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Speaker 2: Hi, there god a good afternoon, Welcome into Weekend Sport

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Speaker 2: on News Talks. He'd be Sunday, September twenty eighth on

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine and a McDonald writing Shotgun, producing the show.

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Speaker 2: We're here till three. Bletter's Low Cup retained, Eden Park,

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Speaker 2: Fortress defended.

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Speaker 3: And the wall of these huffed and puffed, but they

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Speaker 3: can't quite flow. The Fortress down at Eden Park, the

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Speaker 3: Bletters low pup and All Black hands for another year

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Speaker 3: victory The Way of the All Black thirty three twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four not vintage, but certainly needed. Lots of talking points

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Speaker 2: for us to get stuck into. All Black's assistant coach

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Speaker 2: Thomas the Ellison standing by to chat with us former

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Speaker 2: All Blacks halfback and News Talks. He'd be expert analyst

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Speaker 2: and storm with us after one. Plenty of time for

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Speaker 2: your reaction as well. Lines open immediately and right across

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Speaker 2: the afternoon other matters around today, Nee Fisher Black, as

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Speaker 2: you've heard in our Sports news, has become the first

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Speaker 2: key we writer male or female to get on the

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Speaker 2: podium at the Road World Championships, second in the Elite

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Speaker 2: road Race and Rwanda going to put that into context

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Speaker 2: with Dell Woodford a bit later on this afternoon. The

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Speaker 2: Melbourne storman to the NRL Grand Final Brisbane against Penrith Tonight,

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Speaker 2: Mouth Water and clash for the right to face the

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Speaker 2: Storm next Sunday. Brad Walter going to preview that one

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Speaker 2: for us. And this Wednesday is the fiftieth anniversary of

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Speaker 2: boxing's Thriller in Manila, regarded by many as the greatest

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Speaker 2: prize fight of all time, the third and final professional

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Speaker 2: bout between Mhammad Ali and Joe Fraser for the heavyweight

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Speaker 2: championship of the World. One of the most prolific and

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Speaker 2: respected boxing writers and journal of all time. Thomas Houser

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Speaker 2: on that after two James mccony as usual on a

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Speaker 2: Sunday as well Live Sport. The New Zealand Under twenty

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Speaker 2: men's football side have just kicked off their World Cup

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Speaker 2: campaign against the hosts Chili. Going to keep you updated

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Speaker 2: on that match nil all after seven minutes round nine

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Speaker 2: of the MPC six B seven. They have plenty why

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Speaker 2: cut to win Todong up from five past two counties

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Speaker 2: Manecow hosting Manawatu and Pocacoe at the same time. Both

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Speaker 2: need to win to keep their slim Top eight chances alive.

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Speaker 2: But it is your show to contribute to. Oh eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty will get you throw on

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Speaker 2: the phone nine two ninety two via text you send

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Speaker 2: your emails to Jason at newstalkzb dot co dot ENZ

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Speaker 2: nine and a half past midday.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason hin News Talk zenb Now.

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Speaker 3: Jordie Perrett popped up the past, the quinter pie has,

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Speaker 3: the port has the port? How great camp?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Guards?

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Speaker 3: Get that right?

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Speaker 5: Thirty one twenty four.

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Speaker 2: That is the try that sealed victory for the All

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Speaker 2: Roy Guard or Black's assistant coach Tamat Ellison. As with us, Tomody,

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Speaker 2: thanks for your time this afternoon. What was your overriding

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Speaker 2: emotion at the final whistle last night.

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Speaker 6: You good question that grateful really, you know, like grateful

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Speaker 6: for the week, in the in the team thing and

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Speaker 6: coming together and you know, great to share the last

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Speaker 6: game here in his Zellain the were the betters of

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Speaker 2: What were the keys to your victory last night?

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Speaker 6: I think by the balance of the year. You know,

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Speaker 6: kind of to the strategy. They come back really well though,

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Speaker 6: they've got a greater tacking shape, and I think that

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Speaker 2: How much did you work on the aerial game after

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Speaker 6: I think we were we had intended to start really

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Speaker 6: Ice saying Will Jordan lost a lot so greasy on

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Speaker 6: the boys were really fearless and moving the ball and

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, they're pretty confident that throughout the game.

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Speaker 2: What was your assessment of the last ten minutes in

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Speaker 6: As it's a part of the game they do well,

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Speaker 6: when they do that. So we've spoken about that just

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Speaker 2: And at the end, well near the end, they score

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Speaker 6: I think yeah, obviously the leaders. I think the key

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Speaker 6: But to be really clear in the moment around what's required,

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Speaker 2: How influential and important has cam Roy Guard become to

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Speaker 6: Ah, he's he's a rugby player, Cameray Guard. Well, you know,

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Speaker 6: super impressive, just a real threat around the rucks. You know,

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned Will Jordan having a chat to him

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Speaker 2: the Leroy Carter, Caleb Clark, Will Jordan back three first

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Speaker 6: It was great to have taylb back. You know he's

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Speaker 6: with injuries and getting pressure. This week training was it's

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Speaker 6: a moment to have Eroni's singing their national infem as

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Speaker 6: well was getting better and better and Will Jordan's as

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Speaker 2: So how will you now go about Tomat finding consistency,

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Speaker 2: the consistency that's been a bit elusive during the Rugby

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Speaker 2: Championship and go to Perth and win there as well.

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Speaker 6: I think that game being really clear around the strategy

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Speaker 6: and having a week where we're really connected at Fitts

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Speaker 6: go away as a group again now and be clear

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Speaker 6: what parts of the game that we really need to

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Speaker 6: just as honest different areas last night. If we need

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Speaker 6: get our reviews done and look forward to another mess

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Speaker 6: of game up then through.

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Speaker 2: How top was the aftermath of the Springboks taste in Wellington?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the challenges, you know, everyone looks at

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Speaker 6: the individual areas. It's part of the role, you know,

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Speaker 6: always going to be tough. I think that the key

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Speaker 6: part now is making sure we keep driving those standards

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Speaker 6: regardless of outcome and performances that have fall in love

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Speaker 6: with the process. It's a game. We have a good

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Speaker 6: break now, I'm sure even you know it has the

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Speaker 6: morning with their families and then be real clear on

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Speaker 6: a lot of next week and.

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Speaker 2: A couple of injury problems. Ethan de Grut went off

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Speaker 2: won't be there next week. Boden Barrett was in a

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Speaker 2: sling for an ac joint injury. Are you unlikely to

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Speaker 2: be without him? Well, are you likely to be without

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Speaker 2: him next week? Body?

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Speaker 6: I'm sure that kind of I think the midicles will

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Speaker 6: wrap up of who's coming and who's not, and it's

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Speaker 6: physicality of the game and health quick injury scamp and

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Speaker 6: so again it's importantly we stay really connected and it's

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Speaker 2: Congrats on last night retaining that bled us slower. It

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Speaker 2: looked like they were filling it up last night. A

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Speaker 2: couple of photos I saw seemed like it got filled up,

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Speaker 2: okay last night in the sheds.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think less part less part of it as well.

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Speaker 6: Funny love it.

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Speaker 2: Congrats again, thanks for your time afternoon, safe travels.

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Speaker 6: Dounety yeah, thank you best funny thanks.

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Speaker 2: Mate, That said Tumty Ellison, assistant coach of the All

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Speaker 2: Black Sure chance to react now, I eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty anything you want to pick up on, anything

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Speaker 2: you heard there from Timothy Ellison, anything that has jumped

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Speaker 2: to the front of your mind when you've thought about

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Speaker 2: this game this morning. Lines open for your thoughts. I

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighteen.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: First, thing's first, that New Zealand national anthem o Ronnie

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Speaker 2: Clark absolutely nailing it. His son, Caleb only realizing halfway

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Speaker 2: when he did realize who it was, finding himself unable

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Speaker 2: to control his emotions. Pretty special stuff to see Ronnie

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Speaker 2: Clark just belting out the anthem in such magnificent fashion

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Speaker 2: before the game, and then great to see Caleb Clark

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Speaker 2: back out there on the grass for his first test

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Speaker 2: of the year and early try to sett all his

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Speaker 2: nerves set our nerves. A bit shame to see him

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Speaker 2: but hopefully it is not too serious. Cam Royguard, My goodness,

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Speaker 2: how the All Blacks have missed him. His performance last

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Speaker 2: night was just utterly superb. The way he clears the ball,

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Speaker 2: his robust effectiveness at rucktime, the ability to snipe close

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Speaker 2: a penalty and take off and catch the opposition napping.

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Speaker 2: His kicking game. He maybe wasn't quite on the button

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Speaker 10: Oh he's what a game?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 11: You know, he's just the men, you know, the magic

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Speaker 2: Twelve to twenty four News talk to her beat It's

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vane and GJ. Gunner Homes New

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Speaker 3: All left hand site all black swinging through hands, looking

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Speaker 3: for the opportunity away and left Wing Tuxlin's like handler

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Speaker 3: fl left Wing bought up back in the side Dancings,

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Speaker 3: the Anthem get the first try, five.

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Speaker 2: Mila dancings, The Anthem gets the first try, and nice

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Speaker 2: Just before we go back to the lines, Pinty, can

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Well, for a start, Yeah, what a tear jerkin moment

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Speaker 13: that was with old Caleb Clarke well right, and his

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Speaker 2: Well I didn't know either. Funny, I wasn't absolutely shocked

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Speaker 2: But I didn't know he could belt out an anthem

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Speaker 13: Phil, Yeah, no, I needed that.

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Speaker 13: Yes, well I'll get I'll try and get through it.

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Speaker 13: on by example on the field with his own performances

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Speaker 13: as well, which is a key thing for a leader too.

433
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Speaker 13: Carter Leroy Carter fantastic and showing great defense at capabilities

434
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Speaker 13: as well, and just yeah, really good. And the fellow

435
00:22:06,627 --> 00:22:08,907
Speaker 13: I keep forgetting his name that came on the wing

436
00:22:09,067 --> 00:22:12,707
Speaker 13: to replace Caleb Clark, I think I think he's got

437
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Speaker 13: to be there too, because he was fantastic when he

438
00:22:14,827 --> 00:22:16,827
Speaker 13: came on as well, even though that wing was in

439
00:22:16,907 --> 00:22:19,627
Speaker 13: his normal position, but shows he can play it and

440
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Speaker 13: maybe they can put him in a center or something

441
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Speaker 13: like you said, But he was really good, well he

442
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Speaker 13: was on the field, So yeah, that's my thought's piny, it's.

443
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Speaker 2: A good summary, Phil, Thanks mate. Yeah, quintapies Man who

444
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Speaker 2: came on off the bench to replace Caleb Clark on

445
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Speaker 2: the wing that already of course, brought Damien McKenzie on

446
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Speaker 2: to replace Bowden Barrett after his injury which looked like

447
00:22:40,787 --> 00:22:45,307
Speaker 2: a really innocuous incident when he went back to force

448
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Speaker 2: the ball for a goal line dropout and all of

449
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Speaker 2: a sudden he's clutching his shoulder and the doctor or

450
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Speaker 2: one of the sideline physios medics tom just after halftime

451
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Speaker 2: that it was an ac joint. And have just actually

452
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Speaker 2: heard from our rugby editor Elliot Smith, who's been out

453
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Speaker 2: at the airport with the All Blacks. Boden Barrett will

454
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Speaker 2: not try to Perth. Ethan Groot will not travel to Perth,

455
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Speaker 2: and that's I think we knew that because he failed

456
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Speaker 2: as Hia. So that's the mandatory twelve day stand doown.

457
00:23:18,387 --> 00:23:21,547
Speaker 2: So Ethan to group won't be going, Bodhen Barrett won't

458
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Speaker 2: be going. Tavita Muffelel has been called in to cover

459
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Speaker 2: in the front row too. Paul Vi, Scott Barrett, and

460
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Speaker 2: Caleb Clark are all traveling to Perth. So Caleb Clark

461
00:23:33,587 --> 00:23:35,707
Speaker 2: had that ankle injury which we just mentioned, that's the

462
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Speaker 2: reason he came off and kuldn't Apai came on last night,

463
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Speaker 2: but that's clearly okay. Scott Barrett has also clearly recovered

464
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Speaker 2: from the shoulder injury which kept him out of this one.

465
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Speaker 2: And to Vite, he had a bit of a tweak

466
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Speaker 2: on his knee, so that was his issue last night

467
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Speaker 2: and I remember seeing it happening. It's amazing what you

468
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Speaker 2: pick up down at grand level. I'm so lucky to

469
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Speaker 2: get the chance to do our sideline commentary on z B.

470
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Speaker 2: The stuff you pick up and you just see guys

471
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Speaker 2: and just the wincing on their faces and say yes,

472
00:24:06,947 --> 00:24:08,987
Speaker 2: but two polite Scott, Barrett, Kay look Clarke all traveling,

473
00:24:09,067 --> 00:24:12,507
Speaker 2: no boat in Barrett, no Ethan de Groot. So Damien

474
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Speaker 2: McKenzie does he get the run at first five?

475
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Speaker 7: Or or.

476
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Speaker 2: I don't know, do they give Ruben Love a go?

477
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Speaker 2: Or is that just the Hurricanes bias in me? I

478
00:24:21,387 --> 00:24:24,507
Speaker 2: don't know Whyatt Crockett has texted the show always listening

479
00:24:24,587 --> 00:24:26,787
Speaker 2: in white from the top of the South, he says,

480
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Speaker 2: And you've got to believe what an all black and

481
00:24:29,947 --> 00:24:33,427
Speaker 2: a crusader of his pedigree, says camin Ardi. Great, But

482
00:24:33,507 --> 00:24:36,347
Speaker 2: how good was our bench? They all came on, lifted

483
00:24:36,387 --> 00:24:38,747
Speaker 2: the performance. We've often struggled in the second half. This week.

484
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Speaker 2: We came home very strongly White. Thank you, mate, It's

485
00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,787
Speaker 2: always good to hear from you. I hope you're keeping

486
00:24:43,827 --> 00:24:47,107
Speaker 2: well and of course you're right. The bench did a

487
00:24:47,187 --> 00:24:51,947
Speaker 2: brilliant job, Quinta Pia being the most obvious in the

488
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Speaker 2: back line anyway, and I think the front row reserves

489
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Speaker 2: also did a good job.

490
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Speaker 14: Mark I mate, lucky you know I was selected Piney.

491
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Speaker 14: I think the Hurricanes would make up most of the

492
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Speaker 14: squad somehow, No, I think.

493
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Speaker 2: You're probably right. I think you're probably right. Ma, I'd be,

494
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Speaker 2: I'd be, I'd be certainly, i'd be certainly, you know,

495
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Speaker 2: mounting a case for them. No, I think they'll probably

496
00:25:12,507 --> 00:25:15,067
Speaker 2: play Damien McKenzie next week, and you know, at first five,

497
00:25:15,107 --> 00:25:17,707
Speaker 2: I think that he's the He's the backup first five,

498
00:25:17,827 --> 00:25:22,507
Speaker 2: isn't he? But OK, yeah, I know, I know, yeah,

499
00:25:22,627 --> 00:25:24,787
Speaker 2: I know, another point mate, But sorry, I just I

500
00:25:24,867 --> 00:25:26,707
Speaker 2: just wanted to say about Damian McKinnie. I thought when

501
00:25:27,147 --> 00:25:29,067
Speaker 2: Boden Barrett went off last night, that was around the

502
00:25:29,107 --> 00:25:30,747
Speaker 2: half hour mark, that was just when things went a

503
00:25:30,787 --> 00:25:34,027
Speaker 2: little bit sort of well skill worth. That's when Australia

504
00:25:34,067 --> 00:25:35,307
Speaker 2: got those two tries at the back end of the

505
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Speaker 2: first half. I just thought it was, Yeah, the two

506
00:25:37,867 --> 00:25:39,987
Speaker 2: things correlated to me anyway, Sorry to cut you off.

507
00:25:41,067 --> 00:25:42,867
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think if Bothing had stayed on, I think

508
00:25:42,907 --> 00:25:45,707
Speaker 14: they'd probably honestly would have won that game quite comfortably.

509
00:25:46,547 --> 00:25:48,267
Speaker 14: I think Love's going to get a chance, and he's

510
00:25:48,267 --> 00:25:51,347
Speaker 14: got to get some experience, probably at top level before

511
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Speaker 14: the next World Cup, because I mean, you know, we

512
00:25:53,587 --> 00:25:55,627
Speaker 14: only have to look at as far as Beaver coming

513
00:25:55,667 --> 00:25:57,747
Speaker 14: on after go and White baiting to know that you know,

514
00:25:58,467 --> 00:26:01,147
Speaker 14: the number tens could fall by the wayside pretty quickly.

515
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Speaker 14: And he is a quality player. I mean love, he

516
00:26:03,627 --> 00:26:05,667
Speaker 14: is going to be a future All Black. I guess

517
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Speaker 14: maybe we take a bit longer than cam Roy Guard

518
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Speaker 14: but I mean, yeah, I think cam Roygards is sort

519
00:26:10,427 --> 00:26:13,587
Speaker 14: of generation of players. I was going to throw a

520
00:26:13,627 --> 00:26:16,267
Speaker 14: bit of a spinner in the words, I think Australia

521
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Speaker 14: need a proper number teen. And I was just wondering

522
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Speaker 14: whether you know they're getting these players Mark and the

523
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Speaker 14: one near to Wise's coming over and I mean, do

524
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Speaker 14: you think they could look to rugby league and get

525
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Speaker 14: like a quality number ten and maybe put some stocks

526
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Speaker 14: into their forwards. I mean, to me, this next Rugby

527
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Speaker 14: World Cup is really important for this part of the

528
00:26:36,147 --> 00:26:39,507
Speaker 14: world that Australia does really well to get the players

529
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Speaker 14: coming through over there and to sort of make our

530
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Speaker 14: Super rugby competition competitive. And I was just wondering whether

531
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Speaker 14: you think someone I don't know, I'm just I know

532
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Speaker 14: earlier in the year it came about that Clary was

533
00:26:52,867 --> 00:26:55,507
Speaker 14: sort of they talked about him going right, but do

534
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Speaker 14: you think the player of his caliber could could transition

535
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Speaker 14: to league? I mean, I know Benji Marshall was a disaster,

536
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Speaker 14: but I think that's probably more to do with Benji

537
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Speaker 14: Marshall converting a player from from rugby league.

538
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they think Clary could. I think he's superhuman.

539
00:27:10,707 --> 00:27:13,507
Speaker 2: I think he would be one who definitely could. And

540
00:27:14,067 --> 00:27:16,067
Speaker 2: then you start thinking about others who have given it

541
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Speaker 2: a go and in different positions. Admittedly, Roger to I Vasaschek,

542
00:27:21,147 --> 00:27:24,387
Speaker 2: I think you'd probably say that was a failed experiment.

543
00:27:24,667 --> 00:27:27,467
Speaker 2: I think rugby league is his natural home. Benji Marshall.

544
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Speaker 2: You mentioned brad Thorn though came across and he was

545
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Speaker 2: very very good at rugby union, a World Cup winner

546
00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:36,387
Speaker 2: of course, so there is Yeah, it would have to

547
00:27:36,427 --> 00:27:38,587
Speaker 2: be a key we guy mark and I'm just wondering

548
00:27:38,667 --> 00:27:42,227
Speaker 2: who that would be. You know, maybe there are suggestions

549
00:27:42,267 --> 00:27:42,587
Speaker 2: out there.

550
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Speaker 14: I'm thinking for the Australians, like bringing players into their squad,

551
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Speaker 14: like like Payne Hears, you know, players like that to

552
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Speaker 14: bolster their boards or you know, as you say Cleary,

553
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Speaker 14: I mean, if you could get Cleary to come over.

554
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Speaker 14: And I mean I think rugby in Australia has got

555
00:27:59,827 --> 00:28:02,107
Speaker 14: a bit of money at the moment. I mean I

556
00:28:02,227 --> 00:28:04,427
Speaker 14: think they really need to invest it because they just

557
00:28:04,507 --> 00:28:06,547
Speaker 14: haven't got the debts. Let's face that you saw or

558
00:28:06,907 --> 00:28:09,187
Speaker 14: last night with James A gone On playing number ten,

559
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Speaker 14: it just it just didn't work. And I mean if

560
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Speaker 14: they had a player like Richie Muwana or Boden Bear

561
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Speaker 14: at the number ten, it would have been probably a

562
00:28:16,547 --> 00:28:19,627
Speaker 14: completely different game last night, I reckon. And I think

563
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Speaker 14: in a rugby team you need a number ten. It's

564
00:28:22,547 --> 00:28:25,227
Speaker 14: not like ragby league. You needed a good number seven

565
00:28:25,667 --> 00:28:27,867
Speaker 14: to lead your team around and make decisions. And I

566
00:28:28,027 --> 00:28:29,267
Speaker 14: just don't think Australia have got.

567
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sorr, I misunderstood your mark. I thought you were

568
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Speaker 2: talking about the New Zealand side. Yeah no, I think, yeah, no, no,

569
00:28:34,587 --> 00:28:36,867
Speaker 2: you're right. I mean, and James O'Connor I think, probably

570
00:28:36,947 --> 00:28:39,547
Speaker 2: by his own admission, had an unhappy night last night.

571
00:28:39,627 --> 00:28:41,067
Speaker 2: He made a couple of aras, he missed touched with

572
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Speaker 2: a penalty which was actually a bit of a turning

573
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Speaker 2: point really. It led to a couple of penalties against

574
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Speaker 2: Australia and they marched down the other end. So yeah, no,

575
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Speaker 2: they may well look at that. I know they spent

576
00:28:50,427 --> 00:28:54,547
Speaker 2: a lot of money on suit earity and you know

577
00:28:55,067 --> 00:28:58,107
Speaker 2: that seems to be bearing fruit. Because I think he's

578
00:28:58,427 --> 00:29:01,627
Speaker 2: he's already made an impact in the fifteen man code,

579
00:29:01,667 --> 00:29:03,227
Speaker 2: so yeah, they may well be, and they've got a

580
00:29:03,267 --> 00:29:03,827
Speaker 2: couple of years.

581
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Speaker 7: You know.

582
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Speaker 2: I think they're building quite a nice side though, Mark.

583
00:29:06,947 --> 00:29:09,347
Speaker 2: You know I I they ran the your Blacks close

584
00:29:09,467 --> 00:29:12,307
Speaker 2: last night. They may well win the game in Perth.

585
00:29:12,387 --> 00:29:14,547
Speaker 2: Who knows. They are starting to build and it was

586
00:29:14,547 --> 00:29:17,347
Speaker 2: a low base when Joshmitt took over from the shambles

587
00:29:17,347 --> 00:29:20,627
Speaker 2: of Eddie Jones and the wreckage he left behind. But

588
00:29:20,707 --> 00:29:23,987
Speaker 2: he's done a very very good job Josement with with

589
00:29:24,067 --> 00:29:27,707
Speaker 2: that team as good on you, Mark, good to chat

590
00:29:27,747 --> 00:29:29,547
Speaker 2: to you, mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

591
00:29:29,627 --> 00:29:33,667
Speaker 2: is our number. There's a text before about the refereeing.

