1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:19,653 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:19,173 --> 00:00:24,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, take another prick, it is out. The test is over. 4 00:00:27,213 --> 00:00:31,533 Speaker 2: Don't smoke a beauty, it is out here he goes. 5 00:00:31,613 --> 00:00:33,973 Speaker 2: This delivery has in the user to gool. 6 00:00:36,293 --> 00:00:39,693 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 7 00:00:40,013 --> 00:00:43,853 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks d B at iHeartRadio. 8 00:00:47,293 --> 00:00:49,573 Speaker 2: This week on the Front Foot, what does the future 9 00:00:49,653 --> 00:00:52,413 Speaker 2: hold for the young cricket facing a tough decision on 10 00:00:52,573 --> 00:00:56,933 Speaker 2: domestic T twenty opinions are divided. He's even to set 11 00:00:57,013 --> 00:01:00,933 Speaker 2: to earn big in the one hundred Our BT moves 12 00:01:00,973 --> 00:01:03,613 Speaker 2: to South Africa b in a T twenty opener. Then 13 00:01:03,653 --> 00:01:06,293 Speaker 2: they write the ship for a couple of wounds. But 14 00:01:06,493 --> 00:01:10,333 Speaker 2: is the integrity of international cricket the diminished? A blanket 15 00:01:10,333 --> 00:01:12,533 Speaker 2: shield down to the wire with a round to go 16 00:01:13,493 --> 00:01:16,733 Speaker 2: and some fond memories of a good mate who passed 17 00:01:16,773 --> 00:01:21,173 Speaker 2: away last week and you'll remember him well, Jeremy Cady 18 00:01:21,693 --> 00:01:25,373 Speaker 2: tg is we knew him. You knew him as Silvery. 19 00:01:25,373 --> 00:01:28,093 Speaker 2: I think he had a couple of nicknames, but Trevor 20 00:01:28,173 --> 00:01:32,413 Speaker 2: McMahon was just a wonderful friend to us all and 21 00:01:33,333 --> 00:01:36,813 Speaker 2: as was mentioned that his funeral service on last week, 22 00:01:37,653 --> 00:01:40,413 Speaker 2: a life well a fun man. 23 00:01:40,653 --> 00:01:45,453 Speaker 3: Absolutely right, Brian good Man. Yes, Silvery to me always 24 00:01:45,453 --> 00:01:49,213 Speaker 3: looked forward to playing against him as a club. At 25 00:01:49,253 --> 00:01:52,653 Speaker 3: a club level, you had a little glimpse, you know, 26 00:01:52,853 --> 00:01:57,573 Speaker 3: at just how good keepers used to be when you 27 00:01:57,653 --> 00:02:01,613 Speaker 3: played against him, and it was always actually just a 28 00:02:01,733 --> 00:02:05,453 Speaker 3: very quick couple of sentences in a team meeting. We 29 00:02:05,493 --> 00:02:09,293 Speaker 3: even mentioned him watch out for Silvery's you know, he 30 00:02:09,333 --> 00:02:15,133 Speaker 3: would always he would virtually every club match you'd go 31 00:02:15,253 --> 00:02:21,133 Speaker 3: through and there would be stump McMahon Bold Taylor or 32 00:02:21,333 --> 00:02:25,173 Speaker 3: stump McMahon Bold Harry, you know, I mean it was, 33 00:02:25,973 --> 00:02:29,533 Speaker 3: it was. It was a brilliant He was brilliant, and 34 00:02:29,573 --> 00:02:32,933 Speaker 3: it was always mentioned. The second sentence was if you 35 00:02:32,973 --> 00:02:35,933 Speaker 3: are at the non striker's end and he creeps up, 36 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:39,333 Speaker 3: you stop the bowler bowl and throw your bat across 37 00:02:39,373 --> 00:02:39,813 Speaker 3: in front. 38 00:02:39,893 --> 00:02:41,053 Speaker 2: Save that. 39 00:02:41,173 --> 00:02:45,253 Speaker 3: Yeah. If I get stumped, oh I'm going to get 40 00:02:45,293 --> 00:02:47,853 Speaker 3: you later on. Gee was good, wasn't he? 41 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:49,293 Speaker 2: You always read. 42 00:02:49,133 --> 00:02:53,773 Speaker 3: Down leg side and you overbalanced slightly and the backfoot 43 00:02:53,813 --> 00:02:56,413 Speaker 3: came up bang. Yeah. 44 00:02:56,453 --> 00:02:59,853 Speaker 2: I had the pleasure of playing both with and against him, 45 00:03:00,093 --> 00:03:04,093 Speaker 2: at club level, and he was he was an interesting character. Yeah. 46 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:06,373 Speaker 2: He What he used to do was he used to 47 00:03:06,453 --> 00:03:08,933 Speaker 2: hide behind the batsman and sneak up down excited. You're 48 00:03:08,933 --> 00:03:12,253 Speaker 2: not allowed to do that now, and so they've killed that. 49 00:03:12,733 --> 00:03:15,253 Speaker 2: But I always remember him, and he denied it when 50 00:03:15,253 --> 00:03:18,253 Speaker 2: I said it to him, but his sons agreed with 51 00:03:18,293 --> 00:03:22,533 Speaker 2: me at the funeral that he had a hardware store 52 00:03:22,573 --> 00:03:27,053 Speaker 2: in the Eastern Suburbs and when they started playing cricket 53 00:03:27,093 --> 00:03:30,013 Speaker 2: at midday, he was struggling to get there for the 54 00:03:30,053 --> 00:03:32,213 Speaker 2: start of play. He always got there just on time. 55 00:03:32,293 --> 00:03:35,093 Speaker 2: But he arrived in his car. He's in his whites, 56 00:03:35,453 --> 00:03:38,453 Speaker 2: He's got his pads on because if it was the 57 00:03:38,493 --> 00:03:41,293 Speaker 2: first day, he knew he was either going to hope. 58 00:03:41,293 --> 00:03:42,653 Speaker 3: He had automatic words. 59 00:03:45,453 --> 00:03:46,653 Speaker 2: I think it might have been a manual. 60 00:03:46,693 --> 00:03:49,613 Speaker 3: I I bet he doesn't. I bet he didn't. I 61 00:03:49,653 --> 00:03:50,293 Speaker 3: bet he didn't. 62 00:03:51,413 --> 00:03:53,653 Speaker 2: But he had the pads on because he knew he 63 00:03:53,693 --> 00:03:56,093 Speaker 2: was either keeping wickets if it was day one or 64 00:03:56,173 --> 00:03:58,573 Speaker 2: day two, and he'd be opening the batting, so it 65 00:03:58,613 --> 00:04:03,133 Speaker 2: didn't it didn't really matter. And I always remember when 66 00:04:03,133 --> 00:04:05,653 Speaker 2: I first played against me, he had a vicious square 67 00:04:05,693 --> 00:04:08,013 Speaker 2: cut like most wicket keepers, you know, you think of 68 00:04:08,053 --> 00:04:10,653 Speaker 2: all the keepers around the world, they all seem to 69 00:04:10,693 --> 00:04:12,453 Speaker 2: know how to play the cut stroke. 70 00:04:13,053 --> 00:04:16,253 Speaker 3: They do they do, you quite right, and he was 71 00:04:16,533 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 3: I mean the other aspect, I mean, apart from his 72 00:04:18,893 --> 00:04:21,533 Speaker 3: playing on the field, which she was. You know, I 73 00:04:21,573 --> 00:04:25,893 Speaker 3: don't is there any problem with the keepers moving up? Yes, 74 00:04:25,973 --> 00:04:30,213 Speaker 3: of course the batsman can't see you, but the non 75 00:04:30,253 --> 00:04:35,533 Speaker 3: striker can. Yeah, you know, I don't have really not 76 00:04:35,653 --> 00:04:38,213 Speaker 3: a huge problem with that. Yeah, it's a bit sneaky, 77 00:04:38,773 --> 00:04:44,453 Speaker 3: but lots of sneaky things happen over the years, so 78 00:04:44,613 --> 00:04:47,133 Speaker 3: I mean, and if he's good enough to get it, 79 00:04:47,293 --> 00:04:49,733 Speaker 3: If he's good enough to get it, A lot of 80 00:04:49,813 --> 00:04:53,693 Speaker 3: keepers wouldn't pick that up on you know, they wouldn't 81 00:04:53,733 --> 00:04:55,893 Speaker 3: pick the line up or the batsman's in the way 82 00:04:55,893 --> 00:04:59,053 Speaker 3: of the ball, or it's full, you know, as you 83 00:04:59,133 --> 00:05:01,333 Speaker 3: try and clip it away to the leg side, and 84 00:05:01,373 --> 00:05:05,093 Speaker 3: that's why you lift the back foot. So you know, 85 00:05:05,373 --> 00:05:07,373 Speaker 3: he's got to be a good keeper to do that 86 00:05:07,493 --> 00:05:13,573 Speaker 3: as well. Just sneaking up alone is not really the 87 00:05:13,653 --> 00:05:15,893 Speaker 3: point of it, is it, really, I don't think so. 88 00:05:17,093 --> 00:05:17,813 Speaker 2: It was a skill. 