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Speaker 2: Hello, Great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and Tyl

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number one two for the thirdis of

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Speaker 2: August twenty twenty five. Fantastic show boy. I took a

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Speaker 2: lot of abuse at the end, just because I love humanity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your life, people.

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Speaker 2: I took a stand for the future of our species,

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Speaker 2: and they've got people angry. I've never been called a

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Speaker 2: moron and a muppet so much in my life. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I did enjoy that.

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Speaker 3: I love the abuse laid into the tennis players as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think there was agreements.

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Speaker 2: They pressy, pressy, prissy pressy, sport tennis, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we tried to save Auckland and I'm not sure if

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Speaker 2: we did. And also we talked to some private eyes.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was juicy. The private lives of

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Speaker 2: private eyes are very interesting and really it made me

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Speaker 2: consider packing up their microphone and the headphones and becoming

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Speaker 2: a private dick.

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Speaker 3: Ye magnum p Heath. Yeah, yeah, so doubt I shto

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Speaker 3: to call them private dick. They did, Yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: it Dick Tracy. He is a private investigator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, private Dick. Yeah, all right, all right, now enjoy

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Speaker 1: The leak issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show. I

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Speaker 3: hope you're doing well. And it's beautiful wherever you're listening

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Speaker 3: in the country. Beautiful here in Auckland, beautiful in christ Church,

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Speaker 3: beautiful and Wellington.

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Speaker 2: I went for a run today in the in the

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Speaker 2: sun because you know, I've been reading more and more

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Speaker 2: about you know, for your mood and your health and everything.

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Speaker 2: It's good to just get a little bit of sun.

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Speaker 2: Need someone that they a little bit of sun on

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Speaker 2: you before you go to work, and a little bit

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Speaker 2: of out and about, which is difficult when it's in

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Speaker 2: the winter because it's so dark. Went for a run

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Speaker 2: around Western Springs. I thought, Auckland, you're beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, never change Auckland.

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Speaker 2: You're You're not quite as beautiful as Dunedin, but you're beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lovely spot right on to today's show after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting discussion. Emma Radakarnu. She

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Speaker 3: doesn't like children, or certainly not children when she's facing

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Speaker 3: up against world number one arena Saberlanka. So she took

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Speaker 3: umbrage at a child crying in the stadium and then

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Speaker 3: ask the umpire do something about this.

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Speaker 2: We've got the audio. Yeah, no it can't.

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Speaker 4: Don't.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're going to come back to that, but

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Speaker 3: it's great audio. So thinctifully the umpire turned around and said,

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Speaker 3: what do you want me to do? It's a child?

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Speaker 3: Shall I adjict the child from the stadium? And Emma

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Speaker 3: basically said yeah.

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Speaker 2: Not only did she say yeah, she said of course,

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Speaker 2: of course you would throw a child out of the

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Speaker 2: I personally think it's symbolic of this kind of child

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Speaker 2: hatred we forgot, we're forgetting that that children are our future,

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Speaker 2: and that you it's it's actually beautiful to have them

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Speaker 2: running around and so what if they make a bit

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Speaker 2: of noise? Hard enough, how difficult is it? It's hardly

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Speaker 2: the biggest struggle in life to deal with kids in

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Speaker 2: cafes or on planes, or when you're trying to play tennis. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. Humanists versus the extinction list to

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Speaker 3: That it's going to be a good chat after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock, at the age of fifty, Alimar she

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Speaker 3: became a private investigator. She charges one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I when I think of a private eye, I

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Speaker 2: big mustache Ferrari blasting around having romantic liaisons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great life is?

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Speaker 2: Is that the reality of being a private eye in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Are you a private investigator? We'd love to

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Speaker 3: That is after two o'clock. But right now, let's have

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Speaker 3: auklad Mare Wayne Browne has come out again reiterating that

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Speaker 3: the best chance Auckland has to turn around its economy

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Speaker 3: is a beid tax. He has support in some quarters

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right. So the idea is that we

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Speaker 2: some events. Auckland's unemployment rate hit six point one percent

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Speaker 2: Auckland CBD foil six point six percent between April and

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Speaker 2: and Krang a Happy Road is down twenty two point

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Speaker 3: So out of places.

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Speaker 2: It's difficult to really do anything on K Road because

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Speaker 2: but they're just people on meth and fhetamine stomping up

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Speaker 3: The council didn't have that in mine when they voted yes.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, there's no doubt that Auckland is lagging behind

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Speaker 2: and we need I mean, I said this before, but

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Speaker 2: a lot of people disagree. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: growing as a whole. Right, you know, a healthy Auckland

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Speaker 2: And what could that possibly be. These people think of

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Speaker 2: bed tax as the way to go. Mia Wayne Brown,

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Speaker 2: I disagree. I think if everyone just comes up with

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Speaker 2: a new tax, try and solve problems. That seems to

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Speaker 2: me if you have to come up with a new tax,

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Speaker 2: you haven't actually solved the problem. You're just trying to

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Speaker 2: grab money from other people. You haven't actually got around

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Speaker 2: to what the actually root of the problem is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love to hear your thoughts on O. Eight hundred

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Speaker 3: encourage more business and to help them out to get

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Speaker 3: the economy cranking. Love to hear your thoughts. What to

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Speaker 3: do about Auckland and get it cranky. Oh e one

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Speaker 2: Do you disagree that when Auckland's hurting, when Auckland's hurting,

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Speaker 2: the rest of New Zealand's hurting, you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: from the south. Because this person disagrees Auckland economy does

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Speaker 2: nothing to help New Zealand economy. Why should we help

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Speaker 2: it out? What does Auckland do? Let it rot move

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Speaker 2: to the tron just down the road doing great.

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Speaker 3: Tron's a good place for some people. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much.

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Speaker 2: What it takes all one point five million Auckland is

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Speaker 2: wander down the road to the tron.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sucks to be you guys. Oh eight one

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. That

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Speaker 3: is twelve past one.

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons, News

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB. Very good afternoon to you, and we are well.

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Speaker 3: We've asked the question, what does Auckland need to get

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Speaker 3: humming again? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 2: It teads to hear. Rob says, hey, man, I saw

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Speaker 2: you running at Western Springs as if the zoo had

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Speaker 2: just sounded the escape alarm? Or are you chasing a

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Speaker 3: Were you chasing a duck?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. When you're running around Western Springs,

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Speaker 2: there's a better chance of getting chased by a swan

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Speaker 2: then chasing a duck.

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Speaker 3: It's a good motivation. I've been doing it wrong with this.

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Speaker 2: The like dinosaurs, Yeah, they're a bit scary.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to get close to a swan.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to get on the wrong side of

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Speaker 2: a pookicko either.

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Speaker 3: No, there was a swan in Nelson. Actually, I mean

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Speaker 3: we're going off topic here. It's called ragon and it

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Speaker 3: kept attacking people. But enough about swans, and let's talk

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Speaker 3: about beard taxes and what to do about Auckland. I

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Speaker 3: want one hundred and eighty ten eighties number.

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Speaker 2: Of cour guys. No to meya Brown's beer tax. Get

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Speaker 2: rid of a million red road cones, well they're orange.

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Speaker 2: Get rid of half the staff pushing paper around the

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Speaker 2: council officers. Beer tax paid for. We need more tourists,

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Speaker 2: not less getting taxed for wasting money. There you go,

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Speaker 2: there you go. All right, let's go to Peter. What

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Speaker 2: do you think about getting Auckland going again? Peter, you're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, stupid, stupid question of the answers and other tax

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Speaker 6: isn't it? After said my rage, bill go by with

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Speaker 6: about a thousand bucks two hundreds for rubbish, But jeez

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Speaker 6: of that could have gone to giving people to sing

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Speaker 6: at Eden Park or whatever. But yeah, well, I think

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Speaker 6: we they need they need to look up. They need

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Speaker 6: to take a razor to the awkward council. Maybe not

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Speaker 6: a raiser, maybe a new new good.

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Speaker 7: A bit.

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Speaker 6: Too many people there too, and it brokecones. Yeah okay,

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Speaker 6: but there must be so much waste to see people's

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Speaker 6: We know all about these pet projects and half million

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Speaker 6: dollar a half million dollar destant crossings and that start

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Speaker 6: start start cutting and that, start cutting there, and get

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Speaker 6: rid of get rid of some layers of management.

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Speaker 2: So I see you're saying, before you start adding Texas,

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Speaker 2: let's make sure that you're not over the spending in

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Speaker 2: other areas.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they know they're over spender, but I don't care

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Speaker 6: because we're a pit of money that's never ending for them.

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Speaker 2: Do you see in your day to day life that

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Speaker 2: Auckland is hurting. I mean the stats say we are,

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Speaker 2: but do you feel it?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 6: Really, it's not where I live. But you know why

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Speaker 6: do people go don't go downtown? I can see why. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you go past the Harbor party and all the restaurant

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Speaker 6: it's a dive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as the Sexer said this, the CRL is

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Speaker 2: what has destroyed Auckland. They shouldn't have done that. You

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Speaker 2: could have had twenty buses driving around in circles have

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Speaker 2: done the same. God damn saying since this text.

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Speaker 6: I mean that's just eleven farm that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, looking at the idea and we want

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Speaker 3: to kind of broaden it out from just the idea

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Speaker 3: of a bed levy. But the proponents of that, Peter

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Speaker 6: No, because of because they won't everyone stop them raising rates?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, take it or leave it. I mean, like Wellington,

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Speaker 2: What's the deal with Oprah? Who would pay to go

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Speaker 3: I don't know what is she going to talk about?

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Speaker 9: Here you go. So I totally agree with what Peter said.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well, I mean Coldplay for example, didn't.

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Speaker 9: But Eden Park has said themselves that they've had they've

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Speaker 9: You've got cycle ways that you know you've got. You've

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't help me? No, I don't think it would

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Speaker 2: So yeah, hey, Mark, would you if if the council

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: It's all about seeing Auckland as a business and run

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Speaker 9: that's not what they're showing Auckland is with the money

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Speaker 9: that's coming into their plot and the waste it's going out.

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Speaker 9: So if they showed that and and I mean it's

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Speaker 9: And if they can't do that, then we shouldn't let

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know when you talk about a bed

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Speaker 9: Gonna it's not gonna affect Auckland as the big tax,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, because the truth of the matter is when

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Speaker 2: I mean the damage that the overruns of the CRL

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Speaker 3: Probably not vents a lot of Coldplay concerts and eight

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty

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Speaker 2: Up to seventeen percent of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Jimsy Prime Minister David seymourback will this. It's part of

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Speaker 11: the problem with the Palestinian debating and you get people,

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Speaker 2: And that's the.

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Speaker 11: Difficulty of the debate, doesn't You can't have a debate

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Speaker 12: Well, I thought we kind of reached peak Chloe Swarber.

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Speaker 12: You had the moral supremacy, just like all extremists, the

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Speaker 3: To follow the rules.

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Speaker 12: You can just assert it over everybody else, even if

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Speaker 12: it stops the institution functioning. And I just make the

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Speaker 3: You should be able to debate on the issue.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. She it's twenty seven past one, and

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Speaker 3: we'll asked the question what does Auckland need to get

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Speaker 3: its economy? Humming the mayor reckons a bid tax will

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Speaker 3: do it, but there's plenty of other suggestions coming in

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Speaker 3: On one hundred and eight ten eighty then number to call.

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Speaker 2: The sexus is a bid tax not will be the

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Speaker 2: best thing that could happen for christ Church. Auckland CBD

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Speaker 2: has become a Richard hive of scum and villainy nice

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Speaker 2: star wars reference. A bid tax will just be another

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Speaker 2: reason to avoid it. Bring on the new stadium in

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Speaker 2: Christ cheers Ben, Yeah, I mean, is that one of

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Speaker 2: events bring money in. Put a roof on Eden Park. Yep,

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Speaker 2: you've bought Takaha.

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Speaker 3: Put a roof on Eden Park, roof on all the stadium.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighties the

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Speaker 3: number to call Brenda your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 8: Yes, Hi, guys, I'm really enjoying your show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: I really think New Zealand has to get into the

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Speaker 8: you know, and when people stay in a hotel, they

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Speaker 8: And if you can't afford the bad tas, you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: And you don't think that that's going to put people

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Speaker 8: To No, not at all. People want to go to

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 8: I really think that people can budget. They look at

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Speaker 8: there are hundreds of dollars of resort fees and city

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Speaker 8: taxes that are put on the tariff. But does that

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Speaker 8: You just budget for what you can afford. And I

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Speaker 8: Rome's got it, Venice has got it, Paris has got it.

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Speaker 8: I just think I just think we need to do it,

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Speaker 8: and I think that's a really good way of doing something.

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Speaker 8: If people plan their holidays and they budget, they know

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Speaker 2: To be honest, Brend, do you think that Auckland sits

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Speaker 8: Yes, I do. Wow, people coming down from America come

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Speaker 8: They won't be put off. As people plan a holiday,

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Speaker 8: they look at their what they can afford and it

438
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Speaker 8: won't stop them coming. They'll just budget for it. Maybe

439
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Speaker 8: they'll stay one less day somewhere. But no, I honestly

440
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Speaker 8: don't think it comes into the equation. People look at

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Speaker 8: the total cost and they say, okay, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Well I got to say that. I was up Mountain

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Speaker 2: and the other day Brenda going for a walk and

444
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Speaker 2: I was looking out over the city, at the other volcanoes,

445
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Speaker 2: at it at Angetoto, and I was just thinking, my god,

446
00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:57,813
Speaker 2: this city is just so beautiful and unique and we

447
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Speaker 2: sometimes forget it. And the way when you look around

448
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Speaker 2: how the trees going up. I was up there with

449
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Speaker 2: my dad and he grew up in Tuneda, I mean

450
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Speaker 2: in Auckland in the sixties and he said that there

451
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Speaker 2: were no trees. The trees took it while to come.

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Speaker 2: But now when you look three sixty around off Mount Eden,

453
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Speaker 2: it is just like it's like a forest, a forest

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Speaker 2: with houses and coming through it you look out to

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Speaker 2: get to the harbor that museum. It's absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 8: It is. And I totally agree, and we underestimate the

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Speaker 8: value of how nice we are. And I truly think

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Speaker 8: it won't as I say, I'm a firm believer. Now,

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Speaker 8: we just got to get into the real world a

460
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Speaker 8: lot of places, you know, as long as it's put

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Speaker 8: back into the funds for the city US wisely, I've

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Speaker 8: got nothing against it. I think we're just being archaic

463
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Speaker 8: and we're sticking ahead in the sands. And it's a

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Speaker 8: good way because people can see what the price of

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Speaker 8: the hotel is plus the tax, and it's their decision

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Speaker 8: to stay or not.

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Speaker 3: But I think you've just hit the crux of the situation, Brenda.

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Speaker 3: According to the text and the calls that we've had,

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Speaker 3: it's that lack of trust that that money will be

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Speaker 3: used wisely because we haven't seen it, certainly not an

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Speaker 3: Auckland council, but councils across the board keep working up

472
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Speaker 3: the rates and money is being fitted away on you know,

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Speaker 3: these legacy projects that nobody can I know, warrant.

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Speaker 8: But you can say that about governments, and you can

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Speaker 8: say that at about the councils since the year eighteen hundred.

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Speaker 8: Nobody's happy with everything. I'm not saying that they're spending

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Speaker 8: all their money wisely, but what I'm saying is capture

478
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Speaker 8: a market that is there, spend it wisely and people

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Speaker 8: will come.

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Speaker 2: What kind of events would you like to see Brenda,

481
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Speaker 2: this bed tax being spent on?

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Speaker 8: Do you want me to be honest? I think it

483
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Speaker 8: should go back into not necessary events, but things that

484
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Speaker 8: enhance the city to make more people want to come.

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Speaker 8: You know, I agree with concerts, et cetera, But I

486
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Speaker 8: don't know if it's necessarily just going to be about events.

487
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Speaker 8: I think maybe cleaning up the city a little bit,

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Speaker 8: making the parts, making the beach.

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Speaker 2: Don't we already pay a huge amount of rates for

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Speaker 2: the council to do that and they're just not doing it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but you know, you can say that about any

492
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Speaker 8: country in the world. You know, it's not just particular

493
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Speaker 8: to Auckland. It's a particular it's a worldwide problem. Nobody's

494
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Speaker 8: happy necessarily with what their councils or what their governments

495
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Speaker 8: are doing. But it's a way to achieve more revenue,

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Speaker 8: to be able to enable people who can afford to

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Speaker 8: stay in a hotel, or can it say it can

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Speaker 8: do that rather than disabling people who who can't afford it.

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Speaker 8: Take the money from people who can afford to stay

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Speaker 8: in hotels. It won't put them off because once they've

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Speaker 8: planned their holiday, they'll plan their holiday. Does it really

502
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Speaker 8: make a difference if it's one percent of the bill,

503
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Speaker 8: won't stop them from coming.

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Speaker 2: So what about when it's not one percent of bill?

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Speaker 2: That Texas says guys, I just came back from La

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Speaker 2: The hotel room charge was one thousand dollars Z. On

507
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Speaker 2: top of that was six different taxes and charges totaling

508
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Speaker 2: two and sixty three New Zealand dollars per night. People

509
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Speaker 2: just pay it, so start go hi and hey, would

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Speaker 2: you bring dad? This is a question that's just come

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Speaker 2: into my head. Right we're talking about Mount Eden's we

512
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Speaker 2: were before, we'll talk about Eden Park. What about if

513
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Speaker 2: the money from the bid tax went to something very

514
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Speaker 2: very solid, like putting a roof on Eden Park so

515
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Speaker 2: you could get events coming to Auckland all through winter.

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Speaker 2: Would you support something like that where it was just a.

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Speaker 8: Very necessary No, I don't think that's necessary. That would

518
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Speaker 8: cost too much money and it would only enhance a

519
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Speaker 8: certain amount of the population. We've already got a stadium

520
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Speaker 8: like christ Church that's got a covered ruth. Get them

521
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Speaker 8: to go down to christ Church with a covered ruth.

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Speaker 2: Oh that isn't now of Auckland.

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Speaker 8: Christ Yeah, yeah, but I know, I truly think we

524
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Speaker 8: just need to get realistic. Every other country in the

525
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Speaker 8: world is doing it and for us to be little

526
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Speaker 8: New Zealand, we shouldn't do that. I think we just

527
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Speaker 8: have to put our big pants on and just charge

528
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Speaker 8: people who can afford it.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for you called Brenda, and

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Speaker 2: thank you for your opinion.

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Speaker 3: And nice too, because Auckland is a beautiful city, no

532
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Speaker 3: doubt about that. She was a good patriot. Oh eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Just been to South America. Only one city and country

535
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Speaker 2: charged accommodation tax. It was very little for seven days.

536
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Speaker 2: Don't think it should be charged for New Zealanders just

537
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Speaker 2: for international guests? How about that?

538
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, coming up very shortly. We're going to have

539
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Speaker 3: a chat to the head of the Newmarket Business Association

540
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Speaker 3: to see what he thinks. Auckland needs to get humming.

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Speaker 3: That's coming up very shortly. But can you get your views?

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Speaker 13: I e.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty to number to call

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Speaker 3: twenty five to two.

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Speaker 1: News talks at the headlines.

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Speaker 14: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

547
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Speaker 14: The UN has been asked to investigate our government rushing

548
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Speaker 14: through changes to pay equity law without consultation, canceling active

549
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Speaker 14: claims and making new ones harder. A People's Select committee

550
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Speaker 14: of former parliamentarians is in its second day of examining

551
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Speaker 14: the changes. New Zealand's next ambassador to the US has

552
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Speaker 14: been announced as Chris ced Over in January from Rosemary Banks.

553
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Speaker 14: The rebooted Golden Visa scheme, launched in April, has funneled

554
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Speaker 14: millions in to manage funds, most coming from overseas applicants

555
00:26:18,533 --> 00:26:22,933
Speaker 14: in return for residency there's concern investment in private credit

556
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Speaker 14: doesn't meet the scheme's purpose. The Police Commissioner says he

557
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Speaker 14: is proud of progress in cracking down on gangs, with

558
00:26:30,413 --> 00:26:34,253
Speaker 14: more than seven hundred prosecutions for displaying gangs symbols since

559
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Speaker 14: new laws took effect in November. Kiwi sarmor in film

560
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Speaker 14: TENA has raked in six point five million dollars at

561
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Speaker 14: the box office, overtaking Whale Rider to become our fifth

562
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Speaker 14: highest grossing movie. Piemakers despair as cost of mince up

563
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Speaker 14: as much as forty percent on previous year. Read more

564
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Speaker 14: at NZ Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heath and

565
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Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody. So what does Auckland need

567
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Speaker 3: to get its economy humming again? That's the question we've

568
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Speaker 3: put to you. And joining us right now is Mark

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Speaker 3: Knofon Thomas. He is a CEAU of the New Market

570
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Speaker 3: Business Association. Mark, A very good afternoon to you. Thank

571
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Speaker 3: you very much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Ow ay, all good, hey, Mark, how's new Market holding

573
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Speaker 2: up in this well publicized Auckland downturn?

574
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Speaker 15: You know what, We've probably the last six weeks or

575
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Speaker 15: so have been showing some very promising signs. So I

576
00:27:30,093 --> 00:27:34,813
Speaker 15: think we've turned a very very long corner and I

577
00:27:34,853 --> 00:27:38,613
Speaker 15: think time of year, spring is coming, more daily hours,

578
00:27:38,653 --> 00:27:42,293
Speaker 15: people are feeling more positive. So we're feeling quietly optimistic

579
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Speaker 15: that the end of the year is going to be

580
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Speaker 15: a pretty respectable finish.

581
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Speaker 2: So what's new market got that kreng Happy Road hasn't

582
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Speaker 2: got Because these figures are saying that Kay Road's down

583
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Speaker 2: twenty two point five percent.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think k Rhoad has had a sort of

585
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Speaker 15: unique set of things which have happened. I mean the

586
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Speaker 15: upgrade a few years ago, and it never really came

587
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Speaker 15: back from that, and that was you know, the upgrade

588
00:28:02,533 --> 00:28:04,853
Speaker 15: was going on with a pretty pretty bad time for

589
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Speaker 15: all of us trade wise. I mean, we've got a

590
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Speaker 15: bit of poly power with our infrastructure, our transport links

591
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Speaker 15: where we are geographically we've got you know, seven hundred

592
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Speaker 15: odd retail stores, one hundred and twenty cafes, bars and restaurants,

593
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Speaker 15: So there's a lot of a bit of heft in

594
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Speaker 15: the new market to pull people in.

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Speaker 2: So do you support and I'll just explain it because

596
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Speaker 2: some people are asking all to bed taxes. We keep

597
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Speaker 2: expaying it and explaining it. Do you support a fee

598
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Speaker 2: charge to people staying overnight in hotels, motels and hostels

599
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Speaker 2: in Auckland are bed taxes. It's been called.

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Speaker 16: Mark Yes, yes I do.

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Speaker 15: And actually back in the day under the former mayor

602
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Speaker 15: Phil Goff, we actually see the bed tax will being

603
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Speaker 15: more desirable solution than having a petrol tax when we

604
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Speaker 15: had the Auckland petrol.

605
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Speaker 2: Tax was put in.

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Speaker 15: We think a bid taxes of a fairer system. And

607
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Speaker 15: really most people when you go overseas and stay in

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Speaker 15: a hotel, when you check out, you know there's a bed.

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Speaker 15: There's a line in there which should be a local

610
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Speaker 15: levy or a council levy or whatever it's going to

611
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Speaker 15: be called. And I think it's a great idea.

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Speaker 2: So what would you want the money from a bed

613
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Speaker 2: tax to be spe time to help the Auckland economy.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think really we need to focus very strongly

615
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Speaker 15: on the promotion of Auckland, you know as a national

616
00:29:17,613 --> 00:29:20,213
Speaker 15: and an international level, to really get the word out

617
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Speaker 15: there to bring people into Auckland. Because I know from

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Speaker 15: whenever there's a major event on in Auckland like a concert,

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Speaker 15: for example, we have a boomer of a weekend in

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Speaker 15: Newmarket and I'm sure other parts of Auckland do as well,

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Speaker 15: and that driving that cash flow in from around the

622
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Speaker 15: country is the oil that keeps the economy turning over.

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Speaker 2: Are you confident that the bed tax would be used

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Speaker 2: in that way and not just absorbed into a bunch

625
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Speaker 2: of other punishing council stuff.

