WEBVTT - Angela Bloomfield - Life is a grey area

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<v Speaker 1>The Zitim podcast network.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started on the show. I was nineteen, she

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<v Speaker 2>was sixteen, and I was basically the vehicle for any

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<v Speaker 2>teen issue you could have playing a character five days

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<v Speaker 2>a week and going where do you start? And where

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<v Speaker 2>does she stop? And so yeah, I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>probably the polarizing bit for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, here we are again.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to another episode of Hope is of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast designed to help you feel a little less alone,

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<v Speaker 3>a bit more inspired, and of course, as always a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more hopeful. Now today's episode, we have an icon,

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<v Speaker 3>a legend. I would go as far as say New

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<v Speaker 3>Zealand Royalty Angela Bloomfield. You may have seen her on

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<v Speaker 3>your screens growing up on Shortland Street. You may have

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<v Speaker 3>seen her on such shows as Celebritish Treuter Island Dancing

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<v Speaker 3>with the Stars, and as a matter of fact, on

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast we both talk about our experiences on their

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<v Speaker 3>kind of sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>We both did those two shows.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't do Shortland Street obviously, but she did, and

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<v Speaker 3>she talks about a whole bunch of different stuff, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of living life in the public eye, but then

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<v Speaker 3>also dealing with anxiety, panic attacks and doing that on

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<v Speaker 3>set in front of a bunch of people, she talks

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<v Speaker 3>of an experience that she had where she began to

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<v Speaker 3>realize that this was more than just anxiety, that she

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<v Speaker 3>was really getting pushed into the side of panic attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>And not really knowing how to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Angela opens up about her divorce and her postpartum depression

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<v Speaker 3>and everything that happened along those times.

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<v Speaker 1>For her.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a really difficult time that she managed to

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<v Speaker 3>really fight through. She's got some beautiful moments, some beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>realizations in this episode, and it's been such an honor

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to sit with her and hear her

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<v Speaker 3>story as someone that I grew up watching. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>watching her when I was younger on the TV, and

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<v Speaker 3>to sit with her now and kind of hear her

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<v Speaker 3>wisdom has been incredible. So I hope that you guys

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy this episode. As always, If anything and here triggers you,

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<v Speaker 3>please it's okay to take time, It's okay to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to people, but other than their Angela's story is coming

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<v Speaker 3>up right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Angela, Welcome to Hope It's All the podcast. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm great? Thank you for having me to meet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited for you to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm setting amongst New Zealand royalty right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Really I do will skip it up and died. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It used to be.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you still are, like I just anyone who kind

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<v Speaker 3>of has watched TV in the last twin When were

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<v Speaker 3>you first.

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<v Speaker 2>Cast on Shortland Street ninety two?

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<v Speaker 1>That's before I was born.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a little bit older than you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so many mini years.

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<v Speaker 2>Many years that you. I feel like that beginning a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot of people have just kind of grown up with you,

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<v Speaker 3>which is Yeah, that's a vibey gear, yeah, which is amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want to I want to talk about that

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<v Speaker 3>so in kind of that even just your hold journey

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<v Speaker 3>with that, so you're there for such a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we do that, as I was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>researching for this podcast, I realized we've got two exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the same TV shows, reality TV shows that we're cloth done,

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<v Speaker 3>Dancing with the Stars and Slebrity Treasure Island.

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<v Speaker 2>This is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to ask which one did you prefer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because so I did Dancing with the Stars

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<v Speaker 2>like fifteen years ago, and then so when I reflect

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<v Speaker 2>upon it. I'm like, I feel like I couldn't do

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<v Speaker 2>that now because it's really rigorous, as you've experienced, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I think I would probably right now do a

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<v Speaker 2>Treasure Island again because I feel like it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>whole performing live on a dance that you've taken a

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<v Speaker 2>week to learn. Likes that's next level kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing achievement stuff like really pat yourself on the

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<v Speaker 2>back stuff, but it's it requires so much of you

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<v Speaker 2>physically and mentally.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like people need to know like it's live,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's as live as gets and I think people

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<v Speaker 3>don't sometimes understand that. And I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 3>but like when you do the big like light the

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<v Speaker 3>rehearsal right before the live show, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>everything tends to go wrong there the amount of times

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<v Speaker 3>that we caked lifts on my finale dance, we did

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<v Speaker 3>the dirty dancing lift and in the rehearsal right before

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<v Speaker 3>I went right over into the judges desk, like, did

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<v Speaker 3>you have any incidences like in those rehearsals where you

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<v Speaker 3>caked it?

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have. I didn't have anything like that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly had that feeling of like not maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>quite heading it or still not being where I needed

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<v Speaker 2>it to be. And then I don't drink coffee. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was one night I know, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>it got through life, but so there was one night,

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<v Speaker 2>this is fifteen years ago, where I was feeling quite

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<v Speaker 2>low in energy. So I had like a three month

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<v Speaker 2>four month old baby when I did Dancing at the Stars,

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<v Speaker 2>so she went from three months to six months over

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<v Speaker 2>that time. And there was one weekend I was feeling

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<v Speaker 2>real tired. It was a two dance show and I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have a red bull. I don't drink

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<v Speaker 2>coffee and I've never really can know, and I suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>it was oh, I remember. I still feel like really

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<v Speaker 2>angry at myself, but I did it because I got

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<v Speaker 2>really floppy and I couldn't hit anything sharply and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew it was the red bull. And that was the

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<v Speaker 2>night I went home and it was just this whole

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, yeah, this whole kind of like why

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<v Speaker 2>did I do that? I could have been so much better?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how far did you make it through?

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<v Speaker 2>I was only not in two shows, so wow, it

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<v Speaker 2>felt good?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty far.

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<v Speaker 2>But at that time it was an early days I

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<v Speaker 2>got eliminated. It felt like the shortened street person was

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<v Speaker 2>eliminated at the female was eliminated on the same show.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's controversial to say it's not actually about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it would just so happen, not Mariamah or people

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<v Speaker 2>later on, but it was the same week. It was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got bums and seats, now you can go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so ruthers.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was doing it, I genuinely can't comprehend how

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<v Speaker 3>you did this with a three month old, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>had no humans that I was looking after and I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't function, or.

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<v Speaker 2>I had two humans I was talking after. One would

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<v Speaker 2>just happen to be a little baby. I think for me,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you know me, well, you know that I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to pack it in, not intentionally, but like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this just seems to be the right time to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they asked me to do it, and my

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<v Speaker 2>brain I went, oh, third season, such a synic, probably

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<v Speaker 2>won't do more than four. I've got to do it now.

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<v Speaker 2>There won't be another chart retrospect. I was so wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I just and I hadn't been on Telly

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years, and I hadn't been working,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd been a mum, and I think there was a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of me that wanted to earn some money and

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<v Speaker 2>have some worth in that space, and also just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to get back out there and do something that was

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<v Speaker 2>me centric. But I don't want to boys who not

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Not at all, do you.