89 00:05:18,613 --> 00:05:22,213 Speaker 3: It was skill, yeah, And of course, you know, you 90 00:05:22,213 --> 00:05:25,053 Speaker 3: think back to those sides fifty five fifty six that 91 00:05:25,093 --> 00:05:30,573 Speaker 3: he went on that tour to Pakistan and India, was 92 00:05:30,573 --> 00:05:32,973 Speaker 3: it or was it just India? I can't hope, yeah, 93 00:05:33,093 --> 00:05:35,853 Speaker 3: both of them. And he played his first Test there, 94 00:05:35,853 --> 00:05:38,773 Speaker 3: didn't he he did, I think, and that he came 95 00:05:38,893 --> 00:05:41,493 Speaker 3: back also to New Zealand and might have had one 96 00:05:41,613 --> 00:05:45,773 Speaker 3: further test. Yes, but they batted number eleven, number ten 97 00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:48,293 Speaker 3: and eleven, didn't they the keepers? 98 00:05:48,813 --> 00:05:53,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he he did the first Test at the 99 00:05:53,613 --> 00:05:55,573 Speaker 2: NEED and I think it was against the West Indies 100 00:05:55,653 --> 00:05:58,493 Speaker 2: in fifty six and then he was dropped in favor 101 00:05:58,693 --> 00:06:02,813 Speaker 2: of Sammy Gillen And there was also Ian Kahuna around 102 00:06:02,853 --> 00:06:05,173 Speaker 2: then and I think they probably thought that they were 103 00:06:05,173 --> 00:06:11,093 Speaker 2: better bat at batting than the TG. But you know, 104 00:06:12,813 --> 00:06:16,053 Speaker 2: he was a long servant of the domestic game, the 105 00:06:16,093 --> 00:06:19,453 Speaker 2: club game. He played a club senior game I think 106 00:06:19,493 --> 00:06:23,613 Speaker 2: when he was fifty and played either with or against 107 00:06:23,653 --> 00:06:26,973 Speaker 2: his sons, one of his sons, and it was you know, 108 00:06:27,213 --> 00:06:29,333 Speaker 2: I mean that that was just the TG. And he 109 00:06:30,533 --> 00:06:35,253 Speaker 2: got through to be the second oldest living Test player, yes, 110 00:06:35,693 --> 00:06:37,573 Speaker 2: and he was a good friend of the oldest living 111 00:06:37,573 --> 00:06:41,013 Speaker 2: Test player, who was Neil Harvey ninety seven. But it's 112 00:06:41,053 --> 00:06:43,773 Speaker 2: interesting to think about you know New Zealanders who have 113 00:06:43,813 --> 00:06:47,973 Speaker 2: survived through into the nineties. Ian Leggett is coming up 114 00:06:48,093 --> 00:06:52,493 Speaker 2: ninety six in June, still alive. Bob Blair in England 115 00:06:52,733 --> 00:06:59,013 Speaker 2: turns ninety four this tune. And John Guy. 116 00:07:01,253 --> 00:07:03,453 Speaker 3: He was in that side, wasn't he fifty five? 117 00:07:03,813 --> 00:07:06,293 Speaker 2: He's the only surviving member of that too, got one 118 00:07:06,333 --> 00:07:09,653 Speaker 2: hundred and that game an underrated player, John Guy, and 119 00:07:09,693 --> 00:07:13,893 Speaker 2: he's still alive in his nineties as well. So you know, 120 00:07:15,213 --> 00:07:19,293 Speaker 2: it's nice to remember and reflect and pay our respects 121 00:07:19,373 --> 00:07:22,533 Speaker 2: to those people because they have been wonderful servants of 122 00:07:22,573 --> 00:07:25,693 Speaker 2: the game and the you know, the forerunner of what 123 00:07:26,333 --> 00:07:29,013 Speaker 2: you became and what other people have become. Have they? 124 00:07:29,053 --> 00:07:31,613 Speaker 2: I mean you would have did you play Plunket Shield 125 00:07:31,693 --> 00:07:34,173 Speaker 2: with TG? Or was he the selector? 126 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:34,413 Speaker 1: No? 127 00:07:34,533 --> 00:07:38,613 Speaker 3: Ian Sirkleson was the Wellington keeper at that time, but 128 00:07:38,773 --> 00:07:43,613 Speaker 3: I you know, TG would not have disgraced himself in 129 00:07:43,693 --> 00:07:47,813 Speaker 3: the slightest at that level. I mean he was a 130 00:07:47,933 --> 00:07:52,573 Speaker 3: very very good mover, great hands and better than that. Actually, 131 00:07:53,493 --> 00:07:55,533 Speaker 3: as you look back, it tends to be the sort 132 00:07:55,573 --> 00:07:58,693 Speaker 3: of person he was on the field. You know, he 133 00:07:58,853 --> 00:08:03,293 Speaker 3: was a decent bloke and he he always always was 134 00:08:03,333 --> 00:08:05,733 Speaker 3: there to have a chat too after and there would 135 00:08:05,773 --> 00:08:09,693 Speaker 3: you know, irrespective of the result or any tensions on 136 00:08:09,733 --> 00:08:13,093 Speaker 3: the field, you know, Silvery would always come over and 137 00:08:13,133 --> 00:08:15,613 Speaker 3: have a quick beer and then shoot away, you know. 138 00:08:15,773 --> 00:08:20,133 Speaker 3: But he was a good guy. And imagine playing against 139 00:08:20,213 --> 00:08:22,173 Speaker 3: your sons, I mean, and things like that. I mean, 140 00:08:22,333 --> 00:08:25,813 Speaker 3: it's a shame his wife didn't play, you know, really well. 141 00:08:25,933 --> 00:08:28,533 Speaker 2: She had to bring up not only TV. 142 00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:35,173 Speaker 3: Imagine cleaning all those green stains off trousers for years. 143 00:08:34,893 --> 00:08:40,013 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for a long long time. Plunket Shield was 144 00:08:40,053 --> 00:08:44,453 Speaker 2: of course something that he will remember with fondness. And 145 00:08:44,613 --> 00:08:48,293 Speaker 2: we're talking about the Plunket Shield. It's coming down to 146 00:08:48,333 --> 00:08:52,453 Speaker 2: the wire now, and you have got an interest because 147 00:08:53,693 --> 00:08:57,253 Speaker 2: grandson is playing in Otago and they've got a big 148 00:08:57,333 --> 00:09:02,493 Speaker 2: chance of picking up the trophy. There's four in with 149 00:09:02,973 --> 00:09:07,813 Speaker 2: a hunt for the Plunket Shield and Otago had just 150 00:09:07,933 --> 00:09:11,013 Speaker 2: quiet worked themselves up to second spot and they play 151 00:09:11,053 --> 00:09:13,093 Speaker 2: Wellington in the final round. That's coming up. 152 00:09:13,973 --> 00:09:16,493 Speaker 3: They do and at home I think they're playing down 153 00:09:16,533 --> 00:09:19,413 Speaker 3: in Otago University of which is a pitch that just 154 00:09:19,493 --> 00:09:22,053 Speaker 3: gives a little bit to the bowlers. So it is 155 00:09:22,093 --> 00:09:25,333 Speaker 3: a kind of semi result pitch if you like. Yeah, 156 00:09:25,373 --> 00:09:28,733 Speaker 3: it's It's interesting, isn't it. Otago have always been a 157 00:09:28,773 --> 00:09:32,173 Speaker 3: younger team. I think because it's a university town, and 158 00:09:33,093 --> 00:09:37,573 Speaker 3: that's not a bad thing. I think they introduce younger 159 00:09:37,613 --> 00:09:40,093 Speaker 3: players and we see how they develop and how they 160 00:09:40,133 --> 00:09:42,493 Speaker 3: go and if they're good enough. I don't have any 161 00:09:42,533 --> 00:09:44,933 Speaker 3: problem with that at all. But what it's meant is 162 00:09:45,333 --> 00:09:49,493 Speaker 3: it's been difficult for them to get Reno, to win 163 00:09:49,533 --> 00:09:51,933 Speaker 3: a Plunket Shield or to be up there in contention 164 00:09:52,893 --> 00:09:56,333 Speaker 3: for what forty years? I remember we won in eighty seven. 