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Speaker 1: the b YC. And the unthinkable has happened, a three

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Speaker 1: new whitewash of India.

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Speaker 2: In India, it is an.

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Speaker 1: Unfathomable result, particularly given the black Caps form going into

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Speaker 1: the series. In our wildest dreams, we may have thought

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Speaker 1: catch the Indians on the hop. But to win all

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Speaker 1: three tests, and more importantly, to dominate all three tests,

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Speaker 1: seemed well outside the realms of possibility. But here we

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Speaker 1: are reveling in the glow of New Zealand's greatest ever

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Speaker 1: Test series victory. So let's discuss And Dylan, you said

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Speaker 1: at the end of the last podcast, now I want

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Speaker 1: a feeling, fellas that all the rage of India would

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Speaker 1: it just proves that we got under their skin and

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Speaker 3: I felt it proved that we had exquisitely formulated plans

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Speaker 3: that we executed really efficiently. Yes, I think you nailed

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Speaker 3: it in that intro New Zealand outplayed India, but there

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Speaker 3: was there might have been a random element to that

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Speaker 3: like New Zealand won the toss and decided to take

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Speaker 3: I cannot give steared Latham. I presume Southeast still part

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, when we were considering their form Paul forward,

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Speaker 1: it's just such an extraordinary turn a turnaround from what

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Speaker 1: It has just blown everyone's mind and it is our

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Speaker 4: We beat them every single way. You could beat them

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Speaker 4: out better than we out bowled them. We outspun them,

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Speaker 4: We outpaced them, we out caught them, and it was

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Speaker 4: just so utterly comprehensive it was. It was staggering, and

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Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I actually felt quite emotional when we

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Speaker 4: won the third one. I just couldn't believe it. It

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Speaker 4: was my birthday and I just wanted something good for

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Speaker 4: my birthday. The Phoenix lost, and then I went like,

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Speaker 4: the cricket has just blowing my mind. It was just

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Speaker 4: three extraordinary winds over consecutive weeks, and each one more

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Speaker 4: you know, you just referenced to there with Dylan said,

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Speaker 4: God would be good to win three nil. But I

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Speaker 4: But if we do, shit, it'll be amazing. And here

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Speaker 4: we are, so last week we think we're having a

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Speaker 4: discussion about whether that second Test win and the series

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Speaker 4: black Cat Blackwashing is being called out as the biggest

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Speaker 4: It's just it's unfavorable. It just blows my mind and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, the Phoenix got a hiding. What

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And yes, you had outstanding contributions from your Sanna's the

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Speaker 1: We spoke to Gary Stead yesterday and I said to him, Gary,

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Speaker 4: And you know, they they were still pretty conservative with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've spoken about well, Young but I want to

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Speaker 3: Can I just give you one step?

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Speaker 1: be panicking, won't they? And mate, do you think, just

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Speaker 1: Paul Ford, this is your sort of zone. You'll be

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Speaker 1: West Cindy's beat England and England in nineteen forty two.

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Speaker 3: Dylan, Yeah, look, I still think it's a bit of

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, that would be delicious, fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Have shredded chicken and mixed in with it?

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Speaker 1: No, it was a bit of salmon with a miso

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Speaker 1: glaze actually, and roasted vegetables.

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Speaker 2: But there you go, good stuff. Thanks for listen. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back shortly.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to have with us one of cricket's fiercest,

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Speaker 1: most relentless bowlers, Neil Wagner, join us for a chat.

443
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Speaker 1: Known for his aggressive onfield persona and two hundred and

444
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Speaker 1: sixty hard earned wickets and sixty four Tests, Neil bowled

445
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: thirteen thousand, seven hundred and twenty five balls and Test

446
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: cricket for New Zealand since his debut and Antigua in

447
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve. He's been a massive lion hearted, beautifully coy charismatic,

448
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: admirable and hugely entertaining presence on the kiwie cricket scene

449
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: since washing up on our shores from Pretoria earlier this century.

450
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Speaker 1: Feared by batsman worldwide for his skill and passion, he's

451
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Speaker 1: been a bloody inspiration to battler's all over this great nation.

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Speaker 1: Neil Wagner, Welcome to the byc.

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Speaker 6: Mate, Thanks guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Absolute pleasure.

455
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Speaker 3: And yeah, why'd you write a book?

456
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Speaker 6: Good question. I was very against it.

457
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Speaker 5: I didn't want to do it, to be honest, at

458
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Speaker 5: the start. The rider kept haunting andnouning me for quite

459
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Speaker 5: some time.

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Speaker 6: I said, nah, nah, I don't want to do it

461
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Speaker 6: for about a year and a half.

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Speaker 5: And then after retirement, sitting back, I guess reflecting a

463
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Speaker 5: bit about your career in life and a few bits

464
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Speaker 5: and pieces, and yeah, a couple of whiskeys deep on

465
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Speaker 5: the deck of my wife, she sort of inspired me

466
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 5: and said, hey, I think you should do it. I

467
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 5: wrung the writer up and said, hey, James, that's rather

468
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Speaker 5: bloody book mate, and put it on and paper now

469
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Speaker 5: because I've probably changed my mind.

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Speaker 6: In the morning.

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Speaker 5: So so yeah, it wasn't easy, but I sort of thought,

472
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Speaker 5: you know, there's a bit of a story to tell

473
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Speaker 5: and some people might like it, some people might not.

474
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Speaker 5: But I sort of thought, you know, if I can

475
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Speaker 5: make a difference in someone's life, then even if it's

476
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Speaker 5: just one person, I'll be bloody stokes so worth a

477
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Speaker 5: crackly well.

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Speaker 3: On that subject. I mean, what were the hardest bits

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Speaker 3: for you to dig into? And is there a sort

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Speaker 3: of do you ever feel guilty about digging into those?

481
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Speaker 3: I guess very personal parts of your life that other

482
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Speaker 3: people would have been unaware of.

483
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Speaker 6: Not till recently.

484
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Speaker 5: Spoken to some of my closest mates or cane to

485
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Speaker 5: and trains around some of the stuff I went through.

