1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,027 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zb. 3 00:00:12,627 --> 00:00:15,267 Speaker 2: As always on a Sunday afternoon. Though, great pleasure to 4 00:00:15,307 --> 00:00:17,107 Speaker 2: welcome James mconey to the show. 5 00:00:17,467 --> 00:00:20,067 Speaker 3: Hello mate, get it ka Piney. How's it going? 6 00:00:20,507 --> 00:00:24,347 Speaker 2: Very good. We're having some good robust conversations this afternoon. 7 00:00:24,387 --> 00:00:26,747 Speaker 2: I'm not sure whether you've been taking it all in 8 00:00:26,947 --> 00:00:28,707 Speaker 2: about stadia, etc. 9 00:00:30,227 --> 00:00:34,627 Speaker 3: Oh stadium chat years. Mike Wayne is probably on the 10 00:00:34,667 --> 00:00:38,187 Speaker 3: same page as myself. Not that, not just because I 11 00:00:38,227 --> 00:00:40,507 Speaker 3: do work for him at the ACC. But you know, 12 00:00:40,547 --> 00:00:43,707 Speaker 3: the wind Yard Quarter proposal was the best proposal. They 13 00:00:43,787 --> 00:00:49,187 Speaker 3: turfed that out. It was the most sensible, pragmatic, financially viable, 14 00:00:49,707 --> 00:00:54,107 Speaker 3: also had the support of international concert promoters, so there 15 00:00:54,147 --> 00:00:56,227 Speaker 3: was a lot to like about it. But somehow, I 16 00:00:56,227 --> 00:00:59,467 Speaker 3: don't know. I just think egos and maybe even just 17 00:00:59,507 --> 00:01:03,227 Speaker 3: sort of thoughts of delusions of grandeur getting in the 18 00:01:03,267 --> 00:01:06,147 Speaker 3: way because that stadium could have been built, and I 19 00:01:06,147 --> 00:01:08,147 Speaker 3: think it could have been done, and now we may 20 00:01:08,187 --> 00:01:08,547 Speaker 3: never know. 21 00:01:09,147 --> 00:01:11,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, inertia, I think that's what we've got here. I 22 00:01:11,467 --> 00:01:13,107 Speaker 2: think that's the right word. It might not be, but 23 00:01:13,187 --> 00:01:17,147 Speaker 2: I think we've got inertia. We're not going anywhere. Mala Pacifica, 24 00:01:17,307 --> 00:01:19,387 Speaker 2: Majana Pacifica last night. Did you enjoy that? 25 00:01:20,587 --> 00:01:23,747 Speaker 3: I love that? And in fact, the way Moeer Pacifica played, 26 00:01:23,787 --> 00:01:26,027 Speaker 3: even Rob Penny admitted at the end he said, they 27 00:01:26,027 --> 00:01:29,227 Speaker 3: were just our thought out you know, sort of the 28 00:01:29,307 --> 00:01:33,867 Speaker 3: tactics are outplayed. They kicked well and did all these 29 00:01:33,907 --> 00:01:36,507 Speaker 3: things where I think the Crusaders went, hey, that's what 30 00:01:36,547 --> 00:01:39,267 Speaker 3: we used to do, which has put pressure on teams 31 00:01:39,267 --> 00:01:41,307 Speaker 3: in their own half, and instead it was moe A 32 00:01:41,387 --> 00:01:46,987 Speaker 3: Pacifica with you know, six tries all converted, and that's 33 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:50,667 Speaker 3: just that's hard to come back from. And I mean 34 00:01:51,227 --> 00:01:54,187 Speaker 3: Keller Green is just an absolute revelation at first five, 35 00:01:54,307 --> 00:01:57,947 Speaker 3: so that that has unlocked a lot of the potential. 