1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:11,773 Speaker 1: from News Talks at. 3 00:00:11,693 --> 00:00:15,733 Speaker 2: Be a brand new telling of a story that we 4 00:00:15,813 --> 00:00:18,533 Speaker 2: hold very, very daily here in New Zealand. Lord of 5 00:00:18,573 --> 00:00:22,173 Speaker 2: the Rings The Rings of Power had an estimated twenty 6 00:00:22,173 --> 00:00:25,533 Speaker 2: five million people tune in for its season one premiere. 7 00:00:25,973 --> 00:00:28,733 Speaker 2: The series is set thousands of years before the events 8 00:00:28,773 --> 00:00:32,213 Speaker 2: depicted in the Tolkien novels, and in it Middle Earth's 9 00:00:32,333 --> 00:00:36,493 Speaker 2: infamous villain, previously immortalized by Peter Jackson as a giant 10 00:00:36,573 --> 00:00:40,573 Speaker 2: burning eye, and habits a human body for the first time. 11 00:00:41,053 --> 00:00:44,693 Speaker 2: Season two has now landed in Star of Rings of Power. 12 00:00:44,813 --> 00:00:46,533 Speaker 2: Charlie Vickers is with us this morning. 13 00:00:46,573 --> 00:00:49,893 Speaker 3: Calder, Good morning, Koler, good morning. Thank you for having me. 14 00:00:50,253 --> 00:00:52,573 Speaker 2: It is a real pleasure to be speaking with you. 15 00:00:52,653 --> 00:00:56,333 Speaker 2: And I think we can safely assume that everyone is 16 00:00:56,413 --> 00:00:58,813 Speaker 2: up to speed with season one. So if you haven't 17 00:00:58,853 --> 00:01:01,493 Speaker 2: watched season one yet, let's just tell you right now 18 00:01:01,573 --> 00:01:04,453 Speaker 2: there are going to be some spoilers. The last episode 19 00:01:04,813 --> 00:01:08,493 Speaker 2: of season one an extraordinary moment. So all seasons you've 20 00:01:08,493 --> 00:01:12,773 Speaker 2: been playing playing hell Brand, a charismatic king, in that 21 00:01:12,933 --> 00:01:16,493 Speaker 2: last episode an extraordinary twist that turns out your character 22 00:01:16,893 --> 00:01:19,533 Speaker 2: was actually Sourn. Just tell us about it. Tell us 23 00:01:19,533 --> 00:01:21,573 Speaker 2: about how they broke the news to you. Was it 24 00:01:21,613 --> 00:01:23,813 Speaker 2: the writers, was it the showrunners? When did you find 25 00:01:23,853 --> 00:01:24,973 Speaker 2: out that would be your role? 26 00:01:25,893 --> 00:01:28,733 Speaker 4: The showrunners told me at the start of the third 27 00:01:28,813 --> 00:01:29,973 Speaker 4: episode of filming. 28 00:01:30,053 --> 00:01:33,693 Speaker 3: So I filmed the first two episodes of the show. 29 00:01:33,613 --> 00:01:36,373 Speaker 4: And not knowing I was playing souron and then we 30 00:01:36,573 --> 00:01:39,173 Speaker 4: just finished a hiatus because of COVID and they called 31 00:01:39,173 --> 00:01:43,413 Speaker 4: me in to their office in Henderson and they said, 32 00:01:44,573 --> 00:01:48,533 Speaker 4: your So it turns out that ol Brand is sour 33 00:01:49,613 --> 00:01:52,213 Speaker 4: And then that was a mind blowing moment that I 34 00:01:52,253 --> 00:01:55,333 Speaker 4: then had to try and I was left reeling in 35 00:01:55,373 --> 00:01:55,853 Speaker 4: a good way. 36 00:01:55,893 --> 00:01:56,853 Speaker 3: I was very excited. 37 00:01:56,933 --> 00:02:01,133 Speaker 2: So presumably this was a deliberate move on behalf of 38 00:02:01,133 --> 00:02:03,133 Speaker 2: the showrunners. They wanted you to think that you were 39 00:02:03,133 --> 00:02:07,533 Speaker 2: playing hell Brand, everything was normal, and then they were like, hey, Charlie, 40 00:02:07,933 --> 00:02:09,533 Speaker 2: guess what psych. 41 00:02:11,253 --> 00:02:11,613 Speaker 3: I think? 