1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,627 Speaker 1: from Newstalks Ed. 3 00:00:11,707 --> 00:00:15,427 Speaker 2: B'm a Wallaby, Brendan Cannon, Good to see you, mate, 4 00:00:15,427 --> 00:00:16,387 Speaker 2: How are you I going? 5 00:00:16,427 --> 00:00:18,907 Speaker 3: Well? I'm very excited game day. 6 00:00:18,947 --> 00:00:22,867 Speaker 4: You still get the juice's flowing, sweaty palms, and I 7 00:00:22,907 --> 00:00:26,147 Speaker 4: think it's an interesting afternoon for both teams. This afternoon. 8 00:00:26,747 --> 00:00:29,587 Speaker 4: High anticipation on the Wallaby side of things, and I 9 00:00:29,747 --> 00:00:31,667 Speaker 4: sense a little bit of nervousness from. 10 00:00:31,507 --> 00:00:32,787 Speaker 5: The Kiwis do you really? 11 00:00:33,787 --> 00:00:36,707 Speaker 4: I do? I do a sense of vulnerability that I 12 00:00:36,747 --> 00:00:39,267 Speaker 4: haven't seen for a long time, and it's a damn shame. 13 00:00:39,347 --> 00:00:40,667 Speaker 3: But that's what life's all about. 14 00:00:40,747 --> 00:00:44,067 Speaker 4: You've got to be vulnerable to grow and maybe this 15 00:00:44,107 --> 00:00:46,667 Speaker 4: afternoon that vulnerability could be exposed. 16 00:00:46,747 --> 00:00:49,227 Speaker 5: Well. I love that. It seems like you've been working 17 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:50,147 Speaker 5: on that for a while. 18 00:00:50,667 --> 00:00:52,307 Speaker 3: Twenty three years. 19 00:00:53,827 --> 00:00:55,907 Speaker 5: You've been along with you and been How are you mate? 20 00:00:55,987 --> 00:00:56,587 Speaker 3: Living the dream? 21 00:00:56,627 --> 00:00:57,507 Speaker 5: Happy to be here now? 22 00:00:57,507 --> 00:01:00,267 Speaker 2: You were born the year after the Wallaby's last week 23 00:01:00,307 --> 00:01:01,507 Speaker 2: the All Blacks here at Eden Park. 24 00:01:01,587 --> 00:01:04,467 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm one of the great mocks that will 25 00:01:04,867 --> 00:01:07,907 Speaker 6: be put on any sporting side. So yeah, last time 26 00:01:07,907 --> 00:01:09,827 Speaker 6: we won here was eighty six I was born in 27 00:01:09,867 --> 00:01:13,427 Speaker 6: eighty seven. Okay, last premiership the Mighty Paramatter Eels one 28 00:01:13,507 --> 00:01:17,427 Speaker 6: was eighty six as well, so I don't get a 29 00:01:16,827 --> 00:01:20,427 Speaker 6: lot of joy. But we're hoping, hoping to break a 30 00:01:20,467 --> 00:01:21,987 Speaker 6: record tonight with history. 31 00:01:22,067 --> 00:01:23,987 Speaker 5: Britton. You know what it's like to win the Bleeder 32 00:01:24,027 --> 00:01:24,587 Speaker 5: Slow Cup? 33 00:01:24,827 --> 00:01:25,027 Speaker 3: Yes? 34 00:01:25,187 --> 00:01:26,827 Speaker 5: What is it like to win the Bleeder Slow Cup? 35 00:01:27,107 --> 00:01:29,227 Speaker 4: Well twenty three years ago when we last held it, 36 00:01:29,227 --> 00:01:32,227 Speaker 4: so two thousand and two. I think we beat an 37 00:01:32,227 --> 00:01:36,787 Speaker 4: antin Oliver captain lad Side at Carrasbrook and it was 38 00:01:36,787 --> 00:01:39,307 Speaker 4: a great eraror for the Wallabies back then and we 39 00:01:39,347 --> 00:01:41,707 Speaker 4: were just talking offline which before about how close it 40 00:01:41,747 --> 00:01:42,467 Speaker 4: was between. 41 00:01:42,187 --> 00:01:42,947 Speaker 3: The two sides. 