Speaker 16: used it, because there's no point in politics. As long

592
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Speaker 16: as they're calling you something, it's probably better than calling

593
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Speaker 16: you nothing.

594
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Speaker 2: So I've never worried about it.

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Speaker 17: I also think could sent a message, so that was

596
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Speaker 17: quite good.

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Speaker 7: And of course that was crusher, And it was when

598
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Speaker 7: they legislated to have boy races. Cars crushed Judith, I

599
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 7: believe only got to crush one standing over it in

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Speaker 7: her stiletto's and watching the boom come down on some

601
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Speaker 7: boy's pride and joy. So it was crusher. It stuck

602
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Speaker 7: with her, and it gave her a Philly hard image.

603
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Speaker 7: But as we all know, those of us who know

604
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Speaker 7: Judith God's quite well, she had another very sociable, enjoyable

605
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Speaker 7: and humorous side to it.

606
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Speaker 3: It sounds like Winston Peters's being difficult about the polls again.

607
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Speaker 7: Well, look, I laughed when I saw the poll last night.

608
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Speaker 7: I thought, you know, Winston will be privately crowing on

609
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Speaker 7: in his office, and the bee Hive held a party

610
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Speaker 7: last night because you know, twelve percent he's looking on. Sorry,

611
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 7: he's about the same as the Green's about ten percent

612
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 7: in the aarn Z pole, but higher than the other

613
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Speaker 7: taxpayer union pole. So he will be crowing. But look,

614
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Speaker 7: even though he was climbing in opinion polls, in recent

615
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 7: opinion polls, Peters couldn't give a tinker's cuss, or so

616
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Speaker 7: it seems about the rise and the polls haven't listened

617
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Speaker 7: to him talking to Ryan Bridge, taking him to task

618
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Speaker 7: basically for even asking him a question about his latest

619
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Speaker 7: bump in the polls.

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Speaker 14: Now, you were told before we came on this program

621
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Speaker 14: that I don't waste my time talking about unprofessional polls.

622
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Speaker 14: I'll tell you why no one gives a professional dun

623
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Speaker 14: about telling these people the truth and so I'm not

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Speaker 14: going to engage with them in that context. And I'm

625
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Speaker 14: doing it for the same reason that others had done

626
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Speaker 14: in the past. But I've got a political science degree

627
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Speaker 14: and I've been in Polis a long time, and I

628
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 14: hate this inaccuracy or third world behavior when it comes

629
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Speaker 14: to polling.

630
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Speaker 3: Did you just say third world behavior? Yes, they don't

631
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Speaker 3: spend their money on the home, they don't have it.

632
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Speaker 7: Well, the issue here is you don't ask on someon

633
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Speaker 7: about poles, do you, Even though he's privately rejoicing no

634
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 7: doubt in the polls and if they translated onto election day,

635
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 7: he'd be more than happy.

636
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Speaker 3: Sure we would bury. Thanks very much, appreciate a very

637
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Speaker 3: so for Chief political Correspondent, Will rather Senior political correspondence

638
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Speaker 3: eight Away from five.

639
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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: The broad costing standards authority calls for new laws. Stacy

641
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Speaker 18: Wood is the chief executive of the BSA. If I

642
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Speaker 18: was the minister in charge of this, and even if

643
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Speaker 18: I set you down and said, look, I agree with you,

644
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Speaker 18: so let's do something about it, I don't know where

645
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Speaker 18: we start and where we stop.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, And successive government have headday challenge.

647
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Speaker 19: We just don't think doing nothing is indego any longer.

648
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Speaker 18: Are you more worried about the accuracy stuff or the

649
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Speaker 18: sort of the morals, the language, all that kind of thing.

650
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Speaker 17: Yeah, good taste and decency sort of become a lassifican

651
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Speaker 17: for audiences.

652
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Speaker 2: I've been back a week and a half. Have you

653
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Speaker 2: got any complaints about me?

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Speaker 19: I'm not so far, but you know I keep going.

655
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Speaker 18: Nice to talk to you back tomorrow at six am

656
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Speaker 18: the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News talk zib.

657
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Speaker 3: Hither you need to go have a nosey at a

658
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: YouTube channel called a Flash of Beauty. It's Bigfoot witnesses

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Speaker 3: telling their story. It definitely changed my mind on it. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: we'll see if I can find something. Actually, do you

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Speaker 3: know what? I'll see if I can find some time.

662
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Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna lie to you. In two days time,

663
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Speaker 3: what I'm going to spend my time doing is watching

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Speaker 3: the Millenia documentary. I am here for the Millennia documentary.

665
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Speaker 3: I'm weirdly I'm turning into a fan of Millennia just

666
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Speaker 3: because of that low level trolling that she does of

667
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Speaker 3: Donald the whole time, which I find I find really amusing,

668
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: because look, an anybody who's married knows that from time

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Speaker 3: to time what you really want to do is sort

670
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Speaker 3: of just lean across and I don't know, like strangulation,

671
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Speaker 3: do you know, I don't know, like shove a fork

672
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Speaker 3: in the eye something like you want to do that.

673
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Speaker 3: You've just got these immense feelings of frustration and anger,

674
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Speaker 3: but she just channels it with hats and hands swats

675
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Speaker 3: as anyway. I'm here for it, however, so I'm loving

676
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: her low level trolling. However, it sounds like the people

677
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Speaker 3: involved with the documentary are already feeling bad about being

678
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Speaker 3: involved in the documentary, because a whole bunch of the

679
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Speaker 3: crew have spoken to Rolling Stone magazine and they're already

680
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Speaker 3: hoping that the thing is a flop. Apparently, two thirds

681
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Speaker 3: of the crew, who are based in New York, requested

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Speaker 3: that their names not be added to the film's credits

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Speaker 3: because they're ashamed of being associated with it. It required

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Speaker 3: really long hours for them to work. It was very

685
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Speaker 3: very disorganized, very chaotic. Mostly they're taking their frustration out

686
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Speaker 3: on the director, Brett Ratner, who they say is slimy

687
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Speaker 3: and just I mean they do sounded they seem a

688
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Speaker 3: bit annoying. This a lot actually complaining about his eating

689
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Speaker 3: habits and stuff like that. However, what they say of

690
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: her is she's boring but totally nice. So put that

691
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Speaker 3: in your diary for two days time, Milania, and then

692
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Speaker 3: after that you're going to want to watch the YouTube

693
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Speaker 3: flash of Beauty about Bigfoot sef you're convinced Judith Collins

694
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Speaker 3: is with us next and then after that in New

695
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Speaker 3: Zealand on the Big strikee ne Stik ZB.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find a fag sack and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: Power of Satellite Mobile NEWSTALKB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Well Luxan warned us about retiring cabinet members

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Speaker 3: and we have our first. Judith Collins has announced that

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Speaker 3: she's quitting politics and heading off to become the Boss

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Speaker 3: of the Law Commission. She's been in Parliament since two

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Speaker 3: thousand and two. She served in multiple portfolios and even

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Speaker 3: briefly led to the National Party. So let's talk to her. Hi, Judith, Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: Why now, well.

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Speaker 17: I've done twenty four years, twelve years in opposition, twelve

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Speaker 17: in government. We're in a really good position. I love

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Speaker 17: the portfolios and I feel like I'm really on a

710
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Speaker 17: high and it's a great position. I'm moving to as

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Speaker 17: President of the Law Commission, something I've long looked at

712
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Speaker 17: and thought, oh, I'd be great in that role. So

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Speaker 17: it's a good opportunity, good timing.

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Speaker 3: Is this something that you had thought about last year

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Speaker 3: and then mulled over summer and decided on this year.

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Speaker 3: Does it work like that.

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Speaker 17: Absolutely, I've been thinking about it for quite some time,

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Speaker 17: and Prime Minister and I have been discussing it for

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Speaker 17: a while because I discussed it with him. I brought

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Speaker 17: it up and said, I think this would be a

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Speaker 17: great role, and actually I can't stay forever. It's twenty

722
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Speaker 17: four years as a hell of a long time in politics.

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Speaker 3: Did he try to talk you out of him?

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Speaker 17: Oh, he certainly didn't want me to go, which I

725
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Speaker 17: think is really nice. But he is very understanding of

726
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Speaker 17: the fact that, as you know, politics is really hard

727
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Speaker 17: on people's families and also the of a personal life

728
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Speaker 17: or any time, so I think he is very aware

729
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Speaker 17: of that. So I think he, you know, he's been great.

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Speaker 3: What did your husband say when you told him that

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Speaker 3: this was happening.

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Speaker 17: Well, I think my husband was very much behind me

733
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Speaker 17: doing something else, And look, I think that it'll be

734
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Speaker 17: a good opportunity for me just to refresh, because I'm

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Speaker 17: pretty much over politics now. I really enjoy the toy

736
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Speaker 17: general side, defense or that I've tried, and security agencies.

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Speaker 17: I've pretty much tried to depoliticize a whole lot, which

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Speaker 17: probably explains where I think I've had about one or

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Speaker 17: two parliamentary questions in the last two in a years.

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Speaker 17: So I'm just I'm just getting the job done as

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Speaker 17: best I can, not making too much of us.

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Speaker 3: Is that a maturity thing? Do you think you're at

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Speaker 3: the start? I'd imagine that it's kind of you know

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Speaker 3: that the cut and thrust in the game of politics

745
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: is quite intoxicating, But as you get along and try

746
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Speaker 3: to get stuff done and get older, it just gets annoying.

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Speaker 3: I'd imagine.

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Speaker 17: Well, I find that it gets in the way of

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Speaker 17: getting the job done, and when I think about the portfolios,

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Speaker 17: I have a moment, which are all so much, so

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Speaker 17: interesting and very The best way for me to help

752
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Speaker 17: bring about positive change is to get as much coss

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Speaker 17: Party support as possible, and that sort of negates going

754
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Speaker 17: after people in terms of the politics of it. It's

755
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Speaker 17: actually about trying to say, can we get a general agreement.

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Speaker 17: I think if I look at the Defense Capability Plan

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Speaker 17: that we got through last year, that was an enormous

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Speaker 17: increase for defense and our understanding of our place of

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Speaker 17: the world and security needed. But we aw briefly opposition.

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Speaker 17: We've got a pretty good response from them. I've done

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Speaker 17: that in other things on space and in security agencies.

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Speaker 17: I found that I've been getting a good response because

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Speaker 17: I'm not politicizing it, and I just it is maturity.

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Speaker 17: But I think it's also the seriousness of these portfolios.

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Speaker 3: If you could have done anything differently in the last

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Speaker 3: twenty four years, what would it have been.

