1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,027 Speaker 1: from newstalksb As. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:16,067 Speaker 2: We do this time every Sunday afternoon. It's a very 4 00:00:16,107 --> 00:00:19,747 Speaker 2: warm welcome. James mcconey, Good afternoon, Elliott. 5 00:00:19,827 --> 00:00:20,747 Speaker 3: How's it going mate? 6 00:00:20,827 --> 00:00:22,867 Speaker 2: You're right, I'm good, Thank you good, thank you. Good 7 00:00:22,907 --> 00:00:25,707 Speaker 2: to be back in New Zealand and watching some cricket. 8 00:00:25,707 --> 00:00:27,547 Speaker 2: It would be better if the black Caps could catch 9 00:00:28,307 --> 00:00:28,987 Speaker 2: Having said that. 10 00:00:30,027 --> 00:00:32,267 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they put out a few chances catches 11 00:00:32,307 --> 00:00:34,867 Speaker 3: with matches, as they say, but look, I think this 12 00:00:35,027 --> 00:00:37,907 Speaker 3: just shows that when you're a team that's regularly playing 13 00:00:38,667 --> 00:00:42,907 Speaker 3: Test cricket like England and seem to just have a 14 00:00:42,907 --> 00:00:46,787 Speaker 3: bit more composure and a confident when they're big guns 15 00:00:46,827 --> 00:00:50,067 Speaker 3: aren't firing. I mean Joe Root got a duck right, 16 00:00:50,147 --> 00:00:52,907 Speaker 3: so he was out after four balls, but Harry Brook 17 00:00:52,947 --> 00:00:54,787 Speaker 3: set them up with one hundred and seventy one for 18 00:00:55,227 --> 00:00:57,427 Speaker 3: an innings. That's really going to ensure that your team 19 00:00:57,507 --> 00:01:00,227 Speaker 3: is in a winning position. But you know, my main 20 00:01:00,427 --> 00:01:03,307 Speaker 3: issue I think with this was just maybe in the 21 00:01:03,347 --> 00:01:06,667 Speaker 3: selection I sort of felt that there were have been 22 00:01:06,747 --> 00:01:09,427 Speaker 3: room for a proper spinner. I would have liked to 23 00:01:09,467 --> 00:01:12,107 Speaker 3: have seen, you know, I know Mitch Stanton had a 24 00:01:12,187 --> 00:01:16,027 Speaker 3: side strain, but I still believe in and picking your 25 00:01:16,027 --> 00:01:19,587 Speaker 3: best spinner for even tests in New Zealand. And then 26 00:01:19,667 --> 00:01:24,347 Speaker 3: also you know Will Young the player of the series 27 00:01:24,387 --> 00:01:28,027 Speaker 3: in India and I can't get a gig. And I 28 00:01:28,107 --> 00:01:31,467 Speaker 3: just thought after you know, his average is thirty seven 29 00:01:31,547 --> 00:01:34,787 Speaker 3: for the calendar year, and I think someone like Devin 30 00:01:34,867 --> 00:01:37,707 Speaker 3: Conway who's been slipping away a little bit, his average 31 00:01:37,747 --> 00:01:40,987 Speaker 3: has gone from fifty down to thirty eight. It maybe 32 00:01:41,147 --> 00:01:43,547 Speaker 3: just keeps stay with the hot hands, stay with Bill Young. 33 00:01:44,107 --> 00:01:47,867 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think the team you look at and 34 00:01:47,907 --> 00:01:50,027 Speaker 2: at the moment you've got to go with the players 35 00:01:50,067 --> 00:01:52,267 Speaker 2: that are in form and the packs some players that 36 00:01:52,267 --> 00:01:54,147 Speaker 2: are worfe lly out of form rather than the ones that, 37 00:01:54,227 --> 00:01:55,387 Speaker 2: as you say, have the hot hand. 38 00:01:56,387 --> 00:01:59,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the tricky thing with batting is I