WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 251: Decision time for NZ Cricket 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:19.653 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:19.173 --> 0:00:24.933 Yeah, take another prick, it is out. The test is over. 0:00:27.213 --> 0:00:31.533 Don't smoke a beauty, it is out here he goes. 0:00:31.613 --> 0:00:33.973 This delivery has in the user to gool. 0:00:36.293 --> 0:00:39.693 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 0:00:40.013 --> 0:00:43.853 powered by News Talks d B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:47.293 --> 0:00:49.573 This week on the Front Foot, what does the future 0:00:49.653 --> 0:00:52.413 hold for the young cricket facing a tough decision on 0:00:52.573 --> 0:00:56.933 domestic T twenty opinions are divided. He's even to set 0:00:57.013 --> 0:01:00.933 to earn big in the one hundred Our BT moves 0:01:00.973 --> 0:01:03.613 to South Africa b in a T twenty opener. Then 0:01:03.653 --> 0:01:06.293 they write the ship for a couple of wounds. But 0:01:06.493 --> 0:01:10.333 is the integrity of international cricket the diminished? A blanket 0:01:10.333 --> 0:01:12.533 shield down to the wire with a round to go 0:01:13.493 --> 0:01:16.733 and some fond memories of a good mate who passed 0:01:16.773 --> 0:01:21.173 away last week and you'll remember him well, Jeremy Cady 0:01:21.693 --> 0:01:25.373 tg is we knew him. You knew him as Silvery. 0:01:25.373 --> 0:01:28.093 I think he had a couple of nicknames, but Trevor 0:01:28.173 --> 0:01:32.413 McMahon was just a wonderful friend to us all and 0:01:33.333 --> 0:01:36.813 as was mentioned that his funeral service on last week, 0:01:37.653 --> 0:01:40.413 a life well a fun man. 0:01:40.653 --> 0:01:45.453 Absolutely right, Brian good Man. Yes, Silvery to me always 0:01:45.453 --> 0:01:49.213 looked forward to playing against him as a club. At 0:01:49.253 --> 0:01:52.653 a club level, you had a little glimpse, you know, 0:01:52.853 --> 0:01:57.573 at just how good keepers used to be when you 0:01:57.653 --> 0:02:01.613 played against him, and it was always actually just a 0:02:01.733 --> 0:02:05.453 very quick couple of sentences in a team meeting. We 0:02:05.493 --> 0:02:09.293 even mentioned him watch out for Silvery's you know, he 0:02:09.333 --> 0:02:15.133 would always he would virtually every club match you'd go 0:02:15.253 --> 0:02:21.133 through and there would be stump McMahon Bold Taylor or 0:02:21.333 --> 0:02:25.173 stump McMahon Bold Harry, you know, I mean it was, 0:02:25.973 --> 0:02:29.533 it was. It was a brilliant He was brilliant, and 0:02:29.573 --> 0:02:32.933 it was always mentioned. The second sentence was if you 0:02:32.973 --> 0:02:35.933 are at the non striker's end and he creeps up, 0:02:36.373 --> 0:02:39.333 you stop the bowler bowl and throw your bat across 0:02:39.373 --> 0:02:39.813 in front. 0:02:39.893 --> 0:02:41.053 Save that. 0:02:41.173 --> 0:02:45.253 Yeah. If I get stumped, oh I'm going to get 0:02:45.293 --> 0:02:47.853 you later on. Gee was good, wasn't he? 0:02:48.133 --> 0:02:49.293 You always read. 0:02:49.133 --> 0:02:53.773 Down leg side and you overbalanced slightly and the backfoot 0:02:53.813 --> 0:02:56.413 came up bang. Yeah. 0:02:56.453 --> 0:02:59.853 I had the pleasure of playing both with and against him, 0:03:00.093 --> 0:03:04.093 at club level, and he was he was an interesting character. Yeah. 0:03:04.133 --> 0:03:06.373 He What he used to do was he used to 0:03:06.453 --> 0:03:08.933 hide behind the batsman and sneak up down excited. You're 0:03:08.933 --> 0:03:12.253 not allowed to do that now, and so they've killed that. 0:03:12.733 --> 0:03:15.253 But I always remember him, and he denied it when 0:03:15.253 --> 0:03:18.253 I said it to him, but his sons agreed with 0:03:18.293 --> 0:03:22.533 me at the funeral that he had a hardware store 0:03:22.573 --> 0:03:27.053 in the Eastern Suburbs and when they started playing cricket 0:03:27.093 --> 0:03:30.013 at midday, he was struggling to get there for the 0:03:30.053 --> 0:03:32.213 start of play. He always got there just on time. 0:03:32.293 --> 0:03:35.093 But he arrived in his car. He's in his whites, 0:03:35.453 --> 0:03:38.453 He's got his pads on because if it was the 0:03:38.493 --> 0:03:41.293 first day, he knew he was either going to hope. 0:03:41.293 --> 0:03:42.653 He had automatic words. 