1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: On the huddle filler Riley I and Duke partners and 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Jack Tame, host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hire you too, how you doing? Yeah, Phil, I'm told 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: that you love e bikes and scooters. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Oh I just hate them. I was walking, I was 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: just wandering down custom House Key two days ago and 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: a young woman on one of these scooters went past me, 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: used me as a slale. What have you got on 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: the foot of me doing so twenty tel the minutes 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: an hour. I shouted at her and felt very old 11 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: and curmudgeonly. But it is just dangerous, particularly if you're 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: an older person. Maybe you've got a bit of sight problems, 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: you're trying to walk a dog you've got maybe you've 14 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: got a sore leg. You don't know what you're doing. 15 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: So the challenge is not the speed of these things. Look, 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: if young people want to run to a wall, they're 17 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: probably going to do that at any speed and hurt themselves. 18 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: So there's not much you can do about that. But 19 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: what you can do is get them off the streets 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: where the pedestrians are and get them somewhere else so 21 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: they can be traveling at about the same speed. Yeah, 22 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: as everything around them. I don't care because I hate 23 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: the scooters. I hate them. I think they should just 24 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: be banned in the country and E bike should be 25 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: lad only in cycle lanes. 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: But that's my view, yeah, Jack. 27 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I do have sympathy for this argument, Jack, 28 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: because we were going up the road, myself and the 29 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: little guy who's three years old, and he was on 30 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: his scooter and he almost got taken He was coming 31 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: up to a corner and got almost got taken out 32 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: by an electric scooter with a full grown adult on it. 33 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: And I feel like, I don't know what the solution is, 34 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: but it can't carry on like this because people are 35 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: going to get quite hurt. 36 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: Two words, the heather bike lanes. That's a turn, I said. 37 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 4: I agree when it comes to the e scooters. You 38 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 4: can because you can be walking along. The problem is 39 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: you can't hear them right unless they ring their bells. 40 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 4: And even if they ring the bells, they often do 41 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 4: it quite late, and so they come up right behind 42 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: you and it feels like you know, when someone like 43 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 4: runs a shopping cart into the back you w ankles 44 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: or something, and yeah, it feels like they're going to 45 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 4: do that. Yeah, which I hate I hate that feeling, 46 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: but I reckon the solution is simple that they've got 47 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 4: they've got to ride in cycle lanes, and if there 48 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: isn't a cycle lane available, I think they should be riding. 49 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So Jack, can I put this to you? So, 50 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: so where I live there is a cycle lane, and 51 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: they still ride on the footpath. And we can't afford 52 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: to put cycle lanes everywhere. So what do you do 53 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: in the like, what do you do on all the 54 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: roads and all the streets? 55 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 4: Well, I think within reason, and I don't think anyone's 56 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: expecting to see eastcooters on state highways, for example, but 57 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 4: I think they should be regulated as we do cyclists, 58 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 4: so we we think like cyclists don't ride on the 59 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: foot path, and I think east scooters are sufficiently fast 60 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: that we should expect they ride where cyclists ride. So 61 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: if there is a bike plane, they ride in a 62 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 4: bike plane. And if there's not a bike plane, I 63 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 4: think they should be riding on the side of the 64 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: road where see and cycles. 65 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: And Phil, even as concerned as I am about my 66 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: three year old, I can't be okay with that either, 67 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: because if these dudes are riding on the road they're 68 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: going to get taken out by cars, and surely that's 69 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: far worse. 70 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so just ban them. But we didn't. We went 71 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: through most of them. We went through most of our lives, 72 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: most of our society. You know, for instance, Roman times, 73 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: you haven't had these things. No, why don't we have 74 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: them out? People say, oh, it's great, it's great for 75 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: climate change. It keeps me a lout of cows. Actually, 76 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: I live in Tierro Welmington, which is the epicenter of 77 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: all this, which is why you're real annoyed with it. 78 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: It Actually it doesn't help climate change at all. It 79 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: actually probably contributes to our national obesity. Because she's riding 80 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: these things. 81 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: You're supposed to be. 82 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: Walking, So you should get off these e box and walk. 83 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: Oh lord, listens, you're really showing your age. 84 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 2: All right, I'll be free on the buses soon. 85 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: I work relatively centrally. I mean, they are incredibly convenient 86 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: for me if I want to I live relatively centrally. 87 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: If I want to drive into town, the time that 88 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 4: it would take me to drive into town and to 89 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 4: find a park and all that kind of stuff versus 90 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: riding on an EES scooter, I reckon an ES scooter 91 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: is at least thirty percent faster, and you know, and 92 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: an ee bike even even more so. So they are 93 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: extremely convenient and every person who chooses to do that 94 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: instead of driving obviously takes a car off the road. 95 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: But I reckon we still haven't quite nailed it when 96 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: it comes to the regulation. 97 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: I just think people might need to be a little 98 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: more responsible on them. Anyway, we'll take a break, come 99 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: back to you guys shortly. 100 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only 101 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: truly global brand. 102 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: Back with the Huddle, Jack Tayman Fullo Riley Jack. How 103 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: do you feel about user pays for council services rather 104 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: than you know, the rate rises. 105 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 4: I don't like it, but I also think that I mean, 106 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: I don't mind it for certain things, right like so, 107 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: I think, for example, using a council pool then paying 108 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: a nominal fee to it to go to the pool 109 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 4: is pretty reasonable. But I would still want to make 110 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 4: sure that everyone in the community is able to benefit 111 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: from some of those you know, from from some of 112 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: those things. That being said, I just think that funding 113 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: for councils just just totally broken. And when you're thinking 114 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 4: about rates capping, like we I think there are just 115 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: much bigger questions that we need to tackle, like how 116 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: do how do we fund the stuff that councils are 117 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 4: supposed to look for when I think we all agree 118 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 4: that rates have been kind of exhausted, and maybe even 119 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: a bigger question about like what should councils ultimately be 120 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 4: responsible for, Because as much as the government says they're 121 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 4: all for localism, I think a lot of their policies 122 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: would suggest otherwise in the local government space. 