592
00:29:33,827 --> 00:29:35,187
Speaker 2: Now let me just see if I can find it

593
00:29:35,227 --> 00:29:37,627
Speaker 2: in amongst all of the other ones that have come

594
00:29:37,667 --> 00:29:39,227
Speaker 2: there ever ago. It's from Mike Jason. You need a

595
00:29:39,307 --> 00:29:41,827
Speaker 2: new pair of glasses if you think the referee was okay.

596
00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:44,587
Speaker 2: In my opinion, he ruined the game and was one

597
00:29:44,627 --> 00:29:47,267
Speaker 2: of the worst performances I've seen for a long time.

598
00:29:47,347 --> 00:29:50,027
Speaker 2: He made a series of mistakes that cost Australia. It

599
00:29:50,067 --> 00:29:52,707
Speaker 2: didn't affect the result, but could have as soon as

600
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Speaker 2: I heard the referee was from Italy, I thought there

601
00:29:54,627 --> 00:29:56,987
Speaker 2: could be a problem. Major nations should have referees from

602
00:29:56,987 --> 00:29:59,467
Speaker 2: the UK, South African, New Zealand, Australia, et cetera. Thanks

603
00:29:59,507 --> 00:30:02,187
Speaker 2: for your text, Mak. I'm probably gonna need some specific examples.

604
00:30:03,107 --> 00:30:05,627
Speaker 2: When you say a series of mistakes that cost Australia,

605
00:30:05,787 --> 00:30:09,987
Speaker 2: I didn't see that, but i'll you know, I'll stand

606
00:30:10,027 --> 00:30:11,627
Speaker 2: correct that if I if I hear or see some

607
00:30:11,747 --> 00:30:15,067
Speaker 2: specific examples. And as far as referees coming from emerging

608
00:30:15,187 --> 00:30:18,867
Speaker 2: nations to referee games of this caliber concernable. Joe Schmitt

609
00:30:18,947 --> 00:30:20,347
Speaker 2: was asked that afterwards and he said, I don't think

610
00:30:20,347 --> 00:30:24,067
Speaker 2: we should call Italy an emerging nation. Maybe he was

611
00:30:24,147 --> 00:30:26,507
Speaker 2: sort of using a bit of misdirection to not have

612
00:30:26,587 --> 00:30:29,027
Speaker 2: to talk about the referee. But then you look at

613
00:30:29,787 --> 00:30:34,947
Speaker 2: the Georgian referee, Nika Armasha Kelly. He's done a lot

614
00:30:34,987 --> 00:30:36,707
Speaker 2: of test matches and I think is now starting to

615
00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:40,347
Speaker 2: really develop. If you don't develop these guys, how do

616
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:44,267
Speaker 2: they develop? If you don't give them big games, how

617
00:30:44,307 --> 00:30:44,867
Speaker 2: do they develop?

618
00:30:44,947 --> 00:30:45,027
Speaker 7: Now?

619
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Speaker 2: I know the other part of this, The other layer

620
00:30:47,347 --> 00:30:50,067
Speaker 2: to this is that the same referee from last night

621
00:30:50,147 --> 00:30:52,587
Speaker 2: was also the referee in the second Lions Test between

622
00:30:52,787 --> 00:30:54,627
Speaker 2: Australia and the British Irish lines, and there was a

623
00:30:54,707 --> 00:30:57,267
Speaker 2: lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth after that game.

624
00:30:57,307 --> 00:31:00,467
Speaker 2: You'll remember that he didn't give a penalty and the

625
00:31:00,507 --> 00:31:02,507
Speaker 2: British and Irish line scored right at the end and

626
00:31:02,787 --> 00:31:06,667
Speaker 2: won that second Test and won that series. So yeah,

627
00:31:06,827 --> 00:31:08,827
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd like to say, I'd like to have

628
00:31:08,947 --> 00:31:11,547
Speaker 2: some examples. I've got Aunt Strawn on after one o'clock.

629
00:31:11,587 --> 00:31:13,507
Speaker 2: Maybe ask him if he saw anything from up high.

630
00:31:14,627 --> 00:31:19,907
Speaker 10: Hey Dean, Hello there, pony. You know I didn't talk

631
00:31:19,907 --> 00:31:23,187
Speaker 10: about the breakdown, but that is the big The breakdown

632
00:31:23,387 --> 00:31:26,067
Speaker 10: is a big thing when you penalize them, how long

633
00:31:26,107 --> 00:31:28,987
Speaker 10: they're to lay there, whether they're protecting the ball. I

634
00:31:29,107 --> 00:31:30,947
Speaker 10: mean sometimes it is a lottery.

635
00:31:31,467 --> 00:31:31,587
Speaker 8: Now.

636
00:31:31,707 --> 00:31:34,227
Speaker 10: I felt a few times last night that at the

637
00:31:34,307 --> 00:31:35,307
Speaker 10: breakdown he was wrong.

638
00:31:35,827 --> 00:31:39,467
Speaker 2: So hell weever that's me who No, No, Dean, that's

639
00:31:39,507 --> 00:31:41,427
Speaker 2: no no, you know as much as all of us,

640
00:31:41,707 --> 00:31:43,547
Speaker 2: I think, if that's you, if that's what you saw

641
00:31:43,587 --> 00:31:45,107
Speaker 2: in it, it's it's one of those where it's not

642
00:31:45,147 --> 00:31:46,747
Speaker 2: black and white, isn't it. You know, It's not like

643
00:31:47,267 --> 00:31:49,467
Speaker 2: has the ball gone out or not? You're referring the

644
00:31:49,467 --> 00:31:51,187
Speaker 2: breakdown at the best lives can be a bit of

645
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Speaker 2: a dog's breakfast when I can see very much.

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Speaker 14: So.

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Speaker 10: The thing that can sern me about the All Blacks lately,

648
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Speaker 10: and that's happened in more than one game when they

649
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Speaker 10: get down to the opposing backlan opposing gone, how long

650
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Speaker 10: it takes them to score. Where as they got down

651
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Speaker 10: twice and they scored straight away and the spring Box

652
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Speaker 10: do the same. We don't seem to be able to

653
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Speaker 10: do that finish. I don't know what it is, funny,

654
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Speaker 10: but when we get down there time and time again,

655
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Speaker 10: we don't do it. We knock it on or throw

656
00:32:22,827 --> 00:32:26,787
Speaker 10: a bad path, or lose the ball in contact. That's

657
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Speaker 10: an area that concerns me.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that, Dean. That's the skills under pressure,

659
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Speaker 2: I guess, or in the really important parts of the game,

660
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Speaker 2: when you know the catch and pass leads to tries

661
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Speaker 2: and things like that. It's interesting, isn't it. When you

662
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Speaker 2: get to this level, you just expect these guys to

663
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Speaker 2: be able to do that, you know, ninety nine times

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Speaker 2: out of one hundred.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, But when they've gone all the effort to get

666
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Speaker 10: down the amount of effort they're putting in. I mean

667
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Speaker 10: it's freighted me. The way they charge them with their heads.

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Speaker 10: I don't know how their hector can take it continually

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Speaker 10: just crashing into people and driving them off the ball.

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Speaker 10: I mean, man, it's mortal. It's brutal, absolutely brutal.

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Speaker 2: I saw I saw, yeah, I saw Wallace Atititi run

672
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Speaker 2: with the ball into Harry Wilson last night, Dean the

673
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Speaker 2: two number eights. It was like a car crash. It

674
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Speaker 2: was like these two massive men just running headlong into

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Speaker 2: one another. I actually physically winced myself on the sideline

676
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Speaker 2: when they came together.

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Speaker 10: Well, when you're on the sideline, Pony, you see it

678
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Speaker 10: even more, don't you, As you said you said, And

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Speaker 10: when you think of it, they're running round about if

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Speaker 10: you you know, I'm not talking about a fast back,

681
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Speaker 10: but before running about eighteen twenty miles an hour, you

682
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Speaker 10: get two people running at that speed into each other.

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Speaker 10: That's a forty mile in our collision and a car

684
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Speaker 10: into a lamp past. That's your brain knocking against your

685
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Speaker 10: head without it being hit, just the jolt of you

686
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Speaker 10: being stopped. Both of them.

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Speaker 2: It's a good thing. We're both just watching Dean, isn't

688
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Speaker 2: it good thing? We're just on there on the sideliner,

689
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Speaker 2: on the couch, made.

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Speaker 12: Good.

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Speaker 10: We do, we do lack a bit. I mean our tries,

692
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Speaker 10: most of our tries. I know that the Caleb scored one,

693
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Speaker 10: but tries to being scored by a fullback who's the

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Speaker 10: only guy, Jordan with a little of that extra pace

695
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Speaker 10: than when he gets in a gap. But we're shoveling

696
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Speaker 10: it along the back line expecting someday someone to make

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Speaker 10: a break or to get now on the outside. And

698
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Speaker 10: I think you've got to do more than that today.

699
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Speaker 10: All the other teams are and that's why they're so dangerous.

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Speaker 10: The spring box and the spring box even in the

701
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Speaker 10: Super fifteen team like they were doing it, teams like

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Speaker 10: a Whitecado and Taranaki were doing it, you know, number eights,

703
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Speaker 10: loose forwards, full decks coming into the line and creating

704
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Speaker 10: instrument and rolling around each other, and it's hard to

705
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Speaker 10: know who you're going to tackle. Yes, and they're just

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Speaker 10: passing it from men to men.

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Speaker 2: You need more than that, Dane. Good thoughts by you, well, mate,

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Speaker 2: thanks indeed for calling mate. We'll talk again soon, I'm sure. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think Caleb Clarks try last night was ball through hand,

710
00:35:06,467 --> 00:35:08,347
Speaker 2: catch and pass, a bit of misdirection in midfield and

711
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Speaker 2: then Caleb Clark on the outside, similar to Leroy Carter

712
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Speaker 2: against South Africa. So yeah, there are those occasions, but

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Speaker 2: I think defensive systems are so refined now and so

714
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Speaker 2: just metronomic that it is hard to find that space.

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Speaker 2: But I guess it's up to a tech coach is

716
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Speaker 2: to to find it. Twelve forty five Dave Pete, please

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Speaker 2: hold with you after this talking All Blacks, Oh eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: The Big issues on and after fields call Oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekendsport with Jason.

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Speaker 7: Fain and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gunner Homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks Baby.

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Speaker 2: Twelve minutes away from one. Just updating you from the

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Speaker 2: Football Under twenty World Cup. Our under twenties are taking

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Speaker 2: on Chili, the host's opening game of the Under twenty

726
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Speaker 2: World Cup nil all approaching halftime in that one, Dave,

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Speaker 2: thank you for holding good afternoon.

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Speaker 9: You got richiemong A back, so we add more depth

729
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Speaker 9: to the All Blacks is going back to New Zealand soon?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, next year. Yep, we'll have them back. That's

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Speaker 2: another one to add. And well Boden Barrett injured for

732
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Speaker 2: this coming test, Dave, so yeah, we'll see. I guess

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Speaker 2: if they go with Damien McKenzie again, which I presume

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Speaker 2: they will.

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Speaker 9: And Patrick Baldo. God, he's a master, isn't he. He's

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Speaker 9: got some much experience and he's a great, great, great

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Speaker 9: lock in me, and they stopped moaning. The referee was

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Speaker 9: there at both sides. Both sides got penalis. I'd expect

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Speaker 9: a referee to get experience. I thought there was nothing

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Speaker 9: wrong with them. He just both sides gave where penalties

741
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Speaker 9: that he was pretty fair and Patrick didn't he but

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Speaker 9: he's a master lock and me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like Patrick Typolo too, Dave, and having

744
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Speaker 2: him coming off the bench like he was last night

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00:36:48,307 --> 00:36:50,987
Speaker 2: just added real impact and leadership as well. I think

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Speaker 2: there's a really interesting little conversation to come around our

747
00:36:54,627 --> 00:36:57,307
Speaker 2: locks and how you get them all in the team.

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00:36:57,787 --> 00:37:00,387
Speaker 2: Scott Barrett is traveling to Perth, so he's back in

749
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Speaker 2: the mix, and he's your captain so he plays. And

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Speaker 2: then you've got Patrick Twey, plot two, Fabi and Holland,

751
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Speaker 2: who I thought had a good game last night, and

752
00:37:11,067 --> 00:37:12,947
Speaker 2: as the emerging man, and then to Paul Vte, who

753
00:37:12,987 --> 00:37:16,907
Speaker 2: was our best forward full stop last season. So how

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00:37:16,947 --> 00:37:19,067
Speaker 2: do you get four locks into a twenty three man squad.

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00:37:19,107 --> 00:37:21,467
Speaker 2: Your can't is the answer. Two starters and one off

756
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Speaker 2: the bench. You never have two locks on the bench

757
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Speaker 2: unless you have two pu vits lock loose forward cover.

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Speaker 8: So there's some.

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Speaker 2: Decisions to be made. Thanks for your call, Dave, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Hello Pete again.

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Speaker 15: There, Poney, that's a good game last night. I reckon

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Speaker 15: ref was fear meself. I reckon decisions that he made

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Speaker 15: was correct. I think that he's just a little bit

764
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Speaker 15: sad leaders and it comes to that side of it.

765
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Speaker 15: But yeah, I still reckon old Savy. He's a leader.

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Speaker 15: He's like a worry and a trench and he fights

767
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Speaker 15: to the bitter end. Personally, Scott is a nice guy,

768
00:37:53,827 --> 00:37:55,787
Speaker 15: but I still reckon he's a better captain. He's just

769
00:37:56,227 --> 00:37:59,107
Speaker 15: he's got that power. He's he's strong, he's tough, he's

770
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Speaker 15: he's not scared of getting hurt, and that's what you

771
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Speaker 15: need as a leader. And I reckon he's got a

772
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Speaker 15: little bit more upper hand and the Scottie good guy

773
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Speaker 15: as the captainbody, he's also a good speaker. That's just

774
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Speaker 15: my point of view. And when it comes to the

775
00:38:13,667 --> 00:38:15,467
Speaker 15: try lines, they always get skimmed.

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Speaker 16: And it comes to the all blacks.

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Speaker 15: Sometimes they try too hard and they lose the ball

778
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Speaker 15: or whatever. They got to slow down when the try

779
00:38:23,227 --> 00:38:25,787
Speaker 15: eyes right in the front of the eyes and sometimes

780
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Speaker 15: it I was at the bar last night, I think

781
00:38:27,347 --> 00:38:28,747
Speaker 15: I should have go and have another drink. Are they

782
00:38:28,827 --> 00:38:30,467
Speaker 15: going to get it over a lot of times?

783
00:38:30,507 --> 00:38:35,147
Speaker 2: And what's my choice? Do I stay and watch if

784
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Speaker 2: they see to say, if they score a try to

785
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Speaker 2: go and get another beer? That was your choice?

786
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Speaker 7: Was yeah, pretty much?

787
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Speaker 15: I'm not just true that you watch it. You watch

788
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Speaker 15: the other teams.

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Speaker 17: They always winning, even like all the other teams, when

790
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Speaker 17: they're that fight, when they're at that try line, they

791
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Speaker 17: fight and most of the time they did it over

792
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Speaker 17: They got that a little bit more discipline and will power.

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Speaker 15: We're going to get that over line. Sometimes you all

794
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Speaker 15: blacks and like that, they panic, they rush into it

795
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Speaker 15: and they throw it up.

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Speaker 2: Good to chat to your petate, Hope you had a

797
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Speaker 2: great night night. By the sounds of it, you're dead

798
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Speaker 2: And yeah, this seems to be divided opinion on the refereeing.

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Speaker 2: And look, someone's made the point to me. You know

800
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Speaker 2: that if it was the other way around, we'd be

801
00:39:13,387 --> 00:39:19,027
Speaker 2: blying up deluxe ourself ourselves about the refereeing. That doesn't

802
00:39:19,067 --> 00:39:20,827
Speaker 2: seem to be a lot of argument about the yellow card,

803
00:39:20,867 --> 00:39:23,827
Speaker 2: although last night I saw some rhetoric that the Harry

804
00:39:23,907 --> 00:39:26,907
Speaker 2: Potter yellow card wasn't a yellow card. Well, I've watched

805
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Speaker 2: it about a thousand times this morning just to try

806
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Speaker 2: and find out, you know why people think that it wasn't.

807
00:39:32,507 --> 00:39:36,467
Speaker 2: But it was a yellow card. He's not supporting his

808
00:39:36,587 --> 00:39:39,667
Speaker 2: body weight, he puts his hands on the ground. Then

809
00:39:39,747 --> 00:39:42,947
Speaker 2: Will Jordan arrives the ruck forms he sweeps the ball

810
00:39:43,027 --> 00:39:45,547
Speaker 2: back with his hand. That's hands in the ruck. It's

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Speaker 2: a deliberate infringement and they're on a warning. It's a

812
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Speaker 2: yellow card. Ate away from one. News Talks V.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

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Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine, News Talks.

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Speaker 2: B, News TALKSB five to one. Here's my chat with

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Speaker 2: Caleb Clark after the final whistle last night, and first

817
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Speaker 2: of all on the fact that it was his dad

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Speaker 2: singing the National anthem.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it was pretty crazy.

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Speaker 18: I actually didn't know he was going to sing the

821
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Speaker 18: national anthem. I didn't even hear the announcement.

822
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Speaker 2: Saying he was singing it.

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Speaker 18: I was probably midway through the English part of the anthem,

824
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Speaker 18: and I went, I know this voice, and I try

825
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Speaker 18: to hold myself together and not cry, even before I

826
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Speaker 18: knew it was him. But once I looked at the

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Speaker 18: screen and I went, bah, got me, man, it got

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Speaker 18: me good. So it was real special and yeah, pretty

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Speaker 18: special occasion.

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Speaker 19: For the both of us.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely love that. And then you get out there score

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Speaker 2: a try on your return.

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Speaker 16: How was that?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Man? That was crazy.

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Speaker 18: Just sort of all the emotions of the year came

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Speaker 18: out at one point. I wish I could get more

838
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Speaker 18: into the game. I wasn't lost, but I was just

839
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Speaker 18: just trying to find my feet again an international forty

840
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Speaker 18: So again little niggle, but that's alright. We're happy to

841
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Speaker 18: be out there again.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of your feet, you've got one vote off

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Speaker 2: you okay.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, just got hip dropped and sort of injured that

845
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Speaker 18: same ankle that happened all those weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: So it's not as bad as how it was before.

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Speaker 18: I got up straight away and was still jogging on it,

848
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Speaker 18: which was a good sign. And then we'll just see

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Speaker 18: the viziers and the doctors and for a prayer. Sibi.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you back, Caleb, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: That is our Caleb Clark. Shortly after the final whistle

852
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Speaker 2: last night, just a magical moment with a Ronnie singing

853
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Speaker 2: the national anthem, and I'm sure you've seen the vision

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Speaker 2: of Caleb tearing up once he realized it was his

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Speaker 2: dad on the mic one o'clock news next then and

856
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Speaker 2: Strawn with his analysis and more of your calls on

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks.

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Speaker 1: True the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

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Speaker 1: on and after field.

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Speaker 7: It's all on Weekend.

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Speaker 20: Sport with Jason Vade on your Home of Sport used

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Speaker 20: one seven Welcome in Toto Weekend Sport on News Talk

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Speaker 20: said be welcome back if you've been with us for

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Speaker 20: a wee while we're talking rugby, and Strang standing by

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Speaker 20: with his analysis of last night.

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Speaker 2: Chance for a few more calls and texts as well.

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Speaker 2: James mccony this hour after two. It's fifty years on

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Speaker 2: Wednesday that the rumble in the jungle, not not the

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Speaker 2: rumble and jungle, the th and Manilla, Wrong One, Wrong One,

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Speaker 2: Andy Sorry. Thriller in Manila fifty years Arli Fraser, Mark

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Speaker 2: three took Place, Bruce will Fight Iconic. Thomas Hauser is

872
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Speaker 2: a prolific boxing writer and journalist. Going to join us

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Speaker 2: after two to put into context the thriller in Manilla

874
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Speaker 2: and just why it continues to be talked about half

875
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Speaker 2: a century. On a couple of text to mop up

876
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Speaker 2: before we get to anstorm kid. They Piney thought Billy

877
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Speaker 2: had a really good game last night, and by the way,

878
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Speaker 2: says Marshy, we still have the second best number nine

879
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Speaker 2: in the country playing for the Bay at the moment

880
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Speaker 2: you're talking about your man for our fuck It'sava there, Marsha.

881
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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00:42:49,747 --> 00:42:51,867
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we're quite well soon for half backs,

883
00:42:51,907 --> 00:42:54,627
Speaker 2: aren't we. I think they're all chasing came Roy Guard

884
00:42:55,227 --> 00:42:59,827
Speaker 2: for that top spot, but courtiez Latimer, Noah Hotham, Finlay,

885
00:42:59,907 --> 00:43:03,947
Speaker 2: Christine Kyle Preston for our fucker Taval, although I get

886
00:43:03,987 --> 00:43:05,547
Speaker 2: the feeling that they're not picking him so that he

887
00:43:05,627 --> 00:43:09,787
Speaker 2: can play for the country of his birth instead, which

888
00:43:09,787 --> 00:43:13,307
Speaker 2: I think is a good idea. Dylan Pleager who's getting

889
00:43:13,347 --> 00:43:16,107
Speaker 2: big ramps and it's like the locks, isn't it. I

890
00:43:16,227 --> 00:43:18,867
Speaker 2: was mentioning the locks before Scott Barrett to Paul Vai,

891
00:43:19,627 --> 00:43:22,907
Speaker 2: Fabian holland Patrick Tuwey Poloto didn't even mention Sam Dowry,

892
00:43:22,907 --> 00:43:27,107
Speaker 2: who's coming back, Josh Lord and there too. So there's

893
00:43:27,107 --> 00:43:29,027
Speaker 2: a couple of positions where we are starting to build

894
00:43:29,747 --> 00:43:35,267
Speaker 2: a little bit of depth. Cameroy Guard's pass is just perfect,

895
00:43:35,507 --> 00:43:40,227
Speaker 2: says Al, Just like Aaron Smith's fast, precise, exactly on point.

896
00:43:40,747 --> 00:43:43,507
Speaker 2: It arrives right in front of the recipient to accelerate

897
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Speaker 2: onto no having to reach up or behind or check

898
00:43:46,827 --> 00:43:49,187
Speaker 2: and stop. He has pure class and all. You won't

899
00:43:49,187 --> 00:43:51,627
Speaker 2: get an argument from me, and Dave says I thought

900
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Speaker 2: Jordi Barrett played among his best games for the All

901
00:43:54,387 --> 00:43:57,307
Speaker 2: Blacks last night. Totally nullified the Ozzy midfield on defense,

902
00:43:57,787 --> 00:44:01,827
Speaker 2: passed very well and kicked accurately. He was wonderful, Thanks Davin.

903
00:44:01,907 --> 00:44:04,267
Speaker 2: Vicky says Ponty. Sorry, but when even the New Zealand

904
00:44:04,347 --> 00:44:07,827
Speaker 2: commentators were questioning the referee, you know there were issues.