0:03:45.453 --> 0:03:46.653 I think it might have been a manual. 0:03:46.693 --> 0:03:49.613 I I bet he doesn't. I bet he didn't. I 0:03:49.653 --> 0:03:50.293 bet he didn't. 0:03:51.413 --> 0:03:53.653 But he had the pads on because he knew he 0:03:53.693 --> 0:03:56.093 was either keeping wickets if it was day one or 0:03:56.173 --> 0:03:58.573 day two, and he'd be opening the batting, so it 0:03:58.613 --> 0:04:03.133 didn't it didn't really matter. And I always remember when 0:04:03.133 --> 0:04:05.653 I first played against me, he had a vicious square 0:04:05.693 --> 0:04:08.013 cut like most wicket keepers, you know, you think of 0:04:08.053 --> 0:04:10.653 all the keepers around the world, they all seem to 0:04:10.693 --> 0:04:12.453 know how to play the cut stroke. 0:04:13.053 --> 0:04:16.253 They do they do, you quite right, and he was 0:04:16.533 --> 0:04:18.773 I mean the other aspect, I mean, apart from his 0:04:18.893 --> 0:04:21.533 playing on the field, which she was. You know, I 0:04:21.573 --> 0:04:25.893 don't is there any problem with the keepers moving up? Yes, 0:04:25.973 --> 0:04:30.213 of course the batsman can't see you, but the non 0:04:30.253 --> 0:04:35.533 striker can. Yeah, you know, I don't have really not 0:04:35.653 --> 0:04:38.213 a huge problem with that. Yeah, it's a bit sneaky, 0:04:38.773 --> 0:04:44.453 but lots of sneaky things happen over the years, so 0:04:44.613 --> 0:04:47.133 I mean, and if he's good enough to get it, 0:04:47.293 --> 0:04:49.733 If he's good enough to get it, A lot of 0:04:49.813 --> 0:04:53.693 keepers wouldn't pick that up on you know, they wouldn't 0:04:53.733 --> 0:04:55.893 pick the line up or the batsman's in the way 0:04:55.893 --> 0:04:59.053 of the ball, or it's full, you know, as you 0:04:59.133 --> 0:05:01.333 try and clip it away to the leg side, and 0:05:01.373 --> 0:05:05.093 that's why you lift the back foot. So you know, 0:05:05.373 --> 0:05:07.373 he's got to be a good keeper to do that 0:05:07.493 --> 0:05:13.573 as well. Just sneaking up alone is not really the 0:05:13.653 --> 0:05:15.893 point of it, is it, really, I don't think so. 0:05:17.093 --> 0:05:17.813 It was a skill. 0:05:18.613 --> 0:05:22.213 It was skill, yeah, And of course, you know, you 0:05:22.213 --> 0:05:25.053 think back to those sides fifty five fifty six that 0:05:25.093 --> 0:05:30.573 he went on that tour to Pakistan and India, was 0:05:30.573 --> 0:05:32.973 it or was it just India? I can't hope, yeah, 0:05:33.093 --> 0:05:35.853 both of them. And he played his first Test there, 0:05:35.853 --> 0:05:38.773 didn't he he did, I think, and that he came 0:05:38.893 --> 0:05:41.493 back also to New Zealand and might have had one 0:05:41.613 --> 0:05:45.773 further test. Yes, but they batted number eleven, number ten 0:05:45.813 --> 0:05:48.293 and eleven, didn't they the keepers? 