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Speaker 2: Here we are for the last of the best of

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five. And I'm cheating because what I'm

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Speaker 2: about to tell you is not from twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: So let me just do this quickly. I did a

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Speaker 2: search earlier. I was looking for a list of all

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Speaker 2: all the guests that were on in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: And somehow a name came up that I knew wasn't

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Speaker 2: part of twenty twenty five. Name's Jim Bobart or James Bovard,

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Speaker 2: and I thought I haven't interviewed him in the last

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Speaker 2: year What's going on? Turned out that it was referredring

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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty four when I interviewed him on his

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Speaker 2: book Last Writes. And even that came about in a

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Speaker 2: strange way because I emailed him just as they were

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Speaker 2: about to go to air with the first presidential debate.

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Speaker 2: Everybody remembers that debate and what they were doing when

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Speaker 2: it was on, and he emailed me straight back soon

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Speaker 2: as it was over, and he said, of course I will.

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Speaker 2: So we did the interview, and it's all. It all

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Speaker 2: becomes self explanatory, because there are things that need to

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Speaker 2: fall into line into place for this to understand my attitude.

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Speaker 2: So what I did was turn on that interview so

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Speaker 2: and see what I thought. And immediately I got this

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Speaker 2: warm feeling, and I listened to maybe five or six

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Speaker 2: going to do, and that is included in this year's

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Speaker 2: best of because it deserves it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Perspective is a very important part of this Wait till

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Speaker 2: you hear the beginning of it, and perspective will make

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Speaker 2: itself obvious, simple as that. I love Jim Bobart, I

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Speaker 2: have for decades. So as the final of the Holiday

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Speaker 2: Break replays, here is Jim Bobart. James Bovard. James is

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Speaker 2: the author of eleven books, including the nineteen ninety four

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Speaker 2: bestseller Lust Writes The Destruction of American Liberty Now just

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Speaker 2: so happens that when I made contact with Jim to

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Speaker 2: do this podcast, because we spoke first of all, back

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, and we will make mention of that,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure in a moment. But I got in touch

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Speaker 2: with him as the debate of last Friday Our Time

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Speaker 2: sent me an acceptance and one of the first things

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Speaker 2: he said to me was I've got a new book out,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, well, that's great. The new book is

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Speaker 2: called Last Rights, and it's published thirty years after a

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Speaker 2: book called Lost Rights that we discussed with James the

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Speaker 2: have marked it for that particular interview. Thirty years between

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Speaker 2: those two books, Lost Rights and Last Rights. Jim Bovart,

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Speaker 2: it's great to have you back on the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: thrilled that you were able to do it, and thank you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks so much for having me back on. I'm

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Speaker 3: just glad that since we talked last time, that you

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Speaker 3: were able to persuade your Prime Minister to leave the country.

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Speaker 2: I think that she got persuaded by all and Sundry

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, she's certainly left a void in the hearts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no room in my heart, I'm afraid. But

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Speaker 2: she but she she claimed that she had run out

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Speaker 2: That was the reason that she gave, and that's what

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Speaker 2: That's what they accepted, well, most people. But I think

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Speaker 2: I think we've seen otherwise. I would I would prefer

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Speaker 2: Now, Lost Rights and Lost Rights, the second book, which

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Speaker 3: Back when Last Rights came out in nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 2: The other book that I have enjoyed of yours, not

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Speaker 2: The Rise of the States and the Demise of the Citizen.

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Speaker 2: twenty five years later. How much of things changed in

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Speaker 3: Well, things have gotten a whole lot worse. And part

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Speaker 3: A favorite example, mine came from Massachusetts. Somebody went to

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Speaker 2: Did any of these people get put through i Q tests?

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Speaker 2: plenty of discussion already. But what was your take once

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Speaker 3: Well, actually I enjoyed watching it, so it was cat

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Speaker 3: Biden is losing it, pointing out that Bien can't walk

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Speaker 3: Over his five hours over the the his crimes with

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Speaker 3: tapes of those interviews because they show how incredibly out

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Speaker 3: a lot of comments in there, which which I found,

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Speaker 3: I'd heard of before, So there was it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: It was interesting Biden. Twelve years ago, Biden was a

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Speaker 3: Maybe not, Okay, maybe I'm telling too many jokes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So it's it's Trump has made some very good

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Speaker 3: People in Michigan, Michigan, refer to her as the seed Demon,

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Speaker 3: and she's called that because at the start of the pandemic,

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Speaker 3: she prohibited stores from selling garden seeds.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do then?

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Speaker 3: Because she said it was not essential, unlike the sale

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Speaker 3: of government lottery tickets.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, isn't it. I heard someone who I respect

438
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Speaker 2: and yesterday saying that the mocking her and saying she

439
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Speaker 2: was she was a straight out liar.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean every way, every way. Every way you listen these days,

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00:27:19,973 --> 00:27:24,013
Speaker 2: specifically at the moment, the word liar is not infrequent.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but this, this is actually a good thing.

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Speaker 3: And as I said, you know, I felt like the

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Speaker 3: seeing that, seeing that debate, it was cat nipp for cynics,

446
00:27:36,293 --> 00:27:40,773
Speaker 3: uh and Americans. You know, Americans need to be more

447
00:27:40,813 --> 00:27:44,373
Speaker 3: cynical about their elected leaders. Part of the trouble is

448
00:27:44,853 --> 00:27:48,013
Speaker 3: so many people still expect the government to save their butt.

449
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Speaker 3: And it's like, no, I mean, this is not what

450
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Speaker 3: Washington does. Washington extends its own power, it sets I mean,

451
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Speaker 3: it's always finding reasons to uh further intrude into private lives,

452
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Speaker 3: to trample more of our constitutional rights. They haven't learned,

453
00:28:04,533 --> 00:28:10,053
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, more and more Americans are completely unfamiliar, are

454
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Speaker 3: completely unfamiliar with living life outside of federal control.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a couple of questions regarding the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court. You have I think mixed mixed approaches to

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court? Am I right?

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Speaker 3: What is the mixed approach I'm dying to hear this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that somewhere you've you've complimented them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, back in nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 2: It won't happened. No, no, I mean since eighty six,

462
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Speaker 2: what happened to change mind?

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Speaker 3: They have made some good decisions. There are some justices

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Speaker 3: who have have made some very good calls. The first

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Speaker 3: page of the of the new book quote Supreme Court

466
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Speaker 3: Justice Neil Gorsoz of saying that everything has been criminalized

467
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Speaker 3: now by the government. So that's a huge problem. But

468
00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:11,453
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes they get it right, but it's it's

469
00:29:11,533 --> 00:29:15,813
Speaker 3: frustrating that that they have this fairy tale notion of

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Speaker 3: government power. There was a big decision on the censorship

471
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Speaker 3: cases the the FBI, the White House Centers for Disease Control, crowdbeat, Twitter, Facebook,

472
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Speaker 3: and other social media companies to censor critics of bim's

473
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Speaker 3: policies to censor people that were raising alarms about election fraud.

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Speaker 3: And it was a complete travesy. It's heavily documented. But

475
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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court said, well, we don't think we're going

476
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Speaker 3: to decide on this because the victims did not bring

477
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Speaker 3: signed confessions by the government agents that censored them and

478
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Speaker 3: it's like the First Amendment. I mean, it's it's frustrating

479
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Speaker 3: to me that people don't recognize if you let the

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Speaker 3: government censor during an election, then there is no chance

481
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Speaker 3: you're going to have an honest reading of Pollock preferences.

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Speaker 2: Let me just quote you from that first page of

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Speaker 2: Last Rites. We live in a world in which everything

484
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Speaker 2: has been criminalized. You mentioned that, warned Supreme Court Justice

485
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Speaker 2: Neil Gorsich, there are now more than This is what

486
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do, because this is frightening. There are

487
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Speaker 2: now more than five two hundred separate federal criminal offenses,

488
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Speaker 2: a thirty six percent increase since the nineteen nineties, along

489
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Speaker 2: with tens of thousands of state and local crimes. More

490
00:30:47,693 --> 00:30:51,293
Speaker 2: laws mean more violators who can be harshly punished on command,

491
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Speaker 2: resulting in arrests of more than ten million Americans each year.

492
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Speaker 2: Thanks to the Supreme Court, police can lock up anyone

493
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Speaker 2: accused of even quote, even a very minor criminal offense

494
00:31:04,293 --> 00:31:08,213
Speaker 2: such as an unbackled seat belt. How did it happen

495
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Speaker 2: that those numbers skyrocketed like that? How did it happen

496
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Speaker 2: that Americans let it happen?

