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Speaker 1: In the Brady are UK correspondents with us ay in death.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Heather, I'm loving the language. Who wouldn't get away

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Speaker 2: with that?

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Speaker 1: Over here we get away with a lot worse. You

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Speaker 1: should go away and google New Zealand C word column

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Speaker 1: and see what happened a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's wild over here in the Intipodes. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a reason they seemed to us away from the Motherland

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Speaker 1: because they well can't handle this by Hey, tell me

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Speaker 1: what you think of this EU deal. As it a win?

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Speaker 2: I think it is. I think it's very good news.

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Speaker 2: And look for me, I think it's the end of

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Speaker 2: Little Britain. That experiment is dead. It has not worked.

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Speaker 2: The people we had running around saying that this little

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Speaker 2: island in a world that is so globally connected for

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Speaker 2: trade because of its history and heritage, that one little

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Speaker 2: island could stand alone against the world. There aren't too

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Speaker 2: many people nowadays who put their hands up to saying

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Speaker 2: that they voted for Brexit. It has been an unmitigated

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Speaker 2: catastrophe economically, financially and on a human level for every

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Speaker 2: person in the UK with a British passport. So look,

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Speaker 2: Starmer is beginning the process of Britain rejoining the European Union.

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Speaker 2: I confidently predict within a decade Britain will be back

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Speaker 2: in Europe and this reset is badly needed. He's doing

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Speaker 2: deal after deal after deal. We saw India last week,

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Speaker 2: the United States and now this EU deal. And I

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Speaker 2: think for anyone who has any doubts, once they get

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Speaker 2: on a plane and land in Europe this summer on

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Speaker 2: their summer holidays and they're using the EU eGates and

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Speaker 2: speeding through border control, I think that is a win

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Speaker 2: for everyone, because it's just intolerable at the moment for

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Speaker 2: people with UK passports.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about the situation with Gary Lineker,

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Speaker 1: because I imagine you're a fan, being a football man.

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Speaker 2: I count him as a friend. I am a fan

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Speaker 2: of his work and I think he has done the

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Speaker 2: right thing. He has spoken out. Look, I make no

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Speaker 2: bones about the fact that you know, he says that

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Speaker 2: he didn't see the rat emoji on what he put

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Speaker 2: on Instagram last week. That's for other people to believe

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Speaker 2: him or judge. All I see is a very kind, compassionate,

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Speaker 2: decent man raising his voice and speaking out at a

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Speaker 2: time when we've seen fifty five thousand women and children

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Speaker 2: bomb to bits. Two point four million people in Gaza

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Speaker 2: are being starved and a risk of famine right now,

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Speaker 2: nobody can defend what Israel is doing. Yes, Israel has

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Speaker 2: a right to defend itself. Yes, what happened on October

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Speaker 2: the seventh was appalling. But this has gone on far,

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Speaker 2: far too long. And Gary Lineker standing up and speaking out.

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Speaker 2: I have no problem of what he has said. He'll

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Speaker 2: be a huge loss for the BBC. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: history will judge people who have said nothing. And just

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Speaker 2: for the record, Heather, I've run two marathons this year

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Speaker 2: and I've run every kilometer with the Palestinian flag and

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Speaker 2: I will keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is not so much and I

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Speaker 1: take your point, and the problem is not so much

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Speaker 1: that he spoke out about this. It's actually I mean,

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Speaker 1: if this was just the one thing that he'd done,

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Speaker 1: he might have escalped the sanction. But he's I felt

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Speaker 1: that he's head to have an opinion on a lot

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Speaker 1: of things, isn't he?

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Speaker 2: Yes, And look, an awful lot of people do have

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Speaker 2: opinions on a lot of things, and they get given

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Speaker 2: radio programs like yours and others and my TV show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because it needs that's literally their job. But

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Speaker 1: he's the football guy. That's the problem, isn't it. He is.

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Speaker 2: But he's a football guy with a social conscience. And look,

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Speaker 2: if they want robots, if they want AI presenters, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the way things will go in the future. But

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Speaker 2: I think he's a big, big loss.

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Speaker 1: But tell me, because you'll know the detail here. I've

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Speaker 1: been told that the problem here is actually that it's

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Speaker 1: a breach of his contract because he signed a contract

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Speaker 1: that said he was going to stop doing the social

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Speaker 1: media stuff and then he did it again.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so look, the director general, what I would say

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Speaker 2: to him is, never mind about people signing social media

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Speaker 2: contracts and you can't tweet this and you can't say that.

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Speaker 2: Hugh Edwards, who left the BBC in utter disgrace, still

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Speaker 2: owes them four hundred thousand dollars in wages that they

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Speaker 2: paid him after he was arrested for having child porn

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Speaker 2: on a telephone. So you know, the BBC just gets

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Speaker 2: itself in all sorts of nuts. Out of all the

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Speaker 2: people who've left the BBC, Gary Lineker can leave it

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Speaker 2: with his head held high. He is a phenomenal human being.

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Speaker 2: Last time I bumped into him the airport a few

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Speaker 2: months ago, he was on his way to Rome to

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Speaker 2: receive an International Humanitarian Award. That's what they give him

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Speaker 2: in Italy. In England they give him abuse.

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Speaker 1: It's always good to talk to you. I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: perspective on things. It's in the Brady Our UK Correspondent.

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