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Speaker 17: Well, there have been times when I've thought, gosh, why

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Speaker 17: did I put myself into this situation? That was a

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Speaker 17: bit stupid, But I would say it's incredibly interesting and

770
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Speaker 17: funded and also meet so many people, go so many places,

771
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Speaker 17: get to see stuff we never see otherwise. But the

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Speaker 17: one thing I would do would be not to take

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Speaker 17: on the leadership of the National Party in twenty twenty

774
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Speaker 17: when we're in a COVID pandemic, and anything I said

775
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Speaker 17: saying that the government hadn't done something right was then

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Speaker 17: picked up and I was accused of essentially part of

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Speaker 17: the country of trying to kill people. I thought that

778
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Speaker 17: was the hospital pass from hell, and I knew it

779
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Speaker 17: was a hostile pass now, and I still did it,

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Speaker 17: even though my husband was saying, don't do that, and

781
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Speaker 17: I thought, well, who's going to do it if I don't,

782
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Speaker 17: So here we go. I did it, but you know

783
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Speaker 17: it was probably not helpful. But look, there's no point

784
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Speaker 17: having regret to just get on, don't you.

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Speaker 3: What's done is done now. I spoke to you one time,

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Speaker 3: I can't remember when it was. It was a summer mate,

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Speaker 3: maybe it was the summer after the leadership actually twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: and you said you were going to write a like

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Speaker 3: a murder mystery or something, a thriller.

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Speaker 17: Oh yeah, I have to do that, but I haven't

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Speaker 17: actually done anything on it. And it's primarily because I've

792
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Speaker 17: had seven portfolios running plus being the MP for Papacora.

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Speaker 17: I mean, what time do I have that's my weekend? Well,

794
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Speaker 17: now you've got time working papers were or not yet

795
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Speaker 17: I'm still the Minister. I'm still getting the job done.

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Speaker 17: I've still got seven portfolios. And the other thing is like, oh,

797
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 17: have plenty of other things to write at the Law Commission.

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Speaker 17: So we'll see. But I think for my summer holiday

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Speaker 17: maybe next year I could start on it. That would

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Speaker 17: be quite cool. A mered industry, I think would be fun.

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Speaker 17: And I really liked the work that Rachel Paris has done.

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Speaker 17: No there is a that's a good job and a

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Speaker 17: great book. She's written a great book and I thought,

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Speaker 17: oh gosh, I wonder if I could write something like that,

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Speaker 17: So I must talk to her about it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Judith, thank you very much for your time,

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Speaker 3: and go well Judith Collins. And by the way, the

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Speaker 3: book that Judith was just talking about is Rachel Parris's

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Speaker 3: Murder Mystery See how They Fall thirteen past five.

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Speaker 2: Ever duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So there is a warning that interest rates could start

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Speaker 3: rising as early as May. The warnings come from Inframetrics

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Speaker 3: Sprad Olson, and he's with us. Happy New Year, Brad.

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Speaker 2: Same to you here.

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Speaker 3: That Okay, now let me see if I've got this right.

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Speaker 3: You still think most likely it starts rising in November,

817
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Speaker 3: but there's an outside chance it starts rising as early

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Speaker 3: as May.

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Speaker 15: Yep, that's broadly correct. At the moment we think the

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Speaker 15: conditions will come through this year. That means that, yes,

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Speaker 15: interest rates will have to rise, but not sort of

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Speaker 15: as quickly. But we've sort of highlighted this potential around

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Speaker 15: May just because after that inflation figure that came out

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Speaker 15: on Friday, we've had a lot of questions from people saying, well,

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Speaker 15: you know, how quickly might things have to adjust? And look,

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Speaker 15: I've had a few people in the business community go, well,

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Speaker 15: does this mean that the February monetary policy statement from

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Speaker 15: the Reserve Bank do they have to you know, whipsaw

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Speaker 15: around that quickly. And that's why we've just wanted to

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Speaker 15: highlight that, No, it won't have to happen that quick

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Speaker 15: You'd need even stronger continue data to come through before

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Speaker 15: the Reserve Bank would make such an abrupt change, and

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Speaker 15: the earliest you'd probably have enough data to sort of

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Speaker 15: convince yourself as the bank that they need to move

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Speaker 15: quicker would be made. So that's sort of the start

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Speaker 15: of the bookcase, if you will, and then going all

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Speaker 15: way through the end of this year in terms of potential,

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Speaker 15: But at the moment it does look like it's more

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Speaker 15: that latter half. Regardless, though, expectations are clearly starting to

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Speaker 15: become earlier than everyone expected in terms of those interest

841
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Speaker 15: rate hikes, and that's only on the official cash rate.

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Speaker 15: Actual bank rates for longer term mortgages have already started

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Speaker 15: an increase a touch already this year.

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Speaker 3: How much of your prediction factors in the fact that

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Speaker 3: Anna Brennan is reasonably hawkish.

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Speaker 15: Well, in a sense we've sort of taken a fairly

847
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Speaker 15: neutral view there because we haven't heard her speak very

848
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Speaker 15: directly on New Zealand data and what that means of

849
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Speaker 15: her observations of the economy and inflation. But we'll hear

850
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Speaker 15: a lot more of that sort of come February and

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Speaker 15: we will adjust our views then. But I think, probably

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Speaker 15: most importantly, when heither of you've seen inflation outside the

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Speaker 15: target band and the Reserve Bank not starting to have

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Speaker 15: to get going a bit quicker and probably realistically this

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Speaker 15: view reinforces what we were saying in at least October,

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Speaker 15: if not earlier, that further interest rate cuts below three

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Speaker 15: percent really did start to create an uncomfortable spot where

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Speaker 15: we're probably going to as we've done the last couple

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Speaker 15: of years keep overdoing this sort of either stimulus or

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Speaker 15: the contraction that comes from in the economy to try

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Speaker 15: and get us on an even keel. And I dare

862
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Speaker 15: suspect that if we look back at last year's changes,

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Speaker 15: we probably should have stopped at three because all of

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Speaker 15: those interest rate cuts after that they haven't hit the

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Speaker 15: economy yet. And if we're already at three point one percent,

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Speaker 15: it does make me uncomfortable that that inflationary pressure is

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Speaker 15: already more intense than anyone would like it.

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Speaker 3: Brad, it's good to talk to you, I suppose, despite

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Speaker 3: the topic. Thank you very much, Brad Olson. Informetric's principle

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Speaker 3: economist right, let's deal with Air New Zealand and the

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Speaker 3: strike next sixteen past five Hither. What Brad fails to

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Speaker 3: mention is that wholesale rates are already well off the

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Speaker 3: lows of October. They're up sixty eight basis points already,

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Speaker 3: So the last cup wasn't inflationary at all, which is

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Speaker 3: a fair point to make. Listen, Mahe Drysdale has confirmed

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Speaker 3: that there were council staff already on site of that

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Speaker 3: landslip before the landslip came down. He's going to be

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Speaker 3: with us after the half past news right now, it's

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Speaker 3: nineteen past five. Now do you remember the strike by

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Speaker 3: Air New Zealand cabin crew that was all set to

881
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Speaker 3: ruin Christmas until it was called off the strikers back.

882
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Speaker 3: A union representing cabin CRUI says International Cabin Cruise will

883
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Speaker 3: strike on flights internationally obviously between eleven and thirteen February.

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Speaker 3: Nicky Dines is Air New Zealand's chief people officer and

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Speaker 3: with us now, hi Niki hi hennah. Do you know

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Speaker 3: yet which flights are going to be affected to which destinations?

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Speaker 19: Yes, sir, our team was working that at this stage.

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Speaker 19: We're obviously hoping to avoid the strike by continuing discussions,

889
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 19: but it will be impacts to the flights across each

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00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 19: of those three days, okay.

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Speaker 3: In what proportion of flights? Is it a huge number

892
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Speaker 3: or a small number.

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Speaker 19: If the strike does proceed as planned, it would be

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Speaker 19: all of the flights impacted on those days, But we're

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Speaker 19: obviously work to find options for customers either side of

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Speaker 19: those days.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, the union says part of the reason that

898
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Speaker 3: the cabin crew are striking is because they're constantly dealing

899
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Speaker 3: with customers complaining about things that in New Zealand could

900
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Speaker 3: actually fix things like canceled flight seats that don't work,

901
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Speaker 3: lack of catering. Are they wrong?

902
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 19: Our calculation rates actually are back to pre COVID levels.

903
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 17: What we see, it's hard.

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Speaker 19: For us to do much about weather, so we've been

905
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Speaker 19: focusing on recovering really quickly and well in those events

906
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Speaker 19: of both cancelations. In terms of things on board the aircraft,

907
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Speaker 19: there are times when we do have issues on our aircraft,

908
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Speaker 19: but that's really the expert not the norm that's born

909
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Speaker 19: out really in our customer satisfaction rates, which are about

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Speaker 19: over ninety percent. We're halfway through refreshing all of our

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Speaker 19: cabins on our wide body fleets, so you do have

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Speaker 19: a few teething issues, but those are getting worked through

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Speaker 19: very quickly and resolved.

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Speaker 3: Right, So what's going to fix it, Nikki? Do you

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Speaker 3: reckon just paying them more?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 19: The gap between us we've been here for ten months

918
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Speaker 19: and we've been engaging every week and we've got through

919
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Speaker 19: a huge amount and there's a lot of things that

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Speaker 19: we've agreed on. The last remaining item is just on pay.

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Speaker 19: So that's the one item that we are continuing to

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Speaker 19: work with our Kevin Crewe unions on all right.

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Speaker 3: Good luck with it, Niki, Thanks very much, Nickiy dies in.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Chief People Officer Hea the Gat happens on

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Speaker 3: to explain the logic of paying billions on carbon credits

926
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Speaker 3: versus investing in the country. Thank you for raising it.

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Speaker 3: Let's deal with that. Next five to twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's heather duplicl and

929
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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand coverage.

930
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Speaker 2: Like no one else news talks, there'd.

931
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Speaker 3: Be five to twenty four so on the climate change.

932
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Speaker 3: Credit to David Seymore for basically saying out loud what

933
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Speaker 3: I wanted to say today. This is obviously with regards

934
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Speaker 3: to the slip in Mount Monganui. Quite rightly, that tragic

935
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Speaker 3: slip and the other problems around the country that were

936
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Speaker 3: caused by last week's where they has started a debate

937
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Speaker 3: about climate change, as it should. But the problem, as

938
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Speaker 3: far as I'm concerned, is that the debate has very

939
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Speaker 3: quickly become about blaming the national lead coalition for not

940
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Speaker 3: doing enough to cut climate emissions. Now, let's just understand this.