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Speaker 3: Those are two very good questions. The first question, how

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Speaker 3: did it happen? You had the Supreme Court put the

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Speaker 3: government power on a pedestal, both on a political pedestal,

500
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Speaker 3: a legal pedestal, and a moral pedestal. The Supreme Court

501
00:31:33,773 --> 00:31:37,413
Speaker 3: has bent so far over backwards that even when there

502
00:31:37,453 --> 00:31:42,733
Speaker 3: are cases of police wrongfully shooting people or government officials lying,

503
00:31:43,293 --> 00:31:45,533
Speaker 3: the Court had said, well, it's important not to be

504
00:31:45,613 --> 00:31:48,453
Speaker 3: too strict here, Because I was writing about this case

505
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:51,893
Speaker 3: a day or two ago, and there was a wonderful phrase,

506
00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:55,653
Speaker 3: which course escapes my memory, but the gist if it

507
00:31:55,853 --> 00:31:59,773
Speaker 3: was that the Supreme Court was so biased in favored

508
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Speaker 3: government officials and government intervention that they did not want

509
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Speaker 3: to have any rulings that would inhibit the government from

510
00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:09,693
Speaker 3: doing what the government thought needed to be done and

511
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Speaker 3: what the government thought was best. This ties into the

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Speaker 3: line from the Supreme Court decision last week. It was

513
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Speaker 3: from the oil arguments a few months ago, but you

514
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Speaker 3: had one of the Justice justices openly fretting about the

515
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:30,653
Speaker 3: openly fretting that the First Amendment could hamstring the federal

516
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Speaker 3: government when it needed to intervene. And it's like, well,

517
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Speaker 3: you know, this is why we have the First Amendment

518
00:32:37,853 --> 00:32:41,813
Speaker 3: to hamstring the government, because if you don't hamstring the

519
00:32:41,813 --> 00:32:45,133
Speaker 3: government when they want a censor, then you don't have

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Speaker 3: You don't have any kind of republic. You certainly don't

521
00:32:48,813 --> 00:32:52,093
Speaker 3: have a democracy. You simply have the people in power

522
00:32:52,573 --> 00:32:56,973
Speaker 3: browbeating critics and misleading people. And that's what we had

523
00:32:57,373 --> 00:32:59,813
Speaker 3: in this country for a long time, and I got

524
00:32:59,853 --> 00:33:03,213
Speaker 3: a heck of a lot worse after nine to eleven. Unfortunately,

525
00:33:04,053 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 3: most of the American media and most of the politicians

526
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:10,853
Speaker 3: don't seem I've learned anything about the failures of government.

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Speaker 3: In the last couple of decades.

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Speaker 2: It has become ingrained in me that the media has

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Speaker 2: as much to answer as anybody, if not more than everybody,

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Speaker 2: that question that I asked you about, how did the

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Speaker 2: American people let it happen? The media in the main,

532
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Speaker 2: and I'm talking about the core media, the usual the

533
00:33:30,853 --> 00:33:35,493
Speaker 2: New York Times, Washington Post, and CNN and all the others,

534
00:33:36,653 --> 00:33:39,093
Speaker 2: and by extension, by the way, to much of the

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Speaker 2: rest of the world, because our media here take articles

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Speaker 2: from those particular journals. CNN is the one that they

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00:33:48,213 --> 00:33:52,613
Speaker 2: refer to on television. In the papers, there's New York Times,

538
00:33:52,693 --> 00:33:57,853
Speaker 2: there's Washington Post articles, and I read some of them,

539
00:33:58,053 --> 00:34:00,453
Speaker 2: and I come very close to throwing up in disgust.

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00:34:00,933 --> 00:34:04,133
Speaker 2: Somebody raised was Mark Levin actually a day or two back,

541
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Speaker 2: raised the question of the owners of these institutions because

542
00:34:09,493 --> 00:34:14,133
Speaker 2: they're all they're all businesses who have shareholders, and why

543
00:34:14,333 --> 00:34:19,293
Speaker 2: the people involved in the ownership don't start pulling their

544
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Speaker 2: administrations apart.

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Speaker 3: That makes it the assumption that the owners are unhappy

546
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Speaker 3: with what the papers or their TV networks are doing.

547
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Speaker 3: And I think that the owners are probably felt like

548
00:34:30,493 --> 00:34:35,533
Speaker 3: they're being served very well by the kind of hogwash

549
00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:37,693
Speaker 3: that's being served up to readers and viewers.

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Speaker 2: Well, that question could link back to another one with

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00:34:40,733 --> 00:34:45,773
Speaker 2: regard to the debate last week. The two protagonists who

552
00:34:45,813 --> 00:34:51,493
Speaker 2: were asking the questions were predicted to lean very heavily

553
00:34:51,533 --> 00:34:57,253
Speaker 2: in favor of the incumbent president, but they have been commended,

554
00:34:57,413 --> 00:35:01,573
Speaker 2: if not praised, in some quarters for being reasonably pretty

555
00:35:01,573 --> 00:35:02,333
Speaker 2: well balanced.

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Speaker 3: Your comment, Yeah, I mean, I was expecting there'd be

557
00:35:07,213 --> 00:35:11,813
Speaker 3: more biased in favor Biden. But it's funny. There was

558
00:35:11,853 --> 00:35:15,293
Speaker 3: a front page New York Times story, I guess on Saturday,

559
00:35:16,013 --> 00:35:19,573
Speaker 3: and I just passed by it in the grocery store,

560
00:35:19,653 --> 00:35:22,973
Speaker 3: and it was talking about how the silent microphone ended

561
00:35:23,053 --> 00:35:27,053
Speaker 3: up being really bad for Joe Biden because flashback four

562
00:35:27,133 --> 00:35:31,013
Speaker 3: years ago, Trump kept interrupting, I mean during Biden's speaking time,

563
00:35:31,653 --> 00:35:36,013
Speaker 3: and so there was I think it was Napoleon who said,

564
00:35:36,453 --> 00:35:40,493
Speaker 3: never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake, and

565
00:35:40,933 --> 00:35:43,573
Speaker 3: that could be the guy for how Trump played that

566
00:35:44,093 --> 00:35:48,213
Speaker 3: played the most recent debate, but it was the rules

567
00:35:48,253 --> 00:35:51,653
Speaker 3: that were set ahead of time. Another part was you

568
00:35:51,773 --> 00:35:54,733
Speaker 3: probably heard this is people were saying that the split

569
00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 3: screen that most Americans saw with the debate just it

570
00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:03,893
Speaker 3: was devastating from Biden because he was there with his

571
00:36:03,893 --> 00:36:06,533
Speaker 3: mouth hanging open and his eyes kind of unfocused, and

572
00:36:06,573 --> 00:36:09,853
Speaker 3: you're thinking, like, you know, you know, it was probably

573
00:36:09,853 --> 00:36:12,653
Speaker 3: a mistake for him to go a decaf, a.

574
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Speaker 2: Mistake to go decaf.

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00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:17,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a mistake for him to go a

576
00:36:17,773 --> 00:36:21,373
Speaker 3: mistake for him to go a decaf needed coffee. Okay,

577
00:36:21,613 --> 00:36:24,573
Speaker 3: the joke did not translate well all but decaff means

578
00:36:24,573 --> 00:36:27,613
Speaker 3: that you're having then you're getting no caffeine and your

579
00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:28,333
Speaker 3: low energy.

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00:36:28,773 --> 00:36:33,253
Speaker 2: Well I interpreted that correctly. I got it right, Okay,

581
00:36:33,813 --> 00:36:36,653
Speaker 2: but but I don't think you went far enough. So

582
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're jumping around all over the place. But

583
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Speaker 2: you're very good at this, so I'm enjoying it. The

584
00:36:43,213 --> 00:36:47,693
Speaker 2: the the opinion was, and it's certainly mine that in

585
00:36:47,733 --> 00:36:51,573
Speaker 2: the State of the Union address he was spiked. Wasn't

586
00:36:51,653 --> 00:36:55,533
Speaker 2: just it wasn't just non non decaf or caffeated. He

587
00:36:55,773 --> 00:36:58,253
Speaker 2: was spiked to the to the gills.

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Speaker 3: Now I know, no, so the doctors would do that.

589
00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:06,453
Speaker 3: I am shocked. I am shocked. I think that you're

590
00:37:06,453 --> 00:37:08,773
Speaker 3: one of the last people to be shocked. And who

591
00:37:08,853 --> 00:37:12,053
Speaker 3: said the doctors, who said the doctors were involved? Ah,

592
00:37:12,213 --> 00:37:14,973
Speaker 3: that's true. Well, it's important to avoid an overdose in

593
00:37:15,093 --> 00:37:19,533
Speaker 3: public if you're going to be doing those kind of supplements.

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Speaker 2: And there and there was the other occasion earlier, and

595
00:37:21,733 --> 00:37:25,573
Speaker 2: that was the one where he did it outside outside

596
00:37:25,613 --> 00:37:28,493
Speaker 2: of building I forget which. And it was stressed up,

597
00:37:28,773 --> 00:37:31,333
Speaker 2: was well, the whole area was staged to look like

598
00:37:32,253 --> 00:37:34,253
Speaker 2: the devil was speaking.

