1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Big Geking and Britain for the Tories as the party 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: members after a three month process involving the party in Pays, 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: decided who's going to lead them. Kimy bed Knocks taking 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: them to the Promised Land. Allegedly she's the sixth leader 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: of nine years. Rod Little's with us, Rod, very good 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: morning to you. Kimmy Bedknock, as we discussed last Thursday, 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily a surprise. Is she a placeholder or potentially 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: one of the greats? 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: That's the interesting question and well done, well done. What 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: the people who supported her are tried to say is 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: that she will buck history by being the real one 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: who will take the Conservatives to the next extra and 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: win it. Of course history is against her. What tends 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: to happen when a big party is picked out of 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: powers that they go through two or three leaders before 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: they can agree upon one who the public likes. But 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: there is the suspicion with Kenny Badenoch that the public 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: will like her. She is fourth right, perhaps two fourth rights. Sometimes. 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: The most the guard you get on her to do 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: her down today was to say she doesn't say thank 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: you very often, and there is a question about her humility. 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: And her abrasiveness. But those were all things which, as 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: the tours will tell you, were leveled at Margaret Thatcher 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: when she exceeded to power in the mid to late 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies and went on to win a landslide election. 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: I think she is a very very good choice, and 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: I think she's been I've been a kind of leader 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: in waiting for a couple of years now. Already the 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: Labor Party has got itself in trouble with Dawn Butler, 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: one Labor MPs saying that she is a blackface white supremacist. 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: This is from a party which has never had a 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: black leader, never had a female leader, you know. And 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: this all does play a little bit with the public. 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: How much of her success depends on her driving her 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: party more or to the right or the conservative end 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: of the spectrum, versus Labor being in it. 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: An awful lot about winning the next selection depends upon 38 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: Labor being inept, and she will have to hope that 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: Labor continue being in apt blduce. They've certainly been that 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: for the first three or four months of the of 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: their reign. She will hope that they will continue to 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: do that. I'm not sure it's dragging the party to 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: the right terribly much. In some ways, she's quite a 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: pro leveling up politician. She does appeal to the red 45 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: wall there are on the on the social issues, on 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: the conservative kind of social issues of transgenderism, race and 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 2: all that stuff. She is very very firmly on the right, 48 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: but then so is the large majority of the British public, 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: so I don't think that's a huge problem for her. 50 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: What will be a problem is sniping amongst the conservative 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: MPs who are in there, especially the left wing MPs 52 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: such as people like Christopher Chope, who, shortly before she 53 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: won her contest against Robert Jenrick, said that she would 54 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: spend too much time with her children rather than leading 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: the party. That's the level of opposition she's facing at 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: the moment, and I don't think she will give it 57 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: much mind. 58 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: Grad So I catch up with you tomorrow. IROD appreciate 59 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: it very much. Rod little out of the UK for 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: us this morning. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks it'd be from six am weekdays, 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.