mean, 39 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:01,667 Speaker 3: I know Conway has been in there is an open 40 00:02:01,747 --> 00:02:04,467 Speaker 3: Will Young has opened as well. Is that you know 41 00:02:04,507 --> 00:02:08,147 Speaker 3: it is it's a confidence game and taking that momentum 42 00:02:08,187 --> 00:02:10,787 Speaker 3: away from Mill Young, I think that's what's customers entire 43 00:02:11,547 --> 00:02:15,747 Speaker 3: or short test career. Knowing that he's probably that he 44 00:02:15,867 --> 00:02:18,067 Speaker 3: might get dropped the next the very next game, and 45 00:02:18,107 --> 00:02:21,707 Speaker 3: that's what's happened to it after a history making series 46 00:02:21,747 --> 00:02:25,427 Speaker 3: win in India. So there's just a few I guess 47 00:02:25,587 --> 00:02:28,947 Speaker 3: what you call it, like philosophical differences from me with 48 00:02:29,067 --> 00:02:30,307 Speaker 3: the way that we're picking our team. 49 00:02:30,627 --> 00:02:35,227 Speaker 2: Indeed, speaking of philoposophical differences, Scott Robertson is going to 50 00:02:35,227 --> 00:02:37,907 Speaker 2: go to the New Zealand Rugby Board again on the 51 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:42,387 Speaker 2: eligibility matter and see if maybe there's a door that 52 00:02:42,427 --> 00:02:45,387 Speaker 2: can open to players from abroad to play for the 53 00:02:45,387 --> 00:02:47,627 Speaker 2: All Blacks Again. What would you make of that? Whereabouts 54 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:48,707 Speaker 2: do you stand on the jams. 55 00:02:50,267 --> 00:02:52,667 Speaker 3: I don't think we can afford to pick players from overseas. 56 00:02:52,707 --> 00:02:54,867 Speaker 3: I just think that once the flood gates are opened, 57 00:02:54,947 --> 00:02:57,467 Speaker 3: I mean that he might be if there was a 58 00:02:57,507 --> 00:03:01,867 Speaker 3: special dispensation. Maybe there's that. But you know, if you 59 00:03:01,947 --> 00:03:04,827 Speaker 3: want Super Rugby and the NPC to survive, you can't 60 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:06,987 Speaker 3: just suddenly say we're picking from all around the world. 61 00:03:06,987 --> 00:03:10,107 Speaker 3: It's as simple as that. But we know it's all 62 00:03:10,107 --> 00:03:12,387 Speaker 3: about one person. It's all about Richie mo Wonga, right, 63 00:03:14,227 --> 00:03:19,187 Speaker 3: So for me, if you're chasing you know, Richie mo 64 00:03:19,187 --> 00:03:22,547 Speaker 3: Wonga from four years ago, I mean it's a bit 65 00:03:22,667 --> 00:03:25,467 Speaker 3: like trying to get back with you with the r X. 66 00:03:25,507 --> 00:03:28,387 Speaker 3: We've all done that and we you know, and it's 67 00:03:28,387 --> 00:03:30,827 Speaker 3: a risk and it doesn't always work. You know. It's 68 00:03:30,867 --> 00:03:33,387 Speaker 3: the same as rugby players, you know, there's a few 69 00:03:33,387 --> 00:03:35,787 Speaker 3: more miles on the clock, are a bit more stuck 70 00:03:35,787 --> 00:03:38,747 Speaker 3: in their ways. They're always complaining about clothes on the 71 00:03:38,747 --> 00:03:41,147 Speaker 3: floor and the amount of time is watching sport and 72 00:03:42,107 --> 00:03:44,947 Speaker 3: where to go for Christmas. Sorry, it's got triggered. 