42 00:02:11,693 --> 00:02:13,533 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think they must have wanted me for those 43 00:02:13,573 --> 00:02:17,773 Speaker 4: opening scenes to not think I was playing Sourn. So 44 00:02:17,813 --> 00:02:20,493 Speaker 4: therefore it'd be impossible for me to do any kind 45 00:02:20,533 --> 00:02:25,773 Speaker 4: of sign posting about like the potential evil beneath Albrand, 46 00:02:25,893 --> 00:02:29,533 Speaker 4: you know, Halbrand. But I was kind of the issue 47 00:02:29,573 --> 00:02:32,853 Speaker 4: with that was. I'd auditioned playing Satan from Paradise Lost 48 00:02:32,973 --> 00:02:35,293 Speaker 4: and Bridge at the third, so I kind of had 49 00:02:35,333 --> 00:02:39,013 Speaker 4: an inkling that there was something more to halbrand Ah. 50 00:02:39,133 --> 00:02:42,453 Speaker 2: That's interesting. You actually you could sense that maybe things 51 00:02:42,533 --> 00:02:44,693 Speaker 2: were not as they appeared, that there might be a 52 00:02:44,733 --> 00:02:46,413 Speaker 2: little bit of a twist or something else that you 53 00:02:46,453 --> 00:02:47,133 Speaker 2: were going to discover. 54 00:02:47,973 --> 00:02:50,973 Speaker 4: Definitely, I think there was a little bit of I 55 00:02:51,013 --> 00:02:53,613 Speaker 4: definitely knew that there was something more at play. 56 00:02:53,653 --> 00:02:54,693 Speaker 3: I just didn't know what it was. 57 00:02:54,733 --> 00:02:56,613 Speaker 4: So it was actually a relief when they told me 58 00:02:56,613 --> 00:02:58,813 Speaker 4: it was sour On because I mean I could really 59 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:01,653 Speaker 4: focus in on what I had to learn. 60 00:03:01,853 --> 00:03:04,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that change in terms of the process, 61 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:06,093 Speaker 2: because the audience isn't going to know until the last 62 00:03:06,093 --> 00:03:09,453 Speaker 2: deep right, so you are still thinking about I mean 63 00:03:09,493 --> 00:03:11,573 Speaker 2: at this point, I mean, do you have to change 64 00:03:11,573 --> 00:03:13,973 Speaker 2: how you signpost things? How do you think about your character? 65 00:03:14,853 --> 00:03:16,453 Speaker 3: Not hugely in terms. 66 00:03:16,213 --> 00:03:19,133 Speaker 4: Of practical practically, but yeah, it changes a lot in 67 00:03:19,173 --> 00:03:21,373 Speaker 4: terms of how I think about him, and I was 68 00:03:21,413 --> 00:03:23,893 Speaker 4: able to. It just gave me this huge body of 69 00:03:23,933 --> 00:03:26,853 Speaker 4: research that I could dive into that I didn't have before. 70 00:03:26,933 --> 00:03:30,053 Speaker 4: And it's like all the stuff that Tolkien wrote about 71 00:03:30,133 --> 00:03:33,573 Speaker 4: him was opened up to me, and I'd already researched 72 00:03:33,573 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 4: it quite a lot, but it just meant I could 73 00:03:35,053 --> 00:03:38,853 Speaker 4: throw myself headfirst into it. All the different parts of 74 00:03:38,853 --> 00:03:42,213 Speaker 4: the film Irillion and Tolkien's letters and yeah, really really 75 00:03:42,253 --> 00:03:44,013 Speaker 4: exciting parts of the story. 76 00:03:44,373 --> 00:03:46,333 Speaker 2: Were you a Tolkien reader beforehand? 77 00:03:47,133 --> 00:03:49,373 Speaker 4: No, I'd never read I'd never read a Top ten book. 78 00:03:49,373 --> 00:03:51,413 Speaker 4: I'd watched the Peter Jackson films, but I'd never read 79 00:03:51,413 --> 00:03:51,773 Speaker 4: a book. 80 00:03:51,893 --> 00:03:54,013 Speaker 2: So how did you find it engaging with that writing 81 00:03:54,013 --> 00:03:54,613 Speaker 2: for the first time? 82 00:03:55,413 --> 00:03:57,213 Speaker 3: I liked it. It takes a bit of a particularly 83 00:03:57,213 --> 00:03:57,853 Speaker 3: the Silmarrillion. 