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Speaker 15: I should actually go back and just refrain. So what

627
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Speaker 15: as I said before, But I support a bed tax

628
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Speaker 15: if it's hypothecated for the promotion of us as a

629
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Speaker 15: city as a destination to bring people in as a

630
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Speaker 15: great example. So you know, we don't spend a single

631
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Speaker 15: cent on you know, bringing in a band like Coldplate

632
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Speaker 15: to New Zealand for example, but that on the Saturday

633
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Speaker 15: alone when Coldplay played at Eden Park, I think it

634
00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:13,973
Speaker 15: was last year, we were up path a million dollars

635
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Speaker 15: in trade just in one day based on the domestic

636
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Speaker 15: tourists coming up from around the country. And I think Auckland,

637
00:30:19,933 --> 00:30:22,413
Speaker 15: Auckland's been doing it tough. We've sort of got a

638
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Speaker 15: very long stem from the hangover of COVID and the

639
00:30:24,933 --> 00:30:27,773
Speaker 15: lockdowns that we all went through, and it's taking us

640
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Speaker 15: a long time to come back up. And I think

641
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Speaker 15: Auckland has probably quite leveraged financially in terms of the

642
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Speaker 15: cost of housing up here. And there's a few people

643
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Speaker 15: who've been caught out with interest rates, which thankfully are

644
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Speaker 15: asked them to come down the other side now. But

645
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Speaker 15: there aren't any twos or threes in those interest rates.

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Speaker 15: Their high fours, fives and six is still So that's

647
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Speaker 15: a big deans on your cash flow or discretionary income

648
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Speaker 15: if you've got to start shelling out a couple of

649
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Speaker 15: percent more.

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Speaker 2: So as a bed tax and exercise and rinsing people

651
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Speaker 2: from christ Church, Hamilton denied and in Bicago or Wellington

652
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Speaker 2: for the good of the Auckland economy.

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Speaker 15: It's not about rinsing, it's about doing, you know what

654
00:31:07,293 --> 00:31:11,173
Speaker 15: you can do for your country needs auk and needs

655
00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:12,813
Speaker 15: all the needs of it to help. I mean Auckland

656
00:31:12,853 --> 00:31:15,453
Speaker 15: had did do it very tough. You've had a lot

657
00:31:15,493 --> 00:31:18,373
Speaker 15: of infrastructure disrupted across the city with the city roll

658
00:31:18,453 --> 00:31:20,893
Speaker 15: link and various upgrades and roadworks that have been going on.

659
00:31:20,933 --> 00:31:22,893
Speaker 15: And they know a lot of places around the country

660
00:31:23,573 --> 00:31:26,133
Speaker 15: have upgrades infrastructure things. I'm not going to say it's

661
00:31:26,133 --> 00:31:30,533
Speaker 15: an Auckland problem, but that on top of the issues

662
00:31:30,573 --> 00:31:33,053
Speaker 15: with we had the longest lockdowns in the country in Auckland,

663
00:31:33,053 --> 00:31:36,373
Speaker 15: and the economy literally turned off for a long time,

664
00:31:36,653 --> 00:31:40,493
Speaker 15: and it hasn't really hasn't flown back into full throttle

665
00:31:40,613 --> 00:31:42,933
Speaker 15: just yet. But as I said, you know, locally we

666
00:31:43,013 --> 00:31:45,853
Speaker 15: are fairly quietly optimistic that things are starting to look better.

667
00:31:46,253 --> 00:31:48,733
Speaker 15: Our retail lease, things looking a lot stronger for our

668
00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:51,213
Speaker 15: mainstream along Broadway. So there are some really good things

669
00:31:51,213 --> 00:31:53,853
Speaker 15: to take away from it. And thankfully we're coming out

670
00:31:53,853 --> 00:31:55,773
Speaker 15: of winter, we're not going into it, so people feel

671
00:31:55,773 --> 00:31:56,293
Speaker 15: a bit more happy.

672
00:31:56,293 --> 00:31:57,373
Speaker 16: They've been happy about stuff.

673
00:31:57,413 --> 00:32:00,533
Speaker 2: We're talking to Mark nov Thomas, CEO of New Newmarket

674
00:32:00,573 --> 00:32:05,613
Speaker 2: Business Association. Are there risks of reduced visitors numbers if

675
00:32:05,693 --> 00:32:08,253
Speaker 2: you're whacking a bed tax on the accommodation.

676
00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:13,733
Speaker 15: I don't think people base their decisions on accommodation if

677
00:32:13,733 --> 00:32:15,453
Speaker 15: they're paid tax or not. I mean, you know, go

678
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:17,893
Speaker 15: overseas in most cities now you'll pay a bed tax.

679
00:32:18,613 --> 00:32:21,773
Speaker 15: I mean Auckland accommodation it's up their price wise, you know.

680
00:32:21,853 --> 00:32:24,773
Speaker 15: But we really want to keep people flooding in. And

681
00:32:24,893 --> 00:32:27,693
Speaker 15: I think if the big tax can be used really

682
00:32:27,733 --> 00:32:30,853
Speaker 15: directly for the promotion of events and conferences and whatever,

683
00:32:30,893 --> 00:32:33,733
Speaker 15: else it's going to be to bring people in regionally

684
00:32:34,413 --> 00:32:36,693
Speaker 15: and for internationally, it's got to be a good thing.

685
00:32:36,773 --> 00:32:39,853
Speaker 15: A lot more targeted stuff towards Australia. I know Touris

686
00:32:39,893 --> 00:32:42,733
Speaker 15: in New Zealand they're doing various campaigns and things, but

687
00:32:42,773 --> 00:32:44,453
Speaker 15: I think we really need to give it some heft

688
00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:48,413
Speaker 15: and I support the council being able to get some

689
00:32:48,453 --> 00:32:51,493
Speaker 15: sort of some money as well to really promote those

690
00:32:51,533 --> 00:32:53,213
Speaker 15: major events coming into Auckland City.

691
00:32:53,613 --> 00:32:55,373
Speaker 3: When we look at what's going on with Auckland, it's

692
00:32:55,373 --> 00:32:58,013
Speaker 3: a confidence issue, right Mark, And I note that the

693
00:32:58,093 --> 00:33:01,093
Speaker 3: last survey only forty four percent of businesses are optimistic

694
00:33:01,133 --> 00:33:03,453
Speaker 3: in Auckland. We know that the unemployment rate is six

695
00:33:03,493 --> 00:33:06,373
Speaker 3: point one percent. So this idea of reducing the corporate

696
00:33:06,413 --> 00:33:08,453
Speaker 3: tax rate, to me makes a bit of sense that

697
00:33:08,533 --> 00:33:12,213
Speaker 3: you inject some optimism confidence people start employing people again.

698
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:14,013
Speaker 3: Isn't that a better way to get things coming.

699
00:33:15,573 --> 00:33:18,133
Speaker 15: I mean, it's probably a multi pronged approach, I think,

700
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:21,173
Speaker 15: And obviously you know it's all about cash and cash flow,

701
00:33:21,293 --> 00:33:23,053
Speaker 15: and I think if the more money we can put

702
00:33:23,093 --> 00:33:25,933
Speaker 15: back into the economy, whether that's through reduced taxes or

703
00:33:26,693 --> 00:33:30,653
Speaker 15: force businesses or individual taxes or whatever, or more income

704
00:33:30,693 --> 00:33:34,413
Speaker 15: coming into the government to help promote Auckland as a destination.

705
00:33:34,413 --> 00:33:35,293
Speaker 15: It's got to be a good thing.

706
00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:35,893
Speaker 4: Honestly.

707
00:33:35,973 --> 00:33:39,373
Speaker 15: Cash flow has been the single biggest problem we're basing

708
00:33:39,413 --> 00:33:42,333
Speaker 15: in Auckland right now, and a lot of retailers, especially

709
00:33:42,413 --> 00:33:45,893
Speaker 15: or hospital providers have gone through a pretty challenging period

710
00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:46,133
Speaker 15: of time.

711
00:33:46,213 --> 00:33:48,453
Speaker 16: The cash flow is so tight that.

712
00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:51,013
Speaker 15: You having one good day can be all the difference

713
00:33:51,053 --> 00:33:52,653
Speaker 15: they need to get them through the week or through

714
00:33:52,693 --> 00:33:55,693
Speaker 15: the month. And I think I can't understate how important

715
00:33:55,693 --> 00:33:56,493
Speaker 15: that cash flow is.

716
00:33:57,053 --> 00:33:59,413
Speaker 2: Well. I always wonder though, if that the big spending

717
00:33:59,453 --> 00:34:02,653
Speaker 2: in Auckland from Auckland has comes from perceived capital gains

718
00:34:02,933 --> 00:34:06,533
Speaker 2: or you perceived wealth from capital gains. So maybe something

719
00:34:06,533 --> 00:34:09,813
Speaker 2: that would help our city out would be if interest

720
00:34:09,893 --> 00:34:12,332
Speaker 2: rates got lowered again a bit, you know, I'd love that.

721
00:34:12,533 --> 00:34:14,493
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, you know you can you can, you

722
00:34:14,493 --> 00:34:16,613
Speaker 15: can make capital gains in your property, but you can't

723
00:34:16,613 --> 00:34:18,613
Speaker 15: eat it and you can't dine out on it, you know.

724
00:34:18,773 --> 00:34:19,013
Speaker 1: Wow.

725
00:34:19,133 --> 00:34:22,453
Speaker 2: But it's a perception thing, isn't it. Mark. I've seen

726
00:34:22,453 --> 00:34:24,253
Speaker 2: a lot of people there feel wealthy. There's a lot

727
00:34:24,253 --> 00:34:26,893
Speaker 2: of people that's suddenly buying an extra bottle of bubbles

728
00:34:26,933 --> 00:34:30,212
Speaker 2: just because they feel like their property Pilly has gone up. Hey,

729
00:34:30,213 --> 00:34:31,252
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Matte.

730
00:34:31,293 --> 00:34:34,013
Speaker 16: Yeah, my pleasure, my feature and the problem.

731
00:34:34,093 --> 00:34:35,933
Speaker 3: Really are good. To get your thoughts and go well.

732
00:34:36,013 --> 00:34:40,053
Speaker 3: That is Mark nof Thomas, CEO of Newmarket Business Association. Oh,

733
00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:42,173
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty, you've heard what he says.

734
00:34:42,173 --> 00:34:42,772
Speaker 3: What do you say?

735
00:34:42,853 --> 00:34:43,053
Speaker 17: Really?

736
00:34:43,053 --> 00:34:45,293
Speaker 3: Can you get your thoughts? It is fourteen to two.

737
00:34:45,493 --> 00:34:48,453
Speaker 2: Texas says, wait till that sky convention centers up and going.

738
00:34:48,493 --> 00:34:49,373
Speaker 2: That'll change everything.

739
00:34:49,453 --> 00:34:50,333
Speaker 3: It's never going to happen.

740
00:34:50,853 --> 00:34:52,493
Speaker 2: That's got some flashing lights. And I saw on the

741
00:34:52,533 --> 00:34:53,293
Speaker 2: way down to work the other.

742
00:34:53,293 --> 00:34:55,733
Speaker 3: Day they love a fire alarm at the man. Yeah.

743
00:34:56,013 --> 00:34:59,493
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

744
00:34:59,733 --> 00:35:03,813
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

745
00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:06,413
Speaker 2: It'd be there's eleven to two, so many texts coming

746
00:35:06,453 --> 00:35:08,053
Speaker 2: through on this. All kind of is a crap hole

747
00:35:08,093 --> 00:35:10,373
Speaker 2: on a I would never choose to go there. I

748
00:35:10,373 --> 00:35:14,293
Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't pay extra in the bed tax to stay theres.

749
00:35:14,573 --> 00:35:17,053
Speaker 2: Auckland's not a crap hole. It depends where you are.

750
00:35:17,093 --> 00:35:18,813
Speaker 2: I mean, they're definitely crap parts of every city.

751
00:35:18,973 --> 00:35:20,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

752
00:35:20,093 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 2: But you can't go out to phr and say it's

753
00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:22,573
Speaker 2: a crap.

754
00:35:22,373 --> 00:35:24,533
Speaker 3: Hole on top of Mount Eden looking out over those

755
00:35:24,573 --> 00:35:25,732
Speaker 3: beautiful waters.

756
00:35:25,453 --> 00:35:28,252
Speaker 2: Walking your dog and takapoona. Yeah, it's a beautiful place,

757
00:35:28,973 --> 00:35:31,533
Speaker 2: walking up one of our beautiful mountains.

758
00:35:32,453 --> 00:35:34,253
Speaker 3: I had my doubts until I moved here, but it is.

759
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:35,133
Speaker 3: It's stunning out there.

760
00:35:35,213 --> 00:35:37,973
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. The way to fix a leaky bucket is

761
00:35:38,013 --> 00:35:40,453
Speaker 2: to fix the holes, not simply pour more water into

762
00:35:40,493 --> 00:35:42,373
Speaker 2: the top. This is what is wrong with Auckland Council.

763
00:35:42,413 --> 00:35:44,493
Speaker 2: The money they waste is eye watering. They waste more

764
00:35:44,533 --> 00:35:46,973
Speaker 2: money every year than most of us we'll see in

765
00:35:47,173 --> 00:35:50,293
Speaker 2: a lifetime. Get real. Overseas tourists do not come to

766
00:35:50,333 --> 00:35:52,933
Speaker 2: New Zealand to see Auckland, a large town pretending to

767
00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:55,212
Speaker 2: be a city. They will probably stay the minimum number

768
00:35:55,253 --> 00:35:57,933
Speaker 2: of nights necessary. Foreigners will come for conventions once the

769
00:35:57,933 --> 00:36:00,453
Speaker 2: center is open, and we'll stay several nights in Auckland.

770
00:36:00,453 --> 00:36:02,732
Speaker 2: The CBD is a chaotic dump. I only go there

771
00:36:02,773 --> 00:36:04,692
Speaker 2: when I have to, and I live in Mount Eden,

772
00:36:05,373 --> 00:36:07,772
Speaker 2: close Lower Queen Street to all traffic. If Ox's Street

773
00:36:07,773 --> 00:36:10,693
Speaker 2: in London can do it, then there are no excuses.

774
00:36:10,733 --> 00:36:11,653
Speaker 2: That is from Gary.

775
00:36:11,733 --> 00:36:12,693
Speaker 3: It's a powerful text.

776
00:36:12,733 --> 00:36:15,453
Speaker 2: But I mean I think that the bid texts could

777
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:17,493
Speaker 2: also be I mean, what about events, mate, even if

778
00:36:17,893 --> 00:36:22,453
Speaker 2: Auckland's rubbish? Yeah exactly, I don't agree, but you know,

779
00:36:22,773 --> 00:36:25,933
Speaker 2: more events might bring more people here and welcome the

780
00:36:25,973 --> 00:36:29,533
Speaker 2: show your thoughts on this, Yeah.

781
00:36:28,813 --> 00:36:31,493
Speaker 10: I'm not a fan and being someone that would travel

782
00:36:31,533 --> 00:36:34,213
Speaker 10: to Auckland is going up there for a major event.

783
00:36:34,253 --> 00:36:37,813
Speaker 10: Accommodation costs rise anyway and more expensive.

784
00:36:38,053 --> 00:36:40,692
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, when events.

785
00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:41,933
Speaker 2: Are on surge pricing.

786
00:36:43,093 --> 00:36:46,053
Speaker 10: Yeah, well yeah, they do that for major events. So

787
00:36:46,253 --> 00:36:46,893
Speaker 10: you don't get.

788
00:36:46,733 --> 00:36:50,253
Speaker 2: Anymore Linda, Where do you come from up to Auckland?

789
00:36:51,093 --> 00:36:54,373
Speaker 2: Christ right? And you come up for the tennis.

790
00:36:55,333 --> 00:36:58,293
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've done a number of times for the tenants.

791
00:36:58,293 --> 00:37:00,652
Speaker 2: It's a great time, isn't it the tennis? Yeah?

792
00:37:00,893 --> 00:37:04,533
Speaker 10: Yeah, But the accommodation costs a rocket when you've got

793
00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:07,493
Speaker 10: an event like that on if you're an accommodation around

794
00:37:07,493 --> 00:37:08,413
Speaker 10: a venue.

795
00:37:08,733 --> 00:37:10,493
Speaker 2: So do you think like a two point five percent

796
00:37:10,533 --> 00:37:13,173
Speaker 2: bed tax would be be the straw that broke the

797
00:37:13,213 --> 00:37:15,172
Speaker 2: camel's back for you, Linda, And you're like, no, I'm

798
00:37:15,213 --> 00:37:16,732
Speaker 2: not coming to the tennis because that's too much.

799
00:37:17,973 --> 00:37:22,413
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, accommodation rises, you know so much.

800
00:37:22,613 --> 00:37:24,172
Speaker 16: It's yes, yep.

801
00:37:24,253 --> 00:37:26,133
Speaker 10: I haven't been for the last couple of years because

802
00:37:26,173 --> 00:37:26,453
Speaker 10: of that.

803
00:37:26,813 --> 00:37:29,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough to Linda. Well, if Wayne Brown's listening,

804
00:37:29,533 --> 00:37:31,613
Speaker 3: you've lost Linda with your bead text idea. She's not

805
00:37:31,653 --> 00:37:33,853
Speaker 3: coming coming to the tennis and coming to the tennis.

806
00:37:34,093 --> 00:37:36,173
Speaker 2: She's going to be at Takaha. Whatever's happening at that

807
00:37:36,253 --> 00:37:38,013
Speaker 2: and that covered stadium down there.

808
00:37:37,933 --> 00:37:39,413
Speaker 3: What a great stadium that's going to be.

809
00:37:40,893 --> 00:37:41,573
Speaker 2: Put a roof on.

810
00:37:41,533 --> 00:37:43,133
Speaker 3: Even part roof on us.

811
00:37:43,173 --> 00:37:45,093
Speaker 2: Everyone's going to be going down to christ Church.

812
00:37:45,493 --> 00:37:46,773
Speaker 3: It is eight to two.

813
00:37:47,653 --> 00:37:51,213
Speaker 1: Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

814
00:37:51,213 --> 00:37:54,573
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

815
00:37:54,733 --> 00:37:56,053
Speaker 1: News TALKSB.

816
00:37:56,573 --> 00:37:59,293
Speaker 3: News talks THEREB. It is five to two.

817
00:38:00,013 --> 00:38:03,373
Speaker 2: Yes. So why do many people from christ Church always

818
00:38:03,413 --> 00:38:06,893
Speaker 2: moan about Auckland and we supported them so much emotionally

819
00:38:06,933 --> 00:38:09,973
Speaker 2: and financially over the earthqake. How about a bit more

820
00:38:10,013 --> 00:38:12,533
Speaker 2: of support. You got to say that the whole nation

821
00:38:12,773 --> 00:38:15,613
Speaker 2: when Auckland was locked down. I've got to say as

822
00:38:15,613 --> 00:38:17,733
Speaker 2: a danned Knight, and you know there's a certain amount

823
00:38:17,773 --> 00:38:20,212
Speaker 2: of anti Auckland rhetoric in Dunedan, although let's be honest,

824
00:38:20,293 --> 00:38:23,093
Speaker 2: d need Nights sort of more have anti christ Church rhetoric.

825
00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:23,733
Speaker 2: That's a lot to do.

826
00:38:24,013 --> 00:38:25,533
Speaker 3: It doesn't like anybody apart from Dunedin.

827
00:38:25,693 --> 00:38:28,692
Speaker 2: That's not true, how dear you. They love Wellington people

828
00:38:28,693 --> 00:38:32,133
Speaker 2: from Dunedin forres Anyway, in Donedan, due to a like

829
00:38:32,213 --> 00:38:34,493
Speaker 2: Canterbury constantly beating us at sport, it's caused a certain

830
00:38:34,493 --> 00:38:38,253
Speaker 2: amount of resentment over the years. But any way, it

831
00:38:38,293 --> 00:38:40,732
Speaker 2: does seem to me that the reaction from people from

832
00:38:40,733 --> 00:38:43,213
Speaker 2: Wellington and christ Church when we were locked down was

833
00:38:43,253 --> 00:38:46,213
Speaker 2: screw you. There wasn't There wasn't much sympathy for Auckland.

834
00:38:46,293 --> 00:38:49,733
Speaker 2: Definitely was no sympthy from Wellington governmental or otherwise.

835
00:38:49,813 --> 00:38:51,693
Speaker 3: For it was a bit of smartress arounds.

836
00:38:51,973 --> 00:38:54,253
Speaker 2: But I think Auckland's pretty nice to other people when

837
00:38:54,413 --> 00:38:57,212
Speaker 2: other parts of the country when they go through hard times. Yeah,

838
00:38:57,613 --> 00:38:59,893
Speaker 2: I think. I mean that's mainly because most people in

839
00:38:59,893 --> 00:39:02,493
Speaker 2: Auckland from Auckland. They're from other parts of the country anyway.

840
00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:05,772
Speaker 2: So I think on this discussion of the bid tax

841
00:39:05,773 --> 00:39:08,133
Speaker 2: in Auckland and how we can promote the economy in

842
00:39:08,133 --> 00:39:12,373
Speaker 2: all because it's hurting falls into three camps. You can't

843
00:39:12,413 --> 00:39:14,213
Speaker 2: text your way out of problems, so what you're spending

844
00:39:14,213 --> 00:39:16,173
Speaker 2: out first? That seems to be a very popular one.

845
00:39:16,493 --> 00:39:19,373
Speaker 2: Another popular sort of opinion is bid tax is a

846
00:39:19,373 --> 00:39:21,413
Speaker 2: great idea no one will notice. Grab the cash off

847
00:39:21,453 --> 00:39:23,493
Speaker 2: for visits and make Auckland great again.

848
00:39:23,613 --> 00:39:23,853
Speaker 3: Yep.

849
00:39:24,093 --> 00:39:26,973
Speaker 2: And about fifty percent of the Texas Texas say Auckland

850
00:39:27,053 --> 00:39:27,773
Speaker 2: is crap, Let it rot.

851
00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:30,533
Speaker 3: So yeah, there we go. It's yeah, good summary.

852
00:39:30,653 --> 00:39:32,653
Speaker 2: So once again we've failed to find a consensus on

853
00:39:32,693 --> 00:39:33,413
Speaker 2: the issue. Yep.

854
00:39:33,533 --> 00:39:35,213
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure we'll talk about this again. It's not

855
00:39:35,253 --> 00:39:37,613
Speaker 3: going to go away anytime soon. But coming up after

856
00:39:37,653 --> 00:39:41,973
Speaker 3: two o'clock, let's have a chat about private investigators and cheating.

857
00:39:42,293 --> 00:39:44,413
Speaker 3: If you're a private investigator, love to hear from you,

858
00:39:44,453 --> 00:39:48,533
Speaker 3: and if you've used a PI to try and discover

859
00:39:48,653 --> 00:39:50,853
Speaker 3: some cheating behavior going on. Oh one hundred and eighty

860
00:39:50,893 --> 00:39:51,613
Speaker 3: ten eighty.

861
00:39:51,573 --> 00:39:56,853
Speaker 2: Special Economic Zone borders the super city until we get going.

862
00:39:57,013 --> 00:39:59,253
Speaker 3: And put a roof on Eden Park yep, yep.

863
00:39:59,493 --> 00:40:01,933
Speaker 2: Singapore rise Auckland until we're rich again.

864
00:40:02,053 --> 00:40:04,973
Speaker 3: You heard it here. First, Newsport and Weather, it's coming up.

865
00:40:05,093 --> 00:40:06,893
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you're having a

866
00:40:06,893 --> 00:40:10,172
Speaker 3: great afternoon. We'll see you care very shortly.

867
00:40:13,093 --> 00:40:16,933
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

868
00:40:16,973 --> 00:40:19,053
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk zid Bey.

869
00:40:20,533 --> 00:40:23,813
Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon to you. It is seven past too.

870
00:40:23,933 --> 00:40:27,493
Speaker 2: Well, well, well, it's kicking off in Parliament right now

871
00:40:28,053 --> 00:40:32,333
Speaker 2: with a vote on close Warbrick with us. She has

872
00:40:32,413 --> 00:40:34,573
Speaker 2: to leave the house or not. There was yays and

873
00:40:34,653 --> 00:40:37,533
Speaker 2: NAIs all over the place. The yeas said yay, and

874
00:40:37,573 --> 00:40:40,212
Speaker 2: there was more yays than Nay's Jerry Brown, he's trying

875
00:40:40,253 --> 00:40:42,933
Speaker 2: to work out what's going on. You've got Chris Hipkins

876
00:40:43,413 --> 00:40:47,253
Speaker 2: who's questioning the validity validity of even asking the question.