73 00:03:45,707 --> 00:03:48,507 Speaker 2: It feels like you just brought up some repressed memories 74 00:03:48,547 --> 00:03:50,667 Speaker 2: for you. Sorry, James, but you. 75 00:03:50,667 --> 00:03:53,027 Speaker 3: Know what it's like, are we going to get the 76 00:03:53,147 --> 00:03:54,507 Speaker 3: Is he going to get the player that he really 77 00:03:54,547 --> 00:03:58,227 Speaker 3: wants if he's going in for Wonga? And also I 78 00:03:58,267 --> 00:04:01,067 Speaker 3: just wonder whether what it says about New Zealand's development. 79 00:04:01,107 --> 00:04:03,507 Speaker 3: I think we've verse five has been a real blind 80 00:04:03,507 --> 00:04:06,067 Speaker 3: spot for us. I mean France they just chucked Ramos 81 00:04:06,067 --> 00:04:07,987 Speaker 3: and they're their fullback and they were fine, you know, 82 00:04:08,147 --> 00:04:11,667 Speaker 3: like where we have got a big mental blockover all 83 00:04:11,707 --> 00:04:17,467 Speaker 3: who plays first five and so much focus goes on it. 84 00:04:17,547 --> 00:04:21,587 Speaker 3: I actually personally think it's one of the more fun 85 00:04:21,667 --> 00:04:25,307 Speaker 3: and easy positions in rugby. And then we shouldn't you 86 00:04:25,347 --> 00:04:29,147 Speaker 3: shouldn't actually screous about it. You know, playing seemed to 87 00:04:29,307 --> 00:04:31,787 Speaker 3: be a lot scarier than just been tacking in and 88 00:04:31,867 --> 00:04:36,027 Speaker 3: playing first five. I think the way Ireland protected Johnny 89 00:04:36,027 --> 00:04:38,867 Speaker 3: Sexton for years there he could have played first five 90 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:42,027 Speaker 3: until he was forty eight, let alone you know thirty eight, 91 00:04:42,107 --> 00:04:46,987 Speaker 3: the way that they did that. So yeah, I'm not underperceived. 92 00:04:47,027 --> 00:04:50,187 Speaker 3: Join that yourself, Elliott, you're the rugby reporter, rugby editor. 93 00:04:50,307 --> 00:04:52,587 Speaker 2: Look, if they're going to do it, it needs to 94 00:04:52,627 --> 00:04:56,307 Speaker 2: be very very limited. It needs to be maybe one forward, 95 00:04:56,347 --> 00:04:58,427 Speaker 2: one back, having reached a certain number of caps, a 96 00:04:58,507 --> 00:05:01,747 Speaker 2: sort of a thanks you long service, appreciate it, and 97 00:05:02,307 --> 00:05:04,427 Speaker 2: we still want you any part of the team. I 98 00:05:04,427 --> 00:05:07,267 Speaker 2: wouldn't want it to become widespread. Broth think there are 99 00:05:07,507 --> 00:05:11,787 Speaker 2: certain limitations. You could cap on it and go okay, 100 00:05:11,827 --> 00:05:13,707 Speaker 2: this players given us all New Zealand. He deserves to 101 00:05:13,747 --> 00:05:15,987 Speaker 2: go make some yeen abroad and we still want a 102 00:05:16,067 --> 00:05:18,467 Speaker 2: part of the All Blacks. But if you can make 103 00:05:18,507 --> 00:05:24,067 Speaker 2: the restrictions and the qualifications for that pretty tight, I 104 00:05:24,107 --> 00:05:27,147 Speaker 2: would be open to it to an extent, but you 105 00:05:27,147 --> 00:05:32,067 Speaker 2: wouldn't want it to become wide spreads. Let's top football, James, 106 00:05:32,187 --> 00:05:34,587 Speaker 2: because Auckland f C have forgotten how to lose or 107 00:05:34,627 --> 00:05:35,227 Speaker 2: have never lost? 108 00:05:36,147 --> 00:05:39,027 Speaker 3: What's that? Sorry, the Auckland C. Yeah, I was just 109 00:05:39,027 --> 00:05:40,787 Speaker 3: before we move on there. I was going to say, 110 00:05:40,947 --> 00:05:43,267 Speaker 3: I think that's a good that's not a bad scheme. 