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<v Speaker 2>But for me, the contract was I'm a real contract person,

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<v Speaker 2>and it basically said, we're in Wellington all weekend and

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<v Speaker 2>through the course of the week, you need to do

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<v Speaker 2>ten hours of dance training. And I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>can do that. I can do that with my babies.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it was about the fifth show and I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to I think Lorraine Downs's partner, dance partner,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just like, I don't know how you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, and I said, it is. We're all doing

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<v Speaker 2>it the same way, aren't We's like two hours of

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<v Speaker 2>dance a day and he was like what, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, the contract like two hours of dance

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<v Speaker 2>training a day was like on a lorrain and I

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<v Speaker 2>are in the studio eight hours a day, six hours

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<v Speaker 2>a day. And I went I went, well, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>kind of go, you're cheating, but in my brain it

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<v Speaker 2>had never been suggested to me that we could dance

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<v Speaker 2>more than ten hours, and I committed to ten hours

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<v Speaker 2>a week and on a two dance week, that was

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of time for Johnny. And he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>ever say to me, hey, have you got more hours

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<v Speaker 2>than you? And I just cried and cried and cried,

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<v Speaker 2>and I lost all well to live and went well

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<v Speaker 2>if I know when you know, it was just and

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<v Speaker 2>that was it. It just it just fell over. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I we were doing like.

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<v Speaker 3>We were in the studio up to ten hours a

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<v Speaker 3>day for were eleven weeks straight. Didn't have a single

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<v Speaker 3>day off because were you doing two shows or one show?

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<v Speaker 2>We did one show?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we did the two So we were doing

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<v Speaker 3>the Sunday Mondays and then yeah, Davi your dancing by

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<v Speaker 3>like the Wednesday, and so we literally had no days off.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the end of it, you're just like so

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<v Speaker 3>exhausted and just so ready to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>But I felt like I felt that same exhaustion.

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<v Speaker 3>Ready to be done when I did Treasure Island as well,

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<v Speaker 3>which was more recent for you.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you do Treasure Island?

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<v Speaker 2>I did Treasure Island in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Oh, so that would have been the COVID twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>No, so that's when we came out. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>one out of the COVID. Oh yeah, so no, so

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<v Speaker 2>we meant to do it twenty twenty and we did

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<v Speaker 2>it twenty twenty one, right, so it got ditched and

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<v Speaker 2>then reprised. And yeah, when I look back home, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a whole different kind of broken. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>for me, And it seems so basic to say out aloud.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why I didn't think of it

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<v Speaker 2>as going to be the niggle point. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lack of food, a lack of sleep, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of connection to people that mean something to you,

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<v Speaker 2>for me personally just derails me. And I didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>about that as a thing. I was so obsessed with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, perception and people going they're going to try

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<v Speaker 2>and bait you and turn you into this agitated person.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, I can, you know I can.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just wasn't about that. It was stripping away

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<v Speaker 2>basic need no food, no sleep, a real sense of

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm having to survive and no person there that's

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<v Speaker 2>like your person. Yeah, yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like we had kind of similar Rish experiences

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<v Speaker 3>with Treasure Island and then even kind of the aftermath.

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to a of mine this morning saying

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<v Speaker 3>that I was about to interview and they were just like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I think she had a real rough time on the

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<v Speaker 3>island of what that whatever they eat it was, which again,

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<v Speaker 3>people do not comprehend that reality TV is not reality,

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's so many things that can be edited and skewed,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, I know that for me, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the times the producers would really kind of try and

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<v Speaker 3>pull out a story or be like, well, did you

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<v Speaker 3>see those people like over there talking and when you're

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<v Speaker 3>tired and you haven't eaten and all of that, you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, everyone hates me, Like I was, just

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was so hard. Did you when when

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<v Speaker 3>the show then came out, what was the response like,

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<v Speaker 3>and how did you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? That's a whole different ballgame, isn't it. And and

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<v Speaker 2>that's also the thing that I was very unprepared for.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the worst part of it because when

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<v Speaker 2>I was we still call it the island, even though

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<v Speaker 2>in nor the Island. When we were on the island,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was pretty good at well not pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my default. If there's a camera there, then we're working,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if there's a mic on me, then we're working.

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<v Speaker 2>And as soon as they went I was in rest mode.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think a lot of people were like, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you really got into it. And I was like, when

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<v Speaker 2>the camera was there, like when the camera's not there,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just sitting there, you know, chilling, doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I definitely gave good I'm here to play a

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<v Speaker 2>game for you know, the show, But yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>When it came to air, I was just I was

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<v Speaker 2>really thrown by what other people had said about me,

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<v Speaker 2>which I didn't expect to be thrown by and also

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<v Speaker 2>didn't expect to have it said about me, and it

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<v Speaker 2>felt so it felt so left of field because I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't see the person that they were seeing, and they

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<v Speaker 2>almost had created this really competitive person. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not me. I'm just you've asked me to

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<v Speaker 2>play a game. I'm here and I'm playing it when

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<v Speaker 2>you were here filming. But that's the beginning and the

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<v Speaker 2>end of it. And yeah, I think for me, I

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<v Speaker 2>was started off with a whole lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sports Stars was a very different sort of personality type

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<v Speaker 2>to mine, and it was all and we got very

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<v Speaker 2>quickly into what you're here to offer, what you bring,

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<v Speaker 2>and it became really clear immediately that they felt I

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<v Speaker 2>bought nothing because I didn't have any physical strength, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like so thrown by, Oh, I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>this space nothing that you see of value. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it did take a good sort of eight days or

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<v Speaker 2>something for them to be a team adjustment. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I found people but were also not sports stars, that

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<v Speaker 2>were just having fun and doing best thing ready for

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<v Speaker 2>and which is something that actors do, like basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing about your day or something that you learned,

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<v Speaker 2>and I felt really comforted and that for me was

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<v Speaker 2>where the fun happened. And watching it was exactly like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it started off being really hard to watch, and

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<v Speaker 2>I literally would watch it with all my family and

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<v Speaker 2>all my friends, so we'd all be watching it at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time and in like a zoom so that

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<v Speaker 2>in the ads we could mute it and they could

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<v Speaker 2>sit there and I could debrief and they were going,

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<v Speaker 2>no that read well and like because I just needed

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<v Speaker 2>so much kind of off the ledge chat and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think I thought I was stronger than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really, I mean I literally felt the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Like watching I think what was really hard about something

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<v Speaker 3>like that is one everything that you experience is obviously

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<v Speaker 3>so long before it even years, like it's everything that

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<v Speaker 3>happens on the island, and then suddenly you're seeing it

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<v Speaker 3>back and it's kind of different to what you remember.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Really taken aback by the fact that I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>how it was going to come across or how people

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<v Speaker 3>what people were going to say. And I was actually

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much fine through the whole thing until they there

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<v Speaker 3>was a storyline that didn't actually happen that came out

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<v Speaker 3>for mine.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finding out and seeing.