877
00:40:47,973 --> 00:40:52,133
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just happening right now. So I was

878
00:40:52,173 --> 00:40:53,653
Speaker 2: trying to watch it and then I was rudely interrupted

879
00:40:53,693 --> 00:40:54,413
Speaker 2: by having to do this show.

880
00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:56,813
Speaker 3: He had to come back in. But we might here.

881
00:40:56,813 --> 00:40:57,733
Speaker 2: It's exciting stuff.

882
00:40:58,013 --> 00:41:00,333
Speaker 3: It is all kicking off in parliament. So what we

883
00:41:00,453 --> 00:41:03,173
Speaker 3: might do very shortly is have a checked to Berry Soaper,

884
00:41:03,453 --> 00:41:08,613
Speaker 3: our political national correspondent. Or there's Jerry and he's looks

885
00:41:08,693 --> 00:41:11,173
Speaker 3: very stern and very upset with how things are unfolded.

886
00:41:11,213 --> 00:41:12,693
Speaker 3: I feel for Jerry. He said to deal with a

887
00:41:12,733 --> 00:41:15,333
Speaker 3: lot in a short time as speaker. But we may

888
00:41:15,373 --> 00:41:17,613
Speaker 3: have a chat to Barry Soap. He's just in the

889
00:41:18,133 --> 00:41:20,733
Speaker 3: in the news room watching it all unfold. But this

890
00:41:20,973 --> 00:41:24,373
Speaker 3: is exciting and spicy and this is what we love

891
00:41:24,373 --> 00:41:25,772
Speaker 3: about New Zealand politics.

892
00:41:25,493 --> 00:41:27,453
Speaker 2: And so I'd be interested to know what happens. Is

893
00:41:27,533 --> 00:41:29,493
Speaker 2: the Sergeant of Arms come and drag her out if

894
00:41:29,533 --> 00:41:31,733
Speaker 2: she won't go, that'll be dramatic.

895
00:41:31,853 --> 00:41:33,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be dramatic. I hope that happens.

896
00:41:34,133 --> 00:41:37,413
Speaker 2: They would give her the pictures that she's craving, yeah,

897
00:41:37,453 --> 00:41:38,093
Speaker 2: for her bass.

898
00:41:38,893 --> 00:41:41,013
Speaker 3: So yeah, what we'll do, we'll just see if we can,

899
00:41:41,053 --> 00:41:43,893
Speaker 3: wrote Barry Soaper and have a chat. We just getting

900
00:41:43,893 --> 00:41:46,573
Speaker 3: a nod from Andrew there. So we'll play some messages

901
00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:49,013
Speaker 3: out because this is a big news as it's unfolding now,

902
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:51,333
Speaker 3: So we'll play some messages and when we come back,

903
00:41:51,373 --> 00:41:53,973
Speaker 3: hopefully we'll have Barry Soper in studio to break this

904
00:41:54,013 --> 00:41:54,333
Speaker 3: all down.

905
00:41:54,413 --> 00:41:56,533
Speaker 2: This is fascinating, So we're going to take Barry away

906
00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:57,053
Speaker 2: from watching it.

907
00:41:57,093 --> 00:41:59,292
Speaker 3: He's not gonna be happy, but we've got a tally

908
00:41:59,373 --> 00:42:01,813
Speaker 3: rolling now. He can watch it here. But hopefully that

909
00:42:01,933 --> 00:42:05,733
Speaker 3: is coming up very shortly. It is eight past two.

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Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon until mad Heathen Taylor Adams

911
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Speaker 1: afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said be.

912
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Speaker 3: It is eleven past too. So, as we mentioned, it's

913
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Speaker 3: all kicked off in Parliament. As we know, Chloe Swarbrick,

914
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Speaker 3: the co leader of the Green Party, was due to

915
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Speaker 3: reappear in the House where she was going to be

916
00:42:27,653 --> 00:42:31,053
Speaker 3: asked to apologize for earlier comments that saw her expelled

917
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Speaker 3: from the house. So just going through the timeline of

918
00:42:33,693 --> 00:42:36,893
Speaker 3: events over the last seven minutes. So they went into

919
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Speaker 3: the chamber. As soon as they entered and sat down speaking,

920
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Speaker 3: Jerry Browne invited Chloe Swarbrick to apologize. She said, I quote,

921
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Speaker 3: I won't be doing that, mister speaker. He told her

922
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Speaker 3: to get out of the house. He also said us

923
00:42:47,533 --> 00:42:50,613
Speaker 3: Swarbrick should be named a serious punishment that would result

924
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Speaker 3: in her leaving the House of course and having her

925
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Speaker 3: pay docked. As she was leaving the chamber, she shelted

926
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Speaker 3: out Free Palestine. Then Labor leader Chris Hipkins raised a

927
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Speaker 3: point of order over the naming of Swarbrick. That's the

928
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Speaker 3: punishment that would see her pay docked. Then they took

929
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Speaker 3: a few votes, but of all people, New Zealand First

930
00:43:07,933 --> 00:43:11,733
Speaker 3: leader Wiston Beaters, he offered support of a kind to Swarbrick,

931
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Speaker 3: noting he did not agree with what she said, but

932
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Speaker 3: he did not think it was out of order. On

933
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Speaker 3: his way into the chamber, Winston Peters see Chloe Swarbrick's

934
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Speaker 3: comments in the house yesterday were not offensive, offensive enough

935
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Speaker 3: to be booted out. I quote, if you can have

936
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Speaker 3: John Key say get some guts or accept the sea word,

937
00:43:27,053 --> 00:43:29,773
Speaker 3: which was outrageous, then how could she be offensive in

938
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Speaker 3: that context?

939
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Speaker 2: Well, it kind of makes sense for Winston Peters to

940
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Speaker 2: say that because he says all kinds of things in

941
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Speaker 2: the house, doesn't.

942
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Speaker 3: He He loves letting wins beters in the house.

943
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Speaker 2: I mean, he knows the rules better than nearly anyone,

944
00:43:39,693 --> 00:43:43,253
Speaker 2: and he sometimes breaks those rules. But dramatic. You got

945
00:43:43,293 --> 00:43:46,493
Speaker 2: to say that the whole situation was dramatic. And as

946
00:43:46,773 --> 00:43:48,453
Speaker 2: you're saying before, we'll try and get a word to

947
00:43:48,453 --> 00:43:51,733
Speaker 2: Barry Soper when we can. But as you can imagine,

948
00:43:51,733 --> 00:43:55,613
Speaker 2: and rightly so, he's watching events as as they unfold,

949
00:43:56,573 --> 00:43:58,692
Speaker 2: with everyone having this say in Parliament right now.

950
00:43:58,773 --> 00:44:01,573
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we will get Barry Soper in as soon as

951
00:44:01,653 --> 00:44:04,013
Speaker 3: what's unfolding in the house wraps up, so that will

952
00:44:04,013 --> 00:44:06,933
Speaker 3: be this hour. But in the meantime, let's go back

953
00:44:06,933 --> 00:44:09,493
Speaker 3: to the topic we're original going to have a chat about.

954
00:44:09,573 --> 00:44:14,373
Speaker 3: So private investigators investigating suspected cheating. There's a story in

955
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Speaker 3: the Hero today about a woman called Allie Mars. She

956
00:44:16,373 --> 00:44:19,212
Speaker 3: became a private investigator at the age of fifty, sitting

957
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Speaker 3: up her own agency. She charges get this, one hundred

958
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:25,333
Speaker 3: and ninety two bucks an hour, and most of her

959
00:44:25,373 --> 00:44:27,853
Speaker 3: work is investigating potential cheatish.

960
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Speaker 2: So that's not too bad. Is one hundred and ninety

961
00:44:29,933 --> 00:44:32,333
Speaker 2: two dollars an hour. It's good wicket to be a

962
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Speaker 2: private eye. I guess you're sitting in front of a

963
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Speaker 2: lot of houses, taking photographs, following people around and stuff.

964
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Speaker 2: It sounds quite quite like a glamorous career to me. Yeah,

965
00:44:40,333 --> 00:44:41,733
Speaker 2: sounds pretty megnum p I.

966
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Speaker 3: It sounds like the life.

967
00:44:43,373 --> 00:44:46,533
Speaker 2: It's probably more glamorous than kicking Chloe Schwarbrick out of Parliament.

968
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Speaker 2: Maybe Jerry Browney would want to do this for one

969
00:44:48,373 --> 00:44:49,493
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two dollars an hour.

970
00:44:49,573 --> 00:44:51,333
Speaker 3: Hey, it's good money. And if you sit around eating

971
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Speaker 3: donuts or you know, having liaisons with nice looking ladies.

972
00:44:54,413 --> 00:44:56,652
Speaker 2: Why did you bring up sitting around eating donuts after

973
00:44:56,693 --> 00:44:57,893
Speaker 2: I said Jerry Browley.

974
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Speaker 3: No reason, no reason. Who doesn't like a donut?

975
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Speaker 5: Oh?

976
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Speaker 3: Eight one hundred eighty at eighty. If you are a

977
00:45:03,613 --> 00:45:07,133
Speaker 3: private investigator, what is involved in the work that you do?

978
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Speaker 3: How much of it is investigating suspected cheaters within a relationship?

979
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Speaker 3: I imagine there's a lot of private investigators that would

980
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Speaker 3: do the old trackdown family members as well. That would

981
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Speaker 3: be a messive part of it.

982
00:45:17,933 --> 00:45:20,813
Speaker 2: Yeah. And with a private investigate, do you need to

983
00:45:20,813 --> 00:45:23,053
Speaker 2: have a license? What qualifications do you have to be

984
00:45:23,613 --> 00:45:26,413
Speaker 2: have to be a private investigator in New Zealand? Is

985
00:45:26,413 --> 00:45:27,413
Speaker 2: it a good way to make money?

986
00:45:27,493 --> 00:45:27,732
Speaker 3: Yep?

987
00:45:28,013 --> 00:45:29,813
Speaker 2: And have you used a private investigator?

988
00:45:30,013 --> 00:45:30,172
Speaker 5: Oh?

989
00:45:30,173 --> 00:45:33,692
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

990
00:45:34,173 --> 00:45:36,013
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what right now, we do actually

991
00:45:36,013 --> 00:45:38,692
Speaker 3: have a private investigator who's called in. His name's Dion

992
00:45:38,773 --> 00:45:39,613
Speaker 3: and he's on the line.

993
00:45:39,813 --> 00:45:44,613
Speaker 2: Get adon, holdly go there you go, bloody good, thanks Dion.

994
00:45:44,773 --> 00:45:46,573
Speaker 2: So how long have you been a private investigator for?

995
00:45:47,533 --> 00:45:50,933
Speaker 7: Yeah? Lookince, I was eighteen so nineteen eighty seven, which

996
00:45:51,093 --> 00:45:53,173
Speaker 7: kind of makes this kill particularly old today.

997
00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:57,893
Speaker 2: So because a lot of private investigators are ex police officers.

998
00:45:57,893 --> 00:46:01,093
Speaker 2: But you went straight into it after school, did you down?

999
00:46:01,373 --> 00:46:01,573
Speaker 7: Well?

1000
00:46:01,613 --> 00:46:01,973
Speaker 16: I had?

1001
00:46:02,013 --> 00:46:04,333
Speaker 7: I was the exception really to the rule. I had

1002
00:46:04,373 --> 00:46:08,413
Speaker 7: an opportunity to work with a private investigation come and

1003
00:46:08,653 --> 00:46:13,053
Speaker 7: security consultancy and I basically managed to work with a

1004
00:46:13,053 --> 00:46:16,573
Speaker 7: couple of pioneers, if you like, for the PI industry,

1005
00:46:16,973 --> 00:46:20,053
Speaker 7: and specifically they hired me to do some jobs and

1006
00:46:20,173 --> 00:46:23,493
Speaker 7: from there I've remained in the industry for ceva years.

1007
00:46:24,493 --> 00:46:27,813
Speaker 2: And what qualifications did you have to get to become

1008
00:46:27,813 --> 00:46:30,173
Speaker 2: a private investigator when you're eighteen?

1009
00:46:31,653 --> 00:46:34,173
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's probably a very good question, really. So I

1010
00:46:34,253 --> 00:46:36,813
Speaker 7: was fortunate enough that the Royal nes here And Police

1011
00:46:36,813 --> 00:46:41,533
Speaker 7: College had an investigation skills course, so I did that.

1012
00:46:42,533 --> 00:46:47,573
Speaker 7: I also did a certified fraud Examiner's certification, which unfortunately

1013
00:46:47,573 --> 00:46:50,813
Speaker 7: has now expired. And plus there was lots and lots

1014
00:46:50,853 --> 00:46:55,453
Speaker 7: of on the job training with former police detectives, police officers,

1015
00:46:55,613 --> 00:46:58,053
Speaker 7: and basically they just put me under the wing and

1016
00:46:58,093 --> 00:47:01,133
Speaker 7: I did some specific tasks for them, which I could

1017
00:47:01,133 --> 00:47:02,933
Speaker 7: get away with a lot more than they could because

1018
00:47:02,933 --> 00:47:04,933
Speaker 7: they all looked like they've been in the police and

1019
00:47:04,973 --> 00:47:05,533
Speaker 7: I hadn't.

1020
00:47:06,773 --> 00:47:09,013
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? I see they were recognizable,

1021
00:47:09,013 --> 00:47:10,373
Speaker 2: they had big mustaches or whatever.

1022
00:47:11,733 --> 00:47:13,453
Speaker 7: You see them at the strand and go, he's probably

1023
00:47:13,453 --> 00:47:14,293
Speaker 7: been a police officer.

1024
00:47:15,693 --> 00:47:17,373
Speaker 16: Science you got it?

1025
00:47:17,693 --> 00:47:22,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so what would most of your work encompass now,

1026
00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:24,093
Speaker 3: den Is it a bit of a mix or is

1027
00:47:24,173 --> 00:47:29,373
Speaker 3: it lean heavily towards the investigating infidelity look.

1028
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:34,813
Speaker 7: I operates the Neil Group otherwise known as TNG, And

1029
00:47:34,933 --> 00:47:36,533
Speaker 7: of course I'm going to tell you that you should

1030
00:47:36,573 --> 00:47:40,133
Speaker 7: go to TG dot NZ for some information. But the

1031
00:47:40,173 --> 00:47:44,333
Speaker 7: services that we provide around private investigations does vary, and

1032
00:47:44,373 --> 00:47:50,973
Speaker 7: we do get involved with fraud and theft investigations, workplace investigations.

1033
00:47:52,053 --> 00:47:55,293
Speaker 7: We do find missing people and a case only just

1034
00:47:55,453 --> 00:47:59,772
Speaker 7: yesterday we reconnected someone that was some very very good

1035
00:47:59,853 --> 00:48:03,373
Speaker 7: news from an inheritance. So the work is varied. And

1036
00:48:03,413 --> 00:48:05,493
Speaker 7: if you go back to infidelity, which I think is

1037
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:07,973
Speaker 7: part of your question, I guess you know, the cheating

1038
00:48:08,013 --> 00:48:12,493
Speaker 7: partner scenario, it only probably represents a very small percentage

1039
00:48:12,533 --> 00:48:14,573
Speaker 7: of what we do. A lot of what we do

1040
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Speaker 7: now is obtaining evidence. We do a lot of work

1041
00:48:17,333 --> 00:48:19,213
Speaker 7: with law firms. We do a lot of work with

1042
00:48:19,293 --> 00:48:25,292
Speaker 7: some businesses, small medium enterprises and an occasionally the odd

1043
00:48:25,333 --> 00:48:26,173
Speaker 7: government agency.

1044
00:48:26,853 --> 00:48:28,533
Speaker 2: So are you spending a bit of time sitting in

1045
00:48:28,573 --> 00:48:33,973
Speaker 2: cars doing stakeouts and the kind of private eyework that

1046
00:48:34,013 --> 00:48:37,053
Speaker 2: we see on televisions and movies and such.

1047
00:48:38,333 --> 00:48:40,533
Speaker 7: Well, you've got to get used to sitting on your

1048
00:48:40,573 --> 00:48:44,093
Speaker 7: own remaining really observant, and you've got to be able

1049
00:48:44,093 --> 00:48:46,813
Speaker 7: to remain focused. And so yes, you do spend a

1050
00:48:46,853 --> 00:48:49,773
Speaker 7: lot of time and nothing happens, and then all of

1051
00:48:49,813 --> 00:48:52,093
Speaker 7: a sudden you could have a moment of excitement. It

1052
00:48:52,093 --> 00:48:54,093
Speaker 7: can only last seconds or a minute.

1053
00:48:54,693 --> 00:48:57,293
Speaker 2: So you're following cars a couple of cars behind, and

1054
00:48:57,333 --> 00:48:59,933
Speaker 2: all those kind of things are those skills that you

1055
00:48:59,973 --> 00:49:02,333
Speaker 2: go learn and training or those skills that you learn

1056
00:49:02,333 --> 00:49:03,413
Speaker 2: in the job over the years.

1057
00:49:04,653 --> 00:49:07,533
Speaker 7: Look, I was again, I was very lucky, like in

1058
00:49:07,573 --> 00:49:09,692
Speaker 7: the late eighties be able to get that skill set

1059
00:49:11,013 --> 00:49:13,692
Speaker 7: and to be able to be trained in surveillance and

1060
00:49:13,693 --> 00:49:16,652
Speaker 7: to be able to be trained into intelligence gathering and

1061
00:49:16,773 --> 00:49:21,053
Speaker 7: investigations by some of the most amazing people from the

1062
00:49:21,053 --> 00:49:24,853
Speaker 7: private investigation industry and sadly to have passed away now,

1063
00:49:25,293 --> 00:49:27,493
Speaker 7: But you know, I would never have been able to

1064
00:49:27,493 --> 00:49:31,333
Speaker 7: get into this industry without those two particular gentlemen, and

1065
00:49:31,373 --> 00:49:34,893
Speaker 7: the support of a great group of ex detectives and

1066
00:49:34,933 --> 00:49:37,893
Speaker 7: police officers is too many to name, but they've really

1067
00:49:37,933 --> 00:49:40,773
Speaker 7: helped me along the way, and they've remained in contact

1068
00:49:40,853 --> 00:49:44,252
Speaker 7: with me. And you know, it's just one of those

1069
00:49:44,293 --> 00:49:48,493
Speaker 7: industries that it really is just it's quite rewarding, and

1070
00:49:48,493 --> 00:49:51,253
Speaker 7: I could never imagine doing anything else now. And I

1071
00:49:51,293 --> 00:49:53,533
Speaker 7: have worked part time and full time, and I've had

1072
00:49:53,573 --> 00:49:56,333
Speaker 7: other careers, and I've actually done it all my days off.

1073
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Speaker 7: For example, I've tried to leave a couple of times

1074
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Speaker 7: that I found myself always coming back.

1075
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Speaker 3: Have you, you know, to use the Hollywood term, have

1076
00:50:03,973 --> 00:50:05,973
Speaker 3: you ever been made while you're on a job that

1077
00:50:06,053 --> 00:50:07,973
Speaker 3: someone spotted gen realized what you were doing.

1078
00:50:09,773 --> 00:50:13,973
Speaker 7: Look, there are people that are surveillance savvy, if you like,

1079
00:50:14,013 --> 00:50:16,933
Speaker 7: there are people that do have reason to continue to

1080
00:50:16,973 --> 00:50:19,973
Speaker 7: look over their shoulder. You've got there are you know,

1081
00:50:20,013 --> 00:50:22,493
Speaker 7: there are some messods that you can use to ensure

1082
00:50:22,533 --> 00:50:25,093
Speaker 7: that you're not detected. And that is one of the

1083
00:50:25,133 --> 00:50:28,453
Speaker 7: most important things in terms of doing a good surveillance

1084
00:50:28,533 --> 00:50:32,933
Speaker 7: job is obviously not being seen, not being you know,

1085
00:50:33,253 --> 00:50:34,973
Speaker 7: you know, somebody having a look at you and going

1086
00:50:35,133 --> 00:50:37,692
Speaker 7: why is that car keet following us, et cetera. So

1087
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Speaker 7: we look, we use different kinds of vehicles, we have

1088
00:50:40,493 --> 00:50:44,893
Speaker 7: different ways that we carry out surveillance. Probably in my

1089
00:50:45,013 --> 00:50:47,652
Speaker 7: early days, you know, we were doing a lot of

1090
00:50:47,693 --> 00:50:51,733
Speaker 7: work for the government agency around insurance forward and you know,

1091
00:50:51,773 --> 00:50:53,813
Speaker 7: that's kind of where I cut my teeth, and I'm

1092
00:50:53,853 --> 00:50:55,733
Speaker 7: sure probably back then I was made if you like,

1093
00:50:55,733 --> 00:50:58,813
Speaker 7: a couple of times otherwise, sometimes we're looking at people

1094
00:50:58,853 --> 00:51:03,253
Speaker 7: that are anti social or maybe have criminal connection, and

1095
00:51:03,333 --> 00:51:06,013
Speaker 7: some of those people are always looking over their shoulder.

1096
00:51:06,213 --> 00:51:08,253
Speaker 2: And so that sort of bigs a question. Doesn't know

1097
00:51:08,613 --> 00:51:11,813
Speaker 2: what's as a job? Is it a high risk occupation?

1098
00:51:12,413 --> 00:51:14,453
Speaker 2: I imagine being found out by one of these kind

1099
00:51:14,493 --> 00:51:19,093
Speaker 2: of antisocial types might be risky for your personal safety.

1100
00:51:19,973 --> 00:51:22,413
Speaker 7: Yeah, look, it can be. It really depends on the

1101
00:51:22,493 --> 00:51:24,373
Speaker 7: nature of the assignment that you're doing at the time.

1102
00:51:25,413 --> 00:51:28,053
Speaker 7: You know, we do everything from process serving, which is

1103
00:51:28,053 --> 00:51:32,173
Speaker 7: the service of legal documents, to motor vehicle repositions, to

1104
00:51:32,293 --> 00:51:34,933
Speaker 7: field visits, which is like a door knock and reconnecting

1105
00:51:34,973 --> 00:51:38,172
Speaker 7: our clients with their client. So you know, it used

1106
00:51:38,213 --> 00:51:40,253
Speaker 7: to be called a death of visits, but now we're

1107
00:51:40,333 --> 00:51:43,533
Speaker 7: kind of you know, payment arrangements. It really depends on

1108
00:51:43,573 --> 00:51:45,893
Speaker 7: the nature of the job. Sometimes a motor vehicle reposition

1109
00:51:46,253 --> 00:51:48,652
Speaker 7: or serving a legal document, or even if field visit

1110
00:51:48,693 --> 00:51:51,893
Speaker 7: can go wrong very very quickly because some of the

1111
00:51:51,893 --> 00:51:54,853
Speaker 7: people that we're dealing with now maybe not as balanced

1112
00:51:54,893 --> 00:51:58,493
Speaker 7: as what they used to be. So we are very

1113
00:51:58,493 --> 00:52:02,933
Speaker 7: cautious when we approach any property, any house, because yeah,

1114
00:52:02,933 --> 00:52:05,893
Speaker 7: there is a certain amount of risk involve for sure, as.

1115
00:52:06,093 --> 00:52:09,692
Speaker 2: Being a private investigator. What's a better way to ask us?

1116
00:52:09,933 --> 00:52:11,453
Speaker 2: I don't have a better way. Is it a good

1117
00:52:11,493 --> 00:52:14,613
Speaker 2: paying job? Does it pay? Okay?

1118
00:52:15,253 --> 00:52:17,453
Speaker 7: Sometimes it's a bit like being a real estate agent.

1119
00:52:18,613 --> 00:52:21,493
Speaker 7: You know, things are When things are growth are great

1120
00:52:21,653 --> 00:52:24,813
Speaker 7: and when they're not, they're really not. And there are

1121
00:52:24,853 --> 00:52:28,613
Speaker 7: a lot of private investigators in New Zealand. You know,

1122
00:52:29,293 --> 00:52:34,533
Speaker 7: some specialize in particular investigation work, some are generalists, and

1123
00:52:34,573 --> 00:52:36,973
Speaker 7: some people only last a year or two, not even that,

1124
00:52:37,093 --> 00:52:38,853
Speaker 7: and they and they go back and they and they

1125
00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:43,973
Speaker 7: try something else. But it is well paying depending on

1126
00:52:44,013 --> 00:52:46,573
Speaker 7: the type of assignment that you're doing. I'm being very

1127
00:52:46,613 --> 00:52:47,413
Speaker 7: careful around that.