111 00:05:43,307 --> 00:05:45,587 Speaker 3: If they could do it that way, then maybe that's 112 00:05:45,907 --> 00:05:47,707 Speaker 3: one way of selling it. But you know, the players 113 00:05:47,707 --> 00:05:49,947 Speaker 3: who make that sacrifice, then you've got to you know, 114 00:05:51,347 --> 00:05:53,707 Speaker 3: balance it out for them, otherwise there could be some 115 00:05:53,747 --> 00:05:57,347 Speaker 3: floodgates opening. But yes, Auckland C, they've just kept on 116 00:05:57,387 --> 00:06:00,787 Speaker 3: winning and kept on keeping it clean sheet. Alex Paulson 117 00:06:00,827 --> 00:06:04,867 Speaker 3: I heard that he was before the Kiwi Classic O 118 00:06:05,227 --> 00:06:08,867 Speaker 3: the derby in Phoenix that he was so stressed out 119 00:06:08,867 --> 00:06:11,267 Speaker 3: about that, you know, really fearful actually how he's going 120 00:06:11,307 --> 00:06:13,947 Speaker 3: to get treated down in Wellington. So he's been going 121 00:06:13,947 --> 00:06:17,427 Speaker 3: on this really emotional roller coaster playing for what is 122 00:06:17,667 --> 00:06:21,987 Speaker 3: essentially the arch nemesis of his of his beloved Phoenix, 123 00:06:22,027 --> 00:06:25,067 Speaker 3: and being almost the best player on the park and 124 00:06:25,107 --> 00:06:28,667 Speaker 3: when he's up against Phoenix again this weekend. So that's 125 00:06:28,987 --> 00:06:31,747 Speaker 3: a story within the story if you like. But really 126 00:06:31,787 --> 00:06:36,547 Speaker 3: just what they've done is they've recruited well Mordno from 127 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:42,067 Speaker 3: Columbia I think scored yesterday, so even their imports have 128 00:06:42,107 --> 00:06:44,907 Speaker 3: been not really well chosen, and they play a really 129 00:06:44,947 --> 00:06:47,347 Speaker 3: good style. The only thing that I think is missing 130 00:06:47,387 --> 00:06:50,347 Speaker 3: from them is creating a few more chances that are 131 00:06:50,427 --> 00:06:53,787 Speaker 3: clear cut, and it's a little bit frustrating. Sometimes they 132 00:06:53,787 --> 00:06:56,667 Speaker 3: played these inverted wingers where you know you got someone 133 00:06:56,667 --> 00:06:59,467 Speaker 3: on the left who's actually a right foot, so when 134 00:06:59,467 --> 00:07:02,107 Speaker 3: they cut back in they can shoot, but conversely it 135 00:07:02,147 --> 00:07:04,987 Speaker 3: means they don't necessarily cross the ball as well. So 136 00:07:05,547 --> 00:07:07,987 Speaker 3: when they can sort that out, then I think they'll 137 00:07:08,027 --> 00:07:09,347 Speaker 3: be scoring in bunches. 138 00:07:09,547 --> 00:07:11,547 Speaker 2: That Darby next week's got to be huge, isn't it? 139 00:07:11,547 --> 00:07:13,307 Speaker 2: At Mount Smart huge? 140 00:07:13,667 --> 00:07:17,867 Speaker 3: Yes, sell out, it's I think it's twenty six thousand, 141 00:07:17,907 --> 00:07:21,627 Speaker 3: they're saying, So it is a massive and I mean 142 00:07:22,307 --> 00:07:24,467 Speaker 3: all eyes on the goal is because last time the 143 00:07:24,467 --> 00:07:29,827 Speaker 3: Phoenix goalie pretty much lost it for the Knicks. And 144 00:07:29,867 --> 00:07:34,147 Speaker 3: then again Paulson, let's just see the stress levels he 145 00:07:34,227 --> 00:07:38,027 Speaker 3: must feel, I mean, in terms of emotions, the most 146 00:07:38,827 --> 00:07:42,067 Speaker 3: emotional game he's ever had and he's having to back 147 00:07:42,107 --> 00:07:43,507 Speaker 3: it up a few weeks later. 