599
00:37:34,573 --> 00:37:38,053
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, are you talking about his speech in Philadelphia

600
00:37:38,093 --> 00:37:43,053
Speaker 3: in September twenty twenty two. Yes, yes, that was. You know,

601
00:37:43,173 --> 00:37:47,253
Speaker 3: it's always bad to take your inspiration on lighting from

602
00:37:47,693 --> 00:37:50,213
Speaker 3: the from the woman who did Triumph of the Will,

603
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Speaker 3: Is that what they did? This was a Nazi Yeah, Well,

604
00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:57,693
Speaker 3: it seemed that way. The Triumph of the Will was

605
00:37:57,693 --> 00:38:01,813
Speaker 3: a famous Nazi film of their rallies at Nuremberg, I

606
00:38:01,813 --> 00:38:06,253
Speaker 3: believe in nineteen thirty four. So but with the red

607
00:38:06,293 --> 00:38:10,053
Speaker 3: with the red coloring and just someone the very angry

608
00:38:10,453 --> 00:38:14,613
Speaker 3: type of lighting. And that was just after Biden had

609
00:38:14,653 --> 00:38:21,373
Speaker 3: said that, had said that Republicans were semi fascists. And

610
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Speaker 3: I think it was in January the speech near Valley Forge,

611
00:38:26,093 --> 00:38:29,133
Speaker 3: bind came out and said Trump was, you know, quoting

612
00:38:29,213 --> 00:38:33,053
Speaker 3: Hitler or being guided by Hitler, basically tried to tie

613
00:38:33,173 --> 00:38:37,533
Speaker 3: Hitler to Trump very tightly. There's there's certain standards there

614
00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:40,893
Speaker 3: that used to be in American politics that you don't

615
00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:44,173
Speaker 3: say that your opponent is Hitler. Okay, I mean this

616
00:38:44,293 --> 00:38:46,973
Speaker 3: is this is just this is bad form.

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Speaker 2: Well that we've seen, we've seen a lot of that

618
00:38:50,413 --> 00:38:54,573
Speaker 2: in the last few years. But going back to that

619
00:38:55,373 --> 00:38:59,693
Speaker 2: decaffeinated appearance, to me, it was not fairly obvious. It

620
00:38:59,773 --> 00:39:02,773
Speaker 2: was very obvious that he was on something. The next day,

621
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Speaker 2: Here's a guy that they tell us can only work

622
00:39:05,213 --> 00:39:07,733
Speaker 2: between ten and four in the day. Other than that

623
00:39:07,773 --> 00:39:10,253
Speaker 2: he falls apat and he and he lived up to

624
00:39:10,293 --> 00:39:14,373
Speaker 2: that without without any shall we say, input from elsewhere.

625
00:39:14,933 --> 00:39:17,653
Speaker 2: But the next morning after he was out of he

626
00:39:17,733 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 2: was out of the waffle bar at two am. And

627
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Speaker 2: so how much sleep did he get that night before

628
00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:30,693
Speaker 2: going out the next day and at least pretending that

629
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Speaker 2: he was full of vibrants and energy.

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Speaker 3: No, I think you're right that there are that he

631
00:39:36,373 --> 00:39:42,213
Speaker 3: was on some type of pharmaceutical boost, some type of drug.

632
00:39:43,493 --> 00:39:45,933
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's happened with other presidents in

633
00:39:45,973 --> 00:39:49,213
Speaker 3: the past. Folks don't realize how much of a scandal

634
00:39:49,853 --> 00:39:52,573
Speaker 3: the president's health has been in this country ever since

635
00:39:52,573 --> 00:39:59,413
Speaker 3: Woodrow Wilson, who was incapacitated with a stroke in nineteen nineteen,

636
00:39:59,693 --> 00:40:02,933
Speaker 3: but his wife took over and basically ran the government

637
00:40:02,973 --> 00:40:05,813
Speaker 3: propertly for the final year of his presidency. There was

638
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Speaker 3: I saw on Twitter today photo of the cover of

639
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Speaker 3: the new issue of Vogue, and it's a big portrait

640
00:40:15,293 --> 00:40:19,093
Speaker 3: basically full size of Jill Biden, Jill Biden, and so

641
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Speaker 3: I had fun with Twitter. I said, Vogue has got

642
00:40:22,093 --> 00:40:27,173
Speaker 3: a great photo cover photo of President Biden. So there

643
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:30,253
Speaker 3: have been a lot of lies about president's health of

644
00:40:30,613 --> 00:40:33,413
Speaker 3: President Reagan in his last year in office was pretty

645
00:40:33,453 --> 00:40:36,373
Speaker 3: much mentally shot. But they kind of cover that up,

646
00:40:36,733 --> 00:40:41,453
Speaker 3: he would babble in public, but not too much. You know.

647
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Speaker 3: It's but the fundamental problem is we have a structure

648
00:40:45,813 --> 00:40:48,933
Speaker 3: of government at this point that gives so much power

649
00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:54,573
Speaker 3: and arbitrary power and impunity to the president's I mean,

650
00:40:55,493 --> 00:40:58,653
Speaker 3: it's practically the mirror image of what the founding fathers wanted.

651
00:40:59,213 --> 00:41:01,933
Speaker 3: And this whole notion that we have to let the

652
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Speaker 3: president do what he thinks right, no matter what the

653
00:41:04,373 --> 00:41:07,173
Speaker 3: law of their constitution is. It used to be a

654
00:41:07,213 --> 00:41:11,333
Speaker 3: complete travesty of American values and American ethics. But this

655
00:41:11,453 --> 00:41:14,013
Speaker 3: is where the country has been heading. And I've been

656
00:41:14,093 --> 00:41:16,733
Speaker 3: barking at the Moon on this issue, but I haven't

657
00:41:16,733 --> 00:41:19,933
Speaker 3: had much effect on the Moon or on American politics.

658
00:41:21,133 --> 00:41:23,253
Speaker 2: Well, next time you're barking at the Moon or going

659
00:41:23,293 --> 00:41:26,253
Speaker 2: to let me know and I'll join you down here.

660
00:41:27,333 --> 00:41:27,853
Speaker 3: All right.

661
00:41:28,013 --> 00:41:32,733
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court decisions that have been handed down in

662
00:41:32,773 --> 00:41:37,373
Speaker 2: the last few days, today being or yesterday actually being

663
00:41:37,573 --> 00:41:42,173
Speaker 2: the last day of the year for them, two cases

664
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Speaker 2: that I want to mention to you, the Chevron case

665
00:41:45,573 --> 00:41:49,213
Speaker 2: and of course the Trump case. Can you give us

666
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:55,773
Speaker 2: your precise opinion of each one and the results? And

667
00:41:55,773 --> 00:41:58,933
Speaker 2: I'm asking this question now because you just made a

668
00:41:58,973 --> 00:42:03,533
Speaker 2: comment about giving the president too much power, And I'm

669
00:42:03,573 --> 00:42:06,573
Speaker 2: wondering whether or not the Supreme Court has realize that

670
00:42:06,613 --> 00:42:11,173
Speaker 2: things are out of kilter and realize.

671
00:42:10,773 --> 00:42:12,693
Speaker 3: That Sorry, I shouldn't have laughed.

672
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:15,453
Speaker 2: Well, I'm obviously said something stupid.

673
00:42:16,493 --> 00:42:19,493
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, you didn't say anything stupid.

674
00:42:19,533 --> 00:42:22,693
Speaker 3: It's a Supreme Court that it's been. But no, so

675
00:42:22,813 --> 00:42:27,053
Speaker 3: you asked about the Chevron decision. The nineteen eighty four

676
00:42:27,173 --> 00:42:33,013
Speaker 3: case canonized the notion that federal agencies deserved deference, far

677
00:42:33,093 --> 00:42:37,253
Speaker 3: more difference than private citizens or even the Constitution in

678
00:42:37,413 --> 00:42:40,733
Speaker 3: judging the powers that they seize and the policies which

679
00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:45,693
Speaker 3: they proclaimed. And that was that's a license for administrative tyranny,

680
00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:49,213
Speaker 3: and that's how it's played out in this country. And

681
00:42:49,813 --> 00:42:53,013
Speaker 3: the Court pulled that back last week with the Chevron

682
00:42:53,373 --> 00:42:59,173
Speaker 3: with a new decision striking down the Chevron precedence. It's

683
00:42:59,173 --> 00:43:02,013
Speaker 3: a step in the right direction. There is a long

684
00:43:02,053 --> 00:43:04,253
Speaker 3: ways to go back towards what we used to have

685
00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:08,253
Speaker 3: in this country. As far as the Trump case, you know,

686
00:43:08,773 --> 00:43:12,733
Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a frustrating situation here because there

687
00:43:12,733 --> 00:43:16,133
Speaker 3: have been a lot of bullshit charges against Donald Trump

688
00:43:16,133 --> 00:43:19,573
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, Trump's opponents, including Biden,

689
00:43:19,613 --> 00:43:23,053
Speaker 3: are using law fair. I mean, there were you know,

690
00:43:23,093 --> 00:43:26,453
Speaker 3: there were so many, so many cases where they've simply

691
00:43:26,533 --> 00:43:29,813
Speaker 3: waved a statue of limitation. And so you're going back

692
00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:33,213
Speaker 3: several decades, and he said, she said, it's like, well,

693
00:43:33,253 --> 00:43:35,253
Speaker 3: if it was so bad, how come she didn't say

694
00:43:35,253 --> 00:43:39,933
Speaker 3: that in nineteen ninety six. And if you and if

695
00:43:39,933 --> 00:43:42,613
Speaker 3: you look at what they did in Georgia, I mean,

696
00:43:42,933 --> 00:43:49,213
Speaker 3: completely rigged situation, the the the the prosecution by Alvin

697
00:43:49,253 --> 00:43:54,453
Speaker 3: Bragg which Jerry convicted Trump of thirty four felonies. I

698
00:43:54,453 --> 00:43:58,333
Speaker 3: think that was a complete crock of you know bs

699
00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:07,413
Speaker 3: what I said, what about the judge judge, Yeah, yeah, well,

700
00:44:07,693 --> 00:44:10,573
Speaker 3: well I assue you'll get nominated to New York Supreme Court.