42 00:01:43,707 --> 00:01:45,987 Speaker 4: It was really just on the day who got a 43 00:01:46,067 --> 00:01:48,427 Speaker 4: rubber the green. To a degree, there's probably been a 44 00:01:48,507 --> 00:01:51,427 Speaker 4: fairly significant void in recent years between the All Blacks 45 00:01:51,427 --> 00:01:53,947 Speaker 4: and the Wallowies. But I think the way the Wallabies 46 00:01:53,987 --> 00:01:57,187 Speaker 4: have played this year has generated a level of interest 47 00:01:57,227 --> 00:01:59,427 Speaker 4: which has been missing for a while, which but I 48 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:02,627 Speaker 4: think is good for rugby internationally. But in terms of 49 00:02:02,627 --> 00:02:05,467 Speaker 4: the Bledders though, I didn't think in two thousand and 50 00:02:05,507 --> 00:02:07,627 Speaker 4: two when we had it that if we did lose 51 00:02:07,627 --> 00:02:11,347 Speaker 4: it it would take twenty three years and counting before 52 00:02:11,387 --> 00:02:12,867 Speaker 4: we even looked like we were a chance to get 53 00:02:12,907 --> 00:02:14,707 Speaker 4: it back. So twenty three years is a long time. 54 00:02:15,347 --> 00:02:18,907 Speaker 4: There's generations of austrange children that have grown up that 55 00:02:18,987 --> 00:02:20,827 Speaker 4: have no idea what the blidder the cup looks like. 56 00:02:21,267 --> 00:02:22,507 Speaker 4: Hopefully that changes today. 57 00:02:22,627 --> 00:02:24,307 Speaker 2: Well, the line I've been using most of the week 58 00:02:24,427 --> 00:02:26,587 Speaker 2: is that no one's ever posted on social media that 59 00:02:26,627 --> 00:02:28,627 Speaker 2: the Wallabs have won the blitter Slow Cup because they 60 00:02:28,667 --> 00:02:29,347 Speaker 2: arrived all about it? 61 00:02:29,387 --> 00:02:29,467 Speaker 3: You? 62 00:02:29,587 --> 00:02:30,667 Speaker 5: Oh five O six been? 63 00:02:31,267 --> 00:02:33,987 Speaker 2: Is it a source of frustration for Australian rugby fans 64 00:02:33,987 --> 00:02:35,507 Speaker 2: that it has been over here for so long? 65 00:02:35,587 --> 00:02:39,867 Speaker 6: Oh? Look, I think we've moved well beyond frustration and 66 00:02:39,907 --> 00:02:42,907 Speaker 6: now we're just living in desperate sort of hope. I mean, 67 00:02:42,987 --> 00:02:45,107 Speaker 6: the last time we had her, I remember I would 68 00:02:45,107 --> 00:02:46,547 Speaker 6: have been sitting at home with the old man watching 69 00:02:46,587 --> 00:02:49,907 Speaker 6: this bloat lifted above us, lifted above his head. 70 00:02:49,987 --> 00:02:51,427 Speaker 5: So you know, I do. 71 00:02:51,587 --> 00:02:54,427 Speaker 6: I do agree with cano though definitely, you know, starting 72 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:57,027 Speaker 6: rugby's feeling a lot better these days over there. 73 00:02:57,027 --> 00:02:58,347 Speaker 5: I think it was a great lines tour. 74 00:02:58,987 --> 00:03:01,347 Speaker 6: There's a lot of positivity about the team at the moment, 75 00:03:01,387 --> 00:03:05,507 Speaker 6: and the All Blacks definitely look vulnerable and looking forward 76 00:03:05,547 --> 00:03:07,427 Speaker 6: to uh hopefully bringing it back home to where it 77 00:03:07,427 --> 00:03:08,027 Speaker 6: belongs now. 78 00:03:08,067 --> 00:03:10,147 Speaker 2: Apart from the rugby, of course, you usually are here 79 00:03:10,187 --> 00:03:11,507 Speaker 2: for business reasons as well. 80 00:03:11,547 --> 00:03:12,827 Speaker 5: So what has brought you across. 