941
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Speaker 3: This is a statement of fact. New Zealand will never

942
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Speaker 3: prevent climate related disasters by cutting emissions. We simply cannot

943
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Speaker 3: cut enough to make any difference to the weather. We

944
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Speaker 3: are far too small. The only thing that we can

945
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Speaker 3: actually reasonably do is to find ways to live with

946
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Speaker 3: these new weather patterns. They are going to happen. You

947
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Speaker 3: just need to adapt to them. Which brings me to

948
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Speaker 3: David Seymour. He says the government has already spent around

949
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Speaker 3: a billion dollars on climate change adaptation, and that's what

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Speaker 3: he thinks the money should be spent on. He is

951
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Speaker 3: more in favor of spending money climate money on adaptation

952
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: rather mitigation. Now, in normal people's language, what that means

953
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Speaker 3: is he is more in favor of spending climate money

954
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Speaker 3: on adaptation, adapting to climate change, lifting roads, moving houses,

955
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Speaker 3: stabilizing banks, rather than trying to cut emissions. Which makes sense,

956
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: doesn't it. It makes complete sense. Cutting emissions as implanting trees

957
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Speaker 3: is going to cost this country somewhere in the order

958
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Speaker 3: of around twenty four to thirty billion dollars and it's

959
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Speaker 3: going to change nothing. We are too small. If what

960
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Speaker 3: has happened in Mount Montanui this year and the Esk

961
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Speaker 3: Valley three years ago freaks you out, then you've got

962
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Speaker 3: to admit we are surely better off taking that twenty

963
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Speaker 3: four to thirty billion dollars and spending on keeping ourselves

964
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Speaker 3: safe and our infrastructure standing, rather than trying to cut emissions,

965
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Speaker 3: which is going to do absolutely nothing. David Seymour, I

966
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Speaker 3: am prepared to say on this is bang on ever

967
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Speaker 3: up Ikea, I need to get you across IKEA. But

968
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Speaker 3: before I get to IKEA. On Judith Collins, it turns

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Speaker 3: out Drive Drive is a fan of Judith Collins. I'm

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Speaker 3: a fan of Judith Collins because I just I love

971
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Speaker 3: the fact that she's but on the naughty side. Sam

972
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Speaker 3: the producer is a fan of Judith Collins. Sam has

973
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Speaker 3: put together drives Goodbye to Judith Collins.

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Speaker 17: Where my eyebrow goes up.

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Speaker 9: It's a joke.

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Speaker 14: Will you.

977
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Speaker 2: Thinkin O basicity is a weakness is generally.

978
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Speaker 3: Brass you there are very few people in constantly road.

979
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Speaker 3: If it walks like a duck and it quacks like

980
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Speaker 3: a duck of not looking good?

981
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Speaker 2: Does it? Kids?

982
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Speaker 16: Standard I do the block can delete on trolls behind

983
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Speaker 16: the Mother of the House and you know Jerry Brown

984
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Speaker 16: is that you know the father and up sex platonic.

985
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Speaker 17: My husband is someone so tal.

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Speaker 3: Lord, he's going to be more. He's gone all lights

987
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Speaker 3: soppy with the Do you know what he should have done?

988
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Speaker 8: Though?

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Speaker 3: I reckon he missed the chance to fire the gun

990
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Speaker 3: at least one more time. What do you go on? That,

991
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Speaker 3: by the way, is actually Judith Collins firing the gun.

992
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Speaker 3: And you will notice she when they gave her again.

993
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Speaker 3: She just shouldn't just fire at once, say bang the

994
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Speaker 3: bang bang bang. Anyway, there you go to miss the magazine.

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Speaker 3: That's Maya Drysdal is with us next. He still sed b.

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Speaker 2: The day's newspakers. Talk to Heather first.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile news talk said by.

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Speaker 3: Modus This number okay. In the week between January twenty

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Speaker 3: and January twenty seven, there were twenty two applications to

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Speaker 3: put construction companies into liquidation, which is an extraordinary number.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to Malcolm Flirming, the chief executive of Certified

1003
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Speaker 3: Builders after six find out what's going on there. Huddle

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Speaker 3: is standing by be with us very shortly. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it's twenty four away from sex Now.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy, Alo, we now want.

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Speaker 3: Confirmation that, yes, it's true, todaing a City council did

1008
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Speaker 3: have staff at the side of the landslip before it happened.

1009
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Speaker 3: It's been confirmed earlier today by the mayor Marha Drysdale,

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Speaker 3: who's with us now, how Maha, Oh, good evenings. Before

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Speaker 3: I get to that, what's the deal with the evacuations today?

1012
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, we've had a situation where we've gone and

1013
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Speaker 20: assessed a water maine and there was a slip on

1014
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Speaker 20: Thursday night in Mangatawa, and unfortunately, there was quite a

1015
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Speaker 20: significant risk that that water main was compromised and could

1016
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Speaker 20: burst and if that happened, potentially cause a landslip with

1017
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Speaker 20: a reservoir above. So the good news is we've to

1018
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Speaker 20: pressurized that water maine now and we've just got the

1019
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 20: geotech experts up there at the moment to ensure that

1020
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 20: they're comfortable with the land stability. If that's the case,

1021
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 20: we'll get these people back to their homes.

1022
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Speaker 7: Okay.

1023
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: Now, on the major and fatal and very tragic landslipe

1024
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 3: that happened last week, how many staff did you have

1025
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Speaker 3: at the site before it happened.

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Speaker 20: Look, as we've said before, we're going to do an

1027
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Speaker 20: independent review, and the reason is we want to a

1028
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Speaker 20: stab all the facts. We want to put it all together.

1029
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 20: Where we're currently working on putting a number of documents online.

1030
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Speaker 20: We want to make as much information as we can

1031
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 20: public so so that you know, people can see the

1032
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Speaker 20: actual facts of the case.

1033
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 3: What are the documents you're putting online.

1034
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 20: Look, was a number of reports on slope stability. There

1035
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Speaker 20: is a number of things that the decisions we've made

1036
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Speaker 20: over time, so they'll be up on the website, so

1037
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Speaker 20: you know, people are actually talking about, you know what

1038
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Speaker 20: what actually happened. And we imagine that those documents will

1039
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Speaker 20: also form part of you know, any independent investigation and

1040
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Speaker 20: also form part of any any investigation by police, the coroner,

1041
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Speaker 20: you know, work safe. So all that information obviously, you know,

1042
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Speaker 20: we're just keen to have it in public so people

1043
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 20: are talking.

1044
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Speaker 3: Fact, what are the decisions that you made in the

1045
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Speaker 3: lead up to I think that these documents relate to.

1046
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Speaker 9: Oh, there's there's plenty of decisions. You know.

1047
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Speaker 20: This is a holiday park that we've as Tollingham City Council.

1048
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Speaker 20: We've we've had for you know probably I think it's

1049
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Speaker 20: from a fifty so seventy odd years and.

1050
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Speaker 3: You're not going to documents relating to seventy years of

1051
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Speaker 3: decisions on it, are you.

1052
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 20: No, Look at what we're trying to do is isolate

1053
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Speaker 20: them a little bit.

1054
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Speaker 9: But you know, there's a lot of information in some

1055
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Speaker 9: of the things that have happened.

1056
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Speaker 20: I know there's people talking about having trees removed and

1057
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Speaker 20: in the last couple of years. So yeah, we'll put

1058
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Speaker 20: all the information up where those trees were, what they were,

1059
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Speaker 20: what we knew about the slope hazards.

1060
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Speaker 3: And washokara that were taken out for mertial rust.

1061
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Speaker 20: Look again, that information will will make available, So we

1062
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Speaker 20: we're talking you know facts. Yeah, that's that's very much

1063
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Speaker 20: what we want to do.

1064
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Speaker 3: And the staff that you had on site ahead of

1065
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Speaker 3: the slip, why didn't they evacuate people?

1066
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Speaker 20: Yeah, Look again, we've got to look at all that

1067
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Speaker 20: and understand who they were and what their their jobs

1068
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 20: were and what they knew when. And as soon as

1069
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Speaker 20: we've established that, you know, the stuff that were there,

1070
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 20: they were they were in the process of of closing

1071
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 20: mart Mong Andui and putting fences up to stop the public.

1072
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Speaker 9: From going into the manger.

1073
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Speaker 20: And that's because there is there was a lot of

1074
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Speaker 20: slips that it was unsafe for for the public.

1075
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Speaker 3: Why the staff who took the one one one referral

1076
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Speaker 3: call ignore it?

1077
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 20: Look again, we'll establish that. I don't believe they they

1078
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Speaker 20: they ignored.

1079
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Speaker 3: It, didn't they because if they didn't ignore it, they

1080
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Speaker 3: would have evacuated people.

1081
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Speaker 20: Well, you know, and this is this is part of

1082
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Speaker 20: the information. Uh you know that related to a slip

1083
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 20: over the other side of of the campground. And you know,

1084
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Speaker 20: so that's what we need to establish and know what

1085
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 20: we're talking about and what actions would Why.

1086
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: Why continue to mark your own homework with your own

1087
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Speaker 3: inquiry if the government's already doing an inquiry?

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Speaker 9: What's the good question?

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Speaker 20: Look, we'll work closely with government, and I've spoken to

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Speaker 20: Minister Mitchell and the Prime Minister about this, and you

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Speaker 20: know that will now now that they've launched this investigation.

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Speaker 20: We're very supportive of it. And it's it's obviously another

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Speaker 20: step of independence. But there's a lot of questions that

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Speaker 20: we need to answer. You know, you've you've just asked

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Speaker 20: me a number of those and we want to know

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Speaker 20: the answers. And I'm not sure that the public, if

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Speaker 20: we answer those questions directly, will necessarily be be trusted,

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Speaker 20: so this is giving us an extra level of independence

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Speaker 20: and hopefully that will help them quickly.

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Speaker 3: Cool, Okay, when is your when is your inquiry going

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Speaker 3: to be out? How quickly?

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Speaker 20: I would say, we'll stand that up in the next

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Speaker 20: couple of days and we would have answers within probably

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Speaker 20: three to four months.

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Speaker 3: Okay, my heir, thanks very much. My head riis Delle

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Speaker 3: toting Am. It's nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 1: truly global brand.

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Speaker 3: Huddle of us this evening, Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union and

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings and Q and a

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Speaker 3: happy New Year, lads. I'm going to miss Judith Jiordan,

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Speaker 3: are you Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I think the National Party was JC a huge amount

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Speaker 10: of gratitude for picking up the proverbial and holding yourself

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Speaker 10: her head up high for what was always going to

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Speaker 10: be an absolute thrashing, and I think that she sticked

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Speaker 10: round to both recover her reputation do some interesting work.

