1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: global exposure like no other. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: Josephgani Child Fund CEO, and Tris Shurson. Shirson Willis pr 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: with us on the huddle. Hello you two. Hello, all right, Josie, 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: this is your last call before the US election. Who wins? 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 3: Oh that's not fair, Heather. No one in the world does. 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: Who's going to win? And you're asking me what I mean? 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 3: It is so close, and even with the Iowa poll, 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: and I heard you talking about that. I mean, it 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: could be a one off pole. Who knows that? The 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: thing that makes me think about the Iowa pole though, 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: which would give a slight advantage to Kamala Harris and 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 3: the Democrats. Seltzer, whose pole this is. She's very well respected. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: She's a Republican, Polster, an anti Trumper, but a Republican. 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: She had predicted twenty sixteen when no one else did, 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: including me. I was on live TV with all my 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: notes about why Hillary won. 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: And you were with me. I was with you, yes, 19 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: and I was telling you Trump's one and you were 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: saying no, you were right. 21 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: You are the Seltzer of New Zealand. So what makes 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: me think that there's something in this is that her 23 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: polling has been so spot on for years and years 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 3: and years because she takes the evidence. She's really good poster. So, 25 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: you know, three percent advantage in Iowa, which is a 26 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: Trump's state for Harris, Now that's so significant. If that 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: is the case, If she's winning in a Trump state 28 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: that we weren't even looking at, if not one of 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: the swing states, then she's winning everywhere. The state I'll 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: be looking for on the night though, will be Georgia, 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: where my family live, and they've all voted early voting. 32 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: Possibly one of the first results that we'll get in 33 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: meant to go Trump went Democrat last time, which was 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: a real shocker. If it doesn't go Trump, or even 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: if Trump wins it by only a little bit, that'll 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: be a sign like Iowa that Trump's in trouble. 37 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: Okay, what do you reckon, Trish? 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: Well, I just I'm going to make prediction, But I 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 4: just hope that I will only have to eat my 40 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: hat and not the dogs and the cats. So I, 41 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: like Josie, I am going to pick Harris. If this 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 4: was on the popular vote, you know, I think you 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 4: would have to call Harris at this point. And it's 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: the weirdness of the system, isn't it with the electoral 45 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: colleges that Trump has not ever won the popular vote, 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 4: So the biggest loser could become once again the biggest winner. 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 4: Here's why I'm thinking that that it's Harris. I think 48 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 4: that it's you have to look at who each campaign 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: has focused on driving out. She is counting on young 50 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 4: women who do vote. He's counting on the young men 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: or the bros. And then they don't traditionally turn out 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 4: to vote. I think there's been a vibe change related 53 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: to gender and voter turnout, even over the weekend as 54 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: the campaigns have started to see the early data coming in. 55 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 4: And just to that point, you know, I think this 56 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 4: election has shown the old school marcho side of the US, 57 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: which has been a bitterly They think they need a 58 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 4: tough guy in the job. And look at his Arnold Palmer, 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 4: you know, Dick Dixon of comments. But in these final 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: days and weeks, I think his language may have pushed 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: people over the edge. It may have pushed Republicans who 62 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 4: thought they couldn't vote Democrat across the line because he's 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 4: too unreliable. Racist, chaotic, misogynistic, I mean, you name the adjective. 64 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 4: So my picks to watch, You've got to watch that 65 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: blue triangle Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Nineteen eighty eight was 66 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: the last time they didn't vote together. And if one 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: of them breaks this time, I think that will signify 68 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: who's going to win. 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: We may not get a result, or in fact, we 70 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: won't get a result on the night, and so I 71 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: think that's why we're looking at the ones, the results 72 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: that come in early, and then reading the tea leafs 73 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: on this. But you're right, Trius, I mean, whoever's going 74 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: to win will be who gets the voters to turn out. 75 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: And traditionally Crats have had a really good turnout machine. 76 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: They get their voters out, they know how to do it. 77 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: Elon must Con send rockets to Mars. I'm not sure 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: he can get Missus Jones from High Street out to vote. 79 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: It's just not his mojo. And I think the second reason, 80 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: if whoever wins, we'll look at it will go whoever 81 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: working class people in America voted for will win. There's 82 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: still the majority of voters that's not just race. I 83 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: mean that's white, black, Hispanic, they're still the majority voters 84 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: and they have been swinging to Trump. So I think 85 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 3: it'll depend and those swing states that you just mentioned, Trish, 86 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: they are majority voters, eligible voters, and turnout they are 87 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: majority working class voters. So whoever's got the economy message 88 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: through to people, through to the working class voters, they win. 89 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: America will win. Yeah. 90 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the 91 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: marketing of your home. 92 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: Right, you're back with Josie and Trish. Trish, what do 93 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: you think about Brian and Anatomaki're getting prosecuted right now? 94 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: Well, I'm with you you on this about do we 95 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: care in now in twenty twenty four? What I am 96 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 4: more concerned about is that it now takes more than 97 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 4: three years to get these kinds of things to the courts. 98 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: And that's you know, that is just another signal. 