165 00:09:56,413 --> 00:10:00,613 Speaker 3: I think we won the Plunket Shield Wellington. I don't 166 00:10:00,693 --> 00:10:02,973 Speaker 3: think they've won since then, have they? No? 167 00:10:03,173 --> 00:10:07,933 Speaker 2: They won the next year I think was yeah, yeah, 168 00:10:08,013 --> 00:10:12,453 Speaker 2: so you know, and in of course in times gone by, 169 00:10:13,053 --> 00:10:15,813 Speaker 2: Wally Lee's and the bracelets and the Blairs and all 170 00:10:15,853 --> 00:10:19,893 Speaker 2: sorts made up there name. There's no household names as 171 00:10:19,973 --> 00:10:24,173 Speaker 2: such when you think about Otago, but one household name 172 00:10:24,613 --> 00:10:26,733 Speaker 2: will be Shane O'Connor his son Tom. 173 00:10:26,893 --> 00:10:28,453 Speaker 3: Oh. Yes, what a debut. 174 00:10:28,533 --> 00:10:31,333 Speaker 2: He's got twenty three wickets at eleven. 175 00:10:31,893 --> 00:10:34,493 Speaker 3: You know, he left arma two wads left arm. 176 00:10:34,973 --> 00:10:37,133 Speaker 2: They say he's just picked up a yard or two 177 00:10:37,133 --> 00:10:39,973 Speaker 2: of pace as well, which will help him get the 178 00:10:40,013 --> 00:10:44,693 Speaker 2: ball to swing. And the other thing is he played 179 00:10:44,693 --> 00:10:46,893 Speaker 2: a beginning of the bat. They won the game against 180 00:10:46,893 --> 00:10:51,133 Speaker 2: Northern Districts and he got eighty odd to help them 181 00:10:51,133 --> 00:10:53,853 Speaker 2: through to that. So you know, these young players and 182 00:10:54,053 --> 00:10:58,093 Speaker 2: you know you were Tom and some of the other 183 00:10:58,133 --> 00:11:02,253 Speaker 2: young players that are playing for Otago have really worked 184 00:11:02,293 --> 00:11:06,853 Speaker 2: pretty hard and that they could well win it. It would 185 00:11:06,853 --> 00:11:10,533 Speaker 2: be encouraging if they because the Canterbury playing Auckland. Canterbury 186 00:11:10,613 --> 00:11:13,373 Speaker 2: leading at the moment and they're playing Auckland in Auckland, 187 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:15,133 Speaker 2: anything could happen there, couldn't it. 188 00:11:15,493 --> 00:11:15,693 Speaker 3: Yeah? 189 00:11:15,733 --> 00:11:15,933 Speaker 2: Could? 190 00:11:15,973 --> 00:11:17,973 Speaker 3: That'll be the number two ground, won't it on? So 191 00:11:18,573 --> 00:11:22,293 Speaker 3: that's usually a reasonably decent pitch. Small boundaries of course, 192 00:11:23,613 --> 00:11:28,173 Speaker 3: so runs become you know, the currency there and leaving 193 00:11:28,813 --> 00:11:32,573 Speaker 3: and both teams will want to win, so there will 194 00:11:32,613 --> 00:11:35,173 Speaker 3: be there'll be some striving going on in fact between 195 00:11:35,213 --> 00:11:40,053 Speaker 3: those two games, won't there great It's a great finish 196 00:11:40,093 --> 00:11:44,453 Speaker 3: to the local season, which is you know, it's it's 197 00:11:44,493 --> 00:11:48,053 Speaker 3: it's encouraging. I think that we've got, you know, those 198 00:11:48,373 --> 00:11:52,133 Speaker 3: sides together at the top. I think Otago a third 199 00:11:52,173 --> 00:11:57,293 Speaker 3: at the moment and maybe Auckland just behind. But look, 200 00:11:57,373 --> 00:12:01,493 Speaker 3: it's it's going to be a good a good match 201 00:12:01,893 --> 00:12:07,453 Speaker 3: because every side could potentially get there. They've got bonus 202 00:12:07,453 --> 00:12:11,773 Speaker 3: points on the first innings only now and then you've 203 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:15,693 Speaker 3: got to crack on, don't you. So it was a 204 00:12:15,733 --> 00:12:19,173 Speaker 3: good game. Otago needed something like three hundred and fifty odd, 205 00:12:19,213 --> 00:12:23,773 Speaker 3: didn't they? They do, and that's a big chase to 206 00:12:23,893 --> 00:12:26,413 Speaker 3: keep going for that length of time, and they managed 207 00:12:26,733 --> 00:12:28,973 Speaker 3: a couple of partnerships of fifty and a couple of 208 00:12:28,973 --> 00:12:31,773 Speaker 3: one hundred, so it was kind of a team effort 209 00:12:32,013 --> 00:12:35,653 Speaker 3: when you think of it in those terms. So enough 210 00:12:35,693 --> 00:12:39,213 Speaker 3: of them were just good enough. I think O'Connor at 211 00:12:39,293 --> 00:12:42,413 Speaker 3: four consecutive sixers, didn't they. They got to the point 212 00:12:42,613 --> 00:12:46,613 Speaker 3: where Jeep Reval went to short pitched, bought bowling and 213 00:12:47,853 --> 00:12:52,493 Speaker 3: he loved them over to very good support apparently from 214 00:12:52,533 --> 00:12:56,173 Speaker 3: the boundary from all the local club players who had 215 00:12:56,173 --> 00:12:58,973 Speaker 3: finished their match and were then sitting and watching as well. 216 00:12:59,413 --> 00:13:03,253 Speaker 3: And even Jeep Reval went across and sank them. I 217 00:13:03,253 --> 00:13:06,173 Speaker 3: think he's in about his second to last match before 218 00:13:06,213 --> 00:13:08,773 Speaker 3: he retires. I'm not sure, but he was over and 219 00:13:08,813 --> 00:13:12,853 Speaker 3: said thanks so much. You know, you presented such a 220 00:13:12,933 --> 00:13:17,413 Speaker 3: really good atmosphere and a lot of humor and he 221 00:13:17,573 --> 00:13:19,253 Speaker 3: enjoyed it and good on him for doing that. 222 00:13:20,013 --> 00:13:22,733 Speaker 2: Yes, and we won't mention Wellington, who are bringing up 223 00:13:22,733 --> 00:13:26,613 Speaker 2: the rear of the competition at the moment they will return. 224 00:13:27,373 --> 00:13:35,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, They've got some dangerous players, you know. And 225 00:13:35,533 --> 00:13:38,413 Speaker 3: Sneddon Snedden's coming be got a five for, didn't he 226 00:13:38,533 --> 00:13:42,093 Speaker 3: And he'll be better for that runout, won't he? 227 00:13:42,253 --> 00:13:43,613 Speaker 2: Yes he will. 228 00:13:44,133 --> 00:13:48,613 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot the. 229 00:13:48,573 --> 00:13:51,333 Speaker 2: T twenty competition is something we're going to talk about 230 00:13:51,773 --> 00:13:55,853 Speaker 2: today before we do. The interest in the T twenties 231 00:13:55,893 --> 00:13:59,853 Speaker 2: against South Africa B featuring New Zealand B has been 232 00:13:59,933 --> 00:14:03,813 Speaker 2: pretty minimal. I'm disappointed that the New Zealand side have 233 00:14:03,893 --> 00:14:07,573 Speaker 2: come home with silver medals from the World T twenty. 