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Speaker 2: Hell are you Great, New Zealand And welcome to Manatyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number two nine three for the twenty

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Speaker 2: third of February and the Year of Our Lord twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty sixth. Great old show Today changed up at the

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Speaker 2: start of the show. We promised we're going to do

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Speaker 2: a topic, but then we changed it up to these

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Speaker 2: new move move on laws that the government's bringing in

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Speaker 2: for our rough sleepers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great discuss.

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Speaker 2: Something I came rough people living rough.

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Speaker 4: People living rough, which I think was a fair way

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Speaker 4: to say, because homeless would imply.

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Speaker 2: That if you put them in a home that they'll

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Speaker 2: be okay. Yeah, but a lot of the people that

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Speaker 2: you see out on the street can't live in homes

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Speaker 2: because of whatever reason. Yeah, you know, mental health issues

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Speaker 2: and such. So that was a very good chat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a deep dive on that one.

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Speaker 4: And we caught up with doctor Ratu Matida, who's the

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Speaker 4: CEO of Open Star Technology, is doing amazing stuff with

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Speaker 4: nuclear fusion. So that's a fascinating interview. Would pay you

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Speaker 4: to have a listen to that and that will come.

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Speaker 3: Up very shortly.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's very good show.

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Speaker 3: of you all right then love you.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Talk There b it is seven. I passed one. Welcome

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Speaker 4: into Monday's show. Have you had a pretty good weekend,

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Speaker 4: whatever you're up to. Great to have your company as always.

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Speaker 2: Get a, Mets, Tyler, get a everyone, thanks for tuning

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Speaker 2: in now.

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Speaker 3: Just before we get to the show, just what I mention.

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Speaker 4: We had our first consultation for the engagement ring and

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Speaker 4: overall went very well, very well.

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Speaker 3: On my side of things. We came under budget, which

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Speaker 3: is is nice.

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Speaker 4: You know, I told you the number and after the

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Speaker 4: consultation they came back and there's there's a bit of

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Speaker 4: a saving there. But we were I'm in and r

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Speaker 4: and over the real diamond versus the lab growing and

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Speaker 4: when they brought out the particular lab growing that we're

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Speaker 4: going for, and I didn't know there was so much

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Speaker 4: about diamonds, you know, the excellence and the shine and

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Speaker 4: the fire they called it. But they brought out this

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Speaker 4: lab lab growing diamond and the sparkle was out of

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Speaker 4: this world, beautiful, stunning.

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Speaker 2: Did you get the eyepiece out the jeweler's eye piece?

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Speaker 2: House have a lot deep into the heart of the diamond.

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Speaker 4: They didn't offer, and they should have, Actually, that would

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Speaker 4: have been a great thing, because.

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Speaker 2: I think that's where you can tell the difference. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but hang on a minute, how was your How was

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Speaker 2: mave with a lab groun?

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Speaker 4: She loved it when they brought it out, and she

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Speaker 2: And then may see as much cheaper as a lab

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Speaker 2: grown to a blood.

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Speaker 3: Diamond, about seventy percent cheaper.

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Speaker 4: So as soon as her little eyes lit up and

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Speaker 4: saw that that sparkle in the lab grown, I'm like you, beauty,

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Speaker 2: So the lover is the same, Yeah, but the cost

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Speaker 2: is seventy percent less exactly.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, so good for me, good for MAV.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's happy. That's a win win scenario.

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Speaker 2: Was it a good saving for you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Good saving for me and A and she feels happy,

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Speaker 4: so when so she gets a nice ring and I've

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Speaker 3: So good times.

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Speaker 4: Right onto today's show after three o'clock, we want to

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Speaker 4: have a chat about shopping trolleys. People who go and

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Speaker 2: Wow, this happened to me. Sunday. I go out to

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Speaker 3: On your burn, just on my beam.

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Speaker 2: And it was just an absolutely fantastic experience. But it

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Speaker 4: here's the CEO of Open Star Technologies, and you might

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is an incredible human being and we're so

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Speaker 4: Looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,

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Speaker 4: It was announced by Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith and Police

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Speaker 2: Now, I think this government has a problem with its messaging,

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Speaker 7: What do they do because at the moment, they can't

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Speaker 4: Nineteen past one. So the government is giving police new

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Speaker 2: This government dislikes the poor people. It's very clear. They

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Speaker 2: Do you do you find it? Are you're you're the

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Speaker 9: that there's you don't know what the situation are, and

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Speaker 9: Well, hopefully it will definitely help us, if you know,

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Speaker 9: they're not in our work saying, and hopefully they do

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Speaker 2: So I think I think the term moving on is

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Speaker 2: So you move them on. Then they're down down the street,

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Speaker 2: But you haven't helped them, and you haven't necessarily solved

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Speaker 4: Really appreciate your thoughts. You have a good afternoon. Oh

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Speaker 3: That to me is what it seems like.

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Speaker 4: It just feels there's a lot of pushback to it,

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Speaker 2: But is there because there used to be psychiatric hospitals

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Speaker 2: I every day I drive home from work here and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in trouble there. They're on the wrong side

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Speaker 2: But if I'm if anyway and there's people just talking

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Speaker 2: but is there someone to take Where do you take

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know the answer. Do we

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Speaker 4: So great question, if you know, love to hear from you. Oh,

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Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do those psychiatric services exist?

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Speaker 4: To the point where there is an ability to house

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Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is the text number back very shortly.

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Speaker 4: It's twenty five past one.

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Speaker 5: Bring back the asylums, the headlines and the hard questions.

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Speaker 5: It's the Make Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Do we are we owed? Will we chase a refund?

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Speaker 12: Well, that's going to have to be worked through. I

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is with us. Don't know that you

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Speaker 3: As I understood, our beef is sitting outside of all

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Speaker 2: But it's a pretty fluid situation. Back tomorrow at six

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Speaker 3: Z B very good afternoons. Youre it's twenty eight past one.

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Speaker 4: So we're talking about the new police powers to crack

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Speaker 4: down on beggars, rough sleepers, and people displaying disorderly, disruptive, threatening,

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Speaker 2: So this is a bit like because you've already got

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Speaker 2: because you're just moving people on. Whereas most people would

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Speaker 2: think would hope that these people can get some help.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I'm involved with a charity that I'm sorry, sorry,

437
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Speaker 2: I need a glass of water. Hi, guys, I'm involved

438
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Speaker 2: with a charity that supplies the police with boxes of

439
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Speaker 2: essential supplies that they give to these homeless people when

440
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Speaker 2: they move them on. They don't just kick their ass

441
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Speaker 2: and send them flying. They actually care about them and

442
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Speaker 2: help them as much as they can. They just have

443
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Speaker 2: not had the illegal right to do so until this point.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your text. Whereas this person says, guys,

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Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, whereas it high guys, Yeah, here

446
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Speaker 2: we go. This is one of the looking forth. Sorry

447
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Speaker 2: but boys, the homelessness has been caused by this government's policies.

448
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Speaker 2: Look how many people have been laid off from work

449
00:20:14,893 --> 00:20:17,853
Speaker 2: they previously had under labor. Labour kept people in employment.

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Speaker 2: Even when COVID was raging, Robinson had business saving packages

451
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Speaker 2: that would be applied for businesses were saved that employed people.

452
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Speaker 2: We had bugger all unemployment. We were far better off

453
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Speaker 2: under labor. Cheers Wayne, Although you've got to say you

454
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Speaker 2: can't just keep borrowing money forever, because you've got to

455
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Speaker 2: pay it back and currently now Wayne, we're playing back

456
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Speaker 2: that at ten billion dollars a year just on the

457
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Speaker 2: interest payments, which makes it harder to spend resources on

458
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Speaker 2: our most vulnerable if we're spending our money on paying

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Speaker 2: back interest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call.

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Speaker 4: After the headlines, We're gonna have a chat with John

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Speaker 4: who says psychiatric services do exist. So we have a

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Speaker 4: chat to him very shortly. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean.

485
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Speaker 4: So we're talking about the new police powers the government

486
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Speaker 4: announced over the weekend to crack down on rough sleepers

487
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Speaker 4: and beggars. So this was Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith and

488
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Speaker 4: Police Minister Mark Mitchell who announced that just quickly, this

489
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Speaker 4: is for people displaying to sort ofly disruptive, threatening, intimidating behavior,

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Speaker 4: obstructing or impeding someone entering their business, breaching the peace,

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Speaker 4: begging in all forms and rough sleeping. Here's a little

492
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Speaker 4: bit of Mark Mitchell, he was on with Carry a

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Speaker 4: little bit earlier today, but also justifying what these police

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Speaker 4: powers can mean in terms of helping people in vulnerable situations.

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Speaker 7: We have to be able to have some powers. That

496
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Speaker 7: actually says as a country, no, you can't sit up

497
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Speaker 7: and live on the footpath. But by the way, here

498
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Speaker 7: is all the work that we can do. We can

499
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Speaker 7: support you, We can find a way of giving you

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Speaker 7: a better options of not coming down on the street.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I get that, but I still I think the problem

503
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Speaker 2: is going to be the final two thousand dollars, which

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Speaker 2: just seems logically stupid. It does You're going to find

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Speaker 2: someone that's already on the street.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they got that money, they can't pay it.

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Speaker 2: That seems like an easy win for opposition parties to

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Speaker 2: say to them, where you're finding homeless people two hundred

509
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Speaker 2: two thousand dollars and put it you know, maybe that

510
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Speaker 2: part of it, if it is, you have the rights

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Speaker 2: to move them on, to take them to get help.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, But speaking of help, I was

513
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Speaker 2: talking about psychiatric services, and because I know all the

514
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Speaker 2: basically all the psychiatric hospitals I believe were closing in

515
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Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, because when I was growing up in Dunedin,

516
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Speaker 2: Suddenly we were all talking about it. Suddenly there was

517
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of people with mental health issues running

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Speaker 2: up and down the Octic and talking to themselves. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Speedy was one of them. He's a nice guy.

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Speaker 3: Was he quite fast?

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Speaker 2: That's why it's called speed. Yeah, he used to walk

522
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Speaker 2: around with the radio on his shoulder at pace, right around.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I was always told because that was

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Speaker 2: the psychiatric hospitals that it closed down. But John, there

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Speaker 2: you know a bit about this and the psychiatric services

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Speaker 2: that are available now.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep.

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Speaker 4: Well great to chat with you. So, so enlighten us

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Speaker 4: what sort of services exist?

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Speaker 14: Hey, So what happened in the early nineties is psychopedic

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Speaker 14: hospitals were shut. That's where people with an intellectual disability

532
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Speaker 14: were housed. And now they're housed under organizations such as IHC,

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Speaker 14: slash IDEA Services, and there's many others up and down

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Speaker 14: the country. So they live in lovely homes. And I

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Speaker 14: used to work in that industry. Okay, So that's what

536
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Speaker 14: happened there. When it comes to psychiatric hospitals, as in

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Speaker 14: terms of mental health mental distress, we still have those now.

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Speaker 14: I think all that's changed is that the demands for

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Speaker 14: those services. Think pre COVID, POSTVID, devent of phones. We

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Speaker 14: go on and on and on. We all know that

541
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Speaker 14: anxiety and depression whatever word we want to use in

542
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Speaker 14: that space, has gone up. Why well, we could spend

543
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Speaker 14: all day talking about that. And so the demands upon

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Speaker 14: those services are real and big, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 14: very governments are doing their best to address that. But

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Speaker 14: I think too, you've got a lot of NGOs out

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Speaker 14: there who work in this space in an outpatient type capacity.

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Speaker 14: I don't know how many private We do have some

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Speaker 14: private psychiatric hospitals up and down New Zelland so they

550
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Speaker 14: are available, but you've got to pay. But but yeah,

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Speaker 14: we still have psychiatric hospitals.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, how do you end up in

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Speaker 2: a psychiatric hospital? John? What? What? What has happened?

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Speaker 14: Well, you can be referred there by your GP, or

555
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Speaker 14: you can present to an ED department. You'll usually be

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Speaker 14: assessed by the crisis team and they will make a

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Speaker 14: call on whether you can get admitted.

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Speaker 2: Can you can you be held there against your will?

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Speaker 2: Or is it something you have to voluntarily go into?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 14: No, Then it depends that laws still apply, so people

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Speaker 14: can be put under the Act. Yes they can. There's

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Speaker 14: a few papers that need to be signed and all that,

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Speaker 14: and usually then a person needs to be deemed to

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Speaker 14: be a risk to themselves or to others or both,

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Speaker 14: and that could get you a ticket for a stay,

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Speaker 14: say in a mental health board.

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Speaker 6: Yees.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, thanks for clarifying this, John, I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. But what came what makes me think about

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Speaker 2: this is, as I was saying before, when I'm driving

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Speaker 2: around Auckland, I see a lot of people walking across

573
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Speaker 2: roads at pace, talking to people that don't exist, snapping

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Speaker 2: and yelling at different people, and I think that these

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Speaker 2: people are severely you know, you know, facing some severe problems.

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Speaker 2: So they must have been picked up at some point.

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Speaker 2: There must be someone out there approaching them. And is

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Speaker 2: there a pathway for them to get help currently?

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Speaker 14: Well, what I'd say is we'll take one step back.

580
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Speaker 14: So in defense of our police, there is a program

581
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Speaker 14: up and down New Zealand called si aw H. He

582
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Speaker 14: can refer people to John.

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Speaker 2: There you cut out in the middle of that acronym,

584
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Speaker 2: can you say.

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Speaker 14: Again, so Afie. The police have this resource in all

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Speaker 14: their phones to refer anybody's a deem in need of

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00:27:18,893 --> 00:27:23,733
Speaker 14: a social service. And think of the spectrum of social services.

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00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:26,333
Speaker 14: So our police do a wonderful job and that they

589
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Speaker 14: can refer anybody they want to any of these services. Now,

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Speaker 14: I think, what's this new legislation. The difference that it's

591
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Speaker 14: got is there's a little stick sitting behind it that

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Speaker 14: the police have now been given. So if I actually

593
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Speaker 14: support the police here, we have a police force by

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Speaker 14: and large that is good and they are trying to

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Speaker 14: help people. The problem is they do a lot of

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Speaker 14: social work stuff which they could then be out doing

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Speaker 14: other stuff which hey, we could go les. It's been

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Speaker 14: in the news, you know, that's been doing the work

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Speaker 14: that maybe some of our mental health institutions, organizations, et

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Speaker 14: cetera should have been doing all along. But they backed

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Speaker 14: up the truck and let the police didn't land. And

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Speaker 14: then the police we said, we ain't got the resources

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Speaker 14: for this, and we can talk about that because that's

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Speaker 14: fairly current in the news, or at least once twelve

605
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Speaker 14: months ago. So I mean that's why we end up

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Speaker 14: where we are, because unless you when there's a vacuum,

607
00:28:21,373 --> 00:28:23,493
Speaker 14: things go wrong, don't they. Now getting back to what

608
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Speaker 14: you said, why are we seeing people on our streets

609
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Speaker 14: talking to themselves and all that, let's just throw into

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Speaker 14: the mix. Addictions. Like drugs in this country used to

611
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Speaker 14: be pretty simple, but now it's like a supermark. You

612
00:28:36,093 --> 00:28:38,773
Speaker 14: can get almost anything. There's a couple that you can't,

613
00:28:38,853 --> 00:28:41,693
Speaker 14: and right please because they keep them out. But you know,

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Speaker 14: let's throw drugs and mental health together and I could

615
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Speaker 14: get onto my soapbox right now and oh we're just silly,

616
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Speaker 14: We're silly.

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Speaker 2: So think some of these drugs, because when I think

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Speaker 2: of the type of drugs that people that are you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, living rough, I think the type of drugs

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Speaker 2: they'd be taking. I don't know, I don't know much

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Speaker 2: about it, but I don't imagine them taking hallucinogens. But

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Speaker 2: I guess I mean simple as you know, back in

623
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Speaker 2: the day, people huffing petrol made them hallucinate. So you

624
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Speaker 2: think a certain amount of these people that are marching

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Speaker 2: around talking to two invisible things have taken hallucinogens of some.

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Speaker 14: Sort, Well, well they could. I mean, remember, there's a

627
00:29:22,253 --> 00:29:26,853
Speaker 14: myriad of drugs at different price points, okay and without

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Speaker 14: It's like I know quite a lot about the drug

629
00:29:29,493 --> 00:29:34,573
Speaker 14: fielder working out blah blah blah. So mate, there's ways

630
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Speaker 14: of making drugs And then you could always go and

631
00:29:37,493 --> 00:29:40,253
Speaker 14: make some soup out of a certain plant that we

632
00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:42,493
Speaker 14: all know about, but nobody uses that because it's such

633
00:29:42,493 --> 00:29:44,013
Speaker 14: a horrible high and they feel.

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Speaker 2: So genule, you know, talk about their datura flowers from

635
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Speaker 2: the garden of how I am. That's not good.

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00:29:52,413 --> 00:29:55,253
Speaker 14: No, that's not good. And there's many cheap and nasty

637
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:59,093
Speaker 14: drugs that aren't good. And then remember people sometimes go,

638
00:29:59,293 --> 00:30:01,173
Speaker 14: I can make that go a bit further, so they

639
00:30:01,213 --> 00:30:04,133
Speaker 14: cut it with who knows what, and that's probably not

640
00:30:04,213 --> 00:30:06,893
Speaker 14: good for you either. But even some pure drugs, and

641
00:30:06,933 --> 00:30:09,453
Speaker 14: they're purest form when you're abuse them, those they are

642
00:30:09,493 --> 00:30:12,453
Speaker 14: not good. They never were good. Drugs are not good,

643
00:30:12,813 --> 00:30:17,893
Speaker 14: full stop. And I think there is this few that's

644
00:30:18,053 --> 00:30:20,453
Speaker 14: kind of saying alcohol is really bad, and yes it

645
00:30:20,533 --> 00:30:22,613
Speaker 14: is in the wrong hands, it's a flip and monster.

646
00:30:23,373 --> 00:30:27,413
Speaker 14: But let's talk about drugs, man. They are wrecking this country.

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Speaker 14: I'll tell you a fact. In this country, when you

648
00:30:30,293 --> 00:30:33,613
Speaker 14: do wastewater testing, have you ever heard them talk about

649
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Speaker 14: cannabis in response to that? No, because in order to

650
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Speaker 14: test cannabis in our waste water, you've got to spend

651
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Speaker 14: a more money because it's fat soluble. So what if

652
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Speaker 14: I found out by ringing the people who do it.

653
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Speaker 14: They said, when they do test for cannabis, the drug

654
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Speaker 14: that is used in this country more than any other

655
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Speaker 14: drug combined is what cannabis. So let's talk about that.

656
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Speaker 14: But nobody talks about that anymore because they think it's

657
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Speaker 14: a natural we've made that is such a wrecker's.

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Speaker 2: So you think cannabis can have the kind of site

659
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Speaker 2: keatric effects on people that you know means that they

660
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Speaker 2: can't run normal life, they can't hold down a job,

661
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Speaker 2: hold a house that can get to that state.

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Speaker 14: Well, hey, all I would say to that is when

663
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Speaker 14: we talked about legalization, why did the Royal Australasian College

664
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Speaker 14: of Psychiatrists submit vehere mentally against us that what you

665
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Speaker 14: want to do is find a psychiatrist who works in

666
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Speaker 14: that space and get them to tell you what they

667
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Speaker 14: see cannabis doing to people in New Zealand today. And

668
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Speaker 14: I can tell you now it is all bad because

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Speaker 14: the cannabis of today is nothing like woodstop weed.

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Speaker 2: I wish it was and people had this kind of

671
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Speaker 2: thing where you know, cannabis has been portrayed in a

672
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Speaker 2: way as just being all good, it's all fine, it's harmless,

673
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Speaker 2: handy drug. No one ever assaulted anyone on cannabis all

674
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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 14: But no, I nearly got my head punched in by

676
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Speaker 14: a guy using medicinal cannabis in the last six months.

677
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Speaker 14: I was worried because I happened to be somewhere in

678
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Speaker 14: my job alone and man, did he fire up. It

679
00:32:11,213 --> 00:32:15,533
Speaker 14: is so potent. These people get very, very jangled. Not

680
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Speaker 14: like the weed that you and I grew up with,

681
00:32:17,773 --> 00:32:20,653
Speaker 14: Nothing like it. And you know, I could unpack all

682
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Speaker 14: the numbers and tell you it's at eighteen percent straight

683
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Speaker 14: out of the ground now, and the CBDs say at

684
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Speaker 14: one to three would stop weed with three percent THHC

685
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Speaker 14: and one to three percent CBD, So those numbers were similar.

686
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Speaker 14: So it didn't bend your head. And by the way,

687
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Speaker 14: I haven't even started to talk to you about medicinal cannabis.

688
00:32:40,493 --> 00:32:44,053
Speaker 14: That's a whole new subject. I will say this. There's

689
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Speaker 14: an agency out there that's charged with looking after our children,

690
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Speaker 14: and they are worried because they are now seeing parents

691
00:32:51,413 --> 00:32:54,133
Speaker 14: so stoned that they wouldn't know which ways up. And

692
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Speaker 14: then what do these parents produce? A script for what medicinal.

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Speaker 4: Cannabis terrifying John incredibly enlightening, great to chat with you.

694
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your thoughts.

695
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Speaker 2: It's an incredibly complex issue, Ben says HiMAT two thousand

696
00:33:08,933 --> 00:33:11,133
Speaker 2: dollars fine is a maximum fine, just like the maximum

697
00:33:11,173 --> 00:33:13,893
Speaker 2: prison sentence for burglary is ten years. But most burglars

698
00:33:14,133 --> 00:33:19,093
Speaker 2: get committed based sentences. There has to be some punishment.

699
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Speaker 2: More likely they would get a fine of fifty dollars

700
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Speaker 2: and referred to social services. Yeah, I get that, Ben,

701
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Speaker 2: But what I'm what I'm sort of saying is the

702
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Speaker 2: knee jerk response to this as and why I'm saying

703
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Speaker 2: that the government doesn't necessarily have the best messaging as

704
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Speaker 2: people go what you want to find homeless people two

705
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars, that's not going to work.

706
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Speaker 4: It's an easy line for any opposing groups who want

707
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Speaker 4: to push back on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know how you go around that

709
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Speaker 2: where you make it a crime such that they can

710
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Speaker 2: take them to social services, but without the seemingly ridiculous

711
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Speaker 2: potential for a maximum fine of two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's complex, very complex.