99 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: Of how jam dates to make a road. 100 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: How jammed up the system is exactly. Look, you know, 101 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 4: the Tuckies they love this. They love a martyr's platform, 102 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 4: so so they getting it. I try to pay zero 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 4: attention to the Tarmaquees. Like the Lord, they tend to 104 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 4: move in mysterious ways. But I do, I do, I do, 105 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: like you, I still have a lot of PTSD around 106 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 4: that Auckland lockdown. I think you know, I probably droned 107 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 4: on about it ad nausea and when I was locked 108 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: in this very room and talking to you throughout that 109 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 4: time was a shocking act of political vandalism in my view, 110 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: to keep Auckland lockdown. And you know this is just 111 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 4: a bad reminder. 112 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: Of that too, right, what do you reckon, Josie, Josie 113 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 2: from down country. You didn't have to spend all the 114 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: time in the lockdown. 115 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: I spent enough time in lockdowns. Don't lock down up me. Yeah, 116 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: I look at it, and well, I was listening to 117 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: Luckson's comments about how voters are all customers. I was 118 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: just thinking, maybe the solution is like supermarkets when they 119 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: put photos of shoplifters up and it's just name and 120 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: shame and just say you're out for a while, you're 121 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: on notice, go away and you know, I don't know, 122 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: hang out in the bush for a while and come 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: back when we're prepared to see pictures of you again. 124 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: I mean, like Trish, I'm just I'm sick of it, really, Yeah, 125 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 3: I mean the problem is there's legal issues, aren't they 126 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 3: around whether obviously, if it was a serious crime, a 127 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: delay makes it shouldn't make no difference at all. I 128 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: think this is there is an issue here. You would 129 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: have to apply it retrospectively. I think you'd have to 130 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: apply it to any other case in the courts now 131 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: around any lockdown conviction or sentencing, so that. 132 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: It would pandemic if you wiped them. If you wiped 133 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: you'd have to. 134 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 4: Don't you care? 135 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: No, I don't care. 136 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: I don't see any value in prosecuting these people. No, silly, 137 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: Let's just get on with it, Okay. Now, Trish, as 138 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: to Luxe and calling us customers, what do you think. 139 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: I think he should own this? I don't you know. 140 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 4: I think if you're if you're a PM and you'll 141 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: continually being forced to apologize by the media for different 142 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 4: terms you've used either, I think you're in a bad space. 143 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: You know, when Luxem was at in New Zealand, they 144 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: actually had something called Voice of the Customer, if I 145 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: remember correctly, and that is about getting ongoing and direct 146 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: feedback from customers about how you're performing, because that's how 147 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: you stay in business. And you know, i'd have to say, 148 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: as a customer, I probably feel more empowered than I 149 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: do as a voter, because as a customer I can 150 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: literally take my dollar from this shop or airline who 151 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: isn't doing good, and I can take it and I 152 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: can spend it over there. As a voter, yes, I 153 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 4: can vote them out every three years, but in the 154 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 4: meantime I have to keep set speed, you know, sending 155 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: them my money. So I don't think Luxon should resile 156 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: from this. I do disagree slightly on you know, sometimes 157 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: the corporate speak doesn't come across well. And I'll give 158 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 4: you an example of that. As a prime minister, sometimes 159 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: you'll have you have to talk about stuff that is 160 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: really really it's bad. It's bad stuff and people know 161 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: it's bad. And when you come in with the sort 162 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: of uplifting corporate speak that you know, we're doing a 163 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 4: fantastic job, it just doesn't kind of wash. So I 164 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 4: do think he needs to temper that. But he shouldn't 165 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: spend today backing down on, you know, thinking about voters 166 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: as customers. 167 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 168 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: The problem with this though, is no one went to 169 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: war willing to sacrifice their life for the specials at 170 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: New World like it just does make us sounds Briscoe Briscoe, Yeah, 171 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: or you know your local might a ten. And it 172 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: does just bring up this image of nothing, not really passionate, 173 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: it's nothing much that you're very excited about, quite transactional. 174 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: I think that's a problem for the NETS, that they 175 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: might sound a little bit like you know, even the 176 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: tax cut was the equivalent of a packet of Huggies. 177 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 3: You know, it sounds like a special offer in your letterbox. 178 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: So the second problem with this, and the left and 179 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: the right are both guilty of this that if you 180 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: treat customers voters like customers, it denies the fact that 181 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: we're also producers. We make stuff, right, The relationship isn't 182 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: just us buying stuff off the government. It is us 183 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: making wealth where wealth creators, where workers were out there 184 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: running businesses. So I think it's a it sets a 185 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 3: different framework out that doesn't really help the NETS. 186 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: It's a little bit one. 187 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: I'll tell you the good The good news for the 188 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 4: NETS though today again is Erica Stanford. Look at that 189 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 4: announcement today about getting kids who are struggling with maths, 190 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: getting them free tutors to help get them back up 191 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: to where they need to be. I think for national 192 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 4: she is a secret weapon. She's the voters, she is 193 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: absolutely MVP. But in terms of woman voters, and even 194 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: if you look at the press conference today, you know, 195 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 4: once Luxin had done the opening, all eyes were on 196 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 4: Eric Hat and once again, you know, she made a 197 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: really excellent job of communicating what's going to happen and 198 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: why in the outcomes. So I think she is the 199 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: MVP and the secret weapon. 200 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: You're too right, Hey, thank you guys, both of you. 201 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: Josie and Trisha huddle this evening. 202 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 203 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 204 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.