1128
00:52:47,973 --> 00:52:51,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is fair enough to dion. So for

1129
00:52:51,973 --> 00:52:56,213
Speaker 3: someone that might be on the receiving end of being investigated,

1130
00:52:56,573 --> 00:52:58,933
Speaker 3: and then there must be privacy issues that come into

1131
00:52:59,013 --> 00:53:02,093
Speaker 3: plan that side of things, because if someone's contacted you

1132
00:53:02,133 --> 00:53:06,893
Speaker 3: and they suspect there's fraud or cheating, infidelity and they're

1133
00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:10,053
Speaker 3: wrong and you don't find any of that evidence, imagine

1134
00:53:10,093 --> 00:53:12,133
Speaker 3: the person on receiving and if they find out can

1135
00:53:12,133 --> 00:53:13,333
Speaker 3: get pretty angry about that.

1136
00:53:14,453 --> 00:53:18,493
Speaker 7: But they can I think in particular workplace investigation, so

1137
00:53:18,773 --> 00:53:22,493
Speaker 7: the typical employee theft if you like, where we get

1138
00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:27,133
Speaker 7: called in to gather evidence, talk to people in that workplace,

1139
00:53:27,333 --> 00:53:29,733
Speaker 7: and we're basically we're doing a lot of intelligence gathering,

1140
00:53:29,733 --> 00:53:32,933
Speaker 7: We're gathering evidence, and we're putting a case together so

1141
00:53:33,013 --> 00:53:37,013
Speaker 7: that someone other than the investigator will go and interview

1142
00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:39,533
Speaker 7: the person or people that are responsible for a fraud

1143
00:53:39,653 --> 00:53:42,533
Speaker 7: or a theft in a workplace. We like to separate ourselves.

1144
00:53:42,533 --> 00:53:44,772
Speaker 7: So you have a private investigator that does the work

1145
00:53:44,813 --> 00:53:48,893
Speaker 7: in the background, that does the surveillance, does the investigation work,

1146
00:53:49,013 --> 00:53:52,733
Speaker 7: does you know a lot of you know, the intelligence

1147
00:53:52,773 --> 00:53:54,853
Speaker 7: gathering and the evidence that's required, And then we have

1148
00:53:54,893 --> 00:53:58,773
Speaker 7: a super private investigator that will use that information and

1149
00:53:58,893 --> 00:54:03,933
Speaker 7: they will be probably interviewing one or two people typically

1150
00:54:03,973 --> 00:54:07,172
Speaker 7: what we would suggest as the offender. They will also

1151
00:54:07,253 --> 00:54:11,733
Speaker 7: do some witness statements and maybe talk to other employees.

1152
00:54:11,773 --> 00:54:16,652
Speaker 7: So this sometimes there is whistleblowers inside companies and sometimes

1153
00:54:16,693 --> 00:54:20,093
Speaker 7: that is the reasons for why private investigators are employed.

1154
00:54:21,853 --> 00:54:25,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know what led us to the story

1155
00:54:25,773 --> 00:54:29,333
Speaker 2: was Ali Marsh, who's become a private investigator at fifty

1156
00:54:29,573 --> 00:54:31,653
Speaker 2: Is it a job that you would recommend to people,

1157
00:54:31,653 --> 00:54:33,172
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people losing their jobs at

1158
00:54:33,173 --> 00:54:35,653
Speaker 2: the moment. Is it a profession that you would recommend

1159
00:54:36,133 --> 00:54:36,693
Speaker 2: to others?

1160
00:54:39,533 --> 00:54:43,933
Speaker 7: I would, but I would probably be cautious right now

1161
00:54:43,973 --> 00:54:46,533
Speaker 7: around around that because there are a lot of private

1162
00:54:46,573 --> 00:54:49,973
Speaker 7: investigators and like I said before, it's a bit like

1163
00:54:50,013 --> 00:54:52,613
Speaker 7: being a real estate agent, so you can't always guarantee

1164
00:54:52,653 --> 00:54:55,613
Speaker 7: your income. But what we like to do, like at

1165
00:54:55,653 --> 00:54:58,173
Speaker 7: the Nail Group, we also have Proceed, which is a

1166
00:54:58,213 --> 00:55:01,773
Speaker 7: process serve and company, So we like to diversify, I

1167
00:55:01,773 --> 00:55:04,693
Speaker 7: guess in terms of one part of the business like

1168
00:55:04,773 --> 00:55:07,533
Speaker 7: Proceed might be incredibly busy, which it often is doing

1169
00:55:07,613 --> 00:55:10,293
Speaker 7: serving documents. On the other side of the Mail Group,

1170
00:55:10,493 --> 00:55:14,853
Speaker 7: we also do security consultancy work, so we also provide

1171
00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:18,293
Speaker 7: some high level security and personal protection. So when you

1172
00:55:18,293 --> 00:55:20,453
Speaker 7: look at our website, you'll see that what we do

1173
00:55:20,613 --> 00:55:24,933
Speaker 7: various because it has to Sometimes private investigation work might

1174
00:55:24,973 --> 00:55:28,172
Speaker 7: be really you know, I guess slow. Then we'll get

1175
00:55:28,213 --> 00:55:31,053
Speaker 7: an assignment and it might be a major sift or

1176
00:55:31,173 --> 00:55:34,933
Speaker 7: fraud investigation, and it will take a lot of resources,

1177
00:55:35,013 --> 00:55:37,172
Speaker 7: and you know, you might get two or three private

1178
00:55:37,213 --> 00:55:41,093
Speaker 7: investigators on that job. When that's not happening, we're outseving documents,

1179
00:55:41,133 --> 00:55:44,493
Speaker 7: we're reposessing cars, we're finding missing people, We're doing door knocks,

1180
00:55:45,293 --> 00:55:46,013
Speaker 7: field visits.

1181
00:55:46,013 --> 00:55:47,333
Speaker 3: That sort of thing fascinating.

1182
00:55:47,413 --> 00:55:49,093
Speaker 2: And this might sound an odd question, but a lot

1183
00:55:49,093 --> 00:55:50,693
Speaker 2: of texts coming through with this and you might not

1184
00:55:50,733 --> 00:55:52,493
Speaker 2: want to answer it. But do you work for, Sir

1185
00:55:52,573 --> 00:55:53,293
Speaker 2: Peter Jackson?

1186
00:55:56,493 --> 00:55:59,293
Speaker 7: I can't really comment about the clients that we work with.

1187
00:55:59,493 --> 00:56:01,093
Speaker 7: I would like to be able to do that.

1188
00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:05,172
Speaker 3: Yep, nicely said, spoken like a proper PI. You've got

1189
00:56:05,173 --> 00:56:05,613
Speaker 3: the training.

1190
00:56:05,733 --> 00:56:07,053
Speaker 2: Do you work for Jamie Oliver.

1191
00:56:09,533 --> 00:56:11,813
Speaker 3: We'll keep going down the list until you say, yesterday.

1192
00:56:11,533 --> 00:56:13,053
Speaker 7: I was going to say, we can you know, we

1193
00:56:13,093 --> 00:56:14,493
Speaker 7: can carry on like this all day?

1194
00:56:14,573 --> 00:56:14,732
Speaker 10: Guy?

1195
00:56:17,693 --> 00:56:21,373
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Look, look, I appreciate the opportunity to talk

1196
00:56:21,413 --> 00:56:24,292
Speaker 7: about private investigators, and but it is one of those

1197
00:56:24,333 --> 00:56:26,813
Speaker 7: things I guess, you know, you know, like any teenager.

1198
00:56:26,853 --> 00:56:31,813
Speaker 7: I was pretty impressed by Megnan p. I sure wasn't it. Well, yeah,

1199
00:56:31,813 --> 00:56:34,533
Speaker 7: and I certainly haven't managed to own a ferrari just

1200
00:56:34,733 --> 00:56:35,292
Speaker 7: quite yet.

1201
00:56:36,333 --> 00:56:39,293
Speaker 2: But well, to be fair, that belonged to Robin Masters.

1202
00:56:39,293 --> 00:56:40,933
Speaker 2: He was just borrowing it. But yeah, I get your point.

1203
00:56:41,013 --> 00:56:43,373
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's a very yeah, this is a very

1204
00:56:43,413 --> 00:56:46,973
Speaker 7: good point. So I look, I'm going to continue down

1205
00:56:47,013 --> 00:56:50,293
Speaker 7: this journey. My business will only grow and it will

1206
00:56:50,493 --> 00:56:53,853
Speaker 7: it will develop probably into some more specific fields and

1207
00:56:53,893 --> 00:56:56,253
Speaker 7: we're kind of we're looking at that right now about

1208
00:56:56,293 --> 00:56:59,493
Speaker 7: how we can best you know, I guess add some

1209
00:56:59,573 --> 00:57:02,373
Speaker 7: real value to New Zealand business during some really tough

1210
00:57:02,413 --> 00:57:05,172
Speaker 7: times for businesses. So a lot of what we do,

1211
00:57:05,213 --> 00:57:07,573
Speaker 7: we even we even do to reduced fee just to

1212
00:57:07,613 --> 00:57:09,493
Speaker 7: help business owner out right now when they've got a

1213
00:57:09,493 --> 00:57:10,693
Speaker 7: parliament side your business.

1214
00:57:10,733 --> 00:57:12,613
Speaker 3: Really good to chat with you, Dan all the very

1215
00:57:12,613 --> 00:57:15,373
Speaker 3: best part of the TNNG Group, the Neil Group. But

1216
00:57:15,373 --> 00:57:16,693
Speaker 3: we're kenning hear from you. If you've been on the

1217
00:57:16,693 --> 00:57:20,213
Speaker 3: receiving end of a private investigator or you've hired one yourself.

1218
00:57:20,293 --> 00:57:23,013
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1219
00:57:23,053 --> 00:57:24,973
Speaker 3: But coming up next we are going to catch up

1220
00:57:24,973 --> 00:57:28,373
Speaker 3: with Senior Political Correspondent Barry so Be standing by to

1221
00:57:28,413 --> 00:57:31,293
Speaker 3: give us the latest of the kafuffle in Parliament. This

1222
00:57:31,373 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 3: is going to be good. It's twenty six PAS two.

1223
00:57:37,053 --> 00:57:40,413
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred

1224
00:57:40,493 --> 00:57:42,373
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1225
00:57:43,053 --> 00:57:45,573
Speaker 2: We'll get back to the Private Eyes in just a minute.

1226
00:57:45,573 --> 00:57:47,773
Speaker 2: But Tyler, you've got a guest in the studio. We

1227
00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:50,173
Speaker 2: certainly do so. As we mentioned before, it all kicked

1228
00:57:50,173 --> 00:57:52,973
Speaker 2: off in parliament. Are again Chloe Swarbrick ordered to leave

1229
00:57:53,013 --> 00:57:56,693
Speaker 2: the house again as parliament met. Joining us now is

1230
00:57:56,693 --> 00:57:58,493
Speaker 2: Senior Political Correspondent Barry Sofa.

1231
00:57:58,533 --> 00:57:59,453
Speaker 3: Get a Barry.

1232
00:57:59,253 --> 00:58:01,973
Speaker 2: Gooday, how are you lads? Very good? Thanks Barry so

1233
00:58:02,053 --> 00:58:03,733
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the start of this yesterday. What

1234
00:58:03,973 --> 00:58:05,413
Speaker 2: was Chloe Schwobrick's crime.

1235
00:58:05,813 --> 00:58:11,653
Speaker 13: Well, essentially calling the National Party and it's coalition cobbers spineless.

1236
00:58:12,173 --> 00:58:16,213
Speaker 13: And you're not allowed under parliamentary rules to say that

1237
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,493
Speaker 13: MP's lack courage. Now a lot of us might think that,

1238
00:58:20,053 --> 00:58:22,253
Speaker 13: but you're not meant to say it. So there's sort

1239
00:58:22,293 --> 00:58:25,533
Speaker 13: of a parliamentary system that says you've got to keep

1240
00:58:25,533 --> 00:58:29,613
Speaker 13: it a bit above board, although there's been so many

1241
00:58:29,813 --> 00:58:34,853
Speaker 13: offenses in the past, like John Key once called or

1242
00:58:34,893 --> 00:58:39,373
Speaker 13: accused Labor of supporting rapists and I can't remember what

1243
00:58:39,413 --> 00:58:43,613
Speaker 13: the murderers, and nobody raising the objection. The National Party

1244
00:58:43,613 --> 00:58:46,573
Speaker 13: applauded him, and nobody raising any objection. But he came

1245
00:58:46,653 --> 00:58:52,413
Speaker 13: back subsequently and apologized. But so things happen, and DeBie

1246
00:58:52,493 --> 00:58:56,013
Speaker 13: rah we were packer. You'd love to hear just a

1247
00:58:56,053 --> 00:59:00,493
Speaker 13: few minutes ago used the sea word again. Yes, and

1248
00:59:00,533 --> 00:59:04,093
Speaker 13: don't forget no Brook van Velden wasn't thrown out for

1249
00:59:04,213 --> 00:59:08,333
Speaker 13: using that. And Jerry here's Jerry, Jerry Browne talking about

1250
00:59:08,813 --> 00:59:12,733
Speaker 13: standards and the standards in Parliament in recent years have

1251
00:59:12,973 --> 00:59:16,253
Speaker 13: gone through the floor, could you not. I mean you've

1252
00:59:16,293 --> 00:59:19,253
Speaker 13: got people wearing and there's nothing wrong with this attire

1253
00:59:19,653 --> 00:59:25,733
Speaker 13: wearing sneakers and jeans, T shirts, hats, no ties. I

1254
00:59:25,773 --> 00:59:28,773
Speaker 13: mean there was a time that Parliament, because it's based

1255
00:59:28,813 --> 00:59:32,653
Speaker 13: on the Westminster system, had a level of standard, but

1256
00:59:32,733 --> 00:59:35,733
Speaker 13: it's got no standards now. And if you wear Jerry

1257
00:59:35,933 --> 00:59:39,573
Speaker 13: where Jerry Brownly is, it's a really difficult house to control.

1258
00:59:39,773 --> 00:59:41,693
Speaker 2: Yes, So do you think Jerry Browny was right to

1259
00:59:42,173 --> 00:59:44,693
Speaker 2: kick her out yesterday or do you think he overreacted

1260
00:59:44,893 --> 00:59:49,133
Speaker 2: and secondary question, has he lost control of Parliament?

1261
00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:52,613
Speaker 13: I think you know, in the first instance, I thought

1262
00:59:53,093 --> 00:59:57,293
Speaker 13: the offense didn't didn't warrant being thrown out of the

1263
00:59:57,333 --> 01:00:00,213
Speaker 13: house because you know, to call somebody spineless, so what

1264
01:00:01,373 --> 01:00:02,293
Speaker 13: probably called me.

1265
01:00:03,773 --> 01:00:04,253
Speaker 3: Many times?

1266
01:00:04,293 --> 01:00:07,613
Speaker 13: Yeah, so I thought the offense wasn't that bad, but

1267
01:00:08,053 --> 01:00:11,293
Speaker 13: to had insult to injury throwing her up for a week,

1268
01:00:11,653 --> 01:00:15,493
Speaker 13: but it gave her all the publicity that Chloe s

1269
01:00:15,533 --> 01:00:19,253
Speaker 13: brought Swarbrick and Milk from this. She had a question

1270
01:00:19,333 --> 01:00:21,613
Speaker 13: on the order paper today. I think it was question

1271
01:00:21,733 --> 01:00:23,973
Speaker 13: for so it was written down. She was meant to

1272
01:00:24,053 --> 01:00:26,613
Speaker 13: ask it and I thought when I saw it, oh, hello,

1273
01:00:26,853 --> 01:00:29,093
Speaker 13: she's going to come back in and apologize. That's what

1274
01:00:29,173 --> 01:00:31,853
Speaker 13: you could be led to believe the fact that she

1275
01:00:31,933 --> 01:00:34,173
Speaker 13: had a question there or she won't get to ask

1276
01:00:34,213 --> 01:00:36,813
Speaker 13: it now because she's been hiffed down and rightly so

1277
01:00:37,053 --> 01:00:41,173
Speaker 13: she said she refused to withdraw and apologize. She was named,

1278
01:00:41,453 --> 01:00:45,613
Speaker 13: which is a pretty serious offense in parliament. So she's

1279
01:00:45,653 --> 01:00:46,653
Speaker 13: out for the rest of the week.

1280
01:00:46,973 --> 01:00:47,373
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1281
01:00:47,493 --> 01:00:51,373
Speaker 2: Interestingly, though, Winston Peters, although New Zealand First, did vote

1282
01:00:51,533 --> 01:00:56,333
Speaker 2: for her to be named. His has said that he thought,

1283
01:00:56,533 --> 01:00:59,493
Speaker 2: what it.

1284
01:00:58,253 --> 01:01:00,453
Speaker 13: Must have been listening to me last night, actually because

1285
01:01:00,773 --> 01:01:05,253
Speaker 13: I thought the crime didn't warrant the penalty. And essentially

1286
01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:07,613
Speaker 13: that's what Winston said when he got up today. And

1287
01:01:07,613 --> 01:01:09,173
Speaker 13: it was quite a courage for him to do so.

1288
01:01:09,293 --> 01:01:12,453
Speaker 13: And of course he's the grandfather of the house. Nobody's

1289
01:01:12,533 --> 01:01:16,253
Speaker 13: been there longer than him, so he felt that, look,

1290
01:01:16,293 --> 01:01:19,253
Speaker 13: he had some currency. He got up, He looked at

1291
01:01:19,253 --> 01:01:21,693
Speaker 13: the speaker in the eye and said, I just think

1292
01:01:21,813 --> 01:01:24,933
Speaker 13: it was an over the top sentence, essentially, and I

1293
01:01:24,973 --> 01:01:25,653
Speaker 13: think it was too.

1294
01:01:26,053 --> 01:01:31,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what happens now for Chloe, Well, she'll be.

1295
01:01:31,133 --> 01:01:33,613
Speaker 13: Back next week, so she's been given a week off.

1296
01:01:33,613 --> 01:01:35,093
Speaker 13: I wouldn't mind being given a week off.

1297
01:01:35,173 --> 01:01:37,133
Speaker 3: Lead is that without pay? She said?

1298
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Speaker 13: I'm not sure whether the name there will be a procedure.

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Speaker 13: I would imagine if you are named, they may docu pay,

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Speaker 13: so she may find herself. I haven't checked that, but

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Speaker 13: you know, being named is a pretty serious offense. And

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Speaker 13: if she then refused to leave, what happens then is

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Speaker 13: the sergeant at arm yes, which is normally an old

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Speaker 13: geezer on a zimmer frame, wheels it into the house

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Speaker 13: and is meant to clutch the member and take her

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Speaker 13: out of the house.

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Speaker 2: What is that what she would like to see happen?

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is grand standing from her or

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Speaker 2: a legitimate protest?

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Speaker 13: Totally grandstanding? I mean, you know, she had a passionate

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Speaker 13: view on what's going on in Gaza and what the

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Speaker 13: argument was all about. She had a bill that was

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Speaker 13: rejected in Parliament that was to impose sanctions on Israel,

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Speaker 13: and she said would the government support this if they

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Speaker 13: had you know, the courage or the spine, they would

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Speaker 13: support this. Coming back into the house and that's where

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Speaker 13: where she got into trouble. So she was extrapolating further

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Speaker 13: on what the debate was all about yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So when she comes back to Parliament, is Jerry going

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Speaker 3: to ask her to apologize again? Or is that done?

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Speaker 13: It's done, done and dusted.

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Speaker 2: Is this the is this the most difficult time? You know,

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Speaker 2: it seems like for Jerry Brownlee he's had a bit

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Speaker 2: of a rough time as a speaker or you know,

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Speaker 2: in your in your history as this typical of peaks

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Speaker 2: and troughs ofous.

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Speaker 13: Parliaments, Peaks and troughs in parliament. But you know, I

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Speaker 13: think Jerry. I think he's really finding it really SEMs

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Speaker 13: to be because you know, if it was me in

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Speaker 13: the speaker's cheer, I'd be setting up throwing people out,

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Speaker 13: will he? But Jerry is very generous and says I

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Speaker 13: have another go at asking the question and no room

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Speaker 13: packing from the Maori Party today. I mean she's stood

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Speaker 13: up yesterday and she made points of order, so she

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Speaker 13: clearly doesn't understand the system in parliament. They were nothing

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Speaker 13: like points of order. They've got to be you know,

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Speaker 13: there's a form to do it in and you can't

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Speaker 13: get up and protest the way she does. So look,

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Speaker 13: I think Gerry's got the toughest job in that place

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Speaker 13: at the moment because it's so unruly. And to bring

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Speaker 13: them back, I think the Business Committee at Parliament should

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Speaker 13: be meeting and they should be reintroducing some standards to

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Speaker 13: make it the House of Representatives of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is just the new era, the

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Speaker 2: social media area, the TikTok era, where Parliament is an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to get some content to shove out on to

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Speaker 2: your followers, to rustle up some interest for your minor party.

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Speaker 13: That's exactly what Chloe Swarburg will be doing now. And

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Speaker 13: the thing is that she's refused to apologize in the past,

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Speaker 13: so it's not new for her. It's a grandstanding exercise

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Speaker 13: by her, although in fairness to her, I don't think

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Speaker 13: she would have expected to have been thrown out in

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Speaker 13: the first place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Perry, fascinating times. Is always nice to catch up.

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Speaker 3: We'll see again soon, That is our senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper. Our headlines are coming up. Then when we

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Speaker 3: come back, we've got plenty of stories to get into

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Speaker 3: about private investigators. I love to hear your thoughts. One

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighties. The number to call.

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Speaker 14: Us talk said be headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 14: no trouble worth a Blue Bubble Green's co leader Chloe

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Speaker 14: Swarbrick has been boosted from Parliament to gain today and

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Speaker 14: MPs have agreed to name her. Swawbrick didn't apologize for

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Speaker 14: comments made yesterday after she said New Zealand can stand

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Speaker 14: on the right side of her history on Gaza if

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Speaker 14: we find six of sixty eight government MPs with a

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Speaker 14: sp speaker. Jerry Brownlee says he won't allow those types

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Speaker 14: of disrespectful comments.

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Speaker 2: I write Chloe Strawbrick to withdrawn apologize for an offensive

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Speaker 2: comment made in the House yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I won't be doing that, Missus Speaker.

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Speaker 2: Then the member will leave the House.

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Speaker 14: Union Ized secondary school teachers will strike all day next

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Speaker 14: Wednesday over the government's latest collective agreement offer of a

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Speaker 14: one percent pay increase. A friend of KIWI woman Sarah Shaw,

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Speaker 14: who's being held in a Texas immigration center, says she's

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Speaker 14: awaiting an update later today. Viral US burger brand Mister

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Speaker 14: Beast has confirmed it will launch in Auckland late this month,

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Speaker 14: offering a takeaway only option. Wasn't a big fan of

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Speaker 14: school meet the team running four businesses. See the story

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Speaker 14: at ends at Harald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and

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Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody, and we're going back to

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Speaker 3: our discussion about private investigators.

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Speaker 2: Chris tell Ray, we'll be here afterfore with it full

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Speaker 2: full coverage of this current situation, Parlat with Chloe Schwarbrock.

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Speaker 3: Plenty more to come on that, absolutely, but we've had

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Speaker 3: so many texts come through on the old private investigator

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Speaker 3: and oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So we've got this private investigator that quit her

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Speaker 2: job at fifty to become a private investigator. She's now

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Speaker 2: making one hundred and ninety two dollars an hour and

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Speaker 2: says it's an absolutely exciting job. Cheating partners are a

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Speaker 2: big part of her business. Which has talked to Dan

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Speaker 2: before and he said cheating wasn't a big part of

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Speaker 2: his business. This Texas says, will not give my name.

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Speaker 2: I hired a private investigator a number of years ago.

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Speaker 2: He helped me rumble my ahole x husband for cheating

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Speaker 2: on this on me with this bitc h from his work,

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Speaker 2: come free and fair enough to We are now together.

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Speaker 2: I joined his firm. We now work together mainly cheating.

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Speaker 2: We make good money, usually doing poorly. Now, though that's interesting,

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Speaker 2: It sounds like that l TV show Heart to Heart together.

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Speaker 3: So she got together with the PI. I mean sound

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Speaker 3: like magnum p I.

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Speaker 2: There mustn't be a code in the in the PI

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Speaker 2: the private investigator that you don't get with your client,

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Speaker 2: honestly not judging by Femfotel movies.

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Speaker 3: Ten eight is a number to call.

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Speaker 2: B Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hello, just a Google Sorry for you guys, there.

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Speaker 4: Was a head of a Texas and good content coming up.