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Speaker 10: You know, there's not no secret that Sheeps loves space.

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Speaker 3: Which is just a stupid portfolio to have.

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Speaker 10: Frankly, we've got enough of them, we've only got one

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Speaker 10: satellite which we lost. No, why are we still and

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Speaker 10: they haven't there?

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Speaker 7: What do you do with spaceman is still?

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Speaker 10: I look for it, but no, I mean she still

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Speaker 10: clearly has another career in her and leaves with both

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Speaker 10: reputation and time left. And that's that's good, you know, ultimately,

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Speaker 10: that is a successful parliamentary career. I'm pretty encouraged that

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Speaker 10: she's going to the Law Commission because the Law Commission

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Speaker 10: was used through the eighties and nineties for you know,

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Speaker 10: pointy headed reform. And one of the things that this

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Speaker 10: government has struggled with is the caliber of some of

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Speaker 10: the government departments. And there's no secret is you know,

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Speaker 10: not as sharp as it used to be, and the

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Speaker 10: Law Commission, frankly is underpowered. And I suspect that this is,

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Speaker 10: you know, this is the government lining up for another

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Speaker 10: term to be able to give complex problems and return

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Speaker 10: the Law Commission to a widely respected institution.

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Speaker 3: And she's a smart woman, She'll be able to deal

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Speaker 3: with it.

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Speaker 17: Jack.

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Speaker 3: I spent a bit of time thinking to asking myself

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Speaker 3: today what her greatest skill was. I reckon it was

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Speaker 3: the master she mastered the comeback don't you think.

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Speaker 21: I reckon she mastered the photowhop. I reckon, I reckon

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Speaker 21: she was a true master of the photo op In fact,

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Speaker 21: I was casting my mind back to my very first

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Speaker 21: interview with Judith Collins today. It was two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 21: March two thousand and nine, and Judish cons had just

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Speaker 21: she had just.

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Speaker 3: Said, he said it just so you wouldn't hear it anyway,

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Speaker 3: carry on.

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Speaker 21: She had just introduced her car crushing legislation. And I

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Speaker 21: was a fresh paced, keen reporter in christ which of

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Speaker 21: course had lots of boy racers at the time. And

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Speaker 21: so Judith Collins went along to a scrapyard and did

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Speaker 21: a photo shoot where she posed next to a car

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Speaker 21: being crushed. And always thought, ah, there's a politician who

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Speaker 21: appreciates the value of some good pictures for the TV

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Speaker 21: or for the newspaper. And there are a very few

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Speaker 21: more I think we could add to that over the years.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I think master of the.

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Speaker 21: Photo shoot, master of the comeback, and actually, regardless of

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Speaker 21: people's political position, I think someone who is regarded as

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Speaker 21: a committed, extremely competent and detail oriented minister, I think

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Speaker 21: she's been a really strong minister.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, she'll be there and loyal.

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Speaker 10: I mean I judge politicians very much on how they

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Speaker 10: treat their staff, and in fact, do you have treated

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Speaker 10: her stuff so well? They used the joke in the

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Speaker 10: John Key administration in that beehive that they had what's

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Speaker 10: the Stockholm syndrome? But I mean they propose. There's other

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Speaker 10: senior ministers that I judge harshy because they treat their

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Speaker 10: staff terribly and are not loyal.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 3: And she seems to be reasonably oyal to John Key

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Speaker 3: who punted her out for dirty politics and brought her

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Speaker 3: back and she's never really been able to clear the record.

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Speaker 10: The obvious implications though, is that for the first time,

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Speaker 10: it opens up a spot for National to bring in

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Speaker 10: some talent. There have been some very talented people sniffing

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Speaker 10: around that the NATS for which they simply can't offer

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Speaker 10: a seat nor a list position. This opens that up.

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Speaker 10: Have already had spoken to three people today that that

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Speaker 10: are sniffing around that that seat. I'm not not going

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Speaker 10: to say. And Daniel Newman, who's the other name floating around,

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Speaker 10: and he won't take my call, so obviously he doesn't

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Speaker 10: want to deny or get around the other person. But

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Speaker 10: of course the other problem, though it does present for

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Speaker 10: the National Party, is it again shows that this administration

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Speaker 10: or Parliament in general at the moment is very short

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Speaker 10: on experience.

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Speaker 3: Lawyers, a very good point. Okay, we'll take a break.

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Speaker 3: Come back shortly quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: All right, back with the huddle, Jack Tame Jordan williams

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Speaker 3: now Jack. Why looking at the pole that was leaked

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Speaker 3: today the taxpas union poll, why do people dislike Luxeon

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Speaker 3: so much?

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Speaker 21: It's a funny one, isn't it, Because he certainly had

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Speaker 21: the time to get to know him now he's been

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Speaker 21: in there long enough. I mean I just kind of

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Speaker 21: put my finger in the air and perceive it as

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Speaker 21: being a kind of authenticity gap And authenticity is the

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Speaker 21: word they use in media broadcasting. They use it in

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Speaker 21: politics as well, but call it charisma, call it authenticity.

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Speaker 21: For some reason, I just think voters don't see Christopher

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Speaker 21: Luxon as being authentic in the same way that they

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Speaker 21: feel other leaders in the past have been. And you know,

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Speaker 21: I think when he's compared as part of this government

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Speaker 21: with both of the leaders of his coalition partners. You know,

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Speaker 21: I think there's reason that the lights of New Zealand

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Speaker 21: first are up in the polls and nationals and the

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Speaker 21: low thirties at the moment. And yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 21: pretty tricky.

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Speaker 3: From what do you reckon, Jordan? Did you leak the pole?

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Speaker 14: Jew?

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Speaker 10: I I work out this morning to my head of comms,

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Speaker 10: panicked about this bloody story and and the with the

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Speaker 10: dom now whatever up the post it should be the

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Speaker 10: realm with anyway, And now I end the day having

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Speaker 10: to having to comment on a poll that wasn't supposed

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Speaker 10: to be leaked. I mean, we have about once a

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Speaker 10: year one of these things. And ironically both of you know,

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Speaker 10: because you've called and asked him a copy of our

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Speaker 10: that the actual full polling report, and I said, I

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Speaker 10: don't give it to you, but we have it goes

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Speaker 10: to our six hundred largest owners.

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Speaker 3: So find one of them. Okay, So why do people

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Speaker 3: dislike Chris lux and so much? Because can I be honest?

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Speaker 3: And like I looked at it and I thought, at best,

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Speaker 3: I'm just getting a bit of a meth about it,

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Speaker 3: Like he gets he gets a meth from me, but

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Speaker 3: not enough to be negative seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Look across the whole economy was crushing it.

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Speaker 21: If the economy was absolutely crushing.

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Speaker 7: It right now, that's right.

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Speaker 10: That isn't us, no, no, no, it's across the whole

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Speaker 10: Western world.

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Speaker 7: The leaders are really really low on.

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Speaker 10: Favorable because Kostarmach the same. All the leaders are really low.

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Speaker 10: The problem for Luxon is you're in a world now

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Speaker 10: where the zeitgeist, as we're talking about it off yet's

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Speaker 10: you know, stand for something, and whereas national have a hangover,

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Speaker 10: and particularly it's affected in Luxon from a corporate world

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Speaker 10: where we don't really stand for something. It's wishy washy,

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Speaker 10: and people see straight through that.

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Speaker 21: And look at Mark Kenney. Look at Mark Kearney having

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Speaker 21: having taken a stand for something from.

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Speaker 7: The word go, He's read the zign.

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Speaker 21: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 3: Popularity things, Yeah, okay, so can he do you think

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Speaker 3: Jordan's can.

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Speaker 10: He rescue it in the He does actually do it

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Speaker 10: often when the PM comes back from overseas and it's

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Speaker 10: passionate about we saw it on education, he said, I

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Speaker 10: see it on law and order and he gets that

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Speaker 10: it's finally right, We've got.

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Speaker 1: Someone we can do.

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Speaker 3: He knows where he stands on it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, And you're looking to get pushed over the

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Speaker 10: last week on the on the climate change stuff causing

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Speaker 10: a landslip with a chopped down the trees. I mean

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Speaker 10: there's been you know, dicycling bowler. There's always been landslips

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Speaker 10: in New Zealand. It's a nature of a young geography

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Speaker 10: and all of that. Just look, this is my theory.

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Speaker 10: We've not done. You know, the NATS and Labor actually

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Speaker 10: I know are doing huge amount of focus group stuff

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Speaker 10: now trying to find the vulnerabilities on the other side

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Speaker 10: and what the you know, features, benefits, meanings are for

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Speaker 10: the product they're selling.

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Speaker 7: That is what not what our pole looks for.

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Speaker 10: It is that it is the quantitative data for which

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Speaker 10: obviously this is the more detailed, granular time serious stuff that.

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Speaker 2: We give to our donors.

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Speaker 3: Can he rescue it in the election year course?

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Speaker 10: I mean the other side, I mean a Chris Sippins

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Speaker 10: isn't much better a few months. The more he's come

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Speaker 10: out the last few months, the less people like him.

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Speaker 3: They are each other's greatest assets. Do you think, Jack,

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Speaker 3: that Luxan can can rescue it and election.

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Speaker 21: You Yeah, I do. He actually campaigned extremely well two

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Speaker 21: and a half years ago, so let us not forget that.

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Speaker 21: But that being said, I would you know, I feel

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Speaker 21: like the time to have really improved in the eyes

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Speaker 21: of the public, and you know, being perceived as a

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Speaker 21: much more charismatic leader has probably passed. Like I say,

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Speaker 21: it's not like we don't know the guy yere.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, No one like Jimboljo. He went on to

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Speaker 10: when no one particularly loved Helen Clark.

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Speaker 3: Yeah at the start, but then we started liking her

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Speaker 3: because and we knew she she did stand for stuff

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Speaker 3: and we knew what she stood for. All right, let's

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Speaker 3: good to see well, good to see you, Jordan, good

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Speaker 3: to talk to you, Jack. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: your time talking in So that's Jordan and Jack our

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Speaker 3: huddle this evening. Seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper See allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 3: Heather. When my daughter worked at Parliament about ten years ago,

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Speaker 3: Judith Collins was in the restaurant bar area and would

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Speaker 3: ask for a glass of salve. And although she might

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Speaker 3: have had a hard day in the house and appeared

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Speaker 3: graph externally when the glass came back to her, she

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Speaker 3: would tap my daughter on the hand lightly and say, now, dear,

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Speaker 3: tell me how your day's been. And my daughter thought

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01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: of her as a lovely auntie. It's a memory that

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Speaker 3: she treasures. This is kind of what Barry was saying earlier.