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Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't until probably very recent but once

487
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Speaker 5: once I said it, you sort of feel a little

488
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 5: bit shitty and bad, and it's sort of like, ah,

489
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Speaker 5: it was better often and I just get it to

490
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Speaker 5: myself and I was the only one who knew about it.

491
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Speaker 5: But then after a week or two, you know the

492
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: support you gives and you actually feel better for it.

493
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: I shed open to a massive group of his young

494
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Speaker 5: cricketers which we had a meeting to give in christ

495
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Speaker 5: it and sort of told them briefly about it and

496
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Speaker 5: seeing the response and that I sort of looked at

497
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Speaker 5: it when she's lighter, and I do this back in

498
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Speaker 5: twenty twelve, like you know, and Mike Sandel was a

499
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Speaker 5: huge driver around a problem shed his problem halved, and

500
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Speaker 5: it was definitely that once I sort of felt like

501
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Speaker 5: sharing those I guess insecurities and few things that you

502
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Speaker 5: had and mental sort of battles mental health issues and

503
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Speaker 5: sort of felt easier to talk about it. And then

504
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Speaker 5: obviously the retirement part was something that was pretty tough

505
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Speaker 5: to talk about and pretty tough to put in writing.

506
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Speaker 5: But there was a lot of speculation and there's a

507
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Speaker 5: lot of talk around it, and people have their own

508
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 5: sort of I guess, you know, made up version or forden.

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Speaker 6: It started agin coming.

510
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Speaker 5: Hard when you go out play around a goal for

511
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 5: around and sort of doing at a restaurant and someone

512
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 5: sort of asked something or said something and their own

513
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 5: perception was sort of quite tough to deal with, and

514
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Speaker 5: I sort of felt like for my own personal sort

515
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Speaker 5: of going out well being you know, I sort of

516
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 5: felt fit out there and I kind of wanted it

517
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 5: from the start, and everyone knows the truth and what happened.

518
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Speaker 5: Then I feel more happy about it, so I thought

519
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Speaker 5: it's a way to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just to clarify, just for our listeners who

521
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Speaker 3: might not have read the book yet, when you're talking

522
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Speaker 3: about those mental health battles, you're talking about the trip

523
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Speaker 3: to shrit anchor Eity and your create and when you

524
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Speaker 3: had a really tough time, you found yourself in an

525
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Speaker 3: incredibly dark place. And I mean, I guess you can

526
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Speaker 3: tell the story now, but there was a lot going

527
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Speaker 3: on in your mind that wasn't good.

528
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Speaker 5: Yeah. To be honest, the team was a pretty tough

529
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Speaker 5: place at the time. There was a lot going on,

530
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Speaker 5: coaches going on out the environment was a little bit

531
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Speaker 5: more selfish, a little bit more yet to look after

532
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Speaker 5: your own backyard, and it was tough building relationships and friendships.

533
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Speaker 6: And like I said, I talk about in the book,

534
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Speaker 6: you know, the way I came and.

535
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Speaker 5: Brought up in South Africa was being quite hard and

536
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 5: aggressive on the field and quite verbal.

537
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Speaker 6: And that's how I started out over here.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of the guys I you know, played

539
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Speaker 5: against them, sort of take a liking of that, and

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden you find being in the same

541
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Speaker 5: change room and it's not.

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Speaker 6: The sort of key we way.

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Speaker 5: I think it took a long long time for people

544
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Speaker 5: to get to know you, and at the start I

545
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Speaker 5: reckon I probably try too hard to fit in and

546
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Speaker 5: wanting to, I guess, show the true side of me.

547
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Speaker 6: And it was quite frustrating at the time. But you know,

548
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 6: when you're in a.

549
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Speaker 5: Deep dark hole and you don't really feel good, when

550
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 5: a little conversation happened and you get there and people

551
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Speaker 5: stopped talking which was not about you, you automatically think,

552
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Speaker 5: oh gosh, it's got to be about me, you know,

553
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Speaker 5: And when you're a in the rabbit hole, you start

554
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 5: thinking the worst. You better I think just going down

555
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 5: room and sitting there with yourself and the team was

556
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: in a different place, and Brennan and obviously Hess was

557
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Speaker 5: a huge driver that changed the whole. I guess, you know,

558
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 5: I guess the landscape of the team, the whole You

559
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 5: know everything about it, the whole way, the team not

560
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: just run, but you know everything about what we wanted

561
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Speaker 5: to be here as a team, who we wanted to

562
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Speaker 5: play for, how we wanted to play was a huge

563
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Speaker 5: drive from from those two and in Kane or you

564
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Speaker 5: see a huge part of it as well, changing changing

565
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Speaker 5: everything that from the first environment he walked into wasn't

566
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Speaker 5: really ortent sary the most welcoming and friendliest environments to

567
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Speaker 5: probably one of the best environments in the world now currently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, you talk about coming from South Africa there,

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Speaker 1: Neil and there is a there is a sort of

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Speaker 1: different mentality that South Africans bring onto the field. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, you know, the South African cricketers that

573
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Speaker 1: have come over from South Africa good to New Zealand

574
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Speaker 1: bring to New Zealand crew.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think the wall has changed now.

576
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Speaker 5: I think way back in the day there was a

577
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Speaker 5: lot more that sort of happening, even if we played

578
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: against Australia or Sovaka play Australia Australia Bay in New Zealands.

579
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: A lot of that sort of stuff that have happened

580
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 5: a lot more, I think with the landscape of Tea

581
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: twenty cred and all these franchise and leagues and a

582
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 5: lot of guys playing with each other and against each other.

583
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Speaker 6: Now you become mates of each other.

584
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Speaker 5: So the banter is still there, but it's a lot

585
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Speaker 5: smarter and friendly banter. It's not as aggressive as what

586
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Speaker 5: it used to be. I guess, and it's changed massively,

587
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 5: like you're still the oddag year are there? Or people

588
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 5: that don't really see eye to eye like each other.

589
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 5: That sort of still happens. But in the past it

590
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 5: used to be a real intimidation sort of factor. You know,

591
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 5: people try to get under your skin and went quite personal.

592
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 5: That has changed a lot now, and I think it's

593
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Speaker 5: through the landscape of obviously the leagues and players getting

594
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 5: to know each other a lot, and friendships I guess

595
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 5: all around the world now.

