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Speaker 1: Good news. Our trust and police is recovering. The latest

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Speaker 1: crime and Victim survey is out in sixty nine percent

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Speaker 1: of people say they trust the police. This is good.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are going in the right direction. That's still though,

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Speaker 1: thirty one percent of people who don't trust the cops.

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Speaker 1: So former police negotiator Lance Burnett is joined him in

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Speaker 1: our Hello, Lace Mording, Andrew, what are these numbers tell you?

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Speaker 2: It's a good thing to be honest. Having confidence in

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Speaker 2: police has a flow on effect. So you and I

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Speaker 2: we could talk about the crime stats that came out, Well,

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Speaker 2: it depends on what you measure and they ebb and flow,

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Speaker 2: but really it's that confidence in police. There has been

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Speaker 2: a change in leadership at the top and I can

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Speaker 2: see that immediately within the organization is a positive impact.

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Speaker 2: Commissioner Richard Chambers. He has a frontline officer who has

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Speaker 2: lots of experience and operations and he's putting that to

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Speaker 2: the fore right. So he's made some changes at the

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Speaker 2: top that's going to flow on down to the police themselves.

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Speaker 2: You're now seeing more police out on the street. That's

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Speaker 2: a great thing. We're going back to opening up stations

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Speaker 2: that we're closed. See the of what is happening here

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Speaker 2: is to be able to see police to get them

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Speaker 2: back into the community, and that makes people feel safe.

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Speaker 2: Therefore it lifts their confidence and more likely to report crime. Now,

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Speaker 2: there could be a bit of a backlash, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: there is that more people start to report crime, so

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Speaker 2: we suddenly have this great fear factor of goodness, me,

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Speaker 2: crime's going up. No, it's not. People have more confidence

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Speaker 2: to report crime, so you can expect perhaps a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a bullip, but it's a good thing. I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing more cops around Auckland City and it's great to

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Speaker 2: see them back walking on the street.

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Speaker 1: It's going back to first principles. We were trying to

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Speaker 1: save money, but it was a silly decision. But hey,

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Speaker 1: we still have thirty one percent of people who don't

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Speaker 1: trust the cops. So what does that say to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, that says to me, you're always going to have

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Speaker 2: a number. And it depends on the time of the

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Speaker 2: survey whether they had a positive or negative interaction with police.

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason. I ended up investigating police officers and

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Speaker 2: what I was most of the complaints were from attitude

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Speaker 2: or bad language, and so who hasn't said a bad thing,

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Speaker 2: or who hasn't a bad day and who hasn't had

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Speaker 2: something happened before they go, so that could have an impact.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I also want to come back to

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Speaker 2: the fact that it's not just police that we need

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Speaker 2: to focus on. If we're going to look overall at

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Speaker 2: reducing crime, there's other agencies. Reducing poverty, lifting education, and

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Speaker 2: lowering unemployment are the three drivers of crime, so we

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Speaker 2: can start focusing on them. But yeah, overall, I think

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Speaker 2: this is a really good sign, a really good sign

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Speaker 2: for the future.

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Speaker 1: Lad. So thank you for your Termlinesperdetz, who is a

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Speaker 1: former police negotiating for more from.

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Speaker 2: Earlier edition with Ryan Bridge.

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