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Speaker 1: At the rate it's going this by election could cost

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Speaker 1: Labor the real election. Penny Henade is popping out policies

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Speaker 1: toxic to the general electorate, but very popular with the

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Speaker 1: ten thousand odd voters that he will need to win

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Speaker 1: Tammocky Mikoto. First, it was bringing back the gang patches.

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Speaker 1: You would have heard about that. Labor then had to

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Speaker 1: hose that down, left Middle New Zealand scratching their heads though,

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Speaker 1: didn't it because we've been there, done that with gangs

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Speaker 1: where over it. We just want them sorted. Labour lost

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Speaker 1: the war on crime and with it the mandate to govern.

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Speaker 1: You might think it's an issue that they would just

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Speaker 1: steer clear of, but not Penny, Labour's electoral kryptonite. Last

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Speaker 1: night he was back at it. I was watching the

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Speaker 1: debate well with Ordine in Penny, which was actually quite

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Speaker 1: a good debate. I enjoyed it. Penny was asked about

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Speaker 1: the cost of living and he said that when Labor

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Speaker 1: was in power, they were in talks with EWI to

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Speaker 1: build a third supermarket chain across the country to compete

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Speaker 1: with the duopoly. Last night he said they'd support it

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Speaker 1: again if elect it.

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Speaker 2: Here is what he said when we were last in power,

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Speaker 2: we were working closely with EWI to introduce a third

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Speaker 2: grocery provider into the market, to allow our funer to

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Speaker 2: experience cheaper cope and to make sure that EWE are

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Speaker 2: part of delivering the answer for our finance. So are

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Speaker 2: you talking about a Kiwi Kai supermarket chain. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about EWE lead New Zealand chain that will supply our

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Speaker 2: funer ere we.

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Speaker 1: Lead, but funded by who? This is the question what

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Speaker 1: does support mean? Does that mean taxpayer funding? In twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three they were talking about doling out loans, maybe

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Speaker 1: even grants or taxpayer support to secure land for a

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Speaker 1: third entrant. Now, there's nothing wrong with an e WE

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Speaker 1: lead supermarket chain. There's nothing wrong with a third chain

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Speaker 1: at all. Help We would all like to see that,

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Speaker 1: But do we want it to be taxpayers supported? That's

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Speaker 1: the question. If private capital can't make it work at

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Speaker 1: these prices, what chances would the state have the problem

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Speaker 1: with this stuff is it feeds that perception and the

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Speaker 1: only response Labour has to anything is more money, more money.

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Speaker 1: Can we build anyone? There's a philosophical question here which

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Speaker 1: Hepkins needs to answer. But of course Hopkins isn't answering

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Speaker 1: in questions because he's got a ban on policy till

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