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<v Speaker 3>It with the rest of the country I think is

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<v Speaker 3>a really hard thing as well, Like you're hearing these

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<v Speaker 3>things about yourself alongside everyone else, and it's it's really difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, but there are such fun moments on

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<v Speaker 3>that show as well, right, but I do think like

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<v Speaker 3>it it just tests you so much with like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>not eating, not doing any of that, and not having

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<v Speaker 3>people like there was one night I went up with

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<v Speaker 3>the producer and just like lost, like bawling my eyes

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<v Speaker 3>out to the point of like I need to quit,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I cannot do this.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like no, stay And I ended up.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting eliminated a few days later anyway, so which I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very thankful for now. I mean, my first shower after

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<v Speaker 3>that show, and it was like brown as it was

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<v Speaker 3>like as the showers going. It was so gross because

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<v Speaker 3>we were in Queen, Wanica and the lake was freezing,

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<v Speaker 3>so like we didn't want to be out there, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>But how doy TV's weird?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it was also hard for you because

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<v Speaker 3>you've grown up, like you've done all of your a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of your on screen stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You're playing someone else and all these shows it's you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and that's been And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>take anything away from the people that watched the show

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<v Speaker 2>and watched me and supported me and actually enjoyed me,

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<v Speaker 2>because that that's important. But we're breaking it down into

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<v Speaker 2>actually what it was like. But I think, yes, since

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<v Speaker 2>since doing stuff outside of scripted work, which has only

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the last set of ten years, I and

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<v Speaker 2>also doing my new job, you know, real estate, it's

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<v Speaker 2>that real thing of like who am I? Who am I?

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<v Speaker 2>Playing a character? Five days a week and going where

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<v Speaker 2>do you start and where does she stop? And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was probably the polarizing bit for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was myself on TV, but it was me and

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying it, and there was nothing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't say anything bad about anybody or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but you could see that I was emotionally fraught and

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<v Speaker 2>struggling and watching yourself in that space and knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else is watching as well. It's just like opening

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<v Speaker 2>your diary or opening your ribcage and going come in

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<v Speaker 2>and see all the that layers underneath. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, I don't know if I can have

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<v Speaker 2>people see me this fragile.

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<v Speaker 3>I fully understand that, and I think, you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 3>that's kind of been what I got. I hate saying

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<v Speaker 3>it's such a weird thing to say. What I got

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<v Speaker 3>knowing for was literally like, here's all of my life trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>And so people saw that. But for people that have

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<v Speaker 3>grown up or have kind of lived careers like yourself

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<v Speaker 3>or like sports stars or people that have been in

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<v Speaker 3>the public eye, and there is this kind of way

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<v Speaker 3>that you need to hold yourself when you get used

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<v Speaker 3>to holding yourself to kind of be able to, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess handle that. To then have people see some of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff that you're struggling with is like it's hard,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's frightening and it's scary. But I also think

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<v Speaker 3>it's what humanizes you. And it's like you can be

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<v Speaker 3>this rock star five days a week on TV and

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<v Speaker 3>also be a real life human and I think people

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<v Speaker 3>often disconnect that and only see you as this person

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<v Speaker 3>who they were seeing on TV, but actually there's so

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<v Speaker 3>much more behind there.

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<v Speaker 1>How old were you when you got cast on Fallen Street?

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<v Speaker 2>I was nineteen woweah?

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<v Speaker 1>And you were on it for how many years?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean about twenty five? But sometime some parts of

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<v Speaker 2>that I was directing, and then most of the time

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<v Speaker 2>I was acting.

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<v Speaker 3>Dang, I was reading. While I was doing the research

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<v Speaker 3>for this. There was kind of someone who did like

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<v Speaker 3>a roundup of your character, which I was just like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh. It was not like a round but

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<v Speaker 3>just like the things that your character went through, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just I was shook by all of this. You

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<v Speaker 3>survived full marriages? No, it says you survived full marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know? Was it a lie? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's see, she got married to Nick Harrison,

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<v Speaker 2>for the the what do you do in university to

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<v Speaker 2>get the money when you're married. I didn't go to university.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. The yeah allowancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, yeah, something like that. So that wasn't a that

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<v Speaker 2>was a wedding. It was like a you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>protesting thing. Okay, so it wasn't a real wedding. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there was no one else. And then before they

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<v Speaker 2>brought me back. At one point I came back for

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<v Speaker 2>like a special birthday or something and so and had

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<v Speaker 2>an affair with Chris and I had I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I was married to him, but I had a partner.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Chris Warner is the person that I married, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know where they got marriages from. Four people.

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<v Speaker 1>Cautless explosions.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's always an explosion. There's always on Shorty Street.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in a part of them and I've filmed them,

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<v Speaker 2>and they tend to be pretty awesome but also very

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<v Speaker 2>you get one hit at it, right. So I had

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<v Speaker 2>the major one one day where Rachel is an alcoholic

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<v Speaker 2>and she'd been driving drunk and she caused a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>accident and there was a burning car and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a baby in the back of the burning car. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to get the baby out and then I

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<v Speaker 2>had to run away, and the key shot was me

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<v Speaker 2>running with the baby and the car exploding in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>You get one shot it at multiple cameras, and I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you just don't want to do anything terrible

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to muck it up. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>my reaction or my physical arch to the bang was

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit overcooked. And I'll never forget it.

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<v Speaker 3>How many explosions can one hospital like, it's quite concerning,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a soap opera, and I know, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years old, and it should be at least it There

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<v Speaker 2>should be at least an explosion a year, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're talking about a rate of.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is her alcoholism was in this as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I read an eating disorder. Was that a part of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely? So I started on the show, I was nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>she was sixteen, and I was basically vehicle for any

0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:06.800
<v Speaker 2>teen issue you could have. So, you know, she was

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<v Speaker 2>the daughter of separated parents. She had bolimia and anorexia,

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<v Speaker 2>she had STDs, she hadn't it's anything. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>that thing of like every couple of months. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>do teenagers go through this? So yeah, but alcoholism was

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<v Speaker 2>the resounding because her dad was an alcoholic, Right, how

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<v Speaker 2>was that portraying that? I mean, this sounds terrible but

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<v Speaker 2>fun but also at times, and I suppose this is

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<v Speaker 2>where we're unpacking it. Right when I was probably in

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<v Speaker 2>the depths of one of the longer times that they

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<v Speaker 2>traversed the alcoholism, I got really unwell, and so my

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<v Speaker 2>body because you're basically telling yourself that you have nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>You're worth nothing, you know, And so that was the

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<v Speaker 2>state I was sitting in for a couple of months,

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<v Speaker 2>because that was what my character was doing, just having

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<v Speaker 2>outbursts and being in a really bad place and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to help, and she's pushing people away. So

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<v Speaker 2>it lasts for quite a while, and I remember just

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<v Speaker 2>getting this rational over my body and just feeling crap

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<v Speaker 2>and going to the doctor and they you know, did

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<v Speaker 2>tests and things. But it was just that I was

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<v Speaker 2>feeding myself the message that I was a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>shit and my body was trying to survive. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>when I started learning about meditation and power of thought,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got some strategies courtesy of another actor, which

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<v Speaker 2>I still share with people to other actors to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>about how to sort of breathe yourself back in and

0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 2>breathe the character out, and just little rituals that you

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<v Speaker 2>can do so that when you do finally walk in

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<v Speaker 2>the door, you're as close to you as you can

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<v Speaker 2>be as opposed to because you've got to think, when

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<v Speaker 2>I go home, I'm learning my lines for the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the point at that time, I was living alone,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was just very immersed in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of self kind of achiness, and my body just didn't cope.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's such a like a physical example of

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<v Speaker 3>what the power of thoughts is, right Like the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that obviously, for you, it was a character that then

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<v Speaker 3>morphed into you weren't able to get away from those thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>And then for people who may be struggling with these

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<v Speaker 3>thoughts themselves, and then to be constantly dwelling on it

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<v Speaker 3>and thinking about it like that literally your body starts

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<v Speaker 3>to believe it and have those responses to it. And

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that you, who were portraying another character, that

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<v Speaker 3>started to kind of leak over to your everyday life

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<v Speaker 3>is such a crazy kind of representation of that, like

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<v Speaker 3>how how do you separate those things when you've got

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<v Speaker 3>this character going through so many crazy things and like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, you're at that point, you're living alone and

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<v Speaker 3>you're learning lines and next. I don't know people know

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<v Speaker 3>that Chortland Street at that time was or is the

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<v Speaker 3>fastest like what's it called moving TV show?