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Speaker 4: Neil, sometimes, to be honest, you looked pretty passed off

597
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 4: You're out there playing, and you know, Michael Jordan famously

598
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: latched onto like little things just to get himself fired

599
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: up in basketball games. Were you a bit like that?

600
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: Did you need to, I guess stoke things along to

601
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Speaker 4: get the best out of yourself.

602
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Speaker 5: Every time I played with smile on my face or

603
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Speaker 5: do something happy, I don't do it good. So I

604
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Speaker 5: had to try and change that way.

605
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I struggle with anxiety and pressure streets and pressure

607
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 5: of the game and things that I can really control.

608
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Speaker 6: Selection and you know, what people think about you.

609
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Speaker 5: And at the start of my career, when I was younger,

610
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: I read way too much media. I listened to commentators

611
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 5: talking about you know, your scene position, or being good

612
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 5: enough of this or that, and things as you're actually

613
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 5: trying to do, and bits and pieces in it, and

614
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Speaker 5: it would be a thing where guys and the team

615
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 5: would take the piss out of you with a little

616
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Speaker 5: bit as well. And it got to a point where

617
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Speaker 5: you know, you don't try and show it because you

618
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: don't want to show weakness. You don't want to show

619
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Speaker 5: something that could jeopardize your selection in a way.

620
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Speaker 6: So you just bottle it up.

621
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Speaker 5: And for me, he was trying to channel learn and

622
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: obviously I guess try and get aggressive and get in

623
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Speaker 5: a fight, in a battle with a better to get

624
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: rid of all the other stuff that was.

625
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 6: Pulling me back and holding me back.

626
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Speaker 5: They had to try and find a blue battle to

627
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Speaker 5: give myself to get rid of that strets and anxiety

628
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 5: and pressures and the stuff the negative thoughts was in

629
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Speaker 5: your head.

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Speaker 2: A release valve very much.

631
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Speaker 3: I want to briefly talk about the end and a

632
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Speaker 3: couple of aspects of that. You write very well in

633
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: the book about the meeting in Hamilton that you were

634
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: called to you kind of blindsided. I was wondering how

635
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: you viewed Tim's role in that, and whether you sort

636
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: of had admiration for the fact that he's one of

637
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Speaker 3: your best mates and he's sitting in that room. I'm

638
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: not sure if he's struggling to make eye contact, but

639
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: he knows that there's bad news coming. How you kind

640
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: of felt about that, And also, in all honesty, when

641
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: you came onto the base and as that twelfth man

642
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: and the crowd stood as one for you, did you

643
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: shed it here?

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00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 6: I started that first.

645
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie to you. I had a not

646
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 5: on my throat. There was a million things going through

647
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: your mind that you just can't explain. Just that Number one,

648
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Speaker 5: this is the last moment you're going to have a

649
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: black cap and be close to the action in this way.

650
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 5: Then seeing the reaction, what it's meant for people, I

651
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 5: guess in New Zealand and I guess, yeah. Getting their

652
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: reaction was something I didn't expect, but it was sort

653
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 5: of overwhelming, to be honest, and I didn't know where

654
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 5: I was quite try and don't know where to look

655
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 5: at one and then instantly I thought, shit, if a

656
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: catch come away, don't drop it here now. So my

657
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 5: heart was literally in my throat thinking, gosh, don't make

658
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: it up your last little moment. I guess I'm in

659
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 5: the Black Cap and playing in New Zealand, like you

660
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 5: could still play a part in contributing something. Yeah, but yeah,

661
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 5: I mean, hey, myself and Tim went through a hell

662
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 5: of a lot together on and off the field.

663
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 6: We pretty good mates.

664
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 5: I write about in the book that you know, when

665
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 5: I came into the scene first, it was probably one

666
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 5: of the guys that didn't like me a lot and

667
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 5: sort of didn't really know what it was like really,

668
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: And so he got to know me, I guess better,

669
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: and our friendship sort of grew and there was a

670
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 5: lot of trust that grew with that.

671
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 6: And yeah, we shared a hell of a lot.

672
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 5: And I know for him, you know, having to sit there,

673
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 5: I guess captain having that discussion, it could not have

674
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 5: been easy.

675
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 6: It must have been bloody hard.

676
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 5: And I have a lot of respects for Tim.

677
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 6: You know.

678
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: The first thing is we picked up the phone afterwards,

679
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 5: and while I was on the road driving back to

680
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 5: my had a yarn of me and spoke to me

681
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 5: over the phone and just trying to really support and

682
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 5: be there and every way he could and the first,

683
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: you know instance that he was in the mount with

684
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 5: a black apps camp. He text me and said, listen,

685
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 5: let's catch up the coffee and we'll go, you know,

686
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 5: have something and every yarn. And I've got a lot

687
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: of respects for that, and I appreciate that from to

688
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 5: me obviously, and shows you that the leader and the

689
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: person he is in that sense.

690
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 6: And it could not have been easy anyway.

691
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: But that's why I sort of mentioned the book is

692
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 5: that's the brutality of I guess sport and the nature

693
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 5: of I'll probably not the the first, Bobby want be

694
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: the last to be able to go through something like this,

695
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 5: and it's it's you know, it's it's gutting. And it

696
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 5: was probably the one of the lowest points I've had,

697
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 5: I guess my career.

698
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 6: It was pretty tough, but there's learnings and all these

699
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 6: sort of things and you've got to take board I

700
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 6: guess with it.

701
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: And yeah, like I say, although it wasn't easy, you

702
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 5: have to spear forward for the guys involved having to

703
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: do it too.

704
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 6: And like I said, it's the brute and brutal.

705
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: Nachel's classic Dela there zeroing and on the Miserable days. Yeah,

706
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: I think you're done. Yeah, classic, mate, Neil. You've made

707
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: it pretty clear. I guess in the book about what

708
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: you're some of your toughest days in the in the

709
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: black cap have been. But but what about what about

710
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: some of the great moments? What what? What one or

711
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: two or whatever? You know, what comes to mind? Do

712
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: you think ship that was a good day?

