1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Kilda. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. The US 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: election race is heating up. A month ago, after the 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Republican National Convention and a failed assassination attempt, it seems 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: like Donald Trump would be unstoppable. Instead, US President Joe 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: Biden pulled out of the race, anointing his Vice president 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: Krmala Harris as his successor, and a triumphant Democratic National 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Convention showed a party prepared to hold onto the White House. 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: So what is the state of the race and their 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: parties today? On the Front Page, We're joined from Detroit 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: by CBS News campaign reporter Jake Rosen for the latest 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: on the election. 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: To watch this. 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: When we last spoke with you, Jack, immediately after the 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: attempted assassination of Donald Trump, it seems like that would 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: be the story of this election. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Hey, is that even still on people's minds now? 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: I think it certainly is. But I think the way 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: that the race has changed since then has been even 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: more unpredictable, maybe in ways than what happened that day 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: in Butler and when Donald Trump, you know, was shot 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: and they had the RNC, and there were chants of fight, fight, 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: fight through the crowd, and there were people putting ear 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: patches on their ears walking around their Republican National Convention, 26 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: kind of parroting the person that they love and support. 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: You know, what they. 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: Didn't see coming was the complete shift in what Democrats 29 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: were going to do. And I think that that's the 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: most telling thing of Joe Biden just a week after that, 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: stepping down off the ticket and putting in someone who 32 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: was able to really mobilize part of the base of 33 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party but also really flip the script on enthusiasm, 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: and it went from Democrats fighting with one arm behind 35 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: their back to being able to fight with two and 36 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: Vice President Harris was able to name a running mate too. So, 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: you know, a couple of things have happened in that time. 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: But I will say among the Republicans who I talk 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: to you, especially at some of these political events, that 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: day certainly comes into focus. For Democrats, they kind of 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: have to stay away from that because that's a very 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: galvanizing image, right of what happened that day and who's 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: to blame, And in an election cycle, it's very hard 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: to kind of make that an a political moment. 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you've been to a few of Trump's campaign rallies 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: and press events since that incident. 47 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: You're now in Detroit. Hey has much changed. 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: Certainly has in terms of security. I will say that 49 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: the events have mostly been inside. They are mostly heavily policed, 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 3: not that they weren't before, but it's a little bit. 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: You know, you see extra cops walking through the hallways. 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: If the events are outside or near kind of an 53 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: out grassy area like you saw that day in Butler, 54 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: they are just a little more vigil on, it looks like, 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: and you see them use drones, and you see them 56 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: use more just kind of mobile police working through the 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 3: crowd than you ever have before. But I'll also say 58 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: the former president's energy has also changed that day. He 59 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: went from very defiant to kind of having to stay 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: a little bit more on script. As they've kind of 61 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: face these changes in the campaign that we've talked about. 62 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: It's gone from you know, just being able to hold 63 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: the big fifteen to twenty thousand person event to because 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: he can't do everything he wants to do outside right now, 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: to either have those indoor events or like we've seen 66 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 3: them in the last two weeks, There's been a lot 67 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: of smaller messaging events on things of the economy or 68 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: military for manufacturing and things like that. 69 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: Tonight, former President Donald Trump holding his first outdoor event 70 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: in a battleground state since the attempt on his life, 71 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 4: speaking behind a large pain a bulletproof class is in position. 72 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 5: If Comrade Kamala wins this November, world War three is 73 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 5: virtually guaranteed to happen. Every American was safe for under 74 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 5: President Trump. In fact, the entire world was safer when 75 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 5: I sat behind that beautiful, resolute desk in the Oval Office. 76 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has shot up in the polls since taking 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: over the Democratic ticket from Joe Biden. 78 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: What would you put that success down to. 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: I think, like I said, it's a boost enthusiasm. She's 80 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: a new face on a party that now has a 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: younger candidate, even though it's only by fifteen years or so. 82 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 3: The addition of Kamala Harris also is a boost for 83 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: the base in terms of what the Democratic Party looks like. 84 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: You saw it at the DNC. It's people of color, 85 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: it's people of different incomes, right, And I think that 86 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: in this way it's kind of recapturing maybe some of 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: that magic that has what kind of alluded to the 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 3: Democratic natural convention, that reminds people a little bit of 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: the running as an Obama versus I think really what 90 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: we saw that Joe Biden was it was just the 91 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: diehards who were motivated or going out to those who 92 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: were enthusiastic vocally, especially because we have seen those ten 93 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: fits jump in some states, in some areas, and at 94 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: least among people of color and people who the Trump 95 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: campaign were targeting before all this point. 