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<v Speaker 2>Like multi camera? Yeah, like Last turn Around TV. Yeah,

0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:19.359
<v Speaker 2>we do it really fast, and I think, yeah. I

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>also got my training on the set of Shortened Street.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't go to a drama school where you're

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<v Speaker 2>taught how to manage building a character and a toolbooks,

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<v Speaker 2>a toolbox of sort of like ways of finding your emotions,

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<v Speaker 2>and so my way of finding my emotions and teaching

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 2>myself was to think bad things. And I remember when

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 2>I was very young, I reveled in it. I remember

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 2>me and my brother were brushing washing the dishes and

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I was on washing and he was on drying, and

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like watch this, and I sort of turned

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 2>away and I was washing the dishes and I was

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 2>just thinking awful things, like about our parents dying and stuff.

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.119
<v Speaker 2>And then I turned around and I'm like crying. He's like,

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.640
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm like, I know, so impressed with myself,

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>but like, you need to learn safe ways of engaging

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 2>emotion and it eventually needs to come not from source

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>spots or your own trauma. And as an actor, yeah,

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.359
<v Speaker 2>once you've experienced this a few times and you know

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<v Speaker 2>ways of doing that. And I think the other thing

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>that I was sort of traversing around that time when

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I was playing those sort of more challenging storylines was

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 2>there was kind of the height of shortened Street and

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>so at the same time, whenever I left the house,

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 2>there was just eyes on me. And it was also

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 2>a fun time in the nineties where we were getting

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 2>invited to parties and there was just this very strange

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>world that I was suddenly a part of. So on

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.160
<v Speaker 2>the one hand, I'm just trying to be a really

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.919
<v Speaker 2>good actor and was very invested in my character, and

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.679
<v Speaker 2>on the weekends, I'm sort of trying to blow it

0:24:56.720 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>off and partying, and yeah, it was just a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even imagine, like, especially at the peak of

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 3>that show, like literally the whole country was blooming watching it,

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:12.680
<v Speaker 3>and I know, like even for me, since I came

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.199
<v Speaker 3>out of Lockdown and TikTok Blew up, Like I have

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 3>so much social anxiety now because I just there's eyes

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.959
<v Speaker 3>on me all the time, and I can't even imagine,

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 3>for you going eyes on you on the screen all

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.160
<v Speaker 3>week and then step outside your house and more eyes

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 3>on you again.

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Like it's a lot, like a lot to deal with.

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 3>And I know that you've spoken a bit about this

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<v Speaker 3>in an interview that I read anyway about starting to

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 3>experience panic attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you kind of explain the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>That you remember feeling anxiety and then the first time

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<v Speaker 3>that you experienced a panic attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny because I knew we were going to

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>be chatting about it, and so I sort of had

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 2>a little dig around my memory banks, and I think

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I do healthy or not sort of clearly do by

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 2>what I'm about to say. I just I block stuff out,

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:04.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So for me, I remember being on set,

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and mine stems from not getting it right, So me

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>myself feeling like I'm failing, which is actually such a crippling,

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>stupid headspace to be in for a creative because now

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I know the whole point of being better as an

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 2>actor is to get it wrong, is to start and

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 2>not know where it's going to go. That's the beauty

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and the good stuff. So I was constantly trying to

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and as I was untrained, I didn't want to get

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 2>it wrong, so I was constantly trying to control everything.

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>And I remember being on set and something had happened

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>and we were behind, as we are often, but that

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 2>can get stressful when you're behind, and people can get

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 2>stressed and push that out there, you know. And I

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 2>just remember and they were getting ready to film and

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the scene started with me in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>space and no one else, and I just remember feeling

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 2>my whole body going really weird and going, I'm about

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 2>to cry something. Something bad's happening to my body. And

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 2>I got something, you know, like I hadn't failed it before,

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and multiple cameras staring at me darkness, people were about

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to and I just my instinct was just you need

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.400
<v Speaker 2>to remove yourself, and so I just slowly stood up

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 2>and I just walked away into the darkness and just

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 2>lost it.

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 2>And it probably wasn't yet till years later that I

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and I had experienced it. Since that someone told me

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>that it was a panic attack. But I was speaking

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 2>to my mum in the weekend and she kind of

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 2>told me about something that started much earlier I was

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>on the show, but much earlier than I remember. She

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.479
<v Speaker 2>recounted a story that we were in a maw and

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 2>I just and I was around the corner kind of

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 2>like bent over, just like not breathing, and I was

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 2>just like.

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Ohow, And you don't remember that. Wow. So your brain

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 1>and your body is literally just kind of blocked blocked

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>it out.

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow.

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 3>I think it's really interesting that you talk about, especially

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 3>as a creative, and that it wasn't it was around

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 3>not being able to get things right. I think I

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.399
<v Speaker 3>speak and the hundreds of schools every year, and you

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 3>see so many kids that go through that just from

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 3>the pressure of even just with their parents and trying

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.679
<v Speaker 3>to get into the best schools or get the best grades,

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 3>and especially around exam time, and people go on to

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 3>this full fledged panic attacks around just not being good

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 3>enough or not being able to kind of meet expectations.

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 3>And for you to have been doing that kind of

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 3>earlier than you even remember, what was how how long

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 3>do you think you were experiencing kind of that that

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 3>heightened time of panic attacks when you were on the show.

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>The whole time, whole time.

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I just got better at managing it and

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 2>learned strategies around it. But I think my kind of

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>default of getting it right happened very early on in

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>my life, like as a little in you know, And

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 2>so it really is the making of you as a person.

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I still have it now and I have to

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of just I just blow it off, do you

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? I go, it is what it is.

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I still I'm still incredibly driven and ambitious, and I

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 2>try and make it as good as it can be.

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>But at some point I go not to the level

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>we were going to get deranged about it, but and

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:40.239
<v Speaker 2>often it isn't. I you know, watched my daughter her

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 2>first year of exams at high school. And I don't

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>put any pressure on my children to be anything other

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 2>than the best that they want to be. You know.

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 2>It's really like I'll say to them, I feel like,

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a space between what you're applying yourself,

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like there's a bit more to give.