0:05:48.813 --> 0:05:53.493 Yeah, well, he he did the first Test at the 0:05:53.613 --> 0:05:55.573 NEED and I think it was against the West Indies 0:05:55.653 --> 0:05:58.493 in fifty six and then he was dropped in favor 0:05:58.693 --> 0:06:02.813 of Sammy Gillen And there was also Ian Kahuna around 0:06:02.853 --> 0:06:05.173 then and I think they probably thought that they were 0:06:05.173 --> 0:06:11.093 better bat at batting than the TG. But you know, 0:06:12.813 --> 0:06:16.053 he was a long servant of the domestic game, the 0:06:16.093 --> 0:06:19.453 club game. He played a club senior game I think 0:06:19.493 --> 0:06:23.613 when he was fifty and played either with or against 0:06:23.653 --> 0:06:26.973 his sons, one of his sons, and it was you know, 0:06:27.213 --> 0:06:29.333 I mean that that was just the TG. And he 0:06:30.533 --> 0:06:35.253 got through to be the second oldest living Test player, yes, 0:06:35.693 --> 0:06:37.573 and he was a good friend of the oldest living 0:06:37.573 --> 0:06:41.013 Test player, who was Neil Harvey ninety seven. But it's 0:06:41.053 --> 0:06:43.773 interesting to think about you know New Zealanders who have 0:06:43.813 --> 0:06:47.973 survived through into the nineties. Ian Leggett is coming up 0:06:48.093 --> 0:06:52.493 ninety six in June, still alive. Bob Blair in England 0:06:52.733 --> 0:06:59.013 turns ninety four this tune. And John Guy. 0:07:01.253 --> 0:07:03.453 He was in that side, wasn't he fifty five? 0:07:03.813 --> 0:07:06.293 He's the only surviving member of that too, got one 0:07:06.333 --> 0:07:09.653 hundred and that game an underrated player, John Guy, and 0:07:09.693 --> 0:07:13.893 he's still alive in his nineties as well. So you know, 0:07:15.213 --> 0:07:19.293 it's nice to remember and reflect and pay our respects 0:07:19.373 --> 0:07:22.533 to those people because they have been wonderful servants of 0:07:22.573 --> 0:07:25.693 the game and the you know, the forerunner of what 0:07:26.333 --> 0:07:29.013 you became and what other people have become. Have they? 0:07:29.053 --> 0:07:31.613 I mean you would have did you play Plunket Shield 0:07:31.693 --> 0:07:34.173 with TG? Or was he the selector? 0:07:34.333 --> 0:07:34.413 No? 0:07:34.533 --> 0:07:38.613 Ian Sirkleson was the Wellington keeper at that time, but 0:07:38.773 --> 0:07:43.613 I you know, TG would not have disgraced himself in 0:07:43.693 --> 0:07:47.813 the slightest at that level. I mean he was a 0:07:47.933 --> 0:07:52.573 very very good mover, great hands and better than that. Actually, 0:07:53.493 --> 0:07:55.533 as you look back, it tends to be the sort 0:07:55.573 --> 0:07:58.693 of person he was on the field. You know, he 0:07:58.853 --> 0:08:03.293 was a decent bloke and he he always always was 0:08:03.333 --> 0:08:05.733 there to have a chat too after and there would 0:08:05.773 --> 0:08:09.693 you know, irrespective of the result or any tensions on 0:08:09.733 --> 0:08:13.093 the field, you know, Silvery would always come over and 0:08:13.133 --> 0:08:15.613 have a quick beer and then shoot away, you know. 0:08:15.773 --> 0:08:20.133 But he was a good guy. And imagine playing against 0:08:20.213 --> 0:08:22.173 your sons, I mean, and things like that. I mean, 0:08:22.333 --> 0:08:25.813 it's a shame his wife didn't play, you know, really well. 0:08:25.933 --> 0:08:28.533 She had to bring up not only TV. 0:08:31.093 --> 0:08:35.173 Imagine cleaning all those green stains off trousers for years. 0:08:34.893 --> 0:08:40.013 Oh yeah, for a long long time. Plunket Shield was 0:08:40.053 --> 0:08:44.453 of course something that he will remember with fondness. And 0:08:44.613 --> 0:08:48.293 we're talking about the Plunket Shield. It's coming down to 0:08:48.333 --> 0:08:52.453 the wire now, and you have got an interest because 0:08:53.693 --> 0:08:57.253 grandson is playing in Otago and they've got a big 0:08:57.333 --> 0:09:02.493 chance of picking up the trophy. There's four in with 0:09:02.973 --> 0:09:07.813 a hunt for the Plunket Shield and Otago had just 0:09:07.933 --> 0:09:11.013 quiet worked themselves up to second spot and they play 0:09:11.053 --> 0:09:13.093 Wellington in the final round. That's coming up. 0:09:13.973 --> 0:09:16.493 They do and at home I think they're playing down 0:09:16.533 --> 0:09:19.413 in Otago University of which is a pitch that just 0:09:19.493 --> 0:09:22.053 