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Speaker 3: There's a real graphic steria there, but actually quite a

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Speaker 3: fun person underneath it. All Heather leaders in the past

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Speaker 3: being authentic. Please just Cinda question mark mate, let me listen. Okay,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot we can Criticizecinda for like, oh, mate,

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Speaker 3: didn't read any books, I didn't really understand the economy,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But you cannot criticize Jacinda for

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Speaker 3: being an authentic. That actually was her master thing, right,

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 3: she was her mastermind topic was her own authenticity. That's

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Speaker 3: probably the thing that tricked us was that she one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent and truly believed all the things that she

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Speaker 3: was saying, but to the point that she may have

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Speaker 3: convinced us. And that wasn't a good idea because, as

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Speaker 3: I said, didn't read books, but authenticity had it in space.

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Speaker 3: Now I care, So I said, it was going to

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Speaker 3: run you through what Ike has done Ikea has just

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Speaker 3: announced it's hiring another eighty five staff for logistics and

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Speaker 3: food services, and it's adding evening shifts for stock replenishment.

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Speaker 3: Once it adds the eighty five staff, its workforce is

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Speaker 3: going to sit at five hundred and sixty one people,

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Speaker 3: which if you look at it and you credit and

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Speaker 3: you get them, we don't need that. Why do we

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Speaker 3: need that? Why do we need these these overseas guys

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Speaker 3: coming out wall. It's because they just gave jobs to

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Speaker 3: five hundred and sixty one kiwis. But that's not even

1333
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 3: the best. But they are also paying an entry level

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01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: rate of twenty nine dollars an hour, and if the

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Speaker 3: progress to the next level, it goes up to thirty one,

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Speaker 3: which is pretty good, isn't it. So anyway, I mentioned

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Speaker 3: it to the guys over here in the newsroom, in

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Speaker 3: the production team, and it turns out with it turns

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Speaker 3: out that most of the team here have done the

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Speaker 3: classic key we thing, which is when somebody opens something new,

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Speaker 3: we go, oh, we have to go immediately. So Michael

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: Michael went with his partner and ruined her trip because

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Speaker 3: it just complained the whole way through. Says he didn't

1344
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: like people touching him because it was so full, and

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01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 3: didn't like watching people lie on the beds. And then

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Speaker 3: when she was so he ruined the trip through the

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Speaker 3: I Care. And then when she wanted to buy a

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Speaker 3: snack for herself, because that's part of the ending, was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to wait in the line of callite,

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Speaker 3: and so he ruined the whole thing. Ants went there before.

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Speaker 22: It was probably one of the people lying in the

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Speaker 22: beds ruining Michael's trip to.

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Speaker 3: The Ants went there before Christmas to find something for

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01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: his sister, realized it was overwhelming and went went next

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Speaker 3: door and just bought bought a jigsaw puzzle from the

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Speaker 3: mall across the road. Do you know what? I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what though later on I'll tell you what some

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Speaker 3: of our team did buy, which is apparently a thing. Standbye.

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Speaker 2: What's up? What's down? What were the major calls? And

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Speaker 2: how will it affect the economy of big business?

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Speaker 1: Questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duper Sellen and

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Speaker 1: mass Insurance and investments Your future slipped good hands used

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Speaker 1: to zaid.

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Speaker 3: Be even in coming up in the next hour, do

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01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 3: you know tib Trainey with a warning again on who

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Speaker 3: pays for dodgy building work, Milford Asset Management on inflation rates.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to head over to the UK as

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Speaker 3: we always do at seven past six. Now it's a

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Speaker 3: bit of a hammer blow for the construction industry. The

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Speaker 3: year is not off to a great start. More than

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Speaker 3: twenty building and property related businesses have gone bust in

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Speaker 3: just a seven day stretch. Malcolm Fleming is the chief

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Speaker 3: executive of Certified Builders and is with us now Evening Malcolm.

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Speaker 5: Good evening, Heather, thanks for having me on you Schoela,

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Speaker 5: thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two and seven days does seem like a lot,

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Speaker 3: is it?

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Speaker 17: As much as it seems, it doesn't feel like that.

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Speaker 5: If I think about jo on Certified billings, we have

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Speaker 5: twenty three hundred members. Typically in a year we see

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Speaker 5: about six liquidations across the year. Last year was twenty one,

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01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 5: and that really is an indication of how challenging the

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01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 5: last two years have been for the industry. So far

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Speaker 5: this year we've seen the one are there members going

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 5: to liquidation? And any liquidation he is a bad news story.

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Speaker 5: It's devastating for the builder, the homeowner, the subtrades and

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Speaker 5: supply and obviously you'd like to see very few of

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Speaker 5: those numbers at any at all.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, I mean, obviously we've been through the

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Speaker 3: tough patch. Do you think if they're still sticking around

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Speaker 3: right now times are getting better or is it still

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01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: a bit of a grind.

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Speaker 5: That we're still seeing liquidations through into what really feels

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Speaker 5: like the start of an economic recovery. That was still

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 5: seeing them is not unusual. There'll be building firms have

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 5: taken on low margin projects or projects that they really

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01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 5: just shouldn't have taken on just to get through, to

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01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 5: keep their staff, to keep the wheels moving, and some

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01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 5: of them to stay in business over this very terrible

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Speaker 5: time this last two years, we've taken on debt levels

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Speaker 5: to stay afloat and the belief that things would turn around.

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01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 5: And certainly this isn't an indictment that went on Diament

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 5: an example that they're still flowing on through. They haven't

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01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 5: been on to hang on long enough for the recovery

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01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 5: really is starting to feel as underway.

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Speaker 3: Now, when do you reckon we're going to start spending

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Speaker 3: on building.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm just trying to see that builders are starting

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01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 5: to get themselves thinking about growth and there's a couple

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01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 5: of points of data can point to last week's seat

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Speaker 5: Darket data, for example, talked about a large spike in

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01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 5: construction jobs being advertised. But if I look close to

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01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 5: the home a certified builders own data across the month

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01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 5: of January, we're up fifty percent on our members downloading

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Speaker 5: employment contracts, which is one of the membership benefits. And

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01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 5: that's indicating well good proxy that they're it's going to

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01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 5: feel comfortable about expanding their business because they have a

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01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 5: work popeline of work starting to build up.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: running us through at Malcolm Flemming and some good news.

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Speaker 3: They're certified Building Chief Executive ten.

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Speaker 2: Pars six together Dupless album.

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Speaker 3: This is just back to the Luxe and question hither

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 3: I'm a blue collar worker in power infrastructure. The reason

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01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 3: we don't like lux anders because all he talks about

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 3: his business and the economy, and it never talks about us,

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Speaker 3: Which is an interesting way of phrasing it, because I

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Speaker 3: would have thought talking about the economy is pretty much

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 3: talking about all of us, isn't it. And we all

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 3: are the economy, aren't we. However, there is something in

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 3: that because I don't know if you if you remember,

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 3: but I talked last year about how Winston Peters is

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 3: the only person which was something that was pointed out

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Speaker 3: to me. It wasn't a novel idea by me. Somebody

1435
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 3: pointed out and I pointed it out to you then,

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 3: that Winston Peters is the only one at the moment

1437
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 3: really talking to working class people right, blue collar. He's

1438
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 3: cutting through, he's talking to them, which is why he's

1439
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 3: doing so well in the polls. The problem and there

1440
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 3: is something in the fact that Chris Luxon does have

1441
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 3: he's the prime manager. Right, here's the managerial speak. So

1442
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 3: for a lot of people, it just makes no sense

1443
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: at all. Now, okay, so I here, so two of

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01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 3: our staff members, who I will remind you we employ

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 3: people legally in this company, right, so everybody who's employed

1446
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 3: in this company is an adult. Right, Well, there's no

1447
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 3: child labor going on here. So these are adults that

1448
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. Two of our staff members, Sam and Locke,

1449
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 3: two male staff members, went to Ikea and came away

1450
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: with one item each. And the item that they came

1451
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 3: away with this is apparently because we all were like

1452
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 3: Swedish meat balls, no, no, or like the blue bag

1453
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 3: that Chris lux No, what you want to buy when

1454
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 3: you go to Ikea is the Jingles cork.

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 7: The bear.

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Speaker 3: It's a gigantic but it's a gigantic brown bear. Apparently,

1457
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 3: if you know your Ikea better than just like us

1458
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 3: average punters who know nothing about it. If you know

1459
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 3: your Ikea, you know that you need to go and

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 3: buy the giant bear. This giant bear is big enough

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01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 3: for I reckon a four year old would kind of

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01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: be able to like it would crowd out a four

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 3: year old. You could you could lay a four year

1464
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 3: old on the ground and you could lay the bear

1465
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 3: on top and you you wouldn't see the child, Like

1466
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 3: it's big enough to cover him entirely. This bear thirty

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Speaker 3: nine dollars ninety nine. Now I'm going to tell you

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 3: thirty nine dollars ninety nine for a gigantic bear of

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Speaker 3: that size, I think is a bargain. This brown bear

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Speaker 3: always greets you with open arms, cuddly like no other,

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Speaker 3: and with a lovely giant's stomach where you can feel

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Speaker 3: safe resting.

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Speaker 7: So there you go.

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01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 3: If you go to Ikea and have and like Michael

1475
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 3: and ants just before, have absolutely no idea what to buy?

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: It's the brown Bear twelve past six, It's the Heather Duper.

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Speaker 3: We all do it, ah. We overthink the big things,

1480
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 3: the job security, the mortgage rates, or that lump in

1481
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: our neck, but we overthink the little things as well,

1482
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 3: like what night has beens night Tuesday night for the husband?

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Speaker 3: Why has cheese become a luxury item? But as a

1484
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Speaker 3: member of this New Zealand grown member owne mutual, you

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Speaker 3: can rest easy knowing your future is in good hands.

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Speaker 3: year in a row, MAZ members have voted them consumer

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Speaker 3: People's Choice for house contents and car insurance. MAZ offers

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Speaker 3: dot Co dot NZ together do for c len right

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Speaker 3: now at a sixteen past six right Brendan Larsen, Milford

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Speaker 3: Assett Management, High Brendan Evening, Heather Brendan. So it's been

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Speaker 3: a little while since, of course the Reserve Bank had

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01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 3: indicated to us that's the end of the easing cycle.