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Speaker 2: The stuff, you know, it sounded more like the blurb

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Speaker 2: for a movie than.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what, private investigators Now there's a

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Speaker 4: career move. I think I'd like to do that job

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Speaker 4: full time. Actually, so I do a little bit of

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Speaker 4: that in my own job, which is mainly focused on

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Speaker 4: employment empathy, but I am also required to serve documents,

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Speaker 4: and I am also required by various barristers to investigate

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Speaker 4: some things for them, and so sometimes I have to

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Speaker 4: look at documents and you have to be very careful

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Speaker 4: because sometimes when you're looking at it evidence, if it's

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Speaker 4: something that's going to be presented for court, you have

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Speaker 4: to be really careful. People will present you with a

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Speaker 4: problem normally when you're investigating, and you have to remember

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Speaker 4: that you've got to stay open because people will present

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Speaker 4: the problem from their own point of view, and as

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Speaker 4: a lot of investigators will understand, people don't tell you everything.

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Speaker 4: You find other things out later, and so when you're

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Speaker 4: when you're putting all these things together and you're investigating,

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Speaker 4: and depending what method you're using, you've got to be

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Speaker 4: careful about what evidence you come up with and then

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Speaker 4: how how that is going to be used. So I

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Speaker 4: think prime investigators that are really switched on people. It's

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Speaker 4: not an easy job. There's been a lot of hours

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Speaker 4: doing different stuff, and I really admire them. I've worked,

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Speaker 4: I've worked alongside a couple of them, and they're great people.

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Speaker 2: So is your investigation more desk based and less pounding

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Speaker 2: that pounding the pavement be?

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Speaker 4: I know, I have been outside, and I've been outside

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Speaker 4: premises before documents are served too. I might have scope

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Speaker 4: for a premises two nights in a road to check

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01:09:16,572 --> 01:09:18,932
Speaker 4: that that's the correct time to probably go and serve

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Speaker 4: something and in case they're not home during the day

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Speaker 4: or whatever. Other times, There've been other times I've had

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Speaker 4: other people in the car who were helping to investigate,

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Speaker 4: but I'm the lead, and I might One time I

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Speaker 4: had to stay outside a place which was supposedly a

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Speaker 4: non registered nightclub I guess you'd call it in bar,

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Speaker 4: and it had no sign of any entry door or

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Speaker 4: exit door. And then one night I'd been there for

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Speaker 4: two hours and then I just happened to look at

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Speaker 4: the door again and somebody came out, put their coach

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Speaker 4: on and didn't even look like a door and a

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Speaker 4: delivery went in there and I'd realized, okay, so that

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Speaker 4: was good. But you spend a lot of time watching

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Speaker 4: and you spend a lot of time reading things as well,

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Speaker 4: but you have to check stuff over and over again. Sometimes.

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Speaker 3: What a fascinating job. So is it a talking about

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Speaker 3: that process serving? And we've all seen the movies where

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Speaker 3: it happens in America and you've got to deliver it

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Speaker 3: straight to the person's face because if you try and

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Speaker 3: send it via mail, they can ignore it all the

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Speaker 3: rest of it and it's some sort of legislation involved.

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Speaker 3: There are we the same as it. You have to

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Speaker 3: physically hand it to the person that's been served, or

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Speaker 3: else they can afford it.

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Speaker 4: Dyland. Yes, in New Zealand, you have to physically have

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Speaker 4: it served. If you want to serve it some other

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Speaker 4: ways such as through email if you have an email address,

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Speaker 4: you might have a social media account or that another

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Speaker 4: way of direct communication. The party that needs it serve

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Speaker 4: needs to go to the court and get what the

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Speaker 4: court is called substitute of service. You have to actually apply.

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Speaker 4: You can't just use the person's email. You have to

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Speaker 4: actually apply to have a substitute of service instead of

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Speaker 4: face to face service. You have to actually apply and

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Speaker 4: have a substitute of service, and that does happen sometimes

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Speaker 4: We've had it happen here. Sometimes we can't get hold

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Speaker 4: of somebody because they're overseas, but they might actually have

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Speaker 4: an email address, so a substitute of service will be

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Speaker 4: FI and a judge mail may not allow that. And

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Speaker 4: if they do great yet to them by they get

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Speaker 4: sept them by email or by their social media account.

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Speaker 4: So there are ways around it instead of face to face.

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Speaker 4: But I've never had any problems really. One one guy

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Speaker 4: I served was probably three times my height, maybe twice

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Speaker 4: as fide and I was. He was quite a large guy,

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Speaker 4: but he took it. He took it very well.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 4: I think when you're doing that kind of thing, your

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Speaker 4: attitude in terms of serving people is very important. So

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Speaker 4: you know, if you go on all aggressive and agitative,

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Speaker 4: that's what you're going to get back. So you know,

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Speaker 4: you just need to be your approach needs to be

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Speaker 4: the right balance.

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Speaker 2: I'd say, now, b when you find a door that

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Speaker 2: wasn't there, or when you find something that someone's admitted,

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Speaker 2: you know, admitted from their evidence, and you find a

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Speaker 2: little mystery is there. Is it a buzz to that

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Speaker 2: that must be exciting when you when you realize that

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Speaker 2: someone's left something out that's important to the case and

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Speaker 2: you have found it.

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Speaker 4: So sometimes it's God and sometimes it's bad. I had

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Speaker 4: one client I was working with with the law firm,

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Speaker 4: and it was an employment case and the labor inspector

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Speaker 4: it was inspecting them and we didn't realize that this

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Speaker 4: was their second or third time and that actually been

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01:12:26,732 --> 01:12:30,973
Speaker 4: done years ago and we didn't that didn't come to

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01:12:31,093 --> 01:12:34,572
Speaker 4: light until a little bit later because we hadn't gone

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01:12:34,893 --> 01:12:37,412
Speaker 4: as far back as we needed to know that they

1514
01:12:37,412 --> 01:12:40,213
Speaker 4: were already on the inspector It's naughty list, and they

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01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:42,053
Speaker 4: do have a naughty list, so to speak of here.

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01:12:42,253 --> 01:12:45,412
Speaker 4: So that was in those cases, you just got to

1517
01:12:45,412 --> 01:12:47,852
Speaker 4: go back to the party and say, look, we need

1518
01:12:47,893 --> 01:12:50,253
Speaker 4: to have a conversation about this, and we understand this.

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01:12:50,692 --> 01:12:51,772
Speaker 16: You just talked to him.

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01:12:51,812 --> 01:12:53,612
Speaker 3: I've been fascinating to chat with you. Thank you very

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01:12:53,692 --> 01:12:55,532
Speaker 3: much for giving us abuzz. One hundred and eighty ten

1522
01:12:55,572 --> 01:12:57,652
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call Love to hear your thoughts.

1523
01:12:57,692 --> 01:12:59,852
Speaker 3: If you've used a PI before, you've been on the

1524
01:12:59,893 --> 01:13:02,452
Speaker 3: receiving end, or you are a PI. Can you get

1525
01:13:02,492 --> 01:13:03,012
Speaker 3: your stories?

1526
01:13:03,093 --> 01:13:05,492
Speaker 2: I'm loving these secret lives of pis. We've got Dave

1527
01:13:05,612 --> 01:13:08,372
Speaker 2: up next to private investigator.

1528
01:13:09,372 --> 01:13:12,932
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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01:13:12,933 --> 01:13:15,452
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams

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01:13:15,612 --> 01:13:16,812
Speaker 1: Afternoons News.

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01:13:16,772 --> 01:13:18,492
Speaker 3: Dogsb SO eleven to three.

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01:13:18,612 --> 01:13:21,652
Speaker 2: We're talking about private investigation as a profession. After Ali

1533
01:13:21,812 --> 01:13:24,612
Speaker 2: Marsh became an investigator at fifty. She's making one hundred

1534
01:13:24,612 --> 01:13:27,173
Speaker 2: and ninety two dollars an hour and she loves it.

1535
01:13:27,253 --> 01:13:29,772
Speaker 2: She's pretending to be a dog walker, she's joining book

1536
01:13:29,812 --> 01:13:34,412
Speaker 2: clubs to investigate people, she's surveilling and she's living her

1537
01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:37,173
Speaker 2: best life. She thinks it's fantastic. How do you get

1538
01:13:37,213 --> 01:13:41,053
Speaker 2: into the courses, says this text, Well from what I

1539
01:13:41,173 --> 01:13:44,133
Speaker 2: can garner. To become a licensed private investigator in New Zealand,

1540
01:13:44,133 --> 01:13:46,052
Speaker 2: you need to apply for a license with the Private

1541
01:13:46,093 --> 01:13:51,372
Speaker 2: Security Personal Personnel Licensing Authority the psp LA, which is

1542
01:13:51,452 --> 01:13:53,572
Speaker 2: part of the Ministry of Justice. You'll need to demonstrate

1543
01:13:53,652 --> 01:13:57,053
Speaker 2: relevant investigative experience, either through prior work experience or by

1544
01:13:57,093 --> 01:14:00,932
Speaker 2: completing approved training programs. Membership in the New Zealand Institute

1545
01:14:00,933 --> 01:14:04,372
Speaker 2: of Private Investigators n z IPI can also be helpful

1546
01:14:04,612 --> 01:14:07,372
Speaker 2: as they provide support and resources for private investigators.

1547
01:14:07,452 --> 01:14:09,412
Speaker 3: That is good news. Don't want too many cowboys out

1548
01:14:09,412 --> 01:14:11,093
Speaker 3: there doing PI work, Dave.

1549
01:14:12,973 --> 01:14:14,333
Speaker 2: You're a cowboy, are you, Dave?

1550
01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:19,532
Speaker 7: Oh no, no, no no. We're an Auckland based fan

1551
01:14:19,612 --> 01:14:23,253
Speaker 7: that mostly do criminal defense with so a little bit

1552
01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:24,852
Speaker 7: different to your previous callers.

1553
01:14:25,812 --> 01:14:28,532
Speaker 2: So what does you just explain to us what criminal

1554
01:14:28,612 --> 01:14:29,333
Speaker 2: defense work is.

1555
01:14:30,532 --> 01:14:33,612
Speaker 7: So somebody gets charged by the police or customs or

1556
01:14:33,652 --> 01:14:37,213
Speaker 7: whoever with a criminal offense, they say that they either

1557
01:14:37,293 --> 01:14:40,333
Speaker 7: they didn't do it or that there's actually more evidence

1558
01:14:40,372 --> 01:14:42,612
Speaker 7: to be gathered. So the lawyer will then engage a

1559
01:14:42,652 --> 01:14:45,732
Speaker 7: PI like us to go and fill those gaps and

1560
01:14:45,812 --> 01:14:52,293
Speaker 7: find those witnesses and basically complete the investigation because unfortunately

1561
01:14:52,532 --> 01:14:58,412
Speaker 7: resourcing restricts a lot of investigation by government agencies. They

1562
01:14:58,492 --> 01:15:01,492
Speaker 7: just don't have the resource to do the full job,

1563
01:15:02,893 --> 01:15:06,692
Speaker 7: and so unfortunately, sometimes the wrong people are charged or

1564
01:15:06,732 --> 01:15:10,093
Speaker 7: they are charged incorrectly and there's actually more stuff.

1565
01:15:09,812 --> 01:15:10,333
Speaker 16: To be looked at.

1566
01:15:11,293 --> 01:15:13,812
Speaker 2: So who's paying you for this work, Dave?

1567
01:15:15,093 --> 01:15:18,053
Speaker 7: Sometimes it's private. If the person has the capability, they

1568
01:15:18,333 --> 01:15:21,852
Speaker 7: pay their lawyer and they pay the PI privately or

1569
01:15:21,933 --> 01:15:23,213
Speaker 7: it's done through legal aid.

1570
01:15:24,333 --> 01:15:28,333
Speaker 2: And so are you looking for alibis, proving alibi's evidence

1571
01:15:28,412 --> 01:15:31,492
Speaker 2: of where people are you know, that kind of stuff.

1572
01:15:31,532 --> 01:15:32,293
Speaker 2: Is that what you're looking for?

1573
01:15:33,173 --> 01:15:38,053
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, alibis or interviewing other people who

1574
01:15:38,093 --> 01:15:40,412
Speaker 7: were at the scene. When something's happened. You say, it's

1575
01:15:40,452 --> 01:15:44,572
Speaker 7: a street fight and somebody's been seriously hurt, somebody gets

1576
01:15:44,612 --> 01:15:48,133
Speaker 7: arrested and charged. There might be twenty people there that

1577
01:15:48,253 --> 01:15:50,732
Speaker 7: have seen it happen. There might be four or five

1578
01:15:50,812 --> 01:15:54,812
Speaker 7: of them that actually got spoken to. So inevitably there's

1579
01:15:54,853 --> 01:15:57,812
Speaker 7: other people have seen what's happened in the lead up

1580
01:15:58,013 --> 01:16:01,652
Speaker 7: the actual incident and afterwards who actually have something valuable

1581
01:16:01,692 --> 01:16:05,492
Speaker 7: to offer that may completely change the ball game and say, well,

1582
01:16:05,532 --> 01:16:07,612
Speaker 7: actually it wasn't that guy that did it, it was

1583
01:16:07,652 --> 01:16:11,293
Speaker 7: the other guy, or actually it was provoked, or there

1584
01:16:11,412 --> 01:16:14,492
Speaker 7: wasn't a weapon involved, or things that are material to

1585
01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:17,293
Speaker 7: the case. It can actually make a big difference to somebody.

1586
01:16:17,732 --> 01:16:19,732
Speaker 2: Dave, how did you get into it, what training did

1587
01:16:19,812 --> 01:16:21,412
Speaker 2: you do to get into it, and how long have

1588
01:16:21,452 --> 01:16:22,173
Speaker 2: you been in the business.

1589
01:16:23,013 --> 01:16:25,652
Speaker 7: I've been in the business for over three three and

1590
01:16:25,652 --> 01:16:28,213
Speaker 7: a half years now and either twenty seven years in

1591
01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:29,013
Speaker 7: the police prior to.

1592
01:16:29,053 --> 01:16:31,293
Speaker 2: That, a right, and so that's once you've had that

1593
01:16:31,372 --> 01:16:34,852
Speaker 2: kind of investigative work in the police, that lines you

1594
01:16:35,013 --> 01:16:39,013
Speaker 2: up pretty well to get your private security personnel Licensing

1595
01:16:39,253 --> 01:16:44,372
Speaker 2: Authority card or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, your license.

1596
01:16:44,853 --> 01:16:47,492
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm going back to the cowboys question.

1597
01:16:47,652 --> 01:16:51,173
Speaker 7: You definitely don't want cowboys doing this job. There's too

1598
01:16:51,253 --> 01:16:53,572
Speaker 7: much at stake for people, So you have to have

1599
01:16:53,772 --> 01:16:58,092
Speaker 7: suitably qualified and trained people, and obviously being well trained

1600
01:16:58,133 --> 01:17:00,692
Speaker 7: in the police as kind of your golden ticket.

1601
01:17:01,053 --> 01:17:03,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm giving that. If I ever need a Pia Dave,

1602
01:17:03,812 --> 01:17:05,333
Speaker 3: I'll be coming to you. You sound like a very

1603
01:17:05,372 --> 01:17:07,452
Speaker 3: good one. We're going to play some messages, but Mack

1604
01:17:07,532 --> 01:17:10,652
Speaker 3: very shortly. It is even to three, the issues that

1605
01:17:10,772 --> 01:17:13,053
Speaker 3: affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

1606
01:17:13,333 --> 01:17:19,573
Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB. News TALKSB.

1607
01:17:19,692 --> 01:17:22,253
Speaker 3: It is five to three. It's a good text. Hey guys,

1608
01:17:22,293 --> 01:17:24,532
Speaker 3: I hired a second private investigator to spy on the

1609
01:17:24,572 --> 01:17:27,652
Speaker 3: first private investigator. I suspect that he wasn't doing his

1610
01:17:27,772 --> 01:17:29,892
Speaker 3: job properly. Turns out he was doing his job properly,

1611
01:17:30,053 --> 01:17:30,732
Speaker 3: money well spent.

1612
01:17:33,053 --> 01:17:36,892
Speaker 2: It actually sounds like a good job. You always think

1613
01:17:36,973 --> 01:17:39,133
Speaker 2: that you'll hear that, you know, it's not like it

1614
01:17:39,253 --> 01:17:41,253
Speaker 2: is in the movies. But every private investigator we'll talk

1615
01:17:41,253 --> 01:17:43,532
Speaker 2: about see it. It is a pretty good job. But

1616
01:17:43,772 --> 01:17:47,093
Speaker 2: it is like real estate. So sometimes there's a lot

1617
01:17:47,133 --> 01:17:48,652
Speaker 2: of people in the business and sometimes it's not.

1618
01:17:49,253 --> 01:17:50,372
Speaker 3: Business is booming at the moment.

1619
01:17:50,893 --> 01:17:52,852
Speaker 2: I know a couple. I know a couple of private instigators,

1620
01:17:52,853 --> 01:17:55,293
Speaker 2: but they're all police officers, right, they've got the skills.

1621
01:17:55,692 --> 01:17:56,932
Speaker 3: They charge a pretty penny.

1622
01:17:57,253 --> 01:17:59,572
Speaker 2: Ah, I don't know how many pennies they charge. One

1623
01:17:59,572 --> 01:18:00,452
Speaker 2: of them drives a Porsche.

1624
01:18:01,293 --> 01:18:02,133
Speaker 3: Know, they're doing pretty well.

1625
01:18:02,213 --> 01:18:04,253
Speaker 2: And there's someone here that says they know a private

1626
01:18:04,293 --> 01:18:07,572
Speaker 2: investigator that drives the McLaren wo So that's some sort

1627
01:18:07,612 --> 01:18:09,492
Speaker 2: of magnum p I type stuff, isn't.

1628
01:18:09,333 --> 01:18:11,973
Speaker 3: It's good business for some right, good discussion, Thank you

1629
01:18:12,173 --> 01:18:14,812
Speaker 3: very much. Coming up after three o'clock, let's have a

1630
01:18:14,893 --> 01:18:17,532
Speaker 3: chat about screaming kids. It's all kicked off in the

1631
01:18:17,612 --> 01:18:21,253
Speaker 3: tennis Emma radicanuh got very upset about a screaming child

1632
01:18:21,732 --> 01:18:23,692
Speaker 3: in the crowds, told the umpire to get rid of

1633
01:18:23,732 --> 01:18:26,133
Speaker 3: the child, and the umpire says, it's a child for

1634
01:18:26,253 --> 01:18:28,532
Speaker 3: goodness sake, So this is going to be a great chat.

1635
01:18:28,812 --> 01:18:30,732
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1636
01:18:30,732 --> 01:18:33,492
Speaker 3: to chat. Nine two nine two is the text number.

1637
01:18:33,572 --> 01:18:34,892
Speaker 3: New Sport and Weather on its way.

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01:18:38,853 --> 01:18:42,612
Speaker 1: You're on new home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's

1639
01:18:42,772 --> 01:18:47,253
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

1640
01:18:47,933 --> 01:18:50,932
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. It is seven past three. Welcome back

1641
01:18:51,053 --> 01:18:55,492
Speaker 3: into the program. So Emma RADICANU tennis Superstar. She is

1642
01:18:55,572 --> 01:18:58,852
Speaker 3: getting some massive heat for calling for a crying child

1643
01:18:58,933 --> 01:19:01,173
Speaker 3: to be ejected from the stadium in her battle with

1644
01:19:01,253 --> 01:19:05,692
Speaker 3: world number one Arena Saberlinka. So crime is from a

1645
01:19:05,853 --> 01:19:08,053
Speaker 3: child in the stands, talk her focus away, causing her

1646
01:19:08,093 --> 01:19:10,893
Speaker 3: top the service section and then have a chat to

1647
01:19:10,973 --> 01:19:11,893
Speaker 3: the umpire.

1648
01:19:12,293 --> 01:19:13,412
Speaker 2: Should we listen to the audio?

1649
01:19:13,652 --> 01:19:18,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a child. Do you want me to send

1650
01:19:18,893 --> 01:19:28,892
Speaker 3: the child out of the stadium? So it's a child?

1651
01:19:28,973 --> 01:19:30,692
Speaker 3: Do you want me to reject it from the stadium?

1652
01:19:30,732 --> 01:19:32,132
Speaker 3: And obviously you can't.

1653
01:19:32,013 --> 01:19:34,412
Speaker 2: See with the audio, but she's she makes it you,

1654
01:19:34,452 --> 01:19:36,692
Speaker 2: so of course you throw the child out of the

1655
01:19:36,772 --> 01:19:39,732
Speaker 2: stadium so I can play my very important game. Of tennis.

1656
01:19:40,173 --> 01:19:45,013
Speaker 2: Absolutely remove the innocent child, because what I do here

1657
01:19:45,532 --> 01:19:50,253
Speaker 2: is so very important to the fabric of humanity. I mean,

1658
01:19:50,372 --> 01:19:54,093
Speaker 2: tennis players, it's the most precious people in the entire world.

1659
01:19:54,933 --> 01:19:57,973
Speaker 2: But I think this is symptomatic of how would I

1660
01:19:58,053 --> 01:20:01,852
Speaker 2: put this, I think how low society is sunk that

1661
01:20:02,412 --> 01:20:04,612
Speaker 2: the way we treat children, that we can't handle having

1662
01:20:04,652 --> 01:20:07,412
Speaker 2: a screaming child around. I mean, do we realize that

1663
01:20:08,053 --> 01:20:12,012
Speaker 2: we will all children once and for the vast majority

1664
01:20:12,053 --> 01:20:15,293
Speaker 2: of evolution, children are running around screaming and yelling and

1665
01:20:15,412 --> 01:20:17,973
Speaker 2: being children around us, and that was just fine. And

1666
01:20:18,053 --> 01:20:20,093
Speaker 2: at one point we got so precious. We can't even

1667
01:20:20,133 --> 01:20:23,972
Speaker 2: handle a toddler in a cafe. We can't even handle

1668
01:20:24,013 --> 01:20:26,013
Speaker 2: a bit of a noise in a tennis match, and

1669
01:20:26,093 --> 01:20:30,652
Speaker 2: you actually shrug your shoulders that, of course you should

1670
01:20:30,652 --> 01:20:33,812
Speaker 2: throw the child out. I just think, I think, look,

1671
01:20:34,933 --> 01:20:38,452
Speaker 2: I think children on planes, absolutely fine, We've got it.

1672
01:20:38,572 --> 01:20:40,532
Speaker 2: You know, just because you're a little human doesn't mean

1673
01:20:40,572 --> 01:20:43,132
Speaker 2: you can't go from one place to another. Children in cafes,

1674
01:20:43,213 --> 01:20:45,932
Speaker 2: absolutely fine. I don't care how much noise you make.

1675
01:20:46,612 --> 01:20:49,213
Speaker 2: That's you know, are we saying that little people aren't

1676
01:20:49,253 --> 01:20:52,932
Speaker 2: allud in cafes? I'm saying, and I also say, tennis

1677
01:20:53,013 --> 01:20:55,812
Speaker 2: stop being so goddamn precious. Every other sport in the

1678
01:20:56,013 --> 01:21:00,093
Speaker 2: world except for tennis and golf allow you to get

1679
01:21:00,173 --> 01:21:01,652
Speaker 2: noisy and snooker.

1680
01:21:01,372 --> 01:21:04,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt they are sensitive players. Tennis absolutely is

1681
01:21:04,253 --> 01:21:06,572
Speaker 3: the child stars syndrome for a lot of them. But

1682
01:21:06,973 --> 01:21:09,412
Speaker 3: I am with Emma Retaka. When you've got a kid

1683
01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:12,852
Speaker 3: screaming for ten minutes, when you're facing the number one

1684
01:21:12,893 --> 01:21:15,412
Speaker 3: in the world and you're close to beating her, and

1685
01:21:15,652 --> 01:21:17,852
Speaker 3: you could hear the crowd say yes, yes, get this

1686
01:21:17,973 --> 01:21:19,412
Speaker 3: kid out of here. So it was a bit of

1687
01:21:19,452 --> 01:21:23,652
Speaker 3: mob mentality. But on a plane is different. You've got

1688
01:21:23,692 --> 01:21:27,013
Speaker 3: nowhere to go, so absolutely child's Of course, children are

1689
01:21:27,013 --> 01:21:28,732
Speaker 3: all out on planes and if they cry, then you've

1690
01:21:28,732 --> 01:21:30,852
Speaker 3: got a grin and beartt that's what children do. But

1691
01:21:30,973 --> 01:21:33,013
Speaker 3: if a cat is screaming at a cafe for ten

1692
01:21:33,053 --> 01:21:35,173
Speaker 3: minutes straight, isn't it up to the parent to say,

1693
01:21:35,732 --> 01:21:37,933
Speaker 3: come on, come on to me, we going, you're not

1694
01:21:38,013 --> 01:21:39,333
Speaker 3: behaving yourself, You're out of here.