84 00:03:57,893 --> 00:03:59,893 Speaker 4: It takes a bit of adjusting at first, but I 85 00:03:59,893 --> 00:04:02,093 Speaker 4: actually think the start of the film Mirillion is really 86 00:04:02,093 --> 00:04:06,213 Speaker 4: good when they it's all about the the valor. 87 00:04:06,093 --> 00:04:09,613 Speaker 3: Scening the world into existence, and. 88 00:04:09,653 --> 00:04:11,453 Speaker 4: I kind of like there are some bits which are 89 00:04:11,533 --> 00:04:13,333 Speaker 4: kind of it's a bit of a slog in the middle, 90 00:04:13,373 --> 00:04:16,773 Speaker 4: but you know that's often happens with books anyway, But 91 00:04:16,933 --> 00:04:18,013 Speaker 4: once you get used to it. 92 00:04:18,093 --> 00:04:20,773 Speaker 3: I really loved it, particularly the end bit as well. 93 00:04:21,173 --> 00:04:23,333 Speaker 2: And so once you had had a chance to deduce 94 00:04:23,373 --> 00:04:25,013 Speaker 2: this information, you had a chance to do a bit 95 00:04:25,013 --> 00:04:28,013 Speaker 2: of background research. Are you allowed to tell your cast 96 00:04:28,093 --> 00:04:30,613 Speaker 2: mates how does it work. Are you sworn to secrecy 97 00:04:30,693 --> 00:04:32,453 Speaker 2: on a promise of death or something? 98 00:04:33,933 --> 00:04:36,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was sworn to secrecy. 99 00:04:36,293 --> 00:04:38,613 Speaker 4: I think I maybe told my mum and my partner, 100 00:04:39,053 --> 00:04:41,733 Speaker 4: but maybe a couple of people in the cast kind 101 00:04:41,733 --> 00:04:44,533 Speaker 4: of figured it out because like, I think more of 102 00:04:44,573 --> 00:04:47,293 Speaker 4: this had to figure it out because she was in 103 00:04:47,373 --> 00:04:49,293 Speaker 4: so many scenes with me, So I think she pretty 104 00:04:49,373 --> 00:04:53,093 Speaker 4: quickly figured out that maybe I was Sourron. 105 00:04:52,693 --> 00:04:54,333 Speaker 3: And not Halbrond. Yeah. 106 00:04:54,373 --> 00:04:56,173 Speaker 4: But as to other people in the cast, I don't 107 00:04:56,213 --> 00:04:57,973 Speaker 4: know how they found out because I didn't tell them. 108 00:04:58,333 --> 00:05:01,133 Speaker 2: Oh really, Like, so it might have actually been until 109 00:05:01,573 --> 00:05:03,653 Speaker 2: until they actually saw the family. Beside is that. 110 00:05:05,053 --> 00:05:06,173 Speaker 3: Maybe some of them lasted that. 111 00:05:06,493 --> 00:05:08,533 Speaker 4: But I reckon people probably worked it out by the 112 00:05:08,653 --> 00:05:10,893 Speaker 4: end of because they didn't. A lot of people didn't 113 00:05:10,893 --> 00:05:13,613 Speaker 4: get the scripts, but I think they knew something was 114 00:05:13,653 --> 00:05:15,813 Speaker 4: up because we all got different Like the five of 115 00:05:15,893 --> 00:05:18,973 Speaker 4: us involved in the scenes the reveal scenes got all 116 00:05:19,013 --> 00:05:21,653 Speaker 4: the right scripts and everyone else just got blank pages. 117 00:05:22,093 --> 00:05:22,333 Speaker 3: Right. 118 00:05:22,653 --> 00:05:25,653 Speaker 2: God, what a night me to organize this, I just 119 00:05:25,733 --> 00:05:28,373 Speaker 2: like beatter the showrunners than me. Can you imagine trying 120 00:05:28,373 --> 00:05:31,853 Speaker 2: to coordinate something as significant as this and trying to 121 00:05:31,893 --> 00:05:34,893 Speaker 2: manage not only public expectations, but the expectations of your 122 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:37,133 Speaker 2: of your cast and cruise exactly. 123 00:05:37,253 --> 00:05:39,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're glad to be rid of that 124 00:05:39,133 --> 00:05:40,053 Speaker 4: level of secresy. 