36 00:01:58,027 --> 00:02:01,187 Speaker 3: But what Tana and his team have done as coaching 37 00:02:01,227 --> 00:02:05,707 Speaker 3: teams just managed to give them that belief. And I 38 00:02:05,707 --> 00:02:07,787 Speaker 3: think Artist's area as a captain is a big. 39 00:02:07,667 --> 00:02:11,787 Speaker 2: Part of it, huge, huge, And I think also when 40 00:02:11,907 --> 00:02:14,347 Speaker 2: the Crusaders got back to within I think it was 41 00:02:14,427 --> 00:02:16,707 Speaker 2: nine points and Cody Taylor's coming off the bench and 42 00:02:16,747 --> 00:02:19,107 Speaker 2: to mighty Williams is coming off the bench a couple 43 00:02:19,107 --> 00:02:21,267 Speaker 2: of all blacks front rollers. You thought, right, I can 44 00:02:21,267 --> 00:02:23,747 Speaker 2: see what's going to happen here? I've seen this one before. 45 00:02:23,747 --> 00:02:25,787 Speaker 2: ONEA Pacifica are going to get run over by a 46 00:02:25,787 --> 00:02:28,947 Speaker 2: Crusader side that just mentled the Blues a week ago. 47 00:02:29,267 --> 00:02:31,587 Speaker 2: I just thought the way that they they you know, 48 00:02:31,667 --> 00:02:35,067 Speaker 2: showed utter resilience to then score a couple more tries 49 00:02:35,067 --> 00:02:38,587 Speaker 2: of their own and really secure the match was really 50 00:02:38,627 --> 00:02:39,387 Speaker 2: impressive to me. 51 00:02:40,307 --> 00:02:43,187 Speaker 3: And there were a couple of moments where you're just going, okay, 52 00:02:43,227 --> 00:02:46,947 Speaker 3: that is something special. And I think it was Peppersana 53 00:02:47,027 --> 00:02:50,587 Speaker 3: Patafilo who just shrugged off Ethan Blackadder. This is you know, 54 00:02:50,907 --> 00:02:53,827 Speaker 3: seasoned all black, Ethan black Aadder. And then he also 55 00:02:53,907 --> 00:02:57,787 Speaker 3: thinks scored under the posts under some pressure, and I 56 00:02:57,787 --> 00:03:00,587 Speaker 3: mean he's been in the Crusaders system and you know, 57 00:03:00,627 --> 00:03:03,107 Speaker 3: I'm not saying got chewed up and spat out, but 58 00:03:03,387 --> 00:03:06,347 Speaker 3: you know he's probably one of those guys wondering where 59 00:03:06,427 --> 00:03:09,947 Speaker 3: his next stop was going to be. And now you 60 00:03:10,027 --> 00:03:13,507 Speaker 3: look at him just looking like an absolute world beater 61 00:03:13,587 --> 00:03:18,067 Speaker 3: at Winer Pacifica. So they do. I think they developed 62 00:03:18,067 --> 00:03:20,747 Speaker 3: players really well. It was always going to be a 63 00:03:20,827 --> 00:03:24,627 Speaker 3: mainland cheese, good things take time sort of scenario, but 64 00:03:24,747 --> 00:03:28,187 Speaker 3: then with miracle fire Lungey. As we've talked about, he 65 00:03:28,227 --> 00:03:30,947 Speaker 3: will be the best blindside flanker almost is the best 66 00:03:31,187 --> 00:03:35,267 Speaker 3: blindside flanker in the world. And I'm sure the I'm 67 00:03:35,267 --> 00:03:38,027 Speaker 3: sure he's going to rugby would have been wondering how 68 00:03:38,027 --> 00:03:41,187 Speaker 3: do we actually get him over, But I think it's 69 00:03:41,227 --> 00:03:45,547 Speaker 3: too late that he will be someone in Superstar and 70 00:03:46,227 --> 00:03:48,587 Speaker 3: let's hope he stays in Super Rugby as well. 71 00:03:49,387 --> 00:03:52,587 Speaker 2: It would take a miracle to get him across James, 72 00:03:52,747 --> 00:03:54,067 Speaker 2: wouldn't it. 73 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:54,787 Speaker 3: It would it would. 