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Speaker 5: Hello, aggressively on the front foot again. What's been happening
Speaker 5: in the War of cricket. But below in the twenty
Speaker 5: side that the Zelo game to take sis in Babee
Speaker 5: Conway sees Jamison not needed. Ferguson is looking after his
Speaker 5: bowling loads. Our white Ferns Women's eighty on their most
Speaker 5: important assignment for some time. The West and his batsmen
Speaker 5: are able to cope with the Ossie attack. Arch not
Speaker 5: needed by England. Don't know about Bombra, We'll find that.
Speaker 3: Out in due course.
Speaker 5: The County Championship in the UK enjoying the Indian summer
Speaker 5: and the man who's enjoying it with them as Jeremy Coney,
Speaker 5: and he's been watching cricket play where I think they
Speaker 5: give you a run every.
Speaker 3: Time you take a breath.
Speaker 5: At the Oval, Surrey managed a mere eight hundred and
Speaker 5: twenty for nine, their highest county score.
Speaker 3: I think Jerry Durman reply, three forty three.
Speaker 5: They're pore seventy seven behind. But there's other games as well.
Speaker 5: North Ends six twenty four, Worcestershire struggling in the second
Speaker 5: division sixty seventy nine for seven, Middle six five thirty four,
Speaker 5: and on it goes.
Speaker 3: What is going on?
Speaker 6: I I hope you can hear me from this distance. Look, yes,
Speaker 6: it's it's one of the four rounds.
Speaker 4: That's actually I think round.
Speaker 6: Two that the powers that be over in England have
Speaker 6: decided that they're going to have an experiment where they
Speaker 6: use the kooker barter ball and it's really for bowlers
Speaker 6: to try and develop there and upskill themselves so that
Speaker 6: they have a chance to bowl reverse swing and they
Speaker 6: also have a chance to use spin bowling a lot more.
Speaker 6: Presumably when they go down into the Southern Hemisphere and
Speaker 6: play against Australia, they are obsessed with Australia, of course,
Speaker 6: and unfortunately it has left all the coaches and all
Speaker 6: the players that are actually currently playing behind. They just
Speaker 6: can't stand it and I can understand when I looked
Speaker 6: at this game of eight twenty eight twenty once, I mean,
Speaker 6: at what point do you stop? They did score them
Speaker 6: at a decent clip over five runs and over. That's
Speaker 6: quite that's not a bad effort. Over one hundred and
Speaker 6: sixty overs. Sibbys our mate Dom Sibbys sibly remember him
Speaker 6: three hundred and five and he actually between one hundred
Speaker 6: and one hundred and fifty got there and forty balls
Speaker 6: so he could show. And he opens for T twenty
Speaker 6: for Surrey so he can play some shots, but prefers
Speaker 6: not to.
Speaker 4: And then Sam Curran came up and batted four. He
Speaker 4: got one hundred.
Speaker 6: He batted nicely, actually, then Lawrence came out and batted
Speaker 6: even better, one hundred and seventy of about one hundred
Speaker 6: and forty balls, and then Will Jacks.
Speaker 4: Finished it off with another hundred.
Speaker 3: So they're all doing it.
Speaker 6: I mean, heaven's above eight twenty. He had to get
Speaker 6: six hundred and seventy one to avoid the follow on.
Speaker 4: So at a four day game, oh, unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Anyway, we're up to day four now and we'll just
Speaker 6: see what happens.
Speaker 4: What's the other thing about it is of course.
Speaker 6: The pitchers are not doing what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 6: In cricket, there's a thing called entropy, where you slowly
Speaker 6: things deteriorate and die, and that's exactly what a cricket
Speaker 6: pitch should really ideally do. They shouldn't keep getting better
Speaker 6: and better and better. But they are in England at
Speaker 6: the moment now, whether that's the summer that or whether
Speaker 6: it's the fact that the heavy.
Speaker 4: Rollers are being used a lot more, whether it's.
Speaker 6: The fact that they make their grounds over here so
Speaker 6: rain averse. So soon as it drops bang down, it
Speaker 6: goes and it drains away very quickly, so everything is
Speaker 6: doing that and so the result of it all anyway,
Speaker 6: I can only tell you as that they're roads. And
Speaker 6: that's why Stokes doesn't even think about when he wins
Speaker 6: the toss. He doesn't think about batting. He just goes
Speaker 6: straight to bowling and trying to get on with it
Speaker 6: and then bat last. He wants to bat second and
Speaker 6: fourth worked for them and headingly, So a change in
Speaker 6: the game as far as that's concerned over here.
Speaker 3: Not exciting stuff.
Speaker 5: But I know in the periods that you're not doing commentary,
Speaker 5: you're probably doing what crochet, but a knitting or needle
Speaker 5: work in mind or something.
Speaker 3: Well, keep you excited.
Speaker 6: Well, all the guys that I'm commentating with actually are
Speaker 6: all from Surrey, So as soon as they were getting
Speaker 6: close to eight hundred, they knew the target was eight
Speaker 6: hundred and thirteen or something or other, and a wicket
Speaker 6: fell just on the stroke of tea and I turned
Speaker 6: round to see all these men, grown, mature men weeping,
Speaker 6: weeping heavily because they thought they were going to declare
Speaker 6: at that point and not take the extra ten runs. Well,
Speaker 6: of course they came out after and got a few more,
Speaker 6: and then there's smiles lit up.