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 2>But that's on you. You know that that's totally up

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>to you if you want to if you want to

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 2>stop at that level. And I watched Maya just wrap

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 2>herself up in nots and and a lot of emotions

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of dysregulation, and we talked about it

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot, and that was just her dance up to

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>something that meant a lot to her. So we worked

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot the next year about just changing the dance

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 2>because you get to decide what it looks like.

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.719
<v Speaker 1>I really love that saying change the dance.

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's really cool. Well, well, we all do it, right,

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and I think actors do it, and so often in

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>acting terms, I talk and like movement and dance and

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>whatever your your thing is. But and everyone has their

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>thing and some people, some people do need to turn themselves.

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I choose not to, you know, yeah yeah, and to be.

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Able to even just kind of go through and experience

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 3>those feelings. But I really love that the way that

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 3>you just worded that because I also think that it

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 3>it gives the power back to people that are going

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 3>through that as well too. You do have the ability

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 3>to change that response and to prepare yourself. And when

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 3>I was going through kind of everything, when treas railing

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 3>came out for me, I remember someone saying it's pre

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 3>warned is pre armed. And I think when you've gone

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 3>through something like that before, and you've kind of got

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 3>that pre warning of that's what has happened. You can

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 3>be pre armed, and you can kind of put in

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 3>the work and do the things to be able to

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I guess, change the not necessarily the outcome, but change

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 3>the way in which you respond. And I think sometimes

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 3>with anxiety and with with panic attacks, it can feel

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 3>so overwhelming and all consuming that you feel like it

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 3>will never it could never change. And I would love

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 3>to know what your advice would be to anyone who's

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 3>listening to this that might be dealing with panic attacks

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 3>themselves and just like this is like at the peak

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 3>of it, this is what I'm going to live with forever.

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>What would you say to them?

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, so much. I think it's doing it's talking to

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>people sharing. Obviously it's a cliche, because it's true. You know,

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>a problem shared is a problem haves So finding someone

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>anyone in your life that you can share it with,

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 2>because saying it out aloud is half the problem because

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:12.479
<v Speaker 2>then you go, oh, you know, it's not admitting it,

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's going it's safe enough to talk about. And

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>then that person, hopefully or someone in your life, will

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:23.959
<v Speaker 2>give you some strategies around managing panic attacks, like I

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>know that there's some that you can't think yourself out of,

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>but there is definitely ways that you can minimize. So

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>grounding as one having that truth in your head that

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 2>no state stays the same. Every state moves, everything evolves,

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 2>nothing stays the same. So this the state will evolve

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 2>and move. But I think grounding is probably the thing

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I do the most when I feel like I'm getting disregulated,

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and it just it's just an immediate kind of like

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>stops the brain and lets the body rest, because that's

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>what it is. You just have to let you stop

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>your body and let it rest.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really love that, And it's just so it's

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 3>so relevant to so many people. And I think that

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 3>for people that are watching, like I said, people on

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 3>screen or sports fields or whatever, it may be just

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 3>this assumption that they don't struggle with anything.

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's not true.

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 3>And I mean we were just talking before we started

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 3>recording that you were at an event that I was

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be at not too long ago, and I

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 3>literally couldn't go because of the panic and anxiety that

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I had, which has kind of escalated more so recently.

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you've ever had a situation like

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 3>this growing up on Shorten Street.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>But I had a stalker situation.

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 3>But this guy flew over from the Netherlands to find me,

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 3>found my house within two days, located me with sending

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 3>very threatening, scary messages, and then I had the criminal

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 3>behavior forensic psychologist from police who specializes in psychopaths basically

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 3>talk me through what to do if worst case scenario happened,

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 3>like it was terrifying, and this was only about a

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 3>maybe two months ago, I think, And so then being

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 3>out in public situations.

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Like the panic is so real.

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 3>But having to do these things again and remind myself

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 3>and grounding myself and trying to not let it take

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 3>over my social life has been a really kind of

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 3>big journey for me, and also why I was really

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 3>excited to also have you one. I think around the

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 3>idea of anxiety and panic attacks and still having to

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 3>live your day to day life knowing that this is

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 3>something that you can experience, but also just breaking down

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 3>the stigma of it of like we all go through

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 3>stuff and it's really about learning to manage it and

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 3>to deal with it. And grounding has been such a

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 3>massive thing for me that's really helped as well, did

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 3>you ever have any kind of when you're on kind

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.760
<v Speaker 3>of the peak of shortened street like scary interaction with people?

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Remember I'm a good blocker, OUs.

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Pointing, just dig right back into that art.

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, nothing, nothing that compares to We've just been

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 2>not not at all. I mean I've certainly been yelled

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>at in the street and yelled you know, yucky things

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 2>like you've got chlamydia and oh yeah you know. But

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 2>and I mean, fear just keeps you walking, right, do

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? What? What? What are you?

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 2>What am I going to? What was I going to? Do?

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 2>You just carry on walking? I suppose for a week

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>while there, if someone called out Rachel, I wouldn't turn around.

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 2>But if someone called out it was kind of my

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>little rule someone new. Was someone going to call out Angela,

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>then I then they get me. I can I'm going

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to turn around. But if they call out Rachel.

0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>It's not my name, Well, people struggle.

0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm allowed to keep walking. Yeah.

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that still to this day.

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 3>People struggle to see the difference between a character and

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 3>a person. And like some of my friends who were

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 3>actors that were just like, yeah, people would like attack

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 3>me on the Street for someone that my character did,

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, it's not me, like I'm just acting

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 3>someone like it's I mean, I've never been an actor,

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.399
<v Speaker 3>so I don't know what that's like, but I can

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 3>imagine that would be quite frustrating.

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I have the benefit of time, so because I've had

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>a long time on that show, she evolved into a

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 2>capable woman, a step mom, a wife, a professional who

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 2>ran a business, and people got to watch that in her,

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 2>and I supposed to put that on me if they

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see the difference. And then I also evolved as

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 2>a person and so and did enough Woman's Day articles

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 2>that most interactions start with a you Angela, not are

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.839
<v Speaker 2>you Rachel? It starts what did you play Rachel? So

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 2>time has allowed people get excited, but I don't really

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 2>get called Rachel anymore. Oh that's nice, So it is.

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 2>It's really nice. She's definitely part of the conversation. And

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they're like, did I go to school with you?

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 2>And I went, I don't think so, and I'd pecked

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>my moment. If I help people out of it, I

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 2>help the most nine times out of teen, and I

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:31.800
<v Speaker 2>help them. But I don't want to be that person

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>that goes I was on a two big so I

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just go you know, but yeah, look,

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I've just been overseas with my daughter and I haven't

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.279
<v Speaker 2>been on screen for a really long time, and you know,

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 2>still a thing. Yeah, a thing. Yeah.

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is so.

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 3>You absolutely don't have to short about this at all.

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 3>But I just again saw it when I was doing

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 3>all of the research.

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:56.359
<v Speaker 2>And the fairly open book.

0:37:56.400 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Well this is good. You went through a divorce.

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I thought you were going to go in

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 2>a different direction. I did go through it. I do,

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I am, I'm a separated person.

