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Speaker 1: Now the government's more trouble around the race issues, as

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Speaker 1: you've just heard a moment ago, not only the rugby

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Speaker 1: this morning, but yesterday it was a business afuner or

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Speaker 1: of the MARII Roll. Graham Edgeler is a constitutional law

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Speaker 1: expert and is with us. Graham morning to you, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got some good clear law around this or not really?

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Speaker 2: Well, yes and no, the law isn't really complicated about this.

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Speaker 2: The question is what money actually is this? This is

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Speaker 2: the funnel or Commissioning Agency, which is private. It's not

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Speaker 2: part of the government and so can spend its own

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Speaker 2: money how it likes. The question is is it spending

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Speaker 2: its own money? And that's the question we don't have

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Speaker 2: the answer to.

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Speaker 1: Will we get to the bottom of that. Do you

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Speaker 1: think can public money become private money or whatever?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? Possibly, depending they've got a contract with various government

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Speaker 2: agencies to provide certain things, and they've got to use

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Speaker 2: their money for those things and not use it for

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Speaker 2: certain things. I don't know what those contracts say, but

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Speaker 2: hopefully that's what Time of Partaker is looking into. You

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Speaker 2: know what money is actually used to here? Because if

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Speaker 2: the answer is, well, this private organization is using its

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Speaker 2: own money, you know, to fund this. Well, if anyone's allowed.

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Speaker 1: To do that, sure, exactly. But if it's public money

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Speaker 1: Roku tit argues that Maori issues are not raised or

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Speaker 1: come to the four in a major party. Therefore you

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Speaker 1: should be on the political role of the Maori party.

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Speaker 1: That's electioneering, isn't it. No trying to convince somebody, it's

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Speaker 1: trying to convince somebody in the electoral process. Is not electioneering.

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Speaker 2: Or it is, but you're allowed to action there. You know,

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Speaker 2: people spend money, vote for me, vote for them, don't

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Speaker 2: vote for them all the time.

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Speaker 1: So what you're arguing is because they're private, they can

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Speaker 1: do it if they if they were a public entity

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Speaker 1: with public money. Government departments can't electioneer.

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Speaker 2: Correct, And so the question is whose money is this

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Speaker 2: and what agreements did they have? You know, we're using

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Speaker 2: this money to fund your vaccines or we're using this

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Speaker 2: money to fund an enrollment drive, you know, because the

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Speaker 2: Marii option thing closes with nearly three months until the

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Speaker 2: local elections and so at that point you can't switch

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Speaker 2: role anymore. And so when that happens, that the government,

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Speaker 2: the Electoral Commission's got something going on. Change your role

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Speaker 2: by ten July. I think it is three months before

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Speaker 2: the election.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we will find out within the contracts. The

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Speaker 1: detail will be in the contracts. Appreciate your expertise as always,

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Speaker 1: Graham Michelo, who's constitutional law expert.

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