Speaker 4: Of course, ridiculous.
Speaker 6: We don't play for bloody you know, things like rep hoards,
Speaker 6: but they do.
Speaker 4: They think that's important. That's that's where the game is
Speaker 4: here at the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, some of the these elders have been playing over
Speaker 5: there aren't playing in the most recent round. I think
Speaker 5: Tom Latham is still there, Tim Robinson, Matt Henry is
Speaker 5: playing for his county, and there may be others I
Speaker 5: don't know, but the rest of them are off to
Speaker 5: Zimbabwe for a try series named by the new coach
Speaker 5: this week, Rob Walter but sent the Leeds aside. That
Speaker 5: has pretty much picked itself. I'd imagine Bevan Jacobs is
Speaker 5: the only new man. He's seen as a player of
Speaker 5: the future in this form of the game, although he
Speaker 5: wants to play longer form. Good on him, but Bevin, sorry,
Speaker 5: Devon Conway hasn't hasn't made it. Lackey Ferguson looking after
Speaker 5: his bowling loads. Ben Sears is injured, while Jamieson is
Speaker 5: staying at home for the birth of his first child.
Speaker 5: But they probably would have been chosen had they been available.
Speaker 6: Those players, Yeah, well, I suppose the one that you
Speaker 6: mentioned there is Devin Conway.
Speaker 4: I'm such a good player.
Speaker 6: Hasn't quite got the results to match that blockbuster start
Speaker 6: he made, has he? When he went into the side initially?
Speaker 6: Pretty hard to keep that up. You hope he still
Speaker 6: harbors the drive to play odeis and tests.
Speaker 4: They may be his strength, but he's.
Speaker 6: Probably got other twenty twenty short format options, hasn't he.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's why he didn't take a contract and
Speaker 6: why he's going to make a little bit of cash
Speaker 6: while he can. It does seem to be a time
Speaker 6: of change.
Speaker 4: Wadds. When I looked at.
Speaker 6: The I had a quick flick at the T twenty
Speaker 6: World Cup, you know, twenty four at the in the
Speaker 6: West Indies. You know that that side. I mean you
Speaker 6: had Williamson on that side too. I'm not sure whether
Speaker 6: they'll they'll look to have Williamson and they're either Chapman
Speaker 6: has come into the play, hasn't he? When you look
Speaker 6: at that all the development that's going on currently in
Speaker 6: New Zealand and when Pakistan were out in New Zealand recently,
Speaker 6: a lot of new names we saw there and Seipher
Speaker 6: had played very well and powerfully with Finellen, didn't he
Speaker 6: at the start at the top of the innings. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and Chapman was number three.
Speaker 5: I suppose the only other one that you could be
Speaker 5: questioning is is Sody with Eddie Ashock making an impression
Speaker 5: and the AID tour.
Speaker 3: But you know a new.
Speaker 5: Lease of life under the new coat for East Sody,
Speaker 5: so he's getting another chance in Zimbabwe.
Speaker 3: It is only T twenty.
Speaker 5: We don't want to get too carried away with it
Speaker 5: would be interesting to see how they prepare and how
Speaker 5: they developed, and they're going to be playing South Africa.
Speaker 5: What side South Africa will take there? I'm not too sure,
Speaker 5: but you know they may well use some of their
Speaker 5: specialist short form players. Interesting stuff coming across the African continent.
Speaker 5: What didn't cost the West Indies the Test match they
Speaker 5: played against Australia. They had cause to question some of
Speaker 5: the decisions made by TV Empire Abian Holdstock during the match.
Speaker 5: Darren Sammy said after the play, and he probably got
Speaker 5: himself a slap over the knuckles for it, he was
Speaker 5: unhappy with some of the decisions given by the South
Speaker 5: African Empire using the technology. He said that the West
Speaker 5: Indies concerns started on the white ball tour of.
Speaker 3: England last month.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know what happened there, but I saw
Speaker 5: some of those dismissals and I got to say they
Speaker 5: did have reason, particularly one where and you've seen I
Speaker 5: think you've seen the incident, Jerry, and you might have
Speaker 5: also seen the photo so Alex Carey apparently taking a catch.
Speaker 5: It was given out, but it's touching the ground and
Speaker 5: I'm sorry to my mind that technology to me confirms
Speaker 5: it's not out and should not have been given out
Speaker 5: as it was by Umpire Holdstock.
Speaker 4: The third umpire change the rule.
Speaker 6: Didn't they remember to start taking a catch down at
Speaker 6: fine leg and sliding along the ground, and even though
Speaker 6: really he took the catch, but it was a mistake
Speaker 6: as a player makes. And as long as you've got
Speaker 6: the ball on the ground even though you're holding it,
Speaker 6: they say that the ground is assisting you to take
Speaker 6: the catch.
Speaker 4: And that's what it seemed to me.
Speaker 6: I didn't see a lot of that match, was just
Speaker 6: bits and pieces, and I did see that moment, and
Speaker 6: I thought that that was not out. According to the
Speaker 6: latest rule that they've made, you can't have the ball
Speaker 6: resting on the ground.