74 00:03:54,907 --> 00:03:57,827 Speaker 2: That's terrible. Sorry, that's just a pall. 75 00:03:59,627 --> 00:04:02,827 Speaker 3: See they've done him. So that's why I always think, 76 00:04:02,947 --> 00:04:05,067 Speaker 3: you know, like their eyes must light up. And I 77 00:04:05,107 --> 00:04:08,947 Speaker 3: mean we know that current Talboyfelow we'll qualify for the 78 00:04:08,987 --> 00:04:10,787 Speaker 3: All Blacks next year and wants to play in the 79 00:04:10,787 --> 00:04:13,867 Speaker 3: Black Jersey. But Miracle fire Ling he was born in somewhere, 80 00:04:13,987 --> 00:04:16,387 Speaker 3: so this is the whole thing. It's like, and it's 81 00:04:16,467 --> 00:04:20,507 Speaker 3: played for money, Samoa. I mean, I'd say hands off, 82 00:04:20,587 --> 00:04:24,547 Speaker 3: just let's you know, let them cook, let them be amazing. 83 00:04:24,227 --> 00:04:26,307 Speaker 2: And absolutely absolutely and. 84 00:04:26,707 --> 00:04:30,107 Speaker 3: Let let the Pacific Nations actually come up with it, 85 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:32,747 Speaker 3: because can we just be honest here, they were so 86 00:04:32,827 --> 00:04:36,107 Speaker 3: close one pass away from beating England in that World 87 00:04:36,147 --> 00:04:39,107 Speaker 3: Cup last year, so you know they're not far from 88 00:04:39,147 --> 00:04:42,187 Speaker 3: being genuine giant killers at the highest level. 89 00:04:42,547 --> 00:04:46,227 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just enjoy miracle failing and a lot of 90 00:04:46,227 --> 00:04:48,787 Speaker 2: the others as well while they are playing Super rugby. 91 00:04:48,787 --> 00:04:51,667 Speaker 2: It's it's terrific a couple of other sporting matters to 92 00:04:51,907 --> 00:04:55,507 Speaker 2: kick around. Mark Chapman got one hundred yesterday for the 93 00:04:55,547 --> 00:04:58,707 Speaker 2: black Caps. Muhammed A Bass I'm not sure many people 94 00:04:58,747 --> 00:05:03,307 Speaker 2: knew about him before yesterday. Quickest ever half century by 95 00:05:03,427 --> 00:05:05,467 Speaker 2: a debiton for New Zealm. He's got a bit about him. 96 00:05:05,467 --> 00:05:08,347 Speaker 3: This kit he does what a knock and it's kind 97 00:05:08,387 --> 00:05:11,747 Speaker 3: of a nice bit of symmetry and poetry really playing 98 00:05:11,827 --> 00:05:14,907 Speaker 3: in the nation of his birth, Pakistan, and so having 99 00:05:14,987 --> 00:05:17,627 Speaker 3: Muhammad a bus there really just shows this sort of 100 00:05:17,867 --> 00:05:20,467 Speaker 3: the changing face of New Zealand sport and New Zealand 101 00:05:20,467 --> 00:05:23,827 Speaker 3: cricketers has obviously shown a little bit bit of that 102 00:05:23,947 --> 00:05:28,467 Speaker 3: from going back a couple of decades now, but he 103 00:05:28,547 --> 00:05:31,307 Speaker 3: was coached by d pet Petel up in Auckland and 104 00:05:31,587 --> 00:05:33,787 Speaker 3: Deepak is one of those guys. He just does amazing 105 00:05:33,827 --> 00:05:37,187 Speaker 3: work and you know, sort of unsung hero really and 106 00:05:37,347 --> 00:05:39,787 Speaker 3: such a great servant. He still loves the game so much, 107 00:05:40,747 --> 00:05:46,227 Speaker 3: will help anybody. Just a wonderful human being. And Muhammada 108 00:05:46,307 --> 00:05:48,707 Speaker 3: bus is sort of down his way into this New 109 00:05:48,787 --> 00:05:53,747 Speaker 3: Zealand team via Wellington and really that knock was, you know, 110 00:05:53,787 --> 00:05:56,747 Speaker 3: batting at two hundred strike great, was fantastic. So we 111 00:05:56,787 --> 00:05:58,827 Speaker 3: look forward to seeing what he can do. But Mark 112 00:05:58,907 --> 00:06:01,387 Speaker 3: Chapman is the interesting case is and he's played for 113 00:06:01,467 --> 00:06:06,067 Speaker 3: Hong Kong's he was their best player and then said, well, 114 00:06:06,107 --> 00:06:08,987 Speaker 3: I'm to give him hell in the crack. And he's 115 00:06:09,027 --> 00:06:11,947 Speaker 3: not a huge man. You would have met him, Piney 116 00:06:11,987 --> 00:06:15,947 Speaker 3: would have towered over him. And he's a touch player. 117 00:06:16,227 --> 00:06:20,787 Speaker 3: And yet he hit six six's in this century yesterday, 118 00:06:20,867 --> 00:06:25,547 Speaker 3: which is lance Ken stats. And that's the thing that's 119 00:06:25,627 --> 00:06:27,707 Speaker 3: just a changing game and the way that we play. 120 00:06:28,187 --> 00:06:30,627 Speaker 3: And I like the fact that someone like Mark Chapminton 121 00:06:31,307 --> 00:06:33,947 Speaker 3: can still make it through all the sort of like 122 00:06:33,987 --> 00:06:35,147 Speaker 3: the gym rats if you like. 123 00:06:35,827 --> 00:06:39,267 Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's a good bat. He strikes it over one 124 00:06:39,307 --> 00:06:42,667 Speaker 2: hundred in One Day internationals. He's now played a decent 125 00:06:42,747 --> 00:06:46,107 Speaker 2: sample size of thirty, so he's battered I think twenty 126 00:06:46,107 --> 00:06:49,787 Speaker 2: five twenty six times, striking over one hundred in one day. 127 00:06:49,987 --> 00:06:51,827 Speaker 2: He seems like he's the kind of guy who always 128 00:06:52,067 --> 00:06:55,667 Speaker 2: gets dropped when Caine comes back. I feel like he's 129 00:06:55,707 --> 00:06:56,347 Speaker 2: worth more than. 130 00:06:56,347 --> 00:06:59,787 Speaker 3: That now then, So so it will just remain to 131 00:06:59,787 --> 00:07:03,387 Speaker 3: be seen, Like what's the space. I think Chapman's could 132 00:07:03,387 --> 00:07:06,267 Speaker 3: make it in the Test team. I mean, what's happened 133 00:07:06,387 --> 00:07:08,787 Speaker 3: the Rutchan Revender has been amazing. Of course he's a 134 00:07:08,787 --> 00:07:12,707 Speaker 3: young talent. Sapman's been around, but I'd definitely like to 135 00:07:12,707 --> 00:07:17,027 Speaker 3: see what he could do at Test level as well. Yeah, no, 136 00:07:17,067 --> 00:07:19,027 Speaker 3: it was, it was. It was. Actually it's been a 137 00:07:19,067 --> 00:07:23,107 Speaker 3: really good extended summer of cricket and and we've we've 138 00:07:23,107 --> 00:07:26,547 Speaker 3: found you know, we've found another star in the bus now. 139 00:07:26,667 --> 00:07:29,147 Speaker 2: The last time we spoke a week ago, it was 140 00:07:29,187 --> 00:07:31,667 Speaker 2: the day before the All Whites were playing New Caledonia. 141 00:07:31,747 --> 00:07:34,387 Speaker 2: We were both supremely confident that they were getting the 142 00:07:34,427 --> 00:07:37,267 Speaker 2: job done. They did eventually. Did you have any nervous 143 00:07:37,307 --> 00:07:38,747 Speaker 2: moments during that game though. 