gives a little bit to the bowlers. So it is 0:09:22.093 --> 0:09:25.333 a kind of semi result pitch if you like. Yeah, 0:09:25.373 --> 0:09:28.733 it's It's interesting, isn't it. Otago have always been a 0:09:28.773 --> 0:09:32.173 younger team. I think because it's a university town, and 0:09:33.093 --> 0:09:37.573 that's not a bad thing. I think they introduce younger 0:09:37.613 --> 0:09:40.093 players and we see how they develop and how they 0:09:40.133 --> 0:09:42.493 go and if they're good enough. I don't have any 0:09:42.533 --> 0:09:44.933 problem with that at all. But what it's meant is 0:09:45.333 --> 0:09:49.493 it's been difficult for them to get Reno, to win 0:09:49.533 --> 0:09:51.933 a Plunket Shield or to be up there in contention 0:09:52.893 --> 0:09:56.333 for what forty years? I remember we won in eighty seven. 0:09:56.413 --> 0:10:00.613 I think we won the Plunket Shield Wellington. I don't 0:10:00.693 --> 0:10:02.973 think they've won since then, have they? No? 0:10:03.173 --> 0:10:07.933 They won the next year I think was yeah, yeah, 0:10:08.013 --> 0:10:12.453 so you know, and in of course in times gone by, 0:10:13.053 --> 0:10:15.813 Wally Lee's and the bracelets and the Blairs and all 0:10:15.853 --> 0:10:19.893 sorts made up there name. There's no household names as 0:10:19.973 --> 0:10:24.173 such when you think about Otago, but one household name 0:10:24.613 --> 0:10:26.733 will be Shane O'Connor his son Tom. 0:10:26.893 --> 0:10:28.453 Oh. Yes, what a debut. 0:10:28.533 --> 0:10:31.333 He's got twenty three wickets at eleven. 0:10:31.893 --> 0:10:34.493 You know, he left arma two wads left arm. 0:10:34.973 --> 0:10:37.133 They say he's just picked up a yard or two 0:10:37.133 --> 0:10:39.973 of pace as well, which will help him get the 0:10:40.013 --> 0:10:44.693 ball to swing. And the other thing is he played 0:10:44.693 --> 0:10:46.893 a beginning of the bat. They won the game against 0:10:46.893 --> 0:10:51.133 Northern Districts and he got eighty odd to help them 0:10:51.133 --> 0:10:53.853 through to that. So you know, these young players and 0:10:54.053 --> 0:10:58.093 you know you were Tom and some of the other 0:10:58.133 --> 0:11:02.253 young players that are playing for Otago have really worked 0:11:02.293 --> 0:11:06.853 pretty hard and that they could well win it. It would 0:11:06.853 --> 0:11:10.533 be encouraging if they because the Canterbury playing Auckland. Canterbury 0:11:10.613 --> 0:11:13.373 leading at the moment and they're playing Auckland in Auckland, 0:11:13.533 --> 0:11:15.133 anything could happen there, couldn't it. 0:11:15.493 --> 0:11:15.693 Yeah? 0:11:15.733 --> 0:11:15.933 Could? 0:11:15.973 --> 0:11:17.973 That'll be the number two ground, won't it on? So 0:11:18.573 --> 0:11:22.293 that's usually a reasonably decent pitch. Small boundaries of course, 0:11:23.613 --> 0:11:28.173 so runs become you know, the currency there and leaving 0:11:28.813 --> 0:11:32.573 and both teams will want to win, so there will 0:11:32.613 --> 0:11:35.173 be there'll be some striving going on in fact between 0:11:35.213 --> 0:11:40.053 those two games, won't there great It's a great finish 0:11:40.093 --> 0:11:44.453 to the local season, which is you know, it's it's 0:11:44.493 --> 0:11:48.053 it's encouraging. I think that we've got, you know, those 0:11:48.373 --> 0:11:52.133 sides together at the top. I think Otago a third 0:11:52.173 --> 0:11:57.293 at the moment and maybe Auckland just behind. But look, 0:11:57.373 --> 0:12:01.493 it's it's going to be a good a good match 0:12:01.893 --> 0:12:07.453 because every side could potentially get there. They've got bonus 0:12:07.453 --> 0:12:11.773 points on the first innings only now and then you've 0:12:11.773 --> 0:12:15.693 got to crack on, don't you. So it was a 0:12:15.733 --> 0:12:19.173 good game. Otago needed something like three hundred and