81 00:03:13,547 --> 00:03:16,427 Speaker 6: We are own a company over here called Traffic Management 82 00:03:16,467 --> 00:03:19,547 Speaker 6: New Zealand. So it's the largest traffic management company across 83 00:03:19,587 --> 00:03:22,947 Speaker 6: the country and yeah where we bought it a couple 84 00:03:22,947 --> 00:03:24,747 Speaker 6: of years ago. And we're delighted to be here and 85 00:03:25,347 --> 00:03:27,907 Speaker 6: been very very well, warmly welcomed by the kiwi's. 86 00:03:29,187 --> 00:03:31,627 Speaker 4: I've loved working for the Aultist group that owned this 87 00:03:31,627 --> 00:03:35,307 Speaker 4: Traffic Management Management New Zealand business because whilst I used 88 00:03:35,307 --> 00:03:37,427 Speaker 4: to come here with the rugby tours, I've gone to 89 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:39,587 Speaker 4: parts of New Zealand that I never went to on 90 00:03:39,667 --> 00:03:47,067 Speaker 4: rugby tours. I've been to Gisbon, be Anga nice like 91 00:03:47,427 --> 00:03:49,747 Speaker 4: we're trying to sort of get the local language to 92 00:03:50,107 --> 00:03:50,987 Speaker 4: roll off the Aussie ton. 93 00:03:51,227 --> 00:03:53,787 Speaker 2: So you've got but you've got business interests in Australia 94 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:56,067 Speaker 2: as well, part of your part of your empire. 95 00:03:56,427 --> 00:03:58,187 Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it an empire. 96 00:03:58,227 --> 00:04:00,787 Speaker 6: I'm just a humble traffic controller from Western Sydney out 97 00:04:00,787 --> 00:04:02,547 Speaker 6: there doing his best, trying to find a. 98 00:04:02,547 --> 00:04:02,947 Speaker 3: Way through it. 99 00:04:02,947 --> 00:04:06,107 Speaker 6: But yeah, we own and operate the largest traffic management 100 00:04:06,107 --> 00:04:07,587 Speaker 6: coming across his go in New Zealand. 101 00:04:07,627 --> 00:04:08,187 Speaker 5: So wonderful. 102 00:04:08,347 --> 00:04:10,307 Speaker 6: I'm delighted to be here and looking forward to a 103 00:04:10,347 --> 00:04:13,587 Speaker 6: good afternoon with Brendan and Kevy and a couple of 104 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:14,267 Speaker 6: clients as well. 105 00:04:14,427 --> 00:04:16,627 Speaker 5: So Kevin, Kevin me Alarma, you've got the great man 106 00:04:16,707 --> 00:04:17,827 Speaker 5: joining you from Young lad. 107 00:04:17,947 --> 00:04:20,947 Speaker 4: Also last year we had Kevy involved with us at 108 00:04:20,947 --> 00:04:23,627 Speaker 4: the Wellington Test and at that time he was the 109 00:04:23,707 --> 00:04:26,827 Speaker 4: third most cap. He's now the fourth most cap because 110 00:04:26,907 --> 00:04:30,707 Speaker 4: I think Boden Barratt's passed him. But it's quite amazing 111 00:04:30,787 --> 00:04:34,027 Speaker 4: for to walk the streets towards a rugby venue with 112 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:36,627 Speaker 4: a guy like Kevin Mirelama, who is not just New 113 00:04:36,707 --> 00:04:39,987 Speaker 4: Zealand Royalty, but he's he's International Rugby Royalty. One of 114 00:04:39,987 --> 00:04:42,747 Speaker 4: the nicest, nicest guys that you could ever ever meet, 115 00:04:44,067 --> 00:04:48,907 Speaker 4: unashamingly humble, you know, very very strong with family and religion. 116 00:04:49,307 --> 00:04:52,147 Speaker 4: But he'll be a superstar this afternoon for us. He 117 00:04:52,267 --> 00:04:54,747 Speaker 4: stops and talks with absolutely every man. He should be 118 00:04:54,787 --> 00:05:02,027 Speaker 4: a politicians. Come on, mate, we're running late. I've got 119 00:05:02,027 --> 00:05:02,947 Speaker 4: to talk to everyone. 120 00:05:02,667 --> 00:05:04,787 Speaker 5: So I know you're right. He never turns down a 121 00:05:04,787 --> 00:05:08,947 Speaker 5: handshaker or a request for a photo. What was it 122 00:05:08,987 --> 00:05:10,867 Speaker 5: like tackling Jonah Wow? 123 00:05:11,147 --> 00:05:13,267 Speaker 3: Okay, so I it was really interesting. 