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Speaker 1: This IPCA report on mc skimming and the top dogs

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Speaker 1: at police. Instead of investigating a complaint from a young

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Speaker 1: woman whom mc skimming had an affair with, senior officers

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Speaker 1: instead believed mc skimming's version of events, arrested the woman

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Speaker 1: charged it with harassment. Costin knew about the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: He's on leave from his new big government job. Judith

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Speaker 1: Collins was asked if this is all corruption?

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Speaker 2: I think if it walks like a duck and it

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Speaker 2: quacks like a duck, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not looking good, is it.

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Speaker 1: Here's Chambers, But this.

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Speaker 2: Report speaks for itself. I have no doubt that people

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Speaker 2: will interpret the report in their own way. It's left

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Speaker 2: more than just police people down. It's let New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: down because this is disgraceful.

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Speaker 3: Baby.

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Speaker 1: Louise Nichols is with our Sexual violence Survivor and Advocates.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, Ryan. What did you think reading that?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, pretty pretty disgusted and saddened by the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, are you surprised?

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Speaker 3: I'd like to say yes, but as we know, you know,

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Speaker 3: you get dumb and dumber in all any organization. And

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Speaker 3: it wasn't a matter of if this would happen again.

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Speaker 3: It was a matter of.

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Speaker 1: When they're saying I didn't inspect a general and they

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Speaker 1: had kind of fixed things up. Do you think that's

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Speaker 1: a good move.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think so. To be fair, it just

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Speaker 3: if you've got somebody external in there with a better

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Speaker 3: insight and having that overlook of the whole organization keeping

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Speaker 3: everybody on their toes. Yeah, I think it's not a

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Speaker 3: bad idea.

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Speaker 1: You were an advisor to police for a wee while

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Speaker 1: there weren't you Are you still doing that job?

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Speaker 3: Well? What I do with police is trainings with the

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Speaker 3: adult sexual assault teams twice a year, and I worked

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Speaker 3: close with police supporting survivors going through the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: It's those frontline staff. Mandy's just text to show Ryan

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Speaker 1: how I feel for him. This whole thing is your

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Speaker 1: average hard working police officers. I mean, they'll be absolutely

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Speaker 1: raging about this.

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Speaker 3: Oh without a doubt. And it's and what Nick Skimming

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Speaker 3: and the others have done does not define our New

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Speaker 3: Zealand police. It does not at all. They're hard working.

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Speaker 3: They do a damn good job on the front line,

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Speaker 3: especially with our survivors of sexual violence and family violence.

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Speaker 1: You have much to do with Costa.

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Speaker 3: Not really.

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Speaker 1: No, what do you think of his partner all this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? See that that's where I get angry that you know,

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Speaker 3: the top cop allowed this to happen, and that to

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Speaker 3: me was sure. Yeah, no words for him to.

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Speaker 1: Be fair and he's got a he's sitting right now

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Speaker 1: as we speak on a five year contract with a

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Speaker 1: new government job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's got a lot to answer for around

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Speaker 3: this and he needs to front it.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time this morning. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with me Louise Nichols on the police and the IPCA report.

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