701
00:44:10,733 --> 00:44:14,453
Speaker 3: So I mean it was a farce. It was a farce,

702
00:44:15,093 --> 00:44:18,173
Speaker 3: and it was a farce from the get go. Having

703
00:44:18,373 --> 00:44:22,333
Speaker 3: said that, I mean, it's certainly possible that Trump violated laws,

704
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:27,053
Speaker 3: that Trump, that Trump did commit crimes, But the Supreme

705
00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:32,053
Speaker 3: Court today basically said that a president is exempt from

706
00:44:32,413 --> 00:44:35,573
Speaker 3: legal liability for his official acts during his term of

707
00:44:35,573 --> 00:44:38,893
Speaker 3: office and afterwards. As I unders said, I haven't read

708
00:44:38,893 --> 00:44:43,573
Speaker 3: that closely. I was chasing some other rabbits today, and

709
00:44:43,653 --> 00:44:48,453
Speaker 3: so it's it's a very disturbing ruling. And there's I

710
00:44:48,493 --> 00:44:53,573
Speaker 3: think there were three justices that were kind of perhaps

711
00:44:53,613 --> 00:44:57,293
Speaker 3: barking at the moon for their cause. But if you

712
00:44:57,333 --> 00:45:00,813
Speaker 3: look at some of the rhetoric there, yeah, there's reason

713
00:45:00,853 --> 00:45:05,093
Speaker 3: to be concerned Nixon. Nixon was driven out of office

714
00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:09,733
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy four. Nineteen seventy seven, he sat down

715
00:45:09,973 --> 00:45:13,293
Speaker 3: David Frost has great interviews with him, and one of

716
00:45:13,333 --> 00:45:16,093
Speaker 3: the h and the best known mine from that is

717
00:45:16,333 --> 00:45:18,893
Speaker 3: the jest of it is, it's not illegal if the

718
00:45:18,973 --> 00:45:23,413
Speaker 3: president does it. This is, unfortunately, this is the rule

719
00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:26,733
Speaker 3: of thumb for the oval office in this century, starting

720
00:45:26,733 --> 00:45:28,413
Speaker 3: with George W. Bush.

721
00:45:28,533 --> 00:45:33,733
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's let me throw a couple of let

722
00:45:33,733 --> 00:45:35,973
Speaker 2: me throw a couple of examples at you. The court

723
00:45:36,093 --> 00:45:40,413
Speaker 2: ruled that as long as it was official duties, the

724
00:45:40,453 --> 00:45:45,013
Speaker 2: president could not be held accountable. So who's going to

725
00:45:45,093 --> 00:45:48,133
Speaker 2: decide and the court will obviously who's going to decide though,

726
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:52,093
Speaker 2: whether or not something is official part of his official

727
00:45:52,973 --> 00:45:58,733
Speaker 2: job and what's not. For instance, when he made that

728
00:45:58,853 --> 00:46:03,773
Speaker 2: speech on the sixth of January, was he fulfilling official

729
00:46:03,813 --> 00:46:05,493
Speaker 2: function question one.

730
00:46:05,613 --> 00:46:10,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, it's it's so sad to see how

731
00:46:10,813 --> 00:46:13,973
Speaker 3: the Biden administration and a lot of the media have

732
00:46:14,173 --> 00:46:18,453
Speaker 3: endlessly demagogued. On January sixth, I actually had an article

733
00:46:18,453 --> 00:46:21,453
Speaker 3: that came out during that ruckus, and it was talking

734
00:46:21,453 --> 00:46:25,733
Speaker 3: about how even before then, the media and the Democrats

735
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:30,253
Speaker 3: had greatly expanded the definition of treason, and so they

736
00:46:30,253 --> 00:46:32,973
Speaker 3: were talking about someone being guilty of treason practically if

737
00:46:33,013 --> 00:46:36,813
Speaker 3: they questioned the twenty twenty election result. And this is

738
00:46:36,893 --> 00:46:42,413
Speaker 3: before the ruckus. At the Capitol were quite a few people,

739
00:46:42,533 --> 00:46:46,293
Speaker 3: mostly guys who did violence or attack police that day,

740
00:46:46,333 --> 00:46:50,293
Speaker 3: who deserve our sentences. But this whole notion that anybody

741
00:46:50,533 --> 00:46:53,413
Speaker 3: who was within a mile of radius of the US

742
00:46:53,533 --> 00:46:57,173
Speaker 3: Capitol wearing a Maga hat deserves time in prison, it

743
00:46:57,293 --> 00:47:00,773
Speaker 3: was crazy. It never made any sense. But to take

744
00:47:00,813 --> 00:47:02,973
Speaker 3: a step back, going back to the question of the

745
00:47:03,373 --> 00:47:08,333
Speaker 3: president and the law, turned back the clock twenty one

746
00:47:08,573 --> 00:47:12,373
Speaker 3: years in this country, you've got George W. Bush invading

747
00:47:12,453 --> 00:47:17,373
Speaker 3: Iraq on false pretenses. George Bush misled the nation. He

748
00:47:17,493 --> 00:47:21,213
Speaker 3: knew or should have known that it was completely bogus.

749
00:47:21,973 --> 00:47:25,133
Speaker 3: Bush and his team were out there blaming Saddam Hussein

750
00:47:25,533 --> 00:47:28,733
Speaker 3: for the nine to eleven attacks, that was always bs.

751
00:47:29,053 --> 00:47:30,973
Speaker 3: The Saudis had a hell of a lot more to

752
00:47:31,013 --> 00:47:33,293
Speaker 3: do with it, but they were Bush's buddies, so we

753
00:47:33,293 --> 00:47:36,853
Speaker 3: didn't hear about that. But you had vast carnish resulting

754
00:47:36,893 --> 00:47:40,013
Speaker 3: from that. As I understand it, with the Supreme Court

755
00:47:40,053 --> 00:47:45,773
Speaker 3: decision on the presidential community, Bush would be immune from

756
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:49,733
Speaker 3: indictment or prosecution on that. Granted it wasn't going to

757
00:47:49,813 --> 00:47:54,053
Speaker 3: happen anyhow, but as a moral principle, I'm totally opposed

758
00:47:54,093 --> 00:47:59,573
Speaker 3: to letting I'm totally opposed to letting presidents have this

759
00:48:00,093 --> 00:48:02,853
Speaker 3: unlimited power over the entire globe.

760
00:48:03,493 --> 00:48:07,053
Speaker 2: See, I'm struggling to agree with you. At that particular time,

761
00:48:07,093 --> 00:48:11,253
Speaker 2: I argued on radio in favor of what the Bush

762
00:48:11,293 --> 00:48:15,653
Speaker 2: regime was doing, and I anchored it specifically to the

763
00:48:15,653 --> 00:48:20,373
Speaker 2: fact that to dam Hussein claimed at one point that

764
00:48:20,493 --> 00:48:23,693
Speaker 2: he or at least hinted strongly at one point that

765
00:48:23,773 --> 00:48:27,533
Speaker 2: he had weapons of mass destruction, And on that basis

766
00:48:27,653 --> 00:48:30,333
Speaker 2: where the words came from his own lips, I thought

767
00:48:30,413 --> 00:48:33,453
Speaker 2: that validated what they were doing. Why was I wrong?

768
00:48:35,573 --> 00:48:38,893
Speaker 3: Weapons of mass destruction is not a reason the slaughter

769
00:48:39,133 --> 00:48:42,053
Speaker 3: a foreign nation. I mean, many if not. Most of

770
00:48:42,093 --> 00:48:45,533
Speaker 3: the garments in the world, certainly the ones that are

771
00:48:45,533 --> 00:48:48,133
Speaker 3: not in the Third World, have a lot of weapons

772
00:48:48,333 --> 00:48:51,973
Speaker 3: somewhech would be classified as weapons of mass destruction. Simply

773
00:48:52,013 --> 00:48:55,933
Speaker 3: because he possessed weapons did not give the American government

774
00:48:55,973 --> 00:49:00,413
Speaker 3: the right to kill tens of thousands of Iranqis, even

775
00:49:00,453 --> 00:49:03,453
Speaker 3: if they had had weapons of mass destruction, unless they

776
00:49:03,493 --> 00:49:07,093
Speaker 3: were using them against using them to launch an attack

777
00:49:07,213 --> 00:49:10,013
Speaker 3: against the US. The US had no right to go

778
00:49:10,093 --> 00:49:10,853
Speaker 3: after him.

779
00:49:11,373 --> 00:49:15,293
Speaker 2: His intention, though at the time, was conveyed as being

780
00:49:15,453 --> 00:49:17,213
Speaker 2: one of doing exactly.

781
00:49:16,773 --> 00:49:20,693
Speaker 3: That, was it not? And who was it who was

782
00:49:20,733 --> 00:49:26,293
Speaker 3: conveying his intention him? I don't I don't think he was.

783
00:49:27,453 --> 00:49:30,853
Speaker 3: I mean, he made a lot of mistakes. He was.

