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Speaker 1: Kyota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and from the team behind the

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Speaker 1: front page the New Zealand Herald's daily news podcast, This

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Speaker 1: is Accused the Polkinghorn Trial. Over the next six weeks,

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with our usual daily episodes, we'll be bringing

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Speaker 1: you regular coverage as one of the most high profile

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Speaker 1: trials of the year makes its way through the High

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Speaker 1: Court at Auckland. A warning, this podcast contains disturbing content.

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Speaker 1: The court has gotten its first glimpse of evidence from

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Speaker 1: those closest to Philip Polkinghorn and Pauline Hannah, and some

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Speaker 1: insight into his infidelity, and we have heard directly from Polkinghorn,

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Speaker 1: with the court hearing his interview with police for the

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Speaker 1: first time. The former Auckland ice surgeon is accused of

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Speaker 1: murdering his his DHB boss wife in April twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: but he says she took her own life. Day seven

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Speaker 1: of the seventy one year old's trial saw Stephen McIntyre

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Speaker 1: take the stand. He and his wife were family friends

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Speaker 1: of Polkinghorn and Hannah. Both couples had batches at Rings

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Speaker 1: Beach on the Corimandel, about fifteen minutes north of Fitty

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Speaker 1: younger and became close over about twenty five years. Let's

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Speaker 1: see each other over public holidays, long weekends, and over

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Speaker 1: the Christmas period. Those usual times people would escape the

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Speaker 1: city and head to their holiday homes. That'd spend time together,

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Speaker 1: coffee in the morning, a bit of diving, fishing, dinners

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Speaker 2: She was a very vivacious woman. She was a very

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Speaker 2: proud woman and a woman that was always to put

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Speaker 2: her best foot forward. Obviously a professional woman. We used

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Speaker 2: to talk about her career and life in general.

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Speaker 3: And when you say she was a proud woman, what

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Speaker 3: do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: She was always meticulously turned out. She didn't really like

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Speaker 2: you seeing her in the morning until until she was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was a well presented woman.

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Speaker 1: In the twelve to eighteen months before Hannah's death, McIntyre

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Speaker 1: says Polkinghorn had changed.

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Speaker 2: He was a very intelligent, funny, witty, generous man and

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Speaker 2: we always had a lot of laughs together. And I

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Speaker 2: felt that in that period leading up to Pauline's death,

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Speaker 2: I felt that he was quite changed. He told me

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Speaker 2: of them. His nature changed her in his physical presence

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Speaker 2: changed he became.

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Speaker 4: Slimmer and.

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Speaker 2: Sort of more muscly, a different physique from what he'd had.

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Speaker 2: He became a bit more manic, a little bit irrational,

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Speaker 2: I felt at times, and as I said, I didn't

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Speaker 3: Okay, can we just talk about that a little bit?

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Speaker 5: He said, he became he changed and became a little

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Speaker 5: bit more I think manic and irrational were the words

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Speaker 3: Can you just explain why you use those words.

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Speaker 4: I felt he was using drugs.

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Speaker 1: McIntyre said. Polkinghorn, or Polky to which the community came

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Speaker 1: he became jumpy, slightly irrational. He would talk fast at times,

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Speaker 1: McIntire spoke of a time when Polkinghorn had told him

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Speaker 1: drove off without anyone seeing. A couple of weeks later,

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Speaker 1: and asked him not to tell his wife. McIntire thought

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Speaker 1: his friend was lying. How did Polkinghorn get a bill

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Speaker 1: for a fence when he said no one had seen it?

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Speaker 1: On cross examination, defense lawyer Ron Mansfield clarified some details

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Speaker 1: about this car accident. Did McIntyre know the accident was

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Speaker 1: captured on security footage? He didn't. Did he know his

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Speaker 1: friend had paid to fix the fence and then some

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Speaker 1: repairs had cost four hundred dollars but Polkinghorn had given

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Speaker 6: Now we know that because the owner of the fence

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Speaker 6: has been spoken to him affirmed those details, DAMI that

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Speaker 6: was called on the security footage, the damage to the

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Speaker 3: So you would accept that. Yep.

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Speaker 6: So some of what he has told you, as far

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Speaker 3: In fact, he is correct, doesn't it? Yes?

