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Speaker 1: More trouble in our classrooms. Governments moving to all our

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Speaker 1: unregistered teachers to relieve classes. Unions don't like it, of course.

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Speaker 1: The claim is classroom is going to be flooded by

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Speaker 1: teachers not across the curriculum. The minister is Eric at Stanford,

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Speaker 1: who's with us, Good morning, good wannai. From personal experience,

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Speaker 1: the amount of time that kids sprend in front of

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Speaker 1: believers is insane. What's the problem in the education system.

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Speaker 1: Teachers get sick or we don't have enough teachers.

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Speaker 2: What we're experiencing at the moment is a huge increase

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Speaker 2: in teacher sickness that's compounded with teacher release time that

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Speaker 2: there's more of, and also teaches out the classrooms through

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Speaker 2: professional learning and development. And so we've seen us here

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Speaker 2: a massive spike and the needs for reliever teachers. We

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Speaker 2: have more reliever teachers, but we've seen a huge spike

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Speaker 2: in demand for them. And the problem we've got is

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of great ex teachers out there have

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Speaker 2: recently retired or recently left, have a baby who we

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Speaker 2: want to get back in the classroom and networks. That's

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Speaker 2: what these changes are all about.

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Speaker 1: How could the union subject to that if you were

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Speaker 1: once a teacher, the fact you're no longer registered doesn't

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Speaker 1: make you not a teacher anymore, does it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's surprising from the unions. Chris Abercromby's a smart guy.

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Speaker 2: We get on quite well. I don't know why he's

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Speaker 2: letting the truth get in the way of a good

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Speaker 2: story this time. I mean, you're exactly right. There are

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of incredible teachers out there that don't

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Speaker 2: forget how to teach. And actually, when we've got a

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Speaker 2: real need right now, we've got Arewa College, We've got

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Speaker 2: other colleges who are rostering home kids because that's the alternative,

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Speaker 2: like we roster home kids, or we say, hey, if

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Speaker 2: you've been a teacher in the past, in the last

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Speaker 2: few years, come back, will pay your registration, will pay

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Speaker 2: you to be a limited ability to teach teacher, come

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Speaker 2: back into the classroom and help relieve us so that

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Speaker 2: we can have these kids in class.

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Speaker 1: Is it a solution? Do they want to do it?

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Speaker 1: Do we know or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, we know because I've been traveling around the country

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Speaker 2: and I've been talking to teacher associations all over the country.

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Speaker 2: I was down and a cargo just the other day

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Speaker 2: amazing principles down there. They said to me Erica, we've

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Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of great teachers out there, ex teachers.

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Speaker 2: It's too expensive for them to come back, it's too cumbersome.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to do all the teacher of fresher courses,

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Speaker 2: which I worry that there's a limited value in those

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Speaker 2: as well. We just want to get them back in

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Speaker 2: the classroom. And you need to trust us, by the way,

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Speaker 2: mister Stanford, to get these guys back in the classroom,

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Speaker 2: the ones that are excellent, previous teachers, and I do

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Speaker 2: trust them.

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Speaker 1: Your original answer about the illness the time out of

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Speaker 1: the classroom, is there something profoundly wrong with the system

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Speaker 1: in itself that teachers aren't in front of the students

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Speaker 1: more often or not, Well.

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Speaker 2: The primary school teachers are out of the classroom more

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Speaker 2: on classroom release time that was negotiated by the unions.

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Speaker 2: And of course that's then means we need more relievers

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Speaker 2: to cover them, and the more relievers we have relieving

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Speaker 2: more than we suddenly need relievers for the relievers once

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Speaker 2: they get to about point eight the teachers, So it's

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Speaker 2: compounding on us and plus what we didn't expect this

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Speaker 2: here is these massively increased levels of sickness. So it

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Speaker 2: is an issue. But as I've always said, I can't

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Speaker 2: magic cup teachers overnight. It takes me what three four

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Speaker 2: years to train them. This is a short term solution

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Speaker 2: while we work with the Teaching Council to work on

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Speaker 2: a more longer term solution, which we're looking at a

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Speaker 2: reliever teacher special registration to make it cheaper, easier and

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Speaker 2: faster than back of the cast.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're up this morning with the Mount Albert

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Speaker 1: Grammer coverage. The principal says the phone banned different subjects,

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Speaker 1: same broad area. They've noticed a quote significant shift in

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Speaker 1: culture since banning cell phones, so that's a win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was seeing that all over the country. I

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Speaker 2: mean there was a little bit of grumbling from especially

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Speaker 2: kids like my daughter straight away, but actually we're seeing

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Speaker 2: really positive results from all of the principles I teach

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Speaker 2: to and actually interestingly the kids as well. And the

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Speaker 2: biggest difference that as we know from research, is ourt

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Speaker 2: low sociosomic girls and their mental health, and that's a

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Speaker 2: massive one.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate time America stand for the Minister of Education by

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Speaker 1: the way David Seymour had done. If you pick this

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Speaker 1: up on Friday. I don't know why I waited for

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Speaker 1: a Friday to launch it, because I got buried over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. The allegation is teachers and nicking sandwiches from

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Speaker 1: kids in the school lunches, and he wants an investigation.

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