Speaker 4: To hold the cat. It's not allowed any longer.
Speaker 6: And the other one I saw, I think was Cameron
Speaker 6: Green was an LBW. Yeah, So it looked to me
Speaker 6: as if it had brushed the front pad. To be
Speaker 6: really honest, if you look at the registration of the
Speaker 6: you know that you have when the book all goes
Speaker 6: past the pad or the bat or anything like that,
Speaker 6: as long as nothing else is scuffing the ground. It
Speaker 6: looked to me as if it were hit the pad
Speaker 6: before it went further back, and bats and pads and
Speaker 6: all sorts of things were involved, weren't they, But it
Speaker 6: had already hit the pad in the front, I had thought,
Speaker 6: but we all have you know, we all have views
Speaker 6: on this, and it's a shame, a shame that, you know,
Speaker 6: you get to these situations that they feel that it.
Speaker 4: I don't think it cost them the game on a
Speaker 4: larger on.
Speaker 6: A larger larger point though, Wads I thought, while the
Speaker 6: ball nipped around a bit in that game, didn't it?
Speaker 4: And Haazel would showed us that later on.
Speaker 6: You know, Jaden seals Shama Joseph, and then you know
Speaker 6: they had Alzari Joseph and then the guy justin Greeves
Speaker 6: as well. They look to be quite a useful and
Speaker 6: developing medium fast attack. And now they're coming out for
Speaker 6: three tests in New Zealand. If they can keep those
Speaker 6: three four bowlers together. There was Roston Chase as well.
Speaker 6: He was there, wasn't he as a bowler and they
Speaker 6: had a couple of bats and Shy Hope was there.
Speaker 4: It wasn't he in a guy called cart He looked
Speaker 4: okay for.
Speaker 6: A while, and again Chase, they they've got you know,
Speaker 6: at the moment they could be not the pushover that
Speaker 6: perhaps they might be.
Speaker 4: It might have been in the past.
Speaker 6: I thought their seam bowling attack looked, Okay, I don't
Speaker 6: what did what did you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think that they're going to be very dangerous in
Speaker 5: our conditions because they've got good pace, they've got the
Speaker 5: kind of accuracy you want.
Speaker 3: There's venom in that attack.
Speaker 5: Alzari Joseph seems to hate everything that carries a bat
Speaker 5: and he shows it out on the park and really
Speaker 5: litterp So that's going to be interesting when they get
Speaker 5: out here later in the year. And we will watch
Speaker 5: this series a little more closely.
Speaker 4: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot, on the.
Speaker 5: Front foot, the white ferns. A side is midway through
Speaker 5: an important development tour of England. Three ODI's and three
Speaker 5: T twenties. The ODI series has been completed two narrow
Speaker 5: deve feats and well, I suppose a heavy loss in
Speaker 5: Game three by six wickets, But I wonder whether the
Speaker 5: significance of this tour may be more than just straights results.
Speaker 5: A chance to find out from one of the coaches,
Speaker 5: Craig McMillan, who joins OTFF again. And it's in Chilsford,
Speaker 5: the home of Essex Aunt Equicket Club, and they're preparing
Speaker 5: for the first T twenties Mecca, thanks for joining us
Speaker 5: once again. Two close ones and then a bit of
Speaker 5: a blip on the radar of the third game you
Speaker 5: changed venues.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yesterday was disappointing. We didn't get things right with
Speaker 7: the bat. We lost too many wickets and clumps and
Speaker 7: put ourselves under presser after two really competitive, close, close
Speaker 7: matches in the first two games where we lost both
Speaker 7: six runs and two runs, and those sorts of games
Speaker 7: then go either way, so the girls are really disappointed
Speaker 7: that they didn't get over the line in those first
Speaker 7: two matches. But there's some great learnings from this side.
Speaker 7: A number away on tour for the first time. You know,
Speaker 7: the average age of the group's twenty three, The oldest
Speaker 7: is twenty nine, the youngest is nineteen, so there's going
Speaker 7: to be some great experiences for them on and off
Speaker 7: the field throughout this tour and the standard of cricket
Speaker 7: a cricket is so important the women's game, so it's
Speaker 7: going to be a good too. We've got three t
Speaker 7: twenties left, a couple and chanted over the next three
Speaker 7: or four days, which we're really looking forward to.
Speaker 5: Yes, and these ladies are going to be part of
Speaker 5: our international scene pretty soon, aren't they. There's some already
Speaker 5: there and some who are pushing the door open.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, And that's the thing. There's a number of them.
Speaker 7: I think there's nine or ten that have actually played
Speaker 7: for the White Fans, but a number of them have
Speaker 7: only played two or three games, so just in the
Speaker 7: infancy really of their international careers. So an a two
Speaker 7: like this is so important. It's a high standard of cricket. England,
Speaker 7: as you know, are always strong, they have great depth
Speaker 7: and their teams over here. There's a number of players,
Speaker 7: like I mentioned, on their first tours, so this is
Speaker 7: a step up from domestic level in New Zealand. So
Speaker 7: it's a good experience for them to see the level
Speaker 7: and the skill set that they need to get to
Speaker 7: if they want to play international cricket. And we've been
Speaker 7: very lucky so farwards we've been in England, haven't had
Speaker 7: a day of rain. The weather has been great, so
Speaker 7: it's just been perfect for cricket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the great process.
