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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: A'd be friends. Our film reviewer is here with us

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Speaker 2: this morning in person morning. So good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Two films this morning, and I mean House under You.

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Speaker 2: I've seen one of them.

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Speaker 3: Well, I picked it to talk about because I thought

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Speaker 3: you'd find it really interesting. And then maybe your producer

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Speaker 3: when you're not going to believe.

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Speaker 2: This stunning, stunning for the man who only saw the

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Speaker 2: Shortshank Redemption about two years ago. We'll have a listen

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Speaker 2: to that one first. So this is a film currently

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Speaker 2: screening on Netflix. It's called Deeper.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Cave diaring accellent, Dially, don't.

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Speaker 1: This cave in New Zealand, called the Pierce Resurgence.

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Speaker 2: Has the potential to be the deepest dived cave in

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: We had to give it a try.

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Speaker 2: Did you have to give it a try? You have to,

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Speaker 2: Harry Well.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that someone else did because the reason I

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Speaker 3: was interested in this film the same reason why I

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Speaker 3: loved Free Solo, you know Solo, is these are things

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Speaker 3: I would never do. The thought of cave diving just

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Speaker 3: makes me feel claustrophobic and slightly claim me just the

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Speaker 3: thought of it, you know, and I'll never be able

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Speaker 3: to dive a couple of hundred meters into the depths

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Speaker 3: of this planet. So I was really intrigued. I was

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Speaker 3: dying to see this film because I thought it's going

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Speaker 3: to take me somewhere beautiful and stunning, and I thought

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Speaker 3: that it was going to be this sort of esthetically

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Speaker 3: pleasing documentary that you know, that showed us the wonders

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Speaker 3: of the world. And actually it's just a cave, yeah, underwater.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 3: It's not stunning like I thought it was. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of how I expected it to be. But actually this

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Speaker 3: film isn't necessarily just about the pes resurgence and the

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Speaker 3: cave itself, which, by the way, I would walk past

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Speaker 3: the entrance to this cave if you were. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of it's just it's sort of this doesn't look like much,

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Speaker 3: but it is obviously, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, it's just out of the ground. Yeah, isn't this a.

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Speaker 3: Very very deep cave that we have? But actually this

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Speaker 3: documentary is a really interesting look at exploration and the

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Speaker 3: question of risk versus reward and asks the question much

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Speaker 3: like they do with the mountain climbing films and things.

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Speaker 3: Why because it's clearly an incredibly dangerous activity, so it

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Speaker 3: cannot as you were talking about, you couldn't believe it

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Speaker 3: only takes something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're going a couple hundred meters deep, yes,

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Speaker 2: which is crazy.

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Speaker 3: So you're down there, but then it takes you the

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Speaker 3: rest of the day to come up because of course

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Speaker 3: you have to decompress in things. Their gear is immense

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Speaker 3: and complicated. There is a lot of problem solving that

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Speaker 3: has to take place, a lot of preparation, like get

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Speaker 3: helicoptered in for a few weeks, and they plan and

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Speaker 3: they prey for this, for this, for this record breaking

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Speaker 3: dive and things, and we watch them go through the

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Speaker 3: process and the further that the closer they get to

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Speaker 3: doing the dive, the more nervous I got, because it

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Speaker 3: did feel like it was all a little bit up

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Speaker 3: in the air, that's the best way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's generous. Yeah, I think they were not. They're

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Speaker 2: obviously experts, but I was like shocked at how kind

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Speaker 2: of unprepared they were.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have these incredibly bright people who are led

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Speaker 3: by Richard Harris, as you mentioned, and his partner, doctor Craigchell,

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Speaker 3: And they were the two of Cours as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: who were part of the rescuing the boys, the Soccer boys,

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Speaker 3: out of the Tay Caves. They are some of the

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Speaker 3: most experienced cave divers in the world, and yet you know,

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Speaker 3: They also throw into the mix hydrogen yes, which is

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Speaker 3: a very unusual. You know, only very few people use

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Speaker 2: And the reason they don't usually throw it.

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Speaker 3: They don't really throw into the mix because it explodes.