123 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm coming around to the idea of user pays 124 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: on this film, so because I think that I can 125 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: see that there is untapped revenue. Like I mean, if 126 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm paying seventy dollars to park my car for a 127 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: year on a central city street because I live in 128 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: the center city, that's far too low, Like that should 129 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: be about five hundred buck, shouldn't it. 130 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I'm all for 131 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: user pays, but I agree with Jack, you need to 132 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: be cautious a little bit about taking the concept too 133 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: far where the user simply can't afford it and I 134 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: can't take my kids to the swimming pool. And I 135 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: think that's a very good thing. Well, maybe we should 136 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: charge that too, but you get the earlier, So I 137 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: think there's a I'm all for user pace, don't get 138 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: me wrong, but I think you just you could take 139 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: it too far. The other thing that will happen if 140 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: there is rates capping, and I think fun of me. 141 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: It's a bad idea, but I can understand it's great politics, 142 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: which is why the government's doing it. That The problem 143 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: is that that council sort of poor policy and laziness 144 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: in terms of charging, will just blow out into overcharging 145 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: user pays used a user should be to cover the 146 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: cost of it, plus it's more profit. What they we 147 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: should do is travel the charge just in order to 148 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: keep on with their lazy spending. And I'm the victim 149 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: of that. And Wellington we've had these astonishing rates increases 150 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: over the last few years. There was nothing much to 151 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: show for it. Frankly, some pretty poor spending decisions here. 152 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: What I think there will lead to here is actually 153 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: a malgamation and I think that's what the government's all about. 154 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: They take water off, the local government goes. They're now saying, well, 155 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: one of the ways to stop rates increases being so 156 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: high is to just stick to them and get bigger. 157 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: And I think that's what you'll see now play out. 158 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: Councilors will start to a malilmate services, resource management services, 159 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: community services and so on, and that's just one step 160 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: away from the malvel mating. And I must say I 161 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: think that's a good idea. I think we should have, 162 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: for example, one council for Greater Wellington. I think Walkland 163 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: has largely worked and so I just think we should 164 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: get on with that. 165 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would agree with that actually. And now, Jack, 166 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: how do you feel about funding a zenpic. 167 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 4: I'm supportive of it, although I think you know within reason. 168 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: But at the moment, my understanding is that we do 169 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 4: some of these drugs for diabetes. But the thing that 170 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: would make a real difference, I suppose, or an even 171 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: greater difference, is whether or not these drugs are funded 172 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 4: for obesity. Right, But when you think about all of 173 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: the slow on effects from people who are overweight and 174 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: other parts of the health system, Like there are just thousands, 175 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: it's not tens of thousands of health complications that can 176 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: be associated with it, it's. 177 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: More expensive to fund the drugs, Jack, than to actually 178 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: just cop it with the old in it, you know, 179 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: the problem at the end, because I mean, if you 180 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: fund it for everybody with obesity in this country, it's 181 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: nine billion dollars a year, Well. 182 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: Can't be everyone, right, So I mean, I'm sure there 183 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: has to be some sort of you know, you know, 184 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: some sort of yeah, yeah yeah, or if you say, 185 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: like you know, you're at this BMI or whatever, then 186 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: you know, maybe you reach the threshold where you're funded. 187 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: But I yeah, I'm sure smarter wants than us can 188 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 4: do the cost benefit analysis. But as well as the 189 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 4: savings to the to the healthier system in terms of 190 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 4: you know, nights and hospital beds and other drugs, that 191 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: kind of thing. I mean that the massive improvement in 192 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 4: people's lives from not having those health effects related to obesity, 193 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: I always thought, is any enorm help? 194 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: But wouldn't the smart thing to do here, Phil be 195 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: to wait for those that wait for the patents to 196 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: come off, which starts happening from March, and then you 197 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: get the cheaper generic stuff and that's like miles cheaper. 198 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, inevitably that's what they'll do. I mean, I can't 199 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: imagine they're going to start funding as EMPIC call these 200 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: these very expensive US or European drugs. They'll wait for 201 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: the they'll wait for the stuff that comes out of China, 202 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: and as those things run off, that's the nature of 203 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: these things. But I agree with Jack on this and 204 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: it you don't find everybody. But might I say, even 205 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: if you did, I suspect you could find probably that 206 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: the cost will be marginally only margins worse, because the 207 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: hidden costs of omenesity in our health system and their 208 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: education system and everywhere else mental health and so on, 209 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 2: is probably just massive. It's just invisible right Inevitably, you 210 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: won't you won't do everyone. I mean, some people can 211 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: do lifestyle changes. I mean I know plenty of people 212 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: who've had that they've managed to succeed in TIMS to 213 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: some weight loss, but other people can't. And one of 214 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: the challenges with all this is people seem to say, Wow, 215 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: if you're overle weight, you're just lazy. You should cut 216 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: off the chips and get off the football field. Well 217 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: that's just not the reality is that that's just not 218 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: how we're actually living our lives. So maybe we're just 219 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: getting get real about that and understand these weight boyd 220 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: strokes look pretty good to me, and we should be 221 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: thinking about funding them because of the great impact that 222 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: they'll have positively for all sorts of people, including young 223 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah guys. 224 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much, 225 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: fellow Raleigh Jack Tame how hard of this evenings. 226 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to 227 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 3: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 228 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.