784
00:49:30,933 --> 00:49:34,093
Speaker 3: He was a ruthless dictator. He killed a lot of

785
00:49:34,093 --> 00:49:38,853
Speaker 3: innocent Iraqis. But I don't think that he ever said

786
00:49:38,893 --> 00:49:42,413
Speaker 3: things that would have been justifiable pretexts for US invasion.

787
00:49:42,733 --> 00:49:45,093
Speaker 2: All right, let me let me stretch this just a

788
00:49:45,173 --> 00:49:51,533
Speaker 2: little longer. So the Iranians are undoubtedly, unquestionably working on

789
00:49:52,013 --> 00:49:53,413
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon weaponry.

790
00:49:53,813 --> 00:49:54,693
Speaker 3: What's your source?

791
00:49:55,653 --> 00:49:56,653
Speaker 2: Multiple sources?

792
00:49:58,053 --> 00:49:58,933
Speaker 3: Are they credible?

793
00:49:59,613 --> 00:50:03,093
Speaker 2: Well, let's I mean, I take your question. I've thought

794
00:50:03,133 --> 00:50:07,733
Speaker 2: about it. I have thought about it constantly. Let me

795
00:50:07,773 --> 00:50:10,413
Speaker 2: put it this way, we know what the what the

796
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:17,533
Speaker 2: Iranians are doing in supporting various groups like Hezbollah over

797
00:50:17,573 --> 00:50:21,973
Speaker 2: a period of time, and that their intentions the intentions

798
00:50:22,013 --> 00:50:24,733
Speaker 2: of the present administration, and it's been there for some

799
00:50:24,893 --> 00:50:28,093
Speaker 2: time to wipe out Israel. Would you accept that?

800
00:50:28,453 --> 00:50:29,973
Speaker 3: No?

801
00:50:30,173 --> 00:50:33,253
Speaker 2: I mean, then what's what's your what's your source?

802
00:50:34,693 --> 00:50:34,813
Speaker 1: Uh?

803
00:50:36,173 --> 00:50:40,373
Speaker 3: Uh, there's there's a lot of alternative sources on the news.

804
00:50:40,453 --> 00:50:43,453
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a bad government. Uh, it's

805
00:50:43,493 --> 00:50:46,293
Speaker 3: a very oppressive government. But it's a part of the

806
00:50:46,333 --> 00:50:49,493
Speaker 3: world where almost all the governments are bad and oppressive.

807
00:50:49,573 --> 00:50:52,373
Speaker 2: Yes, but they're the biggest, they're the biggest, the biggest

808
00:50:52,373 --> 00:50:57,573
Speaker 2: supporters of of terror, certainly in that part of the world,

809
00:50:57,573 --> 00:50:58,493
Speaker 2: if not elsewhere.

810
00:51:00,933 --> 00:51:05,373
Speaker 3: What is your definition of terror? Is it only private groups?

811
00:51:05,573 --> 00:51:08,693
Speaker 3: Because if you include government, governments do hell of a

812
00:51:08,733 --> 00:51:10,973
Speaker 3: lot more terrorizing than private groups.

813
00:51:11,253 --> 00:51:14,773
Speaker 2: Would you accept that there is a danger that the

814
00:51:14,813 --> 00:51:19,853
Speaker 2: Iranians might be behind a forthcoming attack on America and

815
00:51:20,253 --> 00:51:21,773
Speaker 2: nine eleven? Is that possible?

816
00:51:22,453 --> 00:51:25,613
Speaker 3: It's possible that they and a lot of other nations

817
00:51:25,613 --> 00:51:29,413
Speaker 3: and other groups could attempt to launch another attack on

818
00:51:29,493 --> 00:51:34,733
Speaker 3: the US. But it doesn't build confidence that it took

819
00:51:34,813 --> 00:51:40,253
Speaker 3: US fifteen years to see the confidential Congress report linking

820
00:51:40,293 --> 00:51:43,653
Speaker 3: the Saudi government to the nine to eleven attacks. I mean,

821
00:51:45,013 --> 00:51:48,373
Speaker 3: you know, there were so many levels of so many

822
00:51:48,413 --> 00:51:51,333
Speaker 3: shovels of bs that the US government and a lot

823
00:51:51,333 --> 00:51:55,373
Speaker 3: of the American media did to avoid fingering the Saudis

824
00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:58,413
Speaker 3: on the nine to eleven attacks. And the US government

825
00:51:58,453 --> 00:52:03,133
Speaker 3: is still blocking lawsuits seeking to discover to discover the

826
00:52:03,173 --> 00:52:07,173
Speaker 3: full extent of Saudis support for the hijackers. Fifteen of

827
00:52:07,213 --> 00:52:11,733
Speaker 3: the nineteen were south but that fact practically banished once

828
00:52:11,813 --> 00:52:15,333
Speaker 3: George W. Bush and Cheney said, Hey, it was Saddan.

829
00:52:15,933 --> 00:52:18,853
Speaker 3: So I mean, I don't trust folks who are trying

830
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:20,573
Speaker 3: to drag us into another war.

831
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Speaker 2: Well, I have some sympathy with that. But my final

832
00:52:25,293 --> 00:52:29,733
Speaker 2: point is if we accept that, I do that Iran

833
00:52:30,413 --> 00:52:35,133
Speaker 2: has ambitions beyond its entitlementers. Okay, that different when they

834
00:52:35,213 --> 00:52:39,413
Speaker 2: develop nuclear capability, they are going to be much harder

835
00:52:39,453 --> 00:52:43,773
Speaker 2: to deal with. Would you approve then, if any administration

836
00:52:44,013 --> 00:52:49,133
Speaker 2: of the United States, or for that matter, the Israelis

837
00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:55,893
Speaker 2: with American backing, took out their nuclear capabilities before they

838
00:52:55,933 --> 00:52:56,573
Speaker 2: reached the goal.

839
00:52:57,933 --> 00:53:00,693
Speaker 3: No, I would not do that because for over twenty

840
00:53:00,813 --> 00:53:04,013
Speaker 3: years we've been hearing that the Iranians are two or

841
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:07,533
Speaker 3: three or four years away from having nuclear weapons. There

842
00:53:07,573 --> 00:53:10,693
Speaker 3: have been so many false claims on this, and I

843
00:53:10,733 --> 00:53:14,533
Speaker 3: think it would be folly to go into another Middle

844
00:53:14,533 --> 00:53:16,893
Speaker 3: Eastern war with the nation that was a whole lot

845
00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:20,813
Speaker 3: bigger than Iraq, and the US basically lost the Iraq War,

846
00:53:21,253 --> 00:53:25,293
Speaker 3: that lost the Afghanistan war. And I don't see, you know,

847
00:53:25,493 --> 00:53:27,773
Speaker 3: what best out of three or best out of five

848
00:53:27,853 --> 00:53:31,053
Speaker 3: here or what I mean. I don't see any any

849
00:53:31,093 --> 00:53:35,653
Speaker 3: reason for the US to intervene because things have worked

850
00:53:35,653 --> 00:53:38,093
Speaker 3: out very badly for the US and for the nations

851
00:53:38,093 --> 00:53:39,053
Speaker 3: where they intervened.

852
00:53:39,813 --> 00:53:42,413
Speaker 2: So what would your advice be if you had easier

853
00:53:42,973 --> 00:53:46,693
Speaker 2: to the next president with regard to dealing with the Iranians.

854
00:53:47,493 --> 00:53:50,093
Speaker 3: With regard to dealing with the Iranians, I mean I

855
00:53:50,133 --> 00:53:52,893
Speaker 3: would I'd keep an eye on them. I would definitely

856
00:53:52,973 --> 00:53:56,333
Speaker 3: keep an eye on them and see what they're up to.

857
00:53:56,533 --> 00:53:59,653
Speaker 3: But it's not like we can afford to, you know.

858
00:54:00,293 --> 00:54:05,933
Speaker 3: The the basic basic problem that has plagued the US

859
00:54:06,053 --> 00:54:09,333
Speaker 3: foreign policy for decades is this new motion that the

860
00:54:09,453 --> 00:54:12,853
Speaker 3: US has a right and a duty to scourge any

861
00:54:12,933 --> 00:54:17,253
Speaker 3: foreign threats and uh, and it's been and it's it's

862
00:54:17,293 --> 00:54:21,613
Speaker 3: a kind of notion that bligns Americans to the failures

863
00:54:21,653 --> 00:54:24,773
Speaker 3: and follies of US foreign policy. And they're being a

864
00:54:24,853 --> 00:54:27,013
Speaker 3: hell of a lot more than Congress or the American

865
00:54:27,013 --> 00:54:27,973
Speaker 3: media recognize.

866
00:54:28,853 --> 00:54:32,573
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Let me ask you some quick questions. Having

867
00:54:32,653 --> 00:54:36,213
Speaker 2: mentioned Michelle Obama already, who would you who would you

868
00:54:36,293 --> 00:54:39,013
Speaker 2: choose or who would you rather see as the president

869
00:54:39,653 --> 00:54:44,293
Speaker 2: if it came down to Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris.