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Speaker 6: And what you thought was an unusual story from him

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Speaker 3: Light of those details. Correct, it's a little more plausable.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these things can happen, Right, You have a conversation,

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Polky told his friend about his frustration over the

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Speaker 1: issues he was having at auckland I relating to his retirement.

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Speaker 1: Polkinghorn watched his longtime friend intently as he gave evidence,

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Speaker 1: leaning forward and rubbing his chin. The Crown next called

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Speaker 1: former Consumer and Z product test manager Paul Smith, who

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Speaker 1: gave evidence on the power usage at the Upland Road home.

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Speaker 1: Power data reports in thirty minute intervals and shows how

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Speaker 1: much power was used in a half hour period, but

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Speaker 1: minute by minute. Every house has a baseline amount of energy,

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Speaker 1: clocks or other things that are always plugged in and

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Speaker 1: always on. Looking at Smith's graph, there are four heightened periods.

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Speaker 1: From nine am April fourth to nine am April fifth,

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Speaker 1: the morning Hannah was found dead. Six thirty pm to

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Speaker 1: ten thirty pm on April fourth, was the highest usage.

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Speaker 1: There's no way to assign any particular appliance to these spikes,

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Speaker 1: but you can look at what's in the house and

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Speaker 1: make an estimate based on their usual energy use. Smith

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Speaker 1: was asked to establish whether a toaster or jug could

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Speaker 1: have been used For example, we know Polkinghorn told police

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Speaker 1: had gone downstairs about seven forty five am to make

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Speaker 1: tea and toast. These appliances could be used at any

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Speaker 1: time during those skyscraper periods, those four I mentioned before,

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Speaker 1: But there's an early morning period with a little jump

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Speaker 7: The early morning period has a very small jump in energy,

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Speaker 7: not as great in each period or on average as

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Speaker 7: the amount of energy that the toaster or the kettle

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Speaker 7: use of either of those appliances during that period.

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Speaker 5: Just be clear and reading from your graph for us

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Speaker 5: what that period is that you rule out the use

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Speaker 7: So that period the early morning starts at four am

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Speaker 5: So does that mean seven fifty nine and fifty nine

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Speaker 3: Fifty nine seconds, so we could almost call that eight o'clock.

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Speaker 4: It could almost call that eight o'clock.

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Speaker 1: So that energy increase over that baseline during that early

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Speaker 1: larger increase in energy, which is sufficient to support the

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Speaker 1: use of either the toaster or the kettle, not both.

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Speaker 1: He was also asked about the washing machine. The model

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Speaker 1: in the remuware a home uses very little energy.

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Speaker 7: A washing machine tends to use most of its energy

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Speaker 7: to heat water for a hot or warm wash cycle.

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Speaker 7: The model in question had a hot water connection, so

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Speaker 7: it didn't use a lot of energy in its cycle,

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Speaker 7: actually less than the toaster or the kettle.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah. It also.

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Speaker 7: Also it also used that energy over a longer period.

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Speaker 7: we're using less energy than the kettle over a much

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Speaker 3: Half hours intervals.

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Speaker 7: So it was very difficult to rule out the use

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Speaker 1: In the period from ten thirty to eleven thirty, there's

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Speaker 1: a small increase in energy. He can't roll out the

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, uses a significantly larger amount, and

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Speaker 1: There was only one skyscraper period where it could have

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Speaker 1: Mansfield eluded He'll be calling his own power expert. Later

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Speaker 1: in the trial, he referenced a report from a man

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Speaker 1: named Beattie who concluded the jug could have been used

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Speaker 1: He also alerted Smith to the fact the toaster had

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Speaker 1: and not by individual settings. He got Smith to clarify,

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Speaker 1: you can't know exactly what appliance has used, only make

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Speaker 1: assumptions on what could be. The Crown called Helen Poulson,

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Speaker 1: an e SR forensic scientist who gave evidence on toxicology.

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Speaker 1: She examined hannah blood, urine, and the liquid from inside

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Speaker 1: the eye. Twenty seven milligrams per one hundred millilters of

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Speaker 1: alcohol was found in the blood. The legal limit is

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Speaker 1: fifty milligrams. Legal drugs were also found in Hannah's blood.