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 3>It was one of the first things that kate when

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 3>I was searching.

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>It was what you googled angela Bluefield and divorced it?

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Did it?

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Did? I'm sorry to algorithms, geez, but.

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>There was, But there also wasn't a lot.

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 3>It was assuming someone were probably just doing some clickbating

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 3>title with what had been said in it.

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>But the only reason that I wanted.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 3>To bring it up was that there's even a few

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 3>people there I know that are kind of in the

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 3>very very beginnings of a divorce and feel like their

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 3>entire world is crumbled, and there is just no, there's

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 3>no step out of this, and that's the only reason

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 3>that I wanted to bring it up. And again, you

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 3>don't have to talk about it, but if you are

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 3>willing to.

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, I think I wouldn't. I wouldn't wish separation

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 2>on my worst enemy. It is. I think there's so

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>many layers to this conversation, but I will say for me,

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of learning and a lot of

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 2>growth and realizing that life is a gray area, it's

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 2>a big there's just no black and white, and I'd

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 2>become really bound by sort of self belief statements that

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 2>were not helping me. And I suppose one of them

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 2>was I'll never get divorced, and I'd say it out

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 2>aloud and it was almost like I've you know, it

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 2>was just a really silly thing. I didn't say it

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot, but I was saying it, and it's and

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 2>it's just a really unhelpful thing. Because then when when

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>that's one of your key things and then it actually

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 2>is not right, you become really destabilized by it and

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 2>you go, who am I am a failure? So I

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>had to walk through so much learning and the fact

0:39:56.040 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>that be careful what you say about yourself. And I

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 2>did feel like a failure, and I did feel like

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 2>I would have effectively broken my children and broken my

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 2>a bit of my life and a bit of you know,

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 2>this other person's life. And I would say, it's yeah,

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 2>it's literally taken me the ten years that I was married.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>It's taken me another ten years to unravel separation. And

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I turned fifty saying to my mum,

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel like my life can start again now. I

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm allowed to have a life now again,

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>which is a really annoying thing to happen. But I

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 2>really had gone You've had your joy, that's it. You

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 2>wrecked it. You have to sit in that, and it

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 2>was it was really unhelpful.

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>It makes me. I am a little bit teary.

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 3>It makes me a little bit emotional just what you

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 3>just said then about what you said to your mom

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 3>that you can start your I know I.

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Forget, but that's but and I don't know why I

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 2>needed it to be so long. But the thing I'll take,

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll say to you now in the same breath, is

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>it's starting again. And instead of saying like I'm only

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 2>fifty one and I've got so much more ahead of me,

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and that includes in love. Yeah you know, or it's

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 2>just so it's so for you to say that as well.

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 3>I was so hopeful for those that are in the

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 3>middle of it, like the fact that sure it took

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 3>you ten years to get to that point. That the

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 3>fact that you can look at that and go, no,

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 3>I can I can fall in love again. I can

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I can start my life again. That that says so much.

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 3>And I hope that you kind of you see this

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 3>the strength in that, because I mean, I haven't been

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 3>through marriage separation, but like just to be able to.

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Have that stance and be like I'm okay.

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm okay, the kids are okay, Chris is okay.

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>That said, I you know, maybe I did make it

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.360
<v Speaker 2>harder on myself than it needed to be. So you know,

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm not here to give unsolicited advice, but to anyone

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>that is traversing that, I would say, go easy on yourself.

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 2>And the thing I learned that's resonated most in my

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 2>life that helps me out the most is if you

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 2>can refine the ability to truly live in the moment,

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>that is where that's when you start living. And so yeah,

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to beat yourself up for ten years.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.359
<v Speaker 2>You can start living earlier than that. Yeah, it's up

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 2>to you. Yeah, Yeah, it's so true.

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 3>And I also think like, even when you were saying

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.719
<v Speaker 3>on the kind of beliefs that you had in that

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 3>in those ten years, and how much even just I

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 3>think behavior and things like that. This is something I

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 3>was thinking about recently, actually talking to my therapist about

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 3>there was a lot of things that I would do

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 3>or things that I would respond to, and I'd be.

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Like why do I do that?

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 3>And I'll get so mad at myself for these responses.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 3>And she just said, Jazz, I want you to think

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 3>of like five year old year. I was like why,

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 3>and she was like, all that kid was trying to

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 3>do was survived the best way that she knew how to,

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 3>and that's how she did it. So these behaviors that

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 3>you're hating in these beliefs and these responses that you're

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 3>so like, why am I Like this.

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Just came from this little kid who was trying to

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>protect herself.

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 3>And I think it's so important to, like, even in

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 3>responses when we're going through things like that, to be like,

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 3>this is just this little kid who dealt in some

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 3>whatever situation it may have been, that these behaviors and

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 3>responses and beliefs they come from somewhere, and often it's

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:36.320
<v Speaker 3>just a younger version of ourselves.

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I'm so sorry. I was just trying to

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>do the best.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 3>I could, and they were so healing for me to hear,

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, dang, Like that's so true, because

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 3>our responses when we go through like this, we can't

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 3>control half of the time that we were like in

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 3>the middle of this kind of turmoil thing to be

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 3>like how am I responding? But to go you know,

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 3>for you to have gone through all of those ten

0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 3>years of marriage and then ten years of that and

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.479
<v Speaker 3>then be like I'm okay, and like I probably should

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 3>have gone easier on myself.

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 2>This kind of parts to that isn't there because and

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I still have a little bit of work

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 2>to do in the I'm a learner. I'm happy to

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 2>learn till the day I die. I need to learn

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>till the day I die. But when I think about

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like my five year old self, I can still feel

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>there's some there's some there's some pain there. So I

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.359
<v Speaker 2>still have some stuff to do in that space. Which

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:33.800
<v Speaker 2>is exciting. Yeah, But also as a parent, I knew

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 2>that before I had children that whole It's not a

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>premise that that that that reality of we are the

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:41.800
<v Speaker 2>person you can see, but we are still the child,

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.879
<v Speaker 2>and that responsibility as a parent to do the best

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I could not not to not to break them, and

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 2>not to do things that were going to cause default

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>behavior that was responsive and not helpful for them as

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>a teenager as an adult, and I still drive quite

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.280
<v Speaker 2>a bit of dialogue with my children in that space

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 2>and will forever because that's how I talk with my

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 2>friends as well, you know. But yeah, constantly sort of

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 2>sitting back and looking at my kids and going, I

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 2>haven't break them too much. Do I need to talk

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:19.799
<v Speaker 2>to them about that? Do I need to go on

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and talk to them about that? Because we're just trying

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 2>to survive as a parent, Yeah, but also nurture this

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 2>little being that's just wants to be protected and loved. Yeah.

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 3>There was something I saw on tektok a while ago

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 3>that was someone who had just videoed their mum and

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 3>was like, I often forget this is her first time

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 3>living as well, and it just I was like, oh,

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's true.

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Just trying to figure stuff out.