234 00:14:08,453 --> 00:14:12,573 Speaker 2: They're sharing over a million dollars about one point four 235 00:14:13,173 --> 00:14:15,653 Speaker 2: million US dollars and prize money, so they get about 236 00:14:15,653 --> 00:14:17,973 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand each. I don't know how 237 00:14:17,973 --> 00:14:19,893 Speaker 2: they saught that to the coaches if we get any 238 00:14:20,173 --> 00:14:23,173 Speaker 2: share of the prize winning money, do the players contribute 239 00:14:23,173 --> 00:14:23,693 Speaker 2: in any way? 240 00:14:24,853 --> 00:14:26,853 Speaker 3: To God? I would I couldn't tell you. We didn't 241 00:14:26,853 --> 00:14:32,653 Speaker 3: have coaches. We got a what at which we used 242 00:14:32,653 --> 00:14:36,733 Speaker 3: to sell and split the money up. Padal's got a 243 00:14:36,773 --> 00:14:39,253 Speaker 3: car once and split the money on that and got 244 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,733 Speaker 3: a car the second time, and fair enough he decided, 245 00:14:41,933 --> 00:14:47,293 Speaker 3: I've given it to you once, fellas. But really we 246 00:14:47,693 --> 00:14:53,013 Speaker 3: weren't with a very different game nowadays, let's put it 247 00:14:53,053 --> 00:14:58,493 Speaker 3: that way. So but yeah, I can understand your view 248 00:15:00,173 --> 00:15:06,773 Speaker 3: about you know, international cricket. I'm afraid it is a 249 00:15:06,773 --> 00:15:09,693 Speaker 3: way of the world now days. We kind of are 250 00:15:09,693 --> 00:15:13,333 Speaker 3: told we have to live with this. We don't necessarily 251 00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:17,413 Speaker 3: see the marquee players all the time, and that's going 252 00:15:17,453 --> 00:15:20,213 Speaker 3: to continue. I think, whils, it's not going to get better, 253 00:15:20,293 --> 00:15:23,653 Speaker 3: it's probably going to get worse. And it means you've 254 00:15:23,653 --> 00:15:26,133 Speaker 3: got to have more players who can play international cricket, 255 00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:30,733 Speaker 3: don't you. That's really effectively what it means. And he 256 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:36,533 Speaker 3: twenties are probably of the three formats the better one 257 00:15:36,573 --> 00:15:41,173 Speaker 3: to enter, I would guess through that. I mean, the 258 00:15:41,213 --> 00:15:43,133 Speaker 3: worst part would be as if you were a red 259 00:15:43,173 --> 00:15:44,533 Speaker 3: bull cricketer only. 260 00:15:45,453 --> 00:15:47,693 Speaker 2: Yes, well, yeah, I've got to have Yeah, you've got 261 00:15:47,733 --> 00:15:49,893 Speaker 2: to have wider skills, don't you. What I mean what 262 00:15:49,973 --> 00:15:54,093 Speaker 2: gets at me is that you have a competition, you're 263 00:15:54,093 --> 00:15:57,053 Speaker 2: selling it to the local market. Here, people aren't going along. 264 00:15:57,213 --> 00:15:58,493 Speaker 2: What do they want to go along for? Well, they 265 00:15:58,573 --> 00:16:00,613 Speaker 2: want to go and see Tim Seifertt, they want to 266 00:16:00,613 --> 00:16:03,133 Speaker 2: go and see Fanellen, and they want to see the 267 00:16:03,173 --> 00:16:05,733 Speaker 2: stars playing here at home. It's all very well seen 268 00:16:05,893 --> 00:16:07,413 Speaker 2: on TV. But if you're going to go to a ground, 269 00:16:07,453 --> 00:16:11,333 Speaker 2: you want to see those players. They've featured pretty prominently 270 00:16:11,373 --> 00:16:14,413 Speaker 2: in the one hundred in England in terms of being 271 00:16:14,453 --> 00:16:17,173 Speaker 2: signed up. I mean, Mitchell Center has been playing and 272 00:16:17,213 --> 00:16:19,333 Speaker 2: he's the highest paid New Zealander there one hundred and 273 00:16:19,373 --> 00:16:22,173 Speaker 2: seventy five thousand. But you know, these guys are all 274 00:16:22,173 --> 00:16:28,573 Speaker 2: getting upwards of one hundred thousand in contracts, and even 275 00:16:28,653 --> 00:16:32,693 Speaker 2: the women are getting contracts that are substantial as well. 276 00:16:32,733 --> 00:16:35,853 Speaker 2: Sophie Devine is getting two hundred and ten thousand pounds 277 00:16:35,893 --> 00:16:40,253 Speaker 2: for goodness sake, merely kure eighty thousand. But at least 278 00:16:40,293 --> 00:16:44,253 Speaker 2: we're seeing those women playing in New Zealand, We're not 279 00:16:44,293 --> 00:16:46,693 Speaker 2: seeing the men. So that's the issue that I take 280 00:16:46,733 --> 00:16:46,973 Speaker 2: with it. 281 00:16:47,613 --> 00:16:50,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know. We haven't got an answer 282 00:16:50,773 --> 00:16:53,133 Speaker 3: to this, have we. There's no as in fact, there's 283 00:16:53,173 --> 00:16:57,013 Speaker 3: no answer. The players just make their selections and they 284 00:16:57,053 --> 00:16:59,653 Speaker 3: move on and they go and they try and I 285 00:16:59,653 --> 00:17:02,573 Speaker 3: guess carry out their contracts that they that they are, 286 00:17:02,853 --> 00:17:07,213 Speaker 3: you know, legally obliged to do. But they can get 287 00:17:07,213 --> 00:17:08,093 Speaker 3: out of those as well. 288 00:17:08,133 --> 00:17:11,213 Speaker 2: Some times they seem to be able to. And we 289 00:17:11,373 --> 00:17:15,173 Speaker 2: have a number of them playing in various competitions and 290 00:17:15,213 --> 00:17:16,493 Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot more of than but 291 00:17:17,213 --> 00:17:20,333 Speaker 2: T twenty, well, are we destined to have the best 292 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:24,053 Speaker 2: part of our summer overrun by T twenty tests being 293 00:17:24,133 --> 00:17:28,453 Speaker 2: played either overseas or in the rainy season? October November 294 00:17:28,533 --> 00:17:31,053 Speaker 2: December is when we had the last lot and it 295 00:17:31,093 --> 00:17:35,413 Speaker 2: seems that's the way it's going to be. But it's 296 00:17:35,453 --> 00:17:38,853 Speaker 2: an issue that's being addressed by New Zealand Cricket at 297 00:17:38,853 --> 00:17:42,893 Speaker 2: the moment. Is the New Zealand twenty T twenty competition 298 00:17:43,333 --> 00:17:45,533 Speaker 2: or team in the Big Bess League or any other 299 00:17:46,453 --> 00:17:51,773 Speaker 2: prospect available, what should they be thinking about? We don't 300 00:17:52,173 --> 00:17:54,773 Speaker 2: hear too much, Dury. We don't know what is being 301 00:17:55,333 --> 00:17:57,933 Speaker 2: put forward as a case study. 302 00:17:57,613 --> 00:18:03,573 Speaker 3: Do we No, don't. It's the details we don't know, 303 00:18:04,373 --> 00:18:12,093 Speaker 3: And I mean it obviously appears that the current options 304 00:18:12,533 --> 00:18:17,533 Speaker 3: have been limited now to two. One of them obviously 305 00:18:17,693 --> 00:18:20,973 Speaker 3: the Big Bash Australian option and the other one the 306 00:18:21,053 --> 00:18:26,693 Speaker 3: n Z twenty, the Indian kind of backed league. But 307 00:18:27,213 --> 00:18:31,053 Speaker 3: we're short on details. You're absolutely right, and that's why 308 00:18:31,093 --> 00:18:34,853 Speaker 3: there's all this kind of speculation that goes on about it. 309 00:18:35,773 --> 00:18:39,573 Speaker 3: The BBL. We know that they are offering one New 310 00:18:39,653 --> 00:18:43,933 Speaker 3: Zealand side with the prospect of a second depending upon 311 00:18:44,053 --> 00:18:48,773 Speaker 3: various KPIs and whether they reach those, a second team 312 00:18:48,813 --> 00:18:54,573 Speaker 3: could go in. So if they reach those, yeah, they 313 00:18:54,613 --> 00:18:57,933 Speaker 3: would be playing. We'd have two teams playing in front 314 00:18:57,933 --> 00:19:02,133 Speaker 3: of a large and well established, you know, competition and 315 00:19:02,133 --> 00:19:07,493 Speaker 3: the large crowds good grounds. The women's game, I do 316 00:19:07,653 --> 00:19:11,653 Speaker 3: hear in the there's my understanding is that an offer 317 00:19:11,693 --> 00:19:13,973 Speaker 3: has been made for the women as well to join 318 00:19:15,613 --> 00:19:17,693 Speaker 3: and give it a bit of a boost and maybe 319 00:19:17,773 --> 00:19:21,653 Speaker 3: protect a little bit in the future. Whether that's an 320 00:19:21,693 --> 00:19:24,653 Speaker 3: immediate one with the men's side, I don't know whether 321 00:19:24,653 --> 00:19:27,213 Speaker 3: that's going to happen. The other thing is that they 322 00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:30,653 Speaker 3: will be known and the New Zealand is as locals 323 00:19:30,653 --> 00:19:34,573 Speaker 3: in other words, and not internationals. In other words. They 324 00:19:34,613 --> 00:19:37,133 Speaker 3: will become if you are on the New Zealand team, 325 00:19:37,253 --> 00:19:42,653 Speaker 3: a local Australian player, and therefore they would not take 326 00:19:42,773 --> 00:19:47,613 Speaker 3: up the other international players' positions in the squads for 327 00:19:47,693 --> 00:19:51,493 Speaker 3: the BBL. So that's actually quite an advantage, isn't it. 328 00:19:51,533 --> 00:19:54,213 Speaker 3: If they are good enough and you don't make the 329 00:19:54,253 --> 00:19:57,733 Speaker 3: New Zealand Big Bash, say team, you can still go 330 00:19:57,773 --> 00:20:02,133 Speaker 3: through another route, which is you could become a local 331 00:20:02,213 --> 00:20:06,013 Speaker 3: player and play for the Sydney Sixers or whatever as 332 00:20:06,053 --> 00:20:11,693 Speaker 3: a local Australian player. So that's quite another little option. 333 00:20:13,653 --> 00:20:19,213 Speaker 3: I think that option also allows for the opportunity to 334 00:20:19,253 --> 00:20:23,093 Speaker 3: still play international tests. You were mentioning that a moment 335 00:20:23,133 --> 00:20:27,013 Speaker 3: ago in what is the kind of the January and 336 00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:31,093 Speaker 3: a bit of fab which is generally a better time 337 00:20:31,133 --> 00:20:33,773 Speaker 3: to play test cricket, isn't it. The weather is a 338 00:20:33,773 --> 00:20:37,013 Speaker 3: bit more consistent, The pitchers are a little bit better 339 00:20:38,413 --> 00:20:42,333 Speaker 3: certainly than the cooler and the windier November December you 340 00:20:42,413 --> 00:20:45,413 Speaker 3: talk about when you've got to pack as a supporter 341 00:20:45,573 --> 00:20:50,613 Speaker 3: a coat and a rug and get a thermos. But 342 00:20:51,293 --> 00:20:55,333 Speaker 3: and you know that's what I'm afraid Test cricket could 343 00:20:55,333 --> 00:21:00,453 Speaker 3: be consigned to where the margins of our summer. You know, 344 00:21:00,573 --> 00:21:03,773 Speaker 3: New Zealand Cricket may feel they've got to make some 345 00:21:03,893 --> 00:21:06,613 Speaker 3: cash out of n Z twenty. Well you can understand that, 346 00:21:07,813 --> 00:21:10,413 Speaker 3: but they could also lose out on tests, I think 347 00:21:12,453 --> 00:21:15,013 Speaker 3: even more than they do now with just November December. 348 00:21:15,013 --> 00:21:19,173 Speaker 3: It's not it's not the better times a year and 349 00:21:20,053 --> 00:21:23,133 Speaker 3: it is it. I mean, they don't really market the tests, 350 00:21:23,453 --> 00:21:28,333 Speaker 3: to be honest, I don't know what I'm assuming. The 351 00:21:28,373 --> 00:21:33,453 Speaker 3: Big Bash, despite the large crowds and established competition, is 352 00:21:33,813 --> 00:21:36,373 Speaker 3: losing a bit of cash, I would say, while they 353 00:21:36,413 --> 00:21:37,613 Speaker 3: want to sell it otherwise. 354 00:21:38,333 --> 00:21:41,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting scenario and we should be looking 355 00:21:41,213 --> 00:21:43,373 Speaker 2: across the Tasman to see what's going on because this 356 00:21:43,493 --> 00:21:46,533 Speaker 2: is an important decision that New Zealand cricket have to 357 00:21:46,573 --> 00:21:51,813 Speaker 2: make private investment buying equity and the lasting implemation implications. 358 00:21:52,573 --> 00:21:54,213 Speaker 2: They can't afford to get it wrong. I was just 359 00:21:54,253 --> 00:21:57,333 Speaker 2: reading Mel Farrell, who will know, a journalist who does 360 00:21:57,813 --> 00:22:02,213 Speaker 2: a lot of work around the cricketing world, had a 361 00:22:02,253 --> 00:22:05,653 Speaker 2: tweet interesting times for Australian cricket running at a loss 362 00:22:05,693 --> 00:22:07,733 Speaker 2: for several years and all the eggs are in the 363 00:22:07,773 --> 00:22:14,533 Speaker 2: home test BBL, WBBL Broadcast Basket, other domestic competitions all 364 00:22:14,613 --> 00:22:19,893 Speaker 2: but invisible. And Daniel Breedegan, another journalist, has written an 365 00:22:20,013 --> 00:22:22,373 Speaker 2: article about the same thing and one of the interesting 366 00:22:22,413 --> 00:22:25,933 Speaker 2: points he makes is estimates of the value of the 367 00:22:26,013 --> 00:22:31,893 Speaker 2: sale of these franchises in Australia based around the concept 368 00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:34,533 Speaker 2: of selling say forty nine percent stake in six of 369 00:22:34,573 --> 00:22:37,893 Speaker 2: the clubs and one hundred percent stake in one of 370 00:22:37,933 --> 00:22:40,773 Speaker 2: the other two Melbourne and Sydney. They've got two teams 371 00:22:40,773 --> 00:22:44,773 Speaker 2: in both those places. Have ranged between six hundred million 372 00:22:44,933 --> 00:22:48,253 Speaker 2: and eight hundred million. You know, that's the money they're 373 00:22:48,293 --> 00:22:52,493 Speaker 2: talking about now that that money is obscene when you 374 00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:54,053 Speaker 2: think about it in New Zealand terms. 375 00:22:53,933 --> 00:23:00,013 Speaker 3: Isn't it? It is? Well? Yeah, well where do New 376 00:23:00,093 --> 00:23:02,453 Speaker 3: Zealand Cricket make their money? For a start? Do they 377 00:23:02,493 --> 00:23:05,453 Speaker 3: make it basically from the ICC? Don't they there hand 378 00:23:05,493 --> 00:23:06,653 Speaker 3: out their percentage? 379 00:23:06,973 --> 00:23:07,173 Speaker 2: Yeah? 380 00:23:07,253 --> 00:23:11,853 Speaker 3: World championships have sponsorship, they'll have sponsorship. And one might 381 00:23:11,893 --> 00:23:15,613 Speaker 3: as well ask we've had the A n Z, you know, 382 00:23:16,573 --> 00:23:22,373 Speaker 3: consistent solid supporters of the game. I'm not sure you'd 383 00:23:22,373 --> 00:23:28,493 Speaker 3: want to be supporting as an A and Z. You know, 384 00:23:29,413 --> 00:23:32,493 Speaker 3: an Indian owned or who does own it? We don't 385 00:23:32,493 --> 00:23:36,773 Speaker 3: know who owns this tournament, but an Indian driven league, 386 00:23:37,333 --> 00:23:38,733 Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? 387 00:23:38,773 --> 00:23:43,133 Speaker 2: It seems to be the plan does what's that? Would 388 00:23:43,173 --> 00:23:44,013 Speaker 2: you want that I. 389 00:23:43,973 --> 00:23:47,573 Speaker 3: Mean, what did I mean? New Zealand Cricket get their 390 00:23:47,653 --> 00:23:51,173 Speaker 3: cash from those three main avenues plus the broadcasting of course, 391 00:23:51,853 --> 00:23:55,973 Speaker 3: and with that they fund all our local competitions planket 392 00:23:56,013 --> 00:24:00,533 Speaker 3: shield under nineteen, under seventeen, all that and two of 393 00:24:00,613 --> 00:24:01,933 Speaker 3: us going away. 394 00:24:02,053 --> 00:24:03,893 Speaker 2: That's right, that's what we want them, that's what is 395 00:24:03,933 --> 00:24:04,733 Speaker 2: best for the game. 396 00:24:05,733 --> 00:24:08,693 Speaker 3: YEP and A and Z come under the sponsorship of course, 397 00:24:08,813 --> 00:24:11,053 Speaker 3: but I'm not sure whether they'll be quite so keen 398 00:24:13,173 --> 00:24:17,973 Speaker 3: in sponsoring that they're coming from, you know. And what 399 00:24:18,013 --> 00:24:21,813 Speaker 3: about the time seeing we've mentioned broadcasting, what about the 400 00:24:21,853 --> 00:24:27,253 Speaker 3: time for eyeballs Indian eyeballs? You know, we've basically got 401 00:24:28,053 --> 00:24:31,533 Speaker 3: when are we going to play these games? If you 402 00:24:31,613 --> 00:24:34,333 Speaker 3: go at seven pm, that's eleven twenty in cold Cutter. 