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Speaker 4: So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

714
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Speaker 4: to call bag very shortly, it is fourteen to two.

715
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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

716
00:34:03,493 --> 00:34:07,373
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

717
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Speaker 1: when Skoda, please go to codes every.

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Speaker 5: Day at go to dot co, dot There News Dogs'.

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Speaker 3: Eleven or two.

720
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Speaker 4: We're talking about new police powers to deal with those

721
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Speaker 4: living on the street.

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Speaker 3: King on your views. So one hundred and eighty ten

723
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Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call Sharon? How are you hi?

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Speaker 11: I just wonder if these numbers got so huge in

725
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Speaker 11: the center of Auckland because of the big buildings that

726
00:34:31,173 --> 00:34:36,493
Speaker 11: they put all mentally ill and homeless in. Was under

727
00:34:36,573 --> 00:34:38,813
Speaker 11: labor as it happens, but anyway, it was going to

728
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Speaker 11: be wrap around services. I know a young woman, she's lovely.

729
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Speaker 11: Wouldn't her to fly? She's very gentle and very lovely.

730
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Speaker 11: About every two or three years she goes insane and

731
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Speaker 11: then she is put into hospital and you can be sectioned,

732
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Speaker 11: where a caring person isay, oh my god. You know

733
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Speaker 11: she's now a danger to herself. She's wandering around the

734
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Speaker 11: city and she needs rescuing from herself. So they are available,

735
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Speaker 11: but there's no real wrap around services like for her

736
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Speaker 11: there is. There'll be someone that will go in, however

737
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Speaker 11: often and make her take a medication basically and keep

738
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Speaker 11: her on a straight and narrow But the other people

739
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Speaker 11: living in those buildings are really dangerous, you know, even

740
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Speaker 11: though they had security maybe on the door or something

741
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Speaker 11: like that. She's been assaulted in the lift, she's been

742
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Speaker 11: pushed out of the way when she's opened the door

743
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Speaker 11: and run off with her TV. You know, it's just

744
00:35:29,373 --> 00:35:32,533
Speaker 11: not healthy at all. And when she's well, she's fine,

745
00:35:33,093 --> 00:35:37,653
Speaker 11: but the people that's around her, it's just awful. Anyway,

746
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Speaker 11: they decided that she was such a nice, clean kid

747
00:35:41,293 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 11: for her property person that they would offer her a

748
00:35:45,013 --> 00:35:48,853
Speaker 11: little unit out Northcote somewhere, and it had its own

749
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Speaker 11: little backyard and section and everything. And she went and

750
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Speaker 11: looked at it, and they took her outside to the

751
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Speaker 11: back decking and there were people next door making tea

752
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Speaker 11: and she said, I won't be safe here.

753
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: See, that's complicated. It's not as easy as just giving

755
00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:03,653
Speaker 2: people homes. A bunch of people are texting and saying,

756
00:36:03,693 --> 00:36:07,293
Speaker 2: just give everyone a home. It would be cheaper. But

757
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:08,772
Speaker 2: if you give them a home and then not safe

758
00:36:08,813 --> 00:36:10,053
Speaker 2: in the home, when you give them a home and

759
00:36:10,093 --> 00:36:14,373
Speaker 2: they're psychiatrically, you know they don't they have problems. Yeah,

760
00:36:14,573 --> 00:36:16,493
Speaker 2: then they're not going to stay in the home exactly.

761
00:36:16,533 --> 00:36:18,693
Speaker 2: It's so much more complicated than people like to make it.

762
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Speaker 4: Yeah, very true, Sharon, thank you very much for giving

763
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Speaker 4: us a ring. Beg very shortly. It is eight minutes

764
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Speaker 4: to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

766
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Speaker 1: and eighty Tight.

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Speaker 5: It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

768
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Speaker 4: News Talks, b News news Talks. There'd be it is

769
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Speaker 4: six minutes to two. Being a great discussion.

770
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know the species. Send them all

771
00:36:44,893 --> 00:36:46,813
Speaker 2: to Duneda and no one will notice the difference between

772
00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:48,053
Speaker 2: them and the rest of the population.

773
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Speaker 3: Rough.

774
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Speaker 2: Wow, you see the thing in Danita and when I

775
00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:53,692
Speaker 2: when I will have down there to dress like homes.

776
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Speaker 3: Well, it's cold, Yeah, it's very cold.

777
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Speaker 2: And I was a student, was poor, so I had

778
00:36:58,053 --> 00:37:00,373
Speaker 2: to buy opshop stuff. But I don't think that's that.

779
00:37:00,653 --> 00:37:02,133
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of a problem with

780
00:37:02,133 --> 00:37:05,253
Speaker 2: that there as well. Anyway, I've been thinking about this

781
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:08,773
Speaker 2: and empathy is easily hijacked and that and I think

782
00:37:08,773 --> 00:37:11,212
Speaker 2: that's a problem with these discussions and all of us

783
00:37:11,213 --> 00:37:14,652
Speaker 2: would prefer that we didn't have people living rough all

784
00:37:14,693 --> 00:37:16,853
Speaker 2: of us. But we also have to have empathy for

785
00:37:16,893 --> 00:37:19,172
Speaker 2: people trying to run a business and how stressed they

786
00:37:19,213 --> 00:37:21,573
Speaker 2: are and they have to employ people, and people have

787
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,733
Speaker 2: to go to work, and people have to use the centers.

788
00:37:23,773 --> 00:37:26,013
Speaker 2: So our empathy has to be wide enough to include them,

789
00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:29,413
Speaker 2: not just the people that are living rough. And homelessness

790
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:33,692
Speaker 2: is obviously it obviously reflects deeper mental health, drug and

791
00:37:33,853 --> 00:37:38,093
Speaker 2: housing issues, social social services gaps, but it is much

792
00:37:38,133 --> 00:37:40,533
Speaker 2: more complex than just giving people somewhere to live. That

793
00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:43,373
Speaker 2: just doesn't that's just saying, oh, well, we'll give them

794
00:37:43,373 --> 00:37:45,773
Speaker 2: a home, put them in it. That doesn't solve the problem,

795
00:37:45,893 --> 00:37:47,813
Speaker 2: give them a job and they're good to go. It's

796
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,172
Speaker 2: much more complicated than that. And anyone that pretends that's

797
00:37:50,173 --> 00:37:53,973
Speaker 2: as simple ass that is probably trying to score political points.

798
00:37:55,973 --> 00:37:59,533
Speaker 2: So maybe giving police practical tools at an early stage

799
00:37:59,893 --> 00:38:02,933
Speaker 2: might just get our most vulnerable people in contact with

800
00:38:02,973 --> 00:38:08,853
Speaker 2: support services before terrible things happen and they become part

801
00:38:08,853 --> 00:38:12,172
Speaker 2: of the criminal justice system and things just spiral down

802
00:38:12,173 --> 00:38:16,493
Speaker 2: from there. So maybe maybe this is the opportunity where

803
00:38:16,493 --> 00:38:18,933
Speaker 2: the police can go, well, we have the tools now,

804
00:38:18,973 --> 00:38:22,172
Speaker 2: to say we can move you on, and by moving on,

805
00:38:22,693 --> 00:38:24,693
Speaker 2: they actually put them in contact with the people that

806
00:38:24,733 --> 00:38:25,213
Speaker 2: can help them.

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Speaker 4: Yep, and I think that's something we all want. A

808
00:38:27,613 --> 00:38:30,693
Speaker 4: great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called

809
00:38:30,733 --> 00:38:33,493
Speaker 4: and text on there. Coming up after two o'clock, we're

810
00:38:33,493 --> 00:38:36,293
Speaker 4: going to be speaking with doctor Ratu Matida. He's the

811
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Speaker 4: CEO of Open Star Technologies. They are doing incredible things

812
00:38:39,973 --> 00:38:43,173
Speaker 4: in the world of nuclear fusion. This technology could be

813
00:38:43,213 --> 00:38:45,653
Speaker 4: a game change when it comes to power generation and costs.

814
00:38:45,853 --> 00:38:48,213
Speaker 4: Very technical and complicated, so we're going to break it

815
00:38:48,253 --> 00:38:52,293
Speaker 4: down with doctor Ratu and also ask you the question

816
00:38:52,493 --> 00:38:54,413
Speaker 4: is this the way of the future when it comes

817
00:38:54,453 --> 00:38:58,053
Speaker 4: to electricity generation? That is coming next looking forward to that.

818
00:38:58,173 --> 00:39:00,013
Speaker 4: It is three minutes to two.

819
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Speaker 3: Back in a.

820
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Speaker 5: Mow talking with you all. Afternoon.

821
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons with Skoda News

822
00:39:07,773 --> 00:39:08,333
Speaker 1: Talk said.

823
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Speaker 4: Newstalks ed be welcome back into the show. It is

824
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Speaker 4: six pass two, so this is going to be fascinating.

825
00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:19,733
Speaker 4: Ken we company open Star Technologies. I've taken a serious

826
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Speaker 4: step forward in the global race towards nuclear fusion. So

827
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Speaker 4: this is backed by thirty five million dollars in government funding.

828
00:39:25,773 --> 00:39:30,413
Speaker 4: They've successfully levitated a half ton superconducting magnet. Fascinating stuff.

829
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Speaker 4: So very shortly we are going to be speaking to

830
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Speaker 4: CEO doctor Radtu Mattider, who is leading up this particular

831
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Speaker 4: experiment and the funding behind it. Fascinating guy.

832
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Speaker 2: When I did the we gave him New Zealand of

833
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Speaker 2: the Week last week. Yes, from the high level of

834
00:39:48,093 --> 00:39:50,013
Speaker 2: tech that they're heading down there, it's phenomenal. It makes

835
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Speaker 2: you proud to be a key with these people coming through.

836
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Speaker 3: And well earned.

837
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

838
00:39:52,933 --> 00:39:53,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

839
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Speaker 2: I think I got something severely wrong when I gave

840
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Speaker 2: him because you're trying to award someone for this, but

841
00:40:00,053 --> 00:40:02,253
Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't really fully understand what they

842
00:40:02,293 --> 00:40:02,613
Speaker 2: were doing.

843
00:40:02,813 --> 00:40:04,933
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's incredibly complicated.

844
00:40:04,973 --> 00:40:06,813
Speaker 2: So it'd be good talking to him. We'll ask them

845
00:40:06,813 --> 00:40:09,573
Speaker 2: some questions because when I was ordering him New Zealand

846
00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:11,573
Speaker 2: of the Week, I might have been awarding him for

847
00:40:11,613 --> 00:40:12,773
Speaker 2: the wrong thing, if you see what I'm saying.

848
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're going to have a chat to to next.

849
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Speaker 4: But we also want to put to you after we

850
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Speaker 4: have a chat with him, what is the future of

851
00:40:19,893 --> 00:40:23,053
Speaker 4: energy in New Zealand. And when you hear him, hopefully

852
00:40:23,093 --> 00:40:24,493
Speaker 4: We're going to break it down and try and get

853
00:40:24,533 --> 00:40:27,573
Speaker 4: it in simple terms. But whether that future is something

854
00:40:27,653 --> 00:40:32,413
Speaker 4: like fusion, whether it is sustainable types of energy electricity

855
00:40:32,533 --> 00:40:34,213
Speaker 4: or nuclear just straight up.

856
00:40:34,173 --> 00:40:36,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, efficient or fusion solar power? Do you think the

857
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Speaker 2: future of energy in New Zealand is wind power? You know?

858
00:40:39,973 --> 00:40:43,573
Speaker 2: Is it green hydrogen? People talk about green hydrogen. Is

859
00:40:43,613 --> 00:40:47,973
Speaker 2: it geothermal? Is it tidal and wave energy? Is it

860
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Speaker 2: bio energy?

861
00:40:49,533 --> 00:40:49,733
Speaker 10: You know?

862
00:40:49,813 --> 00:40:53,253
Speaker 2: People are thinking about space based solar shoving up satellites.

863
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Speaker 2: What do you think the future of energy in New

864
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Speaker 2: Zealand is? Thank goodness we have hydro electrics in New

865
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Speaker 2: Zealand because we're actually incredibly green country.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to that here they're doing some heavy lifting.

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Speaker 3: Is it gas? Natural gas?

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Speaker 4: Come on through Ian one hundred and eighty ten is

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Speaker 4: that number to call? What is the future of energy

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Speaker 4: generation in New Zealand? But coming up next, doctor Ratu Mathieda.

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Speaker 4: It is eight past two, back very shortly here on

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Speaker 4: News Talk z BEE.

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Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

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Speaker 5: ZEDB, News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 4: Can we company open Star Technologies has taken a serious

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Speaker 4: step forward in the global race towards nuclear fusion. Backed

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Speaker 4: by thirty five million dollars in government funding, they've successfully

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Speaker 4: levitated a halftime super conducting magnet confining a cloud of

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Speaker 4: ultra hot plasma. Sounds very technical, So what does that

881
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Speaker 4: all really mean and what could be the future of

882
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Speaker 4: this technology? Doctor Ratu Matida joins us. Now, Ratu, very

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00:41:56,213 --> 00:41:56,973
Speaker 4: good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, good afternoon to Utah.

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Speaker 2: If you don't mind, it's also Matt here as well,

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Speaker 2: if you don't mind. Let's get right back to the

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Speaker 2: very basics, because if we're on a very few people

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00:42:07,813 --> 00:42:10,853
Speaker 2: know anything about this really. So if we take it

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Speaker 2: right back to the basics, what is the difference between

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Speaker 2: fission and fusion.

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Speaker 6: So it's a really beautiful saying that day here in

892
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Speaker 6: Wellington after a lot of very bad weather. And that

893
00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:27,693
Speaker 6: sounds kind of unrelated, but the whole point of fission

894
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Speaker 6: versus fusion is in one process, you're taking the atoms,

895
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Speaker 6: large atoms, and you're splitting them apart. You're fissioning them

896
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Speaker 6: into two pieces. And if you take a big atom

897
00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,053
Speaker 6: and you do that, that releases a lot of energy.

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Speaker 6: That's what people typically consider to be nuclear power, and

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Speaker 6: it's something that New Zealand moved away from a very

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Speaker 6: long time ago. But I referenced for sunny day because

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Speaker 6: as you ask a question and I look over Wellington Harbor,

902
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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, like that's hitting what I see.

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Speaker 6: That's all from fusion that happens in our sun and

904
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Speaker 6: every star of the night sky. And so in fusion,

905
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Speaker 6: you're doing the opposite. You're taking small atoms and you're

906
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Speaker 6: forcing them to get the typically with an enormous amount

907
00:43:14,813 --> 00:43:17,772
Speaker 6: of pressure and heat, and when you can get them

908
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Speaker 6: to actually get close enough to merge so in the Sun,

909
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Speaker 6: it merges hydrogen into helium and then eventually the helium

910
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Speaker 6: gets merged into carbon. This is also where a lot

911
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Speaker 6: of the elements come from. But that process releases energy.

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Speaker 6: Their energy keeps the Sun hot, and because the sun

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Speaker 6: is hot, we we get a beautiful sunny day down

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Speaker 6: here in wanting.

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Speaker 2: To So the sun stars are doing that all the time.

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Speaker 2: Why is it so hard to achieve on Earth?

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Speaker 6: The Sun is very very big, and so I think

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Speaker 6: we obviously want to build machines that replicate the process

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Speaker 6: of the Sun, but we actually have a harder job

920
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Speaker 6: than the Sun. So if you were to take if

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Speaker 6: you could reach your hand into the Sun and just

922
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Speaker 6: grab a clump of that using sun plasma, it would

923
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Speaker 6: be very hot. You'd vaporize your hand, obviously, But actually

924
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Speaker 6: there's only the fusion that's happening in that clump of

925
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Speaker 6: sun is only the same amount of energy production as

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Speaker 6: what your compost been at home is doing. So the

927
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Speaker 6: bacteria eating, you know, your leftovers, metabolizing and getting energy

928
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Speaker 6: out of that, it's about the same amount of energy

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Speaker 6: per kind of clump of stuff that you'd grab out.

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Speaker 6: And so the s is actually a very bad fusion reactor.

931
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Speaker 6: It just happens to be very, very very big. And

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Speaker 6: so if we want to do this on Earth, we

933
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Speaker 6: don't just have to replicate the Sun. We actually have

934
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Speaker 6: to do considerably better. So they're actually building machines that

935
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Speaker 6: are economic, that are worse, building that give us more

936
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Speaker 6: in terms of the energy they produce than they cost,

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Speaker 6: and the various materials and labor that we need to

938
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Speaker 6: do are put in in order to build them.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible.

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Speaker 4: So that approach that you're taking, can you speak a

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Speaker 4: little bit more about that, These gigantic magnets you're using

942
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Speaker 4: and what you're trying to.

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Speaker 6: Achieve certainly, so in that analogy where you stick your

944
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Speaker 6: hand into the sun and grab it, like, the first

945
00:45:11,693 --> 00:45:16,293
Speaker 6: problem is you can't do that because these plasmas that

946
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Speaker 6: are these really superheated materials are too hot to touch

947
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Speaker 6: with anything solophysical. And so one of the primary approaches

948
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Speaker 6: to building fusion reactors has been to build very powerful magnets.

949
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Speaker 6: And with those magnets you can effectively hold on to

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Speaker 6: these plasmas without making physical contact with them. And that way,

951
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Speaker 6: not only do you not vaporize all your equipment once

952
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Speaker 6: the plasma is hot enough, but you can actually get

953
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Speaker 6: the plasma hot at all.

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Speaker 8: You know.

955
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Speaker 6: It's like people often worry about the equipment, but actually

956
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Speaker 6: getting the plasma hot and the first place is very

957
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Speaker 6: hard if it makes contact with anything. And so once

958
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Speaker 6: it's levitating, this is the plasma that is and not

959
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Speaker 6: touching anything, you can then go through the process of

960
00:46:03,653 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 6: heating it up and we just use microwaves, like you know,

961
00:46:07,253 --> 00:46:09,533
Speaker 6: your microwave of it and.

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Speaker 2: How hot are we talking here for this levitating plasma.

963
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Speaker 6: So to get fusion actually going, you need to get

964
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Speaker 6: to between one hundred and one hundred and fifty million degrees,

965
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Speaker 6: so very very hot, and for reference, it is also

966
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Speaker 6: much hotter than the Sun. And that's a reflection of

967
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Speaker 6: we need to build these machines to be efficient and economic,

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Speaker 6: not just replicating a science project.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking to doctor Ratu Mataira, the SEO of Open

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Speaker 2: Star Technologies, So speaking of building these machines, how come

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Speaker 2: you can attempt to do this in little old New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: So there's two types of expertise that go into building

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Speaker 6: a company like this. One is the kind of scientists

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Speaker 6: who really study how these plasmas work and how they

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Speaker 6: interact with magnetic fields, how you heat them up, how

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00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:05,652
Speaker 6: you hold onto them, that kind of thing. Now, in

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Speaker 6: all honesty, that is not signs that New Zealand has

978
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Speaker 6: done very much of ever, So we don't have lots

979
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Speaker 6: of these plasma physicists running around. There are a few,

980
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Speaker 6: but not probably enough to justify. But what we are

981
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Speaker 6: absolutely world class at a bit like where world class

982
00:47:26,333 --> 00:47:32,652
Speaker 6: with carbon fiber and making yachts and sailing boats is

983
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Speaker 6: superconducting magnets. So when we say build a really powerful magnet,

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Speaker 6: we take a new type of material called high temperature superconductor,

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Speaker 6: and we wind that into many, many, many turns that

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Speaker 6: can carry electrical current. That electric current produces a magnetic field,

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Speaker 6: and the science and engineering of how to do that

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Speaker 6: and the expertise we have one of the single largest

989
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Speaker 6: concentrations of talent in the world on how to make

990
00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:07,053
Speaker 6: magnets like that and also quite innovative, quite innovatively.

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00:48:07,453 --> 00:48:09,573
Speaker 2: How come, yeah, particularly in New Zealand, do we have

992
00:48:09,613 --> 00:48:10,493
Speaker 2: those expertise?

993
00:48:12,093 --> 00:48:15,053
Speaker 6: New Zealand's is a small place, right and so we

994
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Speaker 6: always question, you know, yeah, could we possibly do everything?

995
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Speaker 6: And I think everybody found a rocket industry just as surprising.

996
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Speaker 6: But when we do decide to do things, there's no

997
00:48:26,453 --> 00:48:29,733
Speaker 6: reason why we can't be the best. And so we

998
00:48:29,853 --> 00:48:32,333
Speaker 6: probably can't do everything, you know, I wouldn't be a

999
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Speaker 6: proponent of New Zealand trying to have every single industry

1000
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Speaker 6: on Earth. But once we decide to do something, we

1001
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Speaker 6: can absolutely be the best at it. And so the

1002
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Speaker 6: magnet specialty that popped up popped out of a research

1003
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Speaker 6: lab originally the BSIR Dispartment of Scientific Industrial Research in

1004
00:48:53,453 --> 00:49:00,813
Speaker 6: Seaview in Wellington, and they discovered the crystals that make

1005
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Speaker 6: these superconductors. And so we're talking lab experiments. You're making

1006
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Speaker 6: tiny little flakes of material you want to understand and

1007
00:49:08,533 --> 00:49:11,213
Speaker 6: what you've made. That kind of thing, and that was

1008
00:49:11,213 --> 00:49:14,053
Speaker 6: happening in the late eighties and eventually you get to

1009
00:49:14,053 --> 00:49:17,013
Speaker 6: the point where you've got enough of the technology. And

1010
00:49:17,053 --> 00:49:19,773
Speaker 6: this is decades of work, right, going step by step,

1011
00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:24,213
Speaker 6: but maturing at every stage. And so how we became

1012
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Speaker 6: the best at this is a lot of work that

1013
00:49:28,693 --> 00:49:31,573
Speaker 6: happened before I was even born and before I joined

1014
00:49:31,573 --> 00:49:35,693
Speaker 6: as a PhD student, And you get to stand atop

1015
00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:39,893
Speaker 6: the shoulders of giant and super proud that that happened

1016
00:49:39,893 --> 00:49:41,573
Speaker 6: here and we get to be a beneficiary of it.

