WEBVTT - "The Greatest Test Series Win Ever! Featuring Neil Wagner" 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.120 Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. You're listening to 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.120 the b YC. And the unthinkable has happened, a three 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.320 new whitewash of India. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.360 In India, it is an. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:19.639 Unfathomable result, particularly given the black Caps form going into 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.959 the series. In our wildest dreams, we may have thought 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.840 that perhaps the black Caps could steal a Test match 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.320 when a favorable toss, have what go our way and 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.600 catch the Indians on the hop. But to win all 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:37.040 three tests, and more importantly, to dominate all three tests, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.159 seemed well outside the realms of possibility. But here we 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.440 are reveling in the glow of New Zealand's greatest ever 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:49.280 Test series victory. So let's discuss And Dylan, you said 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:50.839 at the end of the last podcast, now I want 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.160 three zapp and I was like, oh, I just had 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.800 a feeling, fellas that all the rage of India would 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.280 be unleashed on and that third Test. But for me, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.960 it just proves that we got under their skin and 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:05.919 we had their measure. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:12.040 I felt it proved that we had exquisitely formulated plans 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.240 that we executed really efficiently. Yes, I think you nailed 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.000 it in that intro New Zealand outplayed India, but there 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.120 was there might have been a random element to that 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.080 first Test, sure, but still India won the toss. Was 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.600 like New Zealand won the toss and decided to take 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.720 first use of those conditions. But in Pune and Mumbai 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:40.640 with tracks specifically catering to Ashwin and Jadasia, New Zealand 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.640 had better plans and played them better. It was immense. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:49.240 I cannot give steared Latham. I presume Southeast still part 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.560 of that leadership firm, probably even came Williamson from home 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.680 knowing him. Cannot give them enough credit for what they 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:56.280 came up with. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:02.080 Well, you know, when we were considering their form Paul forward, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:07.040 it's just such an extraordinary turn a turnaround from what 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:12.320 they came from. And I, you know, I don't know 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.520 anyone out there that could ever have protected this result. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.600 It has just blown everyone's mind and it is our 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.239 greatest Test Areas victory. But we did dominate them, and 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.800 even with that one forty seven guys in the final innings, 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.480 I was like, I don't know, I don't know. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.600 We beat them every single way. You could beat them 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.080 out better than we out bowled them. We outspun them, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.600 We outpaced them, we out caught them, and it was 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:42.280 just so utterly comprehensive it was. It was staggering, and 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.720 you know, yeah, I actually felt quite emotional when we 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.800 won the third one. I just couldn't believe it. It 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.600 was my birthday and I just wanted something good for 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.080 my birthday. The Phoenix lost, and then I went like, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.239 the cricket has just blowing my mind. It was just 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:03.280 three extraordinary winds over consecutive weeks, and each one more 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.160 incredible than the one before. And I mean last week, yeah, 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.760 you know, you just referenced to there with Dylan said, 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.160 God would be good to win three nil. But I 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.480 just have this feeling of dread and I just don't 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:15.680 think that we're going to be able to do it. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.239 But if we do, shit, it'll be amazing. And here 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.240 we are, so last week we think we're having a 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.440 discussion about whether that second Test win and the series 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.200 win was our greatest Test series win in the history 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.200 of cricket. And now this week, this series three, Niel 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.080 black Cat Blackwashing is being called out as the biggest 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.000 upset in Test cricket history, bar every team, bar none. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.760 It's just it's unfavorable. It just blows my mind and 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.800 I do hope that it stops. It won't, but I 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.280 just kind of hope we can't keep saying we're punching 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.440 above our weight. Once you've beat in India three nil 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.240 in India, yeah you're kind of you're boxing in the 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:58.960 right waight division heavyweights now. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.960 Yeah, by the way, the Phoenix got a hiding. What 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:10.559 struck me, Dylan was that it was a comprehensive team performance. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:11.040 Yep. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:16.200 And yes, you had outstanding contributions from your Sanna's the 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.599 age as et cetera, et cetera. But the Batsman, for example, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.800 made contributions. You know, there were no hundreds, but really 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:29.040 significant contributions. So let's focus on the on the batting 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:29.920 side of things. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:30.360 First. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.239 We spoke to Gary Stead yesterday and I said to him, Gary, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.159 you know who I'm most stoked for Will Young because 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.719 I've really felt for the guy and he's been an 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.159 example of perseverance in terms of hanging in there, hanging 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.160 in there, and I was so stoked for him. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:47.080 He had a great series. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.080 What a Gary see? 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.720 He said, yeah, he's he agreed, and that he said 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.560 that you know, he's a good player. And he's been 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.560 given an opportunity and he's taken it, and we were 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:56.360 delighted for him. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.159 And he might be carrying the drinks in the next yest. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.719 But exactly exactly, we'll get to that point. But the 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.760 thing about contributions is really interesting because you can get 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.719 contributions and bunches and you can win a test. But 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.200 what I thought was particularly unique to the series was 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.800 that not many Black Caps had what you'd call a 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.880 consistently great series. Like Will Young was very consistent. Sure, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.040 AJS was great in one test, Sata was great one test, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.720 Henry was great in one test. But what happened was 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.040 they were phenomenally well timed. Yes, when guys did stand up, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.120 they really stood it. And the guy that probably had 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.200 the toughest series of all, Tom Blundell. You know that 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.760 number six spots just a dead spot for New Zealand 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.520 at the moment. He still managed out of that debris 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.400 to score a vital forty one in the second dig 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.720 and Pune and kept like a god on that last 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:53.120 day when at one Kadie, which was incredibly difficult, the 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.599 catch he took off the reverse swegk Oh that was 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.840 ridiculous Ashwood was just it was fantastic work. So yeah, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.960 contributions were key up and down the audito. You look 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.479 at Mitchell struggled a bit in the series hugely vital 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.440 weighty two that partnership him and Will Young put together 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.479 on that first day at one KDE when it just 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:16.720 looked like oven like conditions of pressing conditions amazing. Glen 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.400 Phillips at number seven didn't have an amazing series with 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.440 the bat but scored a vital forty eight night out. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.320 I think it was had a Benglaro who and then 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.120 he smote a few sixers with the tail and another 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.440 innings that kind of pushed New Zealand from a struggling 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.440 position to a good position. Sowdy gets his sixty five 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.400 yes at Bengalaru who he had row it on toast 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.120 for the first couple of innings that he bowled, but 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.960 again didn't have a great series. Yes, it was just 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.400 it was just, you know, these amazingly well timed interventions 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.120 from everyone in that batting order. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.719 And that's not forgetting Latham's eighty odd great New Zealand 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:58.320 innings of all time. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.360 Comway, a couple of chipping in a cup of time. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.039 Yes, just on that catch with was at Ashwyn, that 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.599 incredible catch by Blundele. But I don't know if you 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:12.120 both went, oh god, because we'd used up our what 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.200 do you call them reviews, reviews and the last one 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.120 was an absolute shocker. That was a great decision by 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.600 the humpire. That was I thank god he made that call. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.960 Your thoughts on everyone contributing, Paul Forward, Yeah, I. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.240 Mean, I guess in the aftermath of the series, it's 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.200 it's just sort of searching for answers about how it happened, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.520 you know, it's it's almost unexplainable. And yeah, that the 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.800 multiple contributions is the first thing that comes to mind. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:41.600 I think the wake up call that came in Sri Lanka, 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.280 you know, and maybe that would have come we might 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.440 have got a fright against Afghanistan, you know, the game 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.840 that never got played, that miserable week spent in Great Annoider, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.240 And yeah, the Sri Lankan series maybe was the thing 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.680 that we needed to push ourselves into action. But it 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.000 did feel like India were at sea. New Zealand were 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:04.240 absolutely clinical, Route was adaptive, flexible. It felt like we 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.240 were like the sleeper cell that India just completely underestimated, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.960 thought they were going to kick our ass, if not 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.760 in the first Test, then definitely in the second and 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:15.640 the third. It really shows that the team culture in 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:19.080 that Black Cats unit is so so strong. You know 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.280 that they should have been broken going into that series, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.760 given the fact that you know, any number of data points, 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.760 tea twenty Cricket World Cup, shit, our wash out in Afghanistan, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.439 pasted in Sri Lanka, captain's gone best, batsman's out, injuries 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.600 to Matt Henry, injuries to Santana. India is a fortress. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.440 Players are out of form. Conservative coach and you know, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.960 I wanted to touch on this just briefly. We've been 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.240 we've been very critical of some of the selections and 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.800 the dogma and the conservative nature of this Black Cats 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.480 team over recent months, recent series, prior to this one. 