fifty odd, 0:12:19.213 --> 0:12:23.773 didn't they? They do, and that's a big chase to 0:12:23.893 --> 0:12:26.413 keep going for that length of time, and they managed 0:12:26.733 --> 0:12:28.973 a couple of partnerships of fifty and a couple of 0:12:28.973 --> 0:12:31.773 one hundred, so it was kind of a team effort 0:12:32.013 --> 0:12:35.653 when you think of it in those terms. So enough 0:12:35.693 --> 0:12:39.213 of them were just good enough. I think O'Connor at 0:12:39.293 --> 0:12:42.413 four consecutive sixers, didn't they. They got to the point 0:12:42.613 --> 0:12:46.613 where Jeep Reval went to short pitched, bought bowling and 0:12:47.853 --> 0:12:52.493 he loved them over to very good support apparently from 0:12:52.533 --> 0:12:56.173 the boundary from all the local club players who had 0:12:56.173 --> 0:12:58.973 finished their match and were then sitting and watching as well. 0:12:59.413 --> 0:13:03.253 And even Jeep Reval went across and sank them. I 0:13:03.253 --> 0:13:06.173 think he's in about his second to last match before 0:13:06.213 --> 0:13:08.773 he retires. I'm not sure, but he was over and 0:13:08.813 --> 0:13:12.853 said thanks so much. You know, you presented such a 0:13:12.933 --> 0:13:17.413 really good atmosphere and a lot of humor and he 0:13:17.573 --> 0:13:19.253 enjoyed it and good on him for doing that. 0:13:20.013 --> 0:13:22.733 Yes, and we won't mention Wellington, who are bringing up 0:13:22.733 --> 0:13:26.613 the rear of the competition at the moment they will return. 0:13:27.373 --> 0:13:35.333 Yeah, absolutely, They've got some dangerous players, you know. And 0:13:35.533 --> 0:13:38.413 Sneddon Snedden's coming be got a five for, didn't he 0:13:38.533 --> 0:13:42.093 And he'll be better for that runout, won't he? 0:13:42.253 --> 0:13:43.613 Yes he will. 0:13:44.133 --> 0:13:48.613 Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot the. 0:13:48.573 --> 0:13:51.333 T twenty competition is something we're going to talk about 0:13:51.773 --> 0:13:55.853 today before we do. The interest in the T twenties 0:13:55.893 --> 0:13:59.853 against South Africa B featuring New Zealand B has been 0:13:59.933 --> 0:14:03.813 pretty minimal. I'm disappointed that the New Zealand side have 0:14:03.893 --> 0:14:07.573 come home with silver medals from the World T twenty. 0:14:08.453 --> 0:14:12.573 They're sharing over a million dollars about one point four 0:14:13.173 --> 0:14:15.653 million US dollars and prize money, so they get about 0:14:15.653 --> 0:14:17.973 one hundred and fifty thousand each. I don't know how 0:14:17.973 --> 0:14:19.893 they saught that to the coaches if we get any 0:14:20.173 --> 0:14:23.173 share of the prize winning money, do the players contribute 0:14:23.173 --> 0:14:23.693 in any way? 0:14:24.853 --> 0:14:26.853 To God? I would I couldn't tell you. We didn't 0:14:26.853 --> 0:14:32.653 have coaches. We got a what at which we used 0:14:32.653 --> 0:14:36.733 to sell and split the money up. Padal's got a 0:14:36.773 --> 0:14:39.253 car once and split the money on that and got 0:14:39.253 --> 0:14:41.733 a car the second time, and fair enough he decided, 0:14:41.933 --> 0:14:47.293 I've given it to you once, fellas. But really we 0:14:47.693 --> 0:14:53.013 weren't with a very different game nowadays, let's put it 0:14:53.053 --> 0:14:58.493 that way. So but yeah, I can understand your view 0:15:00.173 --> 0:15:06.773 about you know, international cricket. I'm afraid it is a 0:15:06.773 --> 0:15:09.693 way of the world now days. We kind of are 0:15:09.693 --> 0:15:13.333 told we have to live with this. We don't necessarily 0:15:13.333 --> 0:15:17.413 see the marquee players all the time, and that's going 0:15:17.453 --> 0:15:20.213 to continue. I think, whils, it's not going to get better, 0:15:20.293 --> 0:15:23.653 it's probably going to get worse. And it means you've 0:15:23.653 --> 0:15:26.133 got to have more players who can play international cricket, 0:15:26.133 --> 0:15:30.733 don't you. That's really effectively what it means. And he 0:15:30.973 --> 0:15:36.533 twenties are probably of the three formats the better one 0:15:36.573 --> 0:15:41.173 to enter, I would guess through that. I mean, the 0:15:41.213 --> 0:15:43.133 worst part would be as if you were a red 0:15:43.173 --> 0:15:44.533 bull cricketer only. 0:15:45.453 --> 0:15:47.693 Yes, well, yeah, I've got to have Yeah, you've got 0:15:47.733 --> 0:15:49.893 to have wider skills, don't you. What I mean what 0:15:49.973 --> 0:15:54.093 gets at me is that you have a competition, you're 0:15:54.093 --> 0:15:57.053 selling it to the local market. Here, people aren't going along. 0:15:57.213 --> 0:15:58.493 What do they want to go along for? Well, they 0:15:58.573 --> 0:16:00.613 want to go and see Tim Seifertt, they want to 0:16:00.613 --> 0:16:03.133 go and see Fanellen, and they want to see the 0:16:03.173 --> 0:16:05.733 stars playing here at home. It's all very well seen 0:16:05.893 --> 0:16:07.413 on TV. But if you're going to go to a ground, 0:16:07.453 --> 0:16:11.333 you want to see those players. They've featured pretty prominently 0:16:11.373 --> 0:16:14.413 in the one hundred in England in terms of being 0:16:14.453 --> 0:16:17.173 signed up. I mean, Mitchell Center has been playing and 0:16:17.213 --> 0:16:19.333 he's the highest paid New Zealander there one hundred and 0:16:19.373 --> 0:16:22.173 seventy five thousand. But you know, these guys are all 0:16:22.173 --> 0:16:28.573 getting upwards of one hundred thousand in contracts, and even 0:16:28.653 --> 0:16:32.693 the women are getting contracts that are substantial as well. 0:16:32.733 --> 0:16:35.853 Sophie Devine is getting two hundred and ten thousand pounds 0:16:35.893 --> 0:16:40.253 for goodness sake, merely kure eighty thousand. But at least 0:16:40.293 --> 0:16:44.253 we're seeing those women playing in New Zealand, We're not 0:16:44.293 --> 0:16:46.693 seeing the men. So that's the issue that I take 0:16:46.733 --> 0:16:46.973 with it. 0:16:47.613 --> 0:16:50.773 Yeah, well, I don't know. We haven't got an answer 0:16:50.773 --> 0:16:53.133 to this, have we. There's no as in fact, there's 0:16:53.173 --> 0:16:57.013 no answer. The players just make their selections and they 0:16:57.053 --> 0:16:59.653 move on and they go and they try and I 0:16:59.653 --> 0:17:02.573 guess carry out their contracts that they that they are, 0:17:02.853 --> 0:17:07.213 you know, legally obliged to do. But they can get 0:17:07.213 --> 0:17:08.093 out of those as well. 0:17:08.133 --> 0:17:11.213 Some times they seem to be able to. And we 0:17:11.373 --> 0:17:15.173 have a number of them playing in various competitions and 0:17:15.213 --> 0:17:16.493 there's going to be a lot more of than but 0:17:17.213 --> 0:17:20.333 T twenty, well, are we destined to have the best 0:17:20.373 --> 0:17:24.053 part of our summer overrun by T twenty tests being 0:17:24.133 --> 0:17:28.453 played either overseas or in the rainy season? October November 0:17:28.533 --> 0:17:31.053 December is when we had the last lot and it 0:17:31.093 --> 0:17:35.413 seems that's the way it's going to be. But it's 0:17:35.453 --> 0:17:38.853 an issue that's being addressed by New Zealand Cricket at 0:17:38.853 --> 0:17:42.893 the moment. Is the New Zealand twenty T twenty competition 0:17:43.333 --> 0:17:45.533 or team in the Big Bess League or any other 0:17:46.453 --> 0:17:51.773 prospect available, what should they be thinking about? We don't 0:17:52.173 --> 0:17:54.773 hear too much, Dury. We don't know what is being 0:17:55.333 --> 0:17:57.933 put forward as a case study. 