905
00:44:08,067 --> 00:44:10,587
Speaker 2: I hate talking about the officials having a couple in

906
00:44:10,667 --> 00:44:12,827
Speaker 2: the family, says VICKI, but I actually think the Aussies

907
00:44:12,867 --> 00:44:17,107
Speaker 2: are justified feeling hard done by interesting. I guess I

908
00:44:17,227 --> 00:44:21,147
Speaker 2: only heard our commentary, so I'd be interested to hear

909
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Speaker 2: what Ans Strawn has to say, so I'll ask him that.

910
00:44:23,307 --> 00:44:25,547
Speaker 2: In the moment, coming up ten past one, on.

911
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Speaker 3: The right hand side of the All Blacks, directly under

912
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Speaker 3: the uprights, roy Guard texts and goes himself tem right

913
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Speaker 3: guard back, Cam right Guard stores.

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Speaker 2: And Strawn former All Blacks half back, our expert analyst

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Speaker 2: and news talks. There be commentary last night and good

916
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Speaker 2: to chat to you the day after. Can we start

917
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Speaker 2: with the man in the nine jersey, the man we

918
00:44:44,467 --> 00:44:48,267
Speaker 2: just heard score that try Cam Roygart. How influential was

919
00:44:48,387 --> 00:44:50,587
Speaker 2: he last night on his return to the Black.

920
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Speaker 5: Jersey man, You'd probably take us five to ten minutes,

921
00:44:53,787 --> 00:44:57,707
Speaker 5: but this one. But to sum him up, so instrumental

922
00:44:58,227 --> 00:45:01,907
Speaker 5: in everything they did. He bought energy to the group,

923
00:45:02,107 --> 00:45:05,467
Speaker 5: he bought confidence. Just his ability to keep kissing the

924
00:45:05,507 --> 00:45:08,307
Speaker 5: Australian def events. I think for mine is one of

925
00:45:08,347 --> 00:45:08,867
Speaker 5: those things that.

926
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Speaker 8: He takes pressure off others and.

927
00:45:11,347 --> 00:45:13,787
Speaker 5: For the most he made a lot of really smart decisions.

928
00:45:13,867 --> 00:45:17,227
Speaker 5: He scans early very confident in his own ability and

929
00:45:17,267 --> 00:45:21,227
Speaker 5: I just thought overall his game was pretty clinical and yeah,

930
00:45:21,307 --> 00:45:23,947
Speaker 5: just the energy and what he brings to this group.

931
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Speaker 8: It is actually now as we look.

932
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Speaker 5: At it, I know we've got some good nights run

933
00:45:27,227 --> 00:45:29,947
Speaker 5: around the country made, but he is head and shoulders

934
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Speaker 5: above the pack and probably the only here he really

935
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Speaker 5: doesn't need to continue to work on it, just that

936
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Speaker 5: box kicking, because we're running a lot of contestables now

937
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Speaker 5: from the base and it just had a couple of

938
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Speaker 5: rope goes last night, but.

939
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Speaker 2: Overall a wonderful performance even after just thirty tests. And

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Speaker 2: is he now among the most important players in this

941
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Speaker 2: all black setup?

942
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Speaker 8: I think so. I mean, we're in the development phase.

943
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Speaker 5: I even knew some public hate to hear that, but

944
00:45:54,347 --> 00:45:57,027
Speaker 5: you know, we've lost all that experience after the last

945
00:45:57,107 --> 00:45:59,507
Speaker 5: World Cup and we're now building a group as you

946
00:45:59,627 --> 00:46:02,787
Speaker 5: head to the next one, you know, and the pivotal roles,

947
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Speaker 5: and nine is one of those.

948
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Speaker 8: Is so important. And it's great to know we've got

949
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Speaker 8: dets and talent and youth.

950
00:46:10,187 --> 00:46:12,987
Speaker 5: But once you settle on a player who is so

951
00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:15,467
Speaker 5: critical to the way you play the game, not just

952
00:46:15,947 --> 00:46:17,627
Speaker 5: offensively but defensively as well.

953
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Speaker 8: He's a good.

954
00:46:18,107 --> 00:46:21,747
Speaker 5: Defender, you know you could start building your units, your

955
00:46:21,787 --> 00:46:25,147
Speaker 5: blocks around your team to have a really strong collective group.

956
00:46:25,747 --> 00:46:29,787
Speaker 5: And yes, I mean it belies belief that you know,

957
00:46:29,907 --> 00:46:32,467
Speaker 5: the thirteen games he's played. He looks like a thirty

958
00:46:32,547 --> 00:46:35,587
Speaker 5: footy Kish veteran out there. And I know, you know,

959
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Speaker 5: the ball provided from last night we played on top

960
00:46:38,347 --> 00:46:40,307
Speaker 5: of a lot. I thought the cleaner carry clean was

961
00:46:40,347 --> 00:46:43,667
Speaker 5: good too, so he got a good platform. But you know, look,

962
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Speaker 5: I totally agree he you know, he's so critical to

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Speaker 5: us moving forward.

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00:46:47,467 --> 00:46:50,427
Speaker 2: Speaking of platforms, what were the foundations for the All

965
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Speaker 2: Blacks when last night?

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Speaker 8: For you, well, I think the set piece, well, it

967
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Speaker 8: was a bit ropie. We certainly had parity, if not better.

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Speaker 5: So you know, as you know, mate, you have to

969
00:47:00,187 --> 00:47:04,227
Speaker 5: be clinical with your execretion around set piece.

970
00:47:04,267 --> 00:47:05,387
Speaker 8: You've got to have a strong.

971
00:47:05,227 --> 00:47:07,667
Speaker 5: Scrum so you can launch that a lineout as well,

972
00:47:07,707 --> 00:47:10,107
Speaker 5: but also some strums and lineus where you can put

973
00:47:10,107 --> 00:47:12,507
Speaker 5: some pressure on the opposition. I thought that was better,

974
00:47:12,587 --> 00:47:16,587
Speaker 5: certainly than Wellington. I really liked the way they attacked.

975
00:47:16,707 --> 00:47:18,987
Speaker 5: I think we mentioned in commentary last night a few times.

976
00:47:19,067 --> 00:47:21,307
Speaker 5: Their ability to get the bull that wit quickly was

977
00:47:21,627 --> 00:47:24,827
Speaker 5: was phenomenal and we really did stretch the Wallabies out

978
00:47:24,867 --> 00:47:27,027
Speaker 5: wide and they just kept going there and as nice

979
00:47:27,027 --> 00:47:28,947
Speaker 5: as he catered Clark with his hands on the ball

980
00:47:28,987 --> 00:47:31,707
Speaker 5: a lot Leroy Trder got involved as well, and that's

981
00:47:31,707 --> 00:47:33,627
Speaker 5: it didn't come to us when he got involved as well.

982
00:47:33,707 --> 00:47:37,267
Speaker 8: So getting the ball to the edges and exposing the Wallabies,

983
00:47:37,307 --> 00:47:38,947
Speaker 8: I thought it was one thing, and it was nice

984
00:47:39,027 --> 00:47:40,827
Speaker 8: the way they got it there. It wasn't just catch

985
00:47:40,907 --> 00:47:41,747
Speaker 8: pass every time.

986
00:47:42,187 --> 00:47:44,507
Speaker 5: Sometimes they ran some nice layers through the middle, those

987
00:47:44,547 --> 00:47:46,547
Speaker 5: little second man plays we talk about all the time.

988
00:47:47,427 --> 00:47:50,187
Speaker 5: So the attack coach should pat himself on the back

989
00:47:50,227 --> 00:47:50,587
Speaker 5: this morning.

990
00:47:50,627 --> 00:47:51,787
Speaker 8: So I thought that was very good.

991
00:47:52,347 --> 00:47:55,227
Speaker 5: And also we continued to be really well disciplined. You

992
00:47:55,347 --> 00:47:58,627
Speaker 5: remember four three four TESTSA we got fined by the

993
00:47:58,707 --> 00:48:00,347
Speaker 5: referee and we turned the ball over a lot with

994
00:48:00,467 --> 00:48:03,467
Speaker 5: our discipline. We thought of that out as well, and

995
00:48:03,627 --> 00:48:07,147
Speaker 5: I thought Addie Savia set the standard physically for us

996
00:48:07,507 --> 00:48:10,067
Speaker 5: and the rest of that forward pack as follow suit.

997
00:48:10,587 --> 00:48:13,427
Speaker 5: Was a brutal game, as you mentioned, but I thought, yeah,

998
00:48:13,507 --> 00:48:16,267
Speaker 5: just how I believe to contest the collisions to give

999
00:48:16,347 --> 00:48:18,747
Speaker 5: us a platform to get to the width was.

1000
00:48:18,867 --> 00:48:19,547
Speaker 8: Really really good.

1001
00:48:19,867 --> 00:48:21,387
Speaker 2: Just on the referee. And there's been a bit of

1002
00:48:21,427 --> 00:48:25,267
Speaker 2: chat about his performance and in particular a few complaints

1003
00:48:25,347 --> 00:48:27,107
Speaker 2: on the other side of the Tasman about the number

1004
00:48:27,107 --> 00:48:29,227
Speaker 2: of penalties that were handed out, the yellow Karta, Harry

1005
00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:32,347
Speaker 2: Potter and other decisions made last night. What was your

1006
00:48:32,387 --> 00:48:33,547
Speaker 2: evaluation of the referee?

1007
00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:37,947
Speaker 5: And she thought it was really good because he was proactive.

1008
00:48:38,547 --> 00:48:40,467
Speaker 5: You know, we could often hear his voice down the

1009
00:48:40,547 --> 00:48:44,067
Speaker 5: ways in terms of explaining what's happening as the game

1010
00:48:44,187 --> 00:48:46,867
Speaker 5: is unfolding, So he wasn't blowing it up and then explaining.

1011
00:48:47,307 --> 00:48:50,187
Speaker 5: He was giving some productive vocals to the players, and

1012
00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:52,347
Speaker 5: I thought that was really good. He's never going to

1013
00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:55,227
Speaker 5: get through a Test match with the way the ruckers

1014
00:48:55,267 --> 00:48:57,947
Speaker 5: so complicated these days, but he thought, you know, for

1015
00:48:58,067 --> 00:49:01,747
Speaker 5: the most part, he got things right. He penalized teams.

1016
00:49:01,507 --> 00:49:04,347
Speaker 8: For entry a lot, some of the guys who were

1017
00:49:04,427 --> 00:49:07,427
Speaker 8: losing feet, but also the side entry both teams in

1018
00:49:07,587 --> 00:49:09,147
Speaker 8: that phase. He tied it up.

1019
00:49:09,187 --> 00:49:12,107
Speaker 5: He needed to tackle area and I think the game

1020
00:49:12,187 --> 00:49:13,027
Speaker 5: flowed pretty well.

1021
00:49:13,067 --> 00:49:15,467
Speaker 8: I mean, it was some really nice attacking.

1022
00:49:15,147 --> 00:49:17,747
Speaker 5: Movements throughout the game from both teams, and you know

1023
00:49:17,867 --> 00:49:19,507
Speaker 5: referee contributes to that flow.

1024
00:49:19,667 --> 00:49:21,187
Speaker 8: So look, if I thought he.

1025
00:49:21,547 --> 00:49:23,787
Speaker 5: Lets you a really good game, I can't understand, you know,

1026
00:49:23,867 --> 00:49:26,307
Speaker 5: when a team gets penalless more than the other you

1027
00:49:26,387 --> 00:49:28,467
Speaker 5: strutgnize a lot more closely what a referee does.

1028
00:49:28,547 --> 00:49:30,347
Speaker 8: But you know I gave him a big tech mark,

1029
00:49:30,587 --> 00:49:32,467
Speaker 8: big tip pastmer Well, what did.

1030
00:49:32,427 --> 00:49:35,347
Speaker 2: You see happen in that ten minutes just before halftime

1031
00:49:35,467 --> 00:49:38,587
Speaker 2: when Australia came back from what they were twenty points down, sorry,

1032
00:49:38,627 --> 00:49:41,467
Speaker 2: seventeen points down and they scored those two converted tries

1033
00:49:41,507 --> 00:49:43,507
Speaker 2: and close the gap to three? What did you see

1034
00:49:43,587 --> 00:49:46,387
Speaker 2: from the Wallabies? What didn't perhaps you see from the

1035
00:49:46,427 --> 00:49:47,467
Speaker 2: All Blacks in that period?

1036
00:49:48,347 --> 00:49:49,307
Speaker 8: And I think you nailed it.

1037
00:49:49,547 --> 00:49:51,627
Speaker 5: You know, as soon as body Barrett was at a

1038
00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:55,627
Speaker 5: knockious injury to his ac joint went off, it would

1039
00:49:55,627 --> 00:49:57,987
Speaker 5: just like to puff went out of the team and

1040
00:49:58,107 --> 00:50:00,547
Speaker 5: it was almost like saying, now who's stepping up and

1041
00:50:00,667 --> 00:50:03,147
Speaker 5: taking control? You know, who's vocally going to lead this

1042
00:50:03,627 --> 00:50:07,307
Speaker 5: team to really keep pushing beyond the twenty to three

1043
00:50:07,467 --> 00:50:08,347
Speaker 5: leads and.

1044
00:50:08,587 --> 00:50:10,987
Speaker 8: Just screw them down all the way through the halftime.

1045
00:50:11,067 --> 00:50:13,627
Speaker 5: And I just thought we just were in a bit

1046
00:50:13,707 --> 00:50:20,067
Speaker 5: passive across the park vocally, physically, execution wise, we just

1047
00:50:20,187 --> 00:50:24,307
Speaker 5: went flat and it's a real concern for mine. I mean,

1048
00:50:24,347 --> 00:50:25,787
Speaker 5: it was a good win in the end, but it

1049
00:50:25,867 --> 00:50:27,667
Speaker 5: was a concern for mine that we just got so

1050
00:50:27,907 --> 00:50:31,107
Speaker 5: soft and that ten to twelve minutes to half time,

1051
00:50:31,187 --> 00:50:33,787
Speaker 5: and it is about day management. And you mentioned as

1052
00:50:33,827 --> 00:50:36,387
Speaker 5: you say that Barrett went off, not that but Kens

1053
00:50:36,427 --> 00:50:39,307
Speaker 5: he's not good enough to take the reins there. But

1054
00:50:39,947 --> 00:50:42,187
Speaker 5: we went flat and how are we going to get

1055
00:50:42,227 --> 00:50:42,587
Speaker 5: out of that?

1056
00:50:42,867 --> 00:50:43,707
Speaker 8: So that we don't know?

1057
00:50:43,987 --> 00:50:45,907
Speaker 5: Cop up fourteen points or whatever it was in a

1058
00:50:46,027 --> 00:50:47,987
Speaker 5: very short space of time and we lost a lot

1059
00:50:48,027 --> 00:50:48,827
Speaker 5: of momentsa through it.

1060
00:50:49,587 --> 00:50:51,947
Speaker 2: A guy whose name you mentioned a few times last night,

1061
00:50:52,267 --> 00:50:54,587
Speaker 2: whether the praise was Quinta Pia who came on in

1062
00:50:54,627 --> 00:50:57,347
Speaker 2: an unfamiliar position on the left wing when Caleb Clark

1063
00:50:57,387 --> 00:50:59,187
Speaker 2: went off of that England jury. Do you think Quinta

1064
00:50:59,227 --> 00:51:01,547
Speaker 2: Pie's pushing for a starting spot on this team?

1065
00:51:02,147 --> 00:51:02,347
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1066
00:51:02,387 --> 00:51:02,587
Speaker 7: I do.

1067
00:51:03,227 --> 00:51:06,227
Speaker 21: I mean everything he's done so far and a dismatches.

1068
00:51:05,707 --> 00:51:07,827
Speaker 5: With his came on games against Out Africa when they

1069
00:51:07,867 --> 00:51:09,227
Speaker 5: wanted the fortress a few weeks ago.

1070
00:51:10,027 --> 00:51:12,267
Speaker 8: His ability to carry, he's a good footwork, he's very

1071
00:51:12,307 --> 00:51:14,107
Speaker 8: powerful ball in hand. He was playing on the wing.

1072
00:51:14,187 --> 00:51:15,427
Speaker 5: I mean, I think he's played a lot of wing

1073
00:51:15,507 --> 00:51:18,707
Speaker 5: in his life. He did a job there. I'll be

1074
00:51:18,747 --> 00:51:20,707
Speaker 5: being awful a little while. Man I think they should

1075
00:51:20,707 --> 00:51:23,267
Speaker 5: put it back at twelve. And that's no discredit to

1076
00:51:23,347 --> 00:51:25,507
Speaker 5: what Billie Barrett's been doing in that role. But I

1077
00:51:25,627 --> 00:51:28,347
Speaker 5: still just think he's a fallback. I think you can

1078
00:51:28,427 --> 00:51:30,827
Speaker 5: pop you know, Will Jordan on the wings. I know

1079
00:51:30,907 --> 00:51:33,547
Speaker 5: that would be tough for Carter and or Clark, who

1080
00:51:33,667 --> 00:51:36,507
Speaker 5: also had a really good game last night. Ronnie, Sorry,

1081
00:51:36,787 --> 00:51:39,667
Speaker 5: Caleb Clark got a bit of an injury. But yeah,

1082
00:51:39,987 --> 00:51:42,987
Speaker 5: I just think Quinn will give us something at twelve,

1083
00:51:43,347 --> 00:51:46,387
Speaker 5: which we've probably been lacking, into the consistency of what

1084
00:51:46,507 --> 00:51:50,227
Speaker 5: our twelve does, getting gainline, getting post contact meters. He's

1085
00:51:50,267 --> 00:51:53,147
Speaker 5: a good, in your face defender. And also I thought

1086
00:51:53,347 --> 00:51:56,427
Speaker 5: Billy Proctor, she probably had another really, really good game.

1087
00:51:56,467 --> 00:51:58,867
Speaker 5: I thought he took a step up. His defense was superb.

1088
00:51:59,307 --> 00:52:02,667
Speaker 5: He swum away from situations to pick up guys in

1089
00:52:02,827 --> 00:52:06,827
Speaker 5: behind the attacking line. I think he was good Bull,

1090
00:52:06,867 --> 00:52:08,947
Speaker 5: and he hardly made an error last night, you know,

1091
00:52:09,147 --> 00:52:10,307
Speaker 5: so he's growing.

1092
00:52:10,307 --> 00:52:11,107
Speaker 8: Week by weeks.

1093
00:52:11,227 --> 00:52:13,227
Speaker 5: I just wonder whether he'd be better with quinter Pie

1094
00:52:13,307 --> 00:52:14,227
Speaker 5: sitting inside him, all.

1095
00:52:14,187 --> 00:52:16,947
Speaker 2: Right, just to finish and look ahead. I guess the

1096
00:52:17,027 --> 00:52:20,187
Speaker 2: trick now is consistency, isn't his? And they bet Argentina

1097
00:52:20,267 --> 00:52:22,827
Speaker 2: lost to Argentina beat South Africa lost to South Africa

1098
00:52:22,867 --> 00:52:25,267
Speaker 2: beat Australia. How do they make sure over the next

1099
00:52:25,307 --> 00:52:27,067
Speaker 2: seven days they go to Perth and went over there.

1100
00:52:28,787 --> 00:52:32,227
Speaker 5: Well, there's some new challenges, I think Piney. I mean

1101
00:52:32,227 --> 00:52:33,627
Speaker 5: they'll be able to sit down and look at that

1102
00:52:34,027 --> 00:52:35,147
Speaker 5: flat patches in the game.

1103
00:52:35,187 --> 00:52:35,867
Speaker 8: They need to fix that.

1104
00:52:36,627 --> 00:52:38,707
Speaker 5: I think they need to reflect on the way they're

1105
00:52:38,787 --> 00:52:41,227
Speaker 5: playing and I think it's a successful way that there

1106
00:52:41,307 --> 00:52:42,827
Speaker 5: will to be more expecting now to.

1107
00:52:42,867 --> 00:52:45,347
Speaker 8: Play the width. So my question is as they go

1108
00:52:45,467 --> 00:52:48,507
Speaker 8: up to Perth, it'll be hot airs up there. You know,

1109
00:52:48,587 --> 00:52:50,747
Speaker 8: the long traveler, it is taxing to get all the

1110
00:52:50,787 --> 00:52:51,587
Speaker 8: way up to Perth.

1111
00:52:52,347 --> 00:52:54,827
Speaker 5: Do they have any just variations about just rather than

1112
00:52:54,827 --> 00:52:58,187
Speaker 5: go to width again, so reinforce the good things.

1113
00:52:58,347 --> 00:53:00,027
Speaker 8: Bring a little bit more variation in.

1114
00:53:00,187 --> 00:53:06,067
Speaker 5: But you know, definitely work out some way some strategy

1115
00:53:06,427 --> 00:53:09,987
Speaker 5: of stopping those flat patches and games, because the Wallabies will.

1116
00:53:10,347 --> 00:53:11,747
Speaker 8: Take a lot of confidence from the game.

1117
00:53:11,787 --> 00:53:14,627
Speaker 5: Finally enough, I thought they scrambled defensive man brilliantly at

1118
00:53:14,627 --> 00:53:18,267
Speaker 5: the time. They held us up from many occasions. So

1119
00:53:18,427 --> 00:53:21,907
Speaker 5: they take that confidence away back to Perth and they'll

1120
00:53:21,947 --> 00:53:25,027
Speaker 5: come hissing in front of a big home crowd, I'd imagine.

1121
00:53:24,667 --> 00:53:24,747
Speaker 22: So.

1122
00:53:26,387 --> 00:53:29,467
Speaker 5: The orblects you have to work on those primary those

1123
00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:30,147
Speaker 5: flat patches.

1124
00:53:30,627 --> 00:53:33,507
Speaker 2: Always enjoy chatting rugby with you and working alongside you, mate,

1125
00:53:33,547 --> 00:53:38,027
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this afternoon. Thanks and Andron our

1126
00:53:38,427 --> 00:53:44,107
Speaker 2: expert analyst jee. He provides some incredibly good insight. Every

1127
00:53:44,187 --> 00:53:46,947
Speaker 2: time I have the opportunity to do a radio commentary

1128
00:53:46,987 --> 00:53:49,827
Speaker 2: with Ant up in the box alongside Elliott Smith, he

1129
00:53:49,987 --> 00:53:52,987
Speaker 2: just gets such a deeper understanding of the game. He's

1130
00:53:53,147 --> 00:53:55,547
Speaker 2: just got such an astute rugby brain, an straw and

1131
00:53:55,587 --> 00:53:57,907
Speaker 2: he's in the Herald now writing regular articles.

1132
00:53:57,947 --> 00:53:58,147
Speaker 5: There.

1133
00:53:59,467 --> 00:54:03,987
Speaker 2: Really really astute, all right, one nineteen. Look, I'm not

1134
00:54:04,067 --> 00:54:06,627
Speaker 2: saying you're not a stude. I'm not saying or not

1135
00:54:07,587 --> 00:54:09,467
Speaker 2: entitled to your opinion on the game as well. We've

1136
00:54:09,467 --> 00:54:11,307
Speaker 2: got a few, well a few moments. It's quite a

1137
00:54:11,307 --> 00:54:14,467
Speaker 2: few more minutes actually, James McConney jew around one forty five.