Speaker 5: In terms of what any side wants I mentioned at
Speaker 5: the start, you know, winning against development. I know every
Speaker 5: side wants to win, but you have to change your
Speaker 5: side too, don't you. So that everybody gets a fair
Speaker 5: crack of the whip.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you do.
Speaker 7: Winning is important obviously every game you play. That's in
Speaker 7: the back of your mind, isn't it. But there is
Speaker 7: a bigger picture with this group, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 7: As I mentioned, the average age is twenty three, so
Speaker 7: some of them are still very fresh, still learning their games,
Speaker 7: and that's a great thing about the squad. They're keen
Speaker 7: to learn, they want to get better, they want to
Speaker 7: be coached and that's exciting. So yeah, there is a
Speaker 7: degree of development. But this a program is so important.
Speaker 7: I know, it's something that is on cricket if committed
Speaker 7: to within the women's game. Because the one thing you
Speaker 7: notice when you come to England, and I think you've
Speaker 7: been on a number of tours at different times over
Speaker 7: the years, it's just how much cricket has played in
Speaker 7: England and it's quite remarkable how much women's cricket has
Speaker 7: played now over here and you can see how the
Speaker 7: growth of the game, how upskilled and good the players
Speaker 7: get just through the amount of cricket they play, and
Speaker 7: it's something that we have to keep pushing really hard
Speaker 7: on domestically in New Zealand.
Speaker 8: I think it would help to play more cricket for
Speaker 8: these girls.
Speaker 7: They train a lot, but perhaps we don't get the
Speaker 7: experience that we need with game time. So tours like this,
Speaker 7: where you've got different conditions, you're touring for a month,
Speaker 7: are just so invaluable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the challenge for all of our game,
Speaker 5: isn't it as such? But these young ladies are just
Speaker 5: starting to take the major steps. What is your role
Speaker 5: as a coach as such? Is it coaching technique and
Speaker 5: the skills of the game, or is it working on
Speaker 5: the mental approach and how they go about getting into
Speaker 5: positions because I think in Game two they probably got
Speaker 5: into a winning position and died with a couple of
Speaker 5: runs to go. And we've been lucky to see some
Speaker 5: of it here in New Zealand two on the English
Speaker 5: Cricket Board website, so it's been nice to be able
Speaker 5: to watch some of that cricket. What's the coach's role.
Speaker 8: All of those things you mentioned?
Speaker 7: To be honest, Look, it's when you're on tour you're
Speaker 7: talking talking the technical side, watch to me is so
Speaker 7: important and quite often forgotten. Quite often as players you're
Speaker 7: always thinking about the technical side.
Speaker 8: What are my hands doing, are my feet moving? All
Speaker 8: those sorts of things.
Speaker 7: Quite often, when you're thinking technical, you're forgetting about the
Speaker 7: basics of watching the ball, finding gaps, running hard, doing
Speaker 7: the basics well, So there's a real technical side, and
Speaker 7: some of the situations that the girls have found themselves
Speaker 7: in over there, especially those first two matches where we
Speaker 7: felt we should have won both matches, are going to
Speaker 7: be invaluable. They will be in those positions again, so
Speaker 7: they all have.
Speaker 8: Experience to.
Speaker 7: Go back onto where last time I did this it
Speaker 7: didn't work right. I'm going to try something different to
Speaker 7: see if that will get us over the line that
Speaker 7: will be successful. So you can't replicate that at training
Speaker 7: was you really can't those pressure situations where you're chasing
Speaker 7: down A total of two hundred and eighty plus watches
Speaker 7: a high total in the women's game. But as you
Speaker 7: can see with some of the scores around the world,
Speaker 7: the girls are getting better and better powers be coming
Speaker 7: into the game now the women's game, so higher scores
Speaker 7: are becoming more prevalent. So the ability to deal with
Speaker 7: pressure in those situations is one of the real keys
Speaker 7: and one of the real learnings that these girls will
Speaker 7: get from this tour.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I guess from the England day point of view,
Speaker 5: they too have something special to play for because their
Speaker 5: top side is struggling. They were given a thrashing by
Speaker 5: India recently, so you know there could be places for
Speaker 5: them and they want to be playing for that that
Speaker 5: they seem to be a pretty useful side.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, the top side got beat them by
Speaker 7: India the other other day at Nottingham. They've got a
Speaker 7: new coach on board, so they've had some change.
Speaker 8: England.
Speaker 7: I mean they've always been in the top three sides
Speaker 7: in the world, which is no surprise with the resource
Speaker 7: and the playing numbers and the game time that they get,
Speaker 7: so they are always a challenge. Their A side is
Speaker 7: very strong, a number of players have played for England,
Speaker 7: so they're pushing for positions in that top side. So
Speaker 7: there's a lot to play for for them as well.