1695
01:21:39,532 --> 01:21:43,173
Speaker 2: You can't handle it. So as as a grown adult

1696
01:21:43,253 --> 01:21:46,412
Speaker 2: you can't handle the sound of a small child, what's

1697
01:21:46,452 --> 01:21:47,612
Speaker 2: wrong with you? Hard en up?

1698
01:21:47,692 --> 01:21:50,173
Speaker 3: Well, what if I start yelling. Why does a child

1699
01:21:50,213 --> 01:21:52,013
Speaker 3: get to scream and yell and have a tantrum? But

1700
01:21:52,093 --> 01:21:53,692
Speaker 3: I can't. If I want to have a tantrum in

1701
01:21:53,692 --> 01:21:55,732
Speaker 3: the middle of a cafe and people look at me

1702
01:21:55,772 --> 01:21:57,412
Speaker 3: and say, what the hell is this guy doing? Get

1703
01:21:57,452 --> 01:21:59,012
Speaker 3: them out of here. They'll call the police. You can't

1704
01:21:59,053 --> 01:21:59,972
Speaker 3: call the police on a child.

1705
01:22:00,053 --> 01:22:03,213
Speaker 2: But people talk loudly and laugh at cafes. It get

1706
01:22:03,253 --> 01:22:05,932
Speaker 2: them out in But also I think we should protect

1707
01:22:05,973 --> 01:22:08,293
Speaker 2: our children and encourage and our children, have them around

1708
01:22:08,452 --> 01:22:10,572
Speaker 2: and celebrate our children. And yes they don't know all

1709
01:22:10,572 --> 01:22:13,652
Speaker 2: the rules of adults, but that that's fine. They'll get

1710
01:22:13,732 --> 01:22:16,093
Speaker 2: beaten down by society soon enough. I think it's the

1711
01:22:16,093 --> 01:22:21,812
Speaker 2: difference between humanists and extinctionists. Extinctionists, so humanists like me

1712
01:22:22,093 --> 01:22:25,172
Speaker 2: believe in the value, dignity, and potential of all human beings.

1713
01:22:25,452 --> 01:22:30,052
Speaker 2: We generally support improving human welfare through reason, science, and compassion.

1714
01:22:30,093 --> 01:22:34,372
Speaker 2: We're optimistic about humanity's future, whereas the extinctionists like you, Tyler,

1715
01:22:34,692 --> 01:22:37,972
Speaker 2: are anti human. You believe that human humanity's long term

1716
01:22:38,013 --> 01:22:40,532
Speaker 2: survival is not desirable and that humans should go extinct.

1717
01:22:40,612 --> 01:22:43,772
Speaker 2: That's basically what you're believing here. If you think that

1718
01:22:43,973 --> 01:22:46,412
Speaker 2: children shouldn't be around you while you're eating. Then you

1719
01:22:46,612 --> 01:22:50,052
Speaker 2: basically think that you're the final generation.

1720
01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:51,973
Speaker 3: We've had a good run. Un let's end on a

1721
01:22:52,053 --> 01:22:53,333
Speaker 3: bang oh one hundred.

1722
01:22:54,532 --> 01:22:56,892
Speaker 2: Tony agrees with you, though, the self entitled witch should

1723
01:22:56,933 --> 01:22:59,932
Speaker 2: have had the good grace and manners to remove her

1724
01:23:00,013 --> 01:23:03,412
Speaker 2: misgrant bratt before needing to be asked which self entitled

1725
01:23:03,452 --> 01:23:07,492
Speaker 2: which as you are you talking about, Emma or the

1726
01:23:07,572 --> 01:23:09,452
Speaker 2: self entitle witch should have had the good grace and

1727
01:23:09,532 --> 01:23:13,372
Speaker 2: manas to remove her miscreant bratt before needing to be asked. No,

1728
01:23:13,532 --> 01:23:16,612
Speaker 2: I mean, so you don't know that we've got no

1729
01:23:16,732 --> 01:23:20,093
Speaker 2: idea of the sex of the person with the child. Yeah,

1730
01:23:20,093 --> 01:23:20,972
Speaker 2: we don't know if they.

1731
01:23:20,893 --> 01:23:21,333
Speaker 12: Are a.

1732
01:23:22,812 --> 01:23:27,772
Speaker 2: Witch or not. Maybe they were a warlock, don't. We

1733
01:23:27,893 --> 01:23:30,372
Speaker 2: don't know. But yeah, so you fiery text. So there

1734
01:23:30,372 --> 01:23:32,412
Speaker 2: you go, so that you and Tony are on the

1735
01:23:32,452 --> 01:23:34,013
Speaker 2: same page with that, and this.

1736
01:23:34,093 --> 01:23:37,612
Speaker 3: Text actually agrees with you. Matt, Your bang on the

1737
01:23:37,732 --> 01:23:42,452
Speaker 3: demonization of children is absolutely ridiculous. Do those people think

1738
01:23:42,452 --> 01:23:44,892
Speaker 3: they win a child themselves at some stage? Grow up?

1739
01:23:45,133 --> 01:23:46,253
Speaker 3: Children are the future?

1740
01:23:46,732 --> 01:23:51,333
Speaker 2: They see? That person is actually you know, articulated in

1741
01:23:51,372 --> 01:23:53,372
Speaker 2: a far better way than I have and far more succinctly,

1742
01:23:53,452 --> 01:23:55,412
Speaker 2: and good on you think you know exactly the.

1743
01:23:55,492 --> 01:23:57,173
Speaker 3: Phone lines have led up. If you can't get through,

1744
01:23:57,253 --> 01:24:00,052
Speaker 3: keep trying. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty screaming

1745
01:24:00,173 --> 01:24:03,572
Speaker 3: children a okay? Or should they have been removed from

1746
01:24:03,572 --> 01:24:04,092
Speaker 3: the stadium?

1747
01:24:04,372 --> 01:24:06,492
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, Matt, don't be a moron? What more

1748
01:24:06,572 --> 01:24:08,812
Speaker 2: and brings a child to such a tennis Matt where

1749
01:24:08,853 --> 01:24:11,692
Speaker 2: the current protocols are be quiet. The moron should have

1750
01:24:12,532 --> 01:24:15,372
Speaker 2: have to leave too spicy. Three morons and one text.

1751
01:24:15,452 --> 01:24:16,173
Speaker 2: It could be a record.

1752
01:24:16,253 --> 01:24:20,612
Speaker 3: Twelve past three, very good afternoons. It is a quarter

1753
01:24:20,692 --> 01:24:22,852
Speaker 3: past three, and we're talking about the heat that Emma

1754
01:24:22,933 --> 01:24:26,412
Speaker 3: Radi Khanu tennis superstar is getting for asking the umpire

1755
01:24:26,452 --> 01:24:29,173
Speaker 3: to eject a child who was screaming during play.

1756
01:24:29,532 --> 01:24:33,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extinctionists like this text to here. Humans are

1757
01:24:33,053 --> 01:24:36,093
Speaker 2: destroying this earth. We don't need any more children. The

1758
01:24:36,213 --> 01:24:38,093
Speaker 2: harder we make it for kids out in public, the

1759
01:24:38,173 --> 01:24:42,372
Speaker 2: better for the planet, you idiot. I mean there are

1760
01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:45,772
Speaker 2: people that believe that there's there's people that believe that

1761
01:24:45,893 --> 01:24:48,572
Speaker 2: humanity's long term survival is not desirable and that humans

1762
01:24:48,612 --> 01:24:53,372
Speaker 2: should go extinct. And I think it's being intolerant of

1763
01:24:53,452 --> 01:24:55,612
Speaker 2: children as a manifestation of that belief.

1764
01:24:55,772 --> 01:24:58,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like this text a taser the little bugger

1765
01:24:58,973 --> 01:25:00,812
Speaker 3: and it's quite full noise. I don't know if the

1766
01:25:00,893 --> 01:25:01,612
Speaker 3: umpire can do that.

1767
01:25:03,133 --> 01:25:07,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatoner for the next question? What do you want

1768
01:25:07,053 --> 01:25:09,293
Speaker 2: me to tas her make the streaming worse?

1769
01:25:09,372 --> 01:25:09,612
Speaker 3: Probably?

1770
01:25:09,652 --> 01:25:13,652
Speaker 2: I think that's a particular Tennis but be able to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1771
01:25:13,973 --> 01:25:16,492
Speaker 2: do what on what's what was the name of it?

1772
01:25:18,572 --> 01:25:21,133
Speaker 2: Like your taste of the kid, David, Welcome to the show.

1773
01:25:22,492 --> 01:25:26,412
Speaker 16: Yeah it guys, I'm not an intensive extensionist. I've got

1774
01:25:26,452 --> 01:25:29,372
Speaker 16: five children. We had We brought our children out.

1775
01:25:29,532 --> 01:25:29,652
Speaker 8: You know.

1776
01:25:29,853 --> 01:25:31,732
Speaker 16: We if we wanted to go to a concert and

1777
01:25:31,772 --> 01:25:34,333
Speaker 16: couldn't get a babysitter, we just didn't go. We wanted

1778
01:25:34,333 --> 01:25:36,412
Speaker 16: to go to a noisy rabling edge, we couldn't get

1779
01:25:36,412 --> 01:25:38,772
Speaker 16: a babysitter, we just didn't go. I don't know, if

1780
01:25:38,772 --> 01:25:40,532
Speaker 16: you've watched the video on it, that child wouldn't know

1781
01:25:40,612 --> 01:25:44,372
Speaker 16: what the difference between Tennis bourne his backside. You know,

1782
01:25:44,893 --> 01:25:47,452
Speaker 16: this is the sort of thing that parents today have

1783
01:25:47,572 --> 01:25:50,293
Speaker 16: a sense of entitlement that everybody should could tail to them.

1784
01:25:50,372 --> 01:25:54,013
Speaker 16: Everybody should pay for the child. You know, I mean,

1785
01:25:54,412 --> 01:25:56,333
Speaker 16: there was a time when if you had a child

1786
01:25:56,412 --> 01:25:59,412
Speaker 16: with your responsibility and a child responsibil he studied when

1787
01:25:59,412 --> 01:26:00,932
Speaker 16: he was old enough. He got home and the lights

1788
01:26:00,973 --> 01:26:04,093
Speaker 16: went out in the streets. You know, he tentally on

1789
01:26:04,173 --> 01:26:06,053
Speaker 16: for an hour, and then he went off. He went

1790
01:26:06,133 --> 01:26:10,973
Speaker 16: did at proper time. It's just today parents feel that

1791
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:15,452
Speaker 16: their children's being targeted everything, whether it annoys anybody else

1792
01:26:15,532 --> 01:26:17,812
Speaker 16: or not. And it's not about being extinctionist. If you

1793
01:26:17,893 --> 01:26:20,372
Speaker 16: don't want it, screaming kidnets or something, you probably pay

1794
01:26:20,492 --> 01:26:22,372
Speaker 16: one hundred and eighty dollars to go and watch.

1795
01:26:24,933 --> 01:26:28,652
Speaker 2: Do you find kids running around a cafe annoying?

1796
01:26:28,772 --> 01:26:32,893
Speaker 16: David, No, I don't, and I've got four grandchildren. I

1797
01:26:32,933 --> 01:26:35,093
Speaker 16: don't find them annoying at all. But you know, if

1798
01:26:35,133 --> 01:26:37,372
Speaker 16: they run out and down the supermarket pulling things off

1799
01:26:37,412 --> 01:26:39,772
Speaker 16: the shelf, I put a stop to it. If they

1800
01:26:39,853 --> 01:26:42,492
Speaker 16: have a tensrum because they weren't given a lolly, I

1801
01:26:42,572 --> 01:26:44,173
Speaker 16: put the groceries down to take them outside on back

1802
01:26:44,213 --> 01:26:47,692
Speaker 16: in the car. What do you think about, doeople other

1803
01:26:47,772 --> 01:26:49,053
Speaker 16: people's problems.

1804
01:26:48,893 --> 01:26:52,492
Speaker 2: Do you find? Do you find kids? What about if

1805
01:26:52,492 --> 01:26:55,213
Speaker 2: you've experienced kids crying on international flights and such?

1806
01:26:56,133 --> 01:26:59,013
Speaker 16: Yes, you know, and I don't have a problem of

1807
01:26:59,093 --> 01:27:03,412
Speaker 16: kids crying and interestial flights because you're going you're going somewhere. Yeah,

1808
01:27:03,492 --> 01:27:05,572
Speaker 16: you know, we're all going somewhere there. It's different. You're

1809
01:27:05,612 --> 01:27:07,732
Speaker 16: talking about a choice to go to an event that

1810
01:27:07,853 --> 01:27:10,293
Speaker 16: you want watch. That child didn't want to watch it.

1811
01:27:10,412 --> 01:27:13,013
Speaker 16: Tennis match. That child wouldn't know what tennis was.

1812
01:27:13,173 --> 01:27:14,892
Speaker 2: But I guess for me, I just don't see why

1813
01:27:15,532 --> 01:27:19,253
Speaker 2: anyone cares so a baby's making some noise. I don't

1814
01:27:19,293 --> 01:27:22,133
Speaker 2: know who who cares people make noise so so, I mean,

1815
01:27:22,893 --> 01:27:24,772
Speaker 2: I've had I've had children. I just don't find the

1816
01:27:24,853 --> 01:27:27,732
Speaker 2: sound of children particularly annoying. It's if there's if there's

1817
01:27:27,732 --> 01:27:30,253
Speaker 2: a child making noise beside me, I'm like, okay, that's

1818
01:27:30,612 --> 01:27:33,532
Speaker 2: you know. Sometimes there's a car driving pass. Sometimes there's

1819
01:27:33,532 --> 01:27:36,652
Speaker 2: a loud train, sometimes there's a pneumatic drill, sometimes there's

1820
01:27:36,652 --> 01:27:39,452
Speaker 2: a child. I feel happier to put up with the

1821
01:27:39,532 --> 01:27:42,012
Speaker 2: sound of a child, because at least it's another human

1822
01:27:42,133 --> 01:27:44,772
Speaker 2: experiencing the outside world. It just doesn't annoy me.

1823
01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:50,612
Speaker 16: I've heard you on the radio, excellent their radios off

1824
01:27:50,692 --> 01:27:55,293
Speaker 16: so that you're not getting on the radio. Why does

1825
01:27:55,333 --> 01:27:55,772
Speaker 16: it annoy you?

1826
01:27:56,372 --> 01:27:59,093
Speaker 2: Well, it's just because of repeating living No, No, I

1827
01:27:59,133 --> 01:28:01,133
Speaker 2: mean it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't. It doesn't annoy

1828
01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:03,852
Speaker 2: me at all that that. But it's just a professional radio.

1829
01:28:04,133 --> 01:28:07,173
Speaker 16: It annoys your listeners, doesn't that when when.

1830
01:28:07,053 --> 01:28:08,812
Speaker 2: When they have the radio on, it just gets into

1831
01:28:08,853 --> 01:28:11,532
Speaker 2: this feedback Louke and and I worry that people. I

1832
01:28:11,612 --> 01:28:14,253
Speaker 2: worry that people won't be able to understand what the

1833
01:28:14,293 --> 01:28:17,812
Speaker 2: person is saying. Locality call doesn't worry me at all.

1834
01:28:17,893 --> 01:28:20,452
Speaker 2: It's just we want, because we're an audio medium, we

1835
01:28:20,492 --> 01:28:22,053
Speaker 2: want it to be as clear as possible. We don't

1836
01:28:22,053 --> 01:28:24,213
Speaker 2: have any vision for it. So if there's a call

1837
01:28:24,293 --> 01:28:26,412
Speaker 2: coming through, if it's at all possible, we want it

1838
01:28:26,452 --> 01:28:27,452
Speaker 2: to be as clear as possible.

1839
01:28:28,452 --> 01:28:32,053
Speaker 16: And okay, so what about if there's somebody listening for

1840
01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:36,572
Speaker 16: a very very fine sound of a ball just licking

1841
01:28:36,612 --> 01:28:39,572
Speaker 16: the top of the net. Yeah, I mean, I just

1842
01:28:39,652 --> 01:28:41,772
Speaker 16: want I just should that person be able to do

1843
01:28:41,893 --> 01:28:45,692
Speaker 16: their job? The baby screaming in the air, Well, I

1844
01:28:45,812 --> 01:28:47,093
Speaker 16: just I personally.

1845
01:28:46,812 --> 01:28:50,013
Speaker 2: Think I think personally, I think personally, David, that that

1846
01:28:50,173 --> 01:28:52,892
Speaker 2: tennis players are prissy and if they think their sport's

1847
01:28:52,933 --> 01:28:55,612
Speaker 2: any harder than any other sport, that they need silence.

1848
01:28:55,692 --> 01:29:00,772
Speaker 2: Then that's that's just a thing of history, I think,

1849
01:29:01,772 --> 01:29:04,093
Speaker 2: and I mean, I don't think tennis is any harder

1850
01:29:04,093 --> 01:29:06,372
Speaker 2: than any other sport. There's plenty of sports that are

1851
01:29:06,452 --> 01:29:07,092
Speaker 2: just as difficult.

1852
01:29:07,652 --> 01:29:09,572
Speaker 16: But that's where you're coming from. That's what that's why

1853
01:29:09,652 --> 01:29:12,772
Speaker 16: you're not looking at it in the sense that other

1854
01:29:12,893 --> 01:29:16,652
Speaker 16: people have jobs where yeah, you couldn't have a you

1855
01:29:16,692 --> 01:29:19,012
Speaker 16: can have a surgeon doing surgery of the child's scream

1856
01:29:19,053 --> 01:29:21,412
Speaker 16: in the background, could you They wouldn't do it. There

1857
01:29:21,452 --> 01:29:26,452
Speaker 16: are there are jobs, and you're pretty people like the

1858
01:29:26,572 --> 01:29:29,572
Speaker 16: Australian bloke that would would whine when when anything would

1859
01:29:29,612 --> 01:29:33,093
Speaker 16: go wrong. I mean, yeah, they are pretty and they

1860
01:29:33,173 --> 01:29:37,253
Speaker 16: have a problem with that. But you're putting you're saying,

1861
01:29:37,293 --> 01:29:39,852
Speaker 16: no child is a right dad with their child doesn't

1862
01:29:39,893 --> 01:29:40,652
Speaker 16: know what their game is.

1863
01:29:41,572 --> 01:29:43,852
Speaker 2: No, I just I just more I just more mean.

1864
01:29:43,933 --> 01:29:45,572
Speaker 2: And look, maybe this is an extreme case, and I

1865
01:29:45,612 --> 01:29:48,293
Speaker 2: can definitely see your side of it, David, and I

1866
01:29:48,372 --> 01:29:52,533
Speaker 2: can see I just am saying generally, as a society,

1867
01:29:53,053 --> 01:29:55,293
Speaker 2: I feel like they we're becoming less and less tolerant

1868
01:29:55,372 --> 01:29:58,372
Speaker 2: of children in public. And I personally think it's because

1869
01:29:58,412 --> 01:30:01,133
Speaker 2: people aren't having children until much later, so they haven't

1870
01:30:01,173 --> 01:30:03,412
Speaker 2: experienced it. And look, David, you know it sounds like

1871
01:30:03,452 --> 01:30:05,772
Speaker 2: you're a fantastic dad and you've brought out five really

1872
01:30:05,812 --> 01:30:09,652
Speaker 2: well behaved kids. But I feel like have been around

1873
01:30:09,732 --> 01:30:11,532
Speaker 2: a lot of kids as I have been in my life,

1874
01:30:11,572 --> 01:30:13,652
Speaker 2: I just don't find it annoying, and maybe I just

1875
01:30:13,692 --> 01:30:16,892
Speaker 2: don't understand. Personally, at a tennis match, I wouldn't mind,

1876
01:30:17,333 --> 01:30:19,492
Speaker 2: but I get that other people would. And I just

1877
01:30:19,612 --> 01:30:23,532
Speaker 2: hope that as a society we keep an open heart

1878
01:30:23,612 --> 01:30:26,412
Speaker 2: towards children and we want more of them around us,

1879
01:30:26,853 --> 01:30:28,532
Speaker 2: because I think that the world is a better place

1880
01:30:28,612 --> 01:30:29,293
Speaker 2: with more children.

1881
01:30:31,492 --> 01:30:34,572
Speaker 16: Yep, a little bit of post children and we can

1882
01:30:34,612 --> 01:30:37,133
Speaker 16: only go forward with children, but they don't have to

1883
01:30:37,173 --> 01:30:37,812
Speaker 16: attend everything.

1884
01:30:38,133 --> 01:30:41,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much, David Dave. I appreciate that

1885
01:30:41,692 --> 01:30:43,972
Speaker 3: good call. Look, there'll be a lot of young parents

1886
01:30:44,053 --> 01:30:46,812
Speaker 3: out there now that would feel very embarrassed if their

1887
01:30:46,933 --> 01:30:50,093
Speaker 3: child is screaming. But to your point, and I think

1888
01:30:50,133 --> 01:30:53,932
Speaker 3: there's an element there that parents do feel like it's

1889
01:30:53,973 --> 01:30:57,572
Speaker 3: taboo to bring their kids to these public arenas. So

1890
01:30:57,692 --> 01:31:02,053
Speaker 3: it's that complexity, right that the nuance of course you're

1891
01:31:02,053 --> 01:31:04,812
Speaker 3: allowed to take your children to these places, but then

1892
01:31:04,893 --> 01:31:08,532
Speaker 3: it raises the question. If you see a peer aren't

1893
01:31:08,532 --> 01:31:11,412
Speaker 3: struggling with a child that's having a tantrum, shouldn't you

1894
01:31:11,492 --> 01:31:13,772
Speaker 3: go and help that parent rather than this judge and

1895
01:31:13,853 --> 01:31:16,013
Speaker 3: say there's a screaming kid over there, shut that kid up.

1896
01:31:16,053 --> 01:31:17,772
Speaker 2: Well you've changed your opinion. At the start you were

1897
01:31:17,772 --> 01:31:19,333
Speaker 2: thinking get them out of the cafes. I don't want

1898
01:31:19,372 --> 01:31:21,333
Speaker 2: any kids anywhere near me, and now you've flipped around.

1899
01:31:21,372 --> 01:31:22,852
Speaker 3: I sat. I reckon, it's a ten minute time limit.

1900
01:31:23,253 --> 01:31:25,293
Speaker 2: I don't know if Tyler coming over and trying to

1901
01:31:25,333 --> 01:31:27,572
Speaker 2: comfort your kids going to help much. Have you not

1902
01:31:27,692 --> 01:31:30,092
Speaker 2: been to a professional tennis match. There has to be silence.

1903
01:31:30,133 --> 01:31:31,812
Speaker 2: There only has to be silence because people have said

1904
01:31:31,812 --> 01:31:33,973
Speaker 2: there's been silenced. And I do get the point that

1905
01:31:34,013 --> 01:31:35,772
Speaker 2: if you're taking a kid to a tennis match.

1906
01:31:35,612 --> 01:31:35,852
Speaker 10: You will.

1907
01:31:36,173 --> 01:31:38,772
Speaker 2: It's a risky freaking business because every single person that

1908
01:31:38,812 --> 01:31:41,572
Speaker 2: goes with a tennis match knows that that but is silent.

1909
01:31:41,812 --> 01:31:44,253
Speaker 2: And part of me enjoys that because I got been

1910
01:31:44,293 --> 01:31:47,213
Speaker 2: to a ASP Classical whatever it's called now, Heineken Open

1911
01:31:47,253 --> 01:31:49,812
Speaker 2: whatever it's called now a lot, and part of me

1912
01:31:50,013 --> 01:31:52,133
Speaker 2: just does enjoy that silence and the focus in on

1913
01:31:52,213 --> 01:31:54,213
Speaker 2: that game. It does make it quite intense. But I

1914
01:31:54,253 --> 01:31:56,053
Speaker 2: do think tennis is a pressy sport and I don't

1915
01:31:56,093 --> 01:31:58,652
Speaker 2: think it's any harder than any other other sport. And

1916
01:31:58,973 --> 01:32:00,893
Speaker 2: I think that silence that they have at tennis is

1917
01:32:00,973 --> 01:32:02,133
Speaker 2: just it's a matter of history.

1918
01:32:02,652 --> 01:32:05,093
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What do you think

1919
01:32:05,213 --> 01:32:08,652
Speaker 3: about the situation with Emma Ratakanu and screaming kids and public?