713
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 5: It's hard to put a finger on it, because there's

714
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 5: so many moments in your whole career that it's so

715
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 5: so hard to single out. But one of the first

716
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 5: I guess this one's when when Trend I think he

717
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 5: took teen wickets to the base and against you know,

718
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 5: West Indies. You know, I barely contribute in that game.

719
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: I didn't really feel to good or ball to her good.

720
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 5: But you know, seeing everyone's face and finally getting your

721
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 5: first Test win and being able to sing the pledge

722
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 5: and doing it out in the middle of the wicket and.

723
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 6: Seeing the smile on everyone's faces.

724
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: It took about teen, I think or eleven tests before

725
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 5: you got your first Test one. Some of the guys

726
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 5: rocking now and then debut at a first Test one

727
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 5: and I don't really understand how hard it was back

728
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 5: in the day. You know, that was a huge relief

729
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 5: in one of the I guess most treasured moments. I

730
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 5: guess in a black cap getting their first Test win

731
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 5: and singing the pledge for the first time, and in

732
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 5: that space around that time, I think going to about

733
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 5: twenty fifteen sixteen, when when people really knew their role

734
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: and stood their role and like I say, you know

735
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 5: the way the team was run. Then the confidence within

736
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: the lads and understanding each other's role and knowing that

737
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 5: whole team first dynamic and buying into it, that whole

738
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: area there when that started was amazing.

739
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 6: It was amazing.

740
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: But it's with the whole team just started. You started

741
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 5: feeling a brotherhood building. You started realizing that your mates

742
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 5: are playing for each other. You felt like you wanted

743
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: to run for a brick wall for Canaan, Bears and

744
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: the guys involved. That there was when, you know, even

745
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 5: on the toughest days of Test crickete, you sat back

746
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 5: and Bears was very much on not getting on too

747
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 5: much of a high or low. And when we lost

748
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: a Test match, you could sit down and have a

749
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: beer and look at each other and the iron shich

750
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: we gave everything, you know, we tried really hard and

751
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 5: no one was pointing fingers. There was no sort of

752
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 5: you know, sort of discussions having behind the doors or

753
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: something like that. It was just an amazing environment to

754
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: be around and be in, and that sort of grew

755
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 5: as it went, and then I think, you know, coming

756
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen eighteen, where there was you know, some

757
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 5: really good things happening with the team, you know, starting

758
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 5: a record which was really proud of home. We started

759
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 5: winning test matches at home and becoming a forced to

760
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 5: reckon with home conditions. There was amazing times as well

761
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 5: to be able to just in the change room and

762
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: know the bloody hard work has been going and beyond

763
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: the scenes of this, it was just that huge I

764
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: guess relief and knowing that you know, you story paying

765
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 5: dividends finding forward. Then I guess the Test Series obviously

766
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: against England, where myself fish throughout. I mean I remember

767
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: looking at the screen on the TV and regular pointed

768
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 5: it out in the change room, you know, thirty something

769
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: on years through three years, I think since we've been

770
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 5: in England in the Test Series and walked out to

771
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 5: better vision, you know, finally sort of got a draw

772
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 5: and warn a series. It was a bloody with great

773
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: night of celebrations made. It was pretty epick night that

774
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: and and that just kept you know, growing and growing,

775
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: and that's I said. It was so many moments and

776
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 5: and and all you guys and uh and you know

777
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 5: in our test history that sort of added to you know,

778
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 5: significant dates with that and yeah, that World Test Championship

779
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 5: Final made.

780
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 6: It's hard to That's that's something that will always stick

781
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 6: with me.

782
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: The guys have just had a bit of a moment themselves.

783
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: Now you have any thoughts on Ada and three nil.

784
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: And three zip meal?

785
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: Did you put any money on there at the TV?

786
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not allowed to beat yet still because I'm

787
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 5: still playing cricket right, Yeah, but if I was a

788
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 5: betting man made.

789
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 6: Chief as I would never guessed that.

790
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: Look, hey, when you get on a plane going to India,

791
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 5: you're excited because you know it's going to be a

792
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: tough challenge. You're excited about the you know, the whole

793
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 5: playing cricket in India, how much they love it and

794
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 5: get beyond the.

795
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 6: Support that everything that goes with it.

796
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 5: But you know, as soon as you get on their plane,

797
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 5: your backskins the wall and it's a it's a bloody

798
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 5: tough place to go and play, mate, for so many reasons.

799
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 5: Obviously history shows no one has done it before for

800
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: them to go up there, you know, bounce back after Slanka.

801
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 6: When not just the first test, within the second teast

802
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 6: and the third test.

803
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 5: That is incredibly hard to go over there and play

804
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 5: and will achieve that, mate, it's bloody art to top that.

805
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 5: It would be a pinnacle of most people's careers. I reckon,

806
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 5: I said last night. I sort of thought maybe, you know,

807
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 5: winning in Australian winning your box and atists probably probably

808
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: could get up there, topping there, but no one has

809
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: done an India made and that's just a phenomenal achievement.

810
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 5: And I'm so stoked for those boys that are on

811
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 5: involved and I know what their changing would have been

812
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 5: like afterwards, and it's it's finally want to be and

813
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 5: now I can tell you that.

814
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 6: But amazing achievement and just brought a bunch of for

815
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 6: the lads.

816
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, great stuff. Well, Neil, how do you feel about

817
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: some quick fire questions? Mate? Is that all right to

818
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: finish off the interview here?

819
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 6: You sure can. I'm bloody horrible with these times.

820
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be fine, do you want to kick us off?

821
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: Pulled forward with the first question.

822
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: Neil, if you weren't a professional cricketer, what would you be?

823
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 6: Oh? Formally one driver? Or I'd love to be an

824
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 6: all black?

825
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh you're nice. Does your wife do your Instagram?

826
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 6: No?

827
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: Mine does?

828
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: What what opposition?

829
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 6: Because sometimes I don't know how to do the bloody?

830
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

831
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it.

832
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: Hey, what one opposition player do you wish could have

833
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: been on your team?

834
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 6: A good question? I have a hushing mammer okay, roll? Yeah?

835
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: Nice?

836
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: Nice worst roommate and why oh.

837
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 5: Jesus too, that's James ni number one, number two. I

838
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: want to say Scott google line.

839
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah nice. What is your weirdest superstition or Rachel?