403 00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:37,453 Speaker 3: Now most people are at work. If you've got a 404 00:24:37,573 --> 00:24:41,653 Speaker 3: job at eleven twenty in the morning, if you want 405 00:24:41,653 --> 00:24:43,453 Speaker 3: to get them for their best time, of course, it's 406 00:24:43,493 --> 00:24:46,293 Speaker 3: after six when once they've got home that's two am 407 00:24:46,373 --> 00:24:50,533 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. So you kind of need lights. And 408 00:24:52,693 --> 00:24:55,653 Speaker 3: can you see in the South Island University of Otago 409 00:24:55,853 --> 00:24:59,693 Speaker 3: ground they don't have lights. Difficult to play a match there. 410 00:25:00,493 --> 00:25:04,613 Speaker 3: Then you've got. We've been downsizing the size of our 411 00:25:05,213 --> 00:25:09,453 Speaker 3: stadia throughout New Zealand for some time, and that's you know, 412 00:25:09,853 --> 00:25:13,493 Speaker 3: we've got Hagley, a wonderful ground, both in the university 413 00:25:13,533 --> 00:25:19,813 Speaker 3: ground as too lovely ground, intimate and banks and so on. 414 00:25:19,893 --> 00:25:22,773 Speaker 3: So about would you say nine thousand nine to ten 415 00:25:22,853 --> 00:25:25,493 Speaker 3: thousand is fair for a size of Hagley? 416 00:25:26,533 --> 00:25:28,773 Speaker 2: Pretty much? I would think. I mean the basin reservers 417 00:25:28,773 --> 00:25:31,213 Speaker 2: are the same, and that they used to get crowds 418 00:25:31,213 --> 00:25:33,093 Speaker 2: of about twelve thousand in the days when they were 419 00:25:33,133 --> 00:25:35,653 Speaker 2: having big numbers. But of course health and safety now 420 00:25:35,693 --> 00:25:38,893 Speaker 2: prevents any more than say around about eight or nine 421 00:25:38,933 --> 00:25:41,613 Speaker 2: thousand at many of those grounds, and you know, up 422 00:25:41,653 --> 00:25:45,333 Speaker 2: and down the country those have got even in Bay Oval. 423 00:25:46,373 --> 00:25:49,533 Speaker 2: You know there's a limitation. It's not a it's not 424 00:25:49,573 --> 00:25:51,893 Speaker 2: a ground where there are stands. You sit on the bank, 425 00:25:51,933 --> 00:25:54,493 Speaker 2: don't you say that? You know they have to limit 426 00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:59,413 Speaker 2: the numbers. I mean the other thing too, is you see. 427 00:25:59,213 --> 00:26:02,893 Speaker 3: What I mean though, Yeah, they are relying on bums 428 00:26:02,933 --> 00:26:07,613 Speaker 3: on seats as a component of money and fandom and 429 00:26:07,613 --> 00:26:11,493 Speaker 3: buying them dies and all that kind of stuff. I 430 00:26:12,013 --> 00:26:15,453 Speaker 3: just wonder how does it work, because there's only really 431 00:26:16,053 --> 00:26:19,533 Speaker 3: you could only you could play day games at University Oval. 432 00:26:19,813 --> 00:26:21,413 Speaker 3: I don't know how many would be there. It's not 433 00:26:21,453 --> 00:26:26,573 Speaker 3: a big ground one stand basically, isn't it. And then 434 00:26:26,693 --> 00:26:31,213 Speaker 3: you've got one stand at you know in christ Church 435 00:26:31,293 --> 00:26:34,373 Speaker 3: as well. That's not They're not big numbers compared to 436 00:26:34,413 --> 00:26:37,133 Speaker 3: even the big Bash. And if they are losing money, 437 00:26:38,133 --> 00:26:40,493 Speaker 3: I just I just because they always look quite big 438 00:26:40,533 --> 00:26:45,933 Speaker 3: crowds fifteen twenty twenty five thousand have yes, I just 439 00:26:46,013 --> 00:26:47,213 Speaker 3: wonder about some of that. 440 00:26:48,053 --> 00:26:51,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have atmosphere with the fans. There's 441 00:26:51,093 --> 00:26:52,773 Speaker 2: no point in playing these games in front of the 442 00:26:52,933 --> 00:26:56,413 Speaker 2: limited numbers. And you know that there's limited numbers in 443 00:26:56,453 --> 00:26:59,933 Speaker 2: this South African tour. That that is just one of 444 00:26:59,973 --> 00:27:02,933 Speaker 2: the things that they will have to be honing up on, 445 00:27:03,013 --> 00:27:05,293 Speaker 2: won't they when they make their decision. I mean, yeah, 446 00:27:05,293 --> 00:27:09,053 Speaker 2: well they had a beating this recent week, but we 447 00:27:09,133 --> 00:27:11,373 Speaker 2: still haven't heard anything about what's going to happen. 448 00:27:12,573 --> 00:27:14,813 Speaker 3: Well, that says quite a lot too to me. You 449 00:27:14,853 --> 00:27:16,733 Speaker 3: know a number of things, doesn't it how big this 450 00:27:16,853 --> 00:27:22,373 Speaker 3: decision is. But yeah, I mean even the players, what 451 00:27:22,413 --> 00:27:26,293 Speaker 3: sort of players are they going to attract to this competition? 452 00:27:26,653 --> 00:27:30,133 Speaker 3: The SA twenty is a competitor. The Big Bash is 453 00:27:30,133 --> 00:27:33,613 Speaker 3: a competitor both played during January and a little bit 454 00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:36,413 Speaker 3: of February, and then I think it might even hit 455 00:27:36,453 --> 00:27:42,933 Speaker 3: the start of the Dubai as well. But the South 456 00:27:42,973 --> 00:27:48,853 Speaker 3: Africa twenty has seemingly captured the better English players. You 457 00:27:48,933 --> 00:27:52,253 Speaker 3: need labor, don't you. You need good labor to make 458 00:27:52,333 --> 00:27:57,693 Speaker 3: these things work to attract players, and the Big Bash 459 00:27:57,693 --> 00:28:03,453 Speaker 3: has got some Pakistan players, you know, and they also 460 00:28:03,613 --> 00:28:06,973 Speaker 3: had what you might call second tier English players, you know, 461 00:28:07,093 --> 00:28:11,613 Speaker 3: Billings and co. But you know, the reason the Big 462 00:28:11,653 --> 00:28:14,173 Speaker 3: Bash works for me was that it was it's the 463 00:28:14,213 --> 00:28:18,653 Speaker 3: Australian component, isn't it. It's the local players that have 464 00:28:18,693 --> 00:28:22,693 Speaker 3: an impressive you know, they're quite high quality and competitive, 465 00:28:23,533 --> 00:28:28,693 Speaker 3: and so that works because of that. The other thing 466 00:28:28,733 --> 00:28:31,573 Speaker 3: I think that should be mentioned about that Big Bash 467 00:28:31,653 --> 00:28:35,493 Speaker 3: is that they are offering back in New Zealand because 468 00:28:35,493 --> 00:28:37,573 Speaker 3: they're still going to have to be a Super Smash, 469 00:28:38,413 --> 00:28:40,933 Speaker 3: even though the Indian think you need to have the 470 00:28:40,973 --> 00:28:45,813 Speaker 3: Super Smash going on underneath that to provide some player development, 471 00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:51,213 Speaker 3: and the Australians have offered three Australian players into each 472 00:28:51,373 --> 00:28:57,213 Speaker 3: of those Super Smash New Zealand sides as well, and 473 00:28:57,293 --> 00:29:00,213 Speaker 3: they've also taken not a big steak, but they've also 474 00:29:00,333 --> 00:29:03,613 Speaker 3: taken a small steak out of the Super into the 475 00:29:03,693 --> 00:29:08,533 Speaker 3: Super Smash as well. So it's not a huge out 476 00:29:08,533 --> 00:29:12,213 Speaker 3: of money, but that's there, as I suppose, a bit 477 00:29:12,253 --> 00:29:14,773 Speaker 3: of a token kind of thing to keep it going. 