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Speaker 1: So the government giving reputable builders, plumbers, drain layers the

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Speaker 1: power to basically mark their own homework inspect their own work.

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Speaker 1: The goal is to cut down inspection wait times and

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Speaker 1: kitscharm master builders with us this morning, and Kirk, good morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning man, good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: How do you define a reputable builder, plumber, drain layer?

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Speaker 2: The definition I think the government was indicating yesterday for

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Speaker 2: self certification as reported builders while building at scale, building

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Speaker 2: simple law risk holms and are using repeatable designs.

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Speaker 1: How do you because I guess this is the problem. Right,

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Speaker 1: you want to be sped up, you want it to

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Speaker 1: be easier, but you also want to stop some dodgy

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Speaker 1: builder or plumber from cutting corners, doing a shoddy job,

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Speaker 1: and then marking their own homework. How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: That's a very good point. So I think what we

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Speaker 2: have been saying is we need a very smart and

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Speaker 2: targeted reform to really use the compliance burden on simple

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Speaker 2: law ris homes without compromising on quality or consumer protections.

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Speaker 2: So there are a lot of things we can do

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Speaker 2: to enable that. So one is to restrict this to

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Speaker 2: only simple law risk bills. Second, to have a very

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Speaker 2: strict criteria on building professionals who can self certify and

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Speaker 2: continue some monitoring regime around the third to have some

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Speaker 2: mandatory insurance requirements thoughts, you can incorporate random inspections to

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Speaker 2: ensure quality management. There is a quite a big piece

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Speaker 2: we have been talking about, which is to use technology

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Speaker 2: solutions like virtual remote inspections to ensure that photographic evidence

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Speaker 2: of self certification is submitted so then risk assessment can

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Speaker 2: be performed and we can do some spot checks. And

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Speaker 2: the final is to strengthening the LBP scheme. So we

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Speaker 2: obviously need to see more details around all these areas,

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Speaker 2: but if they're implemented well, they will enable productivity gains

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Speaker 2: without compromising on quality or consumer.

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Speaker 1: Protection because I guess the thing is the reality is

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Speaker 1: you will know who the dodgy builders are, or you

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Speaker 1: will at least know who the good builders are, right son,

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Speaker 1: So can you will you have some say or who

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Speaker 1: will decide who the good ones are and who the

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Speaker 1: bad ones are.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a consultation happening where we are providing

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Speaker 2: an input on what that criteria should be, and I

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Speaker 2: think others in the industry will provide that into government

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Speaker 2: has a view too. So I have a feeling that

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Speaker 2: after they've announced this, they will now go through a

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Speaker 2: consultation process where we and others were quite input onto

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Speaker 2: how do you do this, because what we are trying

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Speaker 2: to do is we're trying to kind of improve We're

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Speaker 2: trying to look at the low hanging food we have

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Speaker 2: within our industry to improve some productivity. And the low

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Speaker 2: hanging food is to reduce the compliance burden on simple

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Speaker 2: law risk holmes. And if you do this well, it

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Speaker 2: will bring more lower cost homes in the market cheaper

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Speaker 2: and address housing affordability. It will free up counsel to

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Speaker 2: focus more on high risk projects and reduce inspection times.

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Speaker 2: And also I think increase adoption of technology like virtual

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Speaker 2: the more inspection and a lot of positives or that

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Speaker 2: sounds good.

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Speaker 1: No, it sounds good, And I want you to get

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Speaker 1: in there and I want you to tell them who

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Speaker 1: were the goodies and who were the baddies, because that

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Speaker 1: really is when it comes down to it, what is

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Speaker 1: going to make will break this new policy? An Kit Sharma,

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