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Speaker 3: How do you reckon the economies transpired since then?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, that's right. The otheran Z sort of ended the

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 23: year pretty happy with where they've got cash rates to

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01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 23: what we've sort of seen so far this year has

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Speaker 23: been reasonably encouraging. So on the growth front, we've had

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Speaker 23: a number of positive data points. The manufacturing PMI, which

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Speaker 23: is a measure of activity across manufacturing sectors, jumped to

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 23: the highest level in four years. New orders component part

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 23: of that was generally a leading indicator that was one

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Speaker 23: of the strongest in a number of years and a

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Speaker 23: good signal for future output. The services PMI also increased

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Speaker 23: into expansion y Church Territory for the first time in

1514
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 23: nearly two years. Finally, on the growth front, we also

1515
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 23: had the Survey of Business Opinion which showed a really

1516
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 23: notable improvement with decline and spare capacity, and an increase

1517
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 23: in realized and expected business activity. I think importantly the

1518
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 23: employment indicators also recovering off very low levels.

1519
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: Right, So obviously the growth story is a good one,

1520
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 3: But what about the inflation story?

1521
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 23: Yeah, so this is where the news I guess is

1522
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 23: a little bit more mixed. So last week we got

1523
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 23: Q four CPI where headline inflation actually accelerated ten basis

1524
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 23: points to three point one percent, meaning it did breach

1525
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 23: the top of the ibnzs one to three percent band.

1526
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 23: So within that domestic inflation was flat on the quarter,

1527
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 23: but ahead of the aben Dead's forecast or most of

1528
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 23: the upside surprise came from non tradable inflation, which is

1529
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 23: influenced more by offshore prices and clearly that weekly Zealand

1530
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 23: dollar weighing on it as well. On the core measure side,

1531
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 23: it wasn't quite as bad as the headline figure, but regardless,

1532
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 23: the Avian deb would be a little bit worried about this,

1533
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 23: particularly given that growth trajectory I just talked about.

1534
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 3: Now, over across the Tasman we just got the inflation

1535
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 3: number for the fourth quarter. How are the two economies

1536
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 3: do you think comparing at the moment.

1537
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 23: Yeah, Look, the Assio economy really has been quite a standout.

1538
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 23: If you look at household spending data that has been

1539
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 23: really solid, house prices have continued to stay to strong recovery.

1540
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 23: All of that has meant that inflation is inflicting higher.

1541
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 23: So today's fourth quarter core measure rose to three point

1542
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 23: four percent from three percent. So their economy really didn't

1543
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 23: experience the same level of weakness that as did, as

1544
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 23: they've benefited from far larger levels of immigration as well

1545
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 23: as a less aggressive hiking cycle.

1546
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 3: Do you think that both in Australia and New Zealand

1547
01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 3: we are now talking about rate hikes.

1548
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 23: Look, domestically, there is the potential for rate hikes in

1549
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 23: New Zealand later this year, but it is going to

1550
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 23: be very dependent on the duration of this recovery and data.

1551
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 23: I think we need to keep in mind also that

1552
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 23: we have an election looming later this year, which may

1553
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 23: cause household and business investment decisions to slow. We've also

1554
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 23: already had to move higher and wholesale rates in New

1555
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 23: Zealand and that does influence the degree to which the

1556
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 23: RBNZ actually need to increase the cash rate over in Australia.

1557
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 23: I think the risk is far more pronounced. Today's inflation

1558
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 23: data marks a third consecutive upside surprise. So coupling this

1559
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 23: with stronger employment data last week and better growth data,

1560
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 23: it really does increase the risk of more inflation upside

1561
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 23: in the future. We're seeing that reflected in market pricing,

1562
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 23: which is a seventy five percent chance at the RBA

1563
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 23: hike next week, So that's going to be a really

1564
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 23: interesting one.

1565
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 3: Brendan's good to talk to you, Thanks mate, Brendan Larson,

1566
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 3: Milford Asset Management's nineteen past six. Ever I should have

1567
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 3: mentioned this yesterday, forgot to, but I think it is

1568
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 3: worth mentioning to you. The carbon and this is a

1569
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 3: particular with regards to what was actually touches on the

1570
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 3: IQA subject. Doesn't it as a planting forest all over

1571
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: the place, but also the climate change stuff. The carbon

1572
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 3: price has crashed. It's now sitting. I had a look

1573
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 3: at it today. I mean it was sitting yesterday sounds

1574
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 3: like about thirty three dollars, about thirty four dollars today.

1575
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 3: It is down a third since November the peak. And

1576
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: this is the real kind of measure of how far

1577
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: it's fallen back in twenty twenty two. Back in the

1578
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 3: Ardurn days, the peak was eighty eight dollars fifty. So

1579
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 3: compare eighty eight dollars fifty to thirty four dollars now. Now,

1580
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 3: obviously what's happened is the Ardern administration undermined the ETS

1581
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 3: with all that tinkering and stuff. But this administration, the

1582
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 3: Luxe and administration, has done pretty much the same thing.

1583
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 3: And the reason it's come back a third since November

1584
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,919
Speaker 3: is because in November that was when the government announced

1585
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 3: that it had it was proposing all these changes to

1586
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: the ETS. So anyway, bear that in mind, because if

1587
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 3: you are trading in the carbon, that has become something

1588
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 3: of a joke, hasn't it. And if you care about

1589
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 3: about the ETES and climate change and that whole debate,

1590
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: the ETES is becoming something of a joke. Now, WD

1591
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about? A WD forty There

1592
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 3: is a did you know there is a fascinating story

1593
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 3: about the recipe to w D forty stand by six

1594
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 3: twenty one.

1595
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

1596
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duperic Allen and Mas Insurance

1597
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 1: and Investments, your futures in good hands news talks, I'd be.

1598
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 3: Six twenty three. All right, w D forty. You know

1599
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about when I say w D forty

1600
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 3: is the lubricant spray that is basically like the American

1601
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 3: equivalent of CRC. Anyway, did you realize I didn't realize

1602
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 3: that it is. It's got that KFC thing about it,

1603
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 3: where where the secret of how you make w D

1604
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 3: forty is so tightly kept that only a very, very

1605
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: very few people in the world actually know what the

1606
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 3: recipe is, to the extent that even the CEO of

1607
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 3: the company that makes w D forty has only just

1608
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: found out in the last eighteen months, and he'd already

1609
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 3: been employed by the company for thirty years before he

1610
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 3: could find out. What's in what is in the can?

1611
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 3: And what the formula? What's in the formula of the

1612
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 3: thing they keep? Apparently this is according to an article

1613
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 3: on the Wall Street Journal. They keep the formula. It's

1614
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 3: handwritten on a notepad. They keep it in a lock

1615
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 3: box in an undisclosed Bank of America location somewhere in

1616
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 3: San Diego, And in the last thirty years it's only

1617
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 3: left that vault three times. The first time was when

1618
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 3: the then CEO took it out and like it was

1619
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 3: a bit of a stunt. It was fifty years of

1620
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 3: the Nasdaq or something like that, the company's anniversary on

1621
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 3: the Nasdaq for fifty years. It's took it out, you know,

1622
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 3: made a bit of a parade about it. The second

1623
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 3: time it came out was the same CEO was handcuffed

1624
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 3: to a metal briefcaseat the briefcase obviously contained the formula.

1625
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 3: He was handcuffed to the metal briefcase and he was

1626
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 3: in an armored vehicle while they moved the formula from

1627
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 3: one bank to another back in twenty eighteen. And then

1628
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: the third time it's come out is just in twenty

1629
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 3: twenty four where the CEO then got to have a

1630
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 3: look at it because they had to go in and

1631
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 3: sign some paperwork at the bank, and so they had

1632
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 3: to get permission, and the permission was a kerfuffle. To

1633
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 3: be able to see what was in there, they had

1634
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 3: to have a couple of weeks notice a bunch of

1635
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 3: non disclosure agreements, had to get a key which is

1636
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 3: held by the company's top lawyer. Blah blah blah. Anyway,

1637
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 3: what is the formula? He can't remember because he couldn't.

1638
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 3: He's not a scientist, so he has looked at the notepad,

1639
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 3: has no bloody idea what it says. All they can

1640
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 3: remember is that it says, do not smoke six twenty five.

1641
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1642
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 3: You don't need me to tell where the song is from.

1643
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 3: It's from the old Dirty Dancing epic film nineteen eighty seven. Well,

1644
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 3: next year as the fortieth anniversary of Dirty Dancing, and

1645
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 3: you're gonna love this. They're making a sequel, and even

1646
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: better than that, Jennifer Gray is going to be Baby

1647
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 3: in the sequel. Baby's Back. Jennifer Gray is back, and

1648
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 3: that is good because outside of Dirty Dancing and then

1649
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 3: Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Jennifer Gray's career never really took off. Now,

1650
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: the reason we've always been led to believe is because

1651
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 3: Jenny's mum didn't like her nose and convinced it to

1652
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 3: get the old nose job. And when she got the

1653
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 3: nose job, well, it changed her looks and she looked

1654
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 3: like every other woman in her career failed. But fans

1655
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: who've read her memoir reckon she may have actually just

1656
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 3: been a bit lazy.

1657
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 24: And she kind of leads the nose job, but also

1658
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 24: she's like, yeah, you know, I would get offered acting roles,

1659
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 24: but I didn't really want to take them, and then

1660
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 24: I wuldn't really prepare. So even though the common narrative

1661
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 24: is that the nose job ruined her career, I kind

1662
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 24: of think it's just that she didn't have She wasn't

1663
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 24: any ambitious for her career, she didn't really want one.

1664
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, that makes the whole thing a lot better

1665
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 3: because I thought I was a bit dark on her

1666
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 3: mum for a while there. She's now sixty five, so

1667
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 3: you know, it's unclear how much dancing she's going to

1668
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 3: want to do when she's sixty five years old. Oh,

1669
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 3: it's going to be very hard for her to dance

1670
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 3: without Johnny because Johnny Castle obviously paid by Patrick Swayze.

1671
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 3: Patrick's dead. So anyway, we'll see how this goes. Dirty

1672
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 3: Dancing sequel out next year, And I don't know about you,

1673
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty excited about it, because why.

1674
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 7: Not, because that's great?

1675
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 3: Come on, how good is that? It's a banger right donates,

1676
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: it's training.

1677
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:27,919
Speaker 2: Next, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1678
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with maths,

1679
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: insurance and investments.

1680
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:37,520
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands, used talks, I'd be ding

1681
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: my head, San my head.