840
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I wouldn't say it's a superstition of richeal,

841
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: But I'm I've got O C D. And I'm very

842
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: neat and clean and tidy, which none would sort of

843
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: pick from me, but annoy the living crapit on my teammates.

844
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 5: My stuff will be clean and in a nice place

845
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: and between Selvy Bolts and Blundle. They always used to

846
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: just go muck around and I'll get back in the

847
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 5: change room, mate, and I should just be everywhere. And

848
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 5: I think it's funny, but yeah, it's it's not a superstition,

849
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 5: but I just like it.

850
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 6: And yeah, they probably the worst thing about me.

851
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: Nice, easy one. Who was your favorite umpire?

852
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 5: Oh gonna, it's got to be Richard Kilber is good. Yeah,

853
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 5: Richard Kilber was very nice. I enjoyed joy having him

854
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 5: in the other end.

855
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 6: Could laugh.

856
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 4: Meal when you're cooking at home my go to meal.

857
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, anything in a barbecue, mate, steak and bere

858
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 5: and yeah, whatever I can cook in the.

859
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 6: Barbecue, beautiful.

860
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: The most disorganized person you've ever played alongside got to

861
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: be a niche again, wouldn't it?

862
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 6: No?

863
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 5: Bj Watling, okay, made his gloves are not number They

864
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 5: all in a mess, like's got to be twelve and

865
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 5: for you, yeah, he has some gloves and you can't

866
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 5: get a pee together.

867
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 6: It's just all over the place being miss individual.

868
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: But what's the strangest thing you've ever had to autograph?

869
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: This isn't a family show, so you can say whatever

870
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: you want.

871
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 6: Gosh, there's been a few things. There's a blow up

872
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 6: doll here, undies and a bank card right.

873
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 4: Sorry, what's Cricket's most annoying rule.

874
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: Can't buy more pounces enough.

875
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: Where is your black cap right now?

876
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: Uh?

877
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 6: Great question. It's in the bag. I've got this little.

878
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: Bag that I put all the caps from every team

879
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 5: that I've played for and represented, so Tigo and obviously

880
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 5: Normal Districts and and the Black Caps. It's my kit

881
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 5: bag and I've taken this out and it's just sitting

882
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 5: on top with my Black CAP's helmet, which has now

883
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 5: been taken out of my bag in this little trophy

884
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 5: campne thing. I've gone the garage and I haven't touched

885
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 5: it since the last day since retirement, and it's due

886
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 5: to get touched now because.

887
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 6: I've got to get my indie cap out of it.

888
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 3: So for this week's game, who is the best sledger

889
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: you've come across from World Cricket?

890
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 6: Wow?

891
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: Good question.

892
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a pinpoint one, but Matthew simply was outstanding.

893
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 5: I had a lot of battles of Skippy and he

894
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 5: was bloody funny mate. I walked out one day onto

895
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: McLean Park playing a game and I had a muffin

896
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 5: from Tea and I put it on a lengthh Andy

897
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: Whens way too full for you, and he was just

898
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: always starting some bant or some sledge or something, and

899
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 5: there was always a heated battle of myself. And so

900
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: I want to say, skippy Matthewson clears up there, and yeah,

901
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 5: Joe Root wasn't far behind with a few funny comments.

902
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 5: You were there and Aby Devilliers and Graham Smith was

903
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 5: giving me a mouthful and my first teamitch against Sinapia.

904
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's your most embarrassing moment?

905
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 6: I played a game in South Africa. I went quite

906
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 6: hardy opposition and I walked out to bats and the

907
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 6: guy kept asking me how's your pants feeling? And I

908
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 6: was like, I want to think where this is going.

909
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 5: And I just didn't bite back and sort of left

910
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: and he kept going, keep going and goes, mate, can

911
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 5: you can can you get better them in that?

912
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 6: Like surely?

913
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: After you even think I've been dishing out to you?

914
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 5: What the hell are you talking about? Mate, I've body pants?

915
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 5: Like surely, and he goes, how's your pants feeling? I

916
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: was like fine, mate, He goes, well they're on the

917
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 5: wrong way around, mate, And this went on for a

918
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 5: good half an hour, and yeah, I felt like an

919
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 5: episoute idiot after that, to be honest, and I had

920
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: to bet my my pants the other way around, trying

921
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: to think you don't get out now, and I don't

922
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 5: get out.

923
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: And finally, Neil, the last book you read be all out,

924
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: woonn't it?

925
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 6: No?

926
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: I can never remember the titles of the books I'm reading.

927
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 6: I'm a shocker, honey, funny enough, I'm horrible. I do

928
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 6: not read a lot of books, and.

929
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 5: I'm a shocker when it comes to reading. I'm not

930
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 5: the best reading myself, so I never thought I would

931
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 5: write a book myself. But I actually read The Three Quicks,

932
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 5: which was myself and a book there Trivia. I'll get it, honestly,

933
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 5: that's kind of the last book I'll read on this.

934
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: I feel it was the book I.

935
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 6: Recently read, and for some reason I can't remember now,

936
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 6: but yeah, good one. I don't actually read a lot

937
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 6: of books, which is yeah, it comes to nice surprise.

938
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: Well, Neil Wagner, you're an absolute legend, mate. You were

939
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: hugely and are still hugely loved by the fans out there. Mate,

940
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: what a career to be proud of. And Mate, all

941
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: the best with your book. I'm sure it's going to

942
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: go great guns and hopefully, hopefully we still see you

943
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: around about the place.

944
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 6: No, definitely, mate, I'm still playing cricket. I'm getting on

945
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 6: the older side now.

946
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 5: I don't know how long I've got left, but I'm

947
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 5: enjoying playing for and D and who knows, hopefully get

948
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 5: stuck into their black chess game someone way to come

949
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 5: from the near future. But you know, thank you very

950
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 5: much for having me.

951
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the b YC. And Jason Howitz Bealves

952
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: have hit it off to a meeting and it's poor

953
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: for a Dylan Cleaver here, Dylan Neil Wagner, what a

954
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: good bugger. And I had a question for you. Actually

955
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: he mentioned working with the writer of the book.

956
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 3: Was that you No, No, it wasn't. Actually I did

957
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: write about Neil Wagner and the best selling modern New

958
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: Zealand cricket Greats. But no, I believe it was a

959
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: very talented writer named James Borrowdale, who I think And

960
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll be let know if I get this wrong,

961
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure he is of South African heritage

962
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: as well.

963
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: Oh good stuff. Well, I mean, I'm sure you couldn't

964
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: tell during the interview, but I haven't read the book,

965
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: but I'm very keen to get my hands on forty bucks,

966
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: so get stuck into it.

967
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 6: Now.

968
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: It's a decent read, and we didn't sort of broach it.

969
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: But some of the stuff around him growing up in

970
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: Pretoria and relatively straightened circumstances was really interesting as well,

971
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: and kind of he needed a few things to fall

972
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 3: his way to get into the the right school, to

973
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: get noticed by the right people. But in the end,

974
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't quite enough. He struggled to I mean,

975
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: he made it into that South African first class system,

976
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: but for various reasons, his ceiling was relatively low in there.

977
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: So I think he made the great call to come

978
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: to this fear land of ours.

979
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: We should talk about the black Cats or so Sri Lanka,

980
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: But I just wanted to say one thing. I was

981
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 4: surprised that didn't come out. Any of his answers around

982
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 4: his favorite cricketers and all that kind of stuff was

983
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 4: Fath Dupless, who I know he was very close to

984
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 4: when he was growing up. I think they were schoolmates

985
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: and he used to go to the Duplesses for cricket

986
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: training and all of that kind of stuff. But keep

987
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: that one under his hat today. Dylan Blackcats well, you

988
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 4: must be excited. What a great way to celebrate a

989
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: magnificent test victure in India. Then heading to Sri Lanka

990
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 4: from some t twenties and one day is it? There's

991
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: five matches over there, starting on Sunday night, actually Sunday

992
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 4: morning at two thirty am. I think it is doublehead

993
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 4: of Sunday and Monday two thirty am starts and then

994
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 4: the first one day or is at ten pm on

995
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: Wednesday night. Yeah, how do you feel about this one, Dylan?

996
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: I'm not sitting there Lar.

997
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm not really that interested in the tea twenties. I mean,

998
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: I'll watch them because it's what I do. But you

999
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: know what as a kind of a.

1000
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: Well, what do you call that thing?

1001
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: What's that little drink you have in France when you

1002
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: finished your main meal? Is it a pestif pestis or

1003
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: a pair of tief is beforehand? And then yeah, I

1004
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: think it's you have something to close the stomach afterwards,

1005
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: a brandy or something like that. Yeah, the one days

1006
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: we'll do it for me? Is she? For the simple

1007
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 3: reason is there's like I don't really care about the results.

1008
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: Well I say that now, but I'm really intrigued to

1009
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 3: see a couple of these guys that have been waiting

1010
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: for opportunities, Zach Fuchs or Fuchs. Is that how you

1011
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: say that, Fuchs or folks or I.

1012
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: Think it's folks.

1013
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 3: Looking forward to watching him player looking forward to watching

1014
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: Tim Robinson, Mitch Hay, Nathan Smith. Like there's a real

1015
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: sprinkling of under thirties in there, which is not that

1016
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 3: common in New Zealand international cricket scene at the moment.

1017
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm excited enough. What about you?

1018
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, look, I'm excited to see how Nathan Smith goes.

1019
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 4: You mentioned him and Mitch Hay, then keeper batsman from Canterbury.

1020
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 4: I think the other debutante that's in there. I think

1021
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: Smith was a Domestic Player of the Year last year

1022
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 4: and I think Hay was Canterbury's Player of the Year

1023
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: and nice to see those guys have a crack and

1024
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: get stuck in. I think Smith's in particular is really

1025
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 4: banging on the door. And you would imagine, I don't

1026
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 4: know that who would be the next wicket keeper up

1027
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 4: if Blundle was injured in the Test patch. I was

1028
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: just trying to work that out of my head on

1029
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 4: the fly.

1030
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: I think the vindicated that Mitch Hay is seen as

1031
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: a red bull option was perhaps Daine Cleaver, who's over

1032
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: time has got the best record of them. I think

1033
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 3: you've seen more a white ball keeper at the stage

1034
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: of his career, and you know he's plus thirty now

1035
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: as well.

1036
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: He might be.

1037
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: He might have missed his.

1038
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 4: Y, missed the bus. Also, I always look forward to

1039
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 4: seeing Lockie Ferguson and he'll be leading that attack with

1040
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: Jacob Duffy, the two old dogs, and then yeah, just

1041
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: say folks and Smith and Clarkson, I guess will be

1042
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 4: the main, the main, the main event on that front.

1043
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 4: Lots of guys aren't available for this series. Blundle Conway

1044
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 4: later Mitchell O'Rourke sow the ravender Williamson of course, and

1045
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 4: then add an a shock out with the back injury.

1046
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 4: Ben says is still injured in Cole Jamison, I think's

1047
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 4: out till kind of March next year at the earliest.

1048
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a bit of a ragtag bunch.

1049
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess we'll know we've already talked about

1050
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: him on this podcast at length. But I'm also looking

1051
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: forward to you you go through that squad there and

1052
00:51:53,480 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 3: I'll just quickly run through it sent Nichols, Young, Robinson, Braceball, Chapman, Clarkson, Folks, Foxcrift, Phillips, Ferguson,

1053
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 3: Duffy Hay and Nathan Smith. You know, Will Young is

1054
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: almost like the senior player in there now, and he's

1055
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: coming off the first kind of I guess, coming of

1056
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: age moment in his test cricket. I'd be interested to

1057
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: see if he just is a little bit more puffed

1058
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: out at the crease if you if you know what

1059
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you can tell when a batsman feels like

1060
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: he might have made it. He knows that he belongs,

1061
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: He knows that that's a far better way of putting it.

1062
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: He now knows he belongs and can play at this level.

1063
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: And I just like to see if that transfers to

1064
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: the other formats and just as general countenance on the

1065
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: field hard to measure obviously countenance.

1066
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 6: But.

1067
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see, We'll see how he goes. I feel

1068
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: like the New Zealanders have got something to prove after

1069
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 4: the shoddiness of the of the Test matches. As well.

1070
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: Other good news, I guess the world champion white ferns

1071
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 4: are rampaging their way around New Zealand, including to Havelock North,

1072
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 4: I know, and there are national tour they swung by

1073
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: Tarwa College and Tawa Intermediate here in Wellington over the

1074
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: recent days of Absolute Powerhouse under the tutelage of Robbie Kerr,

1075
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 4: of course, absolute magnet for woman's cricket talent over the

1076
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 4: over the years. Warm fuzzies around this one DC.

1077
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's well, it's not a shame, It's

1078
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: never a shame, but it almost feels like they didn't

1079
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: get a long enough celebration before events moved to Benglaruho

1080
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: and Pune and Mumbai. But yeah, we shouldn't forget that.

1081
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't long ago that they just pulled one out

1082
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: of the fire and it was brilliant And look, I

1083
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 3: hope they get all the kudos that's coming their way,

1084
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: and I hope, as we've mentioned before, I hope it

1085
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 3: actually translates into real gains for women's cricket around the country,

1086
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: whether it be coverage, whether it be particip participation numbers

1087
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: or just general vibe of the thing. Will be fantastic.

1088
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 3: But have some of the players gone on to the WBBL,

1089
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: which is in full swing right now. I was doing

1090
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: quick check of scorecards. I haven't seen much yet.

1091
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if they have made it over now.

1092
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: Maybe obviously Ameliacur and Sophie Devine and the like, they've

1093
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 4: certainly been on tour, but whether they're doing the whole

1094
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 4: shooting box, I'm not quite sure. So maybe you might

1095
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 4: find that they go their separate ways over the next

1096
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: few days. The other thing that's coming out on the

1097
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 4: women's cricket front is the Future Tours program, effectively for

1098
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 4: in the scheduling for the women's cricket and there was

1099
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 4: a bit of speculation leading in and then leading out

1100
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: of that announcement. The likes of Susie Bates and Sophie

1101
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 4: Divine merely occurre obviously really gagging to be playing some

1102
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 4: test cricket, but the economics, from the sound of it,

1103
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 4: just did not stack up for New Zealand cricket. So

1104
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: it looks like that is not going to be a thing.

1105
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if it evid will I mean, it

1106
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: feels like something that in Yeah, Australia and England will

1107
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 3: do and no one else will. I mean, have South

1108
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 3: Africa played a Test? Did they play one recently? I

1109
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: think they may have actually, yeah.

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00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: Maybe, And I think the West Indies have got a

1111
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 4: couple of test matches scheduled in this in this next

1112
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 4: set as well, and certainly England are going to be

1113
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 4: playing Westernies, India, Australian South Africa and test matches. So okay, yeah,

1114
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: we seem like a bit of an odd one out

1115
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 4: in terms of not being able to do that. But

1116
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 4: economics I think plays a big part there obviously.

1117
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that, to

1118
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: be honest, I don't know if I can quite work

1119
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: up the requisite outrage for it, because yeah, I like

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Speaker 3: the I like the way woman's cricket is trending in

1121
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: the T twenties and ODI's and the way it's being played.

1122
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: Would I be gagging for a woman's test match? I

1123
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: mean it's not up to me. Oh yes, but you know,

1124
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: probably not.

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Speaker 4: And you've got to say when you I don't know

1126
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 4: if you've had a good look at it yet, but

1127
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 4: you know that when you look at that FTP cycle,

1128
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 4: there's a very quite a clinical calendar, unlike the men's game,

1129
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 4: quite a clinical calendar with carve outs for the major

1130
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 4: T twenty competitions. Obviously, the T twenty World Cup every

1131
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 4: couple of years, the fifty over World Cup every four years.

1132
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: It's actually pretty damn organized compared to that absolute smagas

1133
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 4: board Shenanigans that is the men's schedule. Now obviously that's

1134
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: economics as well, but yeah, it looks a hell of

1135
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: a lot more organized that from a from A for

1136
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 4: the woman. But anyway, on we go.

1137
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: That clinically. Can I mention something that's maybe not as

1138
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 3: clinically organized as the women's FTP, and that is Auckland

1139
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: Crickets scheduling. So press release dropped in into my inbox

1140
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 3: this morning and it's we've already broached this topic, but

1141
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 3: it was there were a couple of Auckland dates in

1142
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: the Super Smash the Dream of eleven Supersmash that were TBC,

1143
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: and the press release reads, please note the venues for

1144
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 3: Auckland's for Dream eleven super Smash games on January thirteen

1145
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 3: and fifteen, initially slated for Eden Park before being compromised

1146
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: by a music concert, have been agreed to below and

1147
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: they're going to Seddon Park and McClain Park. Napier. I

1148
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: can confirm that neither Seddon Park, Hamilton nor mcclaim Park

1149
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: Napier are in fact in Auckland. And I also, I mean,

1150
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: did you detect a kind of sneering irritability from New

1151
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: Zealand Cricket in that press release pool?

1152
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 4: Yes, a little bit. And I mean the other thing

1153
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 4: is that I think it's the Luke isn't it the

1154
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: Luke Combs concert. I don't even like that big country

1155
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 4: and Western singer guy. And so I mean tickets on

1156
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 4: that have been literally to the Eaton Park concert on

1157
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 4: that day have been signed, sealed, delivered, sold, months and

1158
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 4: months and months ago, so it shouldn't really be a surprise,

1159
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 4: but yet the announcement is so so late. So yeah,

1160
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 4: Shamble's absolute chambers.

1161
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: And this has wider implications obviously, and that and Scott

1162
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: Weinding's got a bit of grief for this when he

1163
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: came out and back to Eden Park is the future

1164
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: home of New Zealand cricket or cricket in Auckland, International

1165
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 3: cricket in Auckland. And I know exactly why he had

1166
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: to do it. I mean, you want to host cricket

1167
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 3: in the biggest city in the country and if there

1168
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 3: are no other options, you back the option. That's potentially available.

1169
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 3: But eden Park, on the other hand, have made it

1170
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: very very clear that they see their summer future in

1171
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: the concert game. Stadiums for music. Concerts need huge leaden

1172
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: times to prepare them and get them ready. Cricket is

1173
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: just going to be forced to the margins in Auckland

1174
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: unless they get a bespoke venue. I mean, I'm banging

1175
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 3: my head against the brick wall here. Eden Park is

1176
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: not the future for cricket in Auckland. It's a diabolical

1177
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 3: set of affairs which was just in this just kind

1178
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: of reinforced it.

1179
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're turning into the full the equivalent of Pakistan

1180
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 4: and international cricket and days gone by, recent days gone by. Yeah,

1181
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 4: not not great, not great. But I want to keep

1182
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: an eye on too, because, as you say, yeah, the

1183
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 4: sneering irritability, they cannot continue. You wouldn't. You wouldn't assume, Hey, Dylan,

1184
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 4: have you got a who am I? This week?

1185
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 6: I have?

1186
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 4: It's Dylan Cleavers. Who am I.

1187
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 5: You were?

1188
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: Last week? A couple of sharp eyed listeners or sharp

1189
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: aired listeners detected correctly that who am I was Mark Burgess,

1190
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: the blue eyed Aucan grammar schoolboy, and they were Michael

1191
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: Seth and Patrick Peterson are there, Michaels. I made a

1192
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 3: reference to him being usurped by another blue eyed Ucan

1193
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: grammar boy, and he thought that I was reference seeing

1194
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: Martin Crow, but in fact I was referencing another one,

1195
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: which was Jeffrey Phillip Howerth who took over the captaincy

1196
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: from Mark Burgess and kind of led the first Golden

1197
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: era of New Zealand cricket ready through his urbane captaincy.

1198
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: Mark Burgess was a gun fielder too, right. I remember

1199
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 4: my dad talking about Mark Burgess and the covers, the

1200
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 4: young fellow, and I didn't quite know who he meant,

1201
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: but yeah, I worked I did work that out, and

1202
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 4: didn't he. I think he also worked at Britain Cricket

1203
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 4: Cricket bat sales and sports goods and all of that,

1204
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 4: which was obviously I think that was where Phil Horn

1205
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 4: ended up as well. But after after subsequently, ye man

1206
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 4: Phil Horn? Yeah, okay, cool, we have you got a

1207
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: new Have you got another? Who am I for us?

1208
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 4: This week?

1209
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: Certainly have? And I think I've made the clues a

1210
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: little bit harder, a little bit more cryptic this time around.

1211
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: But I guess the listeners will tell me if that's

1212
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: the case.

1213
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: Who am I?

1214
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 3: Is the case with a lot of New Zealand cricketers.

1215
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: My wisdom career summary comes with the classic did his

1216
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: talent no justice? Line, But that's not strictly true. While

1217
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: that might have described the majority of my seventy international matches,

1218
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: I found enormous comfort in the middle of a foreign field,

1219
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: specifically one patch of grass surrounded by streets like Kennington

1220
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: av Surrey Road and Lancashire Road. Very strange. I'm being

1221
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: a little oblique here, which is the opposite of my

1222
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: batting that was very direct. I could have been a

1223
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: great T twenty I player, although I never played one.

1224
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 3: Very strange. Although I'm a wisty, my career revival occurred

1225
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: while I was a banker in Europe's financial capital. Then

1226
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 3: I became a wisty of sorts. Again, very strange. All

1227
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 3: good things must come to an end. Mine did at

1228
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 3: Milton Keynes, of all places. Very strange. Who the hell

1229
01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: am I?

1230
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 4: Do you have any clues for intriguing? No, I don't.

1231
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 6: I feel.

1232
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: Oh it's really got my brain wearing mate, this one.

1233
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 4: This one, yeah, No, this is I'm gonna have to

1234
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 4: wrap the memory banks and get the get the men

1235
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 4: and white out. I think for this one, I've got

1236
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 4: one of those big exhibition copies as big as a

1237
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 4: table of men in white that we got loan to

1238
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 4: us from the tab and I'm the acc custodian of

1239
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 4: that book and it is an absolute beast. So I'll

1240
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 4: have a look and see what I can find intriguing clues. Hey,

1241
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 4: before we go, I do have a violence corner, poor

1242
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 4: forwards cricket violence corner, yes, And this week great news

1243
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: tip following terrible news, A man has been arrested following

1244
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 4: a burglary at the home of England cricket captain Ben Stokes.

1245
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 4: Stokes was in Pakistan for the recent Test series and

1246
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 4: his wife and two children rapped the property in Castle Eden,

1247
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 4: County Durham, when a masked, gang broken two year old

1248
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 4: man from North Yorkshire was arrested overnight on suspicion of

1249
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 4: burglary and he has been released on bail. Stak Stokes

1250
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 4: said his family did not come to any physical harm,

1251
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 4: but a number of sentimental items were taken, including the

1252
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 4: medal for his obe, which he received in twenty twenty

1253
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 4: for helping England draw the World Cup the year before.

1254
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 4: He posted pictures of the missing items on social media,

1255
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 4: which also included three necklaces, a ring and a designer bag. Yes,

1256
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 4: well I'm not saying that he deserved it, but yeah,

1257
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 4: good news for him. But what a thing to steal

1258
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 4: the OBA awarded after the atrocious crackle.

1259
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real thing in England, isn't it. It

1260
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 3: happens often to football players that when they go away

1261
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: to play in Europe their houses get burgled by otunistic

1262
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: masked robbers.

1263
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1264
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 4: Grim, Hey, DC, we've crept on for long enough today,

1265
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 4: thanks to everybody for listening. If you've got a short epistle,

1266
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 4: flick at our way b YC at Basebagade dot cod

1267
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 4: on NZ will slide into their dms on the ACC

1268
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 4: or the base Brigade on Instagram or Facebook and we

1269
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 4: will copy and paste that into our WhatsApp group and

1270
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 4: folded into our our episode next week. But in the meantime, DC,

1271
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 4: you have a great week, and we hope Jason's bowls

1272
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 4: are okay. And I'll tell you what, no matter what

1273
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 4: happens in Sri Lanka, we probably won't be coming in

1274
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 4: as hot and excited as we did. Today because this

1275
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 4: may be, we may be in the aftermath of the

1276
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 4: greatest ever performance by a New Zealand cricket team and

1277
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 4: the greatest Fortnite in BYC history.