148 00:07:44,027 --> 00:07:46,667 Speaker 2: And just finally James tell me about this, what Tom 149 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:48,947 Speaker 2: Molshin and Hamish cure up to the Alta at all 150 00:07:48,947 --> 00:07:50,187 Speaker 2: Athletics Trust. I haven't heard of this. 151 00:07:51,227 --> 00:07:54,067 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is something that they're starting for young athletes. 152 00:07:54,067 --> 00:07:56,027 Speaker 3: They're trying to help with the funding. It's really tough, 153 00:07:56,027 --> 00:07:58,307 Speaker 3: I think for the athletes who are even getting to 154 00:07:58,307 --> 00:08:01,747 Speaker 3: towards Olympics or definite World Champs level to get any 155 00:08:01,827 --> 00:08:04,147 Speaker 3: kind of funding. They're always having to juggle jobs and 156 00:08:04,867 --> 00:08:08,227 Speaker 3: try and scrounge for spot ship. So this trust is 157 00:08:08,827 --> 00:08:10,627 Speaker 3: really there. They have a look online if you like 158 00:08:10,667 --> 00:08:14,787 Speaker 3: alt out or Athletics Trust dot com. It's really designed 159 00:08:14,867 --> 00:08:18,147 Speaker 3: to help the next generation of athletes and you get 160 00:08:18,147 --> 00:08:22,227 Speaker 3: the expertise of people like Hamishpare and Tom Walsho are 161 00:08:22,267 --> 00:08:25,787 Speaker 3: behind it to help you, you know, as mentors. So 162 00:08:25,867 --> 00:08:29,147 Speaker 3: when that sort of I was there at the launch 163 00:08:29,147 --> 00:08:33,587 Speaker 3: about a week ago and they just invited a few 164 00:08:34,027 --> 00:08:36,907 Speaker 3: key stakeholders and me. I don't know why I was there, 165 00:08:36,947 --> 00:08:41,907 Speaker 3: but it was a free lunch. Elliott, here we go. Yeah, 166 00:08:41,947 --> 00:08:43,987 Speaker 3: and no such thing I have to talk about on 167 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:47,667 Speaker 3: radio now. But no. I think what they're doing really 168 00:08:47,747 --> 00:08:51,067 Speaker 3: is trying to get away from the funding models that 169 00:08:51,067 --> 00:08:54,427 Speaker 3: don't work for everyone. For every Olympic medalist and athlete, 170 00:08:54,427 --> 00:08:56,347 Speaker 3: there is about four or five others who fall by 171 00:08:56,387 --> 00:09:00,907 Speaker 3: the wayside and sometimes never ever realize their potential. I 172 00:09:00,907 --> 00:09:03,347 Speaker 3: mean just a recent example might be Eddie and kittyre 173 00:09:03,947 --> 00:09:08,227 Speaker 3: the sprinter. So if you if you're interested in that 174 00:09:08,347 --> 00:09:11,187 Speaker 3: and you think that you'd like to, if you're keen 175 00:09:11,187 --> 00:09:15,667 Speaker 3: on your athletics and you think it's an important sport, 176 00:09:15,707 --> 00:09:18,147 Speaker 3: which I think it really is, and go to al 177 00:09:18,187 --> 00:09:21,307 Speaker 3: Turtleathletics trust dot com and find out how you can 178 00:09:21,347 --> 00:09:23,707 Speaker 3: donate and find out about their events. And in the 179 00:09:24,187 --> 00:09:26,907 Speaker 3: case of Hamish Curve, I think he's going to compete 180 00:09:26,907 --> 00:09:29,667 Speaker 3: at least twice over the summer. I mean, remember this 181 00:09:29,707 --> 00:09:32,867 Speaker 3: is the Olympic gold medalist high jumper, and I think 182 00:09:32,907 --> 00:09:36,307 Speaker 3: it'll be at the Brook's Gardens and Wanganui's so good, 183 00:09:36,307 --> 00:09:38,067 Speaker 3: oh Wanau, He's going to get a look at him. 184 00:09:38,307 --> 00:09:42,507 Speaker 3: And also the National Champs in Dunedan, so that's where 185 00:09:42,507 --> 00:09:44,827 Speaker 3: you'll get to see the great man himself. 