1138
00:54:14,627 --> 00:54:16,867
Speaker 2: So between now and then we can we can mop

1139
00:54:16,987 --> 00:54:19,427
Speaker 2: up the rest of the Rugby chat anything in particular

1140
00:54:19,507 --> 00:54:20,747
Speaker 2: that you want to pick up on last night. We

1141
00:54:20,747 --> 00:54:22,747
Speaker 2: couldn't get everybody on the air last hour, but there

1142
00:54:22,867 --> 00:54:25,587
Speaker 2: is the opportunity now for you eight hundred and eighty

1143
00:54:25,707 --> 00:54:29,187
Speaker 2: ten eighty, and maybe we look ahead as well at

1144
00:54:29,227 --> 00:54:33,427
Speaker 2: what you might do six days from now in terms

1145
00:54:33,467 --> 00:54:36,307
Speaker 2: of the All Blacks team, What would you be doing?

1146
00:54:36,347 --> 00:54:39,067
Speaker 2: No Boatom Barrett. We know that he's not on the plane.

1147
00:54:39,307 --> 00:54:42,467
Speaker 2: The ac joint, the shoulder injury he suffered last night

1148
00:54:42,507 --> 00:54:48,067
Speaker 2: will keep him out. And no Ethan de Groot either

1149
00:54:48,467 --> 00:54:52,467
Speaker 2: he also suffered an HIA or had a hia last night,

1150
00:54:52,867 --> 00:54:54,827
Speaker 2: failed at twelve days stand down, so he's not going

1151
00:54:54,907 --> 00:54:57,187
Speaker 2: to be there either. So what do you do at

1152
00:54:57,227 --> 00:55:00,227
Speaker 2: first five? Presumably it's Damien mackenzie. Is anybody else there

1153
00:55:00,307 --> 00:55:01,867
Speaker 2: last night who you would like to see given a go,

1154
00:55:02,267 --> 00:55:04,947
Speaker 2: given a crack? I really like the back three, I

1155
00:55:05,027 --> 00:55:07,907
Speaker 2: have to say. I like the jaw Gorden Clark Carter

1156
00:55:08,547 --> 00:55:12,387
Speaker 2: back three. I think Leroy Carter is doing a terrific

1157
00:55:12,547 --> 00:55:17,027
Speaker 2: job at becoming an All Black, isn't he? I really

1158
00:55:17,187 --> 00:55:17,667
Speaker 2: like the guy.

1159
00:55:18,227 --> 00:55:23,867
Speaker 4: Hello Julie, Oh hello there. I just wanted to say

1160
00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:29,427
Speaker 4: that I'm a bit of a paid of McKenzie and

1161
00:55:29,867 --> 00:55:35,027
Speaker 4: I know that Barrett Scott, sorry not Scott, he missed

1162
00:55:35,427 --> 00:55:40,507
Speaker 4: several kicks, so when Mackenzie came on, he got three

1163
00:55:40,547 --> 00:55:44,587
Speaker 4: out of three kicks and they went. They were quite

1164
00:55:45,667 --> 00:55:48,827
Speaker 4: quite kicks were quite back away, so I think he

1165
00:55:48,867 --> 00:55:51,787
Speaker 4: did really well. And I also think that a lot

1166
00:55:51,867 --> 00:55:57,107
Speaker 4: of the teams now, the main teams like Australia, South

1167
00:55:57,147 --> 00:56:03,267
Speaker 4: Africa and Argent Tita, but a sort of catching, you know,

1168
00:56:03,387 --> 00:56:08,987
Speaker 4: there's not a lot between the teams sometimes and means

1169
00:56:09,107 --> 00:56:12,787
Speaker 4: that's my feeling. I'm also pleased with the Chiefs that

1170
00:56:12,867 --> 00:56:16,707
Speaker 4: are in the All Blacks, really pleased with Parker and

1171
00:56:16,987 --> 00:56:19,067
Speaker 4: Lee Roy. I think he's had about two tries the

1172
00:56:19,147 --> 00:56:22,787
Speaker 4: last two tests, so he deserves his place. And I

1173
00:56:22,907 --> 00:56:26,507
Speaker 4: think most of them did really well and the caitancy

1174
00:56:26,707 --> 00:56:30,787
Speaker 4: was very good. Sorry about the ones that got injured,

1175
00:56:31,667 --> 00:56:37,027
Speaker 4: but I'm finding it really really Yeah, I just really

1176
00:56:37,547 --> 00:56:42,587
Speaker 4: enjoy the games now. And yeah, that's about all I

1177
00:56:42,627 --> 00:56:44,787
Speaker 4: had to say. But yeah, I think Mackenzie's definitely got

1178
00:56:44,827 --> 00:56:47,947
Speaker 4: a part to play. And you know, his goal kicking

1179
00:56:48,107 --> 00:56:50,227
Speaker 4: was really topped last night.

1180
00:56:50,627 --> 00:56:52,947
Speaker 2: Yep, Julie, I agree, he did kick well. I'm not

1181
00:56:52,987 --> 00:56:55,107
Speaker 2: sure what's happening with Biden Barrett's goal kicking at the moment.

1182
00:56:55,987 --> 00:56:58,907
Speaker 2: Obviously he's injured now, but that was that happened after

1183
00:56:59,147 --> 00:57:02,667
Speaker 2: his kicks a goal obviously last night. Yeah, it's just

1184
00:57:02,707 --> 00:57:04,267
Speaker 2: a bit off at the moment. I'm not sure why,

1185
00:57:04,907 --> 00:57:07,227
Speaker 2: but yeah, Damien came on and kicked, well he did.

1186
00:57:07,267 --> 00:57:09,027
Speaker 2: I don't think you'll lose anything. In fact, you'll probably

1187
00:57:09,147 --> 00:57:12,827
Speaker 2: gain it in terms of goal kicking. By heaven, Damien. There,

1188
00:57:12,827 --> 00:57:18,187
Speaker 2: Thanks Julie, appreciate your call. Hey Ben, Yeah, very good, Ben,

1189
00:57:18,307 --> 00:57:18,627
Speaker 2: very good.

1190
00:57:19,227 --> 00:57:21,427
Speaker 16: Yep, I'll just turned the alreadio down there so the

1191
00:57:22,547 --> 00:57:29,387
Speaker 16: eko doesn't happen. Hey, nitpicker, nitpicker alert, go on. I

1192
00:57:29,587 --> 00:57:32,627
Speaker 16: thought I thought we were doing the bonus point tries

1193
00:57:32,707 --> 00:57:35,467
Speaker 16: and trying to get the points at Rachel, you know,

1194
00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:41,427
Speaker 16: to think about the championship and whatnot. And I saw

1195
00:57:41,507 --> 00:57:45,067
Speaker 16: the South Africans play and they did the same to

1196
00:57:45,147 --> 00:57:52,187
Speaker 16: the to the argis uh well yeah, and you know,

1197
00:57:52,307 --> 00:57:55,787
Speaker 16: coming from a from that time when we used to

1198
00:57:55,827 --> 00:57:57,907
Speaker 16: be a second half team, I mean it was we

1199
00:57:58,067 --> 00:58:01,507
Speaker 16: used to always go down and half time under and

1200
00:58:02,107 --> 00:58:03,747
Speaker 16: you know know we're a second half team.

1201
00:58:06,787 --> 00:58:07,027
Speaker 8: Look.

1202
00:58:07,107 --> 00:58:12,147
Speaker 16: But yeah, individual performances out of the gate, don't get

1203
00:58:12,147 --> 00:58:15,907
Speaker 16: me wrong, mere, and hey we won, so you know,

1204
00:58:17,067 --> 00:58:17,827
Speaker 16: is Larry just.

1205
00:58:17,867 --> 00:58:21,187
Speaker 2: On the bonus point stuff? Is just being just on

1206
00:58:21,427 --> 00:58:23,547
Speaker 2: just on the bonus point stuff that you were mentioning there.

1207
00:58:23,947 --> 00:58:26,347
Speaker 2: So you've got to score three, three more tries than

1208
00:58:26,427 --> 00:58:30,867
Speaker 2: your opposition to get the bonus points. So yeah, so

1209
00:58:30,987 --> 00:58:32,907
Speaker 2: what I mean we got four last night they got three,

1210
00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:34,987
Speaker 2: So that was never really on the table or did

1211
00:58:35,067 --> 00:58:35,947
Speaker 2: you think that we should.

1212
00:58:38,347 --> 00:58:41,227
Speaker 16: I just thought that, hey, we've got this Championship Cup

1213
00:58:41,267 --> 00:58:44,467
Speaker 16: still in the cupboard, providing that we do well against

1214
00:58:44,467 --> 00:58:49,107
Speaker 16: Australia and leave the door open third and Argentina to

1215
00:58:50,267 --> 00:58:53,947
Speaker 16: do well against the spring Box, you know, And yeah

1216
00:58:54,587 --> 00:58:55,267
Speaker 16: that didn't happen.

1217
00:58:55,587 --> 00:58:56,827
Speaker 6: So yeah, n that.

1218
00:58:59,307 --> 00:59:02,947
Speaker 16: It's time positive, funny and perfect that you know, we

1219
00:59:03,067 --> 00:59:05,307
Speaker 16: have to set the bar as far as rugby goes

1220
00:59:05,347 --> 00:59:08,067
Speaker 16: in this world and and it's humbling to see the

1221
00:59:08,187 --> 00:59:11,467
Speaker 16: other teams come up to that. We've got to answer

1222
00:59:11,547 --> 00:59:17,387
Speaker 16: Beck you know, Kidwell Smith and Tony Brown in the mix.

1223
00:59:18,467 --> 00:59:22,507
Speaker 16: It's tumbling, you know, but it's yeah, yeah, not.

1224
00:59:22,627 --> 00:59:25,467
Speaker 2: Being here mate, We need to be Yeah yeah, sorry, Ben,

1225
00:59:25,667 --> 00:59:27,307
Speaker 2: I'm sorry mate. I do need to move. We've got

1226
00:59:27,347 --> 00:59:31,667
Speaker 2: some other course to get to. But no, I think

1227
00:59:31,707 --> 00:59:34,507
Speaker 2: we all need to accept that that there are a

1228
00:59:34,547 --> 00:59:37,547
Speaker 2: lot of good rugby teams now, you know, there really are,

1229
00:59:37,747 --> 00:59:40,987
Speaker 2: and you look at the rugby Championship table, and yes,

1230
00:59:41,067 --> 00:59:42,627
Speaker 2: it is out of our hands. All we can do

1231
00:59:42,747 --> 00:59:45,427
Speaker 2: is beat Australia next week. South Africa the state of

1232
00:59:45,467 --> 00:59:47,827
Speaker 2: the table after five games each, South Africa fifteen points,

1233
00:59:47,867 --> 00:59:51,747
Speaker 2: New Zealand fourteen, Australia eleven, Argentina nine. So if New

1234
00:59:51,827 --> 00:59:53,987
Speaker 2: Zealand were to beat Australia next week with a bonus point,

1235
00:59:54,027 --> 00:59:57,387
Speaker 2: what's that nineteen points? We would need South Africa to

1236
00:59:58,147 --> 01:00:01,347
Speaker 2: either lose to Argentina or win without a bonus point.

1237
01:00:01,587 --> 01:00:05,307
Speaker 2: Their points differential is plus fifty five. Ours incredibly is

1238
01:00:05,427 --> 01:00:08,267
Speaker 2: minus six. I guess that's a result of losing by

1239
01:00:08,307 --> 01:00:11,027
Speaker 2: such a big margin in Wellington. But yeah, the Rugby

1240
01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:13,387
Speaker 2: Championship is still there for New Zealand to win, but

1241
01:00:13,507 --> 01:00:19,547
Speaker 2: we need help from Argentina in their game against South Africa. Mike, Hi, Yeah,

1242
01:00:19,587 --> 01:00:20,387
Speaker 2: I get a piney.

1243
01:00:20,707 --> 01:00:27,107
Speaker 21: I've got a big selection kind of point out there

1244
01:00:27,147 --> 01:00:30,147
Speaker 21: to put the Josh Jacob on the reserve bench and

1245
01:00:30,227 --> 01:00:33,827
Speaker 21: the Perth Test to come off the bench. He's one

1246
01:00:33,827 --> 01:00:36,547
Speaker 21: of the form first five in New Zealand and I

1247
01:00:36,667 --> 01:00:39,027
Speaker 21: think he's done enough to warrant selection.

1248
01:00:39,547 --> 01:00:42,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won't be there, Mike, but I think he

1249
01:00:43,187 --> 01:00:47,147
Speaker 2: may be in the conversation for the Northern Tour. They

1250
01:00:47,187 --> 01:00:49,627
Speaker 2: haven't taken him to Perth. They've gone with what they've

1251
01:00:49,667 --> 01:00:51,387
Speaker 2: got from what we can understand. They haven't called in

1252
01:00:51,427 --> 01:00:54,187
Speaker 2: any first five cover. But I think Josh Jacob is

1253
01:00:54,227 --> 01:00:58,187
Speaker 2: mounting a really strong case to be on that Northern Tour.

1254
01:00:59,507 --> 01:01:02,147
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think because we need to get past Bowden

1255
01:01:02,227 --> 01:01:04,307
Speaker 21: because you know, he's thirty five now, but he's still

1256
01:01:04,347 --> 01:01:06,187
Speaker 21: a good player. But we need to build some depth

1257
01:01:06,427 --> 01:01:08,307
Speaker 21: first five. But I don't think McKenzie's the answer. He's

1258
01:01:08,307 --> 01:01:11,187
Speaker 21: a bench player and he can't control a match for

1259
01:01:11,267 --> 01:01:11,747
Speaker 21: eighty minutes.

1260
01:01:11,787 --> 01:01:15,467
Speaker 2: You know, he's too erratic, you know, I like, I

1261
01:01:15,547 --> 01:01:16,987
Speaker 2: like Damian McKenzie in twenty three.

1262
01:01:17,267 --> 01:01:17,467
Speaker 8: I do.

1263
01:01:17,627 --> 01:01:20,587
Speaker 2: I think that's his role to play. And look, more

1264
01:01:20,667 --> 01:01:22,827
Speaker 2: than once this year, including last night, he's had to

1265
01:01:22,867 --> 01:01:25,947
Speaker 2: come on, you know, as an injury replacement rather than

1266
01:01:26,067 --> 01:01:29,747
Speaker 2: as an impact player, and I honestly think that there

1267
01:01:29,827 --> 01:01:31,387
Speaker 2: was just a bit of a drop and composure last

1268
01:01:31,467 --> 01:01:34,147
Speaker 2: night when he came on and Bowden went off. Josh

1269
01:01:34,267 --> 01:01:38,027
Speaker 2: Jacob seems like a very very steady first five to me, Mike.

1270
01:01:39,067 --> 01:01:42,227
Speaker 21: Yeah, he's the future, and he's composed and he's a

1271
01:01:42,267 --> 01:01:46,827
Speaker 21: good kind of background in the Taranicky area, and you

1272
01:01:46,907 --> 01:01:49,067
Speaker 21: know they we're doing really well.

1273
01:01:49,187 --> 01:01:50,027
Speaker 8: He's managing the game.

1274
01:01:50,147 --> 01:01:52,587
Speaker 21: He puts them in the corners and they set up

1275
01:01:52,587 --> 01:01:56,147
Speaker 21: a camp on bline, the very very patient and they

1276
01:01:56,187 --> 01:01:57,547
Speaker 21: go about their business methodically.

1277
01:01:57,587 --> 01:01:58,547
Speaker 10: You know, Yeah, I do.

1278
01:01:58,787 --> 01:02:01,427
Speaker 2: It's good to Yeah, it's good to have that option

1279
01:02:01,547 --> 01:02:03,587
Speaker 2: because we do have to keep regenerating. You're right, Mike,

1280
01:02:03,627 --> 01:02:06,187
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Boden's you know, he's coming towards the end.

1281
01:02:06,827 --> 01:02:09,027
Speaker 2: Damie McKenzie's not a young guy either. Even when Richie

1282
01:02:09,067 --> 01:02:11,867
Speaker 2: Moonga comes back, you know, it's not as though he's

1283
01:02:11,867 --> 01:02:13,467
Speaker 2: a he's a twenty one twenty so year Rold. We

1284
01:02:13,507 --> 01:02:15,387
Speaker 2: did need to have these guys coming through like Jacob,

1285
01:02:15,747 --> 01:02:18,347
Speaker 2: like Reuben Love others as well. So yeah, like I said,

1286
01:02:18,347 --> 01:02:21,027
Speaker 2: I would look out for Josh Jacob's name on the

1287
01:02:21,347 --> 01:02:22,907
Speaker 2: on the list for the end of year too, mate.

1288
01:02:23,227 --> 01:02:25,227
Speaker 2: And yeah, let's chat again when that happens and he

1289
01:02:25,347 --> 01:02:30,947
Speaker 2: gets an all black stabut potentially appreciate you call Mike Denny, Hi, Hi,

1290
01:02:31,027 --> 01:02:31,587
Speaker 2: here's it going.

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Speaker 8: There, parady?

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01:02:32,147 --> 01:02:34,347
Speaker 2: Very good Denny, good good good.

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01:02:34,547 --> 01:02:37,187
Speaker 23: Hey, you just watching the game last night, and you

1294
01:02:37,267 --> 01:02:39,187
Speaker 23: know I watched a Satiti and I saw him break

1295
01:02:39,187 --> 01:02:40,787
Speaker 23: the line a few times, and every time he gets

1296
01:02:40,827 --> 01:02:44,667
Speaker 23: that ball he always gets an offload. Yeah, and I reckon,

1297
01:02:44,907 --> 01:02:47,467
Speaker 23: I personally reckon that you could actually play Satiti like

1298
01:02:47,507 --> 01:02:48,667
Speaker 23: a Marano at sick.

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Speaker 2: And five and put him out in the begs, you reckon, Denny.

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01:02:51,707 --> 01:02:53,067
Speaker 23: Yeah, put him out in the backs and have him

1301
01:02:53,067 --> 01:02:55,147
Speaker 23: crashing like a Marnanu. But I'd actually have them when

1302
01:02:55,187 --> 01:02:57,347
Speaker 23: they're on attack. I'd have him actually back a little

1303
01:02:57,347 --> 01:03:00,787
Speaker 23: bit further so when they're running at that line, they've

1304
01:03:00,787 --> 01:03:02,427
Speaker 23: got more speed. It's hard to stop the big guy

1305
01:03:02,467 --> 01:03:03,067
Speaker 23: at speed, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot. It's It's funny, isn't you know,

1307
01:03:06,787 --> 01:03:09,227
Speaker 2: And that a guy like Wallace to tit with the

1308
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Speaker 2: ball skills he has. You know, maybe he doesn't quite

1309
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Speaker 2: have the top end speed to be in the backs, Danny,

1310
01:03:14,507 --> 01:03:16,187
Speaker 2: but you're certainly right he can get his hands freehi

1311
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Speaker 2: and get the ball away. I reckon. If you said

1312
01:03:18,227 --> 01:03:19,787
Speaker 2: to him, look, we're going to give it a crack,

1313
01:03:19,787 --> 01:03:21,387
Speaker 2: he'd probably okay, I'll ever go.

1314
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Speaker 23: At that absolutely, you know. I mean the faster boys

1315
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Speaker 23: have to be fair of route back, you know, and

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01:03:27,707 --> 01:03:29,707
Speaker 23: you know, like with Evil and Jordie, I mean fall

1317
01:03:29,787 --> 01:03:32,547
Speaker 23: back big tall guy, got a big kick on him.

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Speaker 23: He'd be my last line of defense.

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Speaker 6: In the right place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely good on your Danny. Hey, I'm interesting to

1321
01:03:41,027 --> 01:03:42,907
Speaker 2: hear and straw and say as well he likes Quinta

1322
01:03:42,947 --> 01:03:45,467
Speaker 2: Pier or the idea of Quinta pie getting a start

1323
01:03:45,467 --> 01:03:48,307
Speaker 2: at twelve and Jordi back to fall back Will Jordan

1324
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Speaker 2: onto the wing. There may still be some some shuffling

1325
01:03:51,107 --> 01:03:54,027
Speaker 2: to do there. I don't think we've landed on our

1326
01:03:54,107 --> 01:03:57,067
Speaker 2: best back three. I think that is probably the if

1327
01:03:57,107 --> 01:03:59,267
Speaker 2: you look at combinations, whether it be a loose forward

1328
01:03:59,307 --> 01:04:02,347
Speaker 2: triover locking combination of midfield combo. I think the back

1329
01:04:02,427 --> 01:04:05,347
Speaker 2: three is still a very live conversation. I think we

1330
01:04:05,427 --> 01:04:07,827
Speaker 2: know Will Jordan's one of the three, but I don't

1331
01:04:07,827 --> 01:04:10,027
Speaker 2: think we can say with any degree of absolute certainty

1332
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Speaker 2: that he's going to be fallback. He could end up

1333
01:04:12,387 --> 01:04:15,187
Speaker 2: on the wing. The back three is a live conversation,

1334
01:04:15,347 --> 01:04:18,867
Speaker 2: and I say i'd say will be until the next

1335
01:04:18,947 --> 01:04:21,587
Speaker 2: Rugby World Come one twenty nine. Good to chat, dwnny

1336
01:04:21,907 --> 01:04:23,547
Speaker 2: I one hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more

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Speaker 2: after this one.

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Speaker 1: Crouch hold Ngage Weekend Sport with Jason Tame and GJ.

1339
01:04:30,307 --> 01:04:34,107
Speaker 1: Gunner homes New Zealand's first trusted home, Milder news TALKSB

1340
01:04:34,307 --> 01:04:34,747
Speaker 1: news talks.

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01:04:34,747 --> 01:04:36,307
Speaker 2: There have been a bunch of texts coming through Piney

1342
01:04:36,347 --> 01:04:38,387
Speaker 2: Haggle was two pie when he came on. I think

1343
01:04:38,427 --> 01:04:41,427
Speaker 2: he deserves a start, but also Proctor definitely getting better

1344
01:04:41,507 --> 01:04:43,387
Speaker 2: as well. Agree on both fronts.

1345
01:04:43,427 --> 01:04:46,907
Speaker 24: Hello, Dave, Yeah, good Amen, Oh good game. They got

1346
01:04:47,027 --> 01:04:48,427
Speaker 24: it out so they could do it in the last

1347
01:04:48,507 --> 01:04:50,147
Speaker 24: twenty minutes for seven done for most.

1348
01:04:50,027 --> 01:04:50,347
Speaker 8: Of the year.

1349
01:04:50,587 --> 01:04:52,587
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, good points.

1350
01:04:52,747 --> 01:04:54,667
Speaker 24: A couple of observations before I get onto the main

1351
01:04:54,747 --> 01:04:59,387
Speaker 24: game yesterday. You think I only's going to be coming

1352
01:04:59,467 --> 01:05:02,147
Speaker 24: back and maybe Reese. I think the days are done.

1353
01:05:02,347 --> 01:05:04,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't see sever reefs coming back. Dave, I

1354
01:05:05,147 --> 01:05:08,627
Speaker 2: just don't see scenario under which he is among the

1355
01:05:09,827 --> 01:05:11,707
Speaker 2: top five outside backs anymore.

1356
01:05:11,787 --> 01:05:12,427
Speaker 6: So no for him.