Speaker 7: And that's what you want, a competitive series that's going
Speaker 7: to test you in different situations. And for some of
Speaker 7: our girls, it's a new experience this standard and it's
Speaker 7: finding your feet and that's not always easy. But you
Speaker 7: know what I like about this New Zealand side, WADS
Speaker 7: is that a lot of the girls are adapting very quick,
Speaker 7: and that's really important. There's no doubt the talent's there,
Speaker 7: because a number of these girls are going to play
Speaker 7: a lot of cricket for the White Ferns and years
Speaker 7: to come, and this tour is just going to be
Speaker 7: one of those stepping stones for a lot of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I know it's hard for coaches to talk about individuals,
Speaker 5: but I've been watching some of them play and I'm
Speaker 5: quite excited by the development of them. The one who
Speaker 5: really excites me the most out of that squad is
Speaker 5: your left arm Seemer pree Illing someone who bowls left
Speaker 5: arm and swings the ball and you know she may
Speaker 5: be giving away a few runs here and there, but
Speaker 5: the development that I've noticed from the home summer to
Speaker 5: now in her play is quite amazing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good point, and she's been excellent for us,
Speaker 7: and it's a good example. I think of finding a
Speaker 7: player with the talent and the skill set you think
Speaker 7: can be successful at the next level and then exposing
Speaker 7: here to that level. And she has gone forward and
Speaker 7: leaps and bounds. Is no doubt about that. Despite what
Speaker 7: you see in this series where there's a number of
Speaker 7: left hand batters and left arm bowlers from England. Generally,
Speaker 7: left handers and left armors are quite a rarity in
Speaker 7: the women's game. I know it, certainly, Dylan.
Speaker 8: They are. So Bree is a real standout.
Speaker 7: She's got that X fact and when you've got a
Speaker 7: left armor who can swing the ball make life difficult
Speaker 7: for right handers. Yeah, she's a real weapon and something
Speaker 7: someone that we've seen for a week while. But her
Speaker 7: transformation and the way she's gone over the last twelve
Speaker 7: months has been awesome.
Speaker 5: You made the point that I was going to ask
Speaker 5: about the number of left handers because I don't know
Speaker 5: the women's game internationally to that extent, but you know
Speaker 5: there aren't a lot of left arm bowlers in particular
Speaker 5: who are at the top level.
Speaker 8: No, there's not.
Speaker 7: I mean in New Zealand we've got roughly two betters.
Speaker 7: Flora Devonshire Brooke Halladay are really the only two left
Speaker 7: handers that we have played to Mistic cricket in terms
Speaker 7: of left arm armors are even more of a rarity.
Speaker 7: So it makes Brie a standout, it really does, and
Speaker 7: gives her that X factor. It's been surprised over here
Speaker 7: to see how many there are in England a side
Speaker 7: because it's most unusual, but I guess it's something that, yeah,
Speaker 7: you just have to work with and I guess get
Speaker 7: used to because it's a little bit different. But having
Speaker 7: that left armor swing the ball at the type and
Speaker 7: we saw yesterday in that third ady I gore Bob
Speaker 7: beautifully for England, didn't she. She swung the ball and
Speaker 7: made life difficult for our top order. So anyone that
Speaker 7: can swing the ball at the top, especially left armor,
Speaker 7: is a week diamond.
Speaker 5: Are we starting to see the real talent of as
Speaker 5: he Gaze with the bat? She played an outstanding innings
Speaker 5: in I think the first game, and she's a very
Speaker 5: aggressive and I think a talented who's prepared to go
Speaker 5: just a little bit wider than the.
Speaker 7: Traditional Yes, she is, and remembering what she's only twenty
Speaker 7: one years old. She seems like she's been in that
Speaker 7: white fournd side for quite a while, but she is
Speaker 7: still developing her game.
Speaker 8: She played beautifully in that first match where she has.
Speaker 7: The ability to hit the ball hard, fine gaps and
Speaker 7: actually put bowlers under pressure. Unfortunately, she's had a little
Speaker 7: bit of a niggle, hasn't played the last couple of games,
Speaker 7: but now will be fit for the T twenty series,
Speaker 7: so she will come back into her side and she'll
Speaker 7: be an important member of that. But her development again
Speaker 7: has been it's taken some time. And that's the thing
Speaker 7: was that things don't happen necessarily really quickly. You need
Speaker 7: to put time and effort and resource into these girls.
Speaker 7: And as he Gays is probably an example that she
Speaker 7: has been around the scene for two or three years,
Speaker 7: and I think over the next two or three years
Speaker 7: is when we're going to see how good a player
Speaker 7: she is. And again she's going to score a lot
Speaker 7: of runs to New Zealand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you talk about the time and the development, though
Speaker 5: it has to be done earlier too, doesn't it in
Speaker 5: terms of the level of cricket that these women are
Speaker 5: playing club level, college level right the way through the development,
Speaker 5: we shouldn't be saving it to the A grade when
Speaker 5: you know this time next year just about all of
Speaker 5: them could be in the white fans.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good point and it's one of those
Speaker 7: challenges I think for the women's game, just because of
Speaker 7: numbers of teens that are played, there's just not the
Speaker 7: amount of cricket from an early age that perhaps the
Speaker 7: boys have in terms of that volume of cricket, So
Speaker 7: it does take a little bit longer in terms of
Speaker 7: that development. And that's when his cricket are doing some
Speaker 7: very good stuff in terms of winter coaching groups, getting time,
Speaker 7: getting specialist coaching into these talented girls, taking them away
Speaker 7: on tours like this so that we can try and
Speaker 7: speed up that learning process and that skill set process
Speaker 7: so that once they hit the domestic scene, once they
Speaker 7: hit the white fans and the international scene, that they
Speaker 7: are ready to go.