125 00:05:40,733 --> 00:05:42,773 Speaker 2: So what does it mean for your character in season two. 126 00:05:43,733 --> 00:05:46,053 Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of you know, Saron now gets the 127 00:05:46,053 --> 00:05:48,613 Speaker 4: opportunity to now that he's out in terms of the 128 00:05:48,653 --> 00:05:53,173 Speaker 4: audience's eyes, we can watch him with the mask off. 129 00:05:53,213 --> 00:05:55,733 Speaker 4: We can watch him navigating his way through Middle Earth 130 00:05:56,373 --> 00:06:00,533 Speaker 4: and deceiving people and manipulating people under disguise of Anata, 131 00:06:01,093 --> 00:06:04,093 Speaker 4: which was the fair form that Tolkien wrote that Saran 132 00:06:04,173 --> 00:06:07,373 Speaker 4: took in the second Age. So that was huge, it 133 00:06:07,453 --> 00:06:13,493 Speaker 4: was it really changed my interpretation of the character because 134 00:06:13,533 --> 00:06:17,213 Speaker 4: he was perceived he's now you know, the audience's perspective 135 00:06:17,253 --> 00:06:17,773 Speaker 4: is different. 136 00:06:18,333 --> 00:06:20,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the audience are in on it at this 137 00:06:20,333 --> 00:06:23,653 Speaker 2: time now, right, even though he to other characters in 138 00:06:23,693 --> 00:06:26,773 Speaker 2: the show, he might be he might presented as a 139 00:06:26,773 --> 00:06:30,853 Speaker 2: as a certain character or have certain characteristics, the audience 140 00:06:30,933 --> 00:06:32,013 Speaker 2: is on the inside now. 141 00:06:32,693 --> 00:06:34,253 Speaker 3: Exactly, That's exactly it. 142 00:06:34,493 --> 00:06:38,333 Speaker 4: And now we kind of get to share those quiet 143 00:06:38,373 --> 00:06:42,013 Speaker 4: moments with him when he's having a moment, a soaln moment, 144 00:06:42,773 --> 00:06:45,213 Speaker 4: Whereas in the previous season when he's being fu on, 145 00:06:45,453 --> 00:06:47,813 Speaker 4: the camera's probably not with him. The cameras are work 146 00:06:47,893 --> 00:06:50,933 Speaker 4: with Galadriel, so we kind of see a window into 147 00:06:50,973 --> 00:06:53,133 Speaker 4: his true nature, which I think is fun and it's 148 00:06:53,453 --> 00:06:56,813 Speaker 4: we kind of you know, you can watch someone manipulating 149 00:06:56,853 --> 00:07:00,373 Speaker 4: people and being quite bad, but maybe you kind of 150 00:07:00,453 --> 00:07:02,853 Speaker 4: enjoy it as an audience member, particularly because you know 151 00:07:02,893 --> 00:07:03,693 Speaker 4: it's not real. 152 00:07:04,613 --> 00:07:06,293 Speaker 2: When I have conversations with the actors lot, you know, 153 00:07:06,493 --> 00:07:08,413 Speaker 2: a lot of the time they talk about different methods 154 00:07:08,413 --> 00:07:10,573 Speaker 2: to try and understand the complexity of their characters, but 155 00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:14,373 Speaker 2: just to think about those basics, right, like the audiences 156 00:07:14,413 --> 00:07:18,333 Speaker 2: with you, but other characters from your position aren't actually 157 00:07:18,373 --> 00:07:22,093 Speaker 2: aware of your true nature and your and your true 158 00:07:22,253 --> 00:07:24,053 Speaker 2: the fact that you are sour on Like, that's an 159 00:07:24,093 --> 00:07:27,053 Speaker 2: amazing level of complexity. But it's very shakespeare, don't you think. 