1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: There's new Maori ward law is playing at a council 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: level around the country as we speak. The Cipriate District 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Council gathers this morning. They're going to vote on whether 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: to keep it or go for a vote and ditchit 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: or digit The Capital Cast councilors have chosen to keep 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: their award this week and they'll go to a referendum. 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: The mayor up North though, is Craig Gipson, who is 8 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: with there's Craig, very good money. 9 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: To you, Good morning, Mike. 10 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: How much angst around all of this generally? 11 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: Probably a lot more than I expected. We've got protests 12 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: coming into Long and White today. Evidently seems to be 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: a lot of media attention and it's not a present 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: situation actually, to be honest, are you here. 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Kicking and screaming as a council in other words, you 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done what the central government has. 17 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Done, what I shaid have rated that Simming and Brown 18 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: said that it was a return to democracy, because I 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: believe it was. And then I ran the petition back 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty before and I retrospectively changed the law 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: and I had a very strong mandate of eight point 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: eight percent of my voters here signing the petition wanting 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: to have you know, they didn't want the Mary Award. 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: No, the I mean, you can't argue about the democracy thing, 25 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: can you. I mean, what Mahuta did was undemocratic, and 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: what councils do if they don't ask people is undemocratic, 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean it's irrefutably true. 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Oh, that's correct, that's what happened. And you know, the 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: thing that's interesting about my position is I then went 30 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: to the election with my one hundred and fifty word 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: statement where I clearly said that I'd sponsored and presented 32 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: to the kip of district the petition objecting to the 33 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: undemocratic introduction of the race based ward and I received 34 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: one thousand and five hundred and ninety two votes above 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: the nearest candidate competing against me out of six. So 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: I see that as a very strong mandaten. 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's democracy, isn't it? And that is a mandate. 38 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: The interesting thing about it is what councils are doing now. 39 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll vote for a referendum because they 40 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: know if a referendum was held, apart from being a 41 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: waste of money, they'll lose, won't they. I mean, the 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: history tells us they'll lose. 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: That's right. 44 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: No, no one votes for a Maori ward or seat 45 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: when given the opportunity. I think I think that's a 46 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: statement of fact, isn't it. 47 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: I think it is. Look, I've worked with Mary my business, 48 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: but there was Mary. I have had probably what would 49 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: be classes at married business actually in the concrete game, 50 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: in the subdivision game. And you know those guys I 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 2: talked to them all the time still and that you 52 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: know they don't they don't feel they need to be 53 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 2: demeaned by having special special war. You know, we're well 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: represented anyway, but married by a population, and we've got 55 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: three meals in the country, we've got make up north there, 56 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: we've got tony of taps, or we've got farn hour 57 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: from winning something. Well, we're all represented. And if people 58 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: are good, no matter what their race or religional color 59 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: or whatever, done good, people will vote the man. That's 60 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: as simple as that, and that's been happening in our country. 61 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: We don't need to give special privilege. 62 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: That's what I worry about. And the other thing is 63 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: we talk about Mary as though they're one group, as 64 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: though you might talk about men as one group or 65 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: tall people as one group, and it's not true. 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: Now, it's not. We're a very blended, mixed society. You know. 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: I've got heaps of mates out there, and I've got 68 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: you know, they marry with a blond wife, you know. 69 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: I mean they feel quite confused by it, or you know, 70 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: they want to celebrate their married culture, but they also 71 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: don't forget about their other mix. You know, we're a 72 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 2: very mixed bunch of people. 73 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Actually, you have any sense of how the council will 74 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: vote today? 75 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: No, I don't. Actually I'm not overly confident either way. 76 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: I think as we'll be once again, it will be 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: a democratic process. Everyone has their views. I just hope 78 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: that some of them are not going to vote the 79 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: way they don't want to vote because they feel intimidated. 80 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: There's a little bit of that feeling there, I think. 81 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll see. I'll run the meeting as best 82 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: I can and hopefully the democratic process will give us 83 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: a result that you know, we'll have to live with. 84 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Craig, nice to talk to you, appreciate it 85 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: very much. 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