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 3>And I also think that, again, I'm not a parent,

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 3>but I know that like some of my real deep

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 3>rooted trauma came from like these situations that happened with

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 3>my friends when I was younger as well, and things

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 3>that parents just literally can't control and don't have any

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of you know, say over, but to be actively,

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean the fact that you were aware to be like,

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 3>I need to have these conversations with my kids and

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of make sure. It's a big step to what

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of parents don't do, and you know that's

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 3>not a lot of people experienced. So I feel like

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 3>it's massive kudos to you that you were able to

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 3>have these conversations and kind of be aware of what

0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:25.879
<v Speaker 3>impact of what you say to your kids can also

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 3>have on their belief in their sense of who they are.

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Is so huge, And I think as well for I mean,

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine what it would be like to

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 1>be a parent.

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.800
<v Speaker 3>I've just got a dog recently, and I can't sleep

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 3>at night the amount of times have to take to

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.840
<v Speaker 3>the emergency vet because she's constantly trying to die on

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 3>me and eat things that she shouldn't eat, and you're like, oh, well,

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:47.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how people do this with a real

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 3>life human being, and then to be doing that with

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 3>a real life human and then doing things like Dancing

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 3>with the Stars with a three months or you're a superwoman.

0:46:56.000 --> 0:47:00.839
<v Speaker 2>That's a really good segue into I suppose something that

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I suppose because I was older, I had more kind

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, comparing it to panic attacks, I'd

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 2>say it was it felt harder because I distinctly remember

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>being at home with Max on his first night in

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the middle of winter, and there was an All Blacks

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.479
<v Speaker 2>game on, so Chris was watching it, and I think,

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, Max was asleep lying there, and I was

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>just looking at him and going to Chris, what do

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 2>we do? So do we what do we do? And

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>he was like, I don't know. I'm like, okay, we'll

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>just sit and wait. You know. But I very quickly,

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and this does happen to people that have I suppose

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 2>a level of expectation on themselves kind of high functioning.

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:52.280
<v Speaker 2>So I got postnatal depression pretty quickly after Max was born,

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 2>and but for a little bit I didn't know what

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:59.360
<v Speaker 2>it was, and so I just was just someone that

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 2>couldn't kind of handle being around him and better. But

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I had to. But I was the only person that

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 2>he wanted, you know, And it was just really hard.

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 1>What kind of ways did that, like, what were you

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>seeing in yourself?

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 3>What were the kind of I don't want to use

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 3>a symptoms, but you know, the things that you were

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.040
<v Speaker 3>experiencing before you got realized that it was postnatal.

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 2>So I had a little bit of trouble breastfeeding, and

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 2>so we were having quite a painful journey with that,

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and that probably was a trigger in it. And so

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 2>he was he anytime he cried, I'd feel pain physically

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, oh, he's going to want to

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 2>be fed, and it hurts me and so and so

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't look at it. I'd look at him and

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of not have this kind of like oh my god,

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>it's so amazing. I'd look at him and just be like,

0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.919
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so there was that, and then I just, yeah,

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I was terribly upset. I would get angry if no

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:09.319
<v Speaker 2>one would no one seemed to want to do it

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the way I wanted to do it. And I'm not

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 2>saying I'm not putting that on anyone else. They was

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:16.879
<v Speaker 2>trying to survive it as well. And so finally I went,

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I can someone just go buy some formula. I just

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 2>need to do a feed that's not you know, And

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>it was I remember just you know, my clothes were

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.360
<v Speaker 2>all on and and he was wrapped in a blanket

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 2>and he was feeding, and I was just able to

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 2>go and breathe and feel joy. And then not too

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 2>long after that, you know, we got we got people,

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and we got specialists, and we got fix its and solutions,

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 2>and I carried on brist fitting until he was seven

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>months and he's Yeah. Once I was on the right

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:54.120
<v Speaker 2>medication for what was happening in my body, the whole

0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 2>thing changed. And it was a really good eye opener

0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>for me. I'm segueing myself, I'm sorry, I love it.

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Give me because I knew at that point, because the

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 2>hormonal shift that happens after you have children is not

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 2>dissimilar to when you go through menopause. And I literally meant,

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I said it out aloud. I was like, I'm going

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to go on this stuff when I go through menopause.

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go on this medicine, you know. And

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had to go on any antidepressants or anything

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 2>but I have definitely been more proactive and acutely aware

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 2>of like hormonal shifts and at this point in my

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 2>life and going I'm not going to get there, I'm

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>not going to get angry and arranged and yeah, yeah,

0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 2>and it was I think it was while I because

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Dancing with the Stars I went through when I was

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 2>with Maya, So by the time I got to her

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and there was no you know, there was Yeah.

0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 3>The fact that I mean sharing that experience, thank you

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 3>for doing that, because I also think a lot of

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 3>parents who go through that can feel.

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 1>So isolated and alone and be like, what is wrong

0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>with me?

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:00.440
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I kind of asked you to explain

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:02.759
<v Speaker 3>what it was like for you, because I think it's

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 3>so important for people to know one they're not alone

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 3>in it too. It can literally be a cycle, like

0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a thing that medication can help and seeing people

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:12.720
<v Speaker 3>and specialists can.

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Help with that, and that you're not alone in it.

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 3>And I mean the fact that even being able like

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 3>you just did the perfect segue into then kind of

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:24.920
<v Speaker 3>hitting it with menopause and kind of knowing the similarities

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 3>of what the hormonal stuff can do with that, Yeah, I.

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being able to just speak. And I think.

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:35.759
<v Speaker 3>Kind of like we were talking about earlier, I know

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 3>that it can be so hard when you have been

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 3>a character for so long to let people see you

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.360
<v Speaker 3>and let people see kind of different things that is

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:49.239
<v Speaker 3>not just a different person on TV that I will

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.839
<v Speaker 3>play an act and it's a whole different I don't

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:53.240
<v Speaker 3>want to say ball game, but it's a whole different

0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 3>thing right to be like, this is who I am.

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:58.280
<v Speaker 3>But it's so important because there are so many people

0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:02.719
<v Speaker 3>that have lived to their lives watching you that can go,

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, like I'm not the only one, and

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.720
<v Speaker 3>maybe I can still have a successful life or do these.

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Things even though I'm struggling with this.

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:13.759
<v Speaker 3>And that's kind of the whole reason why we do

0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:16.560
<v Speaker 3>this podcast, so that people, no matter what it is

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:19.759
<v Speaker 3>that they're facing, can feel like they're not alone. And

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:21.879
<v Speaker 3>I would love to know you've already kind of given

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 3>advice for people they might be going through panic attacks

0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 3>and anxiety. But I just now I want to know

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.880
<v Speaker 3>someone who might be in the very beginning of postnatal depression.

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 3>What would you say to them, Just.

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 2>The same thing. You've got it, You've got to talk

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>about it. You've got to find someone you trust. And

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:47.320
<v Speaker 2>it is hard because you know, I'm a communicator, and

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.879
<v Speaker 2>my husband is husband's a good communicator, and so as

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.760
<v Speaker 2>my mum, and so through through that, I did feel

0:52:55.800 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 2>like I wasn't being heard, but I probably I mean,

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 2>it's in the delivery, right, But I'm not going to

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.320
<v Speaker 2>beat myself up on me not knowing to have the

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 2>right delivery because I was at the heart of it,

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 2>and in essence they were there to support me, which

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>they did. But you just don't have the where you

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:20.560
<v Speaker 2>just don't have the rational mind to go I'm going

0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 2>through something. If I take someone by the hand and

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>say no, please stop, you need to listen to me,

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:30.920
<v Speaker 2>they'll stop right because you just don't have those those functions.