160 00:07:27,693 --> 00:07:33,253 Speaker 4: Very Shakespearean, And it's quite it's quite epic and for me, 161 00:07:33,373 --> 00:07:36,373 Speaker 4: but despite the large scale of it, and you know, 162 00:07:36,413 --> 00:07:39,853 Speaker 4: if I stopped to think about the the size of 163 00:07:40,733 --> 00:07:43,053 Speaker 4: the weight of playing a role like this, I think 164 00:07:43,093 --> 00:07:46,573 Speaker 4: I go crazyly. So I really don't think about it 165 00:07:46,613 --> 00:07:48,413 Speaker 4: in those terms. I try and just break it down 166 00:07:48,413 --> 00:07:52,133 Speaker 4: to its most simple form, which is I'm acting opposite someone. 167 00:07:52,173 --> 00:07:54,493 Speaker 4: What do I need over and over again, whether it's 168 00:07:54,533 --> 00:07:57,093 Speaker 4: in a over a whole season, or whether it's in 169 00:07:57,133 --> 00:07:59,973 Speaker 4: a second, it's like, what do I need in at 170 00:07:59,973 --> 00:08:04,693 Speaker 4: that exact point? And for Salon is to like rehabilitate 171 00:08:04,813 --> 00:08:09,213 Speaker 4: and save and heel Middle Earth. And for me, if 172 00:08:09,253 --> 00:08:11,613 Speaker 4: I just play that, I let the villainy happen as 173 00:08:11,653 --> 00:08:16,573 Speaker 4: a byproduct of seeking this goal, and well I will 174 00:08:16,613 --> 00:08:19,373 Speaker 4: stop at nothing to achieve it. And that's where that's 175 00:08:19,413 --> 00:08:21,133 Speaker 4: where he starts to do some bad stuff. 176 00:08:22,453 --> 00:08:25,653 Speaker 2: Season one. I think I'm right in that you prepped 177 00:08:26,133 --> 00:08:29,493 Speaker 2: by going for a five day wilderness experience in the 178 00:08:29,573 --> 00:08:32,093 Speaker 2: Tole Yeah National Park, Is that right? 179 00:08:32,613 --> 00:08:36,613 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? I did the Northern Stir Yeah, really yeah. 180 00:08:36,613 --> 00:08:37,053 Speaker 3: I loved it. 181 00:08:37,133 --> 00:08:40,533 Speaker 4: That was when I was I had just been told 182 00:08:40,533 --> 00:08:42,773 Speaker 4: that I was sour on, and I thought, well, what 183 00:08:42,773 --> 00:08:44,253 Speaker 4: what else can you do if you just if you're 184 00:08:44,253 --> 00:08:46,773 Speaker 4: going to be sour on, go to Mount Doom. So 185 00:08:47,893 --> 00:08:50,053 Speaker 4: I went out there by myself and just hiked around 186 00:08:50,253 --> 00:08:52,053 Speaker 4: over the Northern Circle. I think I was away for 187 00:08:52,133 --> 00:08:56,813 Speaker 4: five days. The hike maybe took three days, but it 188 00:08:56,893 --> 00:08:59,013 Speaker 4: was really it was really special. One of the best 189 00:08:59,053 --> 00:09:00,933 Speaker 4: hikes I've ever been on. I've never been on a 190 00:09:00,973 --> 00:09:02,173 Speaker 4: Somler hike, but I loved it. 191 00:09:02,213 --> 00:09:04,213 Speaker 2: What time of year was it. 192 00:09:04,213 --> 00:09:04,613 Speaker 1: It was. 193 00:09:06,413 --> 00:09:09,453 Speaker 4: In kind No, it was cold at night, but it 194 00:09:09,493 --> 00:09:11,573 Speaker 4: was really hot in the day. I want to say 195 00:09:11,613 --> 00:09:12,493 Speaker 4: it started spring. 196 00:09:12,933 --> 00:09:15,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty exposed day. Some of that is like 197 00:09:15,933 --> 00:09:16,693 Speaker 2: super exposed. 198 00:09:16,693 --> 00:09:19,533 Speaker 4: There's no where to hide, very hot, and there's it's 199 00:09:19,613 --> 00:09:23,133 Speaker 4: all all sun like, it's so hot. I remember being 200 00:09:23,213 --> 00:09:25,293 Speaker 4: really hot and sweaty, and then in the nights the 201 00:09:25,333 --> 00:09:28,013 Speaker 4: temperature would drop. I chose not to sleep in the huts. 202 00:09:28,493 --> 00:09:32,093 Speaker 4: I brought a tent, which meant my pack was heavier, 203 00:09:32,453 --> 00:09:33,733 Speaker 4: but I had a bit more privacy. 