124 00:05:13,267 --> 00:05:15,987 Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety four I played in an Ossie twenty 125 00:05:16,027 --> 00:05:18,267 Speaker 4: one side against the Kiwi twenty one side that had 126 00:05:18,827 --> 00:05:22,427 Speaker 4: Justin Marshall, Andrew Mertins, Tane Randell like it was the 127 00:05:22,467 --> 00:05:25,227 Speaker 4: next era of the Albacks, and a guy called Jonahloma 128 00:05:25,627 --> 00:05:28,787 Speaker 4: So that was pre ninety ninety five where he blew 129 00:05:28,827 --> 00:05:32,227 Speaker 4: the world away. We used to it was almost like 130 00:05:32,307 --> 00:05:35,787 Speaker 4: comedy sessions when we'd do postgame reviews after you'd played 131 00:05:35,787 --> 00:05:38,787 Speaker 4: a team with Jonahlomi in because we, as as Ossie 132 00:05:38,827 --> 00:05:41,227 Speaker 4: rugby players, took great delight in watching anyone in the 133 00:05:41,227 --> 00:05:43,987 Speaker 4: team get absolutely pulverized by him and the way in 134 00:05:43,987 --> 00:05:47,067 Speaker 4: which their body would contort into all these weird shapes 135 00:05:47,107 --> 00:05:50,747 Speaker 4: and sizes. So we would also be laughing on the 136 00:05:50,747 --> 00:05:54,227 Speaker 4: field like just you couldn't stop him. He was and 137 00:05:54,387 --> 00:05:58,147 Speaker 4: freak sometimes can be not a great adjective to describe someone, 138 00:05:58,187 --> 00:06:01,307 Speaker 4: but he was unbelievable. If you went into a laboratory 139 00:06:01,747 --> 00:06:03,867 Speaker 4: and said I need a bit of size, I need 140 00:06:03,867 --> 00:06:05,627 Speaker 4: a bit of speed, I need a bit of someone 141 00:06:05,627 --> 00:06:09,347 Speaker 4: that loves content, someone that loves running into people. Jonah 142 00:06:09,427 --> 00:06:13,387 Speaker 4: Lomi was like the perfect stereotype or proto type of 143 00:06:13,387 --> 00:06:14,067 Speaker 4: a rugby player. 144 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:14,667 Speaker 3: Phenomenal. 145 00:06:14,827 --> 00:06:15,227 Speaker 5: I love that. 146 00:06:15,267 --> 00:06:15,787 Speaker 3: Phenomenal. 147 00:06:15,827 --> 00:06:18,307 Speaker 5: What an explanation, all right been? So how are you feeling? 148 00:06:18,467 --> 00:06:21,507 Speaker 2: Where would you place your level of optimism about this afternoon? 149 00:06:22,787 --> 00:06:25,507 Speaker 6: Marginally higher than when it's been for the last ten years. 150 00:06:25,587 --> 00:06:27,947 Speaker 6: I mean every time I come into it with any hope, 151 00:06:27,987 --> 00:06:31,507 Speaker 6: I end up walking away bitterly disappointed. But I think, yeah, 152 00:06:31,547 --> 00:06:35,627 Speaker 6: off the back of a really strong lines to a 153 00:06:35,667 --> 00:06:37,867 Speaker 6: pretty average lead in for the All Blacks, I mean, 154 00:06:37,907 --> 00:06:40,747 Speaker 6: if there's ever a time I feel like this is 155 00:06:40,787 --> 00:06:41,387 Speaker 6: the one. 156 00:06:41,347 --> 00:06:46,467 Speaker 4: So yeah, optimistic. We've obviously been through a fairly long 157 00:06:46,507 --> 00:06:51,147 Speaker 4: and protracted period of non success in Australian rugby, so 158 00:06:51,867 --> 00:06:53,587 Speaker 4: we take a little bit of a delight in the 159 00:06:53,627 --> 00:06:56,507 Speaker 4: fact that there's uncomfortability in the Kiwi scene at the moment. 160 00:06:57,587 --> 00:07:01,907 Speaker 4: That second half against the spring Box recently was phenomenal 161 00:07:02,587 --> 00:07:04,667 Speaker 4: for the spring Box, not so much for the All Blacks. 