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Speaker 3: So there's lots of conversations about using it, how they're

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Speaker 3: And the whole thing just becomes incredibly nerve wrecking. I

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Speaker 3: found it fascinating from a human point of view.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but it's not like an as you say,

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Speaker 2: You're not like seeing oh the Majesty of the cave. No, No,

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Speaker 2: it's really dark hole. Yeah, it makes.

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Speaker 3: Me want to go there, but i'd love Yes, I'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: Want to dive.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't want to die. No no, no,

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Speaker 2: Look I like doing crazy things, but not like that.

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Speaker 3: It's in the kahrang your national part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just probably. You can't walk towards now you can.

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Speaker 2: You've got to walk up the creek though. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's probably about three or four hours each way, I think,

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Speaker 2: which isn't too bad right out the back of Mortwica. Yeah, yeah, fascinating.

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Speaker 3: But it is on at some cinemas. If you get

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Speaker 3: the cinema, go and see in the cinema. I think

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Speaker 3: it might look more majestic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Kahudani looks majestic. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the cave itself. Yeah, no, it's not not a bit

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Speaker 2: of me. Have you your scuba diver?

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Speaker 3: No, I can snorkel. That's as far as I No,

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Speaker 3: I think i'd panic. I love being on the water,

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Speaker 3: in the water, but going to.

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Speaker 2: Great I think thirty two or thirty three meters is

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Speaker 2: the deepest I've been scuba diving, which was fine, but

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Speaker 2: I remember looking up and being like, oh, yeah's that's

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Speaker 2: or something, yeah, well, this is the thing you can't

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Speaker 2: just look up and see the surface, right, Like, it's

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Speaker 2: very much you're very much enclosed. It's like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like going to two hundred and thirty meters in

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Speaker 2: the space like a you know, large refrigerator or something. Look.

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Speaker 3: I like to be adventurous, but I'm also very aware

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Speaker 3: of my limits. Yeah, I just panics.

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Speaker 2: I think we know pey cool. Yeah, that's not the

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Speaker 2: sort of thing you want to be doing if you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be down there for eighteen how so, that is deeper.

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Speaker 2: That is streaming on Netflix and in some cinemas. Our

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Speaker 2: next film this Morning, is a South Korean black comedy

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Speaker 2: called No Other Choice.

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Speaker 3: This is by Pak Chan, who is well known for

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Speaker 3: creating beautiful, sort of stylized action films like Old Boy

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Speaker 3: and The Handmaiden, and here he takes quite an edgy

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Speaker 3: and cynical look at family dysfunction, identity, fragile masculinity. In

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Speaker 3: the Threat of Our Eyes. Basically, we have this lovely character.

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Speaker 3: He's been working in a paper mill for twenty years.

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Speaker 3: he's very confident he will get another job, and then

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Speaker 3: it becomes apparent that it's actually pretty hard to get

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Speaker 3: and this is what part cham does. He does he

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Speaker 3: does a really good job of kind of keeping keeping

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Speaker 3: a guest and throwing in these little surprises into this film.

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Speaker 3: So he puts a fake ad out, he gets people

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Speaker 3: be for a potential job that he would also go for,

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Speaker 3: and then he sets about killing them. But he's not

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Speaker 3: a murdering kind and it's all a bit of a

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Speaker 3: then he sort of finds his feet and off we go,

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Speaker 3: and throughout the film, everyone he encounters, all everyone he says,

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Speaker 3: Everyone says, look, I have no other choice, the Americans,

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Speaker 3: I have no other choice but to lay people off

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Speaker 3: to make this millwork. And he has no other choice

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Speaker 3: and so it kind of builds. It's so clever. He

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Speaker 3: merges social commentary, drama and comedy and a little bit

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Speaker 3: of violence in there, all together to create a slightly

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Speaker 3: overly long which seems to be the trend of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six. All the film seemed to be slightly too

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Speaker 3: long at the moment, but the ending is absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a cynical look at Ai

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Okay, cool, So that is no other

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Speaker 2: choice that showing in cinemas now. Deeper is Francisca's first

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Speaker 2: pick for us this week. Mars has just flick us

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Speaker 2: to night to say deeper. I could not think of

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Speaker 2: anything more terrifying. I think Mars is probably speaking for

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Speaker 2: us all if you're a cave diver, by all means

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Speaker 2: flickers of text, let us know what the attraction really is.

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Speaker 2: And thank you very much, Francisca. Those films will be

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