204 00:09:34,733 --> 00:09:37,573 Speaker 2: So hey, you didn't you you like you properly? You 205 00:09:37,573 --> 00:09:42,373 Speaker 2: you did it authentically. Then, yeah, I had. 206 00:09:42,253 --> 00:09:46,173 Speaker 4: All the kid hike pack. One of my good friends, 207 00:09:46,213 --> 00:09:48,773 Speaker 4: his name's Guy Hamdling. He worked on the show with us. 208 00:09:48,813 --> 00:09:50,893 Speaker 4: He gave me. He had a lot of hike years, 209 00:09:50,933 --> 00:09:53,373 Speaker 4: so he gave me a whole bunch of stuff which 210 00:09:53,413 --> 00:09:53,973 Speaker 4: is very hot. 211 00:09:54,293 --> 00:09:56,373 Speaker 2: Oh wow, what it What an experience. You also had 212 00:09:56,373 --> 00:09:57,293 Speaker 2: to learn to free dive. 213 00:09:57,333 --> 00:09:58,213 Speaker 3: Eh. 214 00:09:58,373 --> 00:10:00,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, we did a bit of free diving because there's 215 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:03,253 Speaker 4: an underwater sequence at the start of the first season. 216 00:10:03,493 --> 00:10:06,013 Speaker 4: At the start of the season actually, so I had 217 00:10:06,013 --> 00:10:08,613 Speaker 4: to learn to dive, which was really a skill that 218 00:10:08,693 --> 00:10:11,133 Speaker 4: I'm forever grateful for because I was terrified at the 219 00:10:11,133 --> 00:10:12,933 Speaker 4: start of that I couldn't hold my breath for longer 220 00:10:12,973 --> 00:10:13,853 Speaker 4: than thirty seconds. 221 00:10:14,013 --> 00:10:16,413 Speaker 3: Wow. And yeah, by the end we were up in 222 00:10:16,453 --> 00:10:17,453 Speaker 3: the four minute mark. 223 00:10:17,613 --> 00:10:21,093 Speaker 2: So that was no because it's it's it's very mitiative, right, 224 00:10:21,093 --> 00:10:22,813 Speaker 2: You've got to bring your heart rate down, and when 225 00:10:22,813 --> 00:10:24,853 Speaker 2: you're when you're submersed and water, you need to bring 226 00:10:24,893 --> 00:10:27,333 Speaker 2: all of your kind of processes down and slow slow 227 00:10:27,373 --> 00:10:27,893 Speaker 2: everything up. 228 00:10:28,573 --> 00:10:32,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that exactly that. It was like, the lower 229 00:10:32,093 --> 00:10:33,693 Speaker 4: your heart rate, the longer you can hold your breath. 230 00:10:33,733 --> 00:10:36,853 Speaker 4: And that was really cool to learn that level of 231 00:10:36,893 --> 00:10:39,093 Speaker 4: mindfulness and it's something I've been able to take into 232 00:10:39,133 --> 00:10:39,693 Speaker 4: the rest of my. 233 00:10:39,693 --> 00:10:40,733 Speaker 3: Life as well. 234 00:10:40,973 --> 00:10:44,653 Speaker 2: Oh man, have you ever watched the free diving on YouTube? 235 00:10:44,933 --> 00:10:45,213 Speaker 4: Yeah? 236 00:10:45,333 --> 00:10:47,293 Speaker 3: I have, and I've watched what's that is it called 237 00:10:47,293 --> 00:10:48,053 Speaker 3: the Deepest Breath? 238 00:10:48,253 --> 00:10:48,493 Speaker 2: Yeah? 239 00:10:48,853 --> 00:10:50,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love it. 240 00:10:50,933 --> 00:10:54,133 Speaker 4: I haven't watched many of the competitions, but I've seen 241 00:10:54,533 --> 00:10:55,653 Speaker 4: little clips here and there. 242 00:10:55,693 --> 00:10:56,773 Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing. Huh. 243 00:10:56,773 --> 00:11:01,053 Speaker 2: Oh, It's it's kind of crazy, Like, yeah, I do 244 00:11:01,253 --> 00:11:04,453 Speaker 2: it to that level like we had We've had William 245 00:11:04,493 --> 00:11:07,173 Speaker 2: Troubridge on the show, who's a he's the only champion 246 00:11:07,213 --> 00:11:09,413 Speaker 2: freed over and like he would go to one hundred 247 00:11:09,453 --> 00:11:12,653 Speaker 2: meters with no fins or anything. Can you just imagine, 248 00:11:12,693 --> 00:11:16,213 Speaker 2: I just like imagine the head space you need to 249 00:11:16,213 --> 00:11:21,773 Speaker 2: be and yeah, well he just holds onto the rope. Yeah, 250 00:11:22,173 --> 00:11:24,613 Speaker 2: you can be pulled down, but he would just he 251 00:11:24,653 --> 00:11:26,533 Speaker 2: would peddle and then yeah, and then we clipped. 