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Speaker 1: They were fluoxetine, an antidepressant, phenamine, an appetite suppressant, and zopoclone,

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Speaker 1: therapeutic dose. Poulson said it's also not recommended to mix

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Speaker 1: it with alcohol. Methamphetamine and amphetamine were detected in the

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Speaker 8: Zobiklone was the only drug detected in the hair sample,

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Speaker 4: No other drugs were detected A.

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Speaker 5: Right, So what does it suggest then in terms of

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Speaker 5: myth amphetamine usage of the deceison There.

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Speaker 4: Is no evidence that she induced methmphetamine.

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Speaker 3: And a cross low period of time.

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Speaker 8: Six months certainly was in the six months prior to

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Speaker 1: On cross examination, Ron Mansfield asked Paulson about whether when

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Speaker 1: a list of chemicals found in the dye used in

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Speaker 1: Hannah's hair, to which he asked whether they could strip

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Speaker 1: math or other drugs from the sample. She said she

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Speaker 1: couldn't exactly say. The phentamene, or weight loss drug, which

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Speaker 1: Hannah was prescribed forty scripts over ten years, didn't show

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Speaker 1: Pulson agreed the die could explain why a drug she

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Speaker 1: in her hair. Another arsal forensic scientist, Timothy Power, was

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Speaker 1: called to the stand late on day seven. After going

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Speaker 1: through the intricacies of the DNA tests used around the home,

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Speaker 1: Power agreed with Mansfield that the fact Polkinghorn and his

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Speaker 1: wife lived in the home meant their DNA would be

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Speaker 1: all over it. On day eight, the Crown first called

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Speaker 1: Barry Payne, the couple's personal trainer. He trained them at

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Speaker 1: about fifteen years and Hannah about eight. Pip McNabb, a

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Speaker 9: When I answered, I said I thought, he said she's gone.

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Speaker 9: You know, she's dead, She's gone.

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Speaker 9: I said something stupid like that, you know, And and

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Speaker 4: And I've stunn mollot I was.

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Speaker 9: I didn't know how to respond particularly, and I said

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Speaker 1: They didn't meet for coffee that week. Defense lawyer Ron

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Speaker 1: Mansfield asked Pain about Polkinghorn's behavior before his wife's death.

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Speaker 3: Didn't seem menic, No, No, not at all. Didn't seem distracted.

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Speaker 9: Not that I noticed. No, Philip was always very focused.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I never thought that this contradicts evidence given

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Speaker 1: The court briefly heard from a nurse at County's Monaco

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Speaker 1: She administered the vaccine to Hannah on April fourth, the

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Speaker 1: Senior Sergeant Lisa Jane Anderson was called to the stand.

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Speaker 1: She went to Mount Cook in the South Island, where

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Speaker 1: You'll remember Ashton mentioned in the Crown's opening. She's a

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Speaker 1: Retreat about seven o six pm on April thirty. A

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Speaker 1: there with two christ Church detectives to seize Madison Ashton's phones,

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Speaker 4: She declined to provide the pin numbers.

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Speaker 3: Mister Polkinghorn prison at that point, as he was.

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Speaker 10: What happened after she refused to supply the pin numbers

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Speaker 1: To King The Crown then called Rob Masters, who was

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Speaker 1: Masters noticed a white Mercedes with the number plate Rattina.

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Speaker 3: Did you learn of the individual's name? Yes? I did.

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Speaker 11: What was that Philip Pulkinghorn And how did you come

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Speaker 1: The woman who lived at the complex was rachel Or

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Speaker 1: would visit a bag, usually in tow. Masters saw bottles

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Speaker 1: of champagne, women's clothing. Perhaps it would never be a

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Speaker 1: He disappeared during the COVID lockdowns.

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Speaker 11: I don't recall seeing him during level four lockdown, but

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Speaker 3: He appeared on that day a couple of lockdowns, as

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Speaker 1: Yes, Brian Dickie asked Masters what his neighbor, Rachel did

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Speaker 3: My understanding is that Rachel was a sex worker.

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Speaker 1: After Hannah's death, the neighbor noticed the car with the

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Speaker 5: Link to the writtena number plate after you saw media

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Speaker 8: I know I saw him the first times he came

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Speaker 1: She'd see him while she was in her garden and

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Speaker 3: He was noticeable because.