96 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: My mother never lost her call. 97 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 6: She was tough, courageous, and she taught mya me to 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 6: never complain about injustice, but do something about it. 99 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: Do something about. 100 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 7: This is a manifestation of the frustration within the Democratic Party. 101 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 7: We've got the signs calling for an immediate ceasepy off. 102 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 7: You can see the ranks of riot police here at 103 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 7: the ready. 104 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: Well, the DNC had a real celebratory nature to it. Hey, 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: watching all those speeches and cheering crowds from afar, it 106 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: seemed like a crowd really ready to go out and 107 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 2: fight for this election. Is that the momentum you're saying 108 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: with Harris and the Democrats at the moment, I. 109 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: Think so, and I think the difficult thing for the 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: Trump campaign is how do you stop or try to 111 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: message against just raw enthusiasts. In a lot of ways, 112 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: this feels like a biblial moment for just the Democratic 113 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: Party going forward that they were able to even though 114 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: it's very awkward circumstance wise of dumping Joe Biden, making 115 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: him kind of become a one term president, but also 116 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 3: focusing on the future at the same time, and trying 117 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: to bring all these young surrogates that we saw from 118 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: around the country and put them in vice presidential convention, 119 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: have them go around the country. I think the problem 120 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: for Republicans that so many of those people, unless they've 121 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 3: been Trump aligned, like you saw the primary, Aron DeSantis 122 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 3: and Nikki Hailey, a lot of those people really while 123 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: they did speak out their Republican National Convention, they are 124 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: not consistently working with Trump or in his orbit. 125 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: Over the waykend the third candidate for presidents, I suppose 126 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: Robert F. kN and the Junior dropped out of the 127 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: Rice and endorse Trump. Does that change much for his campaign? 128 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: It certainly could. According to our CBS new pulling, RFKA 129 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: probably had about two percent support nationwide, but in some 130 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: of these swing states. If you look at the polls, 131 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: it's effectively tied, and in an election that was just 132 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: decided by a couple hundred thousand votes in twenty twenty 133 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: and same in twenty sixteen. You know, that kind of 134 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: part of the political world where you don't trust with 135 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: the political party, but maybe you trust on on Trump 136 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: because of the things that RFK endorse him for the 137 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: quote strength on international affairs and taking on parts of 138 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: the government that you don't agree with. If that's kind 139 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: of where you lean, maybe not towards the environmental part 140 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: of it RFK and the fighting for the water and 141 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: fighting for green air and those things. It certainly could 142 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: sway the election, especially because he's while he's trying to 143 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: get off of the ballot to help Trump and some 144 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: of these states, he's also going to be stuck on 145 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: the ballot in some other states. 146 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: Looking to the months ahead, we still have a few 147 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: more key campaign events before the November election, the first 148 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: Harris Trump as well as Vance and Walls. The debates 149 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: coming up. Do you expect those will change things? 150 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think it'll certainly be a different environment than 151 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: what we saw at the first debate between President Biden 152 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: and Donald Trump. As we all know from that night, 153 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: that contrasts couldn't have been clearer. And I think seeing 154 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 3: a person of color across from Donald Trump as they 155 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: kind of argue about the rules and how things really 156 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: work over the course of that actual debate, I think 157 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: the reality is that there's a former prosecutor standing across 158 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: the stage from someone who is a felon in the 159 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: city of New York. Joe Biden did not and was 160 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: not able to make that case against him in that debate, 161 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: and I think it really would be incumbent on Kamala 162 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: Harris to do the same thing and more effectively than 163 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: really President Biden ever was able to. I think that's 164 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: just a start reality. And I think at the vice 165 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: presidential ticket, you have a guy like Tim Wall's football coach, 166 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: kind of a happy warrior right against j. D. Evans 167 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: who's trying to be more of a messenger on things 168 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 3: like the economy and immigration like Donald Trump really cannot 169 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: do on times and staying on message unless he kind 170 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: of had those two debates play up. 171 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 6: You know, you might not know it, but I haven't 172 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 6: given a lot of big speeches like this, but I 173 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 6: have given a lot of pep talks. 174 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: So let me finish with this team. It's the fourth quarter. 175 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: We're down a field. 176 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 7: Goal, but we're on offense and we've got the ball. 177 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 8: Why isn't Governor Waltz talking about Kamala Harris's record and 178 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 8: how she's made the lives of the American people better. 179 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 8: The answer is because he can't say that. But I 180 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 8: want Tim Waltz to articulate how his vice presidency is 181 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 8: going to make the lives of the American people better. 