870
00:54:48,133 --> 00:54:50,653
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a great choice. I mean, this is like,

871
00:54:50,853 --> 00:54:54,693
Speaker 3: you know, there's a good comic comparison here. It's like,

872
00:54:54,893 --> 00:54:59,093
Speaker 3: uh and and second prize is two weeks in Philadelphia, right, yes,

873
00:55:00,173 --> 00:55:06,893
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I uh, I you know they're both bad choices. So, however,

874
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:09,373
Speaker 3: I think if if either one of them is nominated

875
00:55:09,373 --> 00:55:10,453
Speaker 3: that they will not win.

876
00:55:10,853 --> 00:55:13,293
Speaker 2: So no, no, no, But if there was, I'm asking

877
00:55:13,293 --> 00:55:15,733
Speaker 2: you which one you would prefer not to have?

878
00:55:16,293 --> 00:55:19,173
Speaker 3: Well, Harris has more of a record as far as

879
00:55:19,213 --> 00:55:22,453
Speaker 3: working for the government. The abuses that she committed as

880
00:55:22,493 --> 00:55:26,573
Speaker 3: a prosecutor in California shouldn't have disqualified her forever, but

881
00:55:26,653 --> 00:55:27,173
Speaker 3: they haven't.

882
00:55:27,733 --> 00:55:29,973
Speaker 2: Extraordinary, isn't it yep, Biden.

883
00:55:30,093 --> 00:55:32,653
Speaker 3: Well this is sorry, Please go ahead.

884
00:55:32,773 --> 00:55:35,693
Speaker 2: The Biden clan, I'm talking the whole family, you know,

885
00:55:35,853 --> 00:55:39,653
Speaker 2: Camp David and what have you. The Biden clan do

886
00:55:39,893 --> 00:55:42,333
Speaker 2: have issues that need to be built with, Do you

887
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:42,973
Speaker 2: not think.

888
00:55:45,853 --> 00:55:49,933
Speaker 3: Like thievery and money laundering and collecting all kinds of bribes,

889
00:55:50,173 --> 00:55:53,533
Speaker 3: those kinds of issues. Yeah, that'll do for stuff. Yeah,

890
00:55:53,573 --> 00:55:55,773
Speaker 3: it'll do for a start. But here again, this is

891
00:55:55,973 --> 00:55:59,333
Speaker 3: this is something with that Supreme Court decision. Well, he

892
00:55:59,493 --> 00:56:01,533
Speaker 3: was in office, and so it'd be kind of rude

893
00:56:01,573 --> 00:56:05,253
Speaker 3: to prosecute, but it was kind of official because because

894
00:56:05,293 --> 00:56:07,693
Speaker 3: he was seeing the president of China, this, that and

895
00:56:07,773 --> 00:56:11,453
Speaker 3: the other. Yeah, I mean it used to be that

896
00:56:12,373 --> 00:56:16,213
Speaker 3: presidents were like people understood that the rule of law

897
00:56:16,333 --> 00:56:19,493
Speaker 3: means that no one is above the law. But with

898
00:56:19,613 --> 00:56:22,293
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court decision today, and with a trend in

899
00:56:22,333 --> 00:56:25,653
Speaker 3: this country for decades, not only do you have presidents

900
00:56:25,693 --> 00:56:28,333
Speaker 3: who are above the law, you've got a vast number

901
00:56:28,373 --> 00:56:32,533
Speaker 3: of top government officials who can commit crimes with impunity.

902
00:56:33,173 --> 00:56:35,533
Speaker 2: Is it impunity because nobody will pursue them.

903
00:56:36,173 --> 00:56:37,893
Speaker 3: That's how impunity normally works.

904
00:56:37,973 --> 00:56:41,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, not because they're protected by the law,

905
00:56:41,573 --> 00:56:44,973
Speaker 2: but because nobody wants to well, to this point, nobody

906
00:56:44,973 --> 00:56:47,053
Speaker 2: wants to take the head off the beast.

907
00:56:49,333 --> 00:56:51,973
Speaker 3: You know, some of both, I mean. But there's another

908
00:56:52,053 --> 00:56:55,613
Speaker 3: wrinkle here, and that is a secrecy. The US government

909
00:56:56,013 --> 00:56:58,813
Speaker 3: is creating trillions of pages of new secrets every year.

910
00:56:59,733 --> 00:57:03,733
Speaker 3: That's equivalent to twenty billion filing cabinets full of double

911
00:57:03,773 --> 00:57:10,933
Speaker 3: space pages. So is committing more crimes than Americans will

912
00:57:10,973 --> 00:57:14,093
Speaker 3: ever know. And so that's one more way that the

913
00:57:14,373 --> 00:57:17,693
Speaker 3: deck is stacked against preserving our rights and liberties.

914
00:57:18,973 --> 00:57:21,053
Speaker 2: Want to quote you from your own work rather than

915
00:57:21,093 --> 00:57:23,853
Speaker 2: the rule of law. We have a government of threats, intimidation,

916
00:57:23,973 --> 00:57:29,293
Speaker 2: and browbeating. Government of the people defaulted into government for

917
00:57:29,333 --> 00:57:34,533
Speaker 2: the people, which degenerated into perennially punishing people for their

918
00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:38,493
Speaker 2: own good. Twenty five years ago, Supreme Justice Ruth Bata

919
00:57:38,533 --> 00:57:44,813
Speaker 2: Ginsburg warned against permitting federal agencies the extraordinary authority to

920
00:57:45,013 --> 00:57:49,093
Speaker 2: manufacture crimes? Has that got? That was twenty five years ago?

921
00:57:49,973 --> 00:57:51,013
Speaker 2: How much worse is it?

922
00:57:51,053 --> 00:57:54,693
Speaker 3: Got? A whole lot worse, a whole lot worse. If

923
00:57:54,693 --> 00:57:57,533
Speaker 3: you look at a lot of gun violations, there's a

924
00:57:57,573 --> 00:58:00,693
Speaker 3: lot of entrapment in those things. Drug cases have been

925
00:58:00,853 --> 00:58:05,333
Speaker 3: entrapment from the get go. It often happens when you're

926
00:58:05,333 --> 00:58:09,573
Speaker 3: trying to do nail people for non violent or crimes

927
00:58:09,613 --> 00:58:13,453
Speaker 3: of consent where people were selling something the government doesn't improve.

928
00:58:13,613 --> 00:58:17,813
Speaker 3: You set somebody up. But no, I mean, there's so

929
00:58:17,813 --> 00:58:22,573
Speaker 3: many different sting operations. You've had the FBI setting up people,

930
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:27,613
Speaker 3: setting up people to do Ku Klux Klan protests with

931
00:58:27,773 --> 00:58:33,013
Speaker 3: the FBI informants in charge. You've got the FBI paying

932
00:58:33,053 --> 00:58:37,013
Speaker 3: for neo Nazi propaganda in some cases. You've got the

933
00:58:37,093 --> 00:58:41,933
Speaker 3: FBI covering for all kinds of horrendous folks that help

934
00:58:42,013 --> 00:58:43,813
Speaker 3: the FBI generate more cases.

935
00:58:44,613 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 2: How much was the FBI involved in January sixth.

936
00:58:48,933 --> 00:58:51,173
Speaker 3: You know, I wish I knew. I wish I knew.

937
00:58:51,253 --> 00:58:53,613
Speaker 3: I think that they were involved a hell of a

938
00:58:53,653 --> 00:58:56,533
Speaker 3: lot more than media's admitted. There were so many warning

939
00:58:56,613 --> 00:58:59,933
Speaker 3: signs that were disregarded they were involved in it. It

940
00:58:59,973 --> 00:59:02,213
Speaker 3: would be great if we knew. Here we are three

941
00:59:02,213 --> 00:59:06,613
Speaker 3: and a half years later, and the governments has succeeded

942
00:59:06,653 --> 00:59:11,093
Speaker 3: in covering up most of its role, and that ruckus.

943
00:59:11,773 --> 00:59:14,293
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, you've just triggered something I hadn't

944
00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:19,373
Speaker 2: even thought of. Trump has said that rather rapidly after

945
00:59:19,613 --> 00:59:24,933
Speaker 2: gaining office, he would release the files on the Kennedy murder.

946
00:59:25,573 --> 00:59:27,133
Speaker 2: What do you think those What do you think is

947
00:59:27,173 --> 00:59:27,893
Speaker 2: in those files?

948
00:59:29,573 --> 00:59:32,333
Speaker 3: Lots of dirt? But Trump said, you do that last

949
00:59:32,333 --> 00:59:37,733
Speaker 3: time too. Trump was making a big shortly before he

950
00:59:37,853 --> 00:59:40,093
Speaker 3: left office. Trump made a big deal about all these

951
00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:43,493
Speaker 3: federal documents he was going to release, but he got rolled.

952
00:59:44,053 --> 00:59:44,733
Speaker 3: He didn't do it.

953
00:59:45,413 --> 00:59:47,733
Speaker 2: Do you not think that this time around he's in

954
00:59:47,773 --> 00:59:50,053
Speaker 2: a much different position to what he was for the

955
00:59:50,093 --> 00:59:53,973
Speaker 2: first term, that he can capitalize on the knowledge that

956
00:59:54,013 --> 00:59:56,893
Speaker 2: he that he garnered during that period and the lessons

957
00:59:56,893 --> 00:59:57,453
Speaker 2: that he learned.