Speaker 5: One of those players who should be benefiting and I
Speaker 5: suppose there's a touch of parochialism here from my point
Speaker 5: of view, Georgia Plummer.
Speaker 3: We heard a lot.
Speaker 5: About her and she didn't deliver early on, although the
Speaker 5: talent was there. Now we're starting to see changes in
Speaker 5: her game and the innings are starting to bear fruit
Speaker 5: for her.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they are. It's been a big twelve months for Georgia.
Speaker 7: I remember, and she played against Australia and Brisbane actually
Speaker 7: on the way to the T twenty World Cup where
Speaker 7: and you know what it's like was sometimes as a player,
Speaker 7: you need that one innings against the good opposition to
Speaker 7: have that belief that I belong at this level. And
Speaker 7: she scored fifty in that match, and I felt that
Speaker 7: was quite an important innings for her, just in terms
Speaker 7: of that self belief that she was good enough to
Speaker 7: play at that level. And she's really gone from strength
Speaker 7: to strength. Played beautifully during that T twenty World Cup.
Speaker 7: She hits the ball hard, she gets some good positions.
Speaker 7: She hits the ball nice and straight too. What do
Speaker 7: you always like as a coach when someone's hitting the
Speaker 7: ball straight and down the ground and hitting the side screen.
Speaker 7: And again for her, she's played sixty odd matches for
Speaker 7: the White Fern squads, but again she's still very raw
Speaker 7: in terms of.
Speaker 8: Understanding her game.
Speaker 7: That development has taken a while, but now we're seeing
Speaker 7: I think, the benefits of her and she's scored a
Speaker 7: very good hundred in that second match. She was disappointed
Speaker 7: to get out at the stage that she did because
Speaker 7: she was playing so well right throughout that innings and
Speaker 7: that was one of the learnings that we took in
Speaker 7: terms of Georgia getting to one hundred, and then we
Speaker 7: talked about it's time to reset and quite often players
Speaker 7: get out just after they score one hundred and milestone
Speaker 7: and the ability to reset is so important. So there's
Speaker 7: a lot of things that have been learned, not only
Speaker 7: on the field but off the field, which, as I mentioned,
Speaker 7: makes this to so valuable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Right, so you move to two twenties. Now, how does
Speaker 5: that change for the coaches? A change of mental approach? Again,
Speaker 5: the skills of the same, aren't they, although sometimes you
Speaker 5: have to do or they try to do something a
Speaker 5: little bit different, the reverse sweeps and the scoops and
Speaker 5: everything else that comes in the old Craig ncmullon shot.
Speaker 7: I never used to play those words. What are you
Speaker 7: talking about? Yes, there's a little bit more freedom, which
Speaker 7: T twenty is great. It allows batters to play with
Speaker 7: that freedom, to be expressive, to not fear hitting the
Speaker 7: ball in the air. From a bowling point of view,
Speaker 7: you've got to be very precise with your fields and
Speaker 7: what sort of delivery you're trying to bowl. So I
Speaker 7: really look forward to the T twenty series. I think that,
Speaker 7: you know, the fundamentals are still important. Words, You still
Speaker 7: need partnerships. Once a player gets in, they still have
Speaker 7: to bat on, but they just have to do it
Speaker 7: in shorter periods. It's only a twenty over game, so
Speaker 7: everything's just a little bit shorter, but the fundamentals are
Speaker 7: still the same. If there's a good ball, you still
Speaker 7: have to respect it, but you're trying to put some
Speaker 7: pressure back on the bowling side, so it'll be a
Speaker 7: competitive series. England are very strong, as I've mentioned, but
Speaker 7: I'm really looking forward to to this T twenty series
Speaker 7: starting on Thursday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exciting year for the women do, isn't it because
Speaker 5: there's a World Cup coming up and there's plenty of crickets.
Speaker 5: The emphasis is very much on the international game for
Speaker 5: the women now, so it's pretty exciting stuff and you'll
Speaker 5: be involved of course as batting coach with the White Fance.
Speaker 8: Yeah, looking forward to it. You're right, it's a bit
Speaker 8: busy twelve months.
Speaker 7: We head to India for a fifty over World Cup
Speaker 7: in late September October. Watch everyone's looking forward to it.
Speaker 7: Will be challenging and yeah, but it's just one of
Speaker 7: those years where I think the home summer we've got
Speaker 7: Zimbabwe who we haven't played, so there'll be a new
Speaker 7: opponent that we haven't seen a lot of in South
Speaker 7: Africa coming out.
Speaker 8: So it's a busy schedule again.
Speaker 7: But yeah, those World Cups seem to roll around a
Speaker 7: lot quicker than what they did in my day was
Speaker 7: that every sort of second year there seems to be
Speaker 7: a World Cup, whether it's T twenty or od I
Speaker 7: where some years gone by it was every four years.