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 2>But I think any time in our life where we're

0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 2>feeling like, hey, I feel different to how I would

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>usually feel, find someone to talk to. I think I'm

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.400
<v Speaker 2>not scared of going and talking to a doctor. I

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 2>think that's I think that's especially important with these kind

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of key issues because and it's not about throwing medicine

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.360
<v Speaker 2>at it unless that's the right thing to do. But

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 2>doctors can be quite good at steering you in the

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:59.719
<v Speaker 2>right direction of you know, a variety of solutions and yeah,

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 2>just got to be kind, got to be kind to yourself.

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 2>We're so tough on ourselves.

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Also that especially New Zealanders, like we've got that she'll

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:12.800
<v Speaker 3>be right attitude that's really just kind of ingrained in us.

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we have that which is so weird that

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 2>this is only happening to me and not in an

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 2>ego way, and so don't share it because you're the

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.839
<v Speaker 2>weirdo that this is only happening to you. And I

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.399
<v Speaker 2>remember we did. We you know, we had a little

0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 2>coffee group that was there and out there from my

0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Intonadal class. But I was too scared. And then finally

0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:38.960
<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend at about six weeks was like, come on,

0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:42.320
<v Speaker 2>come on, come on. And I remember it, just sitting

0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:45.360
<v Speaker 2>there and listening and watching and they were doing it

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 2>exactly the same as me. They didn't know what they

0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 2>were doing, they had had insecurities, they'd been crying, they'd

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 2>felt and just hearing it, I was like, oh my god,

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.799
<v Speaker 2>what You're such a fool land to think that this

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>was only happening to you. And I remember with Maya,

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 2>anytime I got up to feed in the middle of

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.239
<v Speaker 2>the night, just taking a little moment to go they're

0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 2>a woman right now and soft lit rooms awake, feeding

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.759
<v Speaker 2>their children. You're not one of one, You're one of

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.680
<v Speaker 2>so many, you know, And even though we didn't know,

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, just take solace in that we're all doing it.

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:21.240
<v Speaker 2>We're all doing it together.

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 3>And that's the power of being able to tell these

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 3>stories and the power of that lived experience. And I

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 3>know that for me, when I was in my teenage

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 3>years and was in and out of the psyche wards

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:31.840
<v Speaker 3>a lot a lot of that time, I would spend

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.200
<v Speaker 3>so much of my time just trying to research anyone

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 3>else who had been through it, just to know that

0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:39.080
<v Speaker 3>there was hope. And back then I just couldn't find anything.

0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 3>People weren't talking And so now to be able to

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 3>have these conversations and provide people with this kind of

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:48.319
<v Speaker 3>tool that allows him to know that no matter what

0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 3>it is that you're facing, you're not alone on it,

0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.080
<v Speaker 3>and especially the different things in your journey to be

0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:53.960
<v Speaker 3>like you're you're.

0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Not the only one going through it.

0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 3>And like you said that communication and been able to

0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.760
<v Speaker 3>communicate is such a big thing. And this in schools

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 3>when we do the big school assemblies around the country

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:06.399
<v Speaker 3>that if people like translating what's going on in your

0:56:06.440 --> 0:56:09.720
<v Speaker 3>mind to out here, if people don't know what's happening,

0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:11.239
<v Speaker 3>that no one knows what the hell's going on, like

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 3>everyone's just assuming, everyone's just guessing, and no one can

0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 3>help without that information. People can only help you with

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.319
<v Speaker 3>the information that you give them. And so been able

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.400
<v Speaker 3>to be honest and have these conversations and speak up

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 3>is so incredibly important. And I'm so thankful that you've

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 3>chosen to be able to come in and hang out

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 3>and speak on this podcast today. I know we've not

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 3>actually met in person before, but today we did, and

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:37.400
<v Speaker 3>to kind of dive straight into a conversation like this,

0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 3>I know it was kind of an odd way, but

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:43.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm really thankful that you have. I think it's going

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 3>to help so many people to just feel less alone,

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 3>no matter what it is that they're facing. And I

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 3>just want to ask you one final question before I

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.600
<v Speaker 3>let you go. This podcast is called Hope Is Real,

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.560
<v Speaker 3>and I asked us to everyone at the end of every.

0:56:57.320 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Episode, what does the word hope mean to you?

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.719
<v Speaker 2>The future? Like, hope for me is like everything that

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:12.400
<v Speaker 2>exists beyond this moment, that hasn't happened because I'm I

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>intrinsically try to be positive and I'm hopeful always, you know,

0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.360
<v Speaker 2>for me and for my children and for the people

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:23.760
<v Speaker 2>and my world and for anybody.

0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that.

0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:26.880
<v Speaker 3>I love that so much. Well, thank you so much

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 3>for taking the time and coming here. How can people

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:30.320
<v Speaker 3>how can people find you?

0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Follow you? Not physically find you.

0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:32.680
<v Speaker 2>But social media?

0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I know we don't want no one come over from

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the Netherlands. Please thank it.

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just and Bloomfield.

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, And then you're also REALI stated, can you

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:43.479
<v Speaker 3>can you help me buy a house?

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Balloons? I'm so yes, I care, like I'm so sad.

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.000
<v Speaker 4>So I've been needing to for at everyone keeps telling

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 4>me to buy a house, like it's so I don't

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:52.280
<v Speaker 4>even know where to start, and so I just don't

0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:54.120
<v Speaker 4>if I don't know how to do something, I would

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:57.080
<v Speaker 4>love to help, like four years without putting air in

0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 4>my tires on my car because I did it know

0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 4>how to do it. And so when I don't know

0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 4>how to do something, I'm like, I'm just not going

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 4>to do it.

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 3>So we can will chat after this, because I genuinely

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.240
<v Speaker 3>need to do that. But again, thank you so much

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 3>for coming. Any for joining means thank you.

0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you have it, guys, thank you so much for

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 3>staying and for listening to this episode. And like I've

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 3>said at the beginning, and I always say, if anything

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 3>in this episode that's been talked about has brought anything

0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 3>up for you, you feel like you need to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to someone, then please remember and know that the bravest

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<v Speaker 3>thing that you can do right now is to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to someone, is to ask for help, whether that's from

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<v Speaker 3>a friend, a family member, or if you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>who to talk to, then if you live in Altiola

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<v Speaker 3>here you can call or text one seven three seven

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<v Speaker 3>at any time to talk to a trained counselor. Or

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<v Speaker 3>if you live overseas, go to dub dub dub dot

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<v Speaker 3>the Voices of Hope dot org for a list of

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<v Speaker 3>international helplines. Remember that no matter what it is that

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<v Speaker 3>you're facing, no matter what it is that you're going through,

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<v Speaker 3>that in all things, hope is real and change is possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you guys next week.

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<v Speaker 4>Instead, stop and stay State