958
00:59:59,973 --> 01:00:03,173
Speaker 3: That question brings to mind my favorite line from Samuel

959
01:00:03,253 --> 01:00:06,733
Speaker 3: Johnson about the triumph of hope over experience.

960
01:00:07,413 --> 01:00:10,213
Speaker 2: M I felt there was something personal in that comment.

961
01:00:12,893 --> 01:00:16,493
Speaker 3: No, it's just, uh, I would I would like to see,

962
01:00:17,013 --> 01:00:21,013
Speaker 3: you know, I'd be happy if Trump gets if if

963
01:00:21,013 --> 01:00:24,133
Speaker 3: Trump does get elected, if he opens up these files

964
01:00:24,173 --> 01:00:27,493
Speaker 3: and opens up these secrets. And I guess I'm I'm

965
01:00:27,653 --> 01:00:30,173
Speaker 3: I'm skeptical because because a lot of the people that

966
01:00:30,213 --> 01:00:34,693
Speaker 3: Trump has put around him and has has endorsed, There's

967
01:00:34,733 --> 01:00:38,933
Speaker 3: a guy, a Congressman Mike Rogers running from Michigan. He's

968
01:00:38,973 --> 01:00:41,813
Speaker 3: going up against the guy who's really good, former Congressman

969
01:00:41,973 --> 01:00:45,733
Speaker 3: Justin Mamash, who was great on civil liberties. But Mike

970
01:00:45,813 --> 01:00:50,653
Speaker 3: Rogers was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. I

971
01:00:50,653 --> 01:00:54,093
Speaker 3: think when Edward Snowden did his leagues, and this is

972
01:00:54,133 --> 01:00:57,653
Speaker 3: a paraphrase, I think I'm doing injustice. But Rogers said

973
01:00:57,693 --> 01:01:00,173
Speaker 3: something to the fact, well, if people don't know that

974
01:01:00,173 --> 01:01:03,773
Speaker 3: their privacy has been violated, then their privacy really hasn't

975
01:01:03,813 --> 01:01:08,013
Speaker 3: been violated. And it sounded kind of like the slogan

976
01:01:08,053 --> 01:01:10,853
Speaker 3: the here from some guy that used date rape drugs.

977
01:01:11,253 --> 01:01:12,293
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought of that.

978
01:01:12,573 --> 01:01:18,133
Speaker 3: Thank goodness, you have a much loftier mind than I do.

979
01:01:18,333 --> 01:01:21,973
Speaker 3: That's the difference in this entire interview. You know, that's

980
01:01:22,013 --> 01:01:24,453
Speaker 3: where the disconnect comes from. You're you're a way up

981
01:01:24,453 --> 01:01:27,373
Speaker 3: there amount o lippus, and I'm just just a muck raker.

982
01:01:28,053 --> 01:01:29,053
Speaker 2: What are you talking about.

983
01:01:29,813 --> 01:01:31,533
Speaker 3: I was trying to make a joke. It didn't work

984
01:01:31,653 --> 01:01:34,773
Speaker 3: very well. Feel free to edit it out if you want.

985
01:01:35,253 --> 01:01:37,333
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm just too busy trying to think of

986
01:01:37,333 --> 01:01:40,053
Speaker 2: where we're going, because I want to get a couple

987
01:01:40,053 --> 01:01:45,253
Speaker 2: more things in before we conclude. Trump has yet to

988
01:01:45,293 --> 01:01:48,333
Speaker 2: announce who his running mate will be. It's a pretty

989
01:01:48,333 --> 01:01:51,653
Speaker 2: wide open field, and there's all sorts of arguments for

990
01:01:52,253 --> 01:01:55,893
Speaker 2: all sorts of different people. Is there anybody that stands

991
01:01:55,933 --> 01:01:56,413
Speaker 2: out for you?

992
01:01:57,133 --> 01:01:59,813
Speaker 3: Well, I think it'd be great if he would choose

993
01:01:59,893 --> 01:02:03,373
Speaker 3: Rand Paul as his running mate. That would be a

994
01:02:03,453 --> 01:02:09,173
Speaker 3: real boost of confidence. Mike Lee would also be very good. Uh, basically,

995
01:02:09,253 --> 01:02:12,253
Speaker 3: as far as someone who would give would have a

996
01:02:12,413 --> 01:02:15,813
Speaker 3: very good compass on foreign policy, Center Vance would be good.

997
01:02:16,893 --> 01:02:20,493
Speaker 3: A wild car would be Tulci Gavn, former Democratic congresswoman,

998
01:02:20,573 --> 01:02:23,853
Speaker 3: but that's probably not gonna happen. There's lots of people

999
01:02:23,893 --> 01:02:28,293
Speaker 3: whose names I'm seeing Benny about are utterly chilling, But

1000
01:02:29,093 --> 01:02:35,733
Speaker 3: give me a couple of those. Nicky Haley interesting why

1001
01:02:36,493 --> 01:02:37,573
Speaker 3: she's a warmonger.

1002
01:02:38,173 --> 01:02:40,093
Speaker 2: Do you think she would influence him that much?

1003
01:02:41,213 --> 01:02:44,813
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, you know, Trump is interesting. He's

1004
01:02:45,453 --> 01:02:50,333
Speaker 3: very intelligent, but in his you know, in his initial term,

1005
01:02:50,533 --> 01:02:53,493
Speaker 3: perhaps his only term, but his first term anyhow, he

1006
01:02:53,493 --> 01:02:55,813
Speaker 3: didn't seem to pay that much attention to the details

1007
01:02:55,813 --> 01:02:59,213
Speaker 3: of government policy. He was busy tweeting and you know,

1008
01:02:59,333 --> 01:03:02,653
Speaker 3: watching Fox News, and it's like, you know, dude, you know,

1009
01:03:02,693 --> 01:03:05,133
Speaker 3: how about you put some control. It seemed like he

1010
01:03:05,253 --> 01:03:09,333
Speaker 3: just handed the keys to the intration into a son

1011
01:03:09,373 --> 01:03:11,693
Speaker 3: in law and his daughter, and it's like, you know, well,

1012
01:03:11,733 --> 01:03:15,053
Speaker 3: you know, good luck with this. That's an overstatement, but

1013
01:03:15,213 --> 01:03:16,973
Speaker 3: you know he didn't do that well. But it was

1014
01:03:16,973 --> 01:03:19,213
Speaker 3: always a man on issues in which he was pretty good.

1015
01:03:19,253 --> 01:03:19,493
Speaker 3: What's that?

1016
01:03:19,693 --> 01:03:21,693
Speaker 2: I think it was a bad look, the.

1017
01:03:25,053 --> 01:03:26,373
Speaker 3: Dreadful look, dredful.

1018
01:03:27,213 --> 01:03:29,893
Speaker 2: So I want to throw a name at you and

1019
01:03:29,933 --> 01:03:34,093
Speaker 2: get your immediate reaction. John Radcliffe, Oh, you know on

1020
01:03:34,293 --> 01:03:38,613
Speaker 2: the it's ringing a small bell. Where's the bell? National

1021
01:03:38,653 --> 01:03:44,253
Speaker 2: Security advisor? Okay, he was involved in national security?

1022
01:03:45,333 --> 01:03:49,493
Speaker 3: Okay? And what him is VP or what?

1023
01:03:49,693 --> 01:03:52,813
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1024
01:03:52,013 --> 01:03:54,613
Speaker 3: I don't know enough to react.

1025
01:03:54,373 --> 01:03:59,613
Speaker 2: Okay, and that's fair enough. So probably finally, I'm intrigued

1026
01:03:59,653 --> 01:04:04,013
Speaker 2: in your view of the developments in the Julian the

1027
01:04:04,093 --> 01:04:04,733
Speaker 2: Sange case.

1028
01:04:05,253 --> 01:04:08,933
Speaker 3: Okay, Biden is you know, there was a line and

1029
01:04:09,013 --> 01:04:11,773
Speaker 3: I wrote about this last week and I said, this

1030
01:04:11,853 --> 01:04:15,533
Speaker 3: is one of the areas where the Biden administration has

1031
01:04:15,573 --> 01:04:19,373
Speaker 3: been slightly less odious than the Trump administration, because it

1032
01:04:19,493 --> 01:04:22,333
Speaker 3: was a Trump administration that indicted him and hounded him.

1033
01:04:23,053 --> 01:04:26,813
Speaker 3: There was a USA Today article I did I guess

1034
01:04:26,813 --> 01:04:30,613
Speaker 3: six years ago that set of that said instead of

1035
01:04:30,613 --> 01:04:34,133
Speaker 3: an indictment. Julian Asian should get a Presidential Medal of

1036
01:04:34,253 --> 01:04:38,813
Speaker 3: Freedom for all the things that he exposed, helping Americans

1037
01:04:39,053 --> 01:04:44,333
Speaker 3: understand their government and the failures of US interventions in

1038
01:04:44,373 --> 01:04:45,093
Speaker 3: many countries.