Speaker 7: But I looked, I look at the schedule, and we
Speaker 7: won the World Cup T twenty World Cup last year
Speaker 7: and we're defending it next year in England twenty twenty six.
Speaker 8: So they do roll around rather quickly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I suppose that's the top level of the
Speaker 5: game that both the men and the woman will enjoy.
Speaker 5: And it'll be nice to have the home summer with
Speaker 5: somebody other than England or Australia to play against as well,
Speaker 5: because they've been regular visitors here. Not that there's anything
Speaker 5: wrong with that, but it's nice to see the South
Speaker 5: Africans and and Zimbabwe playing on our shores because it's
Speaker 5: going to be a long white ball summer, particularly after
Speaker 5: Christmas for both the men's and the women's teams.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's definitely a lack of red bull cricket, which
Speaker 7: I know the New Zealand fans will be a little
Speaker 7: bit disappointed by, but also having South Africa and on
Speaker 7: our shows, White Bull cricket. It will be entertaining. There
Speaker 7: are two very good sides. I'm looking forward to the
Speaker 7: summer ahead and I think New Zealand and the men's
Speaker 7: side have a Tea twenty World Cup in the middle
Speaker 7: of it, don't they so, and we've got I think
Speaker 7: England at the start of the summer, Australia at the
Speaker 7: start of the summer in terms of the men and
Speaker 7: the women will be playing Super Smash as well.
Speaker 8: So a lot of exciting cricket to come up. Again.
Speaker 7: It's a tough schedule that you know, with these World
Speaker 7: Cups that seem to all champions trophy Land in the
Speaker 7: middle of our summer, which makes it difficult for New
Speaker 7: Zealand cricket in the prime time slot of the summer.
Speaker 7: But again we'll have some good sides on our shores
Speaker 7: what you always look forward to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, nice to hear from Macca and I got a
Speaker 5: feeling Jerry that he's going to be an important part
Speaker 5: in the re emergence of this New Zealand women's team.
Speaker 5: I think his coaching ideas, his coaching style is one
Speaker 5: of getting.
Speaker 3: Back to the basics.
Speaker 5: Talking about the t twenties they're going to play well,
Speaker 5: They're going to be a little bit more innovative, but
Speaker 5: solving problems and being able to get the best out
Speaker 5: of themselves by playing than getting out is starting to
Speaker 5: show some good results. And many of these a ladies
Speaker 5: are going to be the White Fans of the future,
Speaker 5: aren't they.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm totally behind.
Speaker 6: What New Zealand Cricket are doing in developing we've got.
Speaker 6: We're putting a lot of work, aren't we. With a
Speaker 6: a teams for the men and now a teams for
Speaker 6: the women. That's fantastic as far as I'm concerned. They
Speaker 6: will all be better for it, and I do feel
Speaker 6: that a player like Craig McMillan has a very important
Speaker 6: role to play in the development of some of those
Speaker 6: younger players. They are going to come through and they're
Speaker 6: going to be better for it. Yes, they're going to
Speaker 6: experience some some difficulties for a while and some losses
Speaker 6: for a while. We've got to take a slightly longer view.
Speaker 6: I think about that he's very aware that we can't
Speaker 6: keep losing forever and that we've got to still have
Speaker 6: victories along the way to sort of sign post that
Speaker 6: we are going in the correct direction.
Speaker 4: So I'm all behind that.
Speaker 6: I don't know whether you feel it's a waste of money,
Speaker 6: important money from New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 4: I don't think it is. No.
Speaker 5: I think they waste their money in other places, which
Speaker 5: offends me to some extent. But I think when you're
Speaker 5: starting to develop your players, and remember the women's game
Speaker 5: doesn't develop through the grades the way the men do.
Speaker 5: You know, they need to be able to develop it
Speaker 5: at college level, domestic lower level, so that these players
Speaker 5: have a grounding for when they go into the White
Speaker 5: fans or go on the A tours. And you know,
Speaker 5: we're seeing, as we mentioned in that inde with Macca
Speaker 5: plimmer and gaze and Bree illing for sleift arms. I
Speaker 5: love left armers in the bowling attack and I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, she could be a real star of the
Speaker 5: women's game.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot Jerry.
Speaker 5: Just before we go on to a quick look at
Speaker 5: what New Zealand might pick for their test team, I
Speaker 5: was reading one of the English websites at one of
Speaker 5: their contributors wrote about the Australian West Indies game. He said,
Speaker 5: watching the West Indies versus of the convicts over tea
Speaker 5: What is the point of var He's obviously been watching
Speaker 5: a bit too much. It's d RS batsman out w
Speaker 5: W despite clearly enging the ball out of the bat,
Speaker 5: carry caught a magnificent catch behind the stumps. However, on
Speaker 5: the replay was in his glove and on the ground.
Speaker 5: Despite looking many times, it went in favor of the Aussies.