478 00:29:15,493 --> 00:29:19,853 Speaker 3: So I think those are quite decent kind of thoughts. 479 00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:25,253 Speaker 3: At least we've got some some idea, But when it 480 00:29:25,293 --> 00:29:27,813 Speaker 3: comes to the in z twenty, I don't think we 481 00:29:27,893 --> 00:29:33,213 Speaker 3: have much at all. We know how it's come about. 482 00:29:35,653 --> 00:29:38,973 Speaker 3: There's a bit of fractured stuff, there's some uncertain stuff, 483 00:29:39,013 --> 00:29:42,653 Speaker 3: there's some stuff going on behind in the background, let's 484 00:29:42,653 --> 00:29:49,493 Speaker 3: put it that way. And then we got six teams 485 00:29:50,933 --> 00:29:55,493 Speaker 3: New Zealand rugby probably our main game, working hard to 486 00:29:55,573 --> 00:29:59,533 Speaker 3: remain there. I think you'd probably say, but they can 487 00:29:59,573 --> 00:30:05,533 Speaker 3: only get five professional sides, they can't get six. Can't 488 00:30:05,533 --> 00:30:10,973 Speaker 3: hold that. We've talked about the timing of this. Certainly 489 00:30:11,013 --> 00:30:17,053 Speaker 3: this option wants to confirm a window of January and 490 00:30:17,133 --> 00:30:21,813 Speaker 3: ferry that's slightly different and sending some players over. We 491 00:30:21,893 --> 00:30:25,573 Speaker 3: could still, in other words, play test cricket with the 492 00:30:25,933 --> 00:30:29,333 Speaker 3: first option, but not with the second, not during January. 493 00:30:29,373 --> 00:30:32,813 Speaker 3: In a bit of February. So that's that's selling summer 494 00:30:33,253 --> 00:30:37,653 Speaker 3: to me in New Zealand and it consigns cricket to 495 00:30:37,693 --> 00:30:43,293 Speaker 3: those margins for tests. So but who was funding this words, 496 00:30:43,893 --> 00:30:45,293 Speaker 3: who owns this competition? 497 00:30:46,733 --> 00:30:51,573 Speaker 2: Well, that's the issue that I think we need to know. 498 00:30:51,973 --> 00:30:53,893 Speaker 2: And it seems very much as though it's going to 499 00:30:53,933 --> 00:31:00,293 Speaker 2: be an Indian franchise scenario, which is what is going 500 00:31:00,333 --> 00:31:04,253 Speaker 2: on and creating discussion in Australia. And you look at 501 00:31:04,253 --> 00:31:07,253 Speaker 2: the sides that they have in South Africa. Of course 502 00:31:07,253 --> 00:31:10,213 Speaker 2: they're named after the IPL sides, aren't they're owned by 503 00:31:10,253 --> 00:31:13,093 Speaker 2: the IPL franchises as such. 504 00:31:12,933 --> 00:31:16,133 Speaker 3: Yet six out of six all owned by the Indians. 505 00:31:16,573 --> 00:31:20,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure whether I'm for or against that. 506 00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:24,493 Speaker 2: What I'm for is what is best for the entire 507 00:31:24,573 --> 00:31:27,253 Speaker 2: New Zealand game. Not the matter of the rich getting 508 00:31:27,373 --> 00:31:30,213 Speaker 2: richer and the rest just taking the crumbs, which is 509 00:31:30,253 --> 00:31:32,853 Speaker 2: sometimes the case when you think about the money that's 510 00:31:32,893 --> 00:31:35,853 Speaker 2: being talked about in terms of franchise leagues. But what 511 00:31:36,053 --> 00:31:38,013 Speaker 2: is best for the New Zealand game. That's what New 512 00:31:38,093 --> 00:31:43,053 Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket has the responsibility to do. It happens, whatever 513 00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:47,253 Speaker 2: happens competition wise, they have to take a cut and 514 00:31:47,293 --> 00:31:49,813 Speaker 2: they have to approve it, don't they. 515 00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:54,293 Speaker 3: The other question over who runs it? We don't know 516 00:31:54,293 --> 00:31:56,813 Speaker 3: who owns it. We don't know who runs it. I mean, 517 00:31:56,893 --> 00:31:59,933 Speaker 3: is New Zealand Cricket part of this or will there 518 00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:00,853 Speaker 3: be another company? 519 00:32:02,093 --> 00:32:05,333 Speaker 2: Yes, have to be a part another company, wouldn't it? 520 00:32:05,653 --> 00:32:09,493 Speaker 3: Well? Is the resignation, for example, of Mills, is that 521 00:32:09,573 --> 00:32:12,493 Speaker 3: a sign that he might be part of that company? 522 00:32:12,893 --> 00:32:17,013 Speaker 3: That's just my mind working that way. May not? Oh 523 00:32:17,013 --> 00:32:20,453 Speaker 3: that's fair? And would some of the people on the 524 00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:23,733 Speaker 3: board be some of those other people involved, the Flemings 525 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:27,933 Speaker 3: and the Vottories as board members. We just don't know. Look, 526 00:32:27,973 --> 00:32:30,173 Speaker 3: I don't mind the money. I'm with you on that. 527 00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:33,853 Speaker 3: I don't mind that. But where does it go? That's 528 00:32:33,893 --> 00:32:36,653 Speaker 3: the issue, isn't it? Does it just go to Santner's 529 00:32:36,653 --> 00:32:40,093 Speaker 3: and Mitchell's and all the New Zealand top players. I'm 530 00:32:40,093 --> 00:32:44,493 Speaker 3: not quite so keen on that. We've talked about sponsorship 531 00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,813 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. Who's the broadcaster awards? I suppose it's 532 00:32:47,853 --> 00:32:48,573 Speaker 3: Sky is it? 533 00:32:49,413 --> 00:32:54,813 Speaker 2: Wow? That's another thing that hasn't been described or confirmed correct. 534 00:32:54,493 --> 00:32:56,493 Speaker 3: And we don't and we know that the time zones 535 00:32:56,493 --> 00:32:58,613 Speaker 3: are not going to be easy for the number of eyeballs, 536 00:32:59,213 --> 00:33:02,013 Speaker 3: So I don't know. And we've talked about where the 537 00:33:02,053 --> 00:33:06,213 Speaker 3: games will be played. South Island not so easy obviously, 538 00:33:06,533 --> 00:33:10,493 Speaker 3: Hamilton Wellington, which is a bit sterile sometimes Wellington, isn't it, 539 00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:13,373 Speaker 3: Let's be fair, But it's a stadium that can handle 540 00:33:13,413 --> 00:33:17,853 Speaker 3: bums on seats, and also Auckland obviously as well. That's 541 00:33:17,893 --> 00:33:20,613 Speaker 3: where the bulk of it would be played, wouldn't it. 542 00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:24,133 Speaker 3: That's all I can see. And then the other point, 543 00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:27,213 Speaker 3: my last, my last point would be about player development. 