0:17:57.613 --> 0:18:03.573 Do we No, don't. It's the details we don't know, 0:18:04.373 --> 0:18:12.093 And I mean it obviously appears that the current options 0:18:12.533 --> 0:18:17.533 have been limited now to two. One of them obviously 0:18:17.693 --> 0:18:20.973 the Big Bash Australian option and the other one the 0:18:21.053 --> 0:18:26.693 n Z twenty, the Indian kind of backed league. But 0:18:27.213 --> 0:18:31.053 we're short on details. You're absolutely right, and that's why 0:18:31.093 --> 0:18:34.853 there's all this kind of speculation that goes on about it. 0:18:35.773 --> 0:18:39.573 The BBL. We know that they are offering one New 0:18:39.653 --> 0:18:43.933 Zealand side with the prospect of a second depending upon 0:18:44.053 --> 0:18:48.773 various KPIs and whether they reach those, a second team 0:18:48.813 --> 0:18:54.573 could go in. So if they reach those, yeah, they 0:18:54.613 --> 0:18:57.933 would be playing. We'd have two teams playing in front 0:18:57.933 --> 0:19:02.133 of a large and well established, you know, competition and 0:19:02.133 --> 0:19:07.493 the large crowds good grounds. The women's game, I do 0:19:07.653 --> 0:19:11.653 hear in the there's my understanding is that an offer 0:19:11.693 --> 0:19:13.973 has been made for the women as well to join 0:19:15.613 --> 0:19:17.693 and give it a bit of a boost and maybe 0:19:17.773 --> 0:19:21.653 protect a little bit in the future. Whether that's an 0:19:21.693 --> 0:19:24.653 immediate one with the men's side, I don't know whether 0:19:24.653 --> 0:19:27.213 that's going to happen. The other thing is that they 0:19:27.253 --> 0:19:30.653 will be known and the New Zealand is as locals 0:19:30.653 --> 0:19:34.573 in other words, and not internationals. In other words. They 0:19:34.613 --> 0:19:37.133 will become if you are on the New Zealand team, 0:19:37.253 --> 0:19:42.653 a local Australian player, and therefore they would not take 0:19:42.773 --> 0:19:47.613 up the other international players' positions in the squads for 0:19:47.693 --> 0:19:51.493 the BBL. So that's actually quite an advantage, isn't it. 0:19:51.533 --> 0:19:54.213 If they are good enough and you don't make the 0:19:54.253 --> 0:19:57.733 New Zealand Big Bash, say team, you can still go 0:19:57.773 --> 0:20:02.133 through another route, which is you could become a local 0:20:02.213 --> 0:20:06.013 player and play for the Sydney Sixers or whatever as 0:20:06.053 --> 0:20:11.693 a local Australian player. So that's quite another little option. 0:20:13.653 --> 0:20:19.213 I think that option also allows for the opportunity to 0:20:19.253 --> 0:20:23.093 still play international tests. You were mentioning that a moment 0:20:23.133 --> 0:20:27.013 ago in what is the kind of the January and 0:20:27.093 --> 0:20:31.093 a bit of fab which is generally a better time 0:20:31.133 --> 0:20:33.773 to play test cricket, isn't it. The weather is a 0:20:33.773 --> 0:20:37.013 bit more consistent, The pitchers are a little bit better 0:20:38.413 --> 0:20:42.333 certainly than the cooler and the windier November December you 0:20:42.413 --> 0:20:45.413 talk about when you've got to pack as a supporter 0:20:45.573 --> 0:20:50.613 a coat and a rug and get a thermos. But 0:20:51.293 --> 0:20:55.333 and you know that's what I'm afraid Test cricket could 0:20:55.333 --> 0:21:00.453 be consigned to where the margins of our summer. You know, 0:21:00.573 --> 0:21:03.773 New Zealand Cricket may feel they've got to make some 0:21:03.893 --> 0:21:06.613 cash out of n Z twenty. Well you can understand that, 0:21:07.813 --> 0:21:10.413 but they could also lose out on tests, I think 0:21:12.453 --> 0:21:15.013 even more than they do now with just November December. 0:21:15.013 --> 0:21:19.173 It's not it's not the better times a year and 0:21:20.053 --> 0:21:23.133 it is it. I mean, they don't really market the tests, 0:21:23.453 --> 0:21:28.333 to be honest, I don't know what I'm assuming. The 0:21:28.373 --> 0:21:33.453 Big Bash, despite the large crowds and established competition, is 0:21:33.813 --> 0:21:36.373 losing a bit of cash, I would say, while they 0:21:36.413 --> 0:21:37.613 want to sell it otherwise. 