182 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: In terms of policies, Harris's facing criticism that her policy 183 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: platform remains pretty much undefined. 184 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: Is this an area of wakeness for her? 185 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: For sure? And the Trump campaign has been trying to 186 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: call this out as much as they can, making a 187 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: fake website even for what her campaign stands for and 188 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: how they want to frame it. But like we saw 189 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and twenty nineteen, there are ways to 190 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 3: beat on Trump by staying as vegue as possible on 191 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: things like immigration, staying as vague as possible on things 192 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: like stealing a couple of his economic ideas, and being 193 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: very broad about things like this no taxes on tips, 194 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: thing in which service workers do not have to pay 195 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: taxes on money that they're tipped. She pretty blatantly took 196 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: that idea. But again, this is she can kind of 197 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: choose and pick and choose what she wants to include 198 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: from President Biden's economic messaging plus also her own and 199 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: in him paign, where she only really has about seventy 200 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: seventy five days now deploying herself. It might be better 201 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: to stay broad so people can't specifically define it. 202 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: And as for Trump, he's still being further linked to 203 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: the Project twenty twenty five thing with each passing day. 204 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 6: Part of twenty twenty five is a collection of conservative 205 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 6: policies and a blueprint for the next conservative president, which 206 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 6: includes policies like a crackdown on abortion pills, the reinstatement 207 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 6: of the Trump era immigration bans, a ban on transgender 208 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 6: people serving in the military, and eliminating the Department of Education. 209 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 6: The handbook outlines an expansion of presidential power and plans 210 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 6: to fire as many as fifty thousand government workers to 211 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 6: be placed with conservatives, including a top to bottom overhaul 212 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 6: the Department of Justice and the FBI. 213 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: Is an overly conservative policy agenda going to be an 214 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: issue for the Republicans and what have you been hearing 215 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: on the ground there, especially in Detroit where you are 216 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: now about Project twenty twenty five. 217 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Is it still very much a talking point? 218 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly a Democratic talking point. And while the 219 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: Trump campaign has told reporters and even Heritage Foundation has 220 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: told me they have nothing to do with the Trump campaign, 221 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: the Trump campaign wants nothing to do with them. Now 222 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: that being said, there are some very clear links between 223 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: the group and the people who work there at this 224 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: think tank, Heritage Foundation, and who worked on this policy proposal. 225 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: But it's a very easy framework and it is a 226 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: snappy branding, right and we hear make America great again, 227 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: and that phrase will forever mean something in American history. 228 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: When you think about Project twenty twenty five, it sounds ominous, 229 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: It sounds you know, destructive in a lot of ways. 230 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 3: And when you're able to frame that in you know, 231 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: how it would impact women's bodies, how would impact illegal immigrants, 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: how would impact the economy. I think the Democrats really 233 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: made a point of that at the DNC, and you know, 234 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: whether people believe it or not, it's kind of become 235 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: a catchphrase that people can just throw out there to 236 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: label Donald Trump and this is a guy who's been 237 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: very hard to label despite the things that we know 238 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: that are true about him. 239 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: We're a little over two months away from election day 240 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: at this stage, JAG, is it too soon to start 241 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 2: making predictions? 242 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: I think so. If I could make predictions, you know, 243 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: I would probably be working in a different field. But 244 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: I think the reality is, according to our polling, the 245 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: races tied. It went back to a tie after Kamala 246 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: Harrison to the top of the ticket. And we haven't 247 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: really seen the full effect of Tim Wallas being on 248 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: the ticket and the DNC really being played in yet. 249 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 3: We also really haven't fully seen kind of just how 250 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 3: this new race looks for people like Donald Trump and 251 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: jd Vance going against a completely new set of faces 252 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: than they were going against before. And I think, again, 253 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: there's only so much time to capture exactly what this 254 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: race is about. But we've seen people like the black 255 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 3: woman community really start rowling around Kamala Harrison, pulling and 256 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: while Joe Biden was struggling, Kamala Harris is doing well. 257 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: You know, We've seen this kind of among some other 258 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 3: groups too, White women who are concerned about reproductive rights 259 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: rallying around Kamala Harris in a way that they were 260 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 3: not about Joe Biden. And so I think really, in 261 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: a lot of ways, what the Trump campaign is banking 262 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: on happening, which is Donald Trump being able to effectively 263 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: put Joe Biden down at the debate, but he would 264 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: stay on the top of the ticket. He would be 265 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: a quote weak candidate like they continue to describe them as. 266 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: But staying on the top of the ticket, right, just 267 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 3: hadn't happened and the whole race has kind of been 268 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: blown up and redefined at this point. 269 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Jake. 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