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Speaker 1: Like Noah Ellie Jones read PR Jordan Williams taxpayers you

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Speaker 1: Is your Facebook feed just melting down over Trump like Miners?

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Speaker 4: And I heard your commentary earlier, Heather about the left

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Speaker 5: I think that the Republicans played the person, not the ball,

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Speaker 4: And not only did they do it too, they did

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Speaker 1: Right, You're back with the Huddle Allie Jones and Jordan

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Speaker 1: William Sorry, Alie, what were you saying?

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Speaker 5: That's right, very quickly, because we could talk about this forever.

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Speaker 4: Scared of I'm scared of him pressing a button.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, I could actually do that. The guy is just so.

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Speaker 1: He was better for world peace and stability than Biden.

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