1357
01:05:12,467 --> 01:05:14,427
Speaker 2: I think Ricco Yoani still has a role to play

1358
01:05:14,787 --> 01:05:16,467
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks. I just don't quite know what

1359
01:05:16,587 --> 01:05:16,867
Speaker 2: it is.

1360
01:05:17,707 --> 01:05:18,787
Speaker 6: Just to get a shed together.

1361
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Speaker 24: I think that's the problem my impersonal opinions.

1362
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Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know. I can't get inside

1363
01:05:26,427 --> 01:05:29,227
Speaker 2: Ricca Yoani's head, so I don't know. It's it must

1364
01:05:29,267 --> 01:05:31,187
Speaker 2: have been difficult for him to have to go back

1365
01:05:31,227 --> 01:05:33,707
Speaker 2: onto the wing. I know, you do what is best

1366
01:05:33,747 --> 01:05:35,747
Speaker 2: for the team, but he's played so often at center

1367
01:05:35,787 --> 01:05:37,827
Speaker 2: in the last what three four five years to go

1368
01:05:37,907 --> 01:05:39,187
Speaker 2: back out on the wing, it just looked like it

1369
01:05:39,307 --> 01:05:41,147
Speaker 2: was taking him a bit of time to adjust. Maybe

1370
01:05:41,147 --> 01:05:43,147
Speaker 2: he's lost a yet of speed. I don't know, but

1371
01:05:43,707 --> 01:05:45,707
Speaker 2: but yeah, now I just wonder what his role to

1372
01:05:45,787 --> 01:05:48,387
Speaker 2: play in the All Blacks are still very experienced. Still

1373
01:05:48,387 --> 01:05:49,427
Speaker 2: a role to play, I'm sure, I just.

1374
01:05:49,427 --> 01:05:50,027
Speaker 24: Don't know what it is.

1375
01:05:50,707 --> 01:05:52,147
Speaker 8: Be interesting. Now on to the main game.

1376
01:05:52,387 --> 01:05:53,987
Speaker 5: Yes, I you go on.

1377
01:05:54,467 --> 01:05:56,147
Speaker 2: I actually thought North Harbor were going to take that

1378
01:05:56,227 --> 01:05:56,867
Speaker 2: bloody shield.

1379
01:05:56,907 --> 01:06:00,467
Speaker 24: You know, well, well here's the first Oh yeah, was

1380
01:06:00,507 --> 01:06:01,987
Speaker 24: it you a couple of days ago or the other

1381
01:06:02,067 --> 01:06:05,027
Speaker 24: guy saying it? North Haven might just make your season?

1382
01:06:05,067 --> 01:06:05,347
Speaker 5: And one.

1383
01:06:07,147 --> 01:06:08,587
Speaker 24: Jeff Awson with your heckmands.

1384
01:06:09,307 --> 01:06:11,747
Speaker 2: Absolutely And I watched some highlights of this game, and

1385
01:06:11,787 --> 01:06:13,707
Speaker 2: Otager were better. I mean, at North Harbor have had

1386
01:06:13,747 --> 01:06:16,587
Speaker 2: a pretty grim season, haven't they. But funny things happen

1387
01:06:16,667 --> 01:06:18,267
Speaker 2: when that log is sitting on the sideline. And I

1388
01:06:18,307 --> 01:06:20,427
Speaker 2: thought they and they did initially, Dy'd get up for it.

1389
01:06:20,507 --> 01:06:22,147
Speaker 2: You know, they were ahead. I think they scored the

1390
01:06:22,187 --> 01:06:24,067
Speaker 2: first try. Then there were fourteen seven ahead. But then

1391
01:06:24,067 --> 01:06:26,227
Speaker 2: once the Tiger got their noses in front, it was

1392
01:06:26,307 --> 01:06:28,107
Speaker 2: kind of one way traffic and I'm pleased. I must

1393
01:06:28,147 --> 01:06:31,947
Speaker 2: say for my many good friends in the Dunedin region

1394
01:06:32,067 --> 01:06:33,427
Speaker 2: that you're going to get the shield you know, to

1395
01:06:33,627 --> 01:06:35,547
Speaker 2: enjoy across the across the summer months.

1396
01:06:35,667 --> 01:06:38,307
Speaker 24: Now the warning the young guy before you're saying that

1397
01:06:38,787 --> 01:06:41,227
Speaker 24: you know South Africa and we're only one point behind him.

1398
01:06:41,707 --> 01:06:43,707
Speaker 24: If you've seen the heights of that going, South Africa

1399
01:06:43,787 --> 01:06:45,787
Speaker 24: has just taken another step up from the orbitacks. It's

1400
01:06:45,787 --> 01:06:50,347
Speaker 24: coming sixty three points, unbelievable and Argentina is supposed to

1401
01:06:50,387 --> 01:06:51,587
Speaker 24: be right now.

1402
01:06:51,867 --> 01:06:54,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, Argentina are pretty good defensive side. Normally they fell

1403
01:06:54,347 --> 01:06:55,347
Speaker 2: off a few tackles at the end.

1404
01:06:55,387 --> 01:06:58,787
Speaker 24: But did you see yeah, yeah leading it at some stage.

1405
01:06:59,107 --> 01:07:03,387
Speaker 2: Did you see that Cheeseln Colby incident when he dropped

1406
01:07:03,427 --> 01:07:05,947
Speaker 2: the He did a little drop kick pass from behind

1407
01:07:06,027 --> 01:07:09,107
Speaker 2: the in the end goal area and the referee team

1408
01:07:09,267 --> 01:07:10,827
Speaker 2: the deem that it was a yes. So what happens

1409
01:07:10,867 --> 01:07:12,867
Speaker 2: So the ball gets comes back chessln Cobby forces the

1410
01:07:12,947 --> 01:07:15,987
Speaker 2: ball for the line dropout and then he he kicks

1411
01:07:16,067 --> 01:07:18,947
Speaker 2: it to one of his teammates who he who was

1412
01:07:19,027 --> 01:07:21,267
Speaker 2: going to then do the do the line dropout, but

1413
01:07:21,747 --> 01:07:24,867
Speaker 2: he drop kicked it to his mate. The ball went

1414
01:07:24,907 --> 01:07:27,507
Speaker 2: into the field of play Argentina. Guy picks it up,

1415
01:07:27,787 --> 01:07:30,587
Speaker 2: dives over and scores a try. They go back and

1416
01:07:30,627 --> 01:07:32,867
Speaker 2: look at it and say, yeah, Chesslin, that counts as

1417
01:07:32,867 --> 01:07:34,707
Speaker 2: a line dropout, mate, it's a try.

1418
01:07:35,667 --> 01:07:38,747
Speaker 24: Oh interesting referee decisions unless it was one of Ready's

1419
01:07:39,347 --> 01:07:40,227
Speaker 24: official plays with.

1420
01:07:40,307 --> 01:07:40,787
Speaker 6: The line out.

1421
01:07:41,107 --> 01:07:41,307
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1422
01:07:41,627 --> 01:07:43,587
Speaker 2: I guess what you'd say is if Cheslyn Cobby had

1423
01:07:43,627 --> 01:07:46,067
Speaker 2: drop kicked it into the into the arms of his

1424
01:07:46,147 --> 01:07:47,827
Speaker 2: own teammate the run length of the field, it would

1425
01:07:47,827 --> 01:07:51,587
Speaker 2: have been hailed as genius. Dave good to chat mate,

1426
01:07:51,667 --> 01:07:52,347
Speaker 2: enjoy the shield.

1427
01:07:52,707 --> 01:07:58,147
Speaker 10: Andrew High High spoke to yesterday for the game in

1428
01:07:58,227 --> 01:07:58,787
Speaker 10: the scand zone.

1429
01:07:59,107 --> 01:08:02,867
Speaker 2: Yes, good, oh good mate, it was good to good

1430
01:08:02,907 --> 01:08:04,627
Speaker 2: to get the chance to chat face to face with you.

1431
01:08:04,907 --> 01:08:06,707
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to remember your prediction and I think

1432
01:08:06,707 --> 01:08:07,747
Speaker 2: you might have been quite close.

1433
01:08:08,787 --> 01:08:10,787
Speaker 25: As I said fifteen plush did.

1434
01:08:11,347 --> 01:08:13,667
Speaker 2: I was just trying to be nice Andrew, Sorry, mate.

1435
01:08:14,707 --> 01:08:17,347
Speaker 26: Yeah, I said I had had a call every before,

1436
01:08:17,427 --> 01:08:20,147
Speaker 26: so yeah, I said, I call through and yeah, it's

1437
01:08:20,147 --> 01:08:24,107
Speaker 26: a pretty good game on TV yet, but not at

1438
01:08:24,147 --> 01:08:24,427
Speaker 26: the game.

1439
01:08:24,507 --> 01:08:27,627
Speaker 25: I actually thought that we were It was pretty even matched.

1440
01:08:27,627 --> 01:08:30,507
Speaker 25: I don't really feel like we were that dominant. A

1441
01:08:30,587 --> 01:08:32,907
Speaker 25: lot of the commentary and talk today is that we

1442
01:08:33,107 --> 01:08:35,067
Speaker 25: were dominant. But I have to watch it on TV.

1443
01:08:35,147 --> 01:08:37,547
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I didn't as I was watching it.

1444
01:08:37,587 --> 01:08:39,347
Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't it. You you're a bit like me.

1445
01:08:39,427 --> 01:08:41,467
Speaker 2: You watch the game live and then you get so

1446
01:08:41,627 --> 01:08:43,587
Speaker 2: used to watching games on TV, don't you, And you

1447
01:08:43,667 --> 01:08:45,947
Speaker 2: get all the angles and the analysis and all that

1448
01:08:45,987 --> 01:08:47,467
Speaker 2: sort of thing, and you often have to watch it

1449
01:08:47,587 --> 01:08:49,747
Speaker 2: back if you if you're at the game, watch it

1450
01:08:49,827 --> 01:08:51,707
Speaker 2: back to sort of catch up on a few things.

1451
01:08:51,747 --> 01:08:53,227
Speaker 2: I felt it felt like an even game to me

1452
01:08:53,307 --> 01:08:55,547
Speaker 2: as well. Andrew. I thought there was a period early

1453
01:08:55,627 --> 01:08:57,427
Speaker 2: in the second half. Was it when James' kinda didn't

1454
01:08:57,427 --> 01:09:00,187
Speaker 2: find touch with that penalty and then Australia had a

1455
01:09:00,227 --> 01:09:01,707
Speaker 2: couple of penalties against them and all of it. I

1456
01:09:01,827 --> 01:09:03,907
Speaker 2: just felt like the momentum of the game shifted at

1457
01:09:03,947 --> 01:09:04,507
Speaker 2: that stage.

1458
01:09:05,547 --> 01:09:05,747
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1459
01:09:06,627 --> 01:09:09,067
Speaker 25: Yeah, And I think the Wallabies will kind of feel

1460
01:09:09,107 --> 01:09:10,787
Speaker 25: like they let one slip together us because they were

1461
01:09:11,187 --> 01:09:14,707
Speaker 25: right out at the year really, so I think they'll

1462
01:09:14,707 --> 01:09:17,067
Speaker 25: be a bit disappointed, but I was kind of expecting

1463
01:09:17,507 --> 01:09:19,587
Speaker 25: you after that lost a couple of weeks ago. I

1464
01:09:19,707 --> 01:09:21,947
Speaker 25: thought the All Blacks sort of had to come out

1465
01:09:22,027 --> 01:09:25,667
Speaker 25: and really dominate and had a big victory, not in

1466
01:09:25,827 --> 01:09:28,547
Speaker 25: terms of points, but just be dominant for the majority

1467
01:09:28,547 --> 01:09:29,947
Speaker 25: of the game, and just didn't really see that.

1468
01:09:30,147 --> 01:09:31,587
Speaker 14: So got a little bit.

1469
01:09:32,427 --> 01:09:34,267
Speaker 25: Yeah, a little bit disappointed, but you know, a win's

1470
01:09:34,267 --> 01:09:35,827
Speaker 25: a win, and something got to take it.

1471
01:09:36,147 --> 01:09:38,667
Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely right. Hey, nice to meet you yesterday. Mate,

1472
01:09:38,667 --> 01:09:40,187
Speaker 2: Thanks for stepping up to the mic and things. For

1473
01:09:40,787 --> 01:09:42,627
Speaker 2: giving us a bell today. May I'm sure we'll talk

1474
01:09:42,627 --> 01:09:44,867
Speaker 2: again at some stage in the next a little while.

1475
01:09:45,867 --> 01:09:47,707
Speaker 2: They will do us for All Blacks talk. I think

1476
01:09:47,787 --> 01:09:49,227
Speaker 2: I think we've got to move. Yes, we do. Thanks

1477
01:09:49,267 --> 01:09:50,787
Speaker 2: for everybody's trying to get throw on the phones and

1478
01:09:50,907 --> 01:09:53,467
Speaker 2: all the text as well. Just a couple of final ones. Hey,

1479
01:09:53,467 --> 01:09:55,027
Speaker 2: they're pinety happy to get the win, even though I

1480
01:09:55,067 --> 01:09:56,987
Speaker 2: thought for most of it we were seeking best, says Luke.

1481
01:09:57,387 --> 01:09:59,747
Speaker 2: My big concern is protecting our own ball at the breakdown.

1482
01:09:59,827 --> 01:10:01,667
Speaker 2: Sure we're winning a few on defense, but without looking

1483
01:10:01,707 --> 01:10:04,147
Speaker 2: at stats, I'd say we're losing more than we're winning.

1484
01:10:04,227 --> 01:10:07,147
Speaker 2: Nice to see the women arraysed last week and finished third.

1485
01:10:07,187 --> 01:10:10,347
Speaker 2: Indeed it was luke, thanks mate. Chile are wonder ahead

1486
01:10:10,347 --> 01:10:12,387
Speaker 2: of New Zealand. This is the Under twenty World Cup,

1487
01:10:12,467 --> 01:10:14,787
Speaker 2: the opening match. This is in Chile, so it's the

1488
01:10:14,827 --> 01:10:17,707
Speaker 2: host nation. Big crowd there. New Zealand had a really

1489
01:10:17,747 --> 01:10:21,867
Speaker 2: good chance at nilaw to open the scoring accordn't. Chili

1490
01:10:21,947 --> 01:10:23,547
Speaker 2: went down the other end and scored there. I had

1491
01:10:23,587 --> 01:10:25,867
Speaker 2: one nil with twelve minutes ago. And this is the

1492
01:10:25,947 --> 01:10:28,307
Speaker 2: first group match for New Zealand at the Under twenty

1493
01:10:28,387 --> 01:10:33,267
Speaker 2: World Cup in Chile. James mccony up next, You be

1494
01:10:33,387 --> 01:10:33,907
Speaker 2: the TMO.

1495
01:10:34,187 --> 01:10:36,547
Speaker 1: Have yours say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1496
01:10:36,747 --> 01:10:41,427
Speaker 1: Weekends Sport with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, new Zealand's

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Speaker 1: most trusted home builder News Talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be news Talks had been Weekend Sport. It's coming

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Speaker 2: up eighteen away from two Sunday afternoons. James mcconey Hello, James, Hello.

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Speaker 27: Piney, saw you last night and doing great work. Obviously,

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Speaker 27: there's ZBAT team right beside the ACC team at Eden Park.

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Speaker 2: The ACC team just does I did. I did enjoy

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Speaker 2: a social media post. I'm not sure if you've seen,

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Speaker 2: and you probably have of the comparison between your lead

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Speaker 2: caller at the ACC, Mike Lane and his team notes

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Speaker 2: in front of him, which is basically just a list

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Speaker 2: of names, alongside Elliott Smith, the z B caller. With

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Speaker 2: a bit more detail, you might.

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Speaker 27: Say, yeah, we were pretty much cheating, like you do,

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Speaker 27: you know, like you shouldn't do in an exam off

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Speaker 27: Elliott's notes, which are impressive, and thank goodness, the glasses

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Speaker 27: right there so we can see him. We've really just

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Speaker 27: got nicknames listed for everybody. We won't have to go

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Speaker 27: through those today. But how good was Cam Roygard? Oh goodness?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I just you know, you don't want to sort of,

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Speaker 2: I guess credit the upswing of a team. You know,

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Speaker 2: we'll credit one guy with the upswing of a team.

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Speaker 2: But man, how much have we missed that guy? And

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Speaker 2: how much further ahead of all of the other halfbacks

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Speaker 2: is he at the moment?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 28: I know.

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Speaker 27: It's interesting because after only thirteen tests, is so important

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Speaker 27: to the All Black Chiff to go back to people

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Speaker 27: like Michael Jones and Joan oh Lomo, even Andrew Mertins

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Speaker 27: early towards was really crucial to the All Blacks right,

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Speaker 27: and so that's where cam Royguard is right now. And

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Speaker 27: it's great. We're watching an athlete peaking and his confidence

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Speaker 27: as an stram mentioned is at another level, just confidence

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Speaker 27: in his game. The good thing is that he's twenty four,

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Speaker 27: so twenty six at the next World Cup Ardiot the

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Speaker 27: one after that. We hoped we've got a few more

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Speaker 27: years of cam Royguard, but you know, in a bigger

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Speaker 27: halfback as well, when everyone else seems to be going smaller.

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Speaker 27: Of the major nations Ireland and France and South Africa,

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Speaker 27: even Australia quite small, you know, so he bucks the trend.

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Speaker 27: He's a freak, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Just and yeah, that robust nature that he brings to

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Speaker 2: to his play in all areas and just as little

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Speaker 2: it had I'd forgotten. I watch the highlights back this morning.

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Speaker 2: A little little tap and go from a penalty, just

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Speaker 2: you know, putting down in the mind of the opposition.

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Speaker 2: He snipes for the tribe that Lee Roy Carter scored.

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Speaker 2: The second one he snips, bring a couple of defenders

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Speaker 2: in and makes it a room for Leroy Carter. He's

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Speaker 2: just he's just at the scene of the crime every

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Speaker 2: time New Zealand have a significant moment.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, And next on Leroy Carter and Simon Parker. I

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Speaker 27: just wanted to give a shout out to him because

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Speaker 27: that's taking on a lot early in their careers. And

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Speaker 27: I thought Leroy Carter's tackle on Corey Tool in full

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Speaker 27: flight when I mean Corey Tool is so rapid and

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Speaker 27: he was sidestepping Lero Carter read it and meet him

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Speaker 27: and absolutely planted him in the ground. So you know,

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Speaker 27: having a defender like that is great out wide. And

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Speaker 27: Simon Parker, you can't underrate, overrate you know what he's

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Speaker 27: done because he's he's freeing out Artie Savia, he's freeing

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Speaker 27: up while he's doing the graft and and he's doing

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Speaker 27: it well. So shout out to them. And also I

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Speaker 27: thought out midfield, you know, played well shutting down Sole

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Speaker 27: Jordi Barrett. I like that hybrid role from fullback, you know,

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Speaker 27: to second five. I mean why not first fives are

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Speaker 27: always in the backfield. And Quinty Pye coming on was fantastic.

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Speaker 27: But there was one moment Poney and I know that

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Speaker 27: you played a clip earlier of Caleb Clark when he

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Speaker 27: realized he was surprised by a Ronnie Clark, his dad

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Speaker 27: singing the anthem. What the voice of an angel? But

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Speaker 27: I know that you spoke to him, but he also

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Speaker 27: spoke the sky and this caught my attention, so herriots.

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Speaker 18: I had my eyes closed for most of us, I

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Speaker 18: wasn't crying, but then thought the English part, probably halfway

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Speaker 18: through the English part of the anthem, I'm like, I

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Speaker 18: know this voice.

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Speaker 5: I know this voice.

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Speaker 2: And the whole time while he's next to.

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Speaker 18: Me tapping me on the shoulder, going yes bro, and

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Speaker 18: I was like, I opened my eyes and I look

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Speaker 18: at the screen.

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Speaker 2: I see my dad.

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Speaker 28: I went.

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Speaker 18: That's when I just sort of bawling my eyes out.

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Speaker 18: So I was real special. I was just talking to

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Speaker 18: my family. None of them knew.

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Speaker 2: Either, so that was real cool.

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Speaker 8: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love that. It's so authentic, isn't it.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, It's just an amazing moment. And you think, like,

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Speaker 27: you know, how Americans do that, do that quite well,

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Speaker 27: just you know, making things poignant. Whitney Houston singing the

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Speaker 27: national anthem at the Super Bowl, things like that, and

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Speaker 27: that was another level. So we are owning it in

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Speaker 27: terms of theatrics, feeling the fields. We got everyone in

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Speaker 27: the fields with that I defy anyone not to have

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Speaker 27: felt something when they saw a Ronnie singing and Caleb crying.

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Speaker 27: Come on, now, it's one of the great moments in

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Speaker 27: New Zealand sporting history.

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Speaker 2: And tens of thousands, if not more, of people have

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Speaker 2: said that video is gone. As they say, James, it's

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Speaker 2: gone viral. So yeah, it's everywhere. It's everywhere, and you're right,

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Speaker 2: a very very special and very poignant moment. Now, can

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Speaker 2: the Broncos beat the Panthers tonight or not?

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Speaker 27: Well, it's interesting because you've got the two most influential

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Speaker 27: players on both sides similar roughly the same size, Nathan

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Speaker 27: Cleary and Reese Walsh, and they will have their hands

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Speaker 27: on everything. And you couldn't think of two players who

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Speaker 27: are more different. Just you know, lightning in a bottle.

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Speaker 27: He is reslightning, he's you know, mercurial. Sometimes things don't

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Speaker 27: come off, but he's really got you know, he's shot

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Speaker 27: out of a cannon speed. He's just so dangerous. And

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Speaker 27: then Nathan Cleary is the master at this level, just

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Speaker 27: the puppet master, pulling the strings and and so I'm

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Speaker 27: I'm thinking the Panthers can get up and and I

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Speaker 27: like that because I know some people want the Broncos

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Speaker 27: to go through, but for me, it's like heavyweight boxing,

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Speaker 27: you're only the champ if you beat the champ. So

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Speaker 27: I actually do want the Storm to play the Panthers.

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Speaker 2: It's funny at the start, sort of at the start

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Speaker 2: of the season, even halfway through the season, we're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: there's some you know, different teams. Canberra is going to

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Speaker 2: you know, do Well, and Brisbane are there or thereabouts,

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Speaker 2: and the Bulldogs and who knows even the Warriors. But

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Speaker 2: here we are one week away from having the Storm

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Speaker 2: against the Panthers again.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, and that's a great narrative because I like the

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Speaker 27: fact that the cream rises to the top. You don't

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Speaker 27: want to have to have somebody who can't handle the

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Speaker 27: enormity of the Grand Final because that's even more pressure, right,

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Speaker 27: So yeah, bring on the heavyweights and of course if

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Speaker 27: whoever goes through to that Grand Final. Now that jar

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Speaker 27: Orham Hughes is combining with Harry Grant, I mean, there's

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Speaker 27: two of the best in history. And I think Jerome

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Speaker 27: is I mean as a KIWIS player, I mean, and

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Speaker 27: myself as a Kiwis fan watching them all out there

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Speaker 27: contributing I mean there's about five on each side, you know,

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Speaker 27: five kiwis, maybe more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to see the kiwi's involved in the

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Speaker 2: business end, even if the Warriors aren't to be Hey

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Speaker 2: are the women's are black Ferns come home with a

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Speaker 2: bronze medal from the Rugby World Cup, beating France in

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Speaker 2: the game for third and fourth this morning. How do

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Speaker 2: you think they'll reflect on their tournament.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, they'll be bummed out because they definitely had the

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Speaker 27: potential to go and trouble England. I don't know if

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Speaker 27: they would have got up and beaten England, but that

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Speaker 27: was really good to see them, you know, get it together,

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Speaker 27: just put there's some Champagne rugby. I mean, the try

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Speaker 27: Rene home score is a beautiful team try So the

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Speaker 27: school level is elite and I think there's a few

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Speaker 27: players who really stood out, and of course we're just

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Speaker 27: waiting for someone like Georgia Miller is a bit like

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Speaker 27: cam Royguard in terms of her influence on that team

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Speaker 27: already you know, early doors and she's pretty much the

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Speaker 27: best player, so what's you know, her development with interest.