1017
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Speaker 4: We are speaking to doctor Ratu Matida, CEO of Open

1018
00:49:46,573 --> 00:49:50,093
Speaker 4: Star Technologies and their work on nuclear fusion more in

1019
00:49:50,133 --> 00:49:54,732
Speaker 4: a moment. You're listening to news Talk ZB twenty past two.

1020
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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1021
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Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Twenty two past two. We are speaking with doctor Ratu Mattida,

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Speaker 4: the CEO of Open Star Technologies.

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00:50:09,333 --> 00:50:12,893
Speaker 2: Can you talk us through this latest milestone of yours

1025
00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:14,453
Speaker 2: and why it's so significant?

1026
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Speaker 6: So this milestone is effectively us building a really powerful

1027
00:50:20,693 --> 00:50:24,893
Speaker 6: superconducting magnet and actually levitating that magnet and then putting

1028
00:50:24,973 --> 00:50:28,413
Speaker 6: plasmas around it. Now, this is quite unique. Lots of

1029
00:50:28,853 --> 00:50:31,853
Speaker 6: ways of doing fusion rely on having a powerful magnet,

1030
00:50:32,173 --> 00:50:34,333
Speaker 6: but they don't have to levitate it. They can kind

1031
00:50:34,373 --> 00:50:36,533
Speaker 6: of just build a big machine. The magnet sits there

1032
00:50:36,653 --> 00:50:40,293
Speaker 6: and you hold the plasmas inside the magnet. Our machine

1033
00:50:40,333 --> 00:50:42,533
Speaker 6: is kind of different. It actually ends up with a

1034
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Speaker 6: magnet inside the plasma, kind of pulling in from the

1035
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Speaker 6: inside to keep the plasma contained. Rudolf here is that

1036
00:50:49,853 --> 00:50:53,053
Speaker 6: you now have a magnet that has to be levitated

1037
00:50:53,613 --> 00:50:57,773
Speaker 6: and disconnected from all of the normal support systems you'd

1038
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Speaker 6: rely on to make that magnet keep operating. So it

1039
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Speaker 6: has to be cryogenically cooled, It needs to have a

1040
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Speaker 6: thousand amps of current flowing through it. We need diagnostics

1041
00:51:07,253 --> 00:51:10,093
Speaker 6: on the magnet to see how it going, We need

1042
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Speaker 6: batteries on board to keep it running. And so getting

1043
00:51:14,373 --> 00:51:17,773
Speaker 6: that all completed and showing that you can get plasmas,

1044
00:51:17,813 --> 00:51:20,172
Speaker 6: you can levitate the magnet. Sure it weighs half a ton,

1045
00:51:20,373 --> 00:51:22,173
Speaker 6: but like you just get the numbers right and you

1046
00:51:22,213 --> 00:51:26,133
Speaker 6: can do it was actually something that our industry, the

1047
00:51:26,213 --> 00:51:31,573
Speaker 6: fusion industry kind of globally effectively thought was impossible to engineer.

1048
00:51:33,093 --> 00:51:36,973
Speaker 6: And since starting open Star, since coming across the idea

1049
00:51:37,053 --> 00:51:39,893
Speaker 6: to do this, kind of immediately knew that the whole

1050
00:51:39,893 --> 00:51:42,453
Speaker 6: industry would think this was impossible. But it was that

1051
00:51:42,493 --> 00:51:46,973
Speaker 6: technology that came out of Ceview and Lower Heart that

1052
00:51:47,133 --> 00:51:50,172
Speaker 6: clearly said it wasn't impossible that we can engineer things

1053
00:51:50,253 --> 00:51:53,173
Speaker 6: like this, And so the milestone for us is really

1054
00:51:53,213 --> 00:51:57,933
Speaker 6: that proof positive that levitated dipoles, despite everybody's opinion, are

1055
00:51:57,933 --> 00:52:01,652
Speaker 6: not impossible, that you can build these machines, and that

1056
00:52:01,773 --> 00:52:05,253
Speaker 6: therefore there is a pathway to move towards building power plants,

1057
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Speaker 6: and open Star is right there to go on that journey.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible. And this might sound like a vacuous question,

1059
00:52:12,693 --> 00:52:14,333
Speaker 2: but what does it sound like when you when you

1060
00:52:14,373 --> 00:52:15,093
Speaker 2: fire it up?

1061
00:52:16,773 --> 00:52:20,013
Speaker 6: Well, unfortunately, everything is inside a vacuum chamber, and it's

1062
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Speaker 6: like you know when you watch a movie where people

1063
00:52:21,933 --> 00:52:24,212
Speaker 6: are in space and they can hear things. You can't

1064
00:52:24,253 --> 00:52:25,093
Speaker 6: hear things in space.

1065
00:52:25,413 --> 00:52:27,173
Speaker 16: You need an atmosphere to hear stuff.

1066
00:52:28,293 --> 00:52:30,813
Speaker 6: But the lab itself you can just kind of hear

1067
00:52:30,893 --> 00:52:34,013
Speaker 6: this hum of all the equipment it's running. Becomes a

1068
00:52:34,013 --> 00:52:38,413
Speaker 6: bit of a weird science science fiction heartbeat and in

1069
00:52:38,533 --> 00:52:41,333
Speaker 6: your in your dreams, I think if you're exposed to

1070
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Speaker 6: it long enough. But yeah, the visual experience is pretty amazing.

1071
00:52:46,693 --> 00:52:49,253
Speaker 6: So like if people look up open Star on YouTube,

1072
00:52:49,293 --> 00:52:51,253
Speaker 6: they should be able to find the live stream of

1073
00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:54,733
Speaker 6: the event that we did and you know, enjoy the

1074
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister pushing a button and making some placements.

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Speaker 2: So talk to the reward of fusion. So it's once

1076
00:53:02,733 --> 00:53:08,133
Speaker 2: the expense of creating the energy is less than you know,

1077
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Speaker 2: what it takes to make the plasma or whatever control

1078
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Speaker 2: the plasma. So the reward is safe energy, isn't it.

1079
00:53:16,013 --> 00:53:19,652
Speaker 2: It's all the benefits of nuclear energy, but without any

1080
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Speaker 2: of the downside of radioactive material and such.

1081
00:53:23,653 --> 00:53:26,973
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the big piece of fusion is that it's

1082
00:53:26,973 --> 00:53:31,812
Speaker 6: effectively a factory for making energy where the inputs are

1083
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Speaker 6: very very cheap, and so you just have to spend

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Speaker 6: me on the.

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Speaker 16: Factory and the output of that factory.

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Speaker 6: Is electricity and the world is really thing for there

1087
00:53:43,533 --> 00:53:51,013
Speaker 6: is a cheapable form y that is also reliable and available.

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00:53:51,333 --> 00:53:54,053
Speaker 6: So when you go to turn on your factory that

1089
00:53:54,133 --> 00:53:56,453
Speaker 6: actually makes widgets, or go on and turn your kettle

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00:53:56,493 --> 00:53:59,652
Speaker 6: on in your home, that it's not sensitive to whether

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00:53:59,773 --> 00:54:01,933
Speaker 6: or not the sun is shining, or the wind is blowing,

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00:54:03,413 --> 00:54:05,133
Speaker 6: or whether or not you have a big enough battery

1093
00:54:05,173 --> 00:54:09,213
Speaker 6: bank to compensate for those things. You actually just have

1094
00:54:09,293 --> 00:54:12,133
Speaker 6: a power source that's always available for when you need it.

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Speaker 6: And what we're seeing now with the rise of say

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00:54:16,333 --> 00:54:21,653
Speaker 6: Ai is that people are becoming less and less willing

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Speaker 6: to compromise on their access to energy in order to

1098
00:54:26,333 --> 00:54:34,013
Speaker 6: hit climate goals, which is pretty scary, but ultimately that's

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00:54:34,093 --> 00:54:36,693
Speaker 6: the gauntlet that's been put in front of us, is

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Speaker 6: can we find innovative solutions to kind of unshackle the

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00:54:41,933 --> 00:54:45,053
Speaker 6: way we think about energy and fusion is definitely our

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00:54:45,093 --> 00:54:45,933
Speaker 6: pathway to do that.

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Speaker 4: We're speaking to do to Matider, the CEO of Open

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Speaker 4: Star Technologies. So if you guys crack this and it

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00:54:52,413 --> 00:54:54,692
Speaker 4: does become commercially viable, I mean, what does that mean

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00:54:54,733 --> 00:54:57,693
Speaker 4: for every day? You know, Kiwi's in this instant on

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00:54:57,733 --> 00:55:01,453
Speaker 4: their electricity bill? Are we talking a massive reduction on

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00:55:01,493 --> 00:55:04,133
Speaker 4: how much they would pay? Obviously that flows across the

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00:55:04,133 --> 00:55:06,293
Speaker 4: board to industry as well. But is that is that

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Speaker 4: potentially the future?

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Speaker 6: I think that's probably the far future. We have challenges

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00:55:11,893 --> 00:55:15,893
Speaker 6: even once we get the product to be commercial, we

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00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:20,493
Speaker 6: are running behind on transitioning the grid to clean, reliable

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00:55:20,613 --> 00:55:24,093
Speaker 6: energy in general, even as we roll out solar and wind,

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00:55:24,733 --> 00:55:27,453
Speaker 6: and so we've got a lot of catching up to do, basically,

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00:55:28,013 --> 00:55:30,013
Speaker 6: and that's one of the reasons why this team works

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00:55:30,093 --> 00:55:33,733
Speaker 6: so quickly. But to the spirit of your question, like,

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00:55:33,853 --> 00:55:38,253
Speaker 6: what does the utopia where we have actually abundant and

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00:55:38,373 --> 00:55:42,013
Speaker 6: unlimited energy, what does that look like? How does it

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00:55:42,093 --> 00:55:44,933
Speaker 6: change people's lives? I think it's a little bit like

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00:55:45,013 --> 00:55:49,853
Speaker 6: broadband internet. Back when I was a kid, I remember

1122
00:55:49,893 --> 00:55:52,213
Speaker 6: that we would run out of gigabytes right, and we

1123
00:55:52,253 --> 00:55:55,413
Speaker 6: would have to buy some more gigabytes on the plan.

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Speaker 6: And then eventually the internet got so good, the connections

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Speaker 6: to everybody got so good that people stopped charging by

1126
00:56:02,973 --> 00:56:06,813
Speaker 6: the gigabyte and they started charging by speed. And so

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00:56:07,493 --> 00:56:11,013
Speaker 6: a really simple example is if your house has a

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Speaker 6: connection to the grid that could keep it warm, the

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00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:17,653
Speaker 6: power to keep it warm will be so low cost

1130
00:56:17,813 --> 00:56:19,693
Speaker 6: that you can just do it right, and that we

1131
00:56:19,733 --> 00:56:25,013
Speaker 6: can just solve problems of abundance and health directly. And

1132
00:56:25,053 --> 00:56:27,813
Speaker 6: then if you're running a factory right building things that

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00:56:27,853 --> 00:56:31,213
Speaker 6: people need, you don't have to worry about where you're

1134
00:56:31,213 --> 00:56:33,453
Speaker 6: getting that energy from. You can just get it and

1135
00:56:33,533 --> 00:56:38,893
Speaker 6: use it and keep that factory going. And these always

1136
00:56:39,053 --> 00:56:42,333
Speaker 6: energy always feels so abstract to people. It's always kind

1137
00:56:42,373 --> 00:56:47,493
Speaker 6: of at arm's length. But at the level of countries

1138
00:56:47,533 --> 00:56:52,013
Speaker 6: and how they behave, energy plays a huge part. And

1139
00:56:52,053 --> 00:56:54,813
Speaker 6: so I think having clean and abundant energy as a

1140
00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:58,373
Speaker 6: pathway to a much more peaceful world. And I know

1141
00:56:58,453 --> 00:57:02,333
Speaker 6: that's something that all New Zealanders believe in and strive for.

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00:57:03,093 --> 00:57:06,093
Speaker 2: You speak of it utopia. There's a saying that always

1143
00:57:06,133 --> 00:57:09,093
Speaker 2: gets banded about that fusion is always thirty year away.

1144
00:57:09,893 --> 00:57:13,933
Speaker 2: So how far away do you think it is now?

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00:57:15,573 --> 00:57:20,533
Speaker 6: So we will be seeing the first fusion power plants

1146
00:57:21,533 --> 00:57:23,373
Speaker 6: turning on and putting power into the grid. We will

1147
00:57:23,373 --> 00:57:25,813
Speaker 6: see that in the early twenty thirties. Wow. And it's

1148
00:57:25,813 --> 00:57:28,813
Speaker 6: not just open Star being bullish. That's some other companies

1149
00:57:28,853 --> 00:57:34,973
Speaker 6: pursuing other approaches on their timelines as well. That's first electricity.

1150
00:57:36,093 --> 00:57:40,733
Speaker 6: But again, this is not just, you know, a niche thing.

1151
00:57:40,893 --> 00:57:44,853
Speaker 6: This is trying to reinvent an entire industry. And so

1152
00:57:44,973 --> 00:57:47,933
Speaker 6: by the time we get to that utopia, I think,

1153
00:57:48,813 --> 00:57:51,693
Speaker 6: hopefully I will have retired and someone else will have

1154
00:57:51,733 --> 00:57:55,413
Speaker 6: taken over open star. Then the world will start looking

1155
00:57:55,453 --> 00:57:57,933
Speaker 6: like a really different place. But this is just the

1156
00:57:57,973 --> 00:58:01,373
Speaker 6: beginning of this journey, and like a lot of his journeys,

1157
00:58:01,373 --> 00:58:04,493
Speaker 6: it starts off somewhere pretty pretty hard, right, facing a

1158
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:07,533
Speaker 6: really big challenge. But when you get to on the

1159
00:58:07,573 --> 00:58:10,613
Speaker 6: other side, overcome that challenge can be a pretty amazing place.

1160
00:58:11,213 --> 00:58:17,773
Speaker 2: Now in New Zealand is famously nervous about nuclear options,

1161
00:58:19,293 --> 00:58:22,813
Speaker 2: and so there be people out there that don't necessarily

1162
00:58:22,853 --> 00:58:25,573
Speaker 2: understand too much about it. So this is a question

1163
00:58:25,653 --> 00:58:27,933
Speaker 2: for them. Is there any chance of you blowing up

1164
00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:29,293
Speaker 2: and killing everyone in Wellington?

1165
00:58:30,733 --> 00:58:35,613
Speaker 6: No, there is zero chance of that happening. But answering

1166
00:58:35,693 --> 00:58:39,413
Speaker 6: the question, I'd also always like to say that safety

1167
00:58:39,653 --> 00:58:42,213
Speaker 6: around how these things work is always something that we're

1168
00:58:42,333 --> 00:58:44,733
Speaker 6: very open about, So I'm not going to get offended

1169
00:58:44,813 --> 00:58:48,013
Speaker 6: or worked up by being asked a question like that.

1170
00:58:48,893 --> 00:58:51,053
Speaker 6: The way that we would describe it and how people

1171
00:58:51,053 --> 00:58:54,373
Speaker 6: should think about it is that a fusion power plant

1172
00:58:54,733 --> 00:58:59,493
Speaker 6: doesn't have anything in it any more risky than any

1173
00:58:59,653 --> 00:59:04,533
Speaker 6: kind of standard, big chemical processing plant that our current

1174
00:59:04,533 --> 00:59:09,053
Speaker 6: industry runs on. The risks are of a slightly diferent flavor,

1175
00:59:09,733 --> 00:59:12,093
Speaker 6: but They're all things that just need to be managed,

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00:59:12,413 --> 00:59:14,853
Speaker 6: mainly for the safety of the people that actually work

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00:59:15,573 --> 00:59:20,613
Speaker 6: at that plant. And we run big intry over place,

1178
00:59:20,893 --> 00:59:24,853
Speaker 6: we know how to keep people safe. We're keeping people safe,

1179
00:59:25,453 --> 00:59:27,573
Speaker 6: and that's one of the things that's super exciting about

1180
00:59:27,653 --> 00:59:30,693
Speaker 6: fusion is that it has a clear pathway to achieve

1181
00:59:30,773 --> 00:59:31,333
Speaker 6: that safety.

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Speaker 2: Now, just going back before we finish, just because I

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00:59:34,493 --> 00:59:38,293
Speaker 2: think people listening might miss a little bit, But you

1184
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,773
Speaker 2: speak of the plasma, what actually is the plasma, what

1185
00:59:41,893 --> 00:59:42,773
Speaker 2: is it made out of?

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00:59:43,933 --> 00:59:47,053
Speaker 6: So plasma is often referred to as the fourth state

1187
00:59:47,093 --> 00:59:49,813
Speaker 6: of matter. So if something is cold, it forms a solid,

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00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:52,213
Speaker 6: warm it up a bit that melts into a liquid,

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00:59:52,253 --> 00:59:55,213
Speaker 6: warm it up more, it turns into a gas, warming

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Speaker 6: up even further. And what happens is if you look

1191
00:59:58,933 --> 01:00:01,933
Speaker 6: at the atoms that made up that gas, you can

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01:00:01,973 --> 01:00:05,133
Speaker 6: get it so hot that the electrons that are going

1193
01:00:05,173 --> 01:00:09,573
Speaker 6: around that atom fly off, and you instead now have

1194
01:00:09,693 --> 01:00:13,613
Speaker 6: a mixture of electrons whizzing around doing their own thing.

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Speaker 6: And also the nuclei that were a a cor of

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01:00:16,253 --> 01:00:19,693
Speaker 6: those atoms also whizzing around doing their own thing. And

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Speaker 6: so that fourth state of matter we call plasma. And

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Speaker 6: because you've got These electons wizzing around plasmas are electrically

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Speaker 6: conductive and sensitive to magnetic fields, which is precisely why

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Speaker 6: we use really strong magnets to hold onto them.

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Speaker 4: Doctor matta thank you very much for joining us. Really

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Speaker 4: appreciate your time and expertise and hopefully catch up again soon.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Birth That is doctor Artu Matida, the heads of Open

1205
01:00:47,893 --> 01:00:51,733
Speaker 4: Star Technologies who are doing incredible exciting work in the

1206
01:00:51,773 --> 01:00:53,053
Speaker 4: realm of nuclear fusion.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to news talks, their beedback.

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Speaker 5: For Matt then Taylor.

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Speaker 3: What a fascinating guy.

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Speaker 4: That man is, an amazing New Zealander doctor Ratu Mataia,

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Speaker 4: and what they are doing at Open Star Technologies blows

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Speaker 4: the minds.

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Speaker 2: Look at this text from here. What an amazing guy

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Speaker 2: that doctor is.

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Speaker 4: Except what you said, yeah, yeah, so we want to

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Speaker 4: open it up to you. So you've heard that interview

1217
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Speaker 4: on what they're trying to do at Open Star Technologies

1218
01:01:17,133 --> 01:01:21,373
Speaker 4: around nuclear fusion. Incredible potential of that. But what is

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Speaker 4: the future when it comes to energy in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: It's it's been a debate for for a long time.

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Speaker 4: The last couple of decades it started to ramp up,

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Speaker 4: whether that's renewables, whether it is nuclear fission, which is

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Speaker 4: your traditional Am I getting this right?

1224
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Speaker 3: That's your traditional nuclear reactor?

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Speaker 2: Split seavy atoms like uranianem starts a part to release

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Speaker 2: the energy. It produces a lot of radioactive waste as

1227
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Speaker 2: opposed to fusion, as he said, which combines light atoms

1228
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Speaker 2: and produces more energy and there is no radio waste.

1229
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Speaker 2: But unfortunately can't quite do that yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, commiscially Yeah, So I mean, do we have our

1231
01:01:56,253 --> 01:01:59,293
Speaker 4: hopes and people like doctor Ruptu Matida and his team

1232
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Speaker 4: to deliver something in the next twenty to thirty years

1233
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Speaker 4: or is that really the future of energy in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you.

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Speaker 4: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

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Speaker 4: number to call? Nine two is the text?

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Speaker 2: Or have you got all your stocks and wave energy?

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Speaker 4: I love to hear from your headlines with Raylene coming

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Speaker 4: up and taking your calls.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray lean So on the back

1261
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Speaker 4: of our discussion with doctor Ratu Matida, who is doing

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Speaker 4: incredible things in the global race for nuclear fusion. What

1263
01:03:41,093 --> 01:03:43,773
Speaker 4: is the future of energy generation in New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: A lot of positive texts coming through for the good

1265
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Speaker 2: doctor guys. That was the most interesting radio ever. Smart

1266
01:03:49,973 --> 01:03:52,973
Speaker 2: guy and a Kiwi two very similar text here from Graham.

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Speaker 2: Best guest ever understood everything, he said, A great kiwi

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01:03:56,533 --> 01:03:59,253
Speaker 2: doing great things. But this textter said that guy will

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01:03:59,293 --> 01:04:01,333
Speaker 2: kill us. All the people who say that they won't

1270
01:04:01,333 --> 01:04:03,733
Speaker 2: blow up the world are always the ones who do

1271
01:04:03,853 --> 01:04:05,813
Speaker 2: blow up the world. What are the people that have

1272
01:04:05,893 --> 01:04:08,933
Speaker 2: blown up the world? Yeah, we blow up the world. Yeah,

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01:04:09,053 --> 01:04:11,453
Speaker 2: it hasn't happened yet. All those people, all those people

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01:04:11,453 --> 01:04:12,893
Speaker 2: saying they won't blow up the world that then go

1275
01:04:12,933 --> 01:04:14,613
Speaker 2: on to blow up the world. We need more examples

1276
01:04:14,653 --> 01:04:14,813
Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: Where are they now?

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Speaker 2: We gave we gave New Zealand of the Week to

1279
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Speaker 2: open Star last week and let's do it here. Let's

1280
01:04:23,653 --> 01:04:26,773
Speaker 2: see see if you can spot the scientific era I

1281
01:04:26,933 --> 01:04:31,973
Speaker 2: made and awarding this New Zealand of the Week whilst

1282
01:04:31,973 --> 01:04:35,093
Speaker 2: the rest of us are complaining about chocolate prices. Some

1283
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Speaker 2: key with genius is in a lower warehouse of a

1284
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Speaker 2: million degree cloud of plasma levitating on a magnet, Not

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01:04:41,093 --> 01:04:44,533
Speaker 2: in Silicon Valley, not in Shanghai, not in some constant

1286
01:04:44,573 --> 01:04:48,693
Speaker 2: billion dollar EU lab. They are pulling off milestones. Most

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Speaker 2: sciences are stilled impossible.

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Speaker 3: In the lower part, I see what you did.

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Speaker 2: Can you see?

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Speaker 3: I see where you went wrong?

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Speaker 2: You see the huge scientific era I made and putting

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Speaker 2: together that New Zealand of the.

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Speaker 4: Week only thanks to your question to to top tom

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Speaker 4: at tighter is what does it sound like? And in

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Speaker 4: the ground there you clearly had a machine that was

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Speaker 4: about to ramp up to explode and take out most

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Speaker 4: of Wellington.

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01:05:13,253 --> 01:05:16,693
Speaker 2: Becurse, their plasma is in a vacuum, so it's making

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01:05:16,733 --> 01:05:19,173
Speaker 2: no sound at all, much like if you scream in space,

1300
01:05:19,253 --> 01:05:20,053
Speaker 2: you don't hear anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1302
01:05:22,573 --> 01:05:23,213
Speaker 3: the number to call.

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01:05:23,293 --> 01:05:25,613
Speaker 4: So what is the future of energy generation in New

1304
01:05:25,693 --> 01:05:28,173
Speaker 4: Zealand because there's been a lot of talk about renewables

1305
01:05:28,213 --> 01:05:30,453
Speaker 4: and what is the way forward? But all of these

1306
01:05:30,573 --> 01:05:35,733
Speaker 4: massive projects that they've floated about, they have a projected

1307
01:05:35,733 --> 01:05:39,333
Speaker 4: time span of fifteen to thirty years. So if what

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01:05:39,493 --> 01:05:41,893
Speaker 4: doctor Ratu and his team are doing they managed to

1309
01:05:41,893 --> 01:05:44,693
Speaker 4: crack at, then you're looking at at thirty years when

1310
01:05:44,733 --> 01:05:48,653
Speaker 4: we have this sort of technology available at scale, So

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01:05:48,933 --> 01:05:52,293
Speaker 4: it's a hell of a thing for policy makers to decide.

1312
01:05:52,293 --> 01:05:53,333
Speaker 3: Do we go all.

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01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:55,973
Speaker 4: In on renewable with all the problems that it does

1314
01:05:56,053 --> 01:05:58,493
Speaker 4: have in terms of being reliable. Do we start to

1315
01:05:58,493 --> 01:06:01,613
Speaker 4: look at some of the technology that they are generating

1316
01:06:01,853 --> 01:06:04,853
Speaker 4: in nuclear fission where they are getting those reactors down

1317
01:06:04,973 --> 01:06:07,653
Speaker 4: smaller and smaller and smaller, or do we go all

1318
01:06:07,693 --> 01:06:11,413
Speaker 4: in in the hopes that at open star technologies crackles line.

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01:06:11,413 --> 01:06:15,653
Speaker 2: Well, of course there's those modular nuclear fission generators that

1320
01:06:15,653 --> 01:06:17,373
Speaker 2: they've been talking about now that it'll be about the

1321
01:06:17,373 --> 01:06:19,973
Speaker 2: size of a container, so you could have one of

1322
01:06:19,973 --> 01:06:22,213
Speaker 2: them at the back of every building in the country.

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01:06:22,213 --> 01:06:25,053
Speaker 2: Of course, they produce a lot of radioactive race that

1324
01:06:25,093 --> 01:06:27,613
Speaker 2: you have to deal with that you have to concrete

1325
01:06:27,693 --> 01:06:29,613
Speaker 2: up and put into the ground or fire into space

1326
01:06:29,813 --> 01:06:31,853
Speaker 2: or whatever. And you know, the great thing about fusion

1327
01:06:32,453 --> 01:06:34,853
Speaker 2: is that you have no radioactive waste at all. The

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01:06:34,893 --> 01:06:36,893
Speaker 2: problem with fusion is that we can't quite do it

1329
01:06:36,933 --> 01:06:39,773
Speaker 2: yet in a way, well, we can't when the Sun's

1330
01:06:39,813 --> 01:06:41,853
Speaker 2: doing it all the time. Yeah, I found that really

1331
01:06:41,893 --> 01:06:43,573
Speaker 2: interesting what he was saying, that the Sun is actually

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01:06:43,613 --> 01:06:47,053
Speaker 2: not a great fusion reactor and that if you pulled

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01:06:47,093 --> 01:06:48,773
Speaker 2: your hand into the sun and pulled out a clump

1334
01:06:48,813 --> 01:06:50,813
Speaker 2: of it, it would be producing about as much money as

1335
01:06:50,853 --> 01:06:52,213
Speaker 2: a compost heat inefficient.

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01:06:52,373 --> 01:06:54,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because of the size of the sun that

1337
01:06:54,613 --> 01:06:55,013
Speaker 3: it works.

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01:06:55,133 --> 01:06:58,133
Speaker 2: But is this the area it's a kei we that's

1339
01:06:58,133 --> 01:07:01,053
Speaker 2: advanced and he was talking about Wellington is particularly set

1340
01:07:01,133 --> 01:07:04,013
Speaker 2: up to because of work that we've done before super

1341
01:07:04,013 --> 01:07:07,253
Speaker 2: conductors in this country. So is this something we should

1342
01:07:07,253 --> 01:07:10,213
Speaker 2: be pumping heaps and heat of money into. And because

1343
01:07:10,253 --> 01:07:12,893
Speaker 2: you know, imagine if New Zealand was you know, was

1344
01:07:13,093 --> 01:07:15,973
Speaker 2: leading the world in fusion and was the first people

1345
01:07:15,973 --> 01:07:18,333
Speaker 2: to doing it, could we then laud it over the

1346
01:07:18,373 --> 01:07:21,253
Speaker 2: rest of the planet and just the richest country in

1347
01:07:21,253 --> 01:07:22,493
Speaker 2: the world. Is that the way it would work?

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01:07:22,573 --> 01:07:23,053
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1349
01:07:23,173 --> 01:07:25,373
Speaker 2: Or do you want to put everything into tidal energy

1350
01:07:25,853 --> 01:07:27,413
Speaker 2: and wind farms?

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01:07:27,533 --> 01:07:32,853
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I don't know more hydro lakes waste energy,

1352
01:07:33,253 --> 01:07:36,253
Speaker 3: waste energy that has potential. So I've read anyway, but

1353
01:07:36,293 --> 01:07:38,173
Speaker 3: if you know more about it, Oh, eight hundred eighty

1354
01:07:38,213 --> 01:07:40,813
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call? Nine to nine

1355
01:07:40,933 --> 01:07:43,213
Speaker 3: two plenty of teas coming through, but really can never

1356
01:07:43,293 --> 01:07:46,853
Speaker 3: chat with you. It is eighteen to three back for surely.

1357
01:07:47,533 --> 01:07:51,413
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls on Oh,

1358
01:07:51,453 --> 01:07:53,733
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, where's Skoda?

1359
01:07:53,853 --> 01:07:57,533
Speaker 5: Can you crack the code? PLACECDA codes every day news dogs,

1360
01:07:57,533 --> 01:07:57,853
Speaker 5: that'd be.

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01:07:58,293 --> 01:08:00,333
Speaker 4: It is a quarter to three and the question were

1362
01:08:00,333 --> 01:08:02,373
Speaker 4: put to you is what is the future of electricity

1363
01:08:02,373 --> 01:08:04,493
Speaker 4: generation in New Zealand On the back of our discussion

1364
01:08:04,493 --> 01:08:08,413
Speaker 4: with doctor Ratu Mattia and Open Star Technologies team, what

1365
01:08:08,453 --> 01:08:12,413
Speaker 4: they're doing with nuclear fusion sounds very exciting. But should

1366
01:08:12,453 --> 01:08:16,213
Speaker 4: we be pumping more money into that sort of a

1367
01:08:16,293 --> 01:08:18,492
Speaker 4: research or do we need to be going full noise

1368
01:08:18,532 --> 01:08:20,133
Speaker 4: into renewables.

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01:08:19,452 --> 01:08:23,933
Speaker 2: And looks as the good doctor said, they have the

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01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:26,532
Speaker 2: government has come through with some money to support them.

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Speaker 4: Yep, thirty five million, Yeah, yeah, one hundred and eighty

1372
01:08:29,532 --> 01:08:30,692
Speaker 4: ten eighties the number to call get.

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Speaker 10: A Craig, Good afternoon.

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01:08:32,412 --> 01:08:33,692
Speaker 6: How's it going very good?

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01:08:33,772 --> 01:08:35,132
Speaker 3: So can you hear your thoughts?

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01:08:36,492 --> 01:08:38,253
Speaker 16: I find it very interesting listening to that guy. I

1377
01:08:38,253 --> 01:08:40,333
Speaker 16: find it quite interesting because I learn a lot of

1378
01:08:40,372 --> 01:08:41,852
Speaker 16: that stuff in physics when I was at school. It's

1379
01:08:41,893 --> 01:08:44,492
Speaker 16: quite interesting that someone's putting into practice. But what I

1380
01:08:44,572 --> 01:08:46,572
Speaker 16: have also been following quite it for a while now.

1381
01:08:46,572 --> 01:08:50,532
Speaker 16: As they watched the documentary on BBC last year sometime

1382
01:08:50,572 --> 01:08:53,692
Speaker 16: about a company in Gymney that are looking at the

1383
01:08:53,812 --> 01:08:56,852
Speaker 16: trino's which is basically, it's just cosmic radiation that travels

1384
01:08:56,853 --> 01:08:59,133
Speaker 16: through this through the universe and nothing really stops that

1385
01:08:59,173 --> 01:09:01,932
Speaker 16: to go through concrete or whatever, and true people as well,

1386
01:09:02,652 --> 01:09:06,852
Speaker 16: and they're looking at doing little generators that basically produce

1387
01:09:06,933 --> 01:09:09,092
Speaker 16: path from about the size of like a washing machine

1388
01:09:09,093 --> 01:09:11,173
Speaker 16: that can be put behind everybody's house and it works

1389
01:09:11,253 --> 01:09:14,412
Speaker 16: during the daytime and nighttime, cloudy or whatever, and just

1390
01:09:15,732 --> 01:09:19,772
Speaker 16: producing energy from the the trino's sexual force flowing through

1391
01:09:19,772 --> 01:09:21,652
Speaker 16: the universe and all that, which I found is quite interesting.

1392
01:09:21,732 --> 01:09:23,492
Speaker 2: I never understand the stuff because I've had a bit

1393
01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:27,173
Speaker 2: about neutrino energy. But neutrinos have zero electrical charge. That's

1394
01:09:27,213 --> 01:09:29,452
Speaker 2: why they can sort of blast through everything. You know,

1395
01:09:29,532 --> 01:09:35,492
Speaker 2: most particles interact with electromagnetic force, right, So how do

1396
01:09:35,532 --> 01:09:37,892
Speaker 2: you get I've never quite understood how you get the

1397
01:09:38,013 --> 01:09:41,772
Speaker 2: energy from neutrinos when they don't have an electric charge.

1398
01:09:42,572 --> 01:09:44,973
Speaker 16: Okay, they don't have electric charge, but they have mass.

1399
01:09:45,013 --> 01:09:47,972
Speaker 16: So basically, if you think about it, like like grains

1400
01:09:47,973 --> 01:09:50,892
Speaker 16: of rice traveling through the universe and and they all

1401
01:09:51,053 --> 01:09:53,572
Speaker 16: got so much speed and mass behind them that they've

1402
01:09:53,612 --> 01:09:56,492
Speaker 16: all added. Atomically, well, they just travel through brick walls,

1403
01:09:56,492 --> 01:09:58,532
Speaker 16: they travel through I think there's something like a million

1404
01:09:58,532 --> 01:10:01,772
Speaker 16: of them travel through every square inch of human bodies

1405
01:10:01,812 --> 01:10:04,932
Speaker 16: and whatever. And because I say dense and that, they

1406
01:10:04,973 --> 01:10:07,093
Speaker 16: don't stop. But these things they are looking at doing

1407
01:10:07,133 --> 01:10:09,133
Speaker 16: at the moment is just take get energy from their

1408
01:10:09,133 --> 01:10:11,293
Speaker 16: momentum as they pass through, so they don't actually stop

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01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:14,173
Speaker 16: anything that has passed through on the way past and

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01:10:14,213 --> 01:10:16,692
Speaker 16: produce power, which means you can have like a little

1411
01:10:16,732 --> 01:10:18,492
Speaker 16: gener over in the back of your section. It just

1412
01:10:18,732 --> 01:10:20,852
Speaker 16: runs away and does those things. That's also quite a

1413
01:10:20,853 --> 01:10:23,293
Speaker 16: good idea that I'm looking at you, quite a good

1414
01:10:23,452 --> 01:10:25,053
Speaker 16: especially you get away from a nuclear power, which it

1415
01:10:25,053 --> 01:10:26,452
Speaker 16: is a little bit dirty really. It's kind of like

1416
01:10:26,492 --> 01:10:28,492
Speaker 16: old diesel motors. They don't really run very well.

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01:10:29,293 --> 01:10:32,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, incredibly effissient. But you're right, the waste

1418
01:10:32,412 --> 01:10:35,092
Speaker 3: problem is a big problem with nobody's figured out with fission.

1419
01:10:35,452 --> 01:10:38,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the idea of fusion is you

1420
01:10:38,213 --> 01:10:41,293
Speaker 2: don't have that problem. Oh that's interesting stuff, Craig. I'll

1421
01:10:41,293 --> 01:10:43,452
Speaker 2: look into that more. I mean my understanding is, I

1422
01:10:43,452 --> 01:10:45,053
Speaker 2: mean it might have changed. I haven't watched the latter thing.

1423
01:10:45,133 --> 01:10:47,253
Speaker 2: But my thing is that it's been very hard to

1424
01:10:47,572 --> 01:10:49,372
Speaker 2: prove anything around neutrino energy.

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01:10:49,732 --> 01:10:52,253
Speaker 4: Yeah right, so yeah, so it sounds like there's probably

1426
01:10:52,253 --> 01:10:55,533
Speaker 4: a long time to go before that's commercially available.

1427
01:10:55,572 --> 01:10:56,572
Speaker 3: But interesting idea.

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01:10:56,772 --> 01:10:58,572
Speaker 4: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty can you

1429
01:10:58,612 --> 01:11:00,812
Speaker 4: hear from you what is the future of energy in

1430
01:11:00,853 --> 01:11:03,132
Speaker 4: New Zealand? Because there's no doubt we do have problems

1431
01:11:03,133 --> 01:11:06,613
Speaker 4: around energy production in New Zealand, not just us Ossie

1432
01:11:06,652 --> 01:11:08,973
Speaker 4: are really struggling with the same thing. So where do

1433
01:11:09,053 --> 01:11:12,133
Speaker 4: we put our investment? Is it the likes of nuclear effusion?

1434
01:11:12,572 --> 01:11:14,972
Speaker 4: At the moment the governor puts has put thirty five

1435
01:11:15,013 --> 01:11:17,652
Speaker 4: million bucks in? Should they just go full noise, put

1436
01:11:17,692 --> 01:11:19,692
Speaker 4: a billion in and hope for the best?

1437
01:11:20,173 --> 01:11:23,093
Speaker 2: Hang On, hang on, Saysustick. Did did doctor Ratu say

1438
01:11:23,173 --> 01:11:26,492
Speaker 2: they are levitating a half ton magnet with no supports connections? Today?

1439
01:11:26,853 --> 01:11:29,572
Speaker 2: Hear that right? Isn't that an achievement in itself? Yeah?

1440
01:11:29,572 --> 01:11:31,372
Speaker 2: I think that is their big achievement. People didn't think

1441
01:11:31,372 --> 01:11:35,053
Speaker 2: that was possible. So they're all just working out ways too.

1442
01:11:35,133 --> 01:11:37,572
Speaker 2: Because you have to make the plasma one hundred and

1443
01:11:37,652 --> 01:11:42,772
Speaker 2: fifty million degrees, so you know it's it's one one

1444
01:11:42,772 --> 01:11:47,732
Speaker 2: point five million degrees, so whatever, it has hugely difficult

1445
01:11:47,772 --> 01:11:48,412
Speaker 2: to house that.

1446
01:11:48,893 --> 01:11:50,172
Speaker 3: So they're destroying your equipment.

1447
01:11:50,253 --> 01:11:52,692
Speaker 2: So their thing is there, they're semiconducting. Mean, it's in

1448
01:11:52,692 --> 01:11:56,213
Speaker 2: the middle, so it pulls the plasma around it. Yeah,

1449
01:11:56,253 --> 01:11:58,812
Speaker 2: it's incredible stuff. It's very very cool.

1450
01:11:58,893 --> 01:11:59,253
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1451
01:11:59,333 --> 01:12:01,333
Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is the text as well. We're

1452
01:12:01,372 --> 01:12:02,852
Speaker 4: keen to hear from you, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1453
01:12:02,973 --> 01:12:06,412
Speaker 4: ten eighty. It is eleven minutes to three bag very shortly.

1454
01:12:06,973 --> 01:12:09,412
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1455
01:12:09,452 --> 01:12:13,733
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks.

1456
01:12:15,053 --> 01:12:17,053
Speaker 4: News Talks there b it is a two three what

1457
01:12:17,173 --> 01:12:19,892
Speaker 4: is the future of energy generation in New Zealand? Love

1458
01:12:19,933 --> 01:12:21,173
Speaker 4: to hear from you, get a John.

1459
01:12:22,652 --> 01:12:25,572
Speaker 17: That was a very interesting talk that guy gave. I

1460
01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:28,013
Speaker 17: remember seeing him on TV about must Don about a

1461
01:12:28,053 --> 01:12:31,452
Speaker 17: year ago and they game. We got an interview then.

1462
01:12:31,492 --> 01:12:35,093
Speaker 17: But as a side matter, I remember in the sixties

1463
01:12:35,133 --> 01:12:38,972
Speaker 17: when I was reading about infusion and it was Russia

1464
01:12:39,053 --> 01:12:42,253
Speaker 17: that actually told the West because the West were, instead

1465
01:12:42,293 --> 01:12:45,533
Speaker 17: of a magnet of the West, were using steel, different metals,

1466
01:12:45,692 --> 01:12:48,692
Speaker 17: you know, to try and contain the heat, and Russia

1467
01:12:48,732 --> 01:12:51,213
Speaker 17: said no, no is magnets. So that's the one of

1468
01:12:51,293 --> 01:12:51,692
Speaker 17: the Russia.

1469
01:12:51,692 --> 01:12:53,732
Speaker 3: I suppose that is one for them.

1470
01:12:53,772 --> 01:12:56,293
Speaker 2: But apparently in all the time down in Wellington, we

1471
01:12:56,293 --> 01:13:01,173
Speaker 2: were making incredible semiconducting magnets down there, so incredible.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:13:02,572 --> 01:13:07,532
Speaker 17: What I wanted to know really was with with the

1474
01:13:07,732 --> 01:13:12,173
Speaker 17: LGI find natural gas plant at Taranaking. I'd like to

1475
01:13:12,173 --> 01:13:14,293
Speaker 17: know what the price of natural gas is going to

1476
01:13:14,253 --> 01:13:16,333
Speaker 17: be because there's lot of houses in Auckland in New

1477
01:13:16,412 --> 01:13:19,932
Speaker 17: Zealand naturally that are on natural gas for water and

1478
01:13:19,973 --> 01:13:22,612
Speaker 17: for everything. There's a lot that are just on heat,

1479
01:13:22,692 --> 01:13:25,372
Speaker 17: on vibes and that sort of thing, but there's a

1480
01:13:25,372 --> 01:13:28,253
Speaker 17: lot that are on soft water and complete. I'd imagine

1481
01:13:28,293 --> 01:13:29,652
Speaker 17: that's going to go up by a hello, a lot

1482
01:13:29,732 --> 01:13:32,013
Speaker 17: because you know, at the moment we're getting natural gas

1483
01:13:32,053 --> 01:13:35,652
Speaker 17: from the Taranichi basin, but if you have to import

1484
01:13:35,692 --> 01:13:37,772
Speaker 17: it from I know Australia's got a ton of it,

1485
01:13:37,973 --> 01:13:39,372
Speaker 17: but I don't know if we'll get it from Australia

1486
01:13:39,452 --> 01:13:41,893
Speaker 17: or Singapore, but I can imagine it's going to be

1487
01:13:42,013 --> 01:13:45,253
Speaker 17: very expensive. And I was I didn't know that Luxon

1488
01:13:45,293 --> 01:13:49,452
Speaker 17: when he resigned He did not mention the price of

1489
01:13:49,933 --> 01:13:54,133
Speaker 17: natural gas coming down. He said power will come down,

1490
01:13:54,133 --> 01:13:55,933
Speaker 17: but he did not say that. It was careful not

1491
01:13:55,973 --> 01:13:58,333
Speaker 17: to mention a natural gas because I don't know what's

1492
01:13:58,333 --> 01:13:59,893
Speaker 17: going to hand all these people on natural gas. I

1493
01:13:59,933 --> 01:14:02,093
Speaker 17: can't imagine it being you know, is it going to

1494
01:14:02,093 --> 01:14:04,372
Speaker 17: got by forty percent? It's a hello, a lot of

1495
01:14:05,532 --> 01:14:08,212
Speaker 17: trouble bringing it in from Australia, something.

1496
01:14:08,053 --> 01:14:08,333
Speaker 19: Isn't it.

1497
01:14:08,772 --> 01:14:11,293
Speaker 2: Do you think natural gas is part of the future

1498
01:14:11,293 --> 01:14:13,692
Speaker 2: solutions to power in New Zealand? Do you do you

1499
01:14:13,732 --> 01:14:17,053
Speaker 2: think it's you know, going to be no matter what,

1500
01:14:17,572 --> 01:14:18,492
Speaker 2: slowly phased out?

1501
01:14:19,812 --> 01:14:21,532
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think it'll be him for quite a while

1502
01:14:21,572 --> 01:14:24,532
Speaker 17: because you confusion that they've been trying to fix that

1503
01:14:24,612 --> 01:14:28,412
Speaker 17: up for years, you know, in the ninety six before

1504
01:14:28,452 --> 01:14:32,293
Speaker 17: they're probably in the forties, a long way after they reckon.