144 00:07:39,347 --> 00:07:41,907 Speaker 3: Well, they had a shocking first after they are whites. 145 00:07:44,027 --> 00:07:47,187 Speaker 3: It was. It was horrible and I was actually watching 146 00:07:47,227 --> 00:07:49,187 Speaker 3: him with Ricky Herbert. Sorry to name drop, but I'm 147 00:07:49,227 --> 00:07:49,947 Speaker 3: sure you won't mind. 148 00:07:50,187 --> 00:07:50,907 Speaker 2: It's a good one. 149 00:07:51,507 --> 00:07:53,987 Speaker 3: We were having a debate on who which which World 150 00:07:54,027 --> 00:07:57,187 Speaker 3: Cup team was the best, and I think this one 151 00:07:57,587 --> 00:08:00,947 Speaker 3: would be the most talented, but currently it's just hard 152 00:08:00,987 --> 00:08:03,107 Speaker 3: to say. Really they need to go and do something 153 00:08:03,547 --> 00:08:06,187 Speaker 3: next year. But I've got all the all the talent 154 00:08:06,227 --> 00:08:09,587 Speaker 3: and potential. I think there's a couple of things I 155 00:08:09,627 --> 00:08:14,947 Speaker 3: really liked, which was a Costa Barbarusi's pretty much exercising 156 00:08:15,027 --> 00:08:19,267 Speaker 3: the demons of losing the Costa Rica a few years ago. 157 00:08:19,307 --> 00:08:21,987 Speaker 3: He said it still haunted him every night. He was 158 00:08:22,027 --> 00:08:26,467 Speaker 3: concerning Piney. We've all got moments by there though in 159 00:08:26,507 --> 00:08:31,107 Speaker 3: our careers, and then and then the other thing is 160 00:08:31,547 --> 00:08:34,467 Speaker 3: someone like Eli just now speaking of you know, he's 161 00:08:34,507 --> 00:08:38,187 Speaker 3: got a his mixed race kid Chinese mum. He weighs 162 00:08:38,227 --> 00:08:42,387 Speaker 3: sixty five kgs. He you know, sometimes you think, oh, 163 00:08:42,427 --> 00:08:44,907 Speaker 3: you're gonna be okay out there, and of course he's 164 00:08:44,947 --> 00:08:49,547 Speaker 3: absolutely fine. Scored a beautiful goal. He's he's one of 165 00:08:49,547 --> 00:08:51,627 Speaker 3: those guys who's just a little bit of the X 166 00:08:51,627 --> 00:08:55,107 Speaker 3: factor plays in Austria currently, and I think another year 167 00:08:55,467 --> 00:08:58,747 Speaker 3: was perfect for those guys of Eli's generation. We need 168 00:08:58,787 --> 00:09:00,667 Speaker 3: to give them another year. We need another year to 169 00:09:00,667 --> 00:09:04,147 Speaker 3: find starblotsing a better club perhaps so that he can 170 00:09:04,347 --> 00:09:07,987 Speaker 3: realize its full potential. Because the beauty of qualifying this early, 171 00:09:08,347 --> 00:09:10,187 Speaker 3: and we've done it with only a few other nations 172 00:09:10,187 --> 00:09:13,347 Speaker 3: I think Japan and Iran. Obviously the host in Argentina 173 00:09:13,507 --> 00:09:16,427 Speaker 3: is the defending champcell and it just gives us time 174 00:09:16,427 --> 00:09:19,107 Speaker 3: to plan Piney and that's invaluable. 175 00:09:18,987 --> 00:09:21,547 Speaker 2: Absolutely right. Look, you wouldn't believe the stuff that I 176 00:09:21,547 --> 00:09:23,707 Speaker 2: think about every night that keep from me awake, James, 177 00:09:23,787 --> 00:09:25,667 Speaker 2: but talking to you on a Sunday is not one 178 00:09:25,667 --> 00:09:28,307 Speaker 2: of them. 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