1920
01:32:08,933 --> 01:32:12,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, maybe that's an edge case. Okay, let's

1921
01:32:12,253 --> 01:32:15,253
Speaker 2: just say, do you think it's okay for kids to

1922
01:32:15,333 --> 01:32:19,053
Speaker 2: run around a cafe? Do you find it annoying having

1923
01:32:19,093 --> 01:32:21,253
Speaker 2: to put up with kids making noises in public spaces?

1924
01:32:21,372 --> 01:32:21,532
Speaker 6: Yes?

1925
01:32:21,772 --> 01:32:23,692
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

1926
01:32:23,772 --> 01:32:24,932
Speaker 3: Twenty three past three.

1927
01:32:28,732 --> 01:32:32,412
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1928
01:32:32,492 --> 01:32:35,733
Speaker 1: ten eighty on US Talk ZB News TALKSB.

1929
01:32:35,853 --> 01:32:38,772
Speaker 3: It is twenty five past three and we're talking about

1930
01:32:38,812 --> 01:32:41,852
Speaker 3: screaming children in public. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1931
01:32:42,333 --> 01:32:43,293
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts.

1932
01:32:44,013 --> 01:32:46,293
Speaker 2: Angela here, I'm a mum. I agree with that last

1933
01:32:46,333 --> 01:32:48,892
Speaker 2: call of the tennis match is not a bloody crash.

1934
01:32:49,293 --> 01:32:52,093
Speaker 2: Maybe the toler needs a bit of discipline. Churchyard to

1935
01:32:52,173 --> 01:32:54,652
Speaker 2: have a crying room for kids and babies that were noisy.

1936
01:32:54,853 --> 01:32:57,133
Speaker 2: If my kids played up like that, I would taser them.

1937
01:32:57,213 --> 01:32:57,652
Speaker 1: Not all that.

1938
01:32:57,973 --> 01:33:00,772
Speaker 2: If my kids played up, they learned not too early.

1939
01:33:01,013 --> 01:33:03,372
Speaker 2: By the time they were two, they could go anywhere

1940
01:33:03,532 --> 01:33:07,652
Speaker 2: and behave therex Well, lots of fatherless kids out there,

1941
01:33:07,692 --> 01:33:10,092
Speaker 2: Matt's beend free time in their zone.

1942
01:33:10,812 --> 01:33:11,012
Speaker 5: One.

1943
01:33:11,412 --> 01:33:13,532
Speaker 3: Doesn't make any sense that she lost the plot there. Yeah,

1944
01:33:13,853 --> 01:33:17,053
Speaker 3: nine too. If you want to send tex Scott, how

1945
01:33:17,093 --> 01:33:17,932
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

1946
01:33:18,973 --> 01:33:19,452
Speaker 9: Not too bad?

1947
01:33:19,572 --> 01:33:20,333
Speaker 16: Chaps yourself?

1948
01:33:20,572 --> 01:33:23,093
Speaker 2: Bloody good? Thanks for calling Scott. You reckon. Kids are

1949
01:33:23,133 --> 01:33:24,492
Speaker 2: getting noisier and more disruptive.

1950
01:33:25,933 --> 01:33:31,532
Speaker 17: So yeah, I don't mind people having kids, and I

1951
01:33:31,612 --> 01:33:35,572
Speaker 17: don't mind attending things, going to cafes, restaurants, in planes,

1952
01:33:35,772 --> 01:33:39,772
Speaker 17: public spaces whatever. What I do mind is the fact

1953
01:33:39,853 --> 01:33:42,812
Speaker 17: that the kids start to kick off and the pearents

1954
01:33:42,893 --> 01:33:47,052
Speaker 17: don't do anything about it. We've went holiday in Fiji

1955
01:33:48,093 --> 01:33:51,692
Speaker 17: last November. Was in the resort and it came to

1956
01:33:51,772 --> 01:33:54,933
Speaker 17: dinner time. There was a lady there from Australia. She

1957
01:33:55,093 --> 01:33:58,333
Speaker 17: had like a three year old toddler with her. The

1958
01:33:58,452 --> 01:34:01,652
Speaker 17: toddler a get up and start wandering around all over

1959
01:34:01,732 --> 01:34:05,093
Speaker 17: the dining wall. Go and start grabbing stuff off other

1960
01:34:05,173 --> 01:34:09,093
Speaker 17: people's tables, et cetera. But unfortunately, this lady would just

1961
01:34:09,293 --> 01:34:12,133
Speaker 17: get up with a thoughtful of food and chase after

1962
01:34:12,213 --> 01:34:15,772
Speaker 17: the kid and stand the kids still feed him the food,

1963
01:34:16,372 --> 01:34:19,572
Speaker 17: and then just let him carry on. It's you know,

1964
01:34:19,812 --> 01:34:23,093
Speaker 17: you've got to be able to control and were not

1965
01:34:23,692 --> 01:34:27,933
Speaker 17: like hurt, but discipline your children. And they've got to

1966
01:34:28,093 --> 01:34:31,333
Speaker 17: understand from a young age that you just don't misbehave.

1967
01:34:32,652 --> 01:34:35,132
Speaker 2: So, you know, in that kind of situation, So if

1968
01:34:35,452 --> 01:34:37,892
Speaker 2: a kid runs over and is hanging around your table,

1969
01:34:39,213 --> 01:34:41,093
Speaker 2: you don't like that, you don't. You wouldn't talk to

1970
01:34:41,133 --> 01:34:42,612
Speaker 2: the kids. You wouldn't look at the kid and go on.

1971
01:34:43,213 --> 01:34:45,612
Speaker 2: That's cut would I would talk.

1972
01:34:45,532 --> 01:34:47,892
Speaker 17: To the child, And I've got no worries about talking

1973
01:34:47,933 --> 01:34:51,293
Speaker 17: to the child or or whoever. What I would object

1974
01:34:51,372 --> 01:34:55,253
Speaker 17: to is if the kids started checking off and making

1975
01:34:55,652 --> 01:34:59,972
Speaker 17: horrendous noise and or started grabbing food off my plate,

1976
01:35:00,333 --> 01:35:01,612
Speaker 17: which this kid was doing.

1977
01:35:02,333 --> 01:35:03,612
Speaker 6: That's the whole other story.

1978
01:35:04,333 --> 01:35:08,572
Speaker 2: The kid was about three years old, you see, three

1979
01:35:08,732 --> 01:35:10,812
Speaker 2: threes too too old to be running around and grabbing

1980
01:35:10,933 --> 01:35:17,652
Speaker 2: food off other people's place. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Scott

1981
01:35:17,732 --> 01:35:19,772
Speaker 2: that there's better and worse parents and that does sound

1982
01:35:19,853 --> 01:35:26,572
Speaker 2: like a kind of a rubbish parent. But but you're okay,

1983
01:35:26,652 --> 01:35:31,253
Speaker 2: So there are edge cases and such, but you generally

1984
01:35:31,372 --> 01:35:34,053
Speaker 2: believe that you enjoy having kids out in public and

1985
01:35:34,133 --> 01:35:35,652
Speaker 2: having them runnyway you have. Do you have kids at all,

1986
01:35:35,652 --> 01:35:38,652
Speaker 2: Scott If you don't my masking, No, I don't.

1987
01:35:38,732 --> 01:35:40,372
Speaker 17: Unfortunately, it's just the way life role.

1988
01:35:40,492 --> 01:35:40,812
Speaker 4: I mean.

1989
01:35:41,093 --> 01:35:44,772
Speaker 17: But you know, I've I've looked after other people's kids,

1990
01:35:44,853 --> 01:35:48,372
Speaker 17: not taking nephews and nieces out and about in places

1991
01:35:48,492 --> 01:35:51,972
Speaker 17: and you know, taking them parks and cycling and events

1992
01:35:52,013 --> 01:35:55,173
Speaker 17: and stuff like that. So you know, I know what

1993
01:35:55,293 --> 01:35:58,452
Speaker 17: it's all about, you know, as you say, once upon

1994
01:35:58,492 --> 01:36:02,213
Speaker 17: a time we were kids. Yeah, and unfortunately, I suppose

1995
01:36:02,333 --> 01:36:05,852
Speaker 17: unfortunately fortunately I'm nearly fifty, but I grew up in

1996
01:36:05,893 --> 01:36:07,492
Speaker 17: the area kids were seen.

1997
01:36:07,333 --> 01:36:08,052
Speaker 5: And not heard.

1998
01:36:08,612 --> 01:36:08,812
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1999
01:36:09,053 --> 01:36:13,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting one because I guess the

2000
01:36:13,133 --> 01:36:16,412
Speaker 2: reason why I'm hitting so much pushback on this is

2001
01:36:16,452 --> 01:36:19,612
Speaker 2: because it's the tennis situation. I've always thought that tennis

2002
01:36:19,692 --> 01:36:23,053
Speaker 2: is a pressy sport full of prissy prima donnas that

2003
01:36:24,372 --> 01:36:26,652
Speaker 2: get angry at the ball people for not handing the

2004
01:36:26,732 --> 01:36:28,173
Speaker 2: ball the right ball to them. All those kind of

2005
01:36:28,213 --> 01:36:29,893
Speaker 2: things we've seen all these stories of tennis people, and

2006
01:36:29,893 --> 01:36:32,732
Speaker 2: I just don't think tennis is a particular sport where

2007
01:36:33,372 --> 01:36:35,412
Speaker 2: it needs to be quiet over any other sport. And

2008
01:36:35,452 --> 01:36:38,052
Speaker 2: I don't think that there are any particularly better athletes

2009
01:36:38,093 --> 01:36:40,013
Speaker 2: than any other given sport, you know, you know, I

2010
01:36:40,133 --> 01:36:42,372
Speaker 2: take the case of the NFL, So can I just

2011
01:36:42,412 --> 01:36:43,893
Speaker 2: finish my point, Scott and they'll get back to you.

2012
01:36:44,093 --> 01:36:47,173
Speaker 2: But then someone texted something through that hit me. How

2013
01:36:47,173 --> 01:36:48,812
Speaker 2: would I feel if I was watching a movie and

2014
01:36:48,893 --> 01:36:51,973
Speaker 2: there was a kid crying in the movie and I thought, well,

2015
01:36:51,973 --> 01:36:52,773
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

2016
01:36:52,412 --> 01:36:52,933
Speaker 3: Like that, would I.

2017
01:36:53,293 --> 01:36:57,013
Speaker 2: So really, my blind spot in this is I just

2018
01:36:57,093 --> 01:36:58,772
Speaker 2: think that it's sports. You should be able to talk.

2019
01:36:58,812 --> 01:37:01,452
Speaker 2: And it's not so much of a problem of for

2020
01:37:01,572 --> 01:37:03,612
Speaker 2: kids making a lot of noise at a cricket match

2021
01:37:03,692 --> 01:37:06,293
Speaker 2: or a rugby match, because there's a lot of noise around.

2022
01:37:07,173 --> 01:37:08,732
Speaker 2: And yes, I mean.

2023
01:37:10,253 --> 01:37:12,892
Speaker 17: Tennis. Here is a sport that I gave the major

2024
01:37:12,973 --> 01:37:15,052
Speaker 17: player or the major events. Yes, it has to be quiet,

2025
01:37:15,133 --> 01:37:18,213
Speaker 17: or they prefer quiet. But you go up through the

2026
01:37:18,293 --> 01:37:21,692
Speaker 17: ranks and you've got cars driving past, you've got people talking,

2027
01:37:21,772 --> 01:37:25,852
Speaker 17: you've got other games going on five or so three

2028
01:37:25,933 --> 01:37:29,253
Speaker 17: meters away from here. So's it's just you know, it's

2029
01:37:29,293 --> 01:37:33,732
Speaker 17: how it goes. But here you're right to professional tennis

2030
01:37:33,772 --> 01:37:36,133
Speaker 17: paths that we see on the TV, they can be

2031
01:37:36,213 --> 01:37:38,213
Speaker 17: a little bit demanding and a bit prissy.

2032
01:37:38,412 --> 01:37:39,333
Speaker 3: We can all agree on that.

2033
01:37:39,452 --> 01:37:42,173
Speaker 2: I think, Hey, thank you so much for your call, Scott.

2034
01:37:42,173 --> 01:37:42,772
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

2035
01:37:42,893 --> 01:37:43,053
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2036
01:37:43,093 --> 01:37:44,972
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2037
01:37:44,973 --> 01:37:47,133
Speaker 3: to call. We've got headlines with Jody coming up, but

2038
01:37:47,213 --> 01:37:49,812
Speaker 3: we've got full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying.

2039
01:37:49,973 --> 01:37:52,452
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2040
01:37:52,572 --> 01:37:55,732
Speaker 2: People are angry at me because I think I believe

2041
01:37:55,772 --> 01:37:58,013
Speaker 2: that children are our future. Teach them well and let

2042
01:37:58,093 --> 01:38:00,173
Speaker 2: them lead the way, show them all the beauty they

2043
01:38:00,213 --> 01:38:02,612
Speaker 2: possess inside. I believe this give them a sense of

2044
01:38:02,692 --> 01:38:05,972
Speaker 2: pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind

2045
01:38:06,093 --> 01:38:07,892
Speaker 2: us of how we used to be. And I'm getting

2046
01:38:07,893 --> 01:38:09,652
Speaker 2: a lot of push back because I believe I've.

2047
01:38:09,492 --> 01:38:11,133
Speaker 3: Almost got a tear moil. I thank you very much.

2048
01:38:11,213 --> 01:38:12,213
Speaker 3: Twenty nine two for.

2049
01:38:14,612 --> 01:38:18,372
Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

2050
01:38:18,452 --> 01:38:22,253
Speaker 14: no trouble with the Blue bubble ructions in Parliament into

2051
01:38:22,372 --> 01:38:26,133
Speaker 14: a second day with Chloe Swolbrick again told to leave

2052
01:38:26,333 --> 01:38:30,133
Speaker 14: and being named. She's refused to withdraw or apologize for

2053
01:38:30,253 --> 01:38:34,172
Speaker 14: asking government MPs to show a spine on sanctioning Israel

2054
01:38:34,372 --> 01:38:38,532
Speaker 14: over Gaza. Despite MPs including Chris Hipkins and Winston Peters

2055
01:38:38,853 --> 01:38:44,013
Speaker 14: calling the Green Co leader's expulsion disproportionate and against traditions,

2056
01:38:44,293 --> 01:38:47,932
Speaker 14: a vote sent her out again. Today, Prime Minister Chris

2057
01:38:48,013 --> 01:38:52,012
Speaker 14: Luxen has made his strongest comment yet on Gaza, saying

2058
01:38:52,213 --> 01:38:57,133
Speaker 14: Israeli leader Benjamin Nettan Yahoo has lost the plot. An

2059
01:38:57,173 --> 01:39:02,372
Speaker 14: academic claims government changes to pay equity law breach international obligations,

2060
01:39:02,652 --> 01:39:05,572
Speaker 14: and an advocacy group has laudged an appeal for a

2061
01:39:05,772 --> 01:39:09,812
Speaker 14: UN investigation. The Serious Crash Unit has been called to

2062
01:39:09,933 --> 01:39:13,852
Speaker 14: a two vehicle crash in Tasman's Mahana, with the injuries likely.

2063
01:39:14,213 --> 01:39:18,732
Speaker 14: State Highway sixties closed near Apple Valley Road. Pressures ramping

2064
01:39:18,812 --> 01:39:23,013
Speaker 14: for the Vocational Education Minister to release financial details on

2065
01:39:23,173 --> 01:39:28,133
Speaker 14: de merging at Tapookinger Scott Robertson faces a dilemma with

2066
01:39:28,253 --> 01:39:31,612
Speaker 14: a position the all Blacks were once potent in see

2067
01:39:31,652 --> 01:39:35,612
Speaker 14: Gregorpool's full column at anzat Herald Premium. Thank to Matt

2068
01:39:35,692 --> 01:39:36,812
Speaker 14: Heathan Tyler Adams.

2069
01:39:36,973 --> 01:39:40,013
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Jody, So having a great discussion

2070
01:39:40,173 --> 01:39:42,612
Speaker 3: about screaming children in public.

2071
01:39:42,973 --> 01:39:45,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. How do you feel about kids? And well,

2072
01:39:45,612 --> 01:39:48,972
Speaker 2: it's not just screaming children. You keep putting screaming child

2073
01:39:49,173 --> 01:39:52,372
Speaker 2: in there to try and push your argument. There's no

2074
01:39:52,532 --> 01:39:55,812
Speaker 2: screaming child, and it's just a slightly noisy child. And

2075
01:39:55,973 --> 01:39:57,932
Speaker 2: so I just believe that as a whole we need

2076
01:39:57,973 --> 01:40:00,372
Speaker 2: to be more tolerant of children because we need them

2077
01:40:00,412 --> 01:40:02,812
Speaker 2: for the good of our species. Hey, I think people

2078
01:40:02,853 --> 01:40:04,692
Speaker 2: should take a cement pill. S this it's text are

2079
01:40:04,692 --> 01:40:07,412
Speaker 2: and hard enough. Most people try their best, and let's

2080
01:40:07,452 --> 01:40:10,093
Speaker 2: be real, it's life, and it's most innocent and fun.

2081
01:40:10,412 --> 01:40:12,492
Speaker 2: It's life and it's most innocent and fun. But at

2082
01:40:12,492 --> 01:40:14,652
Speaker 2: the same time, there is a time to pack up

2083
01:40:14,732 --> 01:40:18,093
Speaker 2: and leave if they begin to misbehave too much. As

2084
01:40:18,133 --> 01:40:20,732
Speaker 2: your other guests alluded to, they don't really understand the

2085
01:40:20,732 --> 01:40:24,372
Speaker 2: adult situation they find themselves in. Here's a thought, take

2086
01:40:24,532 --> 01:40:27,293
Speaker 2: the kid by so many texts coming through, I can't

2087
01:40:27,333 --> 01:40:31,333
Speaker 2: read this one. Where are we a fun time? There's

2088
01:40:31,372 --> 01:40:34,572
Speaker 2: the adult situation. Here's a thought, take the kids to

2089
01:40:34,772 --> 01:40:38,333
Speaker 2: family type events, not adult ones that they just don't

2090
01:40:38,372 --> 01:40:41,812
Speaker 2: have attention span for adult events. Yeah, I mean, I

2091
01:40:41,853 --> 01:40:44,892
Speaker 2: think there's some truth in that that taking a child

2092
01:40:45,213 --> 01:40:51,612
Speaker 2: to tennis is a risky operation. But what I'm really

2093
01:40:51,652 --> 01:40:54,772
Speaker 2: pushing back on is the reaction of the tennis player,

2094
01:40:55,612 --> 01:41:00,093
Speaker 2: Emma Ratikanu Kanu. She was like so incredibly prissy about it,

2095
01:41:00,173 --> 01:41:03,013
Speaker 2: and the hatred of children in her face over her

2096
01:41:03,053 --> 01:41:05,452
Speaker 2: important little sport disgusted me. And I just think it

2097
01:41:05,572 --> 01:41:10,412
Speaker 2: was symbolic of a wider intolerance towards children.

2098
01:41:10,612 --> 01:41:12,532
Speaker 3: It was pretty smug, I'll give you that. Looking at it,

2099
01:41:12,652 --> 01:41:15,492
Speaker 3: we smile on your face, but can you hear your views?

2100
01:41:15,492 --> 01:41:17,732
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten to eighty, Hey, guys, sorry,

2101
01:41:17,812 --> 01:41:20,412
Speaker 3: but you're way out of line. Read tennis and children.

2102
01:41:20,692 --> 01:41:23,532
Speaker 3: Look how often players stop just because people are going

2103
01:41:23,612 --> 01:41:24,573
Speaker 3: to their seats.

2104
01:41:24,333 --> 01:41:26,692
Speaker 2: Or moving around. At Emma's level, there's a lot at

2105
01:41:26,772 --> 01:41:29,772
Speaker 2: stake when serving. There is a lot of focus on

2106
01:41:29,853 --> 01:41:32,412
Speaker 2: the action and rhythm involved, and to be starterbar child

2107
01:41:32,532 --> 01:41:34,692
Speaker 2: is not on. There is a time and a place,

2108
01:41:34,772 --> 01:41:36,932
Speaker 2: and a high level tennis match is not for children.

2109
01:41:36,973 --> 01:41:39,053
Speaker 2: I think you might be biased about tennis. Yeah, I

2110
01:41:39,093 --> 01:41:40,893
Speaker 2: think that's true. What about darts, Well, you can be

2111
01:41:40,933 --> 01:41:42,772
Speaker 2: as loud as you want it. Darts and other sports

2112
01:41:42,973 --> 01:41:45,492
Speaker 2: that require an intense focus. My comments are in no

2113
01:41:45,612 --> 01:41:47,852
Speaker 2: way anpty children, but as a tennis player, I understand

2114
01:41:47,893 --> 01:41:53,412
Speaker 2: the circumstances of Emma's response to the umpire. The umpire

2115
01:41:53,692 --> 01:41:57,812
Speaker 2: could have requested the child's guardian to be understanding. Best witches, Mike,

2116
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:00,732
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for the for the text there.

2117
01:42:00,812 --> 01:42:04,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, good ticks, Mike, thank you very much. Juliet's how

2118
01:42:04,692 --> 01:42:05,572
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

2119
01:42:06,732 --> 01:42:07,133
Speaker 7: Oh? Hi?

2120
01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:13,532
Speaker 5: Ike has actually covered everything, really, But tennis is unique

2121
01:42:13,652 --> 01:42:17,893
Speaker 5: because you can only really leave your seat when the

2122
01:42:18,173 --> 01:42:23,173
Speaker 5: players change ends, So you can't just get up and

2123
01:42:23,253 --> 01:42:26,333
Speaker 5: bring a child out like you can in a church

2124
01:42:26,612 --> 01:42:33,612
Speaker 5: or at a movie, So you're stuck with them until

2125
01:42:33,692 --> 01:42:37,052
Speaker 5: the players change ends. And I mean, we've seen medical

2126
01:42:37,173 --> 01:42:42,932
Speaker 5: situations and other things that happen, and it does disrupt

2127
01:42:43,013 --> 01:42:46,612
Speaker 5: the match. But you know, I've been to Wimbledon and

2128
01:42:46,772 --> 01:42:49,812
Speaker 5: the Aussie Open, and I've been up at two in

2129
01:42:49,893 --> 01:42:53,972
Speaker 5: the morning still watching, you know, the last of the matches,

2130
01:42:54,173 --> 01:42:57,253
Speaker 5: and some people get a little bit drunk or whatever.

2131
01:42:57,812 --> 01:43:01,293
Speaker 5: But generally speaking, the people that save their money to

2132
01:43:01,412 --> 01:43:07,412
Speaker 5: go to tennis matches are very devoted and it's just

2133
01:43:07,652 --> 01:43:09,692
Speaker 5: too common plex a game.

2134
01:43:10,173 --> 01:43:10,492
Speaker 8: To have.

2135
01:43:12,412 --> 01:43:16,572
Speaker 5: Unpredictable behavior from a child. I'm not blaming the child,

2136
01:43:16,732 --> 01:43:19,932
Speaker 5: but you know, a game can go on for ages

2137
01:43:20,053 --> 01:43:24,012
Speaker 5: if it's got lots of duces, So little Johnny could

2138
01:43:24,053 --> 01:43:29,093
Speaker 5: be screaming for fifteen minutes before the players change ends.

2139
01:43:29,333 --> 01:43:32,532
Speaker 2: So you think, just you think, just don't take a

2140
01:43:32,612 --> 01:43:34,412
Speaker 2: child to the tenis. It's not not the place for

2141
01:43:34,492 --> 01:43:38,452
Speaker 2: a child. It's a young child, yeah, like age under

2142
01:43:39,053 --> 01:43:41,053
Speaker 2: a crying age, Well you can't stop them crying kind

2143
01:43:41,093 --> 01:43:43,772
Speaker 2: of age, yeah, or just knowing that.

2144
01:43:43,893 --> 01:43:46,732
Speaker 5: They have to keep quiet maybe for ten minutes. But

2145
01:43:47,173 --> 01:43:50,772
Speaker 5: it's also if they if you're not understanding the game,

2146
01:43:51,412 --> 01:43:54,133
Speaker 5: it would be boring for a young child. If they

2147
01:43:54,213 --> 01:43:57,253
Speaker 5: could get hot, they could be hungry. I just think

2148
01:43:57,532 --> 01:44:01,372
Speaker 5: once they are old enough to understand it and they

2149
01:44:01,532 --> 01:44:05,013
Speaker 5: love it, then they won't be kicking off in the

2150
01:44:05,093 --> 01:44:06,253
Speaker 5: middle of a match.

