1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: It has been fourteen years since Steve Williams last caddied 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: for somebody called Tiger Woods, but to coincide with the 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Masters and the twentieth anniversary of Woods now infamous Chip 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: that famous day, the sixteenth and AUGUSTA, two thousand and five. Anyway, 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Williams has produced a book looking back and giving us 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: insight into the greatest player ever in one of sport's 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: great collaborations. Together, We Roared is by Evan Priest and 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Steve Williams and Steve Williams is will us. 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: Very good morning, Mike Aida, this one good, good good. 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: Was this an easy sell for you to do? To 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: tell the story? 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Evan and I did a podcast series over covid, 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: and we got so much interest over the podcast series 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: that we decided that, due to the interest from publishers, 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: that we'd put a book together. So and we got 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: we were granted an extra few months that you'd normally 17 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: not get when you write a book, so we were 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: able to really put some thought into it. 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: So really pleased with it. 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: And was it cathartic for you? 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: No? 22 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: I found it like a memory, a great way to 23 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: rewind and sort of relive the journey of time that 24 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: I spent catting for Tiger. 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: That was really good. 26 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: What do you do these days? 27 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 2: What do I do these days? 28 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: You know what you think when you're retired, you think, wow, 29 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: But you know, you keep yourself busy. I've had my 30 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: own foundation, which I've actually closed up at this completion 31 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: the last year, so that's been keeping me busy. I 32 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: live on a bit of a lifestyle block, and you know, 33 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: I do a lot of golf days and our things 34 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 3: and that, and travel overseas, and you know, you keep 35 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: yourself busy. Still of speedway, but you're content. Content, Yeah, yeah, No, 36 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 3: I don't miss the canning and all the traveling that 37 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: went along with that. 38 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: When you were in the moment, if you like, when 39 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: it was all you and Tiger, were you cognizant of 40 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: what was unfolding around you or was it just it 41 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: was another day at the office. 42 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: No, Because every Tiger, after every tournament, whether you know 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: whether he won or lost, it was always on to 44 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: the next one. And that pursuit of trying to chase 45 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: down Jack's record of eighteen major championships sort of became 46 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: an obsession and always looking forward to the next tournament, 47 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: the next major what course is it at. 48 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: So the book actually. 49 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: Has been a real good thing for me to be 50 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: able to actually sit down and take a look at 51 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: what he actually achieved, because during the time that he 52 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: was doing it, there was no you know, there's very 53 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: little celebrating. It was just this relentless goal of trying 54 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: to reach you know, Jack had eighteen majors. He wanted 55 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: to get to nineteen or twenty and that became such 56 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: a obsession and sort of, yeah, it was a really 57 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: clear goal to work towards it, and there wasn't a 58 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: lot of time to reflect on what he was achieving 59 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: along the way, not just in the major championships, but 60 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: all the other toments that he was playing. 61 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: And what do you with the benefit of hindsight, what 62 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: do you will? Wait, do you place on what role 63 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: you played in his success? 64 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: Look, you can't. It's one of those jobs. 65 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: It's like being a co drive and a rallygate, you know, 66 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: like the guy he's swinging the clubs and that. But 67 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: you know you've got to be you've got to be 68 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: very in you know, working in harmony with a guy 69 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: in that and understand a guy in that, and you know, 70 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: like a pro golfer knows if he has a caddy 71 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: that they don't have that harmony with and they don't 72 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: have any success where they go on to get another 73 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: caddy in that so, when you spend any length of 74 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: time with guy and you have success, you know, you 75 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: know you're adding some value to it. 76 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: But how does that work in that sense? If you 77 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: know you can be replaced, do you? You can't then 78 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: be a suck up? Can you? 79 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: No? 80 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: No? 81 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 82 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: And look, what makes a good caddy is somebody when 83 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: something when it's really on the line, the tornament's on 84 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: the line and that and the guy says to you, 85 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: what do you think? And you've got to be very 86 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: decisive and give a very positive answer so that gives 87 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: him positivity to hit a very good shot or part 88 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: whatever it might be. And not be scared to be wrong. 89 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: And that's something I've sort of prided myself and that 90 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not scared to change or overall what 91 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: a guy says, or find a way to influence what 92 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: I think is right as opposed to what he thinks 93 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: is right and make that decision and it'll be the 94 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: right decision, and ultimately that can lead to you know, 95 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: between winning a tourment not winning. 