162 00:07:05,387 --> 00:07:07,547 Speaker 4: The Wallabies had a half football against the Springboks in 163 00:07:07,587 --> 00:07:10,707 Speaker 4: Johannesburg which you got the rugby world to step up 164 00:07:10,747 --> 00:07:12,507 Speaker 4: and sit up and go Wow, this Wallaby side has 165 00:07:12,547 --> 00:07:15,427 Speaker 4: got some potential. So I think this afternoon, I don't 166 00:07:15,427 --> 00:07:17,467 Speaker 4: think we've got our stronger side. I think Will Skelton 167 00:07:17,467 --> 00:07:20,627 Speaker 4: being out is a big loss and it's a shame 168 00:07:20,667 --> 00:07:23,347 Speaker 4: that he's not available till next week. He has such 169 00:07:23,347 --> 00:07:24,947 Speaker 4: a presence and I think we saw the influence he 170 00:07:25,027 --> 00:07:27,827 Speaker 4: had in that line series. So I don't think we've 171 00:07:27,827 --> 00:07:30,707 Speaker 4: got our stronger side. I think it will be incredibly competitive, 172 00:07:31,307 --> 00:07:33,947 Speaker 4: but I do hope that that vulnerability. I think Gilbert 173 00:07:34,067 --> 00:07:37,987 Speaker 4: and Artica the former yes it's the former site coach 174 00:07:38,027 --> 00:07:39,467 Speaker 4: for the All Blacks who no longer is with them. 175 00:07:39,507 --> 00:07:41,187 Speaker 4: I think you will miss him because I think the 176 00:07:41,267 --> 00:07:45,107 Speaker 4: vulnerability and the skeletons and the anguish of years gone 177 00:07:45,107 --> 00:07:47,867 Speaker 4: by could be exposed this afternoon, Eden Park. 178 00:07:48,307 --> 00:07:50,147 Speaker 5: How many cans of beer going the Bleislote? 179 00:07:50,387 --> 00:07:52,987 Speaker 3: Do you know? The nor It's a tough. 180 00:07:52,787 --> 00:07:56,027 Speaker 5: One twenty, its quickly empty. 181 00:07:56,787 --> 00:07:58,667 Speaker 4: It's north of twenty and you need a couple of 182 00:07:58,707 --> 00:08:00,307 Speaker 4: blokes to hold it because it carries a fair bit 183 00:08:00,347 --> 00:08:03,867 Speaker 4: of weight. But it's a magnificent piece of silverware. It 184 00:08:03,947 --> 00:08:07,067 Speaker 4: means a lot between the two countries, and obviously whoever 185 00:08:07,107 --> 00:08:10,387 Speaker 4: gets it gets boasting rights. But it stops stops the 186 00:08:10,467 --> 00:08:13,547 Speaker 4: rugby nation between Australia New Zealand anytime the bledders those on. 187 00:08:14,347 --> 00:08:16,147 Speaker 4: I hope that we get to touch it or get 188 00:08:16,187 --> 00:08:18,147 Speaker 4: close to it, but you've got to earn the right 189 00:08:18,187 --> 00:08:20,027 Speaker 4: and the Wallabies have got to play well this afternoon. 190 00:08:20,187 --> 00:08:21,587 Speaker 2: Man, it's been great to chat to you guys. Have 191 00:08:21,627 --> 00:08:23,347 Speaker 2: an awesome afternoon with giving me a lama. I know 192 00:08:23,427 --> 00:08:23,787 Speaker 2: you will. 193 00:08:23,867 --> 00:08:26,387 Speaker 5: We will and enjoy the game regardless of what happens. 194 00:08:26,507 --> 00:08:29,187 Speaker 4: Can we get a Kiwi commentator to sort of align 195 00:08:29,227 --> 00:08:32,907 Speaker 4: with us and join into a go the Wallabies chat? 196 00:08:33,227 --> 00:08:34,067 Speaker 5: Not right now? 197 00:08:34,427 --> 00:08:35,587 Speaker 3: Right now? Off line? 198 00:08:35,587 --> 00:08:39,707 Speaker 5: All right, I can't have a revitation on the linel. 199 00:08:40,827 --> 00:08:44,027 Speaker 2: Great to see your voice, bring again and Venus from 200 00:08:44,227 --> 00:08:45,507 Speaker 2: Traffic Management New Zealand. 201 00:08:45,547 --> 00:08:46,387 Speaker 5: Great dear of your longs. 202 00:08:46,947 --> 00:08:50,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Faine, listen live 203 00:08:50,227 --> 00:08:53,507 Speaker 1: to News Talk said Be weekends from midday, or follow 204 00:08:53,547 --> 00:08:55,107 Speaker 1: the podcast on Ihard Radio.