2151
01:44:06,973 --> 01:44:09,692
Speaker 2: Now, Juliet, explain to me, because look, I've played a

2152
01:44:09,692 --> 01:44:11,013
Speaker 2: bit of tennis in my time, and I've been to

2153
01:44:11,053 --> 01:44:16,133
Speaker 2: watch tennis, and why is it that tennis needs to

2154
01:44:16,213 --> 01:44:20,692
Speaker 2: be quiet, where say cricket doesn't. So cricket batsman, they

2155
01:44:20,732 --> 01:44:23,173
Speaker 2: seem to be able to play in incredibly loud areas

2156
01:44:23,213 --> 01:44:25,532
Speaker 2: while someone steaming in and bowling at potentially one hundred

2157
01:44:25,532 --> 01:44:27,333
Speaker 2: and fifty kilometers an hour at them. Why is it

2158
01:44:27,893 --> 01:44:29,932
Speaker 2: that tennis needs quiet where other games don't.

2159
01:44:30,893 --> 01:44:33,013
Speaker 5: And I mean I do play into club at a

2160
01:44:33,173 --> 01:44:36,732
Speaker 5: very you know, junior level, but it's something about the

2161
01:44:36,853 --> 01:44:37,813
Speaker 5: ball toss.

2162
01:44:37,853 --> 01:44:39,173
Speaker 4: And just.

2163
01:44:40,893 --> 01:44:44,612
Speaker 5: The rhythm of just like if you're waiting to serve

2164
01:44:45,093 --> 01:44:51,372
Speaker 5: and then some suddenly goes ooh starts hackling yeah, and

2165
01:44:51,492 --> 01:44:54,572
Speaker 5: you're already in motion. It's kind of hard to explain.

2166
01:44:55,293 --> 01:44:58,892
Speaker 5: But then I've played inter club where they've been cutting

2167
01:44:59,053 --> 01:45:04,732
Speaker 5: the grass and it's constant lawnmowers and that's okay because

2168
01:45:04,772 --> 01:45:09,093
Speaker 5: they're going to be twenty minutes doing those lawns. So

2169
01:45:09,253 --> 01:45:13,852
Speaker 5: it's constant noise, but it's sus bellow or a dream.

2170
01:45:14,253 --> 01:45:17,173
Speaker 2: Well do you think that's because Juliet, because it is quiet,

2171
01:45:17,372 --> 01:45:21,652
Speaker 2: So any noise that comes out, as you know, more distracting,

2172
01:45:21,692 --> 01:45:24,333
Speaker 2: as opposed to say at a cricket cricket match where

2173
01:45:24,333 --> 01:45:26,732
Speaker 2: there's just a rumble of noise then the entire time.

2174
01:45:26,732 --> 01:45:30,452
Speaker 2: Although Test matches which are often poorly attended, you'll you'll

2175
01:45:30,532 --> 01:45:33,132
Speaker 2: hear someone yell out, just as as the bowl of bowls.

2176
01:45:33,532 --> 01:45:35,532
Speaker 2: But do you think that's it because because it sticks through.

2177
01:45:35,572 --> 01:45:37,652
Speaker 2: I was when I was at the Tennis and Auckland

2178
01:45:38,093 --> 01:45:43,572
Speaker 2: over the summer when Naomi Osaka was playing. Suddenly this

2179
01:45:43,772 --> 01:45:46,293
Speaker 2: car came down the hill and there was a huge

2180
01:45:46,452 --> 01:45:48,772
Speaker 2: backfire right in the middle of it. I was like,

2181
01:45:49,812 --> 01:45:52,053
Speaker 2: it was you're so close to the motorway there that

2182
01:45:52,173 --> 01:45:53,452
Speaker 2: you can't can't stop that.

2183
01:45:54,492 --> 01:45:58,892
Speaker 5: And there was a champagne cork the other week. I mean, yeah,

2184
01:45:59,013 --> 01:46:02,733
Speaker 5: these things happened, But when you have a squawking child.

2185
01:46:02,692 --> 01:46:05,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, look, Julia, I think I can agree with

2186
01:46:05,772 --> 01:46:07,892
Speaker 2: you on that one. And the person that texted through

2187
01:46:07,933 --> 01:46:10,772
Speaker 2: before and the sort of an example that hit me

2188
01:46:11,372 --> 01:46:13,852
Speaker 2: because something I really care about was I would get

2189
01:46:13,853 --> 01:46:15,452
Speaker 2: annoyed if I'd paid to go to a movie and

2190
01:46:15,532 --> 01:46:17,652
Speaker 2: someone was screaming and you know, a kid was screeching

2191
01:46:17,652 --> 01:46:19,213
Speaker 2: through the movie, and I'd expect someone to walk out.

2192
01:46:19,253 --> 01:46:20,852
Speaker 2: So I try and get that. But Juliet, how do

2193
01:46:20,893 --> 01:46:24,932
Speaker 2: you feel about kids running around cafes and and and such.

2194
01:46:25,933 --> 01:46:31,452
Speaker 5: You're probably talking to the wrong person, because that really

2195
01:46:31,492 --> 01:46:38,293
Speaker 5: annoys me. It also annoys me when I've been in

2196
01:46:38,853 --> 01:46:43,093
Speaker 5: Fiji on holiday and they've got the paws. Sorry, I

2197
01:46:43,293 --> 01:46:46,893
Speaker 5: like cats. They have their hands in the buffet that

2198
01:46:47,253 --> 01:46:50,013
Speaker 5: I want to help myself to my scrambled egg.

2199
01:46:52,532 --> 01:46:54,372
Speaker 2: See, I would never let I would never let my

2200
01:46:54,532 --> 01:46:57,093
Speaker 2: kid get its snotty little paws into the buffet. That

2201
01:46:57,253 --> 01:46:59,213
Speaker 2: is that is too far even, Juliet.

2202
01:47:00,213 --> 01:47:05,692
Speaker 5: Well, I've seen that happen, and yeah, it's not pretty.

2203
01:47:05,812 --> 01:47:10,452
Speaker 5: And that's why buffets can be You know, you can

2204
01:47:10,692 --> 01:47:14,692
Speaker 5: pick up bugs from buffets when jersey hands are climbing

2205
01:47:14,772 --> 01:47:15,213
Speaker 5: into them.

2206
01:47:15,492 --> 01:47:16,652
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much to be called just

2207
01:47:16,652 --> 01:47:20,852
Speaker 2: before you go. Where's your accent from Juliet from Dublin,

2208
01:47:21,173 --> 01:47:24,213
Speaker 2: lovely beautiful voice. Thank you so much, and thank you

2209
01:47:24,293 --> 01:47:26,333
Speaker 2: for sharing your opinion on this. I really appreciate that.

2210
01:47:28,093 --> 01:47:32,572
Speaker 3: Thanks Juliet. What a great call. Coming up next someone

2211
01:47:32,612 --> 01:47:37,213
Speaker 3: who agrees with you, Matt, that it is way tougher

2212
01:47:37,293 --> 01:47:40,053
Speaker 3: now raising children than it's ever been. Her name is Zoe,

2213
01:47:40,173 --> 01:47:41,612
Speaker 3: So we're gonna have a chat to her next. It's

2214
01:47:41,612 --> 01:47:43,612
Speaker 3: going to be good. It is seventeen to four.

2215
01:47:45,013 --> 01:47:49,612
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call,

2216
01:47:49,732 --> 01:47:52,173
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty gen eighty youth talk. Zi.

2217
01:47:53,133 --> 01:47:56,333
Speaker 3: It is a quarter to four, Zoe, very good afternoon

2218
01:47:56,372 --> 01:47:58,173
Speaker 3: to you. So you think there is a bit more

2219
01:47:58,253 --> 01:48:00,892
Speaker 3: intolerance in society now with those with children.

2220
01:48:03,372 --> 01:48:04,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do.

2221
01:48:04,452 --> 01:48:09,372
Speaker 18: I think it's intolerance generally actually, But yeah, I definitely

2222
01:48:09,452 --> 01:48:11,772
Speaker 18: think people people like things the way that they that

2223
01:48:11,893 --> 01:48:14,852
Speaker 18: they like things. But I also think there's probably a

2224
01:48:14,933 --> 01:48:18,932
Speaker 18: reason why we're taking taking our children around and about

2225
01:48:19,013 --> 01:48:22,572
Speaker 18: with us a lot more often than other generations.

2226
01:48:22,093 --> 01:48:22,652
Speaker 8: Might have done.

2227
01:48:23,013 --> 01:48:26,932
Speaker 18: And why is that, Zilli, Well, I feel I guess

2228
01:48:26,933 --> 01:48:29,013
Speaker 18: I feel like when I look around, I've got I'm

2229
01:48:29,053 --> 01:48:32,293
Speaker 18: right at the call face. We've got four teenagers with

2230
01:48:32,532 --> 01:48:34,972
Speaker 18: my husband and I have raised them together. And when

2231
01:48:35,013 --> 01:48:36,492
Speaker 18: I look around at a lot of a lot of

2232
01:48:36,532 --> 01:48:39,772
Speaker 18: the families I know in our community, people just don't

2233
01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:42,372
Speaker 18: often have a lot of the close family or village

2234
01:48:42,412 --> 01:48:45,852
Speaker 18: support that they would have had in other generations and

2235
01:48:45,933 --> 01:48:48,932
Speaker 18: which some cultures still have today. But we're often sort

2236
01:48:48,933 --> 01:48:50,892
Speaker 18: of doing it by ourselves. If we if we want

2237
01:48:50,933 --> 01:48:52,572
Speaker 18: to go and do something and we need babysitting, we

2238
01:48:52,692 --> 01:48:55,732
Speaker 18: have to pay handsomely for it. It's not something that's

2239
01:48:55,772 --> 01:48:59,452
Speaker 18: sort of necessarily just available. So if you, yeah, if

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01:48:59,492 --> 01:49:00,692
Speaker 18: you want to go to a cafe or you want

2241
01:49:00,692 --> 01:49:02,812
Speaker 18: to go and watch sports, then often it is something

2242
01:49:02,893 --> 01:49:03,612
Speaker 18: that the kids.

2243
01:49:03,492 --> 01:49:06,812
Speaker 2: Have to come to Now, I'm not judging anyone or

2244
01:49:06,893 --> 01:49:09,612
Speaker 2: having any say on this, whether it's right or wrong,

2245
01:49:09,772 --> 01:49:12,613
Speaker 2: But do you think that potentially some of the intolerance

2246
01:49:12,652 --> 01:49:15,532
Speaker 2: towards children is that a lot of people are having

2247
01:49:15,612 --> 01:49:19,053
Speaker 2: children later in life, because I feel like since I

2248
01:49:19,173 --> 01:49:22,492
Speaker 2: had killed kids, I remember being one of those the

2249
01:49:22,612 --> 01:49:24,412
Speaker 2: kids that would get annoyed on a plane because some

2250
01:49:24,612 --> 01:49:27,852
Speaker 2: kid was crying, because I just didn't understand that from

2251
01:49:27,893 --> 01:49:30,612
Speaker 2: the parents' perspective, how the parent is going through hell

2252
01:49:30,772 --> 01:49:33,572
Speaker 2: at that point. They're not being selfish to the parent.

2253
01:49:33,652 --> 01:49:35,372
Speaker 2: But when you've got to cry, you've got to take

2254
01:49:35,452 --> 01:49:37,612
Speaker 2: your kid. Maybe you're going to a funeral. Who knows

2255
01:49:37,652 --> 01:49:40,293
Speaker 2: why you have to travel. Sometimes humans have to travel, right,

2256
01:49:40,692 --> 01:49:42,412
Speaker 2: And you've got a care and it's crying on the plane.

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01:49:42,732 --> 01:49:45,732
Speaker 2: And once you've had kids, you are way more tolerant

2258
01:49:45,893 --> 01:49:48,213
Speaker 2: of someone having a crying kid on the plane.

2259
01:49:49,532 --> 01:49:52,652
Speaker 18: Well, I know that my attitude suddenly changed after I

2260
01:49:52,772 --> 01:49:58,133
Speaker 18: had them, compared with before. I remember a friend I

2261
01:49:58,213 --> 01:50:00,013
Speaker 18: said to her afterwards, why didn't you just bring your

2262
01:50:00,053 --> 01:50:06,732
Speaker 18: baby to our wedding? And she said, you wouldn't have understood. No,

2263
01:50:07,093 --> 01:50:09,612
Speaker 18: I think you're on I think definitely onto something there.

2264
01:50:10,652 --> 01:50:12,652
Speaker 18: And we see it. We see it all the time,

2265
01:50:13,173 --> 01:50:15,692
Speaker 18: and we're all changing and learning all the time, aren't we.

2266
01:50:16,013 --> 01:50:18,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that. I mean I can see your

2267
01:50:18,372 --> 01:50:20,772
Speaker 3: nuance there. And let's go back to bringing an infant

2268
01:50:20,893 --> 01:50:23,172
Speaker 3: or a child into a tennis match. I can understand

2269
01:50:23,213 --> 01:50:25,932
Speaker 3: that that if you've got young parents and it's harder

2270
01:50:26,013 --> 01:50:28,293
Speaker 3: now than it's ever been to get that support, they

2271
01:50:28,333 --> 01:50:30,852
Speaker 3: shouldn't be excluded just because their parents. In fact, we

2272
01:50:30,933 --> 01:50:33,372
Speaker 3: should be encouraging people to be parents to have more children,

2273
01:50:33,412 --> 01:50:36,053
Speaker 3: as you say, Matt. But it's that balance, right that

2274
01:50:36,893 --> 01:50:40,492
Speaker 3: then if the child starts misbehaving and being a little

2275
01:50:40,492 --> 01:50:43,852
Speaker 3: bit crazy, then maybe at that point just help them

2276
01:50:43,893 --> 01:50:45,372
Speaker 3: out of the stadium for a couple of minutes.

2277
01:50:46,013 --> 01:50:48,492
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, And I think I would like to think

2278
01:50:48,532 --> 01:50:50,293
Speaker 18: that if I was in that situation, I would have

2279
01:50:50,412 --> 01:50:53,652
Speaker 18: left the stadium of my own choice and come back

2280
01:50:53,652 --> 01:50:55,812
Speaker 18: when the child settled had settled down. I think it's

2281
01:50:55,812 --> 01:50:56,852
Speaker 18: got to come from both ways.

2282
01:50:57,053 --> 01:50:59,093
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's absolutely a bold move, as I

2283
01:50:59,173 --> 01:51:01,253
Speaker 2: keep saying, to take your kid to the tennis, because

2284
01:51:01,572 --> 01:51:03,532
Speaker 2: whether I agree or not, and I don't actually agree

2285
01:51:03,572 --> 01:51:05,732
Speaker 2: that tennis should be quiet and I don't agree, it's

2286
01:51:05,772 --> 01:51:08,692
Speaker 2: a more complicated sport than any other sport. Every orders

2287
01:51:09,053 --> 01:51:14,452
Speaker 2: played to the absolute d degree of skill at some level.

2288
01:51:15,173 --> 01:51:17,293
Speaker 2: But I do think you don't go to the tennis

2289
01:51:17,333 --> 01:51:22,892
Speaker 2: and not know that it's very, very quiet, and having

2290
01:51:22,973 --> 01:51:26,053
Speaker 2: a kid there is a risky business. But I guess

2291
01:51:26,293 --> 01:51:30,452
Speaker 2: I think the intolerance people have for kids at cafes

2292
01:51:30,652 --> 01:51:35,213
Speaker 2: and such, I see that more and more, and you know,

2293
01:51:35,933 --> 01:51:37,732
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good thing. I think, you know,

2294
01:51:37,812 --> 01:51:40,053
Speaker 2: if they're putting the snotty fingers in the buffet, I

2295
01:51:40,133 --> 01:51:42,532
Speaker 2: get it. But if they're just running around having a giggle,

2296
01:51:42,812 --> 01:51:44,092
Speaker 2: grabbing your trouser leg.

2297
01:51:43,973 --> 01:51:44,572
Speaker 1: Then go for it.

2298
01:51:45,213 --> 01:51:46,852
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks so much for your calls, so I really

2299
01:51:46,853 --> 01:51:47,452
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

2300
01:51:47,973 --> 01:51:50,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great call. There's plenty of teachs coming through.

2301
01:51:51,013 --> 01:51:52,612
Speaker 3: But we've got to play some messages. But we'll get

2302
01:51:52,652 --> 01:51:55,692
Speaker 3: to a few more of those. It is eleven minutes

2303
01:51:55,732 --> 01:51:56,053
Speaker 3: to four.

2304
01:51:56,213 --> 01:51:59,293
Speaker 2: A tennis player must have total concentration. Everything is dependent

2305
01:51:59,372 --> 01:52:03,852
Speaker 2: on the player. Cricket not so much, duh, says Margaret.

2306
01:52:03,933 --> 01:52:08,293
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's no cricket. If you're a batsman faith

2307
01:52:08,372 --> 01:52:11,133
Speaker 2: seeing someone bowling a swinging delivery at one hundred and

2308
01:52:11,173 --> 01:52:14,453
Speaker 2: fifty kilometers an hour, you have to have absolute concentration,

2309
01:52:14,732 --> 01:52:18,093
Speaker 2: and it is a team smart sport. Absolutely cricket and

2310
01:52:18,173 --> 01:52:20,173
Speaker 2: I know a bit about the sport. You did team sport,

2311
01:52:20,253 --> 01:52:23,093
Speaker 2: but at that point it's actually an individual sport. It's

2312
01:52:23,173 --> 01:52:27,452
Speaker 2: you versus the bowler, and cricket players seem to be

2313
01:52:27,492 --> 01:52:32,333
Speaker 2: able to play in quadrons of screaming and yelling and

2314
01:52:32,452 --> 01:52:34,132
Speaker 2: abuse and cheering and singing.

2315
01:52:34,293 --> 01:52:35,053
Speaker 3: We can agree on that.

2316
01:52:35,213 --> 01:52:39,372
Speaker 1: It is ten to four the big stories, the big issues,

2317
01:52:39,612 --> 01:52:42,732
Speaker 1: the big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and

2318
01:52:42,853 --> 01:52:45,932
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams Afternoons used TALKSB.

2319
01:52:46,933 --> 01:52:49,253
Speaker 3: News talks there B. It is seven to four. A

2320
01:52:49,333 --> 01:52:51,732
Speaker 3: couple of texts to wrap this one up, guys, I agree.

2321
01:52:51,772 --> 01:52:54,213
Speaker 3: It sounds like she was being up at the tennis

2322
01:52:54,293 --> 01:52:56,972
Speaker 3: player that said I did kick up a fuss when

2323
01:52:57,053 --> 01:53:00,333
Speaker 3: my Auntie Jewels wouldn't remove my screaming cousin while I

2324
01:53:00,452 --> 01:53:03,213
Speaker 3: was concentrating super hard to remove a knee bone and

2325
01:53:03,333 --> 01:53:04,853
Speaker 3: a game of operation.

2326
01:53:04,732 --> 01:53:07,333
Speaker 2: On now it's god in a game of operation. That

2327
01:53:07,492 --> 01:53:08,133
Speaker 2: is the key point.

2328
01:53:08,412 --> 01:53:09,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't have a screaming cab when you play

2329
01:53:09,933 --> 01:53:10,372
Speaker 3: an operation.

2330
01:53:10,572 --> 01:53:13,492
Speaker 2: I thought she had that. The kid and the operation.

2331
01:53:13,652 --> 01:53:16,093
Speaker 2: This is a surgeon, boys, My Mum once said, kids

2332
01:53:16,253 --> 01:53:18,293
Speaker 2: like horses. When they are young, they need to be

2333
01:53:18,412 --> 01:53:20,772
Speaker 2: corralled in a bar and looked after and trained at

2334
01:53:20,853 --> 01:53:23,372
Speaker 2: the same time, knowing where the boundaries are. As they

2335
01:53:23,412 --> 01:53:25,572
Speaker 2: get older, they can move to a ring to continue

2336
01:53:25,612 --> 01:53:28,412
Speaker 2: their training, but still knowing where their boundaries are. Then,

2337
01:53:28,532 --> 01:53:30,412
Speaker 2: when they are older, they can move to a paddock

2338
01:53:30,452 --> 01:53:33,612
Speaker 2: to experience more what life offers, until one day you

2339
01:53:33,772 --> 01:53:35,572
Speaker 2: leave the gate open and let them run free. This

2340
01:53:35,692 --> 01:53:38,652
Speaker 2: is beautiful knowing that each part of their life there

2341
01:53:38,692 --> 01:53:40,293
Speaker 2: are rules and boundaries. It's beautiful.

2342
01:53:40,412 --> 01:53:40,932
Speaker 3: Smart mum.

2343
01:53:41,133 --> 01:53:43,772
Speaker 2: John the Stexas says, Matt, you're a muppet and I

2344
01:53:43,853 --> 01:53:46,532
Speaker 2: know you're just saying stuff to annoy people. I've followed

2345
01:53:46,532 --> 01:53:48,692
Speaker 2: your career and you sometimes do this. I believe you

2346
01:53:48,772 --> 01:53:50,133
Speaker 2: have a lot of time for kids, but at the

2347
01:53:50,213 --> 01:53:52,532
Speaker 2: tennis you know you're pushing it. As I said, you're

2348
01:53:52,532 --> 01:53:52,932
Speaker 2: a muppet.

2349
01:53:52,973 --> 01:53:54,812
Speaker 3: But I love the show two Muppets in there.

2350
01:53:55,572 --> 01:53:57,052
Speaker 2: I had three more arms and another ten.

2351
01:53:58,492 --> 01:54:00,412
Speaker 3: And one more guys. I live on Wayhaki and the

2352
01:54:00,452 --> 01:54:03,772
Speaker 3: amount of kids I see being dragged along the on

2353
01:54:03,853 --> 01:54:06,572
Speaker 3: a tonguey straight from one vineyard to another is so

2354
01:54:06,853 --> 01:54:09,132
Speaker 3: boring for the kids. By the time to last vineyard.

2355
01:54:09,173 --> 01:54:12,333
Speaker 3: The kids have completely and understandably lost the plot. So

2356
01:54:12,492 --> 01:54:15,053
Speaker 3: this is on the parents to seriously think if it

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Speaker 3: is a good idea to bring your kids to a

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Speaker 3: vineyard while you're drinking that lovely pinon from Maria.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, well drink enough pan and warre

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Speaker 2: and you become a screaming child. So nicely said join

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Speaker 2: the party. Yeah right, thank you very much. What a

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Speaker 2: great show today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I'll tell you what you know. I get

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Speaker 2: a lot of abuse on the show and I love

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Speaker 2: it and enjoy it. One n eighty ten eighty, Tell

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Speaker 2: me what you think, you thrive on it. But saying

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Speaker 2: that I believe that children are a future, treat them

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Speaker 2: well and let them lead the way. It was just

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Speaker 2: the thing that really got people annoyed, and it just

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Speaker 2: to me, it just sort of proves that this little

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Speaker 2: a little bit of anti child sentiment out there.

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Speaker 7: Mark.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you so much for listening to the show,

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01:54:58,693 --> 01:55:00,972
Speaker 2: and thanks for all your calls and text. The full

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast will be out in an

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Speaker 2: hour or so. If you missed our chats on what

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Speaker 2: Auckland needs to get humming and the Sea Lives of

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Speaker 2: Private Eyes. That was a great chat. Then follow our

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Speaker 2: Potter your pod Tyler, Why would I be playing this

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Speaker 2: song from Whitney Houston.

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Speaker 3: Creates love of All? Is it something about the children

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Speaker 3: are our future?

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Speaker 2: They are titled let them Scream at the tennis, let

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Speaker 2: them put their snotty fingers in the buffet and Fiji,

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01:55:29,772 --> 01:55:30,693
Speaker 2: let them run a Mars.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful song and beautiful sentiments. Thank you very much, as.

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Speaker 2: I say, thank you so much for listening to the

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Speaker 2: show here the duplasy Ellen will be up next with

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Speaker 2: all all the coverage you need on the Chloe Schwarbrook

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01:55:44,453 --> 01:55:50,733
Speaker 2: situation in Parliament until tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste

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Speaker 2: of ki we a from me and Tyler. All right, Dan,

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Speaker 2: love you, we.

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Speaker 1: Can take.

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Speaker 2: Be It's happened, I.

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Speaker 1: Maddie and Tyler Adams For more from News Talks at

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Speaker 1: b listen live on air or online, and keep our

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