Speaker 5: I hope we don't get South afric englumpires in the winter. Yeah,
Speaker 5: well that may be something that they can have a
Speaker 5: look at. We may get them for our next Test
Speaker 5: matches back here at home against the West Indies, but
Speaker 5: before that we've got two Tests in Zimbabwe. Tim Saldi
Speaker 5: won't be there from the last Test team. Devin Conway
Speaker 5: maybe here because he's recovered from injury, but I can't
Speaker 5: see too many new players coming to the forefronts. Who's
Speaker 5: going to replace Southe And you know you don't just
Speaker 5: give people Test caps, do you. They've got to have
Speaker 5: been there and earned their cap and it won't be
Speaker 5: being ceous because he's recovering from injury. I guess Duffy
Speaker 5: Jamison are the most likely contenders for the new Ball
Speaker 5: in that role.
Speaker 6: I can't see too many changes wads either.
Speaker 4: You know, you got a new coach.
Speaker 6: I don't think he will want to take a broom
Speaker 6: and just sweep everything that New Zealand has done before.
Speaker 6: He will want to, I think, see how things go.
Speaker 6: So I don't know what who What was our last test?
Speaker 6: Was it England Test three at Hamilton? Yeah? Well that
Speaker 6: was Young, Lathan Williamson, Ravendra Mitchell. And I can't see
Speaker 6: any of that top order batting changing too much unless
Speaker 6: Conway does come back.
Speaker 3: In Conway, he's done the business. He was injured.
Speaker 5: And you know it's tough on will Young I know,
Speaker 5: I know that. But he's got to be in the squad.
Speaker 5: He's got to be that extra batter in the squad, doesn't.
Speaker 6: He Well, that's right, And and then it's it's a
Speaker 6: question of a little bit of mounting pressure I think
Speaker 6: on Tom Blundell, but you know he hasn't quite got
Speaker 6: the runs he might have liked. And it's just a
Speaker 6: question of how they how they viewing the long term.
Speaker 4: I mean, here what he'll want runs.
Speaker 6: It's as simple as that really, And then it's a
Speaker 6: case of does Santana play I guess you've got braceful
Speaker 6: in the wings there as a one who turns the
Speaker 6: ball a little more than some of the others.
Speaker 4: Ye sat in a different.
Speaker 6: Type of bowler, more of a flight bowler in the
Speaker 6: air before it pictures. Phillip's more of a one day
Speaker 6: bowler angling it into legs, stump a bit.
Speaker 4: More and more flat.
Speaker 6: But Henry obviously, O'Rourke obviously, and then as you say,
Speaker 6: Jamison stands out and Yeah and Duffy are the only
Speaker 6: the only two around really aren't they. I mean, Folks
Speaker 6: has come into the T twenty, but he's more of
Speaker 6: and he's gone into the A side as well to
Speaker 6: to Bangladesh. He's made that that T twenty side to go,
Speaker 6: so they're obviously having a look at that. They like
Speaker 6: his variations, so I can't see too many changes wadds
Speaker 6: for that for that series.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think.
Speaker 5: So we'll know that next week they're in camp apparently
Speaker 5: at Mount Monganui, so they're going to be indoors too,
Speaker 5: because like your territory, Jerry, the weather is at its
Speaker 5: lowest and wettest at the moment, so at your place, so.
Speaker 6: Do I I wasn't there haven't. I wasn't washed away.
Speaker 6: I could, I could get the car. I didn't even
Speaker 6: have a car there I was. I wasn't even blocked
Speaker 6: off in any way at all. So it was fine
Speaker 6: really for me, clearing the roads very well.
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, by the time you get back to to
Speaker 5: get well, we'll hope that'll be the case. Never mind,
Speaker 5: we've been able to track you down. You can actually
Speaker 5: enjoy your Indian summer watching India play England in the
Speaker 5: second Test match and that's going to be pretty fascinating.
Speaker 3: We'll report on.
Speaker 5: That next week and the outcome. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 5: Go back to the Oval, and I hope you enjoy
Speaker 5: the remaining What how many overs do you get?
Speaker 3: One hundred overs a day those games?
Speaker 6: Ninety six, but it might be more on the last day,
Speaker 6: mightn't it. Who knows?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well so yeah, no, look at it.
Speaker 6: It's kind of the coaches are also just sending a
Speaker 6: message to people like Rob p who've tried this experiment
Speaker 6: with the kookobarraball. It hasn't worked in England, and it's
Speaker 6: kind of they've got four games out of fourteen. It's
Speaker 6: and I think the feeling generally from over here is
Speaker 6: that they might be ruining the actual tournament and the
Speaker 6: championship that they're playing. So they're a bit cheesed off
Speaker 6: actually with the way that you know it's ostensibly it's
Speaker 6: meant to improve bowlers for the England side. Well, of
Speaker 6: course none of the England bowlers are here in the
Speaker 6: championship anyway, so it's rather ironic that none of the
Speaker 6: England bowlers are using it so.
Speaker 3: And they wouldn't want to anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's a bit weird.
Speaker 5: Well that's the challenge they're going to face for the
Speaker 5: remainder of the series as well.
Speaker 3: Going enjoy it.
Speaker 5: Stay on the front foot, Jerry, and you really hammer
Speaker 5: them over the boundary.
Speaker 6: Rope as I always used to neirdling another little single
Speaker 6: of an inside edge onto my pad.
Speaker 4: Exactly. All right mate, nice to hear from you. You
Speaker 4: look at it well, take care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, summer.
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