186 00:09:44,947 --> 00:09:47,307 Speaker 2: Ah good. I mean you're obviously at started to France 187 00:09:47,387 --> 00:09:49,627 Speaker 2: last year with me at the World Cup commentating in 188 00:09:49,627 --> 00:09:51,387 Speaker 2: those games. I looked at you know, started to France 189 00:09:51,387 --> 00:09:53,467 Speaker 2: and I was there a couple of weeks back, and 190 00:09:53,507 --> 00:09:56,347 Speaker 2: they'll go That's where Hamish Kerr got the gold medal. 191 00:09:56,387 --> 00:09:57,707 Speaker 2: That's where he got it. I was and he did 192 00:09:57,747 --> 00:09:58,587 Speaker 2: the run around the track. 193 00:09:58,627 --> 00:10:02,067 Speaker 3: It was so good exactly, I know, and I didn't 194 00:10:02,067 --> 00:10:04,147 Speaker 3: even make it to that although I just think that 195 00:10:04,347 --> 00:10:07,867 Speaker 3: like that, that moment, it's just so exceptional. We've never 196 00:10:07,907 --> 00:10:10,027 Speaker 3: seen anything like that. I mean, you met Williams one 197 00:10:10,147 --> 00:10:12,627 Speaker 3: in the long jump, but you know, high jump in 198 00:10:12,667 --> 00:10:15,147 Speaker 3: the modern era is just that. We never see the 199 00:10:15,267 --> 00:10:18,747 Speaker 3: New Zealand flag, you know, anywhere close to the podium, 200 00:10:18,787 --> 00:10:21,067 Speaker 3: and now we've got this guy who's right at the top. 201 00:10:21,227 --> 00:10:24,987 Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's something special for the sport. And also 202 00:10:25,147 --> 00:10:28,707 Speaker 3: you can trace athletics back to a lot of top 203 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:32,387 Speaker 3: sports people here in New Zealand in their past. You 204 00:10:32,427 --> 00:10:35,707 Speaker 3: know there's Sunny Bills that involved you know, so many 205 00:10:35,787 --> 00:10:41,067 Speaker 3: of our rugby players, cricketers. Yep, we're great athletics and netball. 206 00:10:41,707 --> 00:10:43,707 Speaker 3: So this is the thing. I think it's still really 207 00:10:43,747 --> 00:10:47,667 Speaker 3: important and go out there and support that sport because 208 00:10:47,907 --> 00:10:50,707 Speaker 3: you know, this is where it's the building blocks and 209 00:10:50,747 --> 00:10:52,667 Speaker 3: we want to be part of the prestige sport. I 210 00:10:52,667 --> 00:10:56,187 Speaker 3: think of the Olympics the way we were in Paris absolutely. 211 00:10:56,307 --> 00:10:58,227 Speaker 2: James Laconey is always thank you very much for your 212 00:10:58,227 --> 00:11:00,427 Speaker 2: time on a Sunday afternoon. Appreciate it. 213 00:11:00,587 --> 00:11:01,387 Speaker 3: Cheers Elliott. 214 00:11:01,787 --> 00:11:03,787 Speaker 2: That is James mcconey joining us say as he does 215 00:11:03,787 --> 00:11:06,867 Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon here on News Talk ZB and 216 00:11:07,507 --> 00:11:08,387 Speaker 2: Weekend Sport. 217 00:11:08,907 --> 00:11:12,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 218 00:11:12,187 --> 00:11:15,507 Speaker 1: to News Talks at B weekends from midday, or follow 219 00:11:15,547 --> 00:11:17,147 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio