1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell and Ginny Anderson both Weather's Good morning, Gunny. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Are you on the Select committee has been dealing with 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: the stalking business? 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I have. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: I thought you were we hard. Yes, So I'm emboldened 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: by the process that I mean, forget the politics for 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: a minute and correcting change. It proves I think you 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: the point you've made on the program before that there 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: are select committees and there are times when stuff does 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: get fixed or changed or amended. And this would be 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: a good example of it, wouldn't it. 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: That's right, and they're often the most rewarding times and politics. 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: So I took a members bell which did provide it 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: a new offense for stalking, and we're the difference between 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: US and National was is that they were still sticking 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 3: to one year, so three separate acts that would be 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: like stalking in one year. And we have reached really 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: close to the sector who worked with women affected by stalking, 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: and we continued to lobby for two year periods because 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: we know that that that works better and it was 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: great to be able to work collaboratively, to listen to submissions, 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: to understand what would work from police and to make 23 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: those changes to strengthen the law. So it's a win 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: for women being safer and usial good. 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: And so from here, from your point of view, Mark 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: say whatever you want once amusk the question. But from 27 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: your point of view, are the police going to be 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: able to enact this in a way because we had 29 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Ruth money on and having a law is one thing 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: when you ring the coppers and having the reaction can 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: sometimes be something different. So they are going to be 32 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: across this and it will work, it will be more effective. 33 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they will. And I think that, yes, I agree 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: with Ginny is it certainly in terms of legislation like this, 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: and we know that women have been targeted and this 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: happens every day and every week around the country in 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: terms of harassment. So and it was brought to caucus 38 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: and actually it was the Prime Minister that said we 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: should go as hard as we can on this and 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: give as much protection as we can to these women, 41 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: and so it went to it went bet to slect 42 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: Mede and there's agreement on that and it's important. Look, 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: Ruth Buddies does an outstanding job now on her role. 44 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: She's been advocating for victims for decades. The police without 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: a doubt take this extremely seriously, and they now have 46 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: the tools to be able to respond with a meaningful, 47 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: good response to these things. 48 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: Good as apolitically as you can. Jinny, the Regulatory Standards Bill, 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: of which there is a lot of verbiage around at 50 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: the moment, do you hand on heart understand what it is. 51 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: Well, it's a new framework that enables David Seymour to 52 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: put his framework into it. So yeah, So typically we 53 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 3: would have a regulatory impact statement that's done by officials 54 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: who often given the most honest opinion on a bill. 55 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: When we're in opposition, we will look at that regulatory 56 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: impact statement and I will honestly say there is no 57 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: problem yet that the government is trying to solve. This 58 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: is simply an election pledge. So having that independent advice 59 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: is critical, and there is a real concern that his 60 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: ministry and his framework will be doing all of that 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: book checking right. 62 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this next question. Why would 63 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: his forget it's him because it will be the ministry 64 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: when he's long gone. Why would the ministry, as being 65 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: part of the public service, suddenly have a particular slant 66 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: that would worry so many people. The reason I asked 67 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: that question is having waded my way through it yesterday 68 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: because I thought, God, this is boring, but I better 69 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: learn about it. It's so interpretation that you could be right, 70 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: but equally you could be wrong. Therefore, I just don't 71 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: know what the drama is about it. 72 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: So there are real consumes, particularly in terms of removing 73 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: existing provisions like the treaty and taking that away. So 74 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: we've always had that as a way of encouraging good 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: race relations, good way of consulting each other. So that 76 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: sort of angle, particularly post the Treaty Principles Bill, there's 77 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: a lot of fear about what this will. 78 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: Be used for. 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: And you're right, there is an unknown element as to 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: how David Seymour will use this to further his own agenda. 81 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: But all right, market, So I just say, look, he's 82 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: obviously deeply focused on He's dedicated most of his life 83 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 4: to policy and good policy making and good public policy, 84 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: and I think that he's definitely brought this in with 85 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: the intent of making sure that in our country. 86 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: We have the best public policy we can have in 87 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: the world. And I think that all that Labour are 88 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: going to do is continue to talk about fear and 89 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: treaty fear and treaty instead of actually talking about the bill. 90 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: But Mark, do you understand it hand on heart? I mean, 91 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: not right or wrong, just do you get what he's 92 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: trying to do or not. 93 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: I do get what he's trying to do because he 94 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: is deeply passionate about trying to make sure that as 95 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: a country we have absolute consistency across our public policy. 96 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: And you know he's always been a campaigner for that. 97 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: He's always been clear about that, and that's what he's 98 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: trying to achieve. The bill will go through a full 99 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: slept Winti process. Everyone will have a chance to make 100 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: a submission. That's great democracy. We live in one of 101 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: the best industries of the world. 102 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: And a couple of broad quick ones for you, ginny Kee, 103 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: we saber for farms. Todd mcclay's made a promise that 104 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: we should get access of we save for farms. Would 105 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: you have any fundamental objection to that as opposed to 106 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: just house. 107 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: I'd have to take a look at how that works, 108 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: and without knowing that, I'm not going to pledge that. 109 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: We need to see how it works and how it operates. 110 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: But so you can take a chunk of your money 111 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: to buy a farm. The same way you can take 112 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: a chunk of your money to buy a first house if. 113 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: It's a first house. So if it's a first property, 114 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: that that's something that's possible. The problem we've had under 115 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: tough times recently is people have lost their home because 116 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: of a mortgage sale and then they're prevented from buying 117 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 3: a second one because they've already used that key resave. 118 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: So very small number of parents right now, there's a 119 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: few out there who have actually lost their home and 120 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: they want to go into buy a second one and 121 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: they've said that's number two, So you don't get that 122 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: interesting market. 123 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: Are you guys working on this given todds the promise? 124 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: No, No, one hundred percent. I mean I was at 125 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: a Young Farmer's meeting about six weeks ago and Morrisville, 126 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: and this is one of the things that they brought 127 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: forward in terms of can they access that money to 128 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: allow them to get their first herd together or vistan 129 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: stock give them helping handed to their first farm. And 130 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: so we see this as has been something that's really 131 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: important to them and that's why we're working on it. 132 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Okay, have I either of you got solar? 133 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: No? 134 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: Would you? Are you interested. Is it a thing? What's 135 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: your power? What's your power bill? Ginny per month round figures? 136 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: Oh about three hundred. 137 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: It's not bad. What's yours? Mate? Not on all your house, 138 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: it's just the one you live in. 139 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: It's a it's a bit higher because I have to 140 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: admit we are running the sparkle and that. 141 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 3: I'm going to tub bath. 142 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: Sorry, Mark, I was laughing too much. What's your monthly power? 143 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: I've got a it's very, very hard and you enjoys. 144 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with the spark It's nothing wrong with the 145 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: spark What what's your monthly bill? 146 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: Roughly as would be around closer to four hundred. 147 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: See, that's not bad, is it? 148 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: What? 149 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: What? 150 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: What's holding you back? Ginny? Doing something about that? Or 151 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: do you you know? As three hundred for you, that's 152 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: doable and that's life and you don't need solar or 153 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: windmill or anything else. 154 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would look at solar. I think that having 155 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: the affordability of panels is something that's important, and I 156 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: think for those people who have invested and you get 157 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: to sell back to the grid, that's a great outcome. 158 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: So you're increasing our resilience and producing it. But you're 159 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: also lowing the household bill, So things like that are 160 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: quite smart. 161 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: Mark this corruption report that came out yesterday, the third 162 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: report from this particular committee. Do you see corruption? Is 163 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: it getting worse? And are the people who should be 164 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: on top of it on top of it? 165 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: So the report is very good in the sense of 166 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: obviously Casey has brought this group together because as a country, 167 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: we want to make sure that we're head of the curve, 168 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: that we're identifying clearly what our threats and threats and 169 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: risks are, and that's what these reports are doing. So yes, 170 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: we can't be naive or complacent. When you look at 171 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: our where we are on the on the corruption X 172 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: is that we still made no mistake. Let's get some 173 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: perspective around it. We're still one of the least corrupt 174 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: countries in the world, so we're doing well. However, yet 175 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: from twenty seventeen we have dropped down to fourth place, 176 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: so we're doing quite a bit of work. And I 177 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: was out with our outstanding Director of the CFO, Karen 178 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: Chang about a month ago we were launching a new 179 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: foreign Interference and Bribery tool and education campaign which included 180 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: an encrypted reporting capability because we are taking positive steps 181 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: and making sure that we do deal with this. 182 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Hey, Ginny, I'm reading yesterday a piece that says, oh wait. 183 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: Can I just say something to go for it? That 184 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: is a huge risk and it's concerning that this government 185 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: cut funding to customs. Right after that we see a 186 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: massive spike and meth and phetamine and still not that 187 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: investmentment in anti corruption. We had a methanphetamine ring operating 188 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: ap Auckland Airport using the baggage. That is a direct 189 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: impact on our credibility and there needs to be more 190 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: action taken by this government to counter the increasing pressure 191 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: methn feed me ninety seven percent increase overdoses increase. This 192 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: is impacting our communities and the government is standing around 193 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: with its hands in its pockets saying that we need 194 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: to do more. 195 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: So I can assure you we're not standing around with 196 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: the hands in their pockets. And I just point out 197 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: the fact that we have dropped to fourth place under 198 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 2: the Labor government in terms of corruption. There's been more 199 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 2: money going to corrections and by the way, we are 200 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: hammering the gangs, and the gangs are the ones that 201 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 2: are responsible for sorry for customs and well there's a 202 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: lot of money gone into corrections as well. But we're 203 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: hammering the gangs, and everyone knows that organized crime and 204 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: the gangs are behind a lot of the corruption, the 205 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: attempted to get people work in the ports, you know, 206 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: the distribution of methamphetamine, the misery that comes with that. 207 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: So no, we're doing a lot of work on this. 208 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: We take public safety really seriously and we're making some 209 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: good progress, but we know we've got a long way 210 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: to go. 211 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: Got the monde of you guys, appreciate it very much, 212 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: Jimmy Anderson, Mark Mitchell. 213 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: For more from The Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to 214 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow 215 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.