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Speaker 1: Now weight Watchers is filing for bankruptcy in the US.

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Speaker 1: The weight loss service has run for more than sixty years,

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Speaker 1: but recently ran into a little bit of trouble. According

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Speaker 1: to brand tracking platform Tracksuit, awareness of the weight Watchers

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Speaker 1: brand in New Zealand has dropped by twenty two percent

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Speaker 1: in just the last two and a half years, which

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Speaker 1: is stunning. I would have thought Nicky Hart is a

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Speaker 1: nutritionist and with this now, Hey Nikki, Hey Helen, what

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Speaker 1: went wrong for them?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I think it's multifactorial. I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: look back sixty years ago, the messaging around weight loss

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Speaker 2: was really simple, eat less, do more. But we know

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Speaker 2: it's more complicated than that now. And I wonder if

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Speaker 2: if I look at maybe and it was predominantly women

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Speaker 2: who were using it way back in the day. I

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Speaker 2: think we've matured. We're coming out the other end going, actually,

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Speaker 2: I'm not buying into this now, and I need to

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Speaker 2: look after my nutrition. Are there other ways that I

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Speaker 2: can look after my health well being in my weight

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's not weightwatches.

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Speaker 1: But Nicky, I thought it was always just I still

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Speaker 1: think it's about maths, isn't it. It's calories and have

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Speaker 1: to be fewer than calories out Ah.

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Speaker 2: I know, because like when you look at all the

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Speaker 2: environmental factors and stuff at play now, and you've got

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Speaker 2: to look at genetics and other things as well, So

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Speaker 2: I think there's more to it. I think there's also

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Speaker 2: with the advent of injectibles, the glcasim antagonists, I think

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Speaker 2: that's playing a role in this as well.

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Speaker 1: So we found a shortcut, isn't that The truth, Nicky,

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Speaker 1: is that we've found that you can give yourself a

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Speaker 1: little injection in the butt like ozenpic and it's much

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Speaker 1: easier than cutting down your calories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's expensive, Heather, you know, like you're looking

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Speaker 2: at at least five hundred dollars a month to be

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Speaker 2: able to do this. So I don't actually think it's

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Speaker 2: about as simple as an injectible either. I think there's

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Speaker 2: the shift now that that whole input output thing we

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Speaker 2: now know that's say, for example, increasing your protein gives

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Speaker 2: you greater satiation, so you don't tend to want as

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Speaker 2: much food. So there's a lot of women now who

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Speaker 2: are doing a higher protein level in their diet, realizing

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Speaker 2: they don't need to restrict their calories and eat rice

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Speaker 2: cakes and bean sprouts, and so feel that they can

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Speaker 2: lose weight without doing.

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Speaker 1: Niki, what what are you telling me that if I

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Speaker 1: eat myself a gigantic piece of steak, what a satiation?

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Speaker 1: So that'side.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can feel fuller on the type of food

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Speaker 2: that you're eating.

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Speaker 1: But though still calories and and calories outgo. I feel

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Speaker 1: like we're getting distracted, but I'm loving it. Isn't it

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Speaker 1: still the same? Because if I eat a gigantic piece

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Speaker 1: of steak that maybe two hundred grams is four hundred calories,

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Speaker 1: then I'm not going to want to have all the

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Speaker 1: chocolates and the cakes and stuff, right, so it keeps

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Speaker 1: me full of for longer. Therefore, I still am taking

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Speaker 1: in fewer calories.

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Speaker 2: Yep, but the craving. So that's what ozenpic and stuff

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Speaker 2: does is that they block you wanting sweet refined carver

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Speaker 2: hydrate especially, and so therefore you're not getting those refined calories.

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Speaker 2: But we still can't afford you to be malnourished. We

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Speaker 2: still can't afford you to become micronutrient deficient because you're

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Speaker 2: eating too low in total calories. We want the calories

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Speaker 2: you do consume could be yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's that for me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Nikki, what the planning to do at weight

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Speaker 1: watches now is to do Tellyhealth. Is that going to work?

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Speaker 1: Because it sounded to me like the Telly Health is

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Speaker 1: basically going to be a teallyhealth service that helps you

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Speaker 1: to get a prescription for the things like ozmpic andn

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Speaker 1: we go V and so on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think we, I personally think that you

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Speaker 2: shouldn't you shouldn't need that either. I believe that if

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Speaker 2: you are under the guidance of your GP or healthcare professional.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where the place is for weight watches,

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Speaker 2: but back in the day, like weight watches, we used

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Speaker 2: to have our lovely John Burkbeck who was their medical

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Speaker 2: advisor here in New Zealand, and it was based on

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Speaker 2: our food and nutrition guidelines, Heather, That's what it was originally,

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Speaker 2: and then it kind of morphed into this whole kind

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Speaker 2: of points system, and I think women were like saving

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Speaker 2: all their points up and eating pizza, you know, because

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Speaker 2: they could save their points up and do it that way,

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Speaker 2: and that wasn't good nutrition, Whereas I think was the

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Speaker 2: advent of social media and these GLP one things. Women

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Speaker 2: especially are sourcing their information a little bit more credibly

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Speaker 2: and going well, Actually, what do I need for my

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Speaker 2: health and well being? Not just for white loss but

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Speaker 2: for everything else and long juvident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, that's fascinating. I really appreciate it. Nikky Hart, Nutritionist.

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