1682
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 3: Take hither. You've got to tell everyone what w D

1683
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 3: forty the name stands for. It stands for water displacement

1684
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: forty and forty is because it was the fortieth attempt

1685
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 3: before they got the formula correct. You know what, the

1686
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 3: one of the step suns told me this actually over summer,

1687
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 3: and I didn't believe it. Well I did. Now he's

1688
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 3: gonna I don't believe what he's don't generally don't believe

1689
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 3: what he says among the word. But yeah, and I

1690
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 3: already down on the Wall Street Journal. That's exactly right.

1691
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 3: They had thirty nine attempts at something, which again is

1692
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 3: another life lesson for us in a show that's about

1693
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: life lessons. If you fail, try again. They tried thirty

1694
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,839
Speaker 3: nine times and they got it right on the fortieth.

1695
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 10: So there you go.

1696
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 3: Anyway, and we're off to the UK with Mike pars

1697
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 3: in about ten minutes time. Right now, it's twenty four

1698
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 3: away from seven. Now he's a warning for homeowners if

1699
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 3: you want to do the building and the reno's and

1700
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: stuff like that. You could be the one exposed to

1701
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 3: covering the cost of the dodgy work on your properties

1702
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 3: once the overall of the Building Act is complete. The

1703
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 3: Herald's Wellington Business editor, Jennatives Trainey has been looking into

1704
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 3: this and is with us now. Hijena hey, Heather, Happy

1705
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 3: New year now. I thought we were all going to

1706
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 3: be forced to buy warranties and so we would be covered.

1707
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 3: What's going on.

1708
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 23: That's right.

1709
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 25: When the government announced last year changes major changes to

1710
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 25: the Building Act, it's said that consumers or how homeowners

1711
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,879
Speaker 25: would be protected because under a shift in the liability regime,

1712
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 25: we all have to buy warranties or insurance on the

1713
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 25: building work that we get done.

1714
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 13: Like if you build a house, you have.

1715
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 4: To buy a warranty or get insurance.

1716
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 25: That was quite a controversial call at the time, because

1717
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 25: the government has looked at this stuff in the past

1718
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 25: and in the past, for example in twenty nineteen, MB

1719
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 25: and others who are experts in this area, they said,

1720
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 25: the problem with this is is that you can't guarantee

1721
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 25: that the insurance industry will be there to provide these

1722
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 25: sorts of products. You know, you can't force the private

1723
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 25: sector to provide cover, especially in the building sector, you know,

1724
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 25: which has had a rocky history with leaky homes. And

1725
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,839
Speaker 25: in the past you've had Lloyd's of London's underwrite insurance

1726
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 25: products in New Zealand and they've left the market because

1727
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 25: they've deemed it to be, you know, too risky, and

1728
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 25: they've just said no, thank you. So there's always been

1729
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 25: that question mark. You know, you can't really force people

1730
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 25: to get the stuff because it might not be there

1731
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 25: or might be too expensive. So knowing that the government

1732
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,959
Speaker 25: quietly said, yes, it's going to make these things mandatory,

1733
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 25: but it's giving itself an out and it's saying that

1734
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 25: if these products are no longer available or they are

1735
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 25: too expensive, there will no longer be that requirement for.

1736
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 8: You to have them.

1737
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 25: Now, it all gets a bit complicated, but the reason

1738
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 25: that is important is that under the new liability regime,

1739
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 25: if there is a problem with your home, you can

1740
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 25: pursue the builder. You have to pursue whoever's faulted. Is

1741
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 25: you can't just pursue the council and get them to

1742
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 25: pay you. So if there's no if they suspend the warranties.

1743
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 25: There's no warranties. You can't pursue the council anymore. Then

1744
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 25: you know that cost could fall on you.

1745
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: Are they not only postponing the mandatory component of the warranties,

1746
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 3: Like you can still go out and get a warranty,

1747
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 3: you're just not forced to.

1748
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's right, That is right. So you know, if

1749
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 25: it's you and you're building your home and you realize,

1750
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 25: oh man, you know, like if there's a problem and

1751
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 25: the builder goes bust and I don't have a warranty,

1752
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 25: then I'm going to be stuck with the problem. Then

1753
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 25: you know, you might decide you're going to get a warranty.

1754
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 25: But the problem is, as if I go out and

1755
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 25: buy a house, I might not necessarily know that the

1756
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 25: person who had it built didn't have a warranty on

1757
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 25: the building work. So I buy a house and then

1758
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 25: something goes wrong, I try to pursue the builder. The

1759
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 25: builder's gone bus there's no warranty, you know, And and

1760
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 25: just given how much money New Zealanders have invested in

1761
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 25: property and how many problems they have been in the past,

1762
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,879
Speaker 25: I think there is a slight, you know, risk.

1763
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 3: Of exposure there's definitely a risk yt So this will

1764
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 3: just turn into one of those things you have to

1765
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 3: do due diligence on before you buy a property or

1766
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 3: when you're buying a property.

1767
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, you know, i'd say so.

1768
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 25: And you know, it's just one more thing, checking the

1769
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 25: risk of the flood, rest and insurance. This is one

1770
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 25: more thing. Now there isn't the other, you know, another

1771
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 25: side to it. So the government would say that because

1772
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,799
Speaker 25: it's changing the liability rag whoever is responsible for the problem,

1773
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 25: be it the architect, the builder, whoever, because they're going

1774
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 25: to be responsible. Uh, you know, they're going to have

1775
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 25: to lift their lift their game because in order for

1776
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 25: for insurers to ensure the building work or for you

1777
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 25: to get a warranty, those builders are going to have

1778
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 25: to you know, meet a certain standard because if they don't,

1779
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,799
Speaker 25: if they're not good enough to become part of master Builders,

1780
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 25: or they're not good enough to you know, to tell

1781
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 25: the insurer that please ensure my work, then they're not

1782
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 25: going to get any business. So the government's argument is

1783
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 25: it's actually going to be okay because this this whole

1784
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 25: change in liability will will lift their game. So I

1785
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 25: think that's sort of a fair counterpoint.

1786
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 3: And it's good to talk to you as always, Jay,

1787
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 3: Thanks very much for that. Jenetib Cherny, who is our

1788
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 3: Wellington Business editor, listen, the business of course with the

1789
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 3: ice agents going to Italy for the Winter Olympics is

1790
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 3: going to be making a fair amount of fair bit

1791
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 3: of news I suppose over in Europe. So we'll have

1792
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: a chat to Mike Pears, who's our UK correspondent filling

1793
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 3: in for Gavin Gray, will be with us very shortly,

1794
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 3: and also need to talk to you about Peers Morgan.

1795
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 3: It's broken as hip. Depending on how you feel about

1796
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 3: Piers Morgan, you know that will probably determine your sympathies.

1797
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 3: But however you feel about Piers Morgan, you should have

1798
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 3: sympathies for his wife and that's what we're going to

1799
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 3: discuss in a minute. But paracetamol we've got to study out,

1800
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 3: so I don't need to get you across this first.

1801
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 3: If you're worried, I gather there is increasing concern around

1802
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 3: paracetamol for a couple of reasons. First of all, there

1803
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 3: was a study that suggested a link between paris between

1804
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 3: paracetamol use in the first year of a baby's life

1805
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 3: and then maybe them developing X mass man other diseases

1806
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 3: later on. That's the first thing. And then of course

1807
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 3: Donald Trump went out there and said, if you take

1808
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: the US version of paracetamol, you're going to get autistic.

1809
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 3: So I think people are starting to get freaked out

1810
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 3: about it. There is a study that's out today or

1811
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: even potentially no, it is today today lifted the embargo

1812
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 3: lifted about midday today. It says there is no link

1813
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 3: between paracetamol use and exma or bronchiolitis, which is a

1814
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 3: common respiratory illness later in life. They had a look

1815
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 3: across four thousand babies across New Zealand. The participated from birth,

1816
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 3: so you'd have to say it's a pretty comprehensive study.

1817
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 3: They said, nothing to worry about there at all when

1818
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 3: it comes to the exma and the asthma. Seventeen or

1819
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 3: eighteen away from seven, whether.

1820
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1822
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1825
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,320
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1826
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1827
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1828
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Speaker 3: to seven Mike ps UK correspondence with US today.

1829
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 7: I Mike, good morning.

1830
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 3: How things yep, pretty good. How are you guys feeling

1831
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 3: about ICE heading your way?

1832
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 8: Well?

1833
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 26: Indeed, now, basically this story is that breaking news in

1834
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 26: Europe this evening that it's been revealed that office from

1835
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 26: the same American agency involved in the fatal shooting of

1836
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,879
Speaker 26: Alex Petty at the weekend will be helping with security

1837
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 26: at the Winter Olympics, which starts next week in Italy.

1838
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,759
Speaker 26: It was confirmed that the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement

1839
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 26: ICE will play a role with security for American athletes,

1840
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 26: but the news has caused lam and anger in Italy,

1841
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 26: where the games will be held. The mayor of Milan said,

1842
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 26: this is a militia that kills. Of course, they're not

1843
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 26: welcome in Milan. The Italian government has said in a statement,

1844
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 26: it's not like the Nazi ss are coming. They say

1845
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 26: all security operations at the Olympics are directed and many

1846
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 26: exclusively by the Italian authorities. The American officers will not

1847
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 26: have powers on the streets, but in an advisory role.

1848
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 26: And it's claimed attending the major events like this is routine,

1849
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 26: but the fact they're going at all is highly controversial

1850
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 26: in Italy.

1851
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 3: It seems an unusual thing, Mike. I mean, if you

1852
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 3: were going to send, if you're sending security, even in

1853
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 3: an advisory capacity for athletes to Italy, why are you

1854
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 3: pecking the immigration customs guys?

1855
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 26: Well, I think the Americans are saying that basically it's

1856
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 26: part of part of their wider security service. These officers

1857
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 26: work not only exclusively for Ice, it's part of what

1858
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 26: they do. They say they go to other major events

1859
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 26: as well. But I tell you in Italy, particularly you

1860
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 26: know where the Olympics are being held, there is disquiet

1861
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 26: just because this story is so big right across the world.

1862
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, quiet, and they just seem a little on the

1863
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 3: trigger happy sigence. Now you can sort of understand it

1864
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 3: now on the phone band and the social media band,

1865
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 3: this seems to be getting a bit attraction with you guys,

1866
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1867
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 26: Absolutely Indeed so the ban on young people using social

1868
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 26: media is set to spread across much of Europe, I

1869
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 26: can tell you, and the UK also says it will

1870
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 26: ban mobile phones in all schools for students.

1871
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 8: Now.