1039
01:04:46,013 --> 01:04:50,453
Speaker 2: I have members of my family who are ex military,

1040
01:04:50,973 --> 01:04:54,773
Speaker 2: and just then for a start, I think otherwise. But

1041
01:04:54,893 --> 01:04:59,213
Speaker 2: I used them as an example of the fact that

1042
01:04:59,213 --> 01:05:02,293
Speaker 2: I've actually got had a bit of conversation with regard

1043
01:05:02,333 --> 01:05:06,053
Speaker 2: to this. But it's mostly military people or military connections

1044
01:05:06,053 --> 01:05:08,133
Speaker 2: who think otherwise and think that he should have been

1045
01:05:08,733 --> 01:05:11,853
Speaker 2: looked up for life or whatever. The fact that the

1046
01:05:12,293 --> 01:05:15,173
Speaker 2: fact that he ended up not being Do you really

1047
01:05:15,173 --> 01:05:18,893
Speaker 2: think it was Biden's decision, because I don't.

1048
01:05:21,053 --> 01:05:25,013
Speaker 3: I think that the Biden people recognize that they could

1049
01:05:25,093 --> 01:05:29,573
Speaker 3: be embarrassed hugely by defeat in British court on whether

1050
01:05:29,613 --> 01:05:33,973
Speaker 3: he would be extradited. There was there was some impact

1051
01:05:34,053 --> 01:05:36,653
Speaker 3: from the media campaign, some of the top papers and

1052
01:05:36,693 --> 01:05:40,653
Speaker 3: outlets here pushing for assnge for the charges to be dropped.

1053
01:05:42,053 --> 01:05:45,253
Speaker 3: I don't know what other strings were being pulled. I mean,

1054
01:05:45,493 --> 01:05:48,213
Speaker 3: you know, this is a good example. Okay, so it was.

1055
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:51,293
Speaker 3: It was a good decision, but how many years is

1056
01:05:51,293 --> 01:05:53,173
Speaker 3: it going to be until we find out what really

1057
01:05:53,213 --> 01:05:56,333
Speaker 3: happened five years, ten years, maybe after both of us

1058
01:05:56,373 --> 01:05:56,813
Speaker 3: are dead.

1059
01:05:57,373 --> 01:05:59,933
Speaker 2: Well, the same thing applies, I suppose to the to

1060
01:06:00,013 --> 01:06:02,173
Speaker 2: the Kennedy records.

1061
01:06:03,293 --> 01:06:07,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's a perfect example, because what

1062
01:06:08,013 --> 01:06:11,893
Speaker 3: did Justice Earl Warren out of their Warrant Commission and

1063
01:06:11,973 --> 01:06:15,853
Speaker 3: others did. They had this big investigation and then sealed

1064
01:06:15,853 --> 01:06:18,573
Speaker 3: the records for seventy five years. I mean, this is

1065
01:06:18,693 --> 01:06:21,853
Speaker 3: complete bs. I mean that standard policy. I guess in

1066
01:06:21,893 --> 01:06:24,813
Speaker 3: Britain with the Official Secrets Act. Maybe not the same

1067
01:06:24,933 --> 01:06:29,093
Speaker 3: number of years, but it makes a travesy of democracy.

1068
01:06:29,333 --> 01:06:33,693
Speaker 3: If folks don't know what the government is doing in

1069
01:06:33,733 --> 01:06:36,333
Speaker 3: their name, then they might as well be serfs in

1070
01:06:36,373 --> 01:06:37,173
Speaker 3: the Middle Ages.

1071
01:06:37,653 --> 01:06:40,973
Speaker 2: Again, I want to quote from last rites. School children

1072
01:06:41,373 --> 01:06:45,373
Speaker 2: are being sacrificed on an altar of social justice, from

1073
01:06:45,773 --> 01:06:50,373
Speaker 2: no Child left Behind to common Core. The federal dictats

1074
01:06:51,093 --> 01:06:54,693
Speaker 2: have subverted academic standards and squanted billions of ours of

1075
01:06:54,693 --> 01:06:57,813
Speaker 2: our kids' lives. Teacher unions have worked to destroy local

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Speaker 2: control of education, prevent teacher accountability, deny parents any voice,

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Speaker 2: any voice in their children's education, and pointlessly shut down

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Speaker 2: schools during the pandemic in lieu of literacy. Government schools

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Speaker 2: are redefining gender and indoctrinating kids with values that many

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Speaker 2: parents detest. When mothers and fathers raised hell at school

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Speaker 2: board meetings, the Biden administration and the FBI labeled them

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Speaker 2: as terrorst suspects and treated some of them, I will add,

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Speaker 2: and treated some of them accordingly.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I mean I knew that was going on, but I

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Speaker 2: read that paragraph and I was. It seriously got to me,

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Speaker 2: how on earth, how on earth had this happened government schools.

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Speaker 2: Teacher unions are some of the strongest unions in this country.

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Speaker 2: They have really rolled a lot of the opposition. They've

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Speaker 2: have turned the schools, and especially in big cities where

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Speaker 2: the schools are worse, where kids are at least likely

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Speaker 2: to learn how to read, the teacher unions have got

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Speaker 2: almost unlibered sway and it's it was fascinating to see

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Speaker 2: how they shut down. There were all these protests by

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Speaker 2: teachers they would have Teachers were outraged that they would

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Speaker 2: have any risk when they went back to school during

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Speaker 2: the pandemic. I mean, other workers had to accept at risk,

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Speaker 2: but the teachers wanted to have their full salary and

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Speaker 2: have these zoom classes that were a complete failure, and

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Speaker 2: it did the greatest harm to low income kids that

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Speaker 2: might not have good Internet connections. So and then there's

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Speaker 2: the other thing that the schools have gone on a crusade.

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Speaker 2: They are ignoring, like the phonics method for teaching reading,

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Speaker 2: part of the reason that reading skills have gone so

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Speaker 2: bad here, and instead they're just encouraging kids in kindergarten

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Speaker 2: to question their own gender. I mean, this is I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a full employment program for therapists and it's an

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Speaker 2: absolute travesy and there's so many lives being messed up

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Speaker 2: by this, and it's an insanity.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So the latest book, which came out a few months ago,

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Speaker 2: is called Last Rights, based on the book thirty years ago,

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Speaker 2: Lost Rights, Last Rights, The Death of American Liberty. Why

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Speaker 2: would why would people in this part of the world,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, Australia. I got a reasonable audience in America too,

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Speaker 2: by the way, But in this part of the world,

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Speaker 2: why would they know?

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Speaker 3: Not?

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Speaker 2: Why what would they get from reading that book?

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be of interest to anyone in English

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Speaker 3: speaking nations or other nations where you've got democratic or

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Speaker 3: semi democratic nations where the government is seizing so much power,

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Speaker 3: it's making a travesy of the Constitution, and people's rights

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Speaker 3: are being lost every passing year. There are a lot

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Speaker 3: of parallels. For instance, the chapter in the book Last

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Speaker 3: Race on COVID policy a lot of parallel to what

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Speaker 3: happened in Australia and New Zealand. Same type of hissory

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Speaker 3: we had Fauci here. I'm sure there were other demagogues

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Speaker 3: in Australians in some of these states. Is it called states, provinces.

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Speaker 2: States states in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean there were a couple of states

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Speaker 3: I was reading about and it was just it was

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Speaker 3: bizarre how far the power stretched. And that would have

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Speaker 3: been Victoria just for a stop. Okay, Well, and there's

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Speaker 3: the chapter and gun control in there. I've got a

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Speaker 3: discussion on the Second Amendment that talks about how firearms

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Speaker 3: are are an insurance policy against tyranny, because if the

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Speaker 3: government takes away all your means means to resist, then

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Speaker 3: you know your cannon fodder for them. They can do

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Speaker 3: whatever they want. And it's something the founding father is recognized.

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Speaker 3: There's some wonderful quotes from early American history because this

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Speaker 3: is how the Americans beat the British in the seventeen

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Speaker 3: seventies and seventeen eighties. But it's almost as if we're

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Speaker 3: supposed to hate guns because people might resist the garment.

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Speaker 3: But you know, if you look at history, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of garments that deserve resisting.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely true, Jim. It's been well over now and it's

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Speaker 2: been most enjoyable. I feel like I want to go

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Speaker 2: on for longer, but I but I shan't stress you.

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Speaker 2: But we'll do it again, hopefully in another three years.

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Speaker 2: It's been a privilege.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, it's it's a privilege for me to talk

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Speaker 3: to such a great host, who's got who's famous, famous

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Speaker 3: in multiple countries for your long record of top quality stuff.

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Speaker 3: So and thanks for your thoughtful questions that pushed me

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Speaker 3: to think a little bit and almost push me to

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Speaker 3: the edge of my cynicism.

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Speaker 2: That would be a victory or perhaps maybe so Thank

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Speaker 2: you and you take care. Thanks so much for having

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Speaker 2: me on. Thank you, Jim. Well, I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: that as much as I did. Jim is very good

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Speaker 2: and I have a couple of ideas. We'll talk with

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Speaker 2: him again soon because there are things that I would

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Speaker 2: like his opinion on and he delivers so well so,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, that brings us to a close. Next

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Speaker 2: week we should everything being equal, provided nothing goes wrong,

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Speaker 2: we shall return and we'll give you a fullsome podcast

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Speaker 2: at least that's the plan. Happy new Year for the

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Speaker 2: I think the last time, and we'll see what twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six brings us in the meantime. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmmmmmm.

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