1505
01:14:32,452 --> 01:14:35,812
Speaker 2: Well that well he reckoned. He was saying that he

1506
01:14:35,893 --> 01:14:39,492
Speaker 2: reckoned the early twenty and thirties, but a while before

1507
01:14:39,492 --> 01:14:43,892
Speaker 2: it's commercially viable, but being held actually put electricity into

1508
01:14:43,893 --> 01:14:47,093
Speaker 2: the grid, didn't he say in nineteen like twenty thirty one?

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01:14:47,213 --> 01:14:47,732
Speaker 3: Yep, he did.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty good.

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01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:51,213
Speaker 17: But he did mention I think in the TV thing

1512
01:14:51,293 --> 01:14:53,973
Speaker 17: that later on, Like there was a bet a year

1513
01:14:54,013 --> 01:14:56,973
Speaker 17: ago about now he would have it in production and

1514
01:14:57,173 --> 01:15:00,253
Speaker 17: just just as they you know, just for a dummy run,

1515
01:15:00,333 --> 01:15:01,532
Speaker 17: just to let people see that it could be done,

1516
01:15:01,572 --> 01:15:03,372
Speaker 17: even if I think it's been done quite a few

1517
01:15:03,372 --> 01:15:05,852
Speaker 17: times around the world, but aim for fractions of a second.

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01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,612
Speaker 2: The problem when they do it now, they pump so

1519
01:15:08,732 --> 01:15:10,452
Speaker 2: much energy and to do it that it's you know,

1520
01:15:10,492 --> 01:15:13,253
Speaker 2: if you're pumping in many, many, many times the energy

1521
01:15:13,652 --> 01:15:15,372
Speaker 2: to produce the energy.

1522
01:15:15,213 --> 01:15:19,333
Speaker 3: Then it doesn't yet it's not energy neutral or positive.

1523
01:15:19,333 --> 01:15:22,013
Speaker 2: It's the opposite of an energy source under those circumsh

1524
01:15:22,253 --> 01:15:22,612
Speaker 2: we do that.

1525
01:15:22,572 --> 01:15:26,293
Speaker 17: When they're right now anyway, don't yep for your argument.

1526
01:15:26,452 --> 01:15:29,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, John, thank you very much for for your call.

1527
01:15:29,133 --> 01:15:29,853
Speaker 3: Really appreciated.

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01:15:30,013 --> 01:15:32,253
Speaker 4: And yea, it'll be interesting to see how that liquefied

1529
01:15:32,333 --> 01:15:36,093
Speaker 4: natural gas plant goes once it is built. I mean

1530
01:15:36,133 --> 01:15:37,532
Speaker 4: to me, it was a failsafe, right, that's what the

1531
01:15:37,572 --> 01:15:41,492
Speaker 4: government said that during winter and times of excess electricity generation,

1532
01:15:41,612 --> 01:15:45,253
Speaker 4: it's there to provide a buffer because we were buggered

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01:15:45,372 --> 01:15:47,412
Speaker 4: after the changes to the oil and gas.

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01:15:47,412 --> 01:15:49,052
Speaker 2: Do you reckon there's a thing where people that idiots

1535
01:15:49,093 --> 01:15:51,692
Speaker 2: call other people idiots more than other people. If you

1536
01:15:51,732 --> 01:15:54,132
Speaker 2: see what saying that this text says, these Wellington idiots

1537
01:15:54,532 --> 01:15:56,652
Speaker 2: can shut up. They can't even stop the poos from

1538
01:15:56,692 --> 01:15:59,852
Speaker 2: going into the harbor. So they're different people. It's just

1539
01:15:59,933 --> 01:16:02,372
Speaker 2: because the council couldn't sort out their sewage system in

1540
01:16:02,412 --> 01:16:04,932
Speaker 2: Wellington doesn't mean that Sir Peter Jackson isn't a great

1541
01:16:04,973 --> 01:16:07,492
Speaker 2: movie maker. Just because they're in Wellington, that's not all

1542
01:16:07,532 --> 01:16:08,253
Speaker 2: of them can't do it.

1543
01:16:08,333 --> 01:16:09,892
Speaker 3: What do you want the doctor to do? He's busy

1544
01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:12,213
Speaker 3: sorting out nuclear fusion. You wanted to sort out the

1545
01:16:12,213 --> 01:16:12,892
Speaker 3: wastewater as well.

1546
01:16:12,933 --> 01:16:15,293
Speaker 2: You can't be out at more point as well sorting

1547
01:16:15,333 --> 01:16:15,932
Speaker 2: out the poos.

1548
01:16:16,173 --> 01:16:18,253
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much for their text. They needed

1549
01:16:18,253 --> 01:16:20,652
Speaker 3: that laugh today and thank you everyone who called him text.

1550
01:16:21,133 --> 01:16:23,812
Speaker 4: Really interesting discussion and we will follow up with doctor

1551
01:16:23,893 --> 01:16:26,333
Speaker 4: Ratu and his team maybe maybe in a few months

1552
01:16:26,372 --> 01:16:26,852
Speaker 4: and see how.

1553
01:16:26,732 --> 01:16:27,133
Speaker 8: They go in.

1554
01:16:27,253 --> 01:16:29,852
Speaker 4: But after three o'clock we want to have a chat

1555
01:16:29,893 --> 01:16:33,692
Speaker 4: about shopping trolleys. Who out there is taking shopping trolleys

1556
01:16:33,732 --> 01:16:36,133
Speaker 4: outside of the car park and dumping them outside of

1557
01:16:36,173 --> 01:16:37,612
Speaker 4: matt He's place on his boom.

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01:16:37,692 --> 01:16:38,452
Speaker 3: We want to talk to you.

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01:16:38,572 --> 01:16:43,612
Speaker 1: Next you're home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt

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01:16:43,652 --> 01:16:47,452
Speaker 1: Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with Skoda on news Talks.

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Speaker 4: It be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the

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01:16:51,213 --> 01:16:52,093
Speaker 4: show simbas three.

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01:16:52,133 --> 01:16:53,772
Speaker 2: Before we get into shopping trolleys, I just want to

1564
01:16:54,412 --> 01:16:58,572
Speaker 2: use the audience that's listening to see if I'm right

1565
01:16:58,612 --> 01:16:59,133
Speaker 2: about something.

1566
01:16:59,253 --> 01:17:00,213
Speaker 3: Okay, right, yep.

1567
01:17:00,532 --> 01:17:04,412
Speaker 2: So my lovely partner, she went to Hen's dy in

1568
01:17:04,492 --> 01:17:04,932
Speaker 2: the weekend.

1569
01:17:05,093 --> 01:17:05,333
Speaker 3: Nice.

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01:17:05,692 --> 01:17:10,293
Speaker 2: She had a few shikos, bit, she did spresty marts.

1571
01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:14,333
Speaker 2: You know, they were all around a pool, quite a

1572
01:17:14,372 --> 01:17:15,732
Speaker 2: few ladies giving a good time.

1573
01:17:15,853 --> 01:17:16,612
Speaker 3: Yep, chaotic.

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01:17:16,812 --> 01:17:18,692
Speaker 2: She came home late. I don't know if I'm talking

1575
01:17:18,692 --> 01:17:22,173
Speaker 2: out a tournament sharing her life story, but she came

1576
01:17:22,213 --> 01:17:26,412
Speaker 2: home late. And anyway, in the morning, I was lying

1577
01:17:26,492 --> 01:17:28,372
Speaker 2: in bed. And when I say morning, it was quite late.

1578
01:17:28,412 --> 01:17:29,452
Speaker 2: It was like six thirty am.

1579
01:17:31,652 --> 01:17:32,572
Speaker 3: It's a Sunday morning.

1580
01:17:32,893 --> 01:17:37,612
Speaker 2: So she was home about one am, and she went

1581
01:17:37,652 --> 01:17:39,812
Speaker 2: out about twelve at lunchtime the day before, you know,

1582
01:17:39,893 --> 01:17:42,852
Speaker 2: she was and so at a reasonable hour of six

1583
01:17:42,933 --> 01:17:48,972
Speaker 2: thirty am, I was sitting in bed watching funny videos

1584
01:17:49,013 --> 01:17:51,333
Speaker 2: on my phone as you do. Yeah, yeah, but and

1585
01:17:51,532 --> 01:17:53,812
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to make a lot of noise. But

1586
01:17:54,652 --> 01:17:57,532
Speaker 2: the jokes that I was watching were so funny that

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01:17:57,612 --> 01:18:00,772
Speaker 2: I couldn't help but laugh really, really, really loudly, and

1588
01:18:00,973 --> 01:18:02,772
Speaker 2: as a result, I woke her up right okay when

1589
01:18:02,812 --> 01:18:05,213
Speaker 2: she was trying to sleep in the spontaneous chortor it's

1590
01:18:05,253 --> 01:18:07,532
Speaker 2: a lovely thing for the person shortly. Yeah, and she

1591
01:18:07,732 --> 01:18:10,213
Speaker 2: really needed to sleep in because she had been absolutely

1592
01:18:10,253 --> 01:18:11,173
Speaker 2: on the rents rents on.

1593
01:18:11,173 --> 01:18:12,412
Speaker 3: This scenesday, Big night for Tracy.

1594
01:18:12,532 --> 01:18:12,692
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1595
01:18:12,853 --> 01:18:17,132
Speaker 2: So she was not happy with my laughing, and particularly

1596
01:18:17,213 --> 01:18:18,932
Speaker 2: not happy when I played her what I was laughing at,

1597
01:18:19,333 --> 01:18:22,652
Speaker 2: because she argued that it wasn't funny. So not only

1598
01:18:22,732 --> 01:18:25,452
Speaker 2: had I woken her up unnecessarily when she needed to

1599
01:18:25,452 --> 01:18:29,572
Speaker 2: sleep in, yeah, but I was also laughing way too

1600
01:18:29,652 --> 01:18:31,972
Speaker 2: much to things that weren't funny. So I just want

1601
01:18:32,013 --> 01:18:34,732
Speaker 2: to I just want to see if people think that

1602
01:18:34,933 --> 01:18:36,933
Speaker 2: this was funny enough for me to be laughing so

1603
01:18:37,133 --> 01:18:40,372
Speaker 2: loud that I couldn't control myself in it and it

1604
01:18:40,452 --> 01:18:42,812
Speaker 2: woke her up, okay, all right at the reasonable hour

1605
01:18:42,893 --> 01:18:46,093
Speaker 2: of six thirty am. Okay, So this is this is

1606
01:18:46,133 --> 01:18:49,852
Speaker 2: a guy called I think you'd say Logan Lyle. Would

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01:18:49,853 --> 01:18:51,612
Speaker 2: you say that l I s l e.

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01:18:52,053 --> 01:18:54,692
Speaker 3: I think that's right. Logan Lyle, Yeah, Logan Lile yep.

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01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:57,812
Speaker 2: Okay. So I want to hear from you nine two

1610
01:18:57,893 --> 01:19:00,452
Speaker 2: nine two whether this is These jokes are funny enough

1611
01:19:00,532 --> 01:19:04,293
Speaker 2: to justify laughing as loudly as I was.

1612
01:19:04,732 --> 01:19:06,372
Speaker 20: My son was chewing on a let's goal cords, so

1613
01:19:06,412 --> 01:19:10,012
Speaker 20: I had to ground him. He's doing better currently conducting

1614
01:19:10,053 --> 01:19:14,652
Speaker 20: himself properly. The internet connection at my farm is really sketchy,

1615
01:19:15,173 --> 01:19:16,452
Speaker 20: so I moved the moteve to the barn.

1616
01:19:19,093 --> 01:19:20,253
Speaker 6: Now I have stable WiFi.

1617
01:19:21,772 --> 01:19:24,452
Speaker 20: You think gas and electric bills are expensive? Have you

1618
01:19:24,532 --> 01:19:27,972
Speaker 20: seen chimneys? They're through the roof.

1619
01:19:30,452 --> 01:19:32,812
Speaker 3: Yesterday I opened my water bill and my electric bill

1620
01:19:32,812 --> 01:19:33,412
Speaker 3: at the same time.

1621
01:19:34,772 --> 01:19:35,452
Speaker 5: I was shocked.

1622
01:19:41,652 --> 01:19:45,612
Speaker 20: I've combined a laxative with alphabet soup.

1623
01:19:47,333 --> 01:19:49,692
Speaker 2: I call it letter rip.

1624
01:19:57,732 --> 01:20:00,213
Speaker 7: Every morning I announce I'm going jogging in my family

1625
01:20:00,812 --> 01:20:01,933
Speaker 7: and then I I don't go.

1626
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:04,572
Speaker 6: It's a running joke.

1627
01:20:08,333 --> 01:20:10,013
Speaker 2: You're laughing, Tyler, Oh, and.

1628
01:20:10,053 --> 01:20:12,012
Speaker 4: I tried not to because I didn't want to influence

1629
01:20:12,452 --> 01:20:13,652
Speaker 4: the audience one way or the other.

1630
01:20:13,732 --> 01:20:16,652
Speaker 2: But I mean so, I mean some of my defense.

1631
01:20:16,692 --> 01:20:19,772
Speaker 2: There's no way that you could listen to those jokes

1632
01:20:20,692 --> 01:20:23,333
Speaker 2: in the morning without laughing. So loud that it woke

1633
01:20:23,412 --> 01:20:23,772
Speaker 2: someone up.

1634
01:20:23,933 --> 01:20:28,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, so nineteen ninety two, clearly that was freaking hilarious.

1635
01:20:29,093 --> 01:20:31,053
Speaker 4: But what do you say, I mean, was Tracy right here?

1636
01:20:31,093 --> 01:20:33,932
Speaker 4: I mean to be fear to Tracy definitely hungover, hadn't

1637
01:20:33,973 --> 01:20:36,492
Speaker 4: had much sleep, woken up.

1638
01:20:36,452 --> 01:20:40,572
Speaker 3: By some chortling. You play what probably was quite a

1639
01:20:40,612 --> 01:20:41,412
Speaker 3: punishing video to.

1640
01:20:41,452 --> 01:20:45,253
Speaker 2: The next says more of a smile, maybe an eyebrow rose,

1641
01:20:45,772 --> 01:20:46,973
Speaker 2: eyebrow raised.

1642
01:20:46,772 --> 01:20:49,452
Speaker 3: Not actual laughter from those Yeah, right, yeah, that's fair.

1643
01:20:49,652 --> 01:20:52,372
Speaker 2: And Campbell say's guys, they are not funny at all

1644
01:20:52,612 --> 01:20:55,812
Speaker 2: from Campbell. See Campbell, you might have to hand in

1645
01:20:55,893 --> 01:20:59,732
Speaker 2: your Campbell can't be your dad. Yeah, yeah, And if

1646
01:20:59,772 --> 01:21:01,692
Speaker 2: he is a daddy, might have to hand his kids

1647
01:21:01,772 --> 01:21:07,013
Speaker 2: into you know, ki, because me he's obviously not fit

1648
01:21:07,093 --> 01:21:07,572
Speaker 2: to be a father.

1649
01:21:07,933 --> 01:21:11,492
Speaker 4: They are some jokes like this one, guys, that is

1650
01:21:11,732 --> 01:21:14,812
Speaker 4: the best site for dare jokes. Those guys are absolutely hilarious.

1651
01:21:14,893 --> 01:21:16,732
Speaker 2: I think the reason why they're so funny is because

1652
01:21:17,452 --> 01:21:19,812
Speaker 2: they just look sad after they've delivered the jokes. Yeah,

1653
01:21:19,853 --> 01:21:26,213
Speaker 2: because they're not because it's it's funny because they're so bad.

1654
01:21:26,772 --> 01:21:29,412
Speaker 3: It's the delivery. Yeah, the delivery is beautiful.

1655
01:21:29,412 --> 01:21:32,492
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I think it's fair to say seventy

1656
01:21:32,492 --> 01:21:35,893
Speaker 4: percent of the ticks coming through hilarious, only a couple saying.

1657
01:21:36,293 --> 01:21:37,652
Speaker 2: Lame and protectable lads.

1658
01:21:38,013 --> 01:21:42,412
Speaker 4: Sorry, okay, right, they keep those sticks coming through. Holy moly,

1659
01:21:42,492 --> 01:21:44,692
Speaker 4: it's just blown up. They are coming through thick and fast.

1660
01:21:44,853 --> 01:21:46,973
Speaker 4: All right, all right, we'll tell you them up at

1661
01:21:46,973 --> 01:21:48,092
Speaker 4: the end of the show and see.

1662
01:21:47,893 --> 01:21:48,293
Speaker 3: Where we're at.

1663
01:21:48,412 --> 01:21:49,933
Speaker 2: It looks like most people are with Tracy on this.

1664
01:21:50,452 --> 01:21:54,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, coming up after after we play some messages,

1665
01:21:54,293 --> 01:21:56,772
Speaker 4: we won't have a chat about shopping trolleys and people

1666
01:21:56,853 --> 01:21:59,412
Speaker 4: who take them out of car parks. This is something

1667
01:21:59,452 --> 01:22:00,932
Speaker 4: that's impected your life recently.

1668
01:22:01,013 --> 01:22:04,372
Speaker 2: Me yea several times recently over the last two years,

1669
01:22:04,492 --> 01:22:06,133
Speaker 2: I've ended up with a shopping trolley on my burn

1670
01:22:06,732 --> 01:22:09,652
Speaker 2: and it just makes me think, who does this is

1671
01:22:09,732 --> 01:22:12,213
Speaker 2: this is a huge problem shopping trolleys everywhere, right yep?

1672
01:22:12,532 --> 01:22:15,772
Speaker 2: So who thinks that they can just leave? And I

1673
01:22:15,853 --> 01:22:18,173
Speaker 2: want to hear the side of it as well, Who

1674
01:22:18,253 --> 01:22:21,453
Speaker 2: thinks that it's your right to just take your groceries

1675
01:22:21,452 --> 01:22:24,532
Speaker 2: in a shopping trolley, walk it up a street and

1676
01:22:24,532 --> 01:22:26,013
Speaker 2: then when you get close enough to your hand, take

1677
01:22:26,093 --> 01:22:29,492
Speaker 2: the shopping out and leave the shopping trolley. How could

1678
01:22:29,572 --> 01:22:33,612
Speaker 2: you operate in a world? I think that if you

1679
01:22:33,692 --> 01:22:35,812
Speaker 2: see someone walking down the street and they've left a

1680
01:22:35,933 --> 01:22:38,253
Speaker 2: supermarket with the shopping and the trolley, I think you

1681
01:22:38,293 --> 01:22:41,173
Speaker 2: could arrest them and you would find out that they're

1682
01:22:41,173 --> 01:22:45,253
Speaker 2: committing other horrendous scribes. I think they checking their basement.

1683
01:22:45,293 --> 01:22:49,733
Speaker 2: They'll be keeping gimps down there. I think it signifies

1684
01:22:50,173 --> 01:22:55,732
Speaker 2: just a level of evil to just not even care

1685
01:22:55,973 --> 01:22:59,333
Speaker 2: about the fact that the shopping trolley belongs to the supermarket,

1686
01:22:59,853 --> 01:23:02,253
Speaker 2: and also that it's someone else is going to have

1687
01:23:02,333 --> 01:23:04,052
Speaker 2: to deal with the shopping trolley that you just dumped

1688
01:23:04,053 --> 01:23:04,732
Speaker 2: on their boom.

1689
01:23:05,293 --> 01:23:09,333
Speaker 4: So if they're doing the stealing super market trolleys from supermarkets,

1690
01:23:09,372 --> 01:23:12,212
Speaker 4: you reckon. It's possible that they've got an e gain situation.

1691
01:23:12,293 --> 01:23:15,213
Speaker 4: At the same time. You know that's that high level.

1692
01:23:15,253 --> 01:23:17,253
Speaker 4: But what do you say, I eatee hundred eighty ten eighty.

1693
01:23:17,452 --> 01:23:19,532
Speaker 2: I will say, what is the mentality of someone that

1694
01:23:19,532 --> 01:23:21,133
Speaker 2: would steal and dumper chopping trilly?

1695
01:23:21,253 --> 01:23:23,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, come on through. I E one hundred eighty

1696
01:23:23,173 --> 01:23:25,492
Speaker 4: ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two ninety

1697
01:23:25,492 --> 01:23:26,532
Speaker 4: two is the text back?

1698
01:23:26,572 --> 01:23:26,732
Speaker 17: Fore?

1699
01:23:26,772 --> 01:23:30,213
Speaker 3: Shortly it's thirteen bus three New's talk said, be good afternoon,

1700
01:23:30,293 --> 01:23:31,972
Speaker 3: due sixteen past three.

1701
01:23:33,013 --> 01:23:35,412
Speaker 2: A lot of people are giving me grief because I'm

1702
01:23:35,612 --> 01:23:37,932
Speaker 2: in bed laughing and waking up my partner when she's

1703
01:23:37,973 --> 01:23:41,133
Speaker 2: hungover and saying that. This text to end says, mate,

1704
01:23:41,253 --> 01:23:43,892
Speaker 2: not funny enough to blow such a point scoring opportunity

1705
01:23:43,893 --> 01:23:48,133
Speaker 2: to let the missus sleep, make her breakfast easy win fair? Well? No,

1706
01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:50,372
Speaker 2: is it because how much somethingy do I get when

1707
01:23:50,412 --> 01:23:51,293
Speaker 2: I'm massively hungover?

1708
01:23:51,532 --> 01:23:52,133
Speaker 20: No? None?

1709
01:23:52,173 --> 01:23:52,612
Speaker 2: Sympathy?

1710
01:23:52,893 --> 01:23:55,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here. But

1711
01:23:55,572 --> 01:23:57,652
Speaker 4: part of it was she was massively hungover after a

1712
01:23:57,692 --> 01:24:00,012
Speaker 4: big night out six thirty in the morning. She was annoyed,

1713
01:24:00,412 --> 01:24:02,253
Speaker 4: and then was part of your mentality. I'm going to

1714
01:24:02,333 --> 01:24:04,572
Speaker 4: make you happy by sharing my joy with you.

1715
01:24:04,933 --> 01:24:07,372
Speaker 3: Have a watch of this. But clearly it just didn't land.

1716
01:24:07,492 --> 01:24:09,933
Speaker 2: Well, Wendy says, you're and consider it immature jerk. She

1717
01:24:09,973 --> 01:24:11,333
Speaker 2: should have punched you in the face.

1718
01:24:11,532 --> 01:24:11,973
Speaker 10: There is that?

1719
01:24:12,572 --> 01:24:16,772
Speaker 2: So that was worthy of domestic violence? Hey, So, anyway

1720
01:24:16,812 --> 01:24:21,253
Speaker 2: back to the supermarket trolley situation. So there's this thing,

1721
01:24:21,333 --> 01:24:23,213
Speaker 2: the supermarket trolley theory, and you must have heard of

1722
01:24:23,253 --> 01:24:26,012
Speaker 2: this I have, yep, sometimes called the shopping cart theory.

1723
01:24:26,492 --> 01:24:29,493
Speaker 2: So the basic idea is, after you've unloaded your groceries,

1724
01:24:29,532 --> 01:24:31,933
Speaker 2: you have two choices, right return the trolley to the

1725
01:24:32,013 --> 01:24:36,412
Speaker 2: designated bay, or leave it loose in the car park yep,

1726
01:24:36,612 --> 01:24:39,893
Speaker 2: right at the supermarket. So the reason why this is

1727
01:24:39,893 --> 01:24:41,372
Speaker 2: a judge of whether you're a good person or not

1728
01:24:41,612 --> 01:24:44,772
Speaker 2: is because there's no law forcing you to return the trolley.

1729
01:24:45,213 --> 01:24:47,892
Speaker 2: It's just a thing you do because you're nice. There's

1730
01:24:47,933 --> 01:24:51,732
Speaker 2: no financial reward for doing the right thing and returning

1731
01:24:51,772 --> 01:24:54,412
Speaker 2: the trolley to its bay correct and there's no real

1732
01:24:54,452 --> 01:24:58,333
Speaker 2: punishment if you don't, maybe there might be some someone

1733
01:24:58,412 --> 01:25:02,492
Speaker 2: might judge you. So returning the trolley is a test

1734
01:25:02,572 --> 01:25:04,732
Speaker 2: of whether a person will do the right thing when

1735
01:25:04,772 --> 01:25:09,333
Speaker 2: there is no enforcement, no reward, and no mediate consequence.

1736
01:25:09,772 --> 01:25:12,492
Speaker 2: So if you're a per type person a supermarket that

1737
01:25:12,652 --> 01:25:17,892
Speaker 2: returns the trolley, then you are generally probably more likely

1738
01:25:17,973 --> 01:25:18,892
Speaker 2: to just be a good person.

1739
01:25:19,013 --> 01:25:19,173
Speaker 10: Yep.

1740
01:25:19,333 --> 01:25:21,412
Speaker 2: I mean some people might think you're a sucker because

1741
01:25:21,452 --> 01:25:23,532
Speaker 2: you paid seven hundred dollars for your grocery, so you're

1742
01:25:23,532 --> 01:25:25,133
Speaker 2: still helping the supermarket out.

1743
01:25:25,293 --> 01:25:25,692
Speaker 3: Could be that.

1744
01:25:25,973 --> 01:25:27,973
Speaker 2: So what does that mean? If that means you're a

1745
01:25:28,013 --> 01:25:31,372
Speaker 2: good person for returning it to the bay within the

1746
01:25:31,412 --> 01:25:34,213
Speaker 2: supermarket car park. How much of a bad person are

1747
01:25:34,293 --> 01:25:37,612
Speaker 2: you if you're wheeling around a stolen supermarket trolley outside

1748
01:25:37,612 --> 01:25:39,612
Speaker 2: of the supermarket and then just dumping it on someone's

1749
01:25:39,612 --> 01:25:44,293
Speaker 2: butt burm Many magnitudes are worse a person than someone

1750
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:47,293
Speaker 2: that just leaves the shopping trolley somewhere randomly in the

1751
01:25:47,333 --> 01:25:47,692
Speaker 2: car park.

1752
01:25:47,812 --> 01:25:47,972
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1753
01:25:48,293 --> 01:25:50,173
Speaker 4: Do you know the most egregious part about that for

1754
01:25:50,293 --> 01:25:52,173
Speaker 4: me is they lift it on your bom and not

1755
01:25:52,253 --> 01:25:54,972
Speaker 4: their own burm. Because you can say, yep, it's theft

1756
01:25:55,013 --> 01:25:57,652
Speaker 4: taking the trolley outside of the supermarket grounds. But if

1757
01:25:57,692 --> 01:25:59,972
Speaker 4: you genuinely had a good reason for needing it, maybe

1758
01:25:59,973 --> 01:26:02,492
Speaker 4: you've got a dicky knee, who knows. But then the

1759
01:26:02,652 --> 01:26:05,092
Speaker 4: very fact that you just dump it outside of somebody

1760
01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:08,253
Speaker 4: else property instead of your own, that's what really goals,

1761
01:26:08,572 --> 01:26:11,892
Speaker 4: because you've got a genuine reason for having it, put.

1762
01:26:11,772 --> 01:26:12,772
Speaker 3: It on your own bloody burm.

1763
01:26:13,093 --> 01:26:13,293
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1764
01:26:13,293 --> 01:26:15,253
Speaker 2: But see, that's that's the thing that I think is

1765
01:26:15,293 --> 01:26:18,213
Speaker 2: really scummy because you have obviously used it, but you

1766
01:26:18,492 --> 01:26:21,372
Speaker 2: don't want to take the heat from taking the shopping trolley.

1767
01:26:21,452 --> 01:26:23,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you've dumped it on somebody else. Oh, one

1768
01:26:23,372 --> 01:26:26,452
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Really

1769
01:26:26,532 --> 01:26:28,972
Speaker 4: keen to hear your thoughts about why what's the mentality

1770
01:26:29,053 --> 01:26:31,652
Speaker 4: that goes through someone's mind who steals a supermarket trolley?

1771
01:26:32,333 --> 01:26:33,732
Speaker 3: Kevin, how are you hello?

1772
01:26:33,973 --> 01:26:34,333
Speaker 7: Do they go?

1773
01:26:34,532 --> 01:26:34,812
Speaker 6: How are you?

1774
01:26:35,093 --> 01:26:35,412
Speaker 2: Very good?

1775
01:26:36,013 --> 01:26:38,133
Speaker 10: Hey, we've just got to follow what Australia does. You

1776
01:26:38,173 --> 01:26:39,932
Speaker 10: go with the malls over there and you put your

1777
01:26:39,973 --> 01:26:41,692
Speaker 10: trolley back on the line and it spits out the

1778
01:26:41,732 --> 01:26:42,412
Speaker 10: one dollar coin?

1779
01:26:42,853 --> 01:26:44,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we do that? I guess coins are

1780
01:26:44,612 --> 01:26:47,173
Speaker 2: hard to come by now? But why why are they?

1781
01:26:47,253 --> 01:26:47,372
Speaker 13: Why?

1782
01:26:47,532 --> 01:26:49,532
Speaker 2: Because because you could also geo lock them, couldn't you?

1783
01:26:49,612 --> 01:26:52,013
Speaker 2: So the brakes would just come on the trolley if

1784
01:26:52,013 --> 01:26:53,213
Speaker 2: you tried to wheel it out in the front of

1785
01:26:53,253 --> 01:26:55,933
Speaker 2: the supermaker there to do that.

1786
01:26:56,173 --> 01:26:57,933
Speaker 10: But there's the one thing we've got to give. We

1787
01:26:58,013 --> 01:27:00,652
Speaker 10: can tell that the person that did dump that trolley

1788
01:27:00,692 --> 01:27:06,692
Speaker 10: on your boom definitely wasn't a musician, ain't because that

1789
01:27:06,772 --> 01:27:12,772
Speaker 10: wouldn't be the way you'd conduct it. Cry waking your

1790
01:27:12,772 --> 01:27:13,652
Speaker 10: wife up on that one.

1791
01:27:13,933 --> 01:27:15,652
Speaker 3: Very good, Kevin, Very good mate.

1792
01:27:16,253 --> 01:27:17,572
Speaker 2: See that's quality from Kevin.

1793
01:27:17,692 --> 01:27:19,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the gift that keeps on giving.

1794
01:27:19,253 --> 01:27:21,652
Speaker 2: Like he came in with a good point about supermarket trolleys,

1795
01:27:21,652 --> 01:27:25,452
Speaker 2: but so with a solid gag. Yeah, fantastic. He is

1796
01:27:25,532 --> 01:27:28,173
Speaker 2: both a good person for his views on supermarke trolleys,

1797
01:27:28,213 --> 01:27:29,572
Speaker 2: but also he brings joy to the world.

1798
01:27:29,732 --> 01:27:30,852
Speaker 3: More of Kevin's in this world.

1799
01:27:30,933 --> 01:27:33,133
Speaker 4: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1800
01:27:33,133 --> 01:27:35,732
Speaker 4: to call the people that take supermarket trolleys outside of

1801
01:27:35,772 --> 01:27:37,772
Speaker 4: the car park? What do you think the mentality is?

1802
01:27:37,853 --> 01:27:39,652
Speaker 4: Love to hear from you? Nine to two ninety two

1803
01:27:39,772 --> 01:27:41,253
Speaker 4: is the text as well. It's twenty past.

1804
01:27:41,093 --> 01:27:48,213
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1805
01:27:48,333 --> 01:27:50,812
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1806
01:27:50,973 --> 01:27:52,572
Speaker 3: Twenty three pass three.

1807
01:27:52,933 --> 01:27:54,772
Speaker 4: So what is the mentality of people that take shopping

1808
01:27:54,812 --> 01:27:56,932
Speaker 4: trolleys outside of the car parks and dump them on booms?

1809
01:27:57,013 --> 01:27:58,492
Speaker 2: I think we can answer that with this text here.

1810
01:27:58,692 --> 01:28:02,012
Speaker 2: I take trolleys, the prices they charge for butter and meat.

1811
01:28:02,412 --> 01:28:03,093
Speaker 2: They deserve it.

1812
01:28:04,333 --> 01:28:07,892
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a hell of a way to look at life, so.

1813
01:28:08,053 --> 01:28:10,692
Speaker 2: That they deserve it. So it's someone at the tex

1814
01:28:10,853 --> 01:28:14,053
Speaker 2: Sumat trolley's cost the Sumac around three hundred bucks. So

1815
01:28:15,372 --> 01:28:16,972
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get my head around the logic

1816
01:28:17,133 --> 01:28:22,093
Speaker 2: they deserve it, Well you didn't, So how does that work?

1817
01:28:22,572 --> 01:28:25,652
Speaker 2: Because say you go, say you know, you're just buying

1818
01:28:25,692 --> 01:28:28,652
Speaker 2: a nice ring for your partner tyler, yep, would you

1819
01:28:28,772 --> 01:28:31,092
Speaker 2: go and steal another ring? And you go the price

1820
01:28:31,173 --> 01:28:34,492
Speaker 2: that they are charging for selling me this engagement ring,

1821
01:28:34,772 --> 01:28:36,213
Speaker 2: they deserve me to steal.

1822
01:28:36,133 --> 01:28:41,412
Speaker 4: A daylight robbery coming back, I'm taking silver ring instead

1823
01:28:41,412 --> 01:28:42,933
Speaker 4: of a gold one. Doesn't quite work that way. Un

1824
01:28:42,973 --> 01:28:44,572
Speaker 4: least you're smelting down the trolley. I don't know how

1825
01:28:44,572 --> 01:28:46,012
Speaker 4: you're going to get that money back for your butter?

1826
01:28:46,213 --> 01:28:49,452
Speaker 2: Were people so the whole butter thing in New Zealand?

1827
01:28:49,532 --> 01:28:55,092
Speaker 2: It's insane, that is. The hysteria is out of control.

1828
01:28:55,213 --> 01:29:00,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice is the deck a Chrisday?

1829
01:29:01,253 --> 01:29:04,692
Speaker 21: How you personally about the trolleys boys? Used to be

1830
01:29:04,772 --> 01:29:09,532
Speaker 21: a trolley boy? Oh yeah, I christ Church and people

1831
01:29:09,532 --> 01:29:12,532
Speaker 21: who take them outside of the vicinity to me, they're

1832
01:29:12,612 --> 01:29:22,852
Speaker 21: absolute criminals. Yeah, absolutely criminals. When when you were talking about,

1833
01:29:23,213 --> 01:29:26,333
Speaker 21: you know, your wife turns up after a bit of

1834
01:29:26,412 --> 01:29:31,692
Speaker 21: a long night out and then you rock up and

1835
01:29:32,572 --> 01:29:37,053
Speaker 21: play your videos and your dad jokes I do this.

1836
01:29:37,173 --> 01:29:39,612
Speaker 18: To my wife as well, and she wants to say

1837
01:29:39,692 --> 01:29:41,253
Speaker 18: something that.

1838
01:29:41,492 --> 01:29:42,652
Speaker 15: Is absolute criminals.

1839
01:29:46,173 --> 01:29:50,053
Speaker 21: We were having lunch together and then you brought that

1840
01:29:50,333 --> 01:29:53,372
Speaker 21: she looked straight into mind. She goes, Oh, it's not

1841
01:29:53,692 --> 01:29:56,133
Speaker 21: just you, it's all of you from across the bitch.

1842
01:29:57,572 --> 01:30:00,452
Speaker 3: What's your lovely wife's name, Angela?

1843
01:30:00,652 --> 01:30:03,772
Speaker 4: Angela, So not one part of that that that skit

1844
01:30:03,853 --> 01:30:05,972
Speaker 4: you found you didn't have a wee shortal Angela.

1845
01:30:06,053 --> 01:30:09,013
Speaker 3: You went sort of listening there and think, you know

1846
01:30:09,133 --> 01:30:10,412
Speaker 3: that's that's that's hilarious.

1847
01:30:11,572 --> 01:30:11,612
Speaker 10: No.

1848
01:30:12,213 --> 01:30:15,932
Speaker 15: I thought the jokes were like bad, so so bad,

1849
01:30:16,093 --> 01:30:18,133
Speaker 15: and and Chris is the ones that are.

1850
01:30:18,293 --> 01:30:19,093
Speaker 2: Just as bad.

1851
01:30:19,173 --> 01:30:23,333
Speaker 11: I'm thinking you've broken me up after the precious few

1852
01:30:23,412 --> 01:30:24,973
Speaker 11: hours that I get to sleeping in.

1853
01:30:25,893 --> 01:30:27,092
Speaker 15: For that crap.

1854
01:30:29,612 --> 01:30:34,133
Speaker 2: But the but in our defense, we're bored and we

1855
01:30:34,253 --> 01:30:34,772
Speaker 2: want attention.

1856
01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:36,772
Speaker 8: That's right.

1857
01:30:36,893 --> 01:30:37,732
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's all it is.

1858
01:30:38,452 --> 01:30:38,892
Speaker 17: The attention.

1859
01:30:39,053 --> 01:30:41,692
Speaker 22: You haven't seen them for a good six hours, and

1860
01:30:41,772 --> 01:30:43,812
Speaker 22: it's like, oh, oh she's here and I can play

1861
01:30:43,853 --> 01:30:47,013
Speaker 22: a funny joke and and happy that I love her up.

1862
01:30:47,093 --> 01:30:47,452
Speaker 18: No, we're not.

1863
01:30:47,893 --> 01:30:48,852
Speaker 15: I'm not happy at all.

1864
01:30:50,093 --> 01:30:51,812
Speaker 3: You're amazing, Chris.

1865
01:30:51,973 --> 01:30:54,892
Speaker 21: You go, we're being told by the wives, haven't we.

1866
01:30:55,652 --> 01:30:57,893
Speaker 3: Thanks for your cool christ spot on. I mean, I

1867
01:30:57,933 --> 01:31:00,213
Speaker 3: think it is like their reactions, the fun part, isn't it.

1868
01:31:00,853 --> 01:31:02,612
Speaker 3: But thank you very much for giving us a buzz

1869
01:31:02,652 --> 01:31:06,692
Speaker 3: get a Brent. Hello, how are you gird? Do you

1870
01:31:06,732 --> 01:31:08,052
Speaker 3: want to talk about trolley thieves?

1871
01:31:09,893 --> 01:31:14,452
Speaker 14: Well, have you guys seen uh?

1872
01:31:15,732 --> 01:31:17,852
Speaker 2: Oh, you're one of my favorite shows of all times.

1873
01:31:17,893 --> 01:31:19,452
Speaker 2: And of course Bubbles mine too.

1874
01:31:19,853 --> 01:31:24,572
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm lucky to remind you of Bubbles made business

1875
01:31:24,612 --> 01:31:24,973
Speaker 10: out of it.

1876
01:31:25,173 --> 01:31:30,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the greatest treats those trolleys when he's

1877
01:31:30,412 --> 01:31:35,612
Speaker 2: fixing them. It's it's great. I was lucky enough to

1878
01:31:35,973 --> 01:31:39,253
Speaker 2: have a night out with with Mike Smith who plays Bubbles.

1879
01:31:40,053 --> 01:31:42,732
Speaker 2: When when they came over to New Zealand, they came

1880
01:31:42,772 --> 01:31:46,173
Speaker 2: on my radio show, Julian it was on as well,

1881
01:31:46,652 --> 01:31:50,133
Speaker 2: and yeah, they were great guys. But Bubbles is kind

1882
01:31:50,133 --> 01:31:52,333
Speaker 2: of the boss when he takes his glasses off, he's

1883
01:31:52,372 --> 01:31:56,372
Speaker 2: actually Mike Smith is actually kind of the He's he's

1884
01:31:56,412 --> 01:31:57,173
Speaker 2: the smart.

1885
01:31:56,893 --> 01:32:00,612
Speaker 3: One, right, he's the leader of the Yeah. Interesting, he's

1886
01:32:00,692 --> 01:32:03,972
Speaker 3: kind of the leader of the boys. Because you got Julian,

1887
01:32:04,013 --> 01:32:07,692
Speaker 3: you've got Bubbles, you got mister Leahy. His name Randy.

1888
01:32:07,812 --> 01:32:10,933
Speaker 3: But who's the other of the trio. His name just

1889
01:32:11,053 --> 01:32:11,492
Speaker 3: escapes me.

1890
01:32:11,772 --> 01:32:13,732
Speaker 2: You got Randy me too?

1891
01:32:14,333 --> 01:32:14,492
Speaker 13: Oh?

1892
01:32:14,652 --> 01:32:20,492
Speaker 3: Yes, Nels, Elvis, Yes, yeah, that's a yeah, fantastic, No.

1893
01:32:20,572 --> 01:32:23,213
Speaker 2: No, sorry, yeah, this Uly know, Randy's got the guts.

1894
01:32:23,293 --> 01:32:25,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Randy's mister Lahy's sidecar.

1895
01:32:26,093 --> 01:32:29,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to weave that out. Yeah, we've gotta

1896
01:32:29,812 --> 01:32:30,652
Speaker 2: we yeah that out.

1897
01:32:30,732 --> 01:32:32,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy, but great show and you find right bubbles

1898
01:32:32,933 --> 01:32:36,412
Speaker 3: bubbles would be yeah, sorry, you go sorry.

1899
01:32:38,732 --> 01:32:44,893
Speaker 23: These are people who obviously don't have a car and

1900
01:32:44,973 --> 01:32:47,852
Speaker 23: they're going up against the duoperly that have brought up

1901
01:32:48,093 --> 01:32:53,612
Speaker 23: piece of plans in the country that where are possible

1902
01:32:54,732 --> 01:32:56,572
Speaker 23: competition can sprout up?

1903
01:32:56,652 --> 01:33:01,933
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Ricky Ricky, Ricky Recky was

1904
01:33:01,973 --> 01:33:04,612
Speaker 3: the one I forgot about the great show, right, one

1905
01:33:04,692 --> 01:33:07,253
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1906
01:33:07,532 --> 01:33:10,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll it. As husbands, it is our duty to

1907
01:33:10,532 --> 01:33:11,293
Speaker 2: annoy our wives.

1908
01:33:11,412 --> 01:33:12,492
Speaker 3: Naws it exactly.

1909
01:33:12,652 --> 01:33:12,852
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1910
01:33:13,452 --> 01:33:16,572
Speaker 3: Headlines coming up and taking more of your calls. Ten

1911
01:33:16,652 --> 01:33:17,932
Speaker 3: eighty twenty eight past three.

1912
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean.

1933
01:34:32,492 --> 01:34:35,173
Speaker 4: So we are talking about people who take trolleys out

1934
01:34:35,213 --> 01:34:37,372
Speaker 4: of supermarket car parks and dump them on the side

1935
01:34:37,372 --> 01:34:37,812
Speaker 4: of the road.

1936
01:34:37,893 --> 01:34:39,812
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What is the

1937
01:34:39,893 --> 01:34:40,852
Speaker 3: mentality of those people?

1938
01:34:40,973 --> 01:34:43,773
Speaker 2: Well, bubbles, he fixes them and returns them to the supermarkets.

1939
01:34:44,412 --> 01:34:46,853
Speaker 2: I did a serve of people taking trolleys from supermarkets,

1940
01:34:46,853 --> 01:34:48,492
Speaker 2: says this text out and when I confronted them, the

1941
01:34:48,612 --> 01:34:51,093
Speaker 2: underlying theme was they all felt it was their right

1942
01:34:51,213 --> 01:34:53,772
Speaker 2: to do so, given they were taking groceries home. The

1943
01:34:53,893 --> 01:34:58,293
Speaker 2: trolley was often the transport for the groceries. Yeah, but

1944
01:34:58,412 --> 01:35:01,932
Speaker 2: I mean you've got to be returning it then, I mean,

1945
01:35:01,933 --> 01:35:04,173
Speaker 2: if you were, if you wheeled the trolley all the

1946
01:35:04,213 --> 01:35:08,612
Speaker 2: way home with your groceries, groceries and then return the trolley, fine, yep,

1947
01:35:08,812 --> 01:35:10,372
Speaker 2: you know, maybe even have a bit of fun riding

1948
01:35:10,412 --> 01:35:11,532
Speaker 2: in it at some point.

1949
01:35:11,652 --> 01:35:11,812
Speaker 10: Yep.

1950
01:35:12,133 --> 01:35:14,612
Speaker 3: They can be fun. Yeah, very fun actually sure.

1951
01:35:15,173 --> 01:35:17,412
Speaker 2: But it's the dumping them on someone else's berm or

1952
01:35:17,452 --> 01:35:19,692
Speaker 2: hiffing them into a waterway that is the problem.

1953
01:35:19,853 --> 01:35:22,972
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so I would venture to say, but people,

1954
01:35:23,053 --> 01:35:23,932
Speaker 3: I'd say very.

1955
01:35:23,812 --> 01:35:26,492
Speaker 2: Few people are wheeling the trolley trolley home and then

1956
01:35:26,572 --> 01:35:26,972
Speaker 2: back again.

1957
01:35:27,213 --> 01:35:30,092
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say less than five percent. Oh, one hundred

1958
01:35:30,093 --> 01:35:32,173
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty has seen number to call. Plenty

1959
01:35:32,213 --> 01:35:36,652
Speaker 4: of texts coming through on nine two ninety two is well, hey.

1960
01:35:36,572 --> 01:35:38,612
Speaker 2: Guys, I saw a person taking a full trolley of

1961
01:35:38,652 --> 01:35:41,092
Speaker 2: groceres away from the supermarket. I thought, what a loser.

1962
01:35:41,652 --> 01:35:44,213
Speaker 2: I'd done my town business then was leaving town. Saw

1963
01:35:44,253 --> 01:35:46,572
Speaker 2: the person returning the trolley, so don't jump to the gun.

1964
01:35:46,652 --> 01:35:48,532
Speaker 3: Okay, well there we go. That's a good person right there.

1965
01:35:49,372 --> 01:35:51,333
Speaker 2: I'm a problem with some of the wheels the trolley home, yep,

1966
01:35:51,412 --> 01:35:53,852
Speaker 2: and then we's trolley back. I have the person that

1967
01:35:53,973 --> 01:35:55,333
Speaker 2: dumps it upside down on my berm.

1968
01:35:55,893 --> 01:35:56,973
Speaker 3: It's fair enough too.

1969
01:35:57,173 --> 01:35:58,532
Speaker 2: But can I just say, oh, actually we'll go to

1970
01:35:58,652 --> 01:36:00,692
Speaker 2: We'll go to Murdoch Mudoch. Welcome to the show.

1971
01:36:01,213 --> 01:36:03,932
Speaker 8: Yeah, good boy. I think you come on a point there, man.

1972
01:36:03,973 --> 01:36:06,093
Speaker 8: I think that even a worse person than the person

1973
01:36:06,173 --> 01:36:08,692
Speaker 8: that goes to the fact I through something back weed

1974
01:36:08,772 --> 01:36:11,053
Speaker 8: and chuck it in the local river. They really put

1975
01:36:11,093 --> 01:36:11,812
Speaker 8: a good ef.

1976
01:36:12,333 --> 01:36:13,053
Speaker 6: It's come back, you know.

1977
01:36:13,853 --> 01:36:15,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean that takes the cake.

1978
01:36:15,812 --> 01:36:18,133
Speaker 4: It's bad enough that someone's dumped it on your burn,

1979
01:36:18,173 --> 01:36:20,972
Speaker 4: But if you really just hif it into the local waterway,

1980
01:36:21,013 --> 01:36:23,612
Speaker 4: that's like a middle finger to society as a whole,

1981
01:36:23,692 --> 01:36:26,652
Speaker 4: isn't it? Just like I'm such an anarchist, I don't

1982
01:36:26,732 --> 01:36:27,853
Speaker 4: care about anything.

1983
01:36:28,412 --> 01:36:35,213
Speaker 8: That you sure it wasn't. Tracy's right home are pretty

1984
01:36:35,213 --> 01:36:36,253
Speaker 8: bothy on Saturday nights?

1985
01:36:38,772 --> 01:36:42,333
Speaker 2: That'd be really funny if she goes what did you

1986
01:36:42,372 --> 01:36:44,173
Speaker 2: talk about on this what did you talk about on

1987
01:36:44,173 --> 01:36:46,772
Speaker 2: the show? I talked about you know, you're not finding

1988
01:36:46,853 --> 01:36:49,893
Speaker 2: my jokes funny in the morning. And the person that

1989
01:36:49,973 --> 01:36:52,173
Speaker 2: dumped the chopping troll and she goes about the.

1990
01:36:52,372 --> 01:36:53,173
Speaker 3: I wonder where I put that.

1991
01:36:56,213 --> 01:36:57,452
Speaker 8: You didn't take her up, so she gets.

1992
01:36:59,013 --> 01:37:03,452
Speaker 2: The old hens do ended up went through Warworth's parking lot.

1993
01:37:03,812 --> 01:37:06,172
Speaker 3: I thanks you, high high potential.

1994
01:37:06,213 --> 01:37:07,972
Speaker 2: There there's a highland zero chance that's true.

1995
01:37:08,053 --> 01:37:10,372
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1996
01:37:10,492 --> 01:37:13,412
Speaker 4: number to call. Nine two nine two is the text

1997
01:37:13,812 --> 01:37:14,253
Speaker 4: get am.

1998
01:37:15,893 --> 01:37:19,293
Speaker 24: I thought i'd let you know. It's ages ago. My

1999
01:37:19,572 --> 01:37:23,333
Speaker 24: children were in school and university and whatnot. And I

2000
01:37:23,532 --> 01:37:28,252
Speaker 24: went to Leven and there happened to be a groceries

2001
01:37:28,572 --> 01:37:30,572
Speaker 24: shot down. I thought, well, I'd get a trolley and

2002
01:37:30,973 --> 01:37:33,412
Speaker 24: get some things I need. And you had to put

2003
01:37:33,492 --> 01:37:36,532
Speaker 24: money in a slot to get a trolley, and then

2004
01:37:36,812 --> 01:37:39,612
Speaker 24: when you came out with your groceries you got it

2005
01:37:39,692 --> 01:37:42,412
Speaker 24: back out. I could get it back out again. So

2006
01:37:42,492 --> 01:37:44,973
Speaker 24: it seems so so simple. Why aren't people doing that?

2007
01:37:45,933 --> 01:37:46,133
Speaker 21: Yeah?

2008
01:37:46,173 --> 01:37:47,612
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess the problem now is that

2009
01:37:47,732 --> 01:37:49,972
Speaker 2: no one has coins. But you could definitely have a system,

2010
01:37:50,652 --> 01:37:53,572
Speaker 2: a modern system like that, right, absolutely.

2011
01:37:53,333 --> 01:37:55,732
Speaker 24: Yes, that's right. I mean I think everybody else there

2012
01:37:55,812 --> 01:37:57,372
Speaker 24: knew what to do. I didn't know what to do,

2013
01:37:57,452 --> 01:37:58,692
Speaker 24: and then the court aren't.

2014
01:38:00,372 --> 01:38:01,892
Speaker 2: I've seen that at airports as well.

2015
01:38:02,293 --> 01:38:03,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's a fair points. I mean if

2016
01:38:03,973 --> 01:38:05,893
Speaker 4: there are supermarkets doing that, love to hear from you.

2017
01:38:06,093 --> 01:38:07,293
Speaker 4: One hundred and eighteen eighty.

2018
01:38:07,213 --> 01:38:09,652
Speaker 2: Well at the supermarket trolleys are you have to push

2019
01:38:09,692 --> 01:38:12,333
Speaker 2: them down? They're absolutely punishing. If you're not pulling them down,

2020
01:38:12,372 --> 01:38:14,932
Speaker 2: then they stop, right, Yes, yeah, I reckon less people

2021
01:38:14,933 --> 01:38:16,652
Speaker 2: would still trolley as if they were like that. Yeah,

2022
01:38:17,293 --> 01:38:19,893
Speaker 2: someone's saying that you guys are lying. There is no

2023
01:38:20,093 --> 01:38:22,412
Speaker 2: such thing as trolleys that can be removed from super

2024
01:38:22,452 --> 01:38:26,213
Speaker 2: markets through all geo locked now really, well there's one

2025
01:38:26,253 --> 01:38:27,532
Speaker 2: on the more bloody boom mate.

2026
01:38:27,692 --> 01:38:27,892
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2027
01:38:27,893 --> 01:38:29,852
Speaker 4: I'ven't been to a supermarket with a pig a lot

2028
01:38:30,013 --> 01:38:32,053
Speaker 4: and I got to get it somehow, to get it

2029
01:38:32,133 --> 01:38:33,812
Speaker 4: so up what they kind of lifted it the whole way.

2030
01:38:33,973 --> 01:38:34,133
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2031
01:38:34,253 --> 01:38:37,452
Speaker 4: So Dave right, taking your calls, Oh, eight hundred and

2032
01:38:37,452 --> 01:38:38,812
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty twenty four to four.

2033
01:38:40,013 --> 01:38:43,572
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt heat and Tanner Adams

2034
01:38:43,692 --> 01:38:45,333
Speaker 1: Afternoons with Skoda.

2035
01:38:45,652 --> 01:38:48,652
Speaker 5: Can you crack the Scoda Code News Talks, they'd be it.

2036
01:38:48,812 --> 01:38:51,572
Speaker 4: Is twenty one to form and we're talking about supermarket trolleys,

2037
01:38:51,612 --> 01:38:53,932
Speaker 4: the people that take them out of the supermarket down

2038
01:38:54,013 --> 01:38:55,772
Speaker 4: the road and then dump them on the booms. What

2039
01:38:55,893 --> 01:38:58,293
Speaker 4: is the mentality of those sort of people? Eight hundred

2040
01:38:58,293 --> 01:39:00,812
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call and

2041
01:39:00,973 --> 01:39:04,732
Speaker 4: nine two nine two is the text is? Well, Allen,

2042
01:39:04,812 --> 01:39:05,772
Speaker 4: how are you this afternoon?

2043
01:39:07,013 --> 01:39:10,253
Speaker 10: Yeah? Pretty good. I mean we see it all around

2044
01:39:10,333 --> 01:39:14,213
Speaker 10: here in Nio. People well and data. They take the

2045
01:39:14,372 --> 01:39:15,572
Speaker 10: trolleys and just dumb them.

2046
01:39:15,692 --> 01:39:15,812
Speaker 5: You know.

2047
01:39:15,853 --> 01:39:18,932
Speaker 10: It happens in good suburbs, it happens in bad suburbs.

2048
01:39:20,093 --> 01:39:22,253
Speaker 10: Probably not so much in town unless you're actually living

2049
01:39:22,293 --> 01:39:24,932
Speaker 10: in town and using this your sort of like your

2050
01:39:24,973 --> 01:39:28,013
Speaker 10: traveling bed. But I think one of the things I've

2051
01:39:28,053 --> 01:39:31,293
Speaker 10: seen I've turned seventy last year, and one of the

2052
01:39:31,372 --> 01:39:34,932
Speaker 10: things I'm seeing is a growing disrespect for people's property,

2053
01:39:35,572 --> 01:39:39,333
Speaker 10: you know. And the other thing that happens is that

2054
01:39:39,412 --> 01:39:42,852
Speaker 10: when people do actually get caught, it doesn't seem to

2055
01:39:42,933 --> 01:39:45,093
Speaker 10: be it doesn't seem and I'm not talking about crime

2056
01:39:45,133 --> 01:39:48,253
Speaker 10: and punishment, but there doesn't seem to be any embarrassment

2057
01:39:48,333 --> 01:39:52,092
Speaker 10: from people who actually get prosecuted by it. There's virtually

2058
01:39:52,213 --> 01:39:55,372
Speaker 10: no there's virtually nothing you can do to them for

2059
01:39:55,492 --> 01:39:59,092
Speaker 10: the small for the small things that people do that'll actually,

2060
01:39:59,612 --> 01:40:02,692
Speaker 10: I mean, nothing's going to deter them because they don't

2061
01:40:02,692 --> 01:40:04,172
Speaker 10: have a respect for other people's property.

2062
01:40:04,492 --> 01:40:07,293
Speaker 2: If if you took a supermarket trolley full of food

2063
01:40:07,333 --> 01:40:10,213
Speaker 2: and you wielded all the way home and then unpack

2064
01:40:10,293 --> 01:40:12,612
Speaker 2: your groceries and just dump the supermarket trolley on a boom,

2065
01:40:12,652 --> 01:40:17,333
Speaker 2: you're definitely not caring at all that people because you

2066
01:40:17,412 --> 01:40:20,092
Speaker 2: know everyone that you pass can see that you're doing something.

2067
01:40:20,532 --> 01:40:23,333
Speaker 2: You've stolen the trolley. See, you're exactly right. You must

2068
01:40:23,372 --> 01:40:25,652
Speaker 2: be thinking that no one judges me for this, or

2069
01:40:25,692 --> 01:40:28,173
Speaker 2: I don't care, or there's no you're just so sure

2070
01:40:28,213 --> 01:40:29,452
Speaker 2: there's no repercussions for it.

2071
01:40:31,173 --> 01:40:34,213
Speaker 10: But it's it's unfortunately, there's I'm not sure what the

2072
01:40:34,333 --> 01:40:36,213
Speaker 10: answer is, but I think one of it is one

2073
01:40:36,213 --> 01:40:38,213
Speaker 10: of one of the things you've got to do is

2074
01:40:38,692 --> 01:40:43,253
Speaker 10: reinforce through the education system and reinforce of parents that

2075
01:40:43,372 --> 01:40:46,412
Speaker 10: people have got to people have to start talking about

2076
01:40:46,452 --> 01:40:48,732
Speaker 10: the respect for other people's property. I mean, I've got

2077
01:40:48,772 --> 01:40:50,972
Speaker 10: a guy, I've got a guy in extolled with my daughter.

2078
01:40:51,853 --> 01:40:55,932
Speaker 10: He shows no respect. He's coming up on five charges

2079
01:40:56,013 --> 01:41:00,852
Speaker 10: of five charges that he's of breaking the law with

2080
01:41:01,013 --> 01:41:05,333
Speaker 10: regards to her and her property. He doesn't care. He

2081
01:41:05,372 --> 01:41:07,492
Speaker 10: doesn't care because there's nothing's going to happen to him.

2082
01:41:07,532 --> 01:41:09,372
Speaker 10: What's going to happen is is that he gets a

2083
01:41:09,532 --> 01:41:13,532
Speaker 10: free lawyer and he goes along the court and what

2084
01:41:13,652 --> 01:41:15,692
Speaker 10: do they do. They can't find them. He's on a benefit.

2085
01:41:16,053 --> 01:41:18,492
Speaker 10: I mean, it's just a waste of time. And it's just,

2086
01:41:19,013 --> 01:41:22,133
Speaker 10: you know, the damage that these people do doesn't have

2087
01:41:22,173 --> 01:41:25,173
Speaker 10: any consequences. I mean, I'm not talking about taking people

2088
01:41:25,213 --> 01:41:26,812
Speaker 10: out and putting them on White Island for a couple

2089
01:41:26,812 --> 01:41:28,933
Speaker 10: of weeks. I mean I'd like to, but you know,

2090
01:41:28,933 --> 01:41:30,692
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, that's not that's that's

2091
01:41:30,772 --> 01:41:32,933
Speaker 10: too much. I think we have to reap, we have

2092
01:41:33,053 --> 01:41:35,133
Speaker 10: to educate people, and we have to start now.

2093
01:41:35,532 --> 01:41:37,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you call out, i mean, taking

2094
01:41:37,173 --> 01:41:39,213
Speaker 2: them out from them whileladed for a couple of weeks

2095
01:41:39,253 --> 01:41:42,173
Speaker 2: would be that sounds kind of fair. But Gladdy Junter Justice,

2096
01:41:42,213 --> 01:41:44,053
Speaker 2: it's interesting that that idea that you can just roll

2097
01:41:44,093 --> 01:41:46,492
Speaker 2: down the street with no one ever commenting. A friend

2098
01:41:46,532 --> 01:41:49,053
Speaker 2: of mine was a terrible litter bug. He wasn't a

2099
01:41:49,133 --> 01:41:52,452
Speaker 2: tidy keiwi. Opposite of a tidy kiwi. And he was

2100
01:41:52,692 --> 01:41:57,093
Speaker 2: walking along and he dropped a coke bottle. And I

2101
01:41:57,173 --> 01:41:59,613
Speaker 2: was always disgusted by his littering, because.

2102
01:41:59,772 --> 01:42:01,172
Speaker 3: You know, all we do is keywi's.

2103
01:42:01,213 --> 01:42:03,133
Speaker 2: Come on, I would have been my dad would have

2104
01:42:03,692 --> 01:42:07,133
Speaker 2: given me a thick hair littering. I never let it right. Yeah,

2105
01:42:07,333 --> 01:42:09,692
Speaker 2: and and but someone pulled up in a car and

2106
01:42:09,732 --> 01:42:10,572
Speaker 2: got out and clocked him.

2107
01:42:10,772 --> 01:42:13,532
Speaker 3: Oh well, they didn't even hold back straight away.

2108
01:42:13,772 --> 01:42:15,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just came out because he's broken the glass

2109
01:42:15,412 --> 01:42:17,452
Speaker 2: and the already goes. Kids could come past here, you're

2110
01:42:17,452 --> 01:42:19,532
Speaker 2: near a school, we'll get and this guy just cocked

2111
01:42:19,572 --> 01:42:21,213
Speaker 2: him in the back on the side of the head.

2112
01:42:21,492 --> 01:42:24,173
Speaker 3: Did he ever literally yet? Surely that would be like,

2113
01:42:24,372 --> 01:42:24,692
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2114
01:42:24,772 --> 01:42:26,812
Speaker 2: But it was funny because our friends were with me

2115
01:42:26,893 --> 01:42:28,333
Speaker 2: and they told the story and we were kind of like,

2116
01:42:28,772 --> 01:42:32,173
Speaker 2: you've been littering, so you know, we're not talking about

2117
01:42:32,372 --> 01:42:36,053
Speaker 2: you know, litter batman's or vigilante justice is not very

2118
01:42:36,093 --> 01:42:38,133
Speaker 2: good thing. But he did deserve that wak in the

2119
01:42:38,173 --> 01:42:38,652
Speaker 2: side of the head.

2120
01:42:38,652 --> 01:42:43,052
Speaker 3: There's some satisfaction in that. Absolutely, Norah, how are.

2121
01:42:42,973 --> 01:42:47,492
Speaker 25: You this afterday unknown pack and stave. So we're parking

2122
01:42:47,492 --> 01:42:50,892
Speaker 25: as a trolley lady because I haven't done it recently,

2123
01:42:51,293 --> 01:42:53,892
Speaker 25: but was soon on the latter part. As soon as

2124
01:42:53,933 --> 01:42:56,973
Speaker 25: I walked in and looked for a staff, remember, they

2125
01:42:57,093 --> 01:42:59,012
Speaker 25: look at me and say, oh, I know what she's

2126
01:42:59,093 --> 01:43:01,933
Speaker 25: coming for, particularly if they hadn't picked them up for

2127
01:43:01,973 --> 01:43:04,372
Speaker 25: a couple of days after I'd asked some I just

2128
01:43:04,492 --> 01:43:04,972
Speaker 25: get a bit.

2129
01:43:04,933 --> 01:43:09,372
Speaker 4: Ready, right, So are you a super market trolley thief

2130
01:43:09,532 --> 01:43:10,733
Speaker 4: or you're you're a vigilante.

2131
01:43:14,173 --> 01:43:16,053
Speaker 25: But I'll tell you I don't know why they didn't

2132
01:43:16,093 --> 01:43:19,172
Speaker 25: get those locks put on them. I guess very extensive

2133
01:43:19,213 --> 01:43:21,012
Speaker 25: because I was guilty.

2134
01:43:21,572 --> 01:43:22,133
Speaker 11: I was at.

2135
01:43:23,853 --> 01:43:26,452
Speaker 25: Papatoi New World or probably a couple of years ago,

2136
01:43:26,933 --> 01:43:28,932
Speaker 25: and I thought I'll just go to the chemist shop,

2137
01:43:28,973 --> 01:43:31,893
Speaker 25: which was two doors a long, but I opposite to

2138
01:43:32,013 --> 01:43:34,652
Speaker 25: the car park and as soon as I as soon

2139
01:43:34,732 --> 01:43:37,812
Speaker 25: as I got past New World being it went, I

2140
01:43:37,893 --> 01:43:38,572
Speaker 25: only went over.

2141
01:43:38,532 --> 01:43:39,013
Speaker 7: The top of it.

2142
01:43:40,253 --> 01:43:43,372
Speaker 4: No, man, well, I mean, to be fair, Nour shouldn't

2143
01:43:43,372 --> 01:43:45,572
Speaker 4: have taken the trolley in the first place. I'm glad

2144
01:43:45,612 --> 01:43:46,173
Speaker 4: you didn't get.

2145
01:43:46,093 --> 01:43:49,293
Speaker 25: Hurt, but you know, yeah, I know, I know, but

2146
01:43:49,532 --> 01:43:52,692
Speaker 25: still yeah, so I don't know why all the other

2147
01:43:52,812 --> 01:43:55,253
Speaker 25: supermakers don't put those locks on them, but there we are.

2148
01:43:55,452 --> 01:43:57,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the trolley lady.

2149
01:43:58,532 --> 01:44:00,133
Speaker 2: I think it is an age thing as well, right,

2150
01:44:00,372 --> 01:44:02,053
Speaker 2: because now I think about it. I did ride a

2151
01:44:03,492 --> 01:44:05,772
Speaker 2: supermarket trolley down London Street and Dunedin when I was

2152
01:44:05,812 --> 01:44:06,452
Speaker 2: at university.

2153
01:44:06,492 --> 01:44:07,253
Speaker 10: How did that go for you?

2154
01:44:07,692 --> 01:44:07,852
Speaker 8: Well?

2155
01:44:07,893 --> 01:44:08,812
Speaker 2: I came flying out.

2156
01:44:09,412 --> 01:44:12,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it is the joys of youth.

2157
01:44:12,173 --> 01:44:14,293
Speaker 2: I didn't steal the trolley though, I did just find

2158
01:44:14,293 --> 01:44:16,572
Speaker 2: it at the top of London Street and wrote it down, right.

2159
01:44:17,173 --> 01:44:19,093
Speaker 2: I think it's easy as you get older and you've

2160
01:44:19,133 --> 01:44:22,173
Speaker 2: got a house and you've got to burm to and

2161
01:44:22,333 --> 01:44:24,492
Speaker 2: just not be able to understand the mentality of a

2162
01:44:24,692 --> 01:44:25,333
Speaker 2: twenty year old.

2163
01:44:25,572 --> 01:44:25,772
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2164
01:44:25,973 --> 01:44:27,972
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have thought much about it if I dumped

2165
01:44:27,973 --> 01:44:30,093
Speaker 4: some sort of supermarket trolley outside someone's house as a

2166
01:44:30,133 --> 01:44:33,412
Speaker 4: twenty year old. But it doesn't make it right now.

2167
01:44:33,652 --> 01:44:35,532
Speaker 3: Yep. I'm older. Now, I'm more boring.

2168
01:44:35,732 --> 01:44:38,213
Speaker 4: I get angry about smaller things that kids don't care about,

2169
01:44:38,372 --> 01:44:40,213
Speaker 4: but I'll still maintain I'm right. Oh, eight one hundred

2170
01:44:40,213 --> 01:44:43,413
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call supermarket

2171
01:44:43,492 --> 01:44:46,133
Speaker 4: trolleys and those people who steal them. From the supermarket

2172
01:44:46,213 --> 01:44:48,772
Speaker 4: car park. What is the mentality and what should the

2173
01:44:48,772 --> 01:44:50,133
Speaker 4: punishment be? Love to hear from you.

2174
01:44:50,333 --> 01:44:51,372
Speaker 3: It is quarter to four.

2175
01:44:52,333 --> 01:44:55,732
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2176
01:44:56,093 --> 01:44:57,012
Speaker 1: everything in between.

2177
01:44:57,253 --> 01:45:00,492
Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons Used Talks it B.

2178
01:45:01,772 --> 01:45:03,692
Speaker 3: News Talks there B it is twelve to four.

2179
01:45:03,692 --> 01:45:06,253
Speaker 4: We're talking about people who take supermarket trolleys outside of

2180
01:45:06,293 --> 01:45:06,932
Speaker 4: the car park.

2181
01:45:07,253 --> 01:45:09,732
Speaker 2: Lime scoter generation can only make things worse. Yes, true,

2182
01:45:09,732 --> 01:45:12,173
Speaker 2: I think the same mentality where a Lime scooter is

2183
01:45:12,253 --> 01:45:15,213
Speaker 2: just jump dump right across the pavement.

2184
01:45:15,173 --> 01:45:15,932
Speaker 3: Such a fair point.

2185
01:45:16,013 --> 01:45:18,492
Speaker 4: You see them all over the shop when you're right, Yeah,

2186
01:45:18,572 --> 01:45:19,613
Speaker 4: you dump it on someone's.

2187
01:45:19,333 --> 01:45:21,692
Speaker 2: But when I'm driving to work, I'll see a Lime

2188
01:45:21,772 --> 01:45:24,333
Speaker 2: scooter just dump right in the middle of a cycle way.

2189
01:45:24,452 --> 01:45:26,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, just right in the middle, I.

2190
01:45:26,053 --> 01:45:28,253
Speaker 2: Imagined, because you know, cyclists are generally angry people to

2191
01:45:28,253 --> 01:45:30,092
Speaker 2: start with. Imagine how angry they get.

2192
01:45:30,053 --> 01:45:31,492
Speaker 3: That would make them curious nothing.

2193
01:45:31,572 --> 01:45:34,572
Speaker 2: It's a cyclist more angry than any kind of interruption

2194
01:45:34,692 --> 01:45:35,732
Speaker 2: at all in a cycle lane.

2195
01:45:36,213 --> 01:45:37,293
Speaker 3: Easy, yeah to be.

2196
01:45:37,692 --> 01:45:39,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're on a tinderhook as it is.

2197
01:45:39,853 --> 01:45:43,572
Speaker 3: They certainly are. Yeah, very wound up. Marie, how are you.

2198
01:45:44,492 --> 01:45:48,013
Speaker 15: Hello, fine, what a great topic. I mean wanting to

2199
01:45:48,053 --> 01:45:51,812
Speaker 15: phone and ages about this. I was diving down my

2200
01:45:51,973 --> 01:45:56,812
Speaker 15: street this morning and walk past this guy pushing his

2201
01:45:56,933 --> 01:45:59,732
Speaker 15: trolley with a super market bags in the trolley. I

2202
01:45:59,772 --> 01:46:01,612
Speaker 15: hope he doesn't park it on my boom when you

2203
01:46:01,893 --> 01:46:02,652
Speaker 15: empty that out?

2204
01:46:04,213 --> 01:46:04,452
Speaker 14: Did you?

2205
01:46:04,572 --> 01:46:07,772
Speaker 2: Did you say anything? Or did you honk your horns?

2206
01:46:07,772 --> 01:46:08,012
Speaker 10: Stop?

2207
01:46:08,572 --> 01:46:09,213
Speaker 16: I didn't stop.

2208
01:46:09,893 --> 01:46:14,572
Speaker 2: You don't want to become the supermarket trolley batman for gilenty.

2209
01:46:15,893 --> 01:46:16,372
Speaker 8: Not today.

2210
01:46:17,893 --> 01:46:21,213
Speaker 15: And the other thing about Charlie is with people unloaded

2211
01:46:21,253 --> 01:46:23,572
Speaker 15: them into the boot of the car, paste back to

2212
01:46:23,612 --> 01:46:26,572
Speaker 15: the trolley base, put it in the same size as

2213
01:46:26,772 --> 01:46:28,532
Speaker 15: what's all you there? Don't mix them up?

2214
01:46:29,053 --> 01:46:30,173
Speaker 2: Yeah this annoys me as well.

2215
01:46:30,893 --> 01:46:34,612
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, hand up. I don't do that all the time, Marie.

2216
01:46:34,812 --> 01:46:36,932
Speaker 4: I try, but quite often I'm one of those awful

2217
01:46:36,973 --> 01:46:39,053
Speaker 4: people that just if I've got the smaller trolley, I'll

2218
01:46:39,093 --> 01:46:40,012
Speaker 4: put it in with the big trolleys.

2219
01:46:40,013 --> 01:46:40,572
Speaker 3: What do you say to me?

2220
01:46:40,692 --> 01:46:43,652
Speaker 2: Do you ride the trolley back like, ride it out

2221
01:46:43,692 --> 01:46:45,972
Speaker 2: through the car park like a scooter yep, and then

2222
01:46:46,093 --> 01:46:49,892
Speaker 2: fire it at paced down the superman the bay yep?

2223
01:46:49,933 --> 01:46:51,572
Speaker 3: Definitely? Do you try and line it up for about

2224
01:46:51,612 --> 01:46:54,333
Speaker 3: ten meters away. And if you have that perfect the problem.

2225
01:46:55,093 --> 01:46:57,253
Speaker 2: Its beauty, it's part of the problem, it's not part of.

2226
01:46:57,253 --> 01:46:59,173
Speaker 3: The Sometimes it goes askew and hits a car, but

2227
01:46:59,253 --> 01:47:00,053
Speaker 3: that's the price you pay.

2228
01:47:02,053 --> 01:47:04,492
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks a lot, thank you for you cal really

2229
01:47:04,532 --> 01:47:07,293
Speaker 2: appreciated and sorry about Tyler. Never mind the trolley, says

2230
01:47:07,333 --> 01:47:08,972
Speaker 2: the six. I was stopped at you World for trying

2231
01:47:09,013 --> 01:47:11,053
Speaker 2: to take a basket of groceries to my car and

2232
01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:13,133
Speaker 2: the car park. I forgot my carry bags. I was

2233
01:47:13,173 --> 01:47:15,572
Speaker 2: firmly told no baskets leave the store. It was embarrassing,

2234
01:47:15,652 --> 01:47:18,532
Speaker 2: especially since my regular store. This was my rigg spar.

2235
01:47:18,812 --> 01:47:20,572
Speaker 2: I want him to suffice. Yeah, this has happened to

2236
01:47:20,612 --> 01:47:23,333
Speaker 2: me before. I'm like, you got to have your stupid

2237
01:47:23,372 --> 01:47:25,932
Speaker 2: bags because they got rid of the one used plastic bags.

2238
01:47:26,253 --> 01:47:27,812
Speaker 2: And you're like, well, I just I don't have my

2239
01:47:27,893 --> 01:47:29,892
Speaker 2: bags here. I don't want to pay for your bags.

2240
01:47:29,893 --> 01:47:32,892
Speaker 2: I'll just take the trollet that the basket, dump all

2241
01:47:32,933 --> 01:47:34,412
Speaker 2: my stuff in the back of the car. And then

2242
01:47:34,452 --> 01:47:35,893
Speaker 2: I saw I don't want to get home. They're like, no,

2243
01:47:36,093 --> 01:47:37,333
Speaker 2: you can't take the thing to the but.

2244
01:47:37,492 --> 01:47:39,412
Speaker 4: It's like I'll bring it back because it's like, well,

2245
01:47:39,732 --> 01:47:41,612
Speaker 4: you think I'm a thief. I mean it's being treated

2246
01:47:41,652 --> 01:47:42,452
Speaker 4: like a child, isn't it.

2247
01:47:42,532 --> 01:47:45,212
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, what I will stay in defense of Woolworths.

2248
01:47:45,253 --> 01:47:47,652
Speaker 2: So so with the trolley that was dumped on my

2249
01:47:47,772 --> 01:47:52,093
Speaker 2: burn by some retrobate, I just had a little sign

2250
01:47:52,133 --> 01:47:53,492
Speaker 2: on it, ring us if this is not in the

2251
01:47:53,572 --> 01:47:54,973
Speaker 2: right place it should be ringing them up and talk

2252
01:47:55,013 --> 01:47:56,932
Speaker 2: to the nicest guy at Wolworth's on the phone, right,

2253
01:47:57,053 --> 01:47:58,532
Speaker 2: you see, we'll see someone around to pick it up

2254
01:47:58,532 --> 01:47:59,012
Speaker 2: straight away.

2255
01:47:59,133 --> 01:47:59,652
Speaker 3: Good on them.

2256
01:47:59,692 --> 01:48:02,293
Speaker 2: And he was so apologetic, was so so sorry this

2257
01:48:02,372 --> 01:48:04,452
Speaker 2: has happened to you, and it made me feel kind

2258
01:48:04,452 --> 01:48:06,973
Speaker 2: of stupid about worrying about it. And you know, as

2259
01:48:06,973 --> 01:48:08,932
Speaker 2: I says, I says to you're the victim. Well yeah,

2260
01:48:09,133 --> 01:48:10,732
Speaker 2: you guys at will wear through the victims of this

2261
01:48:10,812 --> 01:48:12,213
Speaker 2: crime as well me and you were losing out.

2262
01:48:12,213 --> 01:48:13,532
Speaker 3: You've got nothing to be sorry about, mate.

2263
01:48:13,532 --> 01:48:15,293
Speaker 2: It's not just it's just not my burm that's being

2264
01:48:15,412 --> 01:48:17,492
Speaker 2: for spoiled, but your poor chopping trolley has been taken

2265
01:48:17,532 --> 01:48:19,293
Speaker 2: miles from your your establishment.

2266
01:48:19,572 --> 01:48:22,852
Speaker 4: What a good man from woolworth Rose. You reckon, it's

2267
01:48:22,853 --> 01:48:27,732
Speaker 4: a you reckon. It's entitlement, it is it's just selfish

2268
01:48:27,772 --> 01:48:31,013
Speaker 4: and lazy m hm, and what are you reckon? The

2269
01:48:31,053 --> 01:48:33,213
Speaker 4: punishment should be for those that take the trolley out

2270
01:48:33,253 --> 01:48:36,692
Speaker 4: and dump it outside Matt's house to say we're.

2271
01:48:36,612 --> 01:48:39,213
Speaker 22: A trolley boy or girl. For a week or two,

2272
01:48:39,333 --> 01:48:43,012
Speaker 22: they might decide it wasn't such a good idea.

2273
01:48:43,333 --> 01:48:46,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was people that whose job it is

2274
01:48:46,452 --> 01:48:47,452
Speaker 2: is to drive around vans and.

2275
01:48:47,492 --> 01:48:50,173
Speaker 22: Return them O ye to make it sound in some

2276
01:48:50,333 --> 01:48:51,412
Speaker 22: very interesting places.

2277
01:48:51,732 --> 01:48:54,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, a bit of a community service operation for the supermarkets.

2278
01:48:54,853 --> 01:48:56,412
Speaker 4: I kind of like that that you're forced to do

2279
01:48:56,492 --> 01:48:58,692
Speaker 4: at least a week's worth of trolley recovery.

2280
01:48:58,772 --> 01:49:00,812
Speaker 2: People love to throw them in a creek, don't they rose?

2281
01:49:01,372 --> 01:49:04,492
Speaker 22: Yeah, and they're very expensive. Yeah, those like a trolley

2282
01:49:05,412 --> 01:49:08,213
Speaker 22: so practice. A week wouldn't be long enough. A month

2283
01:49:08,452 --> 01:49:09,532
Speaker 22: is probably okay.

2284
01:49:09,732 --> 01:49:14,052
Speaker 3: Just a taser, yeah, yeah, we'll take savann. Get a savann.

2285
01:49:14,893 --> 01:49:20,492
Speaker 18: Hello, Hey, there was doing but littering before? Yes, yeah, well,

2286
01:49:20,572 --> 01:49:22,452
Speaker 18: not to be the littering. I know it's not good

2287
01:49:22,492 --> 01:49:24,732
Speaker 18: to be enough. Whether I report them to the councilor

2288
01:49:24,812 --> 01:49:27,812
Speaker 18: like so much for a figure, but or McDonald's back

2289
01:49:28,133 --> 01:49:30,213
Speaker 18: and i'm driving behind him, I actually give a plaid

2290
01:49:30,293 --> 01:49:33,612
Speaker 18: number and give to the council and apparently isn't handle

2291
01:49:33,692 --> 01:49:34,133
Speaker 18: a fine.

2292
01:49:34,412 --> 01:49:36,813
Speaker 2: All right, so do you have to provide evidence.

2293
01:49:38,093 --> 01:49:41,452
Speaker 18: Some of that desh cans as Yeah, that's like this

2294
01:49:41,812 --> 01:49:44,892
Speaker 18: was the peril worker. I will make them all time location.

2295
01:49:45,853 --> 01:49:48,612
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then and if you had my success,

2296
01:49:48,853 --> 01:49:50,452
Speaker 2: like do you hear do you can do?

2297
01:49:50,532 --> 01:49:50,572
Speaker 20: You?

2298
01:49:51,333 --> 01:49:53,612
Speaker 2: You knock them, but then do you find out if

2299
01:49:53,612 --> 01:49:54,333
Speaker 2: they get done for it?

2300
01:49:55,173 --> 01:49:55,372
Speaker 17: Yeah?

2301
01:49:55,372 --> 01:49:58,652
Speaker 18: Well, sometimes I felt like I really must mention because

2302
01:49:58,652 --> 01:50:02,692
Speaker 18: it's fitting denying it. One time that even even asking

2303
01:50:02,692 --> 01:50:05,173
Speaker 18: me for a far will be a wooden I said, yes,

2304
01:50:05,532 --> 01:50:07,293
Speaker 18: I mean, like I said, I know it's not going

2305
01:50:07,372 --> 01:50:09,893
Speaker 18: to be knock I s people off. Hey mate, you

2306
01:50:10,013 --> 01:50:11,852
Speaker 18: just for a cigarettes, let's get end up in the ocean.

2307
01:50:12,173 --> 01:50:14,492
Speaker 18: No body agredible and people are getting rough with you

2308
01:50:14,853 --> 01:50:17,173
Speaker 18: much set in danger. Plus I wasn't given nothing but

2309
01:50:17,293 --> 01:50:19,612
Speaker 18: meet some of the open to the council. And when

2310
01:50:19,612 --> 01:50:21,572
Speaker 18: they get a tech of home dollars make some I

2311
01:50:21,652 --> 01:50:23,692
Speaker 18: think twice and I'm just trying to seventh you know,

2312
01:50:23,732 --> 01:50:25,132
Speaker 18: I'm just paramily conscious.

2313
01:50:25,412 --> 01:50:26,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on your mind.

2314
01:50:26,333 --> 01:50:31,412
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ki, absolutely, what a great New Zealander. We've got

2315
01:50:31,452 --> 01:50:33,093
Speaker 4: a few teas coming through A nine two ninety two.

2316
01:50:33,173 --> 01:50:35,213
Speaker 2: I was returned my trolley having had my car hit

2317
01:50:35,293 --> 01:50:37,213
Speaker 2: twice by a random one when the wind caught it.

2318
01:50:38,133 --> 01:50:39,972
Speaker 2: As part of the reason, also I told my sister

2319
01:50:40,053 --> 01:50:42,053
Speaker 2: off for saying she does not do that if the

2320
01:50:42,173 --> 01:50:44,892
Speaker 2: rack is too far away. Really it is the car park.

2321
01:50:45,133 --> 01:50:48,052
Speaker 2: People have three options. Return the trolley, order for home delivery,

2322
01:50:48,333 --> 01:50:50,532
Speaker 2: buy a little wheelie trolley, take your own trolley.

2323
01:50:51,093 --> 01:50:51,572
Speaker 3: Good question.

2324
01:50:51,652 --> 01:50:53,692
Speaker 2: Could you buy your own trolley and then wheel it

2325
01:50:53,772 --> 01:50:55,333
Speaker 2: to the supermarket and we'll home.

2326
01:50:55,492 --> 01:50:57,293
Speaker 3: I mentioned you could. Nobody's going to stop you, are they?

2327
01:50:57,333 --> 01:50:58,253
Speaker 3: Surely you can buy trolley?

2328
01:50:58,452 --> 01:51:00,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're the supermakers. Buy trolley's from very

2329
01:51:00,812 --> 01:51:03,812
Speaker 2: good point. And then one of our trolley vigilantes runs

2330
01:51:03,893 --> 01:51:06,412
Speaker 2: up to you and tases you for stealing the trolley.

2331
01:51:06,572 --> 01:51:07,293
Speaker 3: That would be harsh.

2332
01:51:07,572 --> 01:51:08,253
Speaker 2: That is my trolley.

2333
01:51:08,333 --> 01:51:09,013
Speaker 3: You've done the right thing.

2334
01:51:09,053 --> 01:51:11,652
Speaker 4: You've paid five hundred bucks for your own trolley, Stuart,

2335
01:51:11,692 --> 01:51:13,092
Speaker 4: We've got about sixty seconds.

2336
01:51:14,933 --> 01:51:17,092
Speaker 19: Back in the early two thousands, I had a contract

2337
01:51:17,133 --> 01:51:20,412
Speaker 19: with Manekaw City Council and we used to go and

2338
01:51:20,572 --> 01:51:22,612
Speaker 19: order the parks and reserves and the thing you kept

2339
01:51:22,692 --> 01:51:26,293
Speaker 19: founding was trolley's dumped in the rivers, and we found

2340
01:51:26,333 --> 01:51:28,612
Speaker 19: out it was because they could trap eels in the

2341
01:51:28,692 --> 01:51:29,213
Speaker 19: damn things.

2342
01:51:29,772 --> 01:51:31,452
Speaker 7: So what.

2343
01:51:33,452 --> 01:51:35,772
Speaker 19: So you'd find these rusted old trolley in the rivers,

2344
01:51:35,812 --> 01:51:37,612
Speaker 19: and of course the council would then have to fish

2345
01:51:37,652 --> 01:51:39,652
Speaker 19: them out because the last thing they wanted was eels.

2346
01:51:39,652 --> 01:51:40,213
Speaker 11: All caught them.

2347
01:51:40,293 --> 01:51:44,013
Speaker 2: But slightly better than just dumping it in there out

2348
01:51:44,053 --> 01:51:47,093
Speaker 2: of pure anarchy, you know. I mean, it's not great,

2349
01:51:47,173 --> 01:51:49,812
Speaker 2: it's bad, but at least you're trying to keep seals

2350
01:51:49,853 --> 01:51:52,093
Speaker 2: with it. You're trying to do something practical. It's not

2351
01:51:52,213 --> 01:51:53,173
Speaker 2: just complete enarchy.

2352
01:51:54,452 --> 01:51:56,293
Speaker 19: There was one other place we saw where a guy

2353
01:51:56,333 --> 01:51:58,932
Speaker 19: had obviously spent a while knitting the dark things because

2354
01:51:58,973 --> 01:52:01,372
Speaker 19: he'd flattened them out and turned them into fencing.

2355
01:52:02,812 --> 01:52:05,772
Speaker 2: But I mean that's resourceful that people use them for

2356
01:52:05,853 --> 01:52:09,053
Speaker 2: braziers in their backyards as well, don't they, And that

2357
01:52:09,133 --> 01:52:12,173
Speaker 2: like apartment builds them use them. Apartment buildings use them.

2358
01:52:12,253 --> 01:52:13,892
Speaker 2: Steal people steal them, and they use them to take

2359
01:52:13,933 --> 01:52:16,772
Speaker 2: their stuff up the lift. Yes, yeah, yes, evil people

2360
01:52:16,812 --> 01:52:18,852
Speaker 2: out there. Thanks for your call, Stuart. Hey, look you go,

2361
01:52:18,933 --> 01:52:20,772
Speaker 2: like I found a supermarket trolley. You can buy one

2362
01:52:21,452 --> 01:52:23,492
Speaker 2: here you go for three hundred and thirty five dollars.

2363
01:52:23,692 --> 01:52:26,972
Speaker 2: Not bad for a shopping trolley. So if you there's

2364
01:52:26,973 --> 01:52:29,293
Speaker 2: a one time investment. You can wheel that to the

2365
01:52:29,333 --> 01:52:31,652
Speaker 2: supermarket stuff and wheel it back and then all the

2366
01:52:31,692 --> 01:52:33,333
Speaker 2: way there and back, people will judge you as some

2367
01:52:33,492 --> 01:52:36,133
Speaker 2: kind of terrible miss Grant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a good investment for anybody that needs that. Right,

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much for everyone who called and text today.

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Speaker 4: Heither is coming up next and she is going to

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Speaker 4: be speaking of Chris Hipkins. He had a State of

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Speaker 4: of that, so that will be on her show very shortly.

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Speaker 2: Chippy now Shippy, All right, hey, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for listening today. We've really enjoyed your calls on eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty in text on nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two. But Tyler, before we go, why would I

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Speaker 2: be playing this lovely peaceful tune?

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Speaker 4: Oh mate, I haven't heard this for so long. I

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Speaker 4: need to go go beck and watch it is the

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Speaker 4: theme song. It's the Fantastic Trailer Park Boys show. Because

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Speaker 4: there was a few people ringing up about Bubbles, who's

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Speaker 4: one of the main characters, and the little side hustle

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Speaker 4: he's got repairing supermarket trolleys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, all right, until we'll see you live

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