96 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: It, and what are you basing those decisions on. You're 97 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: basing them on maths, you know he hits the seven 98 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: x number of yards, or you're basing it on his 99 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: mood or the day or the vibe or feel. 100 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 3: Feel absolutely just complete feel. I've took so many notes 101 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: when I was working for all these different players that 102 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: I've caddy for, and I'd base those notes on exactly 103 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: what you just said. Under this, under these circumstances, the 104 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: mood that he's in today, the way that he's planned, 105 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: how did he react, what did he do when he 106 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: was in a good mood, bad mood, and all that. 107 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: I wrote so many notes. 108 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 3: So basically, after you know, probably eighteen to eighteen months 109 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: to two years, I could assess at the start of 110 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 3: the day and know what was going to happen just 111 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 3: based on his mood. That so I wrote an enormous 112 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: amount of notes. And when even the guy that I 113 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: co wrote the book work came to my house in 114 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: that and so I was looking over these notes, that's 115 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: sort of dumbfounded. It's just amazed that, like, you know 116 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: that you would keep such lengthy notes, but basically as 117 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: a caddy. If you can picture yourself standing in that 118 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: guy shoes, So what is he looking at today, how 119 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: is he feeling today, what is his mood today and 120 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: that and just translate your reactions to. 121 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: What that's But that's your skill, though, because to do 122 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: that with Malta, I mean, that's not just Tiger. You 123 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: did this with a whole bunch of different people. To 124 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: do that with a bunch of it, that's a skill. 125 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: That's the talent. 126 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 127 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: Look, it's something that's probably unique. And to the best 128 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: of my eyes, I was probably the only one that's 129 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: compiled such an extensive a lot of notes on people. 130 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: But you know, behavior patterns, you know, and all strides 131 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: of life are very continuous, and I was able to, 132 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: like I said, you know, I would know based on 133 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: the fact that what mood Tiger was and how he 134 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: was walking and what his eye contact with me was, 135 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 3: what sort of day you were going to have. 136 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: Unreal Now, listen, how annoying did it become for you 137 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: that I'm assuming that every man and his dog wanted 138 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: to know what Tiger was Like? 139 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: Oh, look, I mean you just after you know, six 140 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: months to the job, it's like, you know, you just 141 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: realized that, hey, this is going to be part of it. 142 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: And you know, the Tiger Mania thing got really roll 143 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: and you know, it became a bit of a circus 144 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: between you know, two thousand and two thousand and five 145 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: when he was at the height of his playing and 146 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, he's a once in a lifetime athlete and 147 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: obviously the best player to ever played golf and that 148 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: and a very special, very special individual and that. So 149 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: you know, it was all part and parcel of it. 150 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: And yeah, after you get accustomed to it and everything, 151 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: it just was part of the daily. 152 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: The answer to the next question is a bit of everything, 153 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, but the mental versus the physical, because physically 154 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: you couldn't beat him. He was a guy who transformed 155 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: the game in terms of his discipline physically, and yet 156 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: you need to be exceptional mentally to do it all, 157 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: don't you. 158 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent like Tiger. 159 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: Obviously, when he started getting into his prime and everyone 160 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: looked at Tiger and how he's gone about his boss A, 161 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: he was training more than. 162 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: Most people thought it was doable with golf. 163 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: You know, golf has a lot to do with thibility 164 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 3: in that his mental capacity, his strength, his mental strength, 165 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: the way that he was so focused, so determined, and 166 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: the way that he worked, he just brought a whole 167 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: new dimension to the game. Not only did he make 168 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: the game popular from a fan point of view, but 169 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: he changed the directions of what professional players became athletes. 170 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: Like you know, you could look. 171 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: At the professional golf to it and sort of say 172 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: fifty percent of the players and fifty percent of the athletes. 173 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: Well, now you could. 174 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: Look at them and say, probably ninety something percent of 175 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: these guys are athletes. Now they train and do all 176 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: the different things that would go along with other sports, 177 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: not just golf. 178 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: Is he likable, genuinely likable? 179 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's a fierce competitor, and anybody that 180 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: has as much success continually as Tiger is going to 181 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: have some haters. That's just it's not just you know, 182 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: not because of his personality, not because of the way he is, 183 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: because he's so successful, and a lot of people in 184 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: all sports don't like the guy that's at the top 185 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: because he wins too regularly. And you know, if you 186 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: go to a tournament and you know Tiger's playing in 187 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: the talk went in as height and as powers, you know, 188 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: you realistically knew that you were going to have to 189 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: play outstanding to beat this guy. 190 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: The fallout between you two, how do you view it 191 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: these days? 192 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: Look, when you sign up to be a caddy for 193 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: a boy, you don't actually sign up. There's no sort 194 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: of contract, or you work for somebody and you know 195 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: it's never going to last forever. 