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Speaker 1: So yesterday we heard from the former Prime Minister John Kee.

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Speaker 1: Have a listen.

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Speaker 2: There is some downsides for New Zealand. I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: to sugarcoat that, and they do concern me because we

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Speaker 2: need trade. But I think it won't all be the

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Speaker 2: won't all be negative. It won't will be one way traffic.

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Speaker 1: The downsides. He's talking about Trump's tariffs and we have

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Speaker 1: a number for you now from since partners could cost

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Speaker 1: our economy one point seven billion dollars every year. Nathan

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Speaker 1: Guy is with the Meat Industry Association. He's the chair.

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Speaker 1: He's currently up in Shanghai having meetings and attending an expo,

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Speaker 1: an export expo. Great to have you on the show, Nathan.

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Speaker 1: We had John Key on the shows today. You would

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Speaker 1: have heard he said, not sugar coating this. Tariffs will

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Speaker 1: be terrible for us. Do you agree this is a

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Speaker 1: big problem?

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, potentially. We just don't know at the moment. Ryan.

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Speaker 3: We all like certainty, but on the back of the

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Speaker 3: new Trump administration, I guess we're all a bit concerned.

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Speaker 3: But we're just going to have to breathe through it

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Speaker 3: over the next couple of months and see what happened

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Speaker 3: and hell of a lot of speculation. No one quite knows,

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Speaker 3: but certainly if there is a tariff of ten or

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Speaker 3: twenty percent, it will impact the primary sector pretty hard.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately it's going to hurt the US consumers even

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Speaker 3: harder because they're going to have to pay more for

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Speaker 3: the likes of red meat or burger patties that we produce.

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Speaker 1: Do you think because we produce food, we might be

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Speaker 1: in a better position because Trump might not want to

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Speaker 1: increase tariffs and therefore prices on food items.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping that because of our reputation that we can

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Speaker 3: keep our head down and hopefully miss a massive tariff implication.

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Speaker 3: I'm also mindful of the fact that they've had a

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Speaker 3: massive drought over there and the beef herd has been decimated.

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Speaker 3: It's going to take a couple of years to rebuild.

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Speaker 3: We're already seeing early indications are very strong pricing for

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Speaker 3: New Zealand grinding meat into the US. So if they

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Speaker 3: don't get it from US, they're going to have to

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Speaker 3: get it from somewhere else. I reckon our reputation is

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Speaker 3: going to be paramount up there, and it is. Our

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Speaker 3: reputation is really good. So here's hoping fingers and toes

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Speaker 3: cross that we can sneak through.

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Speaker 1: Our diplomats have got a big job in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: Is that would the top priority be some kind of

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Speaker 1: exemption like the Aussie's got with aluminium and steel.

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Speaker 3: That would be fantastic. Our ambassador up their banks has

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Speaker 3: got very close links to the Republican Party as I

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Speaker 3: understand it. Meat companies in New Zealand have got strong

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Speaker 3: links with customers through to the Republicans as well, So

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll try all of those different communication channels.

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Speaker 3: The relationship strong, so hopefully we can avoid it.

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Speaker 1: We're better off with banks than we would be with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd by the sounds of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't go there.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the estimated cost potential costs since partners reckons could

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Speaker 1: be one point seven six billion dollars to our exporters.

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Speaker 3: We're about eight billion of exports up in the US,

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Speaker 3: nearly three billion of red meat. It's very big market

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Speaker 3: for US. I don't know if it will be that much.

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Speaker 3: Once again, you know a lot of speculation. I think

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Speaker 3: we've just got to have cool heads, just work through it,

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Speaker 3: play the relationship card, honest brokers, and just see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Try and get as much into China, I suppose as

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Speaker 1: we can, which is why you're there. How fierst is competition.

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Speaker 3: Up here right now, very face, we had a very

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Speaker 3: successful FDA, We were the first, had the first move advantage.

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Speaker 3: There's forty two countries now that have got similar access

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Speaker 3: to what we've got. So we're pushing hard on our

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Speaker 3: Taste Pure Nature initiative, which is really selling our attributes

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Speaker 3: of grass fed high and nutrition and animals outdoors, all

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Speaker 3: of those fantastic things that our farmers do back in

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Speaker 3: enz world leading food safety standards, and there is a

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Speaker 3: few green shoots up here at the moment. We're seeing

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Speaker 3: that consumer spenders starting to tick up, so we're optimistic

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Speaker 3: that we can sell more into this market, but it's

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Speaker 3: still going to be a few headwinds.

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Speaker 1: Nathan, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Cheers, Ryan, thank you.

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