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Speaker 8: He's a man who likes to stand out. You know,

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Speaker 8: he'd come with champagne and gifts for her, and one

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Speaker 1: In the afternoon, Jacob Pollock was called to the stand.

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Speaker 1: He's a private investigator. He told the court about Pauline

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Speaker 1: Hannah making an inquiry through his firm's website. She wanted

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Speaker 1: I Lona Walton was recalled to the stand. You'll remember

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Speaker 1: The video was then played for the jury. Because the

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say the interview was jumpy and erratic.

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Speaker 1: You can read transcripts of this interview on the ends

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Speaker 1: canvass is a range of topics before he even gets

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Speaker 1: He spoke of him being away and funk at eight

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Speaker 10: Seat in the garden and thought she when I was

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Speaker 10: I don't like Why don't you camp It was a

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Speaker 1: He talks about the orange rope.

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Speaker 4: The orange rope is a nylon rope.

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Speaker 10: It's it's free coarse, but it was fry frying at

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Speaker 4: And but she took a lot by company and what dad.

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Speaker 1: He was drinking chiraz. She preferred Pino noir. He thinks

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Speaker 1: He probably had about two glasses.

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Speaker 4: Like an intoxication. It was on things last night. Never

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Speaker 10: She had a drunken driving offense once, so she's never

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Speaker 4: I was not very happy with that.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, how long ago was that?

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Speaker 10: quite a long time. It doesn't it's an excuson.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion. But she wasn't presenting. She wouldn't fall

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Speaker 12: Nothing like that, you know, or No, sometimes people get

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Speaker 10: Well she I know, I don't think so at all.

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Speaker 8: She was.

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Speaker 4: She was a bit emotional about some of the TVs.

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Speaker 10: I don't think if she watched it in the afternoon,

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Speaker 4: If you know what I mean.

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Speaker 10: But the God of the float cat, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 10: over make a comment because the lady did a tracheost

439
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Speaker 10: to me his wife. He's not medically qualified to do

440
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 10: it with a pen knife, and they.

441
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 4: Put a straw into his trachea, so you breathe now.

442
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: The unfortunate thing about that bit of.

443
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 10: Is that if you think how big your mouth is now,

444
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 10: and the tricky goes basically downline that to put a

445
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 10: thing a little straw and to think that ain't gonna

446
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 10: make much difference.

447
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: But she recklessly saved its life and they had a

448
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 4: cops and back. But she thought he might have died.

449
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: I see he won't die.

450
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 10: It won't die in it for the next week.

451
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 4: The max good television. It does makes good television. And

452
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 4: then she she might have said it was too harsh

453
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: or something.

454
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: He goes into their daily routines. He'd usually be up

455
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: before her and makes her breakfast in.

456
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 10: Bed, so I make put in breakfast and being in Warner,

457
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 10: she has yeah, they always have, but she's opus.

458
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: I know I can drink a cup of tuo lying

459
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: on her back. Good skill. And then sometimes she saves me.

460
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 4: We have my breakfast eating it. She doesn't even know

461
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: she's eating it. Do you make a good breakfast?

462
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 10: She has the same thing every day she has she

463
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 10: has one piece of toast and it has to be

464
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 10: mckimsy bread and she has on a veno margarine or something.

465
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 10: And then she likes lime marmalade, roses lime marmalade, and

466
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 10: then she has we have because we discovered this tea

467
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 10: its cinder burtle wing, but it's technically maybe by a

468
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 10: company called the Tea Company Tea Letter not me T

469
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Speaker 10: two actually, And we discovered this thing called French Earl graystious.

470
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Speaker 4: Wow, isn't it fantastic?

471
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, once I made a mistake buy it online, showing

472
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 10: how clever I was, and I came back with the

473
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Speaker 10: Earl Gray.

474
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Speaker 4: And it was we came away.

475
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Speaker 1: I think she usually gets home after him, so he

476
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: cooks a dinner. She usually lets him know when she's

477
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Speaker 1: on her way home.

478
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: And she and I said to her, look, then will

479
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: be really later? Just tell me. I didn't care what

480
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Speaker 4: time it does.

481
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 10: And then so when she comes in the door, I

482
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 10: usually the garage door open with her now cleaned if

483
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 10: you come open the leaves and but yeah, so she

484
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 10: has ever gaged door and sometimes if she's very lucky.

485
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Speaker 10: I'm standing at at the top of the stairs that

486
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 10: she comes up the garage holding a glass of wine

487
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 10: for it.

488
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: He eventually gets to the events of that morning the downstairs.

489
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 10: Intended on the jugger and put three bits of toast

490
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 10: and the toaster okay, and then got the butter and

491
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 10: stuff out ready for that now, great tea. I find

492
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 10: that you've got to before attended the toaster because kensy.

493
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: Bout a quite big. I think what you're doing now

494
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 4: a good.

495
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 10: Old He put the toast in and I have it

496
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 10: on the low setting, but it only will do the

497
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 10: leaves the top cup of things. So what happens that

498
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 10: once the tea's made? So while the keeople poured the

499
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 10: tea in, then I turned the toast over to the

500
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 10: remaining a couple of centimeters plus it browns it off

501
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 10: of it into the dish washer too, I can't remember.

502
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 10: So that's what I was sort of fiddling around with.

503
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: He didn't think he'd gotten far into the process. He

504
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: doesn't think he turned on the kettle before he found

505
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Hannah and the entrance way. He panicked, he said, and

506
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: dialed one one, one four before realizing and correctly calling

507
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: one one one.

508
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: I didn't. I just didn't know.

509
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 8: And what.

510
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 10: To put me through the ambulance people and they said,

511
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 10: stayed with her.

512
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 4: She breathing horse says no, I said, and she's cold.

513
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 4: And then I and then I I.

514
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 10: Was trying to get her out and put it down flat.

515
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: I think they told me to do that. I can't remember.

516
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: And as I did, side dropped the phone.

517
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that crashed all over the copy of the tiles,

518
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 10: and I couldn't. There's almost I just something uncontrollably. Really,

519
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 10: I mean, it's society having an arm pulled off you.

520
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: It was just it was just horrible. And I lay

521
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: it down and then and and but Tom Ruth came over.

522
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 10: She we gave her a pillo and we're trying to

523
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 10: make it comfortable, which is sounds stupid, and we're not.

524
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: We don't got off the chair. Her legs buckled.

525
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: Hawkinghorn walked Walton through what he thought he did with

526
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: the belt and rope around Hannah's neck. The belt wasn't

527
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: that tight. He thought he could put his hand under it.

528
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: He spoke of undoing granny knots in the rope and

529
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: how he laid her on the floor. Her rings were

530
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: all in the inside, he said. He turned them around.

531
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Speaker 1: She loved those bloody rings, he said. The rope was

532
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: attached to the balustrade above. He mentions they were granny

533
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: knots too. From memory, was.

534
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 10: It the rope attached to or the rope was attached

535
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 10: to the bellustrade above?

536
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 8: Okay?

537
00:31:52,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, the attached the bellustrade above. Now, and that

538
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 10: was granny knots too. From memory, I might have been

539
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 10: district be grandy knots, but along those lines at the

540
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 10: bottom of the balustrade, okay, because I said to someone afterwards,

541
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 10: I was surprised that the balustrade would take a weight,

542
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 10: shall we say, adweight of seventy kgs. So whether the knots,

543
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 10: I don't know, whether they're not slipped or why don't

544
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 10: I'm just trying to think, why was she sitting there

545
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 10: in a chair, if you like, Maybe maybe she stood

546
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 10: on the chair and.

547
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: Went off.

548
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 10: But and the knots, I don't know. I don't know

549
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 10: whether they're not held and slipped or what. I just

550
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 10: don't know. I just I still think that seventy kg's

551
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 10: on that balustrade.

552
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: There's a hell of a weight.

553
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: He was in a hurry to undo the rope, and

554
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: he said it looked horrible just hanging there.

555
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: It looked too hideous to me, the the rope.

556
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 10: And I undered the rope upstairs and did Grannie nots upstairs?

557
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: You under the grannieknots upstairs? Yes, and got rid of

558
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: the rope.

559
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 10: Well, when I say it got everyone, but it just didn't,

560
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 10: you know, it looked awful just hanging there.