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Speaker 27: But I was caught by the fact that John Mitchell

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Speaker 27: a redemption story for Mitch who coached the England women

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Speaker 27: to World Cup glory.

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Speaker 7: And I know that.

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Speaker 27: You know he was made fun of when he was

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Speaker 27: with the Old Blacks talking about the journey and also

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Speaker 27: when he was Western Force coach. He really wanted this.

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Speaker 2: A proper rectangular stadium. I repeat, a proper rectangular stadium.

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Speaker 27: Well he got what he wanted, Pony.

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Speaker 8: He was in Twiking and you know what that is.

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Speaker 27: It's a proper rectangular stadium and he brought it home.

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Speaker 27: So and he talked about it in the press conference

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Speaker 27: that it was like climbing a mountain. So he hasn't

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Speaker 27: let go of the journey at all. He's just going

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Speaker 27: up instead of across. So good on you, Mitch. He's

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Speaker 27: one of my childhood heroes when he was captain of

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Speaker 27: Ye Cuttle and I as a fan, I actually sends

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Speaker 27: him a lot of faxes back in the day. You

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Speaker 27: remember that I actually got found guilty of Mitch faxing,

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Speaker 27: so had.

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Speaker 8: To stop that.

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Speaker 2: Just before you go, are you keeping an eye on

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Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup?

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Speaker 27: Yes, Scottie Scheffler has just got the worst record ever,

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Speaker 27: the first player in Ryder Cup history to go oh

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Speaker 27: and for the first four sessions, so I can't believe that.

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Speaker 27: So yes, Europe incredible. It's hard to remember the golf

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Speaker 27: because everyone's pulling focus from wags to fans. But it's

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Speaker 27: a good theater and it finishes tomorrow morning, so if

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Speaker 27: you can get up early, it still might be worth

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Speaker 27: a watch.

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Speaker 7: I reckon James.

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Speaker 2: Always good chatting to you. Great to see you in

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Speaker 2: person as well a couple of days ago. Hopefully that

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Speaker 2: happens again soon. Our will chat next Sunday if that

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Speaker 2: works with your very busy schedule.

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Speaker 27: Oh, I was as emotional as Caleb seeing you at

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Speaker 27: sky It was great for me mate, beautiful, beautiful moment.

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Speaker 2: Thanks good to chat as always, James mcconey, huge part

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Speaker 2: of our Sundays about this time every Sunday afternoon on

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport ninety two.

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Speaker 1: The good from the track, field and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sort Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News.

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Speaker 2: Talk News Talks b just on five and a half

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Speaker 2: away from two, just circling back to the rugby quickly,

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Speaker 2: Cam Roy Guard the standout performer for the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: last night. I think I saw one Man of the match,

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Speaker 2: Player of the day, Standout performer Poll that had him

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Speaker 2: at sixty five sixty six percent of the votes that

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Speaker 2: had come through for the most Influential player out there.

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Speaker 2: This off the back, of course, a period where he

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Speaker 2: was on the sidelines through injury. How was cam Roy

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Speaker 2: guard after the game last night?

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01:21:04,307 --> 01:21:04,827
Speaker 5: It was awesome.

1708
01:21:05,867 --> 01:21:08,507
Speaker 22: Yeah, to replicate Test match footy and you know against

1709
01:21:08,507 --> 01:21:09,067
Speaker 22: the Wallabies.

1710
01:21:09,067 --> 01:21:11,187
Speaker 2: We've had some quality of Test matches in.

1711
01:21:11,187 --> 01:21:13,907
Speaker 22: The past and yeah, this one was no different where

1712
01:21:13,947 --> 01:21:15,427
Speaker 22: the whole had to go, the whole eighty. You know,

1713
01:21:15,467 --> 01:21:17,507
Speaker 22: they're a team that's got a lot of heart, especially

1714
01:21:17,587 --> 01:21:21,067
Speaker 22: under Joschmit's coaching, and yeah, I guess put out the

1715
01:21:21,067 --> 01:21:24,427
Speaker 22: performance there close it out was pretty special.

1716
01:21:24,627 --> 01:21:26,227
Speaker 2: It looked pretty special when you score that try at

1717
01:21:26,227 --> 01:21:27,587
Speaker 2: the end of their but of a botion wrapped around

1718
01:21:27,627 --> 01:21:28,627
Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, that's right.

1719
01:21:28,947 --> 01:21:30,747
Speaker 22: I was pretty nervous once I threw the ball away.

1720
01:21:31,027 --> 01:21:32,507
Speaker 22: I was pretty aware of the shot clock. I didn't

1721
01:21:32,507 --> 01:21:35,547
Speaker 22: want to do any stitch ups, so any muck ups

1722
01:21:35,747 --> 01:21:38,147
Speaker 22: for the butt dmak any more pressure than he was under.

1723
01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,307
Speaker 22: But yeah, I might get might get a word to

1724
01:21:40,427 --> 01:21:43,547
Speaker 22: after after the game, I think, But yeah, it's hard

1725
01:21:43,667 --> 01:21:44,627
Speaker 22: hard to beat a moment like that.

1726
01:21:44,747 --> 01:21:46,427
Speaker 2: Scoring pretty much under the post in front of a

1727
01:21:46,467 --> 01:21:49,307
Speaker 2: Pat gad and park. How have the last four or

1728
01:21:49,347 --> 01:21:51,387
Speaker 2: five weeks been for you watching the team not being

1729
01:21:51,427 --> 01:21:54,347
Speaker 2: able to help. Yeah, pretty frustrating. And I guess, you

1730
01:21:54,467 --> 01:21:57,667
Speaker 2: know the emotion of my not being in the group.

1731
01:21:57,707 --> 01:21:59,347
Speaker 2: I was probably writing it like a fan, you know.

1732
01:21:59,507 --> 01:22:03,027
Speaker 22: And there are some performances obviously the South Africa tests

1733
01:22:03,067 --> 01:22:05,747
Speaker 22: that we didn't get right, and it hurt a lot

1734
01:22:05,827 --> 01:22:07,707
Speaker 22: to be able to I guess, not add my value

1735
01:22:07,787 --> 01:22:10,907
Speaker 22: and being able to be a part of that, And yeah,

1736
01:22:10,947 --> 01:22:13,947
Speaker 22: I guess it's just so grateful to be back, and yeah,

1737
01:22:14,067 --> 01:22:15,747
Speaker 22: moments like this is what it's worth us while we

1738
01:22:15,787 --> 01:22:17,947
Speaker 22: work hard, and yeah, just pretty stoked.

1739
01:22:18,267 --> 01:22:21,387
Speaker 2: That is cam Roy Guard after the final whistle last night.

1740
01:22:21,747 --> 01:22:24,787
Speaker 2: It's approaching four to two after two o'clock. Nee Fisher Black,

1741
01:22:25,267 --> 01:22:27,627
Speaker 2: She's become the first Key WE writer male or female

1742
01:22:27,667 --> 01:22:30,107
Speaker 2: to get on the podium at the Road World Champs.

1743
01:22:30,587 --> 01:22:34,507
Speaker 2: Second in the Elite road race in Rwanda this morning.

1744
01:22:34,827 --> 01:22:36,707
Speaker 2: Going to put that into context for you with dal

1745
01:22:36,747 --> 01:22:40,747
Speaker 2: Woodfoot and it's coming up fifty years since the Thriller

1746
01:22:40,867 --> 01:22:44,547
Speaker 2: in Manila, the third and final professional bout between Muhammad

1747
01:22:44,547 --> 01:22:47,747
Speaker 2: Ali and Joe Fraser for the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

1748
01:22:47,827 --> 01:22:50,987
Speaker 2: We're still talking about it half a century later. Prolific

1749
01:22:51,067 --> 01:22:53,187
Speaker 2: boxing writer Thomas Hauser.

1750
01:22:52,907 --> 01:22:53,187
Speaker 7: On that.

1751
01:22:55,067 --> 01:22:57,907
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest boards issues on

1752
01:22:58,347 --> 01:23:01,667
Speaker 1: and after fields, It's all on Winter and Ford with

1753
01:23:01,907 --> 01:23:04,507
Speaker 1: Jason Paine on your Home of Sport.

1754
01:23:05,427 --> 01:23:06,227
Speaker 8: What used to.

1755
01:23:08,027 --> 01:23:10,467
Speaker 2: Six minutes past two? I'm Jason Pine. This is Weekend Sport.

1756
01:23:10,507 --> 01:23:13,147
Speaker 2: Annie McDonald is producing the show. We're here for another hour,

1757
01:23:13,227 --> 01:23:17,507
Speaker 2: then Tim Beveridge takes over to the Weekend Collector. Before

1758
01:23:17,547 --> 01:23:20,147
Speaker 2: we get there, I want to talk some boxing. The

1759
01:23:20,347 --> 01:23:23,507
Speaker 2: fifty year anniversary of the Thriller in Manila coming up

1760
01:23:24,067 --> 01:23:27,347
Speaker 2: this week. I want to relive that with Thomas Houser,

1761
01:23:27,907 --> 01:23:32,187
Speaker 2: prolific boxing writer and journalist. I want to cover off

1762
01:23:32,427 --> 01:23:39,267
Speaker 2: Neave Fisher blacks history making podium at the UCI World

1763
01:23:39,387 --> 01:23:42,987
Speaker 2: Championships in Rwanda. First time any key we male or

1764
01:23:43,067 --> 01:23:47,227
Speaker 2: female has ever got on the podium at an elite

1765
01:23:47,307 --> 01:23:51,147
Speaker 2: road race at a UCI World Championship. Cycling expert Dell

1766
01:23:51,187 --> 01:23:53,867
Speaker 2: Woodford going to talk to us about that and NRL

1767
01:23:53,907 --> 01:23:56,267
Speaker 2: as well, with Brad Walter, the Melbourne Stormer through to

1768
01:23:56,307 --> 01:23:59,867
Speaker 2: the Grand Final. Who joins them Broncos or Panthers will

1769
01:24:00,027 --> 01:24:03,027
Speaker 2: preview that one for you as well. Email here from

1770
01:24:03,067 --> 01:24:05,467
Speaker 2: Glenn Jason. Hello, I know the All Blacks will be

1771
01:24:05,507 --> 01:24:09,147
Speaker 2: your focus today. Spare a moment to mention the incredible

1772
01:24:09,227 --> 01:24:13,387
Speaker 2: Crystal Palace. This morning was a meeting of the only

1773
01:24:13,467 --> 01:24:16,747
Speaker 2: two unbeaten sides in the Premier League. Now there's only one.

1774
01:24:17,347 --> 01:24:20,787
Speaker 2: Palace will almost denied their rightful and deserved win by

1775
01:24:20,827 --> 01:24:24,387
Speaker 2: a late Liverpool equalizer. But we are a serious team,

1776
01:24:24,947 --> 01:24:29,747
Speaker 2: fearing nobody. When our eighteen games unbeaten in all competitions,

1777
01:24:29,787 --> 01:24:32,827
Speaker 2: twelve in the Premier League, that is no fluke, says Glenn.

1778
01:24:33,427 --> 01:24:37,307
Speaker 2: After decades of angst and often misery as a Palace fan,

1779
01:24:37,467 --> 01:24:40,987
Speaker 2: it is now a joyous and exciting experience every time

1780
01:24:41,107 --> 01:24:44,707
Speaker 2: they take the field. Come on you, Palace, says Glenn.

1781
01:24:45,067 --> 01:24:47,707
Speaker 2: Good on you, Glenn, glad you enjoyed that. As a

1782
01:24:47,747 --> 01:24:51,107
Speaker 2: Liverpool fan, I didn't enjoy it quite so much, but

1783
01:24:51,427 --> 01:24:53,827
Speaker 2: I'm delighted for you, my friend. Thank you for taking

1784
01:24:53,867 --> 01:24:56,987
Speaker 2: the time to email. You might even find your team

1785
01:24:57,187 --> 01:24:59,427
Speaker 2: showing up in our next feature, which of course always

1786
01:24:59,547 --> 01:25:02,747
Speaker 2: comes around it about this time on Weekend Sport. We

1787
01:25:02,907 --> 01:25:04,067
Speaker 2: like to get you up to date with some of

1788
01:25:04,067 --> 01:25:06,787
Speaker 2: the stuff that might have scatted your attention some of

1789
01:25:06,867 --> 01:25:10,907
Speaker 2: the sporting moments from the last twenty four hours or

1790
01:25:10,947 --> 01:25:13,867
Speaker 2: so that you might have missed in Casimist. It's starting

1791
01:25:13,947 --> 01:25:18,467
Speaker 2: with the Australian National Basketball League and another disappointing outing

1792
01:25:18,507 --> 01:25:21,587
Speaker 2: for the Breakers, falling to the Wildcats at home last night.

1793
01:25:21,827 --> 01:25:23,947
Speaker 2: You're on the longest road trip in the NBL.

1794
01:25:24,907 --> 01:25:29,187
Speaker 3: Here's really pop put me in the game. I've got

1795
01:25:29,347 --> 01:25:34,107
Speaker 3: him and the Wildcats of Rally, New Zealand led seventy

1796
01:25:34,187 --> 01:25:35,187
Speaker 3: four sixty four.

1797
01:25:35,947 --> 01:25:39,507
Speaker 2: It's twenty's of four since then. Good night too little,

1798
01:25:40,067 --> 01:25:44,107
Speaker 2: says ad else. So the Breakers zero and three, desperately

1799
01:25:44,227 --> 01:25:48,067
Speaker 2: searching for their first win under new ownership. On the

1800
01:25:48,147 --> 01:25:51,707
Speaker 2: subject of Glenn's email, it took ninety seven minutes, but

1801
01:25:51,827 --> 01:25:55,347
Speaker 2: Crystal Palace are now the only undefeated team in the

1802
01:25:55,427 --> 01:25:56,187
Speaker 2: Premier League.

1803
01:25:57,107 --> 01:26:01,987
Speaker 18: Hold him by lubber good trajectory on that shoes has

1804
01:26:02,027 --> 01:26:02,547
Speaker 18: a katy.

1805
01:26:06,467 --> 01:26:07,027
Speaker 7: He's been.

1806
01:26:08,907 --> 01:26:11,187
Speaker 2: Crystal Palace toupled.

1807
01:26:11,267 --> 01:26:15,187
Speaker 5: The Chapions leave the eighth minute at stuffage time.

1808
01:26:16,787 --> 01:26:20,307
Speaker 2: He never calls un beating start to the season. He's

1809
01:26:20,467 --> 01:26:24,827
Speaker 2: surely over Big Tree for Crystal Palace. Yes, they're very

1810
01:26:24,867 --> 01:26:27,547
Speaker 2: late when are handing Liverpool their first defeat of the

1811
01:26:27,667 --> 01:26:32,107
Speaker 2: season to the Australian Rules Final thumping performance saw the

1812
01:26:32,187 --> 01:26:35,347
Speaker 2: Brisbane Lions go back to back in the AFL pick up.

1813
01:26:35,387 --> 01:26:38,467
Speaker 2: Here by lecture super for hands for McCluggage and meal.

1814
01:26:38,867 --> 01:26:41,387
Speaker 7: He says, you run, You're better of this than I have.

1815
01:26:41,787 --> 01:26:46,507
Speaker 28: He can sneak one here a clogging tram, He's got another.

1816
01:26:47,187 --> 01:26:51,027
Speaker 2: This celebration is kicked on mcclaggage. He's gotta be in

1817
01:26:51,107 --> 01:26:54,427
Speaker 2: the voting. This is one of the great Grand Fold

1818
01:26:54,547 --> 01:26:58,467
Speaker 2: victories that I've ever seen. One two seventy five the

1819
01:26:58,507 --> 01:27:02,307
Speaker 2: Brisbane Lions over Geelong. Meantime, closer to home, the Ranfurley

1820
01:27:02,387 --> 01:27:05,987
Speaker 2: Shield has been locked away for the summer up and

1821
01:27:06,107 --> 01:27:09,827
Speaker 2: right touch Jeffer Chase, where's the belt? Who's going to

1822
01:27:09,947 --> 01:27:10,187
Speaker 2: get it?

1823
01:27:10,347 --> 01:27:10,827
Speaker 5: Oo?

1824
01:27:11,467 --> 01:27:15,227
Speaker 2: O'tago have sport? And there's that Dyler Pledge wonder Voyer.

1825
01:27:15,467 --> 01:27:19,387
Speaker 2: Unbelievable stuff from this magic man Otiger winning forty one

1826
01:27:19,507 --> 01:27:23,147
Speaker 2: twenty six, leaving North Harbor oh and nine just one

1827
01:27:23,267 --> 01:27:27,147
Speaker 2: last chance to register a win this NPC season. The

1828
01:27:27,227 --> 01:27:31,227
Speaker 2: spring Box smashed Argentina on the back of a thirty

1829
01:27:31,427 --> 01:27:33,947
Speaker 2: seven point outing for their star first five.

1830
01:27:34,467 --> 01:27:38,467
Speaker 5: Playing on advantage still Young hundred vessels and fine bergem

1831
01:27:38,507 --> 01:27:39,627
Speaker 5: Bamazulu and.

1832
01:27:43,347 --> 01:27:47,227
Speaker 2: He has a hat trick, So a hat trick forr

1833
01:27:47,307 --> 01:27:51,907
Speaker 2: Sasha find the Gamasulu in German the first tree driers

1834
01:27:52,587 --> 01:27:55,947
Speaker 2: of his chest career sixty seven point thirty. The final

1835
01:27:56,027 --> 01:27:59,667
Speaker 2: score to South Africa over Argentina. The Black Ferns at

1836
01:27:59,747 --> 01:28:02,507
Speaker 2: least leave their Rugby World Cup with some silverware.

1837
01:28:02,747 --> 01:28:05,827
Speaker 22: Does well to get the skipper to Grackson Science and

1838
01:28:05,907 --> 01:28:08,707
Speaker 22: McGee who puts her ears downe and finds.

1839
01:28:08,427 --> 01:28:12,827
Speaker 19: Georgia Mala, Georgia Mala. She's done it in a.

1840
01:28:13,147 --> 01:28:18,507
Speaker 2: Fall tournaments Altos Laura Bayfield and they go back to back,

1841
01:28:18,827 --> 01:28:22,547
Speaker 2: two back to back, vading France in the third place

1842
01:28:22,627 --> 01:28:24,707
Speaker 2: play off forty two to twenty six. But it was

1843
01:28:24,907 --> 01:28:29,067
Speaker 2: England finally, who are women's rugby World champions? Had did

1844
01:28:29,107 --> 01:28:31,267
Speaker 2: it been their line? Now they have got eyes on

1845
01:28:31,427 --> 01:28:35,787
Speaker 2: Canada's Eddie Ward goes once more. Eddie Ward is close away.

1846
01:28:35,867 --> 01:28:37,747
Speaker 2: It comes on netews.

1847
01:28:41,587 --> 01:28:46,787
Speaker 3: Ellas nephews the seak and try in the final perhaps

1848
01:28:46,867 --> 01:28:50,027
Speaker 3: the one the line steed at home.

1849
01:28:51,387 --> 01:28:53,627
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line. You made a call

1850
01:28:53,827 --> 01:28:57,067
Speaker 1: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with

1851
01:28:57,267 --> 01:28:58,907
Speaker 1: Jason Pine News Talks.

1852
01:28:58,707 --> 01:29:02,187
Speaker 2: EB News TALKSB Weekend Sport twelve minutes past two October

1853
01:29:02,387 --> 01:29:06,627
Speaker 2: fe This coming Wednesday will mark the fiftieth anniversary of

1854
01:29:06,787 --> 01:29:09,427
Speaker 2: the Thriller in Manila. Regarded by men, he is the

1855
01:29:09,507 --> 01:29:12,907
Speaker 2: greatest prize fight of all time. The third and final

1856
01:29:12,987 --> 01:29:16,787
Speaker 2: professional bout between Muhammad Ali and Joe Fraser for the

1857
01:29:16,827 --> 01:29:18,787
Speaker 2: heavyweight Championship of the World.

1858
01:29:20,227 --> 01:29:23,307
Speaker 7: Hurt Radri's badly hurt.

1859
01:29:28,867 --> 01:29:31,227
Speaker 28: That was the biggest round of the fight for anybody.

1860
01:29:31,987 --> 01:29:36,147
Speaker 28: Fraser was within in a bunch or two going down.

1861
01:29:37,427 --> 01:29:41,307
Speaker 28: The doctor comes up and looks at Fraser. I think

1862
01:29:41,347 --> 01:29:42,187
Speaker 28: it's going to be over.

1863
01:29:43,307 --> 01:29:43,987
Speaker 7: It's all over.

1864
01:29:48,587 --> 01:29:52,507
Speaker 12: Muhammad Ali is pretty well spenced who has retained this title,

1865
01:29:53,307 --> 01:29:55,867
Speaker 12: and I think he needs a little air because this

1866
01:29:56,027 --> 01:29:59,147
Speaker 12: has to have been one of the most cruising heavyweight

1867
01:29:59,267 --> 01:30:00,707
Speaker 12: championships of all time.

1868
01:30:00,947 --> 01:30:03,547
Speaker 2: It certainly was. Fraser had beat an Ali at Medicine

1869
01:30:03,587 --> 01:30:07,867
Speaker 2: Square Garden in nineteen seventy one. Ali Fraser three years

1870
01:30:07,987 --> 01:30:10,667
Speaker 2: later at the same venue. This was the final and

1871
01:30:10,827 --> 01:30:14,427
Speaker 2: by far most brutal of their three bouts. Some sources

1872
01:30:14,547 --> 01:30:18,827
Speaker 2: estimated it was watched by one billion viewers. Ali won

1873
01:30:18,907 --> 01:30:21,947
Speaker 2: by corner retirement when Joe Fraser's team asked the referee

1874
01:30:21,947 --> 01:30:26,587
Speaker 2: to stop the fight after the fourteenth of fifteen scheduled rounds.