196 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: And if you. 197 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: Spend in our world, in a caddies world, if you 198 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: can spend five years or greater working for one play, 199 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: you consider that to be a long stint. So you know, 200 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: I was twelve thirteen years into Tiger and look, to 201 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: be honest that you know when I look back, you 202 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 3: know he asked me when I went basically what happens? 203 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: I went to caddy for Adam Scott and he asked 204 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: me not to do it. It was doing when he was injured, 205 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 3: and I should have listened to My wife said no, Steve, 206 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: you should. You know, if he says you don't want 207 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: to do it, he doesn't want you to do it, 208 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: you shouldn't do it. But in a nutshell, I didn't. 209 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: But look, you know it's when things went a bit 210 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: HAYWHI with Tiger, and that it never quite was the 211 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: same when I came back. So, but nothing lasts forever 212 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 3: when you're and yeah it was good. 213 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: And is there a desire to to I don't know, 214 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: make up, catch up put it right? Yeah, well I 215 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: would say anything. 216 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: You know. 217 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: I caught up Tiger not so long ago. I was 218 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles and caught up with it and that 219 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: and had a good old chat in that. So you know, 220 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: the time heels everything, it's no big deal. 221 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: Really, So what do you make of what's happened to 222 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: him now? Because I worry about him in the sense 223 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: that he was his swing like you look at say Couples, 224 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: Freddy Couples or any ll swing, that's the that's the 225 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: most beautiful swing you've ever seen in your life. And 226 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: I look at Tigers, which is a manufactured swing, but 227 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: a discipline manufactured swing that was going to cause you 228 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: some sort of physical difficulty in time. And look where 229 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: it's I mean, the guy's seemingly fighting pain every day. 230 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, Mike. 231 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: The very first guy that I ever cared for Peter Thompson, 232 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: the famous Australian guy, and I had great thrill every 233 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: year at the Open Championship. Peter would attend, being a 234 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: former Open champion, and he would always meet me after 235 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: one of the practice rounds and just disc us things 236 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: and talk about different things that and he said to me, Steve, 237 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: you've got to tell this guy that's he will not 238 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: be able to keep swinging like that for the rest 239 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 3: of his life. He said, he's putting way too much 240 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: pressure on his body. And of course he arguably he 241 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: was right. 242 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 243 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: Look, I mean he has had, you know, an extraordinary 244 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: stretch of surgeries and physical things that have slowed things 245 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: down on that. But you know, everybody's asking now the 246 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: fact that is at the end of the road for 247 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: Tiger Woods, in my opinion, would say, no, it's not 248 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: because until such time where he can't where he can't 249 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: get himself to train and get himself prepared for a 250 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: golf turnt where he could stand on the first tee 251 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: and physically walk four days with no hesitation and be 252 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: able to practice and get himself in shape to win 253 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: a talent. 254 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: I don't think it's quite gone yet. 255 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Amazing, hopefully amazing. I didn't realize he'd given you the 256 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: four gt. That car. I mean to come for tournament 257 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: and just go. The car is yours. And for people 258 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: who don't know what a GT is. It's it's it's 259 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of car. It's it's 260 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: it's a collector's piece of car, and you've still got that. 261 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: I take it absolutely. 262 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: It's a great collector's piece because it's the only one 263 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: of that type of New Zealand. 264 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: So it's the driver you started driving. 265 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: Not very often, not enough, but you know, the lower 266 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: the miles a bit of the more that it's worth. 267 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: So now I take it out every now and again. 268 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: That's amazing. And all the memorabilia that came with it, 269 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: it's it's do you enjoy the down memory lane aspect 270 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: of it or not? 271 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 272 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: So, not so long ago, Mike, I actually completed my 273 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: man cave, and so when I go into there and 274 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: I take someone into that man cave that's not been 275 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: in there before and look at all the stuff that it's, 276 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: it's quite a special room and it brings back memory 277 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: lane one hundred percent. And like I said, when I 278 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: was working for Tiger, we were so focused and driven 279 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: on the goals that he had set a lot of 280 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: time to celebrate. 281 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: Or go down memory lane in that. 282 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: But you know, as the years go go by, and 283 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: the book certainly has helped do that, because the book 284 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: has been a great road down memory lane for me 285 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: to be able to really live so many moments. And 286 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: you know, I researched quite a bit. I took a 287 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: lot of notes while I was catting, which I fortunately 288 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: still had those notes, and then I did a bit 289 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: of research as well just to bring up and that 290 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: was going down memory lane. So yeah, no, the man 291 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: Cave is certainly I like that kind of thing. 292 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: Now. Always good to see you appreciate it absolutely, Mike. 293 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: Good stuff, Steve Williams, and the book is together. 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