561
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 4: It just was horrible the rope. And then she's down

562
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: there on the floor. Yeah, I can't remember she's coming on.

563
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 10: I think we were, but it was a quite ah,

564
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 10: I'll say, but afterwards it made me it's still there

565
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 10: when the ambulance people are right, but it just looked

566
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 10: it was offensive to me the rope.

567
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: So wouldn't either arrived. It was at the rope and

568
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: there when you were right, yeah, but so I wasn't

569
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 4: first time saying so.

570
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 12: The ambulance were right, yeah, and the uniform police staff arrived,

571
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 12: and then after that I'm not sure which order. I

572
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 12: think there were a couple of remember, and then we

573
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 12: arrived after that right, and there were us. So I'm

574
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 12: just confused. There was rope.

575
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 10: Straight and then not taken off by at the time

576
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 10: you got I thought, I do, not straight away but

577
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 10: near enough straight away. But why do I leave for

578
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 10: the ambulance drive with an uniform policeman the un and

579
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 10: then take it.

580
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: Off the.

581
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: Well? It was still there when I left.

582
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 10: Oh no, it wasn't because it was unscrewed it and

583
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 10: I hadn't It wasn't hanging by, but it was a

584
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 10: hanging when you were still there.

585
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: So where have you put it?

586
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: Have you you were? No?

587
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: I put it. All I did was I thought, I thought.

588
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 10: I it's either up at the top or it's on

589
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 10: the stairway going out.

590
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: Of the garage.

591
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: After a while, he asks if he could see his

592
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: wife anyway.

593
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 4: That's that.

594
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 10: And I talked to one of the officers about the

595
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 10: clothes because he said I might.

596
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 4: Be able to go and visit or the mortuary. Yeah,

597
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 4: say goodbye to her.

598
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 13: So that there's something bad to today an.

599
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: The gossip of hard You need to get clearance from

600
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: the bosses. But we can see what we can do.

601
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: And I also like it to be in some clothes.

602
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 10: She's got some bignity, not them, just a body bag or.

603
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: Something horrible.

604
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 10: Unfortunately, if possible, Okay, I'm it's something that is it's

605
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 10: beyond your break, beyond your breath.

606
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 4: When she gets to the funeral home and okay, I

607
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 4: don't really like accepting oak. No no, no, no, no, no, okay,

608
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: that's fine.

609
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 12: I've got one which.

610
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: She got cause yeah, because the funeral actually has a funeral,

611
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 4: I can say goodbye to a their you can. That's

612
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: probably there's probably been way I would say. I didn't

613
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 4: even think about all that stuff. You know, I haven't

614
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 4: got my head around all that. So of course I

615
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 4: can say goodbye to with it. I don't need to

616
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 4: say goodbye to her in a bloody could mortuary.

617
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 10: Guy, I would situ asult lots of times in mortuary,

618
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 10: so I know what don't like.

619
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: We used to take eyes for donors, so I know

620
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: what they like.

621
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 10: So there's a family room and a family viewing room

622
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 10: and no, no, no, no no, no, you're quite well

623
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 10: both do it at the the funeral funeral home.

624
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's her mother was in a funeral home

625
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: and Headlock North and we did it extraordinary tastefully.

626
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 10: They had a room like a little in the in

627
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 10: this big building they had there's room they had there

628
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 10: was like little houses in there.

629
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. So if you go into a ring a room

630
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: like that and it's a kitchen off thee and where

631
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: in a beef and where fate was?

632
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, because god, I don't know if you're interfunerals in Auckland,

633
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 10: but the bloody awful you know that they're just.

634
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: You know, yes, it's awful.

635
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: In the interview, Polkinghorn would trail off and not answer questions.

636
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: One he couldn't answer was at the end, how did

637
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: he come to suffer the wound on his forehead. That

638
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: added to the suspicions of the detectives.

639
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 10: I don't know, I said, I don't even know I've

640
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 10: done it. Ruth said, I may have hit the tiles

641
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 10: or something on the steat. I can't measure. It's horizontal,

642
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 10: and that's horizontal, which is odd.

643
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: I've got no idea. I didn't even know head it

644
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: until some signory or bleeding looking at But.

645
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