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Speaker 1: Here to do for c Ellen.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty police officers are under investigation for

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Speaker 2: faking thirty thousand breath tests. Jill Rogers is the acting

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Speaker 2: Deputy Commissioner for the Police and with us Hi, Jill Hi, how.

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Speaker 1: Are you am?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: How long a period were they doing this?

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Speaker 1: So we started the audit from the first to July

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and concluded it the thirtieth of September

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Speaker 1: this year, which basically is the period of the current

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Speaker 1: investment program. So that was the period that we audited.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And are you sure every single one of the

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Speaker 2: officers was doing it?

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Speaker 1: Of the one hundred and twenty that we've identified years, why

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Speaker 1: were they doing? Now we're working that's going to be

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Speaker 1: interesting as to what comes out of the employment investigation,

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Speaker 1: as they'll have their own individual investigations now to work

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Speaker 1: through to work out why they did it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I scratched my head, going what on earth were they thinking?

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Speaker 1: It appears that many of them were done on the

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Speaker 1: way to or from legitimate checkpoints, and we've got a

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Speaker 1: range of the one hundred and twenty. Some of them

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Speaker 1: have done small numbers some of them have done more numbers.

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Speaker 1: Some of them are spread over a short period of time,

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Speaker 1: and some of the other ones are spread over the

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Speaker 1: whole period period.

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Speaker 2: Is it because they wanted to increase the numbers that

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Speaker 2: they could say a number of breath tests so they

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Speaker 2: could say they had done that particular day. Is this

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Speaker 2: something as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Potentially it was. Yeah, potentially it was an individual thing

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Speaker 1: that they felt the need to contribute more to. But

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Speaker 1: you know, the thing is that exceeded the target anyway

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Speaker 1: with the legitimate testing that they've done and that we're

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Speaker 1: confident in the figures that have legitimately been tested, that

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Speaker 1: why they needed to add the extras on at the

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Speaker 1: start and end of the shift.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible that they were wagging and weren't actually

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Speaker 2: doing the breath testing in the first place, but just

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Speaker 2: faking it.

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Speaker 1: No, we've been able to go through and confirm that

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Speaker 1: they were on duty when they've been done.

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Speaker 2: How do you do it? How do you fake a

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Speaker 2: brief test?

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Speaker 1: So the machines that they are all assigned, they have

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Speaker 1: GPS technology in them and they're assigned to individual officers,

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Speaker 1: so they record where they are the time of the day.

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Speaker 1: All of that sort of data that are individually assigned

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Speaker 1: to the officer, and so we can see how many

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Speaker 1: tests are done. And that's where we built this algorithm

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Speaker 1: to be able to look at the data and say,

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Speaker 1: are there any anomalies in it? Are there any inconsistencies?

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Speaker 1: And that's how these ones came out that we could

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Speaker 1: see the algorithm that we built as indicated two tests

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Speaker 1: done within a ninety second period that was done at

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Speaker 1: over twenty kilometers to our house.

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Speaker 2: Do you do while they're traveling? Obviously, how do you

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Speaker 2: do a fake test?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so just putting the button And so this

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Speaker 1: is what the algorithm has shown up is that they

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Speaker 1: were moving. It's over what you would consider a legitimate

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Speaker 1: even a running speed. So they've been traveling while I've

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Speaker 1: done it, and that's how the algorithm has packed up consistently.

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Speaker 2: What's the worst case for these guys, is it a

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Speaker 2: sackable offense.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to work through the employment process with them.

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Speaker 1: So we've come up with a framework that looks at

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Speaker 1: the different levels. And of course we've got people across

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Speaker 1: the organization that have been packed up in this order,

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Speaker 1: and so we'll let that employment investigations take their place

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Speaker 1: and determine what those outcomes will be, but not flash Jill. Disappointing, Yeah, Jill,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Imagine, thanks very much for your time. Jill Rogers rather

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Speaker 2: acting Deputy Police Commissioner.

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