1872
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 26: France is to become the second country in Europe to

1873
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 26: announce a ban, following the UK last week. Its ban

1874
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 26: could be in place within months, impossibly three or four months. Italy, Greece,

1875
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 26: Denmark and Norwich some of the others expected to follow. Australia,

1876
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 26: of course, was first to bring in the ban for

1877
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 26: under sixteen year old in December. France says it will

1878
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 26: be for under fifteen year old. It says it believes

1879
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,719
Speaker 26: that is the right thing to do. Social media companies

1880
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 26: will have to make sure of a person's age before

1881
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 26: their services can be used. Meanwhile, here in the UK,

1882
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 26: the government has told schools to ban mobile phones from

1883
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 26: students and it also says teachers should not be seen

1884
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 26: using them by pupils as well.

1885
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 3: Very interesting, okay, now what is Amelia?

1886
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 26: Well, this is a really interesting one. Actually, an avatar.

1887
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 26: It's a type of cartoon character. If you don't actually

1888
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 26: there was. An avatar is created by the UK government

1889
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 26: to stop the spread of right wing extremist views, which

1890
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 26: I'm afraid been hijacked and turned into the exact opposite.

1891
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 26: Artificial intelligence has been used to copy the character and

1892
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 26: turn her into a popular social media figure with racist views.

1893
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 26: Her name is Amelia, she's purple hair, and is now

1894
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 26: said to have a staggering one point four million views,

1895
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 26: views and followers, with around five hundred new ones every day.

1896
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 26: Videos of Amelia typically feature her walking through London declaring

1897
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 26: her love for England nothing wrong with that, but warning

1898
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,480
Speaker 26: of the dangers of militant Muslims and third well, immigrants

1899
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 26: and he raised. His campaigners say they're appalled and looking

1900
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 26: at ways to concounter her.

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01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 9: The impact of what's happening here.

1902
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 26: It's not known if any specific group is behind it

1903
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 26: because the social media accounts are anonymous. The authorities say

1904
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 26: they're looking into it and if laws are breached they

1905
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 26: will take action to close it down.

1906
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Very interesting, Mike, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Make

1907
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 3: this Mike Pierce, UK correspondent and the doomsday clock. By

1908
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 3: the way, I don't know if you've caught up on

1909
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 3: this yet, but it moved closer to midnight overnight. I

1910
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:46,560
Speaker 3: was keeping an eye out for that because it was

1911
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 3: only one way it could go. I mean, you couldn't

1912
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 3: you could hardly, you know, with Donald Trump and Chad

1913
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 3: and the climate change and Poteland, you could hardly be going, honest,

1914
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 3: chill move it backwards. I was always going to go forward.

1915
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 3: But it did move forward by four seconds, which is

1916
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 3: actually quite a lot, because last year had only moved

1917
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 3: forward by one second. So we are now sitting at

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Speaker 3: eighty five seconds to midnight. I'm surprised. I'm gonna be honestly,

1919
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that they gobbled up a whole four seconds

1920
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 3: because I can't see, I mean, I can't see that

1921
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 3: they're going to move the ticker hand backwards. So they've

1922
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 3: just gobbled up forward. Like if you just went one

1923
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 3: second per year, you could really stretch this game out

1924
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 3: for the next sort of you know, like eighty eight

1925
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 3: years or something like that. But now they've gobbled up

1926
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 3: for one foul swoop that's just gone. There's four years

1927
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 3: worth of ticking, so we've only got another eighty five

1928
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 3: years of the doomstake clock before kaboom. Anyway, the reason

1929
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 3: that they've moved it forward so fast is because nuclear war,

1930
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 3: climate change, potential misuse of biotechnology, the increasing use of

1931
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 3: AI without adequate controls. Russia, China, the US and other

1932
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: countries have become increasingly aggressive, adversarial and nationalistic. Don't tell

1933
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 3: what did we talk about yesterday? We talked about young

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01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 3: women freaking out about the world, So don't tell them

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Speaker 3: about that. Don't don't show the kids of the doomsday

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Speaker 3: clock because they're probably going to think it's real. I'm

1937
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Speaker 3: going to freak out, aren't they? Anyway? Piers Morgan's wife.

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Speaker 3: Next ten to seven.

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Speaker 3: Before I get to Piers Morgan, I got some happy

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Speaker 3: news for Boeing, which is that it's reported its first

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Speaker 3: annual profit since twenty eighteen, which is basically since they

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Speaker 3: started crashing the planes. The trouble is that the profits

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Speaker 3: come from an asset sale. So you know, if you

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Speaker 3: sell the family sOliver, that's what happens. Okay, so here

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Speaker 3: we go. Seven away from seven. Piers Morgan has broken

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Speaker 3: his hip. Now, that happened a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: so you probably already know that. But what is new

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Speaker 3: is that his wife has written a piece for the

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Speaker 3: Telegraph about how much it sucks to look after him.

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Speaker 3: Because any wife who's ever looked after a sick husband

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Speaker 3: knows that it sucks to look after a sick husband,

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Speaker 3: because boy, nobody is a worse patient than your husband.

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Speaker 3: The title of the piece is caring for my invalid husband.

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Speaker 3: Piers is the biggest test of our vows I signed

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Speaker 3: up to in sickness and in health. But it's almost

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Speaker 3: two weeks since he broke. Has happen My patience with

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Speaker 3: my patients is wearing thin, and what she can lord,

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Speaker 3: I just I'm feeling her pain right now, feeling her pain.

1961
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Speaker 3: What she complains about is the demands come thick and fast.

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Speaker 3: It starts at four am, when I'm woken either by

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Speaker 3: a falling crutch or by Piers asking me to put

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Speaker 3: on his rubberized grip slipper socks, and then it ends

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Speaker 3: circa ten pm, when the last of the lap trays

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Speaker 3: has been cleared and the hot chocolate has been brought

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Speaker 3: to the bedside. She says, I want it to be

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Speaker 3: a selfless wife, think Jennifer Connolly in a beautiful mind

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Speaker 3: and an endlessly tolerant nurse. But as the days have

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Speaker 3: worn on and Pierce's snappiness has increased, surprises no one.

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Speaker 3: My patience has worn thin, and right now I'm one

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Speaker 3: four am fullen crutch, four am full and crutch away

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Speaker 3: from Kathy Bates in misery. But this is the bit, Lord,

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Speaker 3: tell me that you're not nod in an agreement with

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Speaker 3: this right, because if you've had a sick husband, it's

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Speaker 3: just unbelievable how they can weaponize their frustration at U

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Speaker 3: the nurse. You're trying to help and they're giving you

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Speaker 3: a hard time. It's unreal. Anyway, this is the bit

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Speaker 3: that I reckon demands some closer attention. I feel like

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Speaker 3: there must be people at the University of Auckland who

1981
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Speaker 3: are just scratching around for something to study, and we've

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Speaker 3: got to study this right. Why is it that men

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Speaker 3: refuse to go to the doctor when they clearly need

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Speaker 3: to go to the doctor. So what she writes, Celia,

1985
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Speaker 3: whatever her name is, she writes, after Peters breaks his hip,

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Speaker 3: he calls her and he's like, I've done something bad.

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Speaker 3: I've broken my hip. I want to come home. And

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Speaker 3: she's like, if you've broken your hip, you're not coming home.

1989
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Speaker 3: You're going to A and E. And he clearly needed

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Speaker 3: to go to A and E. Because once he got

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Speaker 3: to A and E they looked at it and they

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Speaker 3: were like, you need a hip replacement. So her advice

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Speaker 3: was fantastic. But why that didn't occur to him that

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Speaker 3: his hip was potentially broken and he needed to go

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Speaker 3: to A and E. But he actually just wanted to go.

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Speaker 3: Why isn't that men do that? She writes, Fact, this

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Speaker 3: is this sentence. Somebody needs to put this in the

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Speaker 3: Bible because it belongs in there. Fact, men have a

1999
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Speaker 3: pathological reluctant to help themselves in medical emergencies. Why this

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Speaker 3: is I think this is the subject of this needs

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Speaker 3: to be the subject of extensive study. When women are sick,

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Speaker 3: we go, oh, jeez, I think I'm dying going to

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Speaker 3: the hospital. When men are dying, you go, I think

2004
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Speaker 3: I'm dying. Where's my wife? Why do you do that? Well,

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Speaker 3: you hate it at some point. At some point we

2006
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Speaker 3: actually just get so tired of it. We go, you

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Speaker 3: should no, come home, come home, come home. It'll be safe. No,

2008
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Speaker 3: don't worry about it. Yeah, I know you're bleeding. You're

2009
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Speaker 3: bleeding a lot from that vein in your neck. Come home,

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Speaker 3: come home, because we want you to just bleed out,

2011
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Speaker 3: because we're sick of it. And you want to weigh in.

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Speaker 22: I'm not touching that one with a ten foot ball.

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Speaker 22: I'm not going to disagree with anything you said though,

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Speaker 22: right with you people, Gold by Shet Faker two play

2015
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Speaker 22: us out tonight. Shep Faker and a bunch of other

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Speaker 22: people will be playing snow Machine. The uses out today.

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Speaker 22: Snow Machine is quite a fun little festival in Queenstown

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Speaker 22: is going to run from the eighth to the thirteenth

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Speaker 22: of September at Tahoona And the idea is you can

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Speaker 22: go skiing all day long and the slopes and then

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Speaker 22: when you're all done at night, they bring a bunch

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Speaker 22: of artis over and they play up in the mountains there.

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Speaker 22: So it should be pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, so Ship Faker, cane Ie, Nina Garachi, Nora

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Speaker 22: on Pure and a Savage and Scribe will be performing

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Speaker 22: there as well.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, it should be a good one.

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Speaker 22: Savage and Scribe, Savage or not not together, but Savage

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Speaker 22: and Scribe will both be performing at snow.

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Speaker 2: Machine, right.

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Speaker 3: That is that like any if any?

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Speaker 24: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: Yeah from Canery. Yeah, yeah, it's off the drugs now

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Speaker 22: I certainly hope so, because otherwise I worry about him

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Speaker 22: showing up for a set time. It's good now remember

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Speaker 22: he did that big Redemption song like a couple of

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Speaker 22: years ago.

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Speaker 3: It's just just double chicken. It's always got to juble

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Speaker 3: check with people like on the drugs. Okay, see you tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: bite before we're gone. You gotta know I'm killing love made.

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Speaker 2: I'll never love not a one.

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Speaker 7: It's gotta be love a surday.

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Speaker 3: You gotta know, Lady, go over nother one.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be love a surday.

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Speaker 3: You gotta know love lady, go over another one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be love a Surday.

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