0:21:38.333 --> 0:21:41.173 Yeah, it's an interesting scenario and we should be looking 0:21:41.213 --> 0:21:43.373 across the Tasman to see what's going on because this 0:21:43.493 --> 0:21:46.533 is an important decision that New Zealand cricket have to 0:21:46.573 --> 0:21:51.813 make private investment buying equity and the lasting implemation implications. 0:21:52.573 --> 0:21:54.213 They can't afford to get it wrong. I was just 0:21:54.253 --> 0:21:57.333 reading Mel Farrell, who will know, a journalist who does 0:21:57.813 --> 0:22:02.213 a lot of work around the cricketing world, had a 0:22:02.253 --> 0:22:05.653 tweet interesting times for Australian cricket running at a loss 0:22:05.693 --> 0:22:07.733 for several years and all the eggs are in the 0:22:07.773 --> 0:22:14.533 home test BBL, WBBL Broadcast Basket, other domestic competitions all 0:22:14.613 --> 0:22:19.893 but invisible. And Daniel Breedegan, another journalist, has written an 0:22:20.013 --> 0:22:22.373 article about the same thing and one of the interesting 0:22:22.413 --> 0:22:25.933 points he makes is estimates of the value of the 0:22:26.013 --> 0:22:31.893 sale of these franchises in Australia based around the concept 0:22:31.933 --> 0:22:34.533 of selling say forty nine percent stake in six of 0:22:34.573 --> 0:22:37.893 the clubs and one hundred percent stake in one of 0:22:37.933 --> 0:22:40.773 the other two Melbourne and Sydney. They've got two teams 0:22:40.773 --> 0:22:44.773 in both those places. Have ranged between six hundred million 0:22:44.933 --> 0:22:48.253 and eight hundred million. You know, that's the money they're 0:22:48.293 --> 0:22:52.493 talking about now that that money is obscene when you 0:22:52.533 --> 0:22:54.053 think about it in New Zealand terms. 0:22:53.933 --> 0:23:00.013 Isn't it? It is? Well? Yeah, well where do New 0:23:00.093 --> 0:23:02.453 Zealand Cricket make their money? For a start? Do they 0:23:02.493 --> 0:23:05.453 make it basically from the ICC? Don't they there hand 0:23:05.493 --> 0:23:06.653 out their percentage? 0:23:06.973 --> 0:23:07.173 Yeah? 0:23:07.253 --> 0:23:11.853 World championships have sponsorship, they'll have sponsorship. And one might 0:23:11.893 --> 0:23:15.613 as well ask we've had the A n Z, you know, 0:23:16.573 --> 0:23:22.373 consistent solid supporters of the game. I'm not sure you'd 0:23:22.373 --> 0:23:28.493 want to be supporting as an A and Z. You know, 0:23:29.413 --> 0:23:32.493 an Indian owned or who does own it? We don't 0:23:32.493 --> 0:23:36.773 know who owns this tournament, but an Indian driven league, 0:23:37.333 --> 0:23:38.733 do you know what I mean? 0:23:38.773 --> 0:23:43.133 It seems to be the plan does what's that? Would 0:23:43.173 --> 0:23:44.013 you want that I. 0:23:43.973 --> 0:23:47.573 Mean, what did I mean? New Zealand Cricket get their 0:23:47.653 --> 0:23:51.173 cash from those three main avenues plus the broadcasting of course, 0:23:51.853 --> 0:23:55.973 and with that they fund all our local competitions planket 0:23:56.013 --> 0:24:00.533 shield under nineteen, under seventeen, all that and two of 0:24:00.613 --> 0:24:01.933 us going away. 0:24:02.053 --> 0:24:03.893 That's right, that's what we want them, that's what is 0:24:03.933 --> 0:24:04.733 best for the game. 0:24:05.733 --> 0:24:08.693 YEP and A and Z come under the sponsorship of course, 0:24:08.813 --> 0:24:11.053 but I'm not sure whether they'll be quite so keen 0:24:13.173 --> 0:24:17.973 in sponsoring that they're coming from, you know. And what 0:24:18.013 --> 0:24:21.813 about the time seeing we've mentioned broadcasting, what about the 0:24:21.853 --> 0:24:27.253 time for eyeballs Indian eyeballs? You know, we've basically got 0:24:28.053 --> 0:24:31.533