1875
01:30:27,027 --> 01:30:29,507
Speaker 2: Thomas Hauser is one of the most prolific and respected

1876
01:30:29,587 --> 01:30:32,627
Speaker 2: boxing writers and journalists of all time. Among as many

1877
01:30:32,667 --> 01:30:35,507
Speaker 2: many books on boxing, he wrote Muhammad Ali, His Life

1878
01:30:35,587 --> 01:30:40,027
Speaker 2: and Times, The Definitive Biography of Muhammad Ali. Thomas Hauser

1879
01:30:40,067 --> 01:30:42,267
Speaker 2: was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in

1880
01:30:42,307 --> 01:30:45,587
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen and joins us from New York. Thomas is

1881
01:30:45,587 --> 01:30:48,027
Speaker 2: great to have you on news Talks, EDB. Can you

1882
01:30:48,107 --> 01:30:51,587
Speaker 2: put the thriller in Manila into context for us in

1883
01:30:51,707 --> 01:30:55,187
Speaker 2: terms of where it sits among the most significant bouts

1884
01:30:55,227 --> 01:30:56,147
Speaker 2: in boxing history.

1885
01:30:57,307 --> 01:30:59,387
Speaker 7: Okay, well, for first, it is very nice to be

1886
01:30:59,507 --> 01:31:03,427
Speaker 7: with you. Thank you for having me. You said before

1887
01:31:03,627 --> 01:31:06,747
Speaker 7: that it was for the heavyweight championship for the world,

1888
01:31:07,467 --> 01:31:12,067
Speaker 7: but it was really for something much more important than that,

1889
01:31:12,307 --> 01:31:15,387
Speaker 7: which is that Muhammad Ali and Joe Frasier were fighting

1890
01:31:15,467 --> 01:31:20,307
Speaker 7: for the championship of each other. They were bitter rivals,

1891
01:31:20,827 --> 01:31:25,067
Speaker 7: they were universally regarded as two of the best heavyweights

1892
01:31:25,147 --> 01:31:28,947
Speaker 7: other and while to the outside world, yes, this was

1893
01:31:29,027 --> 01:31:32,947
Speaker 7: for the heavyweight championship, for those two men. It was

1894
01:31:33,307 --> 01:31:37,747
Speaker 7: intensely personal. This was between the two of them. This

1895
01:31:38,067 --> 01:31:42,107
Speaker 7: was going to determine who was champion between them and

1896
01:31:42,227 --> 01:31:44,947
Speaker 7: forget the rest of the world. And as you said,

1897
01:31:45,147 --> 01:31:51,347
Speaker 7: it was a horribly brutal fight, with back and forth,

1898
01:31:52,507 --> 01:31:56,947
Speaker 7: very destructive action the whole way. The heat and humidity

1899
01:31:57,307 --> 01:32:03,507
Speaker 7: were sweltering, and neither man ever fully recovered from the

1900
01:32:03,947 --> 01:32:07,427
Speaker 7: physical damage that they inflicted on each other that day.

1901
01:32:08,507 --> 01:32:14,907
Speaker 7: I had many remarkable experiences with Mohammed and a lot

1902
01:32:14,987 --> 01:32:18,027
Speaker 7: of gratifying ones. And one of the most gratifying things

1903
01:32:18,187 --> 01:32:21,427
Speaker 7: is while I was working on Mohammed Ali's life and times,

1904
01:32:22,147 --> 01:32:26,747
Speaker 7: Ali sat and watched videos of all of his fights together,

1905
01:32:27,027 --> 01:32:30,227
Speaker 7: and we'd sit on the sofa in either my living

1906
01:32:30,347 --> 01:32:33,187
Speaker 7: room or the sofa on his living room in his home,

1907
01:32:33,707 --> 01:32:36,067
Speaker 7: and we watched the tapes of his fights one by

1908
01:32:36,187 --> 01:32:40,547
Speaker 7: one in chronological order, and he enjoyed most of those,

1909
01:32:41,267 --> 01:32:45,427
Speaker 7: even when times were hard. I mean, when Henry Cooper

1910
01:32:45,547 --> 01:32:49,867
Speaker 7: knocked him down with that callacious left took Ali's open wide,

1911
01:32:50,067 --> 01:32:54,907
Speaker 7: and then even the first fight against Fraser, which Mohammed lost,

1912
01:32:55,347 --> 01:32:59,427
Speaker 7: and the first fight against Ken Norton, when Mohammad's straw

1913
01:32:59,627 --> 01:33:03,067
Speaker 7: was broken we're safely ensconced in the annals of history.

1914
01:33:03,867 --> 01:33:08,387
Speaker 7: But sitting on the sofa next to Mohammad while we

1915
01:33:08,467 --> 01:33:17,027
Speaker 7: were watching the Thriller and Manila, Mohammed physically winced years

1916
01:33:17,067 --> 01:33:20,627
Speaker 7: three years later as he watched Joe land some of

1917
01:33:20,707 --> 01:33:25,227
Speaker 7: those punches. And when we finished watching the tape, Muhammad

1918
01:33:25,267 --> 01:33:28,547
Speaker 7: turned to me and said, Fraser quit just before I did.

1919
01:33:29,027 --> 01:33:31,947
Speaker 7: I didn't think I could fight anymore now. Actually it

1920
01:33:32,147 --> 01:33:35,627
Speaker 7: wasn't Joe Fraser who quit. It was Eddie Fudge, who

1921
01:33:35,827 --> 01:33:40,267
Speaker 7: was Joe's chief second, who stopped the fight. Joe could

1922
01:33:40,347 --> 01:33:42,907
Speaker 7: not see out of one eye. He was having trouble

1923
01:33:42,987 --> 01:33:46,187
Speaker 7: seeing much of anything out of the other. He was

1924
01:33:46,307 --> 01:33:51,867
Speaker 7: bleeding badly from the mouth. And that's when fighters get

1925
01:33:52,467 --> 01:33:55,947
Speaker 7: even more seriously damaged than those two men were, and

1926
01:33:56,067 --> 01:34:01,827
Speaker 7: so Eddie Fudge stopped it. If the bells around fifteen

1927
01:34:02,307 --> 01:34:05,667
Speaker 7: had come, I think Mohammad would have gone out for

1928
01:34:05,787 --> 01:34:09,867
Speaker 7: the round. He was as courageous as any fighter whoever lived.

1929
01:34:10,427 --> 01:34:13,107
Speaker 7: But if you look of at a video of that fight,

1930
01:34:13,827 --> 01:34:19,147
Speaker 7: after the fight is stopped, Mohammed stands up and raises

1931
01:34:19,227 --> 01:34:23,147
Speaker 7: his arm in triumph, and then he sort of oozes

1932
01:34:23,547 --> 01:34:27,827
Speaker 7: to the ring canvas So would it have been like

1933
01:34:28,147 --> 01:34:32,427
Speaker 7: Sugar Ray Robinson against Joey Maxim at Madison Square Garden

1934
01:34:33,027 --> 01:34:36,067
Speaker 7: when Robinson was well ahead of the scorecards. This was

1935
01:34:36,147 --> 01:34:40,547
Speaker 7: back in nineteen fifty two, and the heat was one

1936
01:34:40,627 --> 01:34:44,387
Speaker 7: hundred and four degrees at Madison Square matt Yankee Stadium,

1937
01:34:44,507 --> 01:34:50,227
Speaker 7: let me correct myself Yankee Stadium that night, and Robinson

1938
01:34:50,347 --> 01:34:53,827
Speaker 7: just collapsed in his corner after the thirteenth round and

1939
01:34:53,987 --> 01:34:59,547
Speaker 7: couldn't go on. So you know, on some cosmic measuring scale,

1940
01:35:00,107 --> 01:35:03,187
Speaker 7: you can say that Ali Fraser III was a draw,

1941
01:35:03,867 --> 01:35:06,707
Speaker 7: but Mohammed won it in the record books. That's the

1942
01:35:06,747 --> 01:35:08,027
Speaker 7: way it stands forever.

1943
01:35:09,107 --> 01:35:12,707
Speaker 2: At what stages of their respective careers were Ali and

1944
01:35:12,867 --> 01:35:17,067
Speaker 2: Fraser in nineteen seventy five, Both of them.

1945
01:35:17,227 --> 01:35:22,907
Speaker 7: Were well passed their prime. Ali was at Joe never

1946
01:35:23,027 --> 01:35:26,067
Speaker 7: fought Ali at his best. Ali was at his best

1947
01:35:26,627 --> 01:35:30,627
Speaker 7: before the exile from boxing, when he was young, when

1948
01:35:30,667 --> 01:35:34,307
Speaker 7: he had his legs, when he was fighting Cleveland Williams

1949
01:35:34,387 --> 01:35:37,627
Speaker 7: and Ernie Terrell and Zora Foley. By the time he

1950
01:35:37,787 --> 01:35:41,547
Speaker 7: came back to fight Joe Fasier the first time, Muhammad's

1951
01:35:41,587 --> 01:35:45,867
Speaker 7: legs were gone, and that first fight against Ali took

1952
01:35:46,027 --> 01:35:48,147
Speaker 7: so much out of Joe that he was never the

1953
01:35:48,267 --> 01:35:53,187
Speaker 7: same fighter again Ali. After the layoff. Ali was probably

1954
01:35:53,267 --> 01:35:56,787
Speaker 7: at his best inn Zi year against George Foreman. Then

1955
01:35:56,867 --> 01:36:00,707
Speaker 7: he began to decline. So by the time they met

1956
01:36:00,747 --> 01:36:04,707
Speaker 7: for the third time in Manila, neither of them was

1957
01:36:04,827 --> 01:36:08,907
Speaker 7: the fighter he had won and spin physically, but their

1958
01:36:09,147 --> 01:36:14,347
Speaker 7: downward arcs coincided is just the right time, so they

1959
01:36:14,387 --> 01:36:18,667
Speaker 7: were evenly matched and they still had that incredible warrior

1960
01:36:18,827 --> 01:36:20,187
Speaker 7: spirit both of them.

1961
01:36:21,187 --> 01:36:23,787
Speaker 2: Was there any respect between the two or did they

1962
01:36:23,947 --> 01:36:26,187
Speaker 2: just outright dislike one another?

1963
01:36:26,987 --> 01:36:33,547
Speaker 7: Well, Muhammad had respect for Joe as a fighter. Joe

1964
01:36:34,467 --> 01:36:38,867
Speaker 7: despised Muhammad, and I understand that. You know, Joe Frazier.

1965
01:36:40,067 --> 01:36:44,387
Speaker 7: Let's go back a step. When they fought the first time,

1966
01:36:46,067 --> 01:36:51,867
Speaker 7: Muhammad was the most famous person in the world, and

1967
01:36:53,147 --> 01:36:58,667
Speaker 7: Joe won that first fight. But that fight was really

1968
01:36:58,987 --> 01:37:04,187
Speaker 7: looked on as a metaphor the struggle between racist warlike

1969
01:37:04,387 --> 01:37:08,627
Speaker 7: elements on one side and seeking peace and social justice

1970
01:37:08,707 --> 01:37:12,787
Speaker 7: on the other. You know, the right wing in American politics,

1971
01:37:12,947 --> 01:37:16,827
Speaker 7: you know, wanting Joe to beat Ali, and the anti

1972
01:37:16,947 --> 01:37:22,427
Speaker 7: war protesters and people who who were seeking justice through

1973
01:37:22,467 --> 01:37:26,947
Speaker 7: the civil rights movement supporting Ali. Joe didn't want to

1974
01:37:26,987 --> 01:37:34,027
Speaker 7: be a symbol and Joe just wanted to be a fighter.

1975
01:37:35,587 --> 01:37:40,347
Speaker 7: But their first fight, Ali branded Joe and uncle Tom.

1976
01:37:40,987 --> 01:37:44,747
Speaker 7: The second fight, he branded him as ignorant. The third

1977
01:37:44,867 --> 01:37:47,227
Speaker 7: fight he made fun of him as a gorilla with

1978
01:37:47,347 --> 01:37:50,387
Speaker 7: all of the ugly racial stereotypes that come with that.

1979
01:37:51,467 --> 01:37:56,787
Speaker 7: And even though Manila wasn't about Ali's social and political beliefs,

1980
01:37:57,427 --> 01:37:59,107
Speaker 7: the narrative had quieted.

1981
01:37:59,267 --> 01:37:59,747
Speaker 8: By then.

1982
01:38:01,587 --> 01:38:06,027
Speaker 7: Joe bore a huge amount of resentment towards Mohammad. He

1983
01:38:06,147 --> 01:38:07,547
Speaker 7: did until the very end.

1984
01:38:07,707 --> 01:38:07,867
Speaker 4: You know.

1985
01:38:07,947 --> 01:38:11,587
Speaker 7: From time to time as the years went by, they

1986
01:38:11,747 --> 01:38:15,427
Speaker 7: get together, usually for an economic incentive to appear at

1987
01:38:15,547 --> 01:38:19,827
Speaker 7: some event. But Joe's hatred remained. And one of the

1988
01:38:19,947 --> 01:38:22,507
Speaker 7: things that Ali said to me, and he said it often,

1989
01:38:22,707 --> 01:38:26,147
Speaker 7: was that he was sorry that Joe was angry at him.

1990
01:38:26,787 --> 01:38:30,467
Speaker 7: And what Mohammad said, very, very, you know, directly, was

1991
01:38:30,987 --> 01:38:34,267
Speaker 7: if God ever calls me to a holy war, I

1992
01:38:34,387 --> 01:38:36,267
Speaker 7: want Joe Fraser fighting beside me.

1993
01:38:37,547 --> 01:38:42,147
Speaker 2: Amazing how different or not Thomas were Ali and Fraser

1994
01:38:42,587 --> 01:38:43,747
Speaker 2: as fighters.

1995
01:38:44,987 --> 01:38:50,467
Speaker 7: Well, they both had an extraordinary warrior spirit. Beyond that,

1996
01:38:50,987 --> 01:38:56,147
Speaker 7: they were completely different as fighters. Mohammad relied on footwork

1997
01:38:56,387 --> 01:39:00,547
Speaker 7: and speed when he was at his best, and he

1998
01:39:00,627 --> 01:39:02,987
Speaker 7: didn't want to get hit. You know, it was drabbed

1999
01:39:03,067 --> 01:39:06,707
Speaker 7: straight right hand. Those were his two best punches. Joe

2000
01:39:07,107 --> 01:39:10,387
Speaker 7: was happy to take two punches to land one. He

2001
01:39:10,627 --> 01:39:14,587
Speaker 7: came straight forward, you know, bobbing and weaving to try

2002
01:39:14,627 --> 01:39:20,347
Speaker 7: to evade the punches. But Joe took more punches than

2003
01:39:20,467 --> 01:39:23,427
Speaker 7: he gave out. But he could take a great punch

2004
01:39:23,747 --> 01:39:27,147
Speaker 7: and he could dish out a ferocious punch. But they

2005
01:39:27,187 --> 01:39:30,787
Speaker 7: were completely different styles. And you know, there's that old

2006
01:39:30,907 --> 01:39:36,107
Speaker 7: saying in boxing styles make fights, and hear their styles

2007
01:39:36,347 --> 01:39:41,587
Speaker 7: meshed perfectly in their first and third encounters for incredible action.

2008
01:39:42,227 --> 01:39:46,027
Speaker 7: The second fight wasn't that entertaining. In the second fight,

2009
01:39:46,387 --> 01:39:49,587
Speaker 7: Ali was able to use his speed, his footwork and

2010
01:39:49,787 --> 01:39:53,627
Speaker 7: jab to negate pretty much anything that Joe wanted to do.

2011
01:39:54,347 --> 01:39:57,587
Speaker 7: But by the third fight, Ali had slowed too much

2012
01:39:58,307 --> 01:40:01,507
Speaker 7: that he couldn't move the way he once did, and

2013
01:40:02,467 --> 01:40:05,947
Speaker 7: he got tired. And as you said earlier, there were

2014
01:40:06,107 --> 01:40:08,107
Speaker 7: just horribly brutal extrangers.

2015
01:40:09,467 --> 01:40:11,547
Speaker 2: Why did the fight take place in the Philippines.

2016
01:40:12,707 --> 01:40:16,067
Speaker 7: The fight took place in the Philippines for the same

2017
01:40:16,187 --> 01:40:20,187
Speaker 7: reason that Ali versus George Foreman took place in Zayir,

2018
01:40:20,867 --> 01:40:25,947
Speaker 7: That there was a dictator in a foreign country who

2019
01:40:26,147 --> 01:40:30,027
Speaker 7: was willing to put up a huge amount of money

2020
01:40:30,747 --> 01:40:34,547
Speaker 7: to bring the fighters over there, to boost his profile

2021
01:40:34,747 --> 01:40:37,907
Speaker 7: at home and around the world. And there's an irony

2022
01:40:37,987 --> 01:40:41,787
Speaker 7: in that, because Ali, perhaps more than any athlete ever

2023
01:40:42,547 --> 01:40:48,307
Speaker 7: stood for personal freedom. But there were times when he

2024
01:40:48,507 --> 01:40:55,147
Speaker 7: made accommodations with dictators, and certainly the accommodation with Bhutu

2025
01:40:55,267 --> 01:41:00,027
Speaker 7: and Zayir and Ferdinand Marcos and the Philippines was one

2026
01:41:00,107 --> 01:41:03,747
Speaker 7: of them. Now, Muhammad was not a sophistic political thinker,

2027
01:41:04,307 --> 01:41:07,907
Speaker 7: and I don't think that he understood the full ramifications

2028
01:41:07,947 --> 01:41:12,507
Speaker 7: of those decisions. But yeah, the reason it took place

2029
01:41:12,547 --> 01:41:14,827
Speaker 7: in the Philippines was money, plain and simple.

2030
01:41:15,507 --> 01:41:17,867
Speaker 2: All right, Well, it's been such a such a delight

2031
01:41:17,947 --> 01:41:21,747
Speaker 2: to JETTYA. Thomas about your memories, your recollections and your analysis.

2032
01:41:22,427 --> 01:41:25,227
Speaker 2: Ali and Fraser never reconsoled, did they. You mentioned before

2033
01:41:25,307 --> 01:41:28,187
Speaker 2: that they had public appearances to get up Ali perhaps

2034
01:41:28,267 --> 01:41:31,267
Speaker 2: softened on Fraser. Did Fraser ever soften on Ali or not?

2035
01:41:32,547 --> 01:41:36,227
Speaker 7: There were times when Joe was I said, they did

2036
01:41:36,307 --> 01:41:40,547
Speaker 7: public appearances together from time to time. There were times

2037
01:41:40,627 --> 01:41:44,187
Speaker 7: when Joe seemed to be softening a bit. But let's

2038
01:41:44,187 --> 01:41:49,187
Speaker 7: put it in context. Joe once. Joe and I were

2039
01:41:49,227 --> 01:41:53,387
Speaker 7: once talking about Muhammad's physical condition, which as you know,

2040
01:41:53,787 --> 01:41:57,867
Speaker 7: was very bad in a lot of years of his life,

2041
01:41:58,547 --> 01:42:02,187
Speaker 7: and Joe, with great satisfaction on his face, said to me,

2042
01:42:03,307 --> 01:42:07,267
Speaker 7: I did that to him? Now? Was that ugly? Yeah?

2043
01:42:07,787 --> 01:42:09,227
Speaker 7: Do you need to know anything more?

2044
01:42:09,587 --> 01:42:12,787
Speaker 2: No, tell us about your latest book. You still go

2045
01:42:12,947 --> 01:42:14,947
Speaker 2: and goodness me, I don't know how many there must

2046
01:42:14,987 --> 01:42:17,427
Speaker 2: be in that bookcase of yours. Now, The Most Honest

2047
01:42:17,427 --> 01:42:20,187
Speaker 2: Sport two more years inside Boxing is your latest.

2048
01:42:21,347 --> 01:42:24,347
Speaker 7: It is every year or two I bring out a

2049
01:42:24,427 --> 01:42:28,387
Speaker 7: book with all of the boxing articles that I wrote

2050
01:42:28,467 --> 01:42:31,827
Speaker 7: in the preceding twelve or twenty four months. The Most

2051
01:42:31,907 --> 01:42:35,747
Speaker 7: Honest Sport is the most recent of those books and

2052
01:42:35,947 --> 01:42:38,987
Speaker 7: apropos of what we've been talking about. There was a

2053
01:42:39,107 --> 01:42:42,587
Speaker 7: long essay about the fiftieth anniversary of the Rumble in

2054
01:42:42,667 --> 01:42:46,867
Speaker 7: the Jungle Muhammad Ali versus George Foreman. It's in the

2055
01:42:46,947 --> 01:42:51,867
Speaker 7: Most Honest Sport. There's a lot about the contemporary boxing scene,

2056
01:42:52,547 --> 01:42:57,867
Speaker 7: about what appears to be the Saudi takeover of boxing,

2057
01:42:58,507 --> 01:43:01,627
Speaker 7: the big fights of the two years in question, and

2058
01:43:02,427 --> 01:43:05,587
Speaker 7: my email address is out there for those who don't

2059
01:43:05,627 --> 01:43:10,427
Speaker 7: have it. Thomas Houser Waiter at gmail dot com. And

2060
01:43:10,587 --> 01:43:13,467
Speaker 7: if anybody wants to read the book and shoot me

2061
01:43:13,507 --> 01:43:17,027
Speaker 7: an email about it, I promise I'll respond to them.

2062
01:43:17,267 --> 01:43:19,787
Speaker 2: Wonderful Thomas, It's been wonderful chatting to you. Thank you

2063
01:43:19,827 --> 01:43:22,507
Speaker 2: for joining us across New Zealand today. I really appreciate

2064
01:43:22,547 --> 01:43:22,907
Speaker 2: your time.

2065
01:43:23,187 --> 01:43:24,107
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.

2066
01:43:24,307 --> 01:43:26,587
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. Thomas Thomas, how's of their

2067
01:43:27,187 --> 01:43:32,987
Speaker 2: prolific boxing author, writer, journalist and analyst On the eve

2068
01:43:33,147 --> 01:43:36,947
Speaker 2: of the fiftieth anniversary of the Thriller in Manila two

2069
01:43:37,027 --> 01:43:39,707
Speaker 2: twenty seven, it is updating you on some live sport

2070
01:43:40,187 --> 01:43:43,227
Speaker 2: MPC action. They have plenty ten doll ahead of White Cuttle,

2071
01:43:43,867 --> 01:43:47,187
Speaker 2: that game taking place in Toadonga and both sides still

2072
01:43:47,227 --> 01:43:51,827
Speaker 2: in contention for the top eight counties Manico and Munawatu

2073
01:43:51,987 --> 01:43:55,347
Speaker 2: clashing at Pookakoee. Both of these sides really need to

2074
01:43:55,387 --> 01:43:57,347
Speaker 2: win this game if they're to stay on top a contention,

2075
01:43:57,427 --> 01:44:00,867
Speaker 2: and that's still a slim chance. County seven five ahead.

2076
01:44:00,907 --> 01:44:03,467
Speaker 2: In fact, they've just gone twelve five ahead with a

2077
01:44:03,547 --> 01:44:06,787
Speaker 2: kick to come against Munawatu. When we come, we'll look

2078
01:44:06,787 --> 01:44:11,107
Speaker 2: ahead to tonight's mouth watering second preliminary final in the NRL.