544 00:33:27,813 --> 00:33:29,933 Speaker 3: Isn't that That comes to the heart of what you 545 00:33:30,013 --> 00:33:33,733 Speaker 3: were saying. We need to have players who can be 546 00:33:33,813 --> 00:33:36,493 Speaker 3: the best they can be and given the opportunities to 547 00:33:36,533 --> 00:33:40,813 Speaker 3: become as good as they can in the tree twenty format. Now, 548 00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:44,333 Speaker 3: is it going to involve these teams? Christian Clark? Is 549 00:33:44,373 --> 00:33:48,013 Speaker 3: it going to evolve you mentioned O'Connor. I meant, you know, 550 00:33:48,093 --> 00:33:52,333 Speaker 3: a moment ago, Tim Robinson, the Namick Kelly's, the Muhammad Abbass, 551 00:33:52,453 --> 00:33:56,893 Speaker 3: the rich Hayes, those kinds of people, Lenox, you know 552 00:33:57,213 --> 00:34:01,053 Speaker 3: as it those So I think we'll see Bolt. I 553 00:34:01,093 --> 00:34:04,333 Speaker 3: think we'll see we'll see Trent Bolt. It's those kinds 554 00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:06,293 Speaker 3: of players. I think that are be going to be 555 00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:12,773 Speaker 3: coming down so loads of questions I have in my mind. 556 00:34:13,093 --> 00:34:17,053 Speaker 3: No answers yet, No, but it's a very big decision. 557 00:34:17,213 --> 00:34:20,213 Speaker 2: Yes indeed, and we're waiting for those answers. Surely they're 558 00:34:20,213 --> 00:34:22,333 Speaker 2: going to have to make a decision at some stage. 559 00:34:22,773 --> 00:34:25,933 Speaker 2: I can understand them not making it straight after their meeting. 560 00:34:26,973 --> 00:34:30,213 Speaker 2: The initial inference I got was it was sort of 561 00:34:30,213 --> 00:34:32,973 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty cut on the board, which makes it 562 00:34:33,013 --> 00:34:36,493 Speaker 2: difficult to get consensus. We've got to get everybody on 563 00:34:36,533 --> 00:34:38,973 Speaker 2: the same page. We know the page the players are on. 564 00:34:39,013 --> 00:34:41,653 Speaker 2: We've heard from Rutch and Ravender, We've heard from Daryn Mitchell, 565 00:34:41,653 --> 00:34:44,173 Speaker 2: We've heard from Tom Latham that they are in favor 566 00:34:44,253 --> 00:34:49,293 Speaker 2: of the New Zealand twenty competition. That tends to suggest 567 00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:54,613 Speaker 2: that they have already decided within the player ranks. There 568 00:34:54,653 --> 00:34:57,333 Speaker 2: was some talk on the news during the week about 569 00:34:57,413 --> 00:35:00,733 Speaker 2: a player strike if they don't get what they wanted. 570 00:35:01,093 --> 00:35:04,973 Speaker 2: I hope goodness doesn't occur. But it was a question 571 00:35:05,053 --> 00:35:08,173 Speaker 2: that was posed, and that was a posed was posed 572 00:35:08,413 --> 00:35:12,653 Speaker 2: to Susie Bates. So there's quite clear evidence that there's 573 00:35:13,013 --> 00:35:17,413 Speaker 2: women's cricket involved in this some way or another. It's 574 00:35:17,493 --> 00:35:19,893 Speaker 2: just hard to know. But you know, the last thing 575 00:35:19,933 --> 00:35:22,653 Speaker 2: we want is for talk of strike or any of those. 576 00:35:22,653 --> 00:35:26,013 Speaker 2: We want everybody on the same page. And it's a 577 00:35:26,053 --> 00:35:29,213 Speaker 2: matter of however the vote goes. You've got to accept it, 578 00:35:29,253 --> 00:35:31,893 Speaker 2: whether you're opposed to it, and move on and make 579 00:35:31,933 --> 00:35:33,853 Speaker 2: it work. Isn't that fair? 580 00:35:34,973 --> 00:35:36,893 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that is fair. I mean I don't. 581 00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,893 Speaker 3: It feels a bit like I once saw a cartoon 582 00:35:40,933 --> 00:35:43,013 Speaker 3: from Tom Scott with a guy holding a knife at 583 00:35:43,013 --> 00:35:45,133 Speaker 3: his neck. There's a little bit like that for the 584 00:35:45,173 --> 00:35:49,533 Speaker 3: players too, because if the ones who aren't, if they're 585 00:35:49,613 --> 00:35:54,613 Speaker 3: not in this in these teams, these six teams, and 586 00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:57,573 Speaker 3: they and New Zealand Cricket are slightly bypassed. What we'll 587 00:35:57,613 --> 00:36:01,773 Speaker 3: hear is of course in conjunction with New Zealand Cricket. 588 00:36:02,133 --> 00:36:05,493 Speaker 3: That's the sort of thing I think that will be released. 589 00:36:05,533 --> 00:36:07,853 Speaker 3: But how much will New Zealand Cricket be getting from this? 590 00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:11,533 Speaker 3: We don't know anything like that. A lot percentage, We 591 00:36:11,573 --> 00:36:15,533 Speaker 3: won't know anything about that. So how are they going 592 00:36:15,613 --> 00:36:19,213 Speaker 3: to fund the game? This is supposed to be the 593 00:36:19,213 --> 00:36:22,853 Speaker 3: main part of the money when they take January out. 594 00:36:22,693 --> 00:36:25,293 Speaker 2: Of action, that's what they're going to have to tell 595 00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:28,813 Speaker 2: us when they make the decision, and I guess that's 596 00:36:29,733 --> 00:36:32,333 Speaker 2: in the very near future. We'll have a chance to 597 00:36:32,373 --> 00:36:36,213 Speaker 2: discuss I'm sure the final decision at some stages. I say, 598 00:36:37,293 --> 00:36:40,133 Speaker 2: over seven days ago. They had a meeting, so it's 599 00:36:40,173 --> 00:36:44,253 Speaker 2: been discussed. They've had the report from the Lutes that 600 00:36:44,333 --> 00:36:48,173 Speaker 2: they were expecting, They've got all the material in front 601 00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:51,253 Speaker 2: of them. As we are led to believe, it's now 602 00:36:51,413 --> 00:36:55,533 Speaker 2: making the right decision and achieving some unanimity with it. 603 00:36:56,613 --> 00:36:59,773 Speaker 3: Big decision. We'll just wait to see what happens, and then, 604 00:36:59,813 --> 00:37:04,773 Speaker 3: as you say, it'll annoy some people, other people will 605 00:37:04,773 --> 00:37:07,493 Speaker 3: be very pleased, and let's see if it works. 606 00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:10,013 Speaker 2: Won't be the last time we're talking about this. 607 00:37:11,173 --> 00:37:13,133 Speaker 3: Will not? We'll go it won't. 608 00:37:13,693 --> 00:37:15,693 Speaker 2: We'll go away and give it some thought, and perhaps 609 00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:17,933 Speaker 2: next week we may know a little more and be 610 00:37:17,973 --> 00:37:21,213 Speaker 2: able to discuss the value and merits of what they are. Thanks, 611 00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:24,053 Speaker 2: thanks for your time, Keep working hard, enjoying. 612 00:37:23,813 --> 00:37:28,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, doing the harvest wads. It's a funny 613 00:37:28,173 --> 00:37:31,133 Speaker 3: thing when you start wabbling around because you're a bit tired. 614 00:37:31,213 --> 00:37:36,213 Speaker 3: But however, twelve hour shifts and from picton I'm us 615 00:37:36,493 --> 00:37:38,893 Speaker 3: two ten. My alarm goes off two am. 616 00:37:39,053 --> 00:37:39,213 Speaker 2: Two. 617 00:37:39,293 --> 00:37:42,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's it. It's busy, it's busy. It's 618 00:37:42,933 --> 00:37:43,653 Speaker 3: not for too long. 619 00:37:46,613 --> 00:37:47,573 Speaker 2: It would be next week. 620 00:37:48,293 --> 00:37:49,613 Speaker 3: Oh what's good Man. 621 00:37:53,453 --> 00:37:53,853 Speaker 2: Summer? 622 00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:03,613 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks B listen live on air 623 00:38:03,773 --> 00:38:06,493 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 624 00:38:06,573 --> 00:38:08,973 Speaker 1: go with our podcasts on radio