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.839 Probably eight months to two years really, but. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.560 And you know, they they were still pretty conservative with 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.720 their selections, but shit, they were not with their tactics. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.559 They played in a completely different way. You know, they 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.920 played with freedom, They were very deliberate about attacking the spinners, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.920 and you know, when selections were forced to the guys 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.520 that came and performed magnificently. And I guess you know, 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.840 in that sense we've touched on that Young coming in 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:23.400 for Williamson. I mean, Santana coming in basically because Bracewel 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.480 went home, you know, and then you know Ajs stepping 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.560 up when Santon was out the following week. Just just 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.720 a bunch of extraordinary circumstances. Really. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.959 Yeah, speaking of Ages, he likes Mumbai, doesn't he. Yeah, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.640 what was that twenty how many wickets? 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:38.240 Twenty five? 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.280 I've read something that there's no foreign bowler has taken 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.880 as many wickets at one KDI Stadium as Ages. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.640 Yes, it was Ian, both of them, I think before. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:47.320 it was Ian both. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:48.200 Yeah, it was. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.560 So it's amazing. I mean, guys, when you look at 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.520 this as a whole, I know you will pull but 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.600 a favorite statistic from the series. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.120 I've got a kind one and and a mean one. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.319 The kind one is in mineer obvious, ye know. The 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.160 kind one is that it's the first time we've ever 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.400 won three matches in a Test series. The mean one 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.600 is the fact that it's the first instance of India 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.880 being whitewashed at home in a three match series. So 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.880 so good. And just to balance that, out just so 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.520 that they don't feel too bad. We have also lost 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.320 two series three mil at home, one to England in 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.880 the sixties and one to Australia in two thousands, which 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.280 was very painful, very painful. Few weeks an you'll leave 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:30.520 for me. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.360 Yeah, we've spoken about well, Young but I want to 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.760 go to some correspondence here. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.080 Can I just give you one step? 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:37.400 Oh? 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:37.720 Yes? 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:37.880 No? 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.520 Do will Young faced four hundred and sixty bulls in 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:47.960 this series? Colie and Sharma between them face three hundred 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:48.760 and six. 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.439 And average fifteen collectively fifteen. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.320 Jeez, I tell you what bluddy India is. We will 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.200 be panicking, won't they? And mate, do you think, just 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.400 very briefly, there was an element of them looking over 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.480 to Australia and forgetting that there was they were playing 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:05.520 a test series here? 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.520 Absolutely? I think also that they've been a new coach, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.640 which dot I don't think is universally adored in that 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.959 changing room. Yes, and also maybe they are going through 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.680 some of the pains that we've been through for the 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.839 past eighteen months with a golden generation of players. And 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:26.360 let's basic Kohali Sharma, Jadeja at Eshwyn a Gods of 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.160 cricket in India. They're all getting slightly long in the 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.880 tooth now and may have taken their r off the 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:33.440 ball a little bit. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:33.920 Yeah. 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.320 I think as well that if you're a team with 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.839 the batting talent of India and the spin bowling talent 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:46.240 of India, you bring the teams together, you bring weaker 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.120 teams on paper closer to you by putting us on 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.200 spinning tracks because you don't have to be an amazing 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.640 spinner to spin the ball on those tracks. And you know, 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.960 you have to show application with your batting and all 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.440 of that, all of that kind of stuff. But if 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.679 your batsmen are not up to scratch out of form, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.680 as you say, getting a bit long in the tooth, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.480 and then you're young players who are really really good, 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.520 but let's be honest, they're not betting like Rale Dravd, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.680 you know Rahana. Those guys just really kind of digging 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.400 in and just settling in to bat for you know, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:24.640 seven sessions. Yeah, that really that The way that India 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.000 attempted to screw the scrum in their favor played into 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.440 New Zealand tens magnificently in this series. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.200 You know, I'm loving this bit of correspondence that we 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.559 got because I was asking myself a similar question going, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:42.959 you know, regarding Will Young and AGEZ and Simon of 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:48.880 CD rights watch well, age Azz are well and age 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:54.079 Azz what watch well and age as will be dropped 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.200 for the next test Canterbury beebs. It's good to have 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.959 something to ground yourself in these heating times. But imagine 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.920 Will betting at number five, feasting on spin and I 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.280 you know, because it was actually my wife that said 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.400 to me. She said, oh, so what happens when Williamson 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.520 comes back? And I was like, it's going to happen 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.680 again to Will Young, isn't it. He's going to be ditched. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.280 I think he will be, Yeah, because in christ Church 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.680 it's just not the New Zealand way to go on 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.000 with just three seemers, even though when it's normally green 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.720 conditions down there, you would have thought three seemers could 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.520 get the job done. Darryl Mitchell can be that kind 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.959 of surrogate for I just forget that Glenn Phillips is 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.240 you're one and only spinner, and then you could maybe 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:42.480 find a spot for Will Young. But Latham's not going anywhere. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.240 He's Captain Conway's back and form Williamson's got number three. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.320 You have to have a spot in the middle order 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.960 for Ratchen and Darryl Mitchell. You have to have a 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.200 worker keeper. Doesn't matter if it's Bundle or Mitchell. Hey, 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.640 but they've got to play. So unless they do something 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.079 incredibly radical and say to Tom Latham you've got the 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.440 gloves now, mate, it's a good place to captain aside 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.560 from as wicket keeper, and then have to look for 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.280 an opener, which would be will Young even though it's 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.040 not Averages twenty two is an opener unless they get 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.280 really funky. I think he is going to miss out 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:13.839 and christ Church. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.240 It's unbelievable when you consider that, isn't it. It's unbelievable, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.920 and it's just it's just a reflection of his career really, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.320 But yeah, it's very difficult, Budgie. We've also got ratching 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.760 for a bit of spin as well, of course. Yep, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.400 and I thought he was actually he was underbold in 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.120 that series, but there you go. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.240 Yeah, well, I've already accounted for the fact they won't 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.080 carry a Santa on AJZ in christ Hitch, and I 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.360 still can't squeeze them in elegantly. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.200 I can't squeez them in elegantly. But yeah, I agree 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.520 with your Latham Kamai, Williamson, Revender, Young Mitchell, but I 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.240 think I can't see them getting rid of blunder either. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.840 And then if you're seem as a Sauthi, Henry and O'Rourke, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.080 you've got you could do a Phillips or a Center 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.840 or a bracelet and not have that fourth cema, because 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.120 who is the fourth sema. It's not James and he's injured. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.000 It's not sea As he's injured. You know, it's Duffy 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.360 another right arm, or it's Google Line, it's Techno, or 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.720 it's Nathan Smith. I don't know. I think that maybe 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.760 they'll do a Phillips or a Santna or a Bracewoll, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.160 and they will get young in there. I can see 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:11.720 away it. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.640 It'll be Phillips, won't they. They're not going to drop 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.120 Phillips for a Bracewill or a Santner, are they? 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:16.920 Surely? 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:17.320 Though? So? 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.240 Mmmm, fascinating stuff, Fellas. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.640 What about some other great upsets and test cricket history, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.840 Paul Ford, this is your sort of zone. You'll be 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.360 all over this. In fact you are. You've written my 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.440 one for me, I am all over it. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.720 But I just want to say I have thought about 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.400 this and I don't think that my nomination beats what 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.520 New Zealand have achieved over the last few weeks. But 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.960 on paper, when New Zealand beat the West Indies in 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:52.760 nineteen eighty, that was an incredible, incredible victory if you 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.760 don't look too deep into the circumstances surrounding. You know, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.640 and and you know. The case in point is that 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:05.200 Playing with Fire and Babylon, the magnificent film about the right, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.360 the documenting the greatness of the West Indies coming together 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.160 in the nineteen seventies under Clive Lloyd and the soundtrack 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.760 of Bob Marley and all the magnificent things they did 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.600 to bring the West Indies together. The nineteen eighty series 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.120 Against zeal And got kind of left out of that 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.000 documentary because it very very much did not fit the narrative. A. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.080 They lost, b they carried on like pork chops and 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.360 see some of the umpiring was probably not going to 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.120 be It was probably more fit for comedy than documentary. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.720 But yeah, like that West Indies team that came over here, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.720 they'd just all been rock stars in the world series. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.760 They've beaten Australia in a series, and then yes, of 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.040 course they came over here and we all know what 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.440 happened with Richard Headley getting was at seven lbw's and 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.840 Fred Goodall and all the carrying on with Colin Croft 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.000 and all that kind of stuff. Western is deliberately misfielding 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.080 balls and dropping catchers and just wanting to go home. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.960 I love the comment from Fred Goodall where he said, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.920 I'm not sure what they got so angry about. I'd 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.640 umpired county games in England. I wasn't a professional. I 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.720 was a school teacher. I mean, I don't think that 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:04.960 made anybody feel better. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:11.840 No Iver a series that certainly can be accused of 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.600 recency bias here, but I loved that series. In twenty 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.600 twenty one when India beat Australia in Australia, oh that 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.920 was great. After Tim Payne said wait till we get 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.760 you to the gabba mate, and they got to the 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.480 Gabba and India won that test to win that. This 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.840 was the series. They were all out for thirty something 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.320 in Atelaide, thirty six years thirty six they won in 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.040 Melbourne and Tim Payne was giving it all this and 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.000 telling ash when none of his teammates liked him. And 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.760 it's probably true that smashed them at the Gabba and 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.000 they got up there. And it wasn't just the fact 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.320 that India beat Australia at the Gabba. They beat them 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:49.360 without Kohli, without Jadesia, without Ashwin, without Boomera, and without Chami. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.800 Their bowling attack for that Test was Washington Sunda. Yes, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.320 it was only on that tour as a development player 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.520 because he was seen as a sort of T twenty guy. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:02.280 Only a guy called Shad Or the ker Lord, Chardle 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.840 Nev Deep Signe, Mohammad Sharaz saraj who was really only 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:11.399 a kind of novice back then, and some guy called 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:17.679 Finger Rahu Netarajan who I can barely remember. So that 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.560 was a magnificent day. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.879 I remember that Test match very well because because of 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.720 the massive injuries that the Indians had in the situation, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.960 no one gave him a chance and hall of winning 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.840 that Test match, and neither did I quite frankly, and 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.440 I remember didn't Pant. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.439 Had a Pant and Gil who had both got there 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:40.240 were kids, yes, they kind of one pink Gil got 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.640 ninety ninety odd and I think Pink got eighty nine. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.560 Not out about you, Jason. 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.800 West Cindy's beat England and England in nineteen forty two. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.119 I was just a little fella at that stage, with 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.480 the team containing a young Gary Sobers and led by 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.640 Jamaican Michael Manley. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.040 No I don't remember that, No, neither. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.040 In the middle of the war, was it. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.320 Yeah, yeah, you son of a bitch kept them by 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:11.560 the Jamaican Prime Minister. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.000 Well, at least I knew it was a setup because 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.800 you wrote it for me. So all right, let's look 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:24.520 at the ramifications then, because three Test wins in terms 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.600 of the World Test Championship and when we're done and dusted. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.520 It's brought us back into the race a little bit. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.320 Dylan, Yeah, look, I still think it's a bit of 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.480 a long shot. But the first thing that we can 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.600 control the controllables, as Gary Stead will be saying probably 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.840 about seventeen times in the lead up to the first 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.280 Test against England, but we can control the controllables by 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.800 beating England in the series, and that at the very 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:53.040 least would mean that there's five teams in Australia, India, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.359 South Africa, Sri Lanka, Australia's in pole position and they've 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.960 got a home series against India and an away series 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.600 against Sri Lanka. They should couple enough points to be 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.159 one of the two teams. I think India are going 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.359 to struggle. I think they've only from memory, They've only 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.639 got the series against Australia and obviously they are not 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.800 gain feeling great about themselves. South Africa is the one though. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.520 They've got two Test series against Sri Lanka and Pakistan 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.040 at home. I can see them winning all four of 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.359 them and I think that would be it. Is that right, Paul? 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:26.760 Yeah, I think that's right. I mean I had a 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.760 there's so many permutations. There's some dangerously complicated maths, but 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.280 the guts of it. Some nerd did a calculation. Australia 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.639 are eighty six percent chance of making the final, So 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.080 Africa sixty four percent, New Zealand thirty three percent, Sri 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:45.280 Lanka nine percent. That's kind of factoring in every possible permutation. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:46.520 So sounds about right, yeap. 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.879 What would really suck is if South Africa make that final. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.680 And I can tell you why, after what they did 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.919