2079
01:44:11,467 --> 01:44:14,867
Speaker 2: The Melbourne Stormer already into next Sunday's Grand Final. Will

2080
01:44:14,867 --> 01:44:17,827
Speaker 2: it be Brisbane? Will it be Penrith Brad Walter are

2081
01:44:17,827 --> 01:44:19,427
Speaker 2: going to preview that one for us when we come back.

2082
01:44:20,227 --> 01:44:22,067
Speaker 7: It's more than just a game.

2083
01:44:22,427 --> 01:44:27,067
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Fine and GJ. Garnhoves, New Zealand's

2084
01:44:27,067 --> 01:44:29,147
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder, News Talks.

2085
01:44:29,067 --> 01:44:31,867
Speaker 2: B News Talks AB Sunday afternoon, two thirty. The Melbourne

2086
01:44:31,907 --> 01:44:35,107
Speaker 2: Stormer through to their tenth NRL Grand Final tonight.

2087
01:44:35,267 --> 01:44:39,147
Speaker 3: Utoy Kamado's splashing off the defense there and he's goes

2088
01:44:39,187 --> 01:44:40,547
Speaker 3: through cheers in the cliff.

2089
01:44:40,707 --> 01:44:41,787
Speaker 7: Here's goes for it?

2090
01:44:42,107 --> 01:44:43,507
Speaker 2: Drive, Heres makes sense?

2091
01:44:45,507 --> 01:44:49,907
Speaker 13: Dreds All drive Jims, there's such a.

2092
01:44:49,947 --> 01:44:51,027
Speaker 28: Good try storer.

2093
01:44:51,347 --> 01:44:51,547
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2094
01:44:51,587 --> 01:44:53,587
Speaker 2: That was Friday night, the Storm beating the Sharks twenty

2095
01:44:53,667 --> 01:44:56,587
Speaker 2: two fourteen in their preliminary final in Melbourne. Kiwis, Will

2096
01:44:56,747 --> 01:44:59,667
Speaker 2: Warbrick and Jerome Hughes. As you heard, they're crossing for

2097
01:44:59,787 --> 01:45:02,147
Speaker 2: first half tries for the Storm. They'll face the winner

2098
01:45:02,507 --> 01:45:06,067
Speaker 2: of tonight's second preliminary final between the Broncos and Panthers

2099
01:45:06,507 --> 01:45:08,547
Speaker 2: at sun Corp Stadium and Brisbane, a repeat of the

2100
01:45:08,587 --> 01:45:11,827
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Grand Final, the Panthers just eighty minutes

2101
01:45:11,867 --> 01:45:15,827
Speaker 2: away from a sixth consecutive Grand Final appearance and a

2102
01:45:15,987 --> 01:45:19,227
Speaker 2: chance at a remarkable five pete. The Broncos, though, have

2103
01:45:19,347 --> 01:45:22,187
Speaker 2: won nine of their past ten Finals matches at sun

2104
01:45:22,267 --> 01:45:24,747
Speaker 2: Corp and have scored one hundred and twenty eight points

2105
01:45:24,787 --> 01:45:28,587
Speaker 2: in their last three home games. Vastly experienced NRL journalist

2106
01:45:28,627 --> 01:45:31,747
Speaker 2: Brad Walter is with us bread. Let's look at Friday first.

2107
01:45:31,787 --> 01:45:34,907
Speaker 2: Did it always feel like the Storm were in control

2108
01:45:35,147 --> 01:45:35,747
Speaker 2: of that game?

2109
01:45:36,707 --> 01:45:36,907
Speaker 7: Look?

2110
01:45:37,307 --> 01:45:40,107
Speaker 19: Yeah, Jesson, it felt like the Storm. It felt like

2111
01:45:40,147 --> 01:45:41,987
Speaker 19: they were in control and they were on top, but

2112
01:45:43,147 --> 01:45:46,467
Speaker 19: they weren't. Sort of, they didn't have it within their grasps,

2113
01:45:46,467 --> 01:45:48,307
Speaker 19: if you know what I mean. The Sharks were like

2114
01:45:48,867 --> 01:45:51,547
Speaker 19: they always kept with it, you know, kept close enough

2115
01:45:51,627 --> 01:45:55,787
Speaker 19: to make you think, oh, you know, this game could turn.

2116
01:45:55,827 --> 01:45:58,467
Speaker 19: And I have to say that probably about midway through

2117
01:45:58,587 --> 01:46:00,987
Speaker 19: the second half, I started to think that the Sharks

2118
01:46:01,027 --> 01:46:04,187
Speaker 19: had the momentum that they were getting on top and

2119
01:46:04,827 --> 01:46:07,347
Speaker 19: that had happened to the Storm when they played the

2120
01:46:07,387 --> 01:46:08,547
Speaker 19: Broncos a couple of weeks ago.

2121
01:46:14,707 --> 01:46:16,267
Speaker 2: Oh, we seem to have just lost you there, moment

2122
01:46:16,307 --> 01:46:19,467
Speaker 2: surely tread. Let's see if we can get Brad back

2123
01:46:19,507 --> 01:46:22,027
Speaker 2: online there, Andy, we don't want to. I don't want

2124
01:46:22,067 --> 01:46:26,307
Speaker 2: to cut this short after just the one question. And

2125
01:46:26,427 --> 01:46:28,227
Speaker 2: so if we can get Brad back on the line

2126
01:46:28,267 --> 01:46:30,707
Speaker 2: fourteen to five Counties lead Munaward two, I can tell

2127
01:46:30,707 --> 01:46:33,707
Speaker 2: you after twenty five minutes of their game and poker

2128
01:46:33,787 --> 01:46:37,467
Speaker 2: Koe ten nilta bay of plenty over way cuttle at

2129
01:46:39,187 --> 01:46:42,147
Speaker 2: at Podo on a domain in their game. Just hoping

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Speaker 2: to get Brad Walter back up here to give us

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Speaker 2: some more insight into this NRL preliminary final. I wonder

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Speaker 2: whether we can get Brad back, and he's just trying furiously.

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Speaker 2: It looks like we've got him back. You were talking

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01:46:56,587 --> 01:46:58,747
Speaker 2: about the Sharks. I think when we lost you their

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01:46:58,787 --> 01:47:01,027
Speaker 2: bread and how you thought it at one stage in

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01:47:01,067 --> 01:47:02,747
Speaker 2: the second half they might be might be good for

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01:47:02,787 --> 01:47:03,027
Speaker 2: the win.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, And I just thought the storm storm might be underdone.

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01:47:06,027 --> 01:47:08,027
Speaker 19: They had I think they had five players who hadn't

2140
01:47:08,027 --> 01:47:10,827
Speaker 19: played a lot of football for a long time, including Hughes.

2141
01:47:10,867 --> 01:47:14,067
Speaker 19: But he was magnificent, wasn't he? Jerome Music. It's incredible

2142
01:47:14,107 --> 01:47:16,827
Speaker 19: to think that he broke his wrist three weeks three

2143
01:47:16,867 --> 01:47:19,187
Speaker 19: weeks ago and here he was coming back and I

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01:47:19,227 --> 01:47:22,827
Speaker 19: saw the Roosters doctor on social media saying, you know,

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01:47:23,267 --> 01:47:25,147
Speaker 19: basically what Jerome Hws has done is going to make

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01:47:25,187 --> 01:47:27,227
Speaker 19: every coach Now, I think that three weeks is the

2147
01:47:27,307 --> 01:47:31,947
Speaker 19: standard for returning from a broken arm. So he was incredible.

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Speaker 19: The Storm that I mean, what can you say about them,

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01:47:35,427 --> 01:47:38,667
Speaker 19: to be honest, they you know, their record is phenomenal.

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01:47:39,307 --> 01:47:43,907
Speaker 19: They know how to win, win the big games. You know,

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01:47:44,027 --> 01:47:48,267
Speaker 19: Craig Bellamy is a coach. It's just like it's it's

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01:47:48,387 --> 01:47:51,467
Speaker 19: just amazing. You know, they're absolute phenomenon. But like Penrith

2153
01:47:51,467 --> 01:47:54,947
Speaker 19: have actually got the better record or the more recent

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01:47:55,667 --> 01:47:58,307
Speaker 19: record as well. So we're witnessing a couple of clubs

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01:47:58,307 --> 01:48:01,827
Speaker 19: that are, you know, probably as good as has ever

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Speaker 19: been in the history of rugby league. And you know,

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Speaker 19: we're eighty minutes away from finding out whether we've got

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Speaker 19: another Panther Storm Grand Final.

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Speaker 2: Well let's talk about that eighty minutes because the second

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Speaker 2: preliminary final isn't a few hours time, Brisbane against the Panthers.

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01:48:15,827 --> 01:48:17,707
Speaker 2: I mean, you just feel as though the Panthers are

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01:48:17,747 --> 01:48:19,547
Speaker 2: going to win this one, don't you. But the Broncos,

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01:48:19,667 --> 01:48:22,667
Speaker 2: I mean, they are a good team, aren't they Brad,

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Speaker 2: They're getting there. Adam Reynolds back, Reecee Walsh. They could

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Speaker 2: win this game, couldn't they? The Broncos for sure, they

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01:48:28,107 --> 01:48:28,867
Speaker 2: could win the whole thing.

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01:48:29,027 --> 01:48:30,107
Speaker 5: Like they are.

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Speaker 19: They've got incredible momentum at the moment, they're going to

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01:48:34,187 --> 01:48:37,547
Speaker 19: be playing before a absolutely packed sun Corps Stadium that

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01:48:37,987 --> 01:48:40,627
Speaker 19: it'll be, you know, chock full of Broncos fans who

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01:48:40,627 --> 01:48:42,987
Speaker 19: will be cheering them. It's hot up there. It's about

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01:48:43,027 --> 01:48:47,347
Speaker 19: thirty degrees at the moment so in Brisbane, so you

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01:48:47,387 --> 01:48:50,107
Speaker 19: know it's still going to be really quite up there

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Speaker 19: at kickoff time. I said, they've got momentum. Reee Walsh

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Speaker 19: is in like unbelievable for me. Can you know the

2176
01:48:58,187 --> 01:49:00,347
Speaker 19: game's never done? I mean what were they down sixteen

2177
01:49:00,387 --> 01:49:04,347
Speaker 19: points against the Raiders and they came back Reshbawks after

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01:49:04,427 --> 01:49:07,827
Speaker 19: being sinning bid came back and instigated that incredible comeback.

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01:49:07,867 --> 01:49:10,707
Speaker 19: Adam Reynolds there captain and spiritual leader and like one

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01:49:10,707 --> 01:49:12,667
Speaker 19: of the best kickers in the game. Is in returning

2181
01:49:13,227 --> 01:49:16,667
Speaker 19: after a long layoff with with a hamstring injury. Ezra Man,

2182
01:49:16,747 --> 01:49:21,547
Speaker 19: who you know also was injured before the Finals series.

2183
01:49:22,227 --> 01:49:23,547
Speaker 19: He's back and he's going to be on the bench

2184
01:49:23,627 --> 01:49:25,107
Speaker 19: or hit. There's no doubt he'll come on and make

2185
01:49:25,147 --> 01:49:27,987
Speaker 19: some impact. If you remember the twenty twenty three Grand

2186
01:49:28,027 --> 01:49:30,067
Speaker 19: Final between these two teams, that looked like Ezra Man

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01:49:30,227 --> 01:49:32,427
Speaker 19: was basically give him the Clive Churchill Medal. He'd won

2188
01:49:32,507 --> 01:49:36,587
Speaker 19: the Grand Final for the Broncos before Nathan Cleary's you know,

2189
01:49:36,747 --> 01:49:39,347
Speaker 19: absolute master class in the last twenty minutes. So yeah,

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01:49:39,427 --> 01:49:42,107
Speaker 19: there's there's a lot of reasons why the Broncos can

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01:49:42,147 --> 01:49:45,107
Speaker 19: win and they're they're up against and they've had a

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01:49:45,147 --> 01:49:47,907
Speaker 19: week's break as well, they're freshing up. The only thing

2193
01:49:47,987 --> 01:49:50,347
Speaker 19: I think going against him is that Pat Carrigan's out suspended,

2194
01:49:50,387 --> 01:49:53,107
Speaker 19: but like paid halfs best best front rower in the game,

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01:49:54,547 --> 01:49:57,267
Speaker 19: you know, Michael mcgui will have them absolutely primed. There's

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01:49:57,427 --> 01:50:01,027
Speaker 19: there's so many reasons why why the Broncos will win.

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Speaker 19: But they're up against the panther side that they that

2198
01:50:04,467 --> 01:50:07,067
Speaker 19: was running last in round twelve, like half through the competition.

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01:50:07,147 --> 01:50:10,707
Speaker 19: They will last and they managed to get their way

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01:50:10,707 --> 01:50:13,907
Speaker 19: into seventh spot and like nobody wants to play them,

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Speaker 19: you would there's no way you'd want to play them.

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01:50:15,347 --> 01:50:19,907
Speaker 19: You wouldn't back against them winning a disconsecutive premiership. You know,

2203
01:50:19,987 --> 01:50:23,107
Speaker 19: they've had a turnover of players. It's been really well documented,

2204
01:50:23,187 --> 01:50:28,827
Speaker 19: Jerome Lowy, James Fisher, Harris in particular. But mate, they're

2205
01:50:28,867 --> 01:50:31,307
Speaker 19: there again. They're there again in about eighty minutes away

2206
01:50:31,347 --> 01:50:36,027
Speaker 19: from another Grand Final. Nathan Cleary's there's some incredible stats.

2207
01:50:36,067 --> 01:50:39,387
Speaker 19: You know, Nathan Cleary hasn't lost a game in daytime football.

2208
01:50:39,547 --> 01:50:41,787
Speaker 19: I think it's twenty six games in a row since

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01:50:41,867 --> 01:50:45,947
Speaker 19: twenty nineteen. You know, Reece Walsh has never won a

2210
01:50:45,987 --> 01:50:49,427
Speaker 19: game against the Panthers, so he's none from seven, you know.

2211
01:50:49,547 --> 01:50:51,427
Speaker 19: So I don't know if those stats will mean anything

2212
01:50:51,467 --> 01:50:54,667
Speaker 19: after today, but yeah, Doc, yeah, there's going to be

2213
01:50:54,707 --> 01:50:56,067
Speaker 19: a hell of a game. I suppose that's what we know.

2214
01:50:56,147 --> 01:50:57,667
Speaker 19: It's going to be a cracking game. We've seen some

2215
01:50:57,827 --> 01:51:00,347
Speaker 19: great games of rugby league this year and during the

2216
01:51:00,387 --> 01:51:03,227
Speaker 19: finals that Broncos Raiders game was as good as it gets.

2217
01:51:05,187 --> 01:51:07,987
Speaker 19: And yeah, here we are this afternoon. I don't know,

2218
01:51:08,107 --> 01:51:09,627
Speaker 19: I don't know who wins bored. I do know is

2219
01:51:10,467 --> 01:51:11,987
Speaker 19: it's going to be a great Grand Final. That's the

2220
01:51:12,027 --> 01:51:15,027
Speaker 19: other thing. Bronco's v Storm or Panthers v Storm. It's

2221
01:51:15,067 --> 01:51:17,107
Speaker 19: going to be an absolute cracking Grand Final.

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01:51:17,307 --> 01:51:20,027
Speaker 2: But if Penrith were to go on and win today

2223
01:51:20,147 --> 01:51:23,907
Speaker 2: and then win the Grand Final from seventh, where would

2224
01:51:23,947 --> 01:51:26,307
Speaker 2: that sit among their recent championships.

2225
01:51:26,547 --> 01:51:28,827
Speaker 19: That would be their greatest achievement. I've got no doubt

2226
01:51:28,827 --> 01:51:30,627
Speaker 19: about that. The players that they've lost, and I mean

2227
01:51:30,627 --> 01:51:34,187
Speaker 19: the players they've lost over you know, over over recent years.

2228
01:51:34,267 --> 01:51:36,507
Speaker 19: You know, each year they lose players and they replenish them.

2229
01:51:36,547 --> 01:51:40,027
Speaker 19: But they lost like two absolute leaders in Fisher, Harris

2230
01:51:40,107 --> 01:51:43,427
Speaker 19: and Lewi this year, like the guys that you can't

2231
01:51:43,747 --> 01:51:46,107
Speaker 19: really replace, and I'm not saying they have replaced, but

2232
01:51:46,667 --> 01:51:49,027
Speaker 19: replace them. But other guys have stepped up and like

2233
01:51:49,627 --> 01:51:52,947
Speaker 19: Casey McLain for example. You know young Kiwee center, he's

2234
01:51:52,987 --> 01:51:55,027
Speaker 19: been outstanding this year, Like he wasn't even a regular

2235
01:51:55,067 --> 01:51:57,747
Speaker 19: first grader, but he's got his chance. Based Halongi, who

2236
01:51:57,787 --> 01:52:01,307
Speaker 19: they recruited from Paramatta, I think everyone knew he was

2237
01:52:01,307 --> 01:52:03,867
Speaker 19: going to be a good football, but at the beginning

2238
01:52:03,907 --> 01:52:04,867
Speaker 19: of the year it was sort of there was a

2239
01:52:04,907 --> 01:52:06,667
Speaker 19: lot a lot of question marks about whether he was

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01:52:06,747 --> 01:52:09,587
Speaker 19: the guy and obviously big shoes to feel and he's

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01:52:09,627 --> 01:52:12,387
Speaker 19: done the job and mostes Leota, I think he's probably

2242
01:52:12,507 --> 01:52:14,987
Speaker 19: really you know gone to another level this year in

2243
01:52:15,027 --> 01:52:17,747
Speaker 19: the absence of Fisher Harris because he's had to so.

2244
01:52:18,907 --> 01:52:20,667
Speaker 19: But yeah, like I would say, would be their greatest

2245
01:52:20,667 --> 01:52:24,507
Speaker 19: achievement to come from last midway through the competition, to

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01:52:24,627 --> 01:52:26,467
Speaker 19: have lost those players, and you know, there are a

2247
01:52:26,467 --> 01:52:29,547
Speaker 19: lot of question marks. Basically everyone was saying they couldn't

2248
01:52:29,587 --> 01:52:33,067
Speaker 19: do it, and here they are, you know, and they

2249
01:52:33,227 --> 01:52:39,587
Speaker 19: have but just unbelievable confidence and self belief. Ivan Cleary,

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Speaker 19: You've got to say he's one of the greatest coaches

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01:52:41,427 --> 01:52:45,227
Speaker 19: of all time. What he's done to turn to to

2252
01:52:45,667 --> 01:52:49,267
Speaker 19: you know, turn this Panthers team into well, you know,

2253
01:52:49,387 --> 01:52:53,267
Speaker 19: the greatest team of my lifetime, greatest achievement of my lifetime,

2254
01:52:53,307 --> 01:52:55,787
Speaker 19: to win four in a row, playing five Grand Finals

2255
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Speaker 19: and possibly you know, possibly that runs not over. And

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Speaker 19: he's done it. And they've done it mainly with like

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01:53:02,587 --> 01:53:04,267
Speaker 19: if you go back to the beginning of their run

2258
01:53:04,707 --> 01:53:08,027
Speaker 19: six years ago, a lot of those players weren't they

2259
01:53:08,107 --> 01:53:10,827
Speaker 19: weren't superstars there and they were they were mainly kids

2260
01:53:10,867 --> 01:53:13,547
Speaker 19: that had come out of the Panthers area or players

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01:53:13,707 --> 01:53:17,347
Speaker 19: like Fisher Harris had been been spotted at a young

2262
01:53:17,427 --> 01:53:19,747
Speaker 19: age and brought over and put in the penrift system

2263
01:53:19,827 --> 01:53:22,427
Speaker 19: and now they're just a well a machine. And as

2264
01:53:22,507 --> 01:53:26,507
Speaker 19: I said, they lose superstars like Stephen Crichton and Philly

2265
01:53:26,627 --> 01:53:32,027
Speaker 19: Army Kickour and Uppy corus Our every year and they

2266
01:53:32,227 --> 01:53:35,427
Speaker 19: and they just keep replacing and replacing them with usually

2267
01:53:35,507 --> 01:53:38,147
Speaker 19: with local talent, just someone else filling the filling the

2268
01:53:38,387 --> 01:53:41,467
Speaker 19: jumping in and filling filling the spot and becoming a

2269
01:53:41,507 --> 01:53:45,747
Speaker 19: star player themselves. So they're an incredible, incredible incredible club,

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01:53:45,787 --> 01:53:46,467
Speaker 19: incredible team.

2271
01:53:46,627 --> 01:53:49,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a triumph of regeneration and development as well.

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01:53:49,867 --> 01:53:49,987
Speaker 24: Well.

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01:53:50,027 --> 01:53:51,867
Speaker 2: As you say, Brad, we're going to get a cracking

2274
01:53:51,907 --> 01:53:54,307
Speaker 2: game today and regardless of wins that, we're going to

2275
01:53:54,307 --> 01:53:56,467
Speaker 2: get a cracking Grand final as well. So thanks for

2276
01:53:56,707 --> 01:53:58,267
Speaker 2: joinings across New Zealanders always.

2277
01:53:58,587 --> 01:54:00,107
Speaker 19: Yeah, and look, I Worries are in the New South

2278
01:54:00,147 --> 01:54:02,067
Speaker 19: Wellest Cup Grand Final as well today. If they win that,

2279
01:54:02,107 --> 01:54:05,187
Speaker 19: they'll be playing the Burly Bears next Sunday before the

2280
01:54:05,747 --> 01:54:09,387
Speaker 19: in oural you and an Url Grand Finals. So and

2281
01:54:09,467 --> 01:54:11,947
Speaker 19: so there's a Cleary connection there too, with Jack Cleary

2282
01:54:12,067 --> 01:54:14,547
Speaker 19: in the in the Warriors side, so you'll see what

2283
01:54:14,587 --> 01:54:16,067
Speaker 19: happens there. I think there are a very good chance

2284
01:54:16,107 --> 01:54:18,467
Speaker 19: of winning, so it could be some Warriors representation on

2285
01:54:18,547 --> 01:54:19,187
Speaker 19: Grand Final day.

2286
01:54:19,267 --> 01:54:22,227
Speaker 2: Fantastic always good chatting Brad. Thanks indeed Brad Walter there,

2287
01:54:22,587 --> 01:54:25,667
Speaker 2: longtime NURL journalist and a familiar voice on Weekend Sport

2288
01:54:25,787 --> 01:54:29,467
Speaker 2: as well. Broncos against the Panthers seven oh five tonight,

2289
01:54:29,547 --> 01:54:32,547
Speaker 2: New Zealand time and the winner to go through to

2290
01:54:32,627 --> 01:54:36,027
Speaker 2: the Grand Final against the Melbourne Storm next Sunday evening

2291
01:54:36,347 --> 01:54:38,307
Speaker 2: coming up nineteen to three. We'll take a break, come

2292
01:54:38,347 --> 01:54:42,867
Speaker 2: back and unpack this incredible achievement by Nelson cyclist Neve

2293
01:54:43,107 --> 01:54:46,107
Speaker 2: Fisher Black, the first ever Kiwi to stand on a

2294
01:54:46,147 --> 01:54:49,947
Speaker 2: podium at a UCI World Championship road race. So we'll

2295
01:54:50,027 --> 01:54:52,267
Speaker 2: talk about that with Dell Woodford when we come back.

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