252 00:11:26,253 --> 00:11:28,333 Speaker 3: To a rope. It's nuts, that's amazing. 253 00:11:29,133 --> 00:11:31,973 Speaker 2: I take it that given season two has been filmed 254 00:11:31,973 --> 00:11:35,253 Speaker 2: predominantly in London, right, you haven't needed to go to 255 00:11:35,333 --> 00:11:36,893 Speaker 2: such extremes to prepare for this. 256 00:11:37,133 --> 00:11:37,573 Speaker 3: For this. 257 00:11:39,253 --> 00:11:41,533 Speaker 4: Apart from that sequence at the start with the sea 258 00:11:41,573 --> 00:11:43,933 Speaker 4: monster again that flashback sequence, there was a lot of 259 00:11:43,933 --> 00:11:45,973 Speaker 4: scuba diving and breath holding again that I had to 260 00:11:46,053 --> 00:11:48,933 Speaker 4: do for that, but otherwise quite a bit less horse 261 00:11:49,013 --> 00:11:52,253 Speaker 4: riding this time, which which is sad kind of but 262 00:11:52,333 --> 00:11:56,093 Speaker 4: also I'm bit grateful for horses are always scary. But yeah, 263 00:11:56,133 --> 00:11:59,373 Speaker 4: it's been more linguistic and that it's like a lot 264 00:11:59,413 --> 00:12:03,053 Speaker 4: more mental gymnastics because the scenes are quite long and 265 00:12:04,253 --> 00:12:07,933 Speaker 4: very intense, which is which has been a really cool experience. 266 00:12:08,053 --> 00:12:08,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, so. 267 00:12:10,213 --> 00:12:12,973 Speaker 2: I think we can safely assume that your character's major 268 00:12:13,013 --> 00:12:17,293 Speaker 2: twist came in season one, but now being part of 269 00:12:17,453 --> 00:12:20,173 Speaker 2: the of the of the cast and the crew as 270 00:12:20,173 --> 00:12:22,893 Speaker 2: a film season two. Looking from the outside, did you 271 00:12:22,933 --> 00:12:25,373 Speaker 2: get any pages that were blank in your scripts? Like, 272 00:12:25,373 --> 00:12:27,933 Speaker 2: should we expect big twists coming for other characters? 273 00:12:28,373 --> 00:12:30,973 Speaker 3: TSTs. I don't think I've got any blank pages. 274 00:12:31,013 --> 00:12:34,373 Speaker 4: But there are twists coming for sure, and I won't 275 00:12:34,413 --> 00:12:38,413 Speaker 4: tell you what they are. There is a couple really 276 00:12:38,453 --> 00:12:39,333 Speaker 4: good ones coming. 277 00:12:39,573 --> 00:12:42,773 Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. Well, we are delighted that you guys are back, 278 00:12:42,853 --> 00:12:45,693 Speaker 2: really excited to digest season two. Thank you so much 279 00:12:45,693 --> 00:12:47,413 Speaker 2: for giving us your time. We really appreciate it. 280 00:12:47,813 --> 00:12:50,053 Speaker 4: I appreciate yours. Thank you very much for having me. 281 00:12:50,133 --> 00:12:51,213 Speaker 4: It's been a pleasure. 282 00:12:51,573 --> 00:12:54,773 Speaker 2: That is Rings of Power star Charlie Vickers and Lord 283 00:12:54,773 --> 00:12:57,333 Speaker 2: of the Rings. Rings of Power is streaming on Prime 284 00:12:57,493 --> 00:13:00,093 Speaker 2: Video Now with a new episode every week. 285 00:13:00,733 --> 00:13:03,813 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 286 00:13:03,933 --> 00:13:06,733